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Project attack helicopter Ka-50-2 Erdogan

In connection with the recent events, the Russian Ministry of Defense decided to cease any military cooperation with Turkey. The cooperation of the two countries was not particularly intense, but some of its episodes are of great interest. Thus, in the late nineties, the Russian defense industry, with the assistance of foreign colleagues, began the creation of a promising combat helicopter that could replenish the fleet of military equipment of Turkey. For various reasons, the Russian project did not win the competition, but still became a curious page in stories Russian helicopter.

The history of the Kamov export project began in 1997. Then the Turkish Ministry of Defense began to implement a program to upgrade the material part of the armed forces, including the military aviation. In accordance with the plans of the late nineties, implemented under the ATAK program, until 2010, Turkish army aviation was to receive 145 new attack helicopters of foreign development. Part of this equipment was planned to be ordered from the development company, but most helicopters should have been built at Turkish enterprises. This feature of the plans, as well as some other nuances in the end, had a great influence on the course of the entire competition and subsequent events.

Several companies submitted applications for the competition: the Russian Kamov, the American Boeing and Bell Helicopters, as well as the Italian Agusta and the European consortium Eurocotper. Turkish military men were offered AH-64D Apache Longbow, AH-1Z King Cobra, A129 Mangusta and Tiger helicopters. The Russian company submitted to the competition its new project called Ka-50-2 Erdogan ("Warrior"). As part of this project, it was proposed to create a promising attack helicopter built on the basis of the Ka-50 and Ka-52 helicopter units. In addition, to meet customer requirements, it was planned to equip a new helicopter with avionics of foreign production.

Project attack helicopter Ka-50-2 Erdogan
An early prototype of the Ka-50-2 based on the Ka-50. Photo

The Russian Kamov firm became the lead developer of the project. It was to be responsible for creating the airframe, power plant and other main components, as well as for general coordination of the work. As the creator of radio-electronic equipment, the project involved the Israeli company Lahav Division, which was part of the IAI company. This company had considerable experience in the development of avionics and the modernization of existing aircraft and helicopters. In addition, shortly before the launch of the Ka-50-2 project, Lahav Division completed an order by the Turkish Air Force to modernize existing old-type aircraft.

A characteristic feature of the Russian proposal was the absence of a ready-made full-fledged helicopter of a new type. Ka-50-2 until the very end of the work existed only in the form of drawings, flying laboratories and mock-ups, which, among other things, could have some influence on the success of Russian participation in the Turkish ATAK tender. However, in March 1999 of the year, as part of the first stage of the competition, Kamov demonstrated to the customer a prototype, built on the basis of an existing Ka-50 type machine. This helicopter was equipped with a double cabin, borrowed from the Ka-52, and part of the new avionics. During this demonstration, several test flights were carried out by Turkish pilots.

In addition to the demonstration of the modified Ka-50 helicopter, the potential customer was shown documentation on the promising project Ka-50-2. According to the idea of ​​the authors of the project, the Erdogan type helicopter was supposed to be a significantly modified version of the base Ka-50. While maintaining the airframe, the power plant and other basic units of the base helicopter, the upgraded car should have received a new two-seat cabin and a radically modified onboard avionics system. Also included were noticeable changes to the weapons complex, aimed at ensuring compatibility with the NATO standards used by the Turkish Air Force.

The prototype is based on the Ka-50. Photo

The most noticeable external difference between the promising Ka-50-2 was to be the new two-seat cockpit with the accommodation of pilots side by side, borrowed from the Ka-52 project. Thus, in the original version, the Ka-50-2 helicopter should have a characteristic wide cockpit with a recognizable curved glazing shape. In the future, it should be noted, a new cabin version was developed, which better met the requirements of the customer.

The layout of the helicopter remained the same. All main units were located inside the fuselage with a tapered tail boom. The engines were placed on the sides of the fuselage, between them provided a place for the main gearbox. The design of the coaxial rotor with a diameter of 14,5 m remained the same. The developed keel and stabilizer with additional vertical planes are also preserved. In its place, there is also a large wing with arms suspension points. The number of the latter has been increased to six.

Minimal modifications of the airframe design, which actually affected only the front part of the fuselage, made it possible to keep the dimensions at the level of the base Ka-50 machine. The total length of Erdogan was 16 m, the maximum width (along the wing) was 7,34 m, the height was 4,95 m. The weight indicators also remained at the same level. The mass of the empty helicopter, according to calculations, was 7,7 t, the normal take-off - 9,7 t. The maximum take-off weight was set at the level of 11,3 t - 500 kg more than the base helicopter.

The new project involved the use of the existing TV3-117ВМА turboshaft engines with 2200 horsepower. With the help of such a power plant, the helicopter could reach a maximum speed of up to 300 km / h with a cruising 275 km / h. The coaxial rotor provided high maneuverability, and also allowed to move in the lateral or rear direction with a speed of up to 100 km / h. In addition, the power plant and the rotor gave a fairly high rate of climb - up to 780 m per minute. The practical ceiling was determined at the level of 6 km, static - 4,2 km. Combat range was 450 km, practical - 1160 km.

Full-size mock Ka-50-2 with a tandem cab. Photo

The built-in armament of the Ka-50-2 helicopter initially had to consist of one 2-42 automatic gun of the 30 mm caliber on a mobile unit. Like weapon could be used with sufficiently high efficiency against enemy manpower and armored vehicles. In the future, a new version of the built-in weapons was developed that meets NATO standards and uses foreign-made weapons.

In accordance with the requirements of the customer, the nomenclature of the suspended arms was reworked. So, instead of Russian-made 80 mm unguided rockets, it was proposed to use 70-mm projectiles of the Hydra family. Anti-tank missiles "Whirlwind" were supplemented with American-made AGM-114 Hellfire products. To protect against airborne targets, the helicopter had to carry air-to-air missiles of the Igla-V and AIM-92 Stinger types with infrared homing heads.

The crew, consisting of two people, was to have at its disposal a developed complex of electronic equipment, providing search and detection of targets with the subsequent use of all available weapons. The on-board electronics complex, developed by Lahav Division, had an open architecture and was built according to existing foreign standards. The basis of the avionics was two central computers and two system buses (weapons and flight-navigation complex), corresponding to the Mil-Std-1553B standard.

As a primary means of observing and detecting targets, an optical-electronic HMOPS sighting system with gyrostabilization, day and night channels was proposed. In addition, it was proposed to include a laser rangefinder and a laser weapon control system. Optical electronic equipment was proposed to be installed on a mobile platform under the nose fairing of the fuselage and closed with a spherical casing.

Layout at the exhibition MAKS-2001. Photo

To control the helicopter in difficult conditions, the crew had to use the Nav-FLIR navigation thermal imaging system. Also provided satellite navigation equipment, radio navigation system and a number of other means. Despite the main trends in the development of attack helicopters, the Ka-50-2 machine should not have been equipped with a radar station.

For the display of flight, tactical and other information in the cockpit, four liquid crystal screens were provided (two each for the pilot and the weapon operator). In addition, it was proposed to use helmet-mounted indication and target indication systems that increase the ease of use of weapons.

To protect against anti-aircraft and aviation weapons, the Ka-50-2 helicopter was to receive a set of relevant equipment. It was proposed to equip it with an electronic reconnaissance station, a laser radiation detection system, a heat finder and a device for ejecting false thermal targets. According to some reports, the helicopter could get an electronic warfare station.

In this form, the project Ka-50-2 Erdogan was proposed to a potential customer in the person of the Turkish armed forces in 1999 year. In July of the same year, the second stage of the tender was launched, during which Turkish specialists again examined the proposals of the contestants, as well as presented additional requirements. After analyzing the project, the customer handed over to Kamov a new list of requirements implying a number of noticeable changes in the design of the prospective helicopter. According to some data, these requirements were not put forward without the participation of the American side, which was promoting its equipment.

Advertising project Ka-50-2. Photo

The customer was not satisfied with the cabin layout: the Turkish military wanted a helicopter with a tandem crew arrangement. In addition, they demanded that the 30А2 42 cannon be replaced with an 20 mm caliber gun using standard NATO ammunition. Some other wishes were also expressed concerning weapons, equipment and other features of the project.

Already in September, the Kamov company built and presented to the Turkish military a full-size model of an updated attack helicopter in September 1999. Double cabin, borrowed from the Ka-52, was replaced with a new unit with a tandem arrangement of pilots. Instead of an onboard installation with a 30-mm gun, a new integrated weapon system was proposed. Now a special turret with the 20-mm cannon of the French company GIAT was to be located under the starboard. During takeoff and landing, the turret was proposed to be removed into the fuselage and released outside in flight.

The preliminary results of the competition were announced in the summer of 2000. The best offer the Turkish military considered the American helicopter Bell Helicopters AH-1Z King Cobra, but it was noted that this decision is not final. According to statements by some officials, the American side had to agree with a number of Turkish conditions. Otherwise, the revision of the tender results and the choice of another winner were not excluded. Disagreements between the customer and the developer could be related to the transfer of a number of technologies. Turkey wanted to expand the production of new helicopters at its facilities, however, some units of the AH-1Z helicopter could not be produced outside the United States.

After a series of talks, the American side refused to transfer secret technologies to Turkey, which caused the signing of the contract for the supply and construction of AH-1Z helicopters. Subsequently, the Turkish military continued to select promising equipment for army aviation, but problems soon began. So, by the middle of the two thousandth, plans for the acquisition of helicopters had been reduced to 50 units. As a potential attack helicopter for the Turkish armed forces, several vehicles previously announced for the competition, including the Russian Ka-50-2, were still considered.

The result of cooperation between Italy and Turkey is a TAI / AgustaWestland T129 helicopter. Photo of Wikimedia Commons

Ultimately, it was decided to combine the efforts of AgustaWestland (Italy) and Turkish Aerospace Industries (Turkey) and create a new helicopter based on the existing A129 Mangusta. This resulted in the appearance of the TAI / AgustaWestland T129 helicopter, which first took off in the fall of the 2009 year. So far, T129 has gone into series, it is planned to build 60 helicopters. At the moment, only one sixth of this order is completed.

Russian helicopter builders hoped to receive the order until the very end, but in the end the contract was signed with an Italian company. All this time, the company "Kamov" did not stop work to improve the existing technology. So, in 2001, the first reports appeared on the new, upgraded version of the Ka-50 helicopter, equipped with a double cabin. In some promotional materials, this project appeared under the name Ka-54. A promising Ka-54 helicopter was planned to be offered to the Russian Ministry of Defense and foreign customers.

The Ka-50-2 Erdogan project did not end with the signing of a contract for the supply of production aircraft, but it helped domestic specialists to gain valuable experience in foreign tenders and cooperation with colleagues from other countries. In addition, the Erdogan project left some “material traces” of its existence: a prototype based on the Ka-50 equipped with a double cabin and some new equipment, as well as a full-size model with a tandem cabin and an original retractable turret. Due to the lack of an appropriate order, a full-fledged prototype of the Ka-50-2 helicopter with the full complement of the necessary onboard equipment was not built.

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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 December 2015 06: 43
    Do not see the Turks more than our weapons.
    There are other buyers.
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 2 December 2015 07: 27
      Very serious work was carried out on the Kamovtsi tender and definitely not empty, the backlog is always important and helps to develop further. . . the layouts are very interesting and not ordinary based on ka50, a very interesting ARTICLE.
      Many thanks to the author.
      1. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 2 December 2015 08: 51
        Such a helicopter will come in handy ourselves. And its export potential will certainly be very good. You just need to change the name, you can simply translate into Russian, and that "Warrior" he is a warrior. Even if alone in the field, which the Russians / Soviets have repeatedly proved to the whole world. Article and author plus and thanks.
        I have the honor.
        1. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 2 December 2015 21: 49
          Well, the Ka-52 "Alligator" has grown from there. So nothing was wasted.
          1. Kir
            Kir 12 December 2015 22: 25
            The Ka-52 did not grow out of Erdogan, it is enough to look at the history of MAKS salons, if I remember correctly, the Ka-52 model (as I did not remember then) was exhibited in 1997-1999.
            By the way, from the over-the-fly radar in the photo of Karpenko with the MAKS-2001 Ka-52 stands sheathed, behind the layout of the Turk, you need to look carefully.
    2. iouris
      iouris 2 December 2015 16: 44
      Kamov's resources were spent on an obviously unviable "project". Ka-52 is a passed stage.
    3. Civil
      Civil 2 December 2015 17: 46
      A promising naval helicopter, which is being developed to replace the Ka-27, received the code “Lamprey”. On Tuesday, December 1, TASS said a source in the military-industrial complex.

      According to the source, the technical design stage is currently underway: the general layout of the helicopter, various components and mechanisms are being worked out. The source did not name the main tactical and technical characteristics of the new machine, only noting that it was a “traditional layout for Kamov helicopters”.

      The traditional scheme of Kamov Design Bureau helicopters is a scheme with coaxial screws.

      In turn, another agency interlocutor in industry noted that the size of the Minoga helicopter and its take-off weight would be less than that of the Ka-27 (it reaches 12 tons).

      Here would be more information ...
    4. Khan of Rus
      Khan of Rus 27 December 2015 13: 09
      pff Take better And Israel or Amer anyway do with the others as with India they are electronics and you are trash!
  2. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 2 December 2015 06: 48
    Has saved the Almighty Russia from a bad step! Another confirmation that for the sake of profit we will not stop at nothing. Just to sell, even to a potential enemy. And the fact that later Russian people may die, no one thinks about it.
  3. qwert
    qwert 2 December 2015 07: 00
    But now we are selling Ka-52 to Egypt. And even those that had time to build in anticipation of our "mistrals". You might think they are superfluous for us and similar machines in our fleet and in the army are just above the roof. At the top, they only think about money. And in case of any trouble they already have real estate in France, and children have long been living in England.
    And Ka-50-2 for Turkey, it was just an attempt by Mikheev to get at least some money for development. Milevtsy with the Rostov plant have such a lobby that for 20 years already, Kamovites, having an order of magnitude better car, can neither squander nor get normal funding.
    1. Dam
      Dam 2 December 2015 11: 02
      In the event of an unsuccessful mess, a court in The Hague or the fate of Gaddafi awaits them. And they all know it well. So that you do not need to smack nonsense. If the machine is not used by you, it is better to sell it, because otherwise it eats your money and at the same time does not grow numb. There are no and there will not be long-term trains. It’s better to sell and build what you need today, such as Night Hunters
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 3 December 2015 06: 41
        Why did you decide that we do not need the Ka-52 built for the Mistrals ??? Is there an oversupply of helicopters in Russia? Night hunters are also not a panacea. For some reason, the Americans keep their equipment, roll it up in film and it stands. We must-refueled and flew. Since there are enough "rationalists" in the Russian Federation with a mindset like yours, we have cut the entire fleet. Here "Moscow" is an old woman and sticks out like a poplar on Plyushchikha under the enemy's sights. Only madmen can save on their armed forces.
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    2. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 2 December 2015 12: 23
      Does this dish - "Lobi" - have a full name? Just wondering.
    3. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 2 December 2015 13: 57
      And even more than 20 years old. The tender for a new attack helicopter, back in the days of the USSR, the Kamovites from the Ka-50 won. True, a few years later the tender results were revised.
  4. Hannibal Lecter
    Hannibal Lecter 2 December 2015 08: 10
    Why not see our weapons to the Turks? Looks like VKS shows well. Yesterday they wrote that Pinocchio was put in Syria. The Turks just have tickets in the far row.
  5. Old26
    Old26 2 December 2015 08: 56
    Article plus. The creation process is well described. thank
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 December 2015 10: 58
    The Turkish-Italian hybrid turned out to be too "Turkish". Some kind of jumble of functional parts.
    Now I’ll get to see the performance characteristics. I looked. It's just some kind of dead wood, not a car. In all respects. Light reconnaissance, armor - relative, from single 12.7, the combat load is a ton with a small, in general, dragonfly. And it is right.
  7. newcomer
    newcomer 2 December 2015 11: 37
    Yes, indeed, our Kamovites and Migovtsy ate footboards and cuts on the sides of mi and su. Yes, I understand everything: 90 beginning 00_ lack of money, orders zero. but you couldn’t throw your colleagues in the case into the abyss like this. the leadership of su and mi was not really overexposed, and even more so now. but they drove into paradise on the shoulders of a moment and ka. and the fact that having such a lobby (which cost only Petrosyan for a moment and a rotten general for ka) is still bought along with sumigi, and with mi kams. look back a bit not for nothing that the leadership of mine and the USSR SSR bought two kb automotive equipment, two kb armored vehicles. in fact, on the basis of such bloodless competition, drill models and promising ones actually improved. but yak 41 we lost.
    1. Kir
      Kir 12 December 2015 22: 22
      Just do not drag Sukhovtsev, they ate so much during the USSR and from Tu and from Mig, that ...... By the way, the Mig Design Bureau itself with its leadership changes played up. But the fact that Kamov's design bureau has been overwritten and overwritten is for sure.
  8. 2s1122
    2s1122 2 December 2015 12: 01
    Interestingly, but everything that was offered for Turkey (guidance, control system, etc., etc.) is qualitatively available on the KA-50, although the question is stupid but still. It’s necessary to study the literature
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 December 2015 13: 10
      Thanks to the author for an interesting article.
      The decision to choose a western helicopter was purely political, because the quality and excellence of Kamov’s helicopters does not raise doubt that, for example, China demonstrated a combat helicopter for which it was developed by this design bureau.
      Another interesting light combat helicopter from Tatarstan Ansat-2RC
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 2 December 2015 21: 51
        Excellent "Russian" Kiowa ""! RC - not without reason in the index - "Reconnaissance and Targeting"
      2. Kir
        Kir 12 December 2015 22: 27
        Well, such a one somehow accompanied Mi-8 of Vladimir Putin, he himself saw how they flew close to our house, though the color was green.
  9. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 2 December 2015 13: 09
    "Erdogan" has long been washed out and merged completely and irrevocably. What's the use of remembering him now ...
  10. IAlex
    IAlex 2 December 2015 15: 24
    The only useful modernization of the KA-50 in recent years is the created ship version for the Mistral, the only catch is that the Mistral is now dumb, and the surf, if any, will be only in 10 years ...
  11. FID
    FID 2 December 2015 15: 55
    Kamov is currently designing a helicopter called Lamprey ... A naval version to replace the Ka-27 ...
  12. fa2998
    fa2998 2 December 2015 16: 20
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Turkish-Italian hybrid

    Look at this "Agusta" - some kind of ugly. Our Ka-50 (50-2,52) against him like Allen Delon. laughing hi
  13. mvg
    mvg 2 December 2015 21: 53
    And what is so joyful then? What did not win the next tender? Let's laugh together how Kamov was left without another order. Can someone tell me, except for the Misralia of Egypt (and even that is not a fact, the money is Saudi), are we still selling Kamov to someone? Probably they, like hot cakes, go around the world .. In addition to the Russian Navy, Ka-27/31/32 and Ka-52 aircraft, nobody needs them .. even our traditional customers. China, India, Vietnam, Algeria .. Arapam ..
    You can laugh for a long time over Augusta and Eurocopters, but Italians are very worthy competitors to Sikorsky and Bella in the civilian and light class military equipment. And Eurocopter Tiger is a very successful combat helicopter.
    PS: But we didn’t pass all the secret technology to the enemies of the Turks .. it’s obvious and they didn’t need it, since they didn’t even insist on creating a prototype .. I don’t understand how you can participate in the tender without having what you are offering? They put together some kind of wooden model, put 2-3 beautifully painted albums on it and they want a contract for a pollard. They give it to girls.
  14. aviator1913
    aviator1913 3 December 2015 21: 18
    The name of course was chosen politically correct, but years earlier on 10)
  15. Litsvin
    Litsvin 5 December 2015 00: 31
    Recently I watched the speech of VV Zhirinovsky "from 2010". It was about different things, but the essence is the same - you cannot transfer new technologies in general and first-class weapons in particular to other countries (even friendly today). So, for example, how the USSR brought up China, which turned from a feudal state into what we see now - and atomic energy, and the atomic bomb, and heavy industry, etc. We gave it all to them, they did not come up with anything, they just copied ours and stole someone else's. That's the whole point of the "Chinese economic miracle". Why was it necessary to do this and how does it affect Russia in 50 years? Also with Turkey. Why do you stand nigger NPP? They need electricity - run power lines and export electricity from Russia. Why do they need such weapons systems as the KA-52? So that they kill Russian soldiers tomorrow. Russia and Turkey have always fought and will never be friends. Different ethnicities, religions, cultures and goals. There were 12 Russian-Turkish warriors in total - this is reality.
    1. Kir
      Kir 12 December 2015 22: 49
      Well, your dad to us the same themselves say so very strange leads, though like brothers and by blood and by faith, then one has a pan under the word nigger. By the way, it’s better for them to have our nuclear power plant than American Japan seems to have proved how it threatens, by the way, including us.