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Debut in the syrian sky

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The pilots of the far aviation excellent professional skills


The long-range aviation aircraft of the VKS of Russia struck the first blows at the positions of the Islamic State militants in Syria 18 in November in response to the terrorist attack aboard the Kogalymavia A321 passenger airliner that killed 224 people.

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported to Vladimir Putin: “Today, from 5.00 to 5.30 Moscow time 12, long-range Tu-22MZ bombers struck targets of the ISIL terrorist organization in the provinces of Raqca and Dair Al-Zor. From 9.00 to 9.40, the strategic missile carriers Tu-160 and Tu-95MS launched 34 air-launched cruise missiles against militant targets in the provinces of Aleppo and Idlib. ”

According to reports, in addition to the mentioned twelve Tu-22М3 long-range bombers, six more strategic missile-carrying Tu-95MS and five Tu-160 took part in the first strike.

Despite the fact that, to date, Russian officials have not reported the cessation of Retaliation, in fact, shortly before the death of the Su-24М front bomber shot down by the Turkish F-16 fighter, Russian strategic and long-range bombers stopped appearing in the sky over Syria.

Planning

According to the newspaper Military Industrial Courier, the planning for the use of long-range aviation for strikes against ISIL began long before Operation Retribution announced by the Russian president. In particular, the necessary documents, as well as various calculations were not only ready, but also communicated to the commanders of aviation units before the start of the first air strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces from Khmeimim airfield. The strategic Tu-95MS and Tu-160 strategic air refueling systems were to operate directly from the Engels airbase in the Saratov region, where they are based, and for Tu-22М3 unable to receive fuel during the flight, it was planned to relocate to Mozdok airfield, where material and technical equipment and ammunition were stored in advance for them.

There are data on the conduct of the exercises of the Il-78 tanker aircraft, which are part of long-range aviation, when not only the simultaneous refueling of several vehicles in the air, but also the possible actions of crews and operators of air tankers at night were worked out.

Sharp questions of the use of long-range and strategic bombers remained as their routes (which is especially important for the Tu-22М3), and possible schemes for the passage of cruise missiles. The routes passed through the territory of Iran and were to be coordinated with the military-political leadership of this country.

According to the Military-Industrial Courier, Tehran not only quickly delivered a principle good, but also allowed launches of air-launched cruise missiles from its territory, although the Russian command primarily considered the waters of the Caspian Sea for these purposes.

It is not quite clear why for almost a month and a half the DA bombers of the Russian Aerospace Forces did not strike the militants in Syria, although everything was ready for that. It is possible that the military-political leadership planned to use expensive aviation complexes and modern high-precision cruise missiles against the facilities of the mining complex, which are under the control of the militants of the Islamic State banned in Russia.

In the course of the airstrikes that began on November 12, the oil sector of the militants really became the main target of the Russian bombers, but the militants ’command posts, their positions, ammunition stores, etc., also hit the target list for the Tu-18 and Tu-22MS bombs. P.

Means of destruction and targets

Long-range bombers Tu-22М3 acted primarily against the so-called area targets. In particular, official video records with the results of the defeat of IG objects by the Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft seen by the Ministry of Defense show how “Backfires” bombed the oil refinery with a volley bomb.

Debut in the syrian sky


The Tu-22М3 ammunition on each sortie consisted of twelve OFAB 250-270 conventional free-fall high-explosive bombs, which, according to some experts, looks somewhat archaic. But as the officer of the HKS of Russia explained to the Military Industrial Courier, “Backfires” were recruited for action in Syria, during which specialized computing subsystems SVP-24-22 developed by Hefest and T were installed on them. The work was somewhat complicated by the high flight weight of the “Backfires”, caused by the large amount of fuel required for the return flight to Mozdok without refueling. Tu-22М3 were forced to carry out bombing from direct flight without performing maneuvers that increase the accuracy of strikes.

However, according to the interlocutor of the "MIC" from the Russian Aerospace Forces, the accuracy of the hit corresponded to the declared characteristics, and minor deviations were compensated for by the number of aviation weapons and their power.

Judging by the video recordings “from the other side”, which recorded both the bomb strikes themselves and their results, OFAB, of course, did not become highly accurate. weapons, but we can agree with the representative of the Russian Aerospace Forces of Russia: the accuracy of long-range bombers' volley, especially for area targets, has increased many times. And if in August 2008 of the year Tu-22М3, dropping tons of bombs, could not paralyze the work of the Georgian airfield Kopitnari, now one or two “Backfires” easily cope with such goals as oil refineries.

According to preliminary data, the Tu-22М3 carried out about 100 combat missions and dropped at least ISNL 1100 bombs on ISIL militants.

Retaliation attacks were the debut of the newest X-101 cruise missiles adopted by the Russian VKS several years ago. Before 18 in November of this year, some experts stated that the “one hundred and first” is still being tested and it is not known when they will add to the arsenal of the Russian Aerospace Forces. As it became known to the “Military Industrial Courier”, the latest ALCMs are actively being delivered to long-range aviation bases, in addition, work is underway on the possible redirection of the missile in the air after launch.

True, the X-101 debut was somewhat overshadowed by videotapes and photographs, where one can clearly see how one of the missiles falls to the ground, while it is not clear whether the equipment failed or the ALCM still managed to hit the target.

According to one of the versions, the latest missiles are equipped with certain detachable maneuvering warheads designed to overcome modern air defense systems. However, none of the interlocutors of the newspaper “Military-Industrial Courier” who are familiar with the situation, did not confirm, although he did not deny the existence of such blocks on X-101. According to a VKS specialist of Russia who is familiar with modern Russian TSA, combat units can be installed on cruise missiles, after which the missile continues to fly.

A total of Tu-160 bombers, which carried out at least 12 sorties, launched around the newest cruise missiles 50.

The weapons of honored veterans - strategic missile-carriers Tu-95MS were developed on the basis of X-55 ALCM X-555, put into service in the middle of 2000-s. It is believed that the "five hundred and fifty-fifth" is only a non-nuclear version of the old X-55. But according to the representative of the VKS of Russia, the new rocket is distinguished not only by a conventional warhead, but also by a slightly increased flight range, as well as a high-precision guidance system. In addition, the rocket design itself has undergone significant changes.

It should be noted that the X-555 launched and more modern Tu-160. According to reports, during the four flights, Black Jacks fired at least five hundred fifty-five 15.

Yet the big question remains the reliability of the Russian air-launched cruise missiles, both the newest X-101 and the older X-555. According to one of the interlocutors, despite the presence of some technical problems, everything went smoothly.

Routes and launch areas


Official representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Russia in their speeches about the progress of Operation Retribution in every possible way evaded the question of which regions cruise missiles were launched from. The analysis of official photos and videos provided by the military, clearly indicates that the launches were carried out from the territory of Iran. In particular, the F-14 and F-4 of the Iranian Air Force escorted F-XNUMX and F-XNUMX during the sorties of the Russian "strategists".

The Russian command on the first day of retaliation to escort the Tu-160 and Tu-22М3 involved the Su-27СМ3 fighters, as well as four Su-30CM fighters from the special-purpose aviation brigade based at Hamim airfield. Later, only the Backfires went with the escort, most likely due to the fact that they were the only ones directly entering the airspace of Syria.

Quite unexpected was the combat mission of the Tu-160 from the Olenya airfield in the Murmansk region, during which strategic missile carriers did not pass over the territory of the Russian Federation, but actually rounded Europe from the western part, flying, in particular, near England.

Refueling in the air, including at night, has become an indispensable element of long-range combat sorties. According to some data, at night, the work of the operators of the Il-78 aircraft, responsible for the docking of the refueling hose with refueled aircraft, was sometimes complicated by powerful headlights installed on the Tu-160 receiving device and designed to facilitate the work of the bomber crew when docked with the air tanker.

According to our information, the intensity of work during retaliation (several dozen sorties) is one of the highest since the beginning of 90's. True, it should be noted that the Il-78 transferred fuel not only to long-range aircraft and fighters accompanying them, but also Su-34, which had been used as reinforcement from the territory of Russia, which had been used as reinforcement for the front bomber.

The experience of “Retribution”, as one of the interlocutors of “MIC” said, showed that the Russian Aerospace Forces have a great need for long-range refueling aircraft with high fuel capacity, which are currently being rebuilt in Voronezh VASO from Il-96. The expert also expressed the opinion that now such vehicles are even more necessary than the IL-78М-90 tanker, created on the basis of the military transport IL-76MD-90.

Skeptics contrary


Russian long-range aviation demonstrated not only high combat readiness, but also excellent professional skills. Moreover, despite recent skepticism, the Russian strategic rocket carriers acquired the latest ammunition, and long-range bombers are now capable of hitting targets with uncontrolled free-fall bombs with fairly high accuracy. The fleet of aircraft-tankers copes with the tasks and provides actions not only YES, but also front-line aviation at long ranges.

Russian bombers and missile carriers made about a hundred sorties, spent tons of bombs and dozens of cruise missiles. The ISIS oil infrastructure suffered considerable damage. At the same time, according to videos provided by the Russian Defense Ministry, the work of long-range aviation can only be partially presented, so many questions about the actions of Russian bombers in the skies of Syria are still open.
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  1. Platonich
    Platonich 5 December 2015 06: 57 New
    13
    Thank God not all of us were crushed by shit! And it is very good that Shoigu is now working together with Putin directly. Clear and high sky, and soft landings without losses!
  2. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 5 December 2015 07: 30 New
    17
    And what about Black Jack? There is a normal name, the White Swan.
    1. Back in USSR
      Back in USSR 5 December 2015 08: 19 New
      -16
      These are different cars.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 5 December 2015 09: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Back in USSR
        These are different cars.

        Tu-160 (factory designation: “product 70”, according to NATO codification: Blackjack - “Blackjack”) is a supersonic strategic bomber with a variable sweep wing, developed at the Tupolev Design Bureau in the 1970s and 1980s.

        It is the largest and most powerful [6] in the history of military aviation supersonic aircraft and aircraft with variable wing geometry, as well as the heaviest military aircraft in the world, which has the highest maximum take-off mass among bombers. It is also the fastest bomber. Among the pilots received the nickname "White Swan".
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    3. gjv
      gjv 5 December 2015 09: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      And what about Black Jack?

      Because Jack turned black with envy and became like Barack. wassat
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 December 2015 10: 39 New
      25
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      And what about Black Jack? There is a normal name, the White Swan.

      All strategic bombers in NATO are indicated by the English letter B.
      Tu-22M ("product 45") according to NATO codification: Backfire - "Response Fire")
      Tu-95 (product "B", according to NATO codification: Bear - “Bear”)
      Tu-160 (factory designation: "product 70", according to NATO codification: Blackjack - Blackjack)
      But I believe that we need to call ALL our equipment as our designers called it, and not Western analysts. Therefore, your remark is absolutely true.
      Sincerely. hi
    5. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 6 December 2015 12: 08 New
      +1
      It should be noted that the X-555 were launched and more modern Tu-160. According to reports Black Jackie during four sorties, no less than 15 “five hundred and fifty-fifths” were launched.
      It also cuts the rumor, like an arena in a decent society.
      Like this one:
      In the future, accompanied only Backfires
      Like shit mouth rinse offered.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 December 2015 07: 34 New
    +4
    Distant strategists worked out many moves and various options for conducting operations close to combat.
    (approximate - this is because there is no opposition to our bombers, missiles and enemy aircraft). This is an indispensable experience in warfare in such conditions. And it’s good that there are no other conditions for us.
    Good luck, winged strategists!
  4. Snail N9
    Snail N9 5 December 2015 08: 00 New
    -26
    Well, yes, "experience" is to bomb "like on a training ground," without counteracting the enemy’s air defense forces. If there is even the slightest anti-aircraft defense, the “experience” of using these “flying sheds” is completely different. There, the events in "0808" are an example of this.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 5 December 2015 08: 45 New
      -16
      Yeah, not at all, but one car has already been shot down ...
    2. FID
      FID 5 December 2015 15: 43 New
      11
      Quote: Snail N9
      these "flying sheds"

      Have you ever been near any of these "sheds", or just sat in the armchairs of the old Boeing?
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 December 2015 16: 24 New
      +9
      Quote: Snail N9
      If there is even the slightest anti-aircraft defense, the “experience” of using these “flying sheds” is completely different

      Dear, these, as you called "sheds", have been protecting the peace of our country for more than half a century. The soul, work and genius of our designers have been invested in these machines. You personally, except for 2 years of service (if you served, which I doubt very much ), is something comparable with the same done to protect their homeland?
      To this day, these machines have no equal in the world. And even mattresses with their money and the Lokhkids and Darpas have not even created anything close to these machines even today.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 5 December 2015 19: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Snail N9
        If there is even the slightest anti-aircraft defense, the “experience” of using these “flying sheds” is completely different. There, the events in "0808" are an example of this.

        First of all, these bombers are designed to strike the KR without entering the enemy’s air defense zones, and bombs are used only if the air defense systems are completely suppressed.
        Secondly, if electronic warfare systems of the Khibin and President-S type are easily installed on the Su-24 and Su-34, then it is probably not a problem to install such systems on strategic bombers, whose equipment is several times more powerful in energy potential. Most likely electronic warfare systems are there, only there is a ban on their inclusion so as not to cause panic ahead of time.
        But in something you are right. Flying accompanied by fighters for strategic aviation is expensive and not always possible. Let's hope that the promising PAK DA will have active defense systems.
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 6 December 2015 16: 43 New
        +1
        I do not agree. Such comments are paid. “Dear” can be called the one who brought the FACTS, that they are “sheds”. He did not bring. Your appeal to "him" is incorrect.
  5. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 5 December 2015 08: 44 New
    +2
    Air darts competition open, host country Syria.
  6. e_krendel
    e_krendel 5 December 2015 08: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Snail N9
    "flying sheds"

    well, pin ... they don’t spare their "sheds", they substitute them for air defense only like that ...
  7. red_october
    red_october 5 December 2015 09: 38 New
    +6
    A total of Tu-160 bombers, which carried out at least 12 sorties, launched around the newest cruise missiles 50.

    Handsome!
    1. gjv
      gjv 5 December 2015 10: 18 New
      +6
      "There is nothing more perfect than a woman, except for a strategic bomber ..." bully
      Somewhat different "car classes", don’t you?

      1. red_october
        red_october 5 December 2015 10: 54 New
        +8
        "There is nothing more perfect than a woman, except for a strategic bomber ..." bully
        Somewhat different "car classes", don’t you?


        But from both breaths))
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      3. aba
        aba 5 December 2015 11: 48 New
        +2
        "There is nothing more perfect than a woman, except for a strategic bomber ..."

        There is! Female pilot in the Tu-160. lol
      4. Bayonet
        Bayonet 6 December 2015 15: 58 New
        +3
        The first girl is the pilot of the Chechen Republic, Larina Evmurzaeva
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 6 December 2015 16: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          The first girl is a pilot

          Etta such a jerk yeah ?? laughing
    2. gjv
      gjv 5 December 2015 10: 18 New
      +5
      "There is nothing more perfect than a woman, except for a strategic bomber ..." bully
      Somewhat different "car classes", don’t you?

      Handsome Tu-160


      Meet - Larina Elmurzaeva, co-pilot on the Yak-42 airline "Grozny-Avia"

    3. ver_
      ver_ 6 December 2015 18: 07 New
      0
      ... as already got these holes, jumping crazy and crazy about their udders ...
  8. gingerbread man 59
    gingerbread man 59 5 December 2015 10: 01 New
    +1
    yes. all this costs a lot of money bombs. rockets fuel and I’m ready to tighten my belt and suffer because I know that it’s easy to jackal and the enemy
  9. Iline
    Iline 5 December 2015 10: 08 New
    11
    Finally, at least one article came from professionals. I’m just tired of reading frank mistakes. Recently, journalists have not particularly dive deep into the technical subtleties.
    Now about the topic.
    The use of DA in this case was not a critical necessity, but a desire to show the combat capabilities of the DA, especially the flight of two Tu-160s from Olenegorsk. It lies on the surface - after several days of dense use, deathly silence ensued.
    Now we have only scheduled flights in Engels according to combat training plans. And the use of strategic missiles for stated goals raises many questions in the urgent need of this action. With this approach, you can use up all the ammunition for these aircraft in a few days, which is intended, in fact, for completely different occasions and is terribly expensive.
    On a fallen rocket - such cases have occurred. Most likely she left the course and in the next zone of correction she could not find the relief stitched in her “brains” comparable to the terrestrial relief. After that, she looked in search of a suitable option, did not find and self-destruct.
    The use of the Tu-22M3 is also somehow not quite intelligible and bears the imprint of a retaliation action. A very small load ammunition is a consequence of the TTD of this aircraft. They with this ammunition from Mozdok reached only the north-eastern outskirts of Syria.
    According to IL-78. It has long been suggested that one regiment in Diaghilevo is disastrously small for our aviation. But it seems that recently the case has moved forward.
    Otherwise, we showed the whole world the possibilities of our YES. Tremble enemies. soldier
    1. red_october
      red_october 5 December 2015 11: 16 New
      +6
      The use of YES in this case was not a critical necessity, but a desire to show the combat capabilities of YES ... The use of the Tu-22M3 is also somehow not entirely intelligible and bears the imprint of a retaliation action.

      Here the logic is not military, but political. The NATO countries, as once, having seen our results, decided to "open a second front" and cling to our successes. And they won the Second World War alone, and bombed the USSR with Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Therefore, it is necessary to constantly emphasize who is in charge here, in the Syrian theater of operations, so as not to particularly greyhounds. And then they didn’t tell, how are we, the Americans and the British with France and Germany, once ISIS gloriously laid ...
      And so - the picture on TV is the efforts of RT, our General Staff also creates some kind of information pressure - it’s more difficult to falsify ...
      1. xtur
        xtur 5 December 2015 18: 39 New
        +4
        > in addition, work is underway on a possible re-targeting of a rocket in the air after launch.

        A dozen strategists with their salvo from a safe distance will be a deadly threat to the AOG almost anywhere in the Pacific Ocean, if their RC can be adjusted in flight. At least in combination with the efforts of other submarines and ships, this will be a serious threat.

        At the same time, such works hint at the new quality of Caliber.
    2. forumow
      forumow 5 December 2015 14: 17 New
      +5
      Any aircraft in the context of counterinsurgency operations is strategic. But there are not so many "strategic" goals for the Islamists. On all the same militants of bombs and sorties can’t save enough, not to mention the cost of this, but the shells are another matter. We need artillery now, not aviation! Artillery + unmanned aerial vehicles / spotters.
      1. AUL
        AUL 5 December 2015 14: 55 New
        +4
        Unfortunately, when this is all over, NATO will attribute all successes exclusively to itself. Such is this audience, they have at least pisses in their eyes, they will Taldychit. How many young people in the west and states know about the role of the USSR in the victory over fascism? There, many people think that the USSR fought on the side of Germany. It will be the same in this situation, unfortunately!
        1. trantor
          trantor 5 December 2015 19: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: AUL
          NATO will attribute all success exclusively to itself.

          Yes, “put” on them “with the device” - let them attribute it. The main thing is that in fact we MADE and not give our own.
    3. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 6 December 2015 17: 04 New
      0
      Ahahah, reporters and "subtleties." The concepts are incompatible. Journalists do not know basic things.
  10. Old26
    Old26 5 December 2015 10: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Kos_kalinki9
    And what about Black Jack? There is a normal name, the White Swan.

    Just the first official, the second - unofficial. We are not indignant and call TU-22Mxxx “Backfires”, and TU-95 - “Bears”. So anyway, whatever you call it, the car remains the same
  11. shura7782
    shura7782 5 December 2015 10: 45 New
    +3
    It is high time to remove the foreign classification from circulation. There is something flawed in this. I consider our aviation self-sufficient. A parent gives a name to his child.
  12. Old26
    Old26 5 December 2015 10: 50 New
    +5
    Quote: NEXUS
    But I believe that we need to call ALL our equipment as our designers called it, and not Western analysts. Therefore, your remark is absolutely true.

    It would be fair if we knew what it was called. But alas, for the most part we do not know. After all, even the “White Swan” is not the name of the designers, but the slang term by the pilots.
    Like Shiloh, Balalaika, etc.
    And many, after being adopted, cease to have names at all. Or get another. It is rare that the title of a topic remains with a serial product. Therefore, we use Western, as more common and well-known.
    I take it very calmly.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 December 2015 11: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: Old26
      Therefore, we use Western, as more common and well-known.

      The Americans don’t use our terminology at all. Although this is our technique. If you called your son Ivan at birth, and in the courtyard he “stuck” a nickname, will you call him what is his name in the yard or what you called Ivan at birth?
  13. Old26
    Old26 5 December 2015 11: 00 New
    0
    Quote: shura7782
    It is high time to remove the foreign classification from circulation. There is something flawed in this. I consider our aviation self-sufficient. A parent gives a name to his child.

    Perfectly! Then name what we call the product, which in the west was called "Canyon".
    1. FID
      FID 5 December 2015 15: 47 New
      +1
      I could be wrong, not the T-15?
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  14. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 5 December 2015 11: 12 New
    +1
    Quite unexpected was the combat mission of the Tu-160 from the Olenya airfield in the Murmansk region, during which strategic missile carriers did not pass over the territory of the Russian Federation, but actually rounded Europe from the western part, flying, in particular, near England.

    Such a hint. We are flying to Syria to bomb the Ishilovites. But here you too do not relax, if you bule behave badly, you will get too!
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 5 December 2015 13: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Peacemaker
      We are flying to Syria to bomb the Ishilovites.



      Everything is correct. But before vomiting, the behavior of some participants in the parallel alliance is outraged. These are the things that pop up:
      (cry.)
      1. Lord_Sita
        Lord_Sita 5 December 2015 16: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Lelek
        Quote: Peacemaker
        We are flying to Syria to bomb the Ishilovites.



        Everything is correct. But before vomiting, the behavior of some participants in the parallel alliance is outraged. These are the things that pop up:
        (cry.)

        So the country knows how to keep its secrets negative
        Question: in what form and who collected them? I won’t be surprised that some Russian blogger.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 7 December 2015 13: 23 New
        0
        I don’t understand where these cattle got data on our pilots from. or are we sharing this info with them? In fact, they terrorize us
  15. Lord_Sita
    Lord_Sita 5 December 2015 11: 48 New
    +1
    True, the X-101 debut was somewhat overshadowed by videotapes and photographs, where one can clearly see how one of the missiles falls to the ground, while it is not clear whether the equipment failed or the ALCM still managed to hit the target.

    Please tell me what the author of the article meant? request
    According to an expert in the Russian Aerospace Forces, who is familiar with modern Russian TSAs, warheads can be mounted on cruise missiles, after which the rocket continues to fly

    Why would a rocket continue to fly without a warhead? request
    According to some reports, at night the work of Il-78 aircraft operators, who are responsible for docking the refueling hose with refueling aircraft, was sometimes complicated by powerful headlights mounted on the Tu-160 receiving device and designed to facilitate the work of the bomber crew when docking with an air tanker.

    Judging by the video on the network, there is such a problem.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk1iY1csGQs
    1. FID
      FID 5 December 2015 15: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Lord_Sita
      Why would a rocket continue to fly without a warhead?

      As an assumption - the air defense continues to track the missile, not the warhead ....
      1. Lord_Sita
        Lord_Sita 5 December 2015 17: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: SSI
        Quote: Lord_Sita
        Why would a rocket continue to fly without a warhead?

        As an assumption - the air defense continues to track the missile, not the warhead ....

        As a question, how does the warhead move in space after separation from the rocket. If it falls, then our designers were counting on some strange enemy air defense that would not shoot down on approach to the guarded object. request
        1. FID
          FID 5 December 2015 19: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Lord_Sita
          counted on some strange enemy air defense

          A rocket has a larger EPR than a warhead ... A warhead can be controlled (example - CAB)
          1. Lord_Sita
            Lord_Sita 5 December 2015 21: 13 New
            +3
            They can. But if the warhead falls from a height of 100 meters, you can’t control much.
    2. FID
      FID 5 December 2015 15: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Lord_Sita
      Why would a rocket continue to fly without a warhead?

      As an assumption - the air defense continues to track the missile, not the warhead ....
  16. red_october
    red_october 5 December 2015 11: 51 New
    +1
    The ammunition stock of the Tu-22M3 in each departure consisted of twelve ordinary free-falling high-explosive bombs OFAB 250-270, which, according to some experts, looks somewhat archaic.

    Western experts do not understand that we are simultaneously solving the problem of disposal
    ammunition that is about to expire repeat
    1. Lucy
      Lucy 5 December 2015 14: 30 New
      +1
      It is necessary to multiply 12x 266 kg = 3192 kg. This weight is much less than 1x X-22.
      There was a training flight on a radius - navigation + BM (possibly beyond the clouds).
  17. Signaller
    Signaller 5 December 2015 15: 07 New
    +1
    ПAccording to preliminary data, the Tu-22M3 completed about 100 sorties and dropped at least 1100 OFAB bombs on ISIS.
    A total of Tu-160 bombers, which carried out at least 12 sorties, launched around the newest cruise missiles 50.
    What Tu 22 that TU 160 finely swim.
    Definitely. Type TU 160 12 sorties-50 missiles. So what???? They have more potential. It's like a “Nape to scratch” - nothing more.
    Tu 22 100 sorties 1100 bombs. 11 tons per departure. A load of about 20 tons. And why???? At the same time, they flew from Russia. ??? Like the same calico-but side view ???? Well, you can’t do that. There is a nominal bomb load. Those. he with her in his twentieth must give out and range, according to xx. And we have a bomb load minus two or three times less and the range is lame. You can not do it this way.
    I look at our SU 25. Two bombs hung KAB 500 and go. And they can have 4 tons. And the range with a suspension of thousands of kilometers. And here, it’s possible to say, fly over the ravine and the hanging ones ??? Type sortie. But normally, there should be three pieces for each wing, and where ???? There are no goals type ???? Yes, there is no purpose wherever the movie is. Personally opinion. I do not insist. But I think they’re fooling us, oh, they’re fooling us.
    1. Lucy
      Lucy 5 December 2015 17: 17 New
      +2
      Something you tons, sorties, the number of bombs mixed in a bunch. Among the many well-known units, ofab-250-270 is not known alone. And 11 tons for the Tu-22m3 is not a small bomb. load. There are such concepts as IShR, PShR. The best option is 1x X-22 recessed under the belly. And on the BP plans, in the absence of serviceable Tu-22m3, 3 X-22 were drawn (one weighs less than 6 tons). So 11 tons is OLYA LA!
      With 24 tons they flew only in Aktyubinsk. Well, that flew without booms.
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  19. AFG-X
    AFG-X 5 December 2015 19: 05 New
    +1
    The debut of heavy impact UAVs would also be nice to see.
  20. Rigla
    Rigla 5 December 2015 19: 26 New
    +1
    The tooth grinding of Ukrainians is dreaming about their own videoconferencing and who do not understand their Ukrainian inferiority. Rejoice at the blown up A321 is not to fight in the Donbass.
  21. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 5 December 2015 22: 06 New
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    Quote: shura7782
    A parent gives a name to his child.


    And the environment is a nickname (drove, nickname, nickname, etc.) They are proud of something and often to the point.
  22. Old26
    Old26 5 December 2015 22: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: xtur
    A dozen strategists with their salvo from a safe distance will be a deadly threat to the AOG almost anywhere in the Pacific Ocean, if their RC can be adjusted in flight. At least in combination with the efforts of other submarines and ships, this will be a serious threat. At the same time, such work hints at the new quality of the Caliber

    No mortal danger to AUG. Strategists have no anti-ship missiles. This is the first. The second one. Redirection usually relies not only on the ANN, but also on the correction system for digital cards. And not when flying over the sea.
    So they don’t hint anything yet ...

    Quote: NEXUS
    The Americans don’t use our terminology at all. Although this is our technique. If you called your son Ivan at birth, and in the courtyard he “stuck” a nickname, will you call him what is his name in the yard or what you called Ivan at birth?

    With regard to the son, the example is generally out of place and not correct. As for the Western designation, the Americans are doing what is more profitable for them. In this case, it is much more profitable and more convenient for them to use their notation system than ours. Say faster, for example: “John” (or any callsign), on the tail of Folkrum-E “than pronounce using our notation system -“ John, on the tail of the MIG twenty-nine um two ”

    Quote: SSI
    I could be wrong, not the T-15?

    I'm afraid Sergey, no. We don’t know what it is called, but it’s not a torpedo, but an unmanned carrier that is washed by neti and a few ammunition from the YBZ. And not the famous "stuffing" at number 6

    Quote: Lord_Sita
    Why would a rocket continue to fly without a warhead?

    And who said that without a warhead?

    Quote: SSI
    As an assumption - the air defense continues to track the missile, not the warhead ....

    There is another assumption. That the rocket continues to fly from the main warhead, after the additional reset.
  23. Lucy
    Lucy 5 December 2015 23: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Signaller
    P [b]


    [b] I look at our SU 25. [/ b]Two bombs hung KAB 500 and go. And they can have 4 tons. And the range with a suspension of thousands of kilometers. And here, it’s possible to say, fly over the ravine and the hanging ones ??? Type sortie. But normally, there should be three pieces for each wing, and where ???? There are no goals type ???? Yes, there is no purpose wherever the movie is. Personally opinion. I do not insist. But I think they’re fooling us, oh fooling us.



    Poor look at the Su-25. + 2x PTB. KAB-500 (cheap version) is more than 3 million. not Belarusian rubles in the prices of 2012, this is + to the cost of s / v. And it weighs KAB for more than 500 kg. So, according to the Papuans traveling on Toyota with a DShK, it’s just AB and even 250, and not 500 kg. And since there are probably problems with undercover intelligence for obvious reasons, they work not for planned purposes, but they hang H> 5000m. and wait for the control center, through the UAV.
    Well, that runway -2500m, atm. the pressure is flat + 48 meters, and now the air t is low, in a few months it will fry under + 40g. restrictions will go.
  24. Gunther
    Gunther 6 December 2015 11: 08 New
    +1
    author: X-101 debut was somewhat overshadowed by videos and photographs, where one can clearly see how one of the rockets falls to the ground

    The author’s faith in this scales touches me)))
    The degree of certainty of these photos, who, when and where took them off? Could it be that truth-seekers from the SNN (a bike about four fallen missiles) enlightened the author?
    There is another version:
    "However, the governor general of Shahrestan, Shush Reza Nejati, told the Iranian news agency IRNA that it was an Iranian unmanned aerial vehicle that crashed during a training flight." ©
    author: Backfire, Backfire, Black Jackie

    A little depressing is such a flaw, expressed in admiration for the NATO codification, however the same picture is also on the website of the Zvezda channel, not only on the news of the military-industrial complex.
    I completely agree with shura7782, NEXUS and Kos_kalinki9.
    Old26 Quote: Great! Then name what we call the product, which in the west was called "Canyon".

    Well, you know about the Skif ROC, so I won’t give out a big secret - the product, which in the west was called the Canyon, has the working name Polar Fox.
  25. Old26
    Old26 6 December 2015 12: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Gunter
    This defectiveness, expressed in a reverence for the NATO codification, is a little depressing.


    You know, Henry, this is not inferiority or admiration. Sometimes the Western classification is more convenient than ours.
    Many examples can be given, both from aviation and from rocketry.
    In general, attempts to replace Western terminology with Russian were already after the Great Patriotic War, when sometimes it came to senility.
    Myasishchev's memoirs are interesting in this respect.

    Quote: Gunter
    Well, you know about the Skif ROC, so I won’t give out a big secret - the product, which in the west was called the Canyon, has the working name Polar Fox.

    Well, the working title is sometimes not the same as the title of the topic laughing
  26. shura7782
    shura7782 6 December 2015 21: 53 New
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    [quote = Old26] [quote = Gunther] A bit depressing is this flaw, expressed in a reverence for the NATO codification [/ quote]

    You know, Henry, this is not inferiority or admiration. Sometimes the Western classification is more convenient than ours.


    I got acquainted with the classification in the school. Yes, for convenience, the name sounds short and clear. For me, for all my service in aviation, these conveniences or inconveniences have not met. I know that this is the place to be, but it is extremely rare for someone to try to show this knowledge in a normal conversation. The rest I agree with you.
  27. Zankish
    Zankish 6 December 2015 22: 59 New
    0
    First classification, then what? ...
    1. shura7782
      shura7782 7 December 2015 10: 18 New
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      Quote: Zankish
      First classification, then what? ...

      Alim, please specify your question.