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New Ukrainian sniper rifle VM MP-OOS

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New Ukrainian sniper rifle VM MP-OOS



Specialists of the state enterprise "Ukroboronservis" developed a new sniper rifle VM MP-UOS. In fact, this is a deep modernization of the well-known Mosin rifle caliber 7,62 millimeter sample 1891 / 1930 of Soviet production.

It should be noted that the company "Ukroboronservis" announced the creation of a new model of small weapons in its advertising brochure back in September of this year. A demonstration of the prototype was held on November 13 2015 of the year. In order to demonstrate the capabilities of the new development, demonstration shooting was conducted at the National Guard under in New Petrovtsy.

Ukrainian gunsmiths improved these weapons in accordance with NATO standards to further equip the police and National Guard units.

A new sniper rifle designed for the cartridge 7,62x54 millimeter, has a barrel length of 730 millimeters. Its rate of fire reaches 20 shots per minute. Cartridges are fed from a box magazine with 5 or 10 cartridges. The rifle VM MP-UOS is equipped with an optical sight and folding telescopic bipod of Harris SBR. During the modernization, the firing range was increased and the recoil was reduced when shooting, which, according to the developers, is practically not felt in the new weapon. In addition, due to the use of a silencer, the sound of the shot is significantly reduced, so the rifle can be used covertly.

As part of refitting the Mosin rifle, other changes were made to its design. So, in particular, the butt and wooden box are replaced by a new one, which is made of polymeric materials and aluminum alloy, as well as an adjustable butt and pistol grip. The permanent store was replaced with a box-shaped detachable store with a single-row arrangement of cartridges. To install the muffler or muzzle brake-compensator on the muzzle of the barrel provides a thread.

As reported in the press service of the state enterprise "Ukroboronservis", all components and parts that are used to upgrade the rifle, exclusively Ukrainian production. In addition, it was stated that the possibility of manufacturing these weapons for export is not excluded.

Already, according to the tradition that has emerged recently, a new Ukrainian development was met on the Internet by heated discussion. The novelty was ridiculed, they say, the new development turned out to be “pre-revolutionary Mosinka”. However, there were also sensible people who critically approached the evaluation of the work of the Ukrainian gunsmiths, noting all the positive and negative sides of the VM MP-UOS rifle.

Among the “pluses”, the following was noted: Mosin rifles in the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine are quite a lot, so the components will be very cheap. In addition, there is no doubt and reliability of the design. A good butt, body kit and a suspended trunk improves shooting accuracy, which is a huge advantage among similar types of weapons.

At the same time, critics point out certain negative sides. So, in particular, in Ukraine they do not produce high-quality cartridges of the required caliber. The big problem is that the lion's share of Mosin rifles stored in military warehouses is worn out, so it will be difficult to find quality barrels. In addition, the trigger and bolt do not meet the standards of sniper weapons. All these “minuses” may ultimately lead to the fact that upgrading an old Mosin rifle into a new VM MP-UOS rifle can be too expensive, and the new development can catch up with the cost of a Remington 700 Police rifle.

At the present time, it is not possible to assert that the new Ukrainian development will go into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is possible that there will be new improvements and improvements ahead, but we can already say that such a model has the opportunity to occupy its own niche.

Materials used:
https://www.all4shooters.com/ru/strelba/ruzhya/2015-novosti/Ukroboronservys-VM-MP-UOS-snayperskaya-vintovka/
http://www.rbc.ua/styler/avto_i_hi_tech/ukraina-predstavila-snayperskuyu-vintovku-1447856127.html
http://ru.uos.ua/press-center/novosti/demonstratsiya-snayperskoy-vintovki-vm-mp-uos
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  1. D-Master
    D-Master 30 November 2015 06: 36
    24
    Specialists of the state-owned enterprise Ukroboronservis developed a new sniper rifle VM MP-UOS. In fact, this is a deep modernization of the well-known Mosin rifle of the 7,62 caliber of a millimeter of the Soviet-made model 1891 / 1930.

    WHAT COMMENTS ARE NECESSARY. THIS DOES THE COUNTRY THE HEIR OF THE GREAT SOVIET WEAPON SCHOOL. One word - they jumped. Look for when the Mosinki end, the muskets of the Russian-Turkish wars, they should be in abundance - in five years they will come in handy
    1. perm23
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      1. Mik13
        Mik13 30 November 2015 07: 44
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        1. Dam
          Dam 30 November 2015 21: 24
          +3
          Pug has a good pile - 2 minutes, this caliber for sniper shooting at 1100 is not intended from words at all. With all due respect to mos, this is an excellent infantry weapon of the early 20th century and never a sniper rifle in the modern sense of the word. There is no need to list why, information, for those interested, the mass. And at the expense of cheap, the trunk may not be worth anything, and the body kit on it is thousands of 2 greens. (I don't know how much inside, since the trigger is definitely for replacement, and with a fuse you need to be wise). And for this money, at the exit we have a very conventional trunk. By the way, the Ukrainians have a very good weapons school, for example "Zbroyar". I had a chance to poyuzat, quite a barrel. The point, as always, in a fun game: "Drank the budget".
          1. Astrey
            Astrey 30 November 2015 22: 43
            +3
            Quote: Damm
            By the way, Ukrainians have a very good weapons school, for example "Zbroyar"


            Here is "thank you" so "thank you" ... A school with 20 years of experience of independent existence - you must agree - this is daring. A full-fledged school of small arms in Ukraine was not formed until the 90s. There was not even a question.

            Kiev - the most-most city in Ukraine, has always been a stronghold of users, and the creators only interfered with their own: "do not break", "do not be stupid."
            The first school of gunsmiths back in January 1918 opposite the Arsenalnaya metro station (sarcasm with tears in half) was chopped up by the Petliurists with sabers, the next Second World War was burnt ... Shooting is a dangerous topic. Despite the almost successes of the 90s (PP "Gnome", "Elf") OWN developments have not been adopted for service.

            Well, the reputation of the group that presented this device ... is not ice. BUT! At the Arms and Security 2015 exhibition, three more options for upgrading the Mosinka were presented - with a reasonable price, and even without a bayonet. So - the idea is grateful, after the crisis it is worth buying.)
            1. Dam
              Dam 2 December 2015 11: 57
              +2
              In my understanding, the weapons school is determined by the product, not the age of the enterprise. Of the zbrojarsk ar - oks it was possible to shoot a lot, no worse than eminent manufacturers, the boltovik was also not bad, although not without childhood illnesses of the bolt group. In St. Petersburg, Lefty sold more than 100 trunks. Used by many, no special complaints. No worse and no better than Orsis. But political sarcasm is inappropriate in this case.
          2. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 8 December 2015 18: 58
            +1
            Quote: Damm
            By the way, the Ukrainians have a very good weapons school, for example "Zbroyar".

            this weapon school, even under the PMovsky pistol cartridge, could not be made in just 25 years of development. The result was that they are now trying to remake the ChZ-75 ... As Fort Kakaha was, it remained.
        2. tracer
          tracer 1 December 2015 00: 44
          +3
          Well, here it is again .... The sniper weapon does not "get it" but almost guaranteed it hits the target. Mosin's rifle THE WEAPON IS NOT SNIPESRVKOE (not to be confused with the sniper version, where the quality of the barrel and the trigger is better) !!! This is the whole point. And it will never be a sniper. Tie a shovel to it with a wire, at least repaint it 10 times. About 90 percent of rifles from Ukraine were massively supplied to hunters in Canada and America. There were a lot of them at one time. And now there is where. So there were no problems with tuning, and stocks and optics and brakes ... Everything is there. So, the barrel of a Mosin rifle in 95 percent of the case is badly worn out. And if not worn out, it is very thin and overheats after 5 shots and the pile creeps up, lining up in a line. A friend experimented with it and put in about $ 1500 in bells and whistles (including a sports descent). So what ? The pile of even the best cartridge Hornadi 7,62 / 54 did not exceed 3 arc minutes per 100 yards. Sorry muah, but these are more than not sniper performance. For comparison, the rifle is Accuracy international AT 308. Gives an accuracy of 0,25 arc minutes per 100 yards. I shot it myself a month ago. There is a difference? Anything that is less than an angular minute in accuracy cannot be considered suitable for sniper work. I have been doing shooting sports myself since 1986 and I know what I'm talking about. In my opinion, this is another option to cut at least a little from the defense poverty of Ukraine's budget. Nothing more. This is an amateur level construction with the idea of ​​"Well, THAT SHOTO" .... This is the level of their GARAGE TANK FROM UAZIK. Rear exhaust of trolls who have lost their Country, Homeland, Flag, and Honor.
          1. Mik13
            Mik13 1 December 2015 06: 17
            0
            Quote: tracer
            The Mosin rifle WEAPONS ARE NOT SNIPPER (not to be confused with the sniper version, there the barrel quality and descent are better) !!! That is the whole point. And never will be sniper. At least wrap a shovel to it, at least repaint 10 times


            The sniper version was obtained during the selection of conventional serial trunks, EMNIP. On the barrel with a good accuracy set the bracket for the sight and another bolt. Nobody started a separate pipeline for the sniper version.

            By the way, the Germans with their Mauser 98 also received sniper options.

            Quote: tracer
            So, the Mosin rifle barrel in 95 percent of the case is very worn out.

            It happens. But they are selected from new ones, and not from bald ones ... I assure you that from 10 warehouse unshooted 1-2 trunks will be quite on the level.

            Quote: tracer
            if not worn, it is very thin and overheats after 5 shots and the bunch creeps up lining up in a line.

            Dear, if a sniper shoots 5 shots in a row so that he overheats the barrel, he will not see the results of overheating ...
            1. tracer
              tracer 1 December 2015 09: 50
              +1
              Hmm ... you can immediately see that you have nothing to do with sniper and small arms business. I do not want to offend you at the same time. There are simply directions in which other people understand in more detail.
    2. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 30 November 2015 09: 44
      +2
      In addition to the mosquitoes, they still had SVT in their warehouses. So, the turn will not reach the muskets soon.
      Enrages that in the republics they are clicking their beaks. With the production capacities of Donetsk and Lugansk, it would be possible to establish its own deep modernization.
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 30 November 2015 13: 02
        +4
        Quote: Egor-dis
        Enrages that in the republics they are clicking their beaks. With the production capacities of Donetsk and Lugansk, it would be possible to establish its own deep modernization.


        But why?
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      3. Good me
        Good me 30 November 2015 13: 16
        +3
        Quote: Egor-dis
        Enrages that in the republics they are clicking their beaks. With the production capacities of Donetsk and Lugansk, it would be possible to establish its own deep modernization.


        Who told you that about the "beak"?

        Asked by people close to science about financing, Alexander Zakharchenko (leader of the DPR), said that while the main emphasis was on defense projects and research, even a secret research institute had been created, but civil science would be given perhaps due attention.
  2. surrozh
    surrozh 30 November 2015 06: 46
    +2
    Getting ready, bastards.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 30 November 2015 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: surozh
      Getting ready, bastards.

      Sawed down the fly - experienced.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 30 November 2015 12: 34
        +2
        Quote: GRAY
        Sawed down the fly - experienced.


        Another clone of a good mosquito. It is necessary to add to the table
    2. edge
      edge 30 November 2015 12: 11
      0
      Quote: surozh
      Getting ready, bastards.

      I don’t know why, but it already infuriates me ukrogovor ...... I want to puke.
  3. silver169
    silver169 30 November 2015 07: 04
    +2
    All right, shiver quilted jackets, "new" screws and pistols of the great dill will revolutionize the arms world. But seriously, nothing special, once again "everything was stolen before us." Dill, in his life he is not able to create something new, really revolutionary.
  4. ICT
    ICT 30 November 2015 07: 15
    +7
    section weapons nevertheless, so that we try without politics, but still

    Quote: silver169
    once again "everything is stolen before us"


    and the dei came from overseas. what does the price almost xnumx US dollars
    wink

    http://topwar.ru/27163-obnovlenie-vintovki-mosina-ot-archangel.html
    1. tracer
      tracer 1 December 2015 00: 48
      0
      Read a little higher. I described an experiment with a mosquito in Canada.
  5. Jack-b
    Jack-b 30 November 2015 07: 41
    0
    According to the press service of the state-owned enterprise Ukroboronservis, all the components and parts that are used to modernize the rifle are exclusively made in Ukraine.

    And who makes optics in Hohland?
    1. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 30 November 2015 09: 33
      +2
      Raisins factory
    2. bazilio
      bazilio 30 November 2015 12: 31
      0
      here's another catch-up "and the Harris SBR folding telescopic bipod."
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 30 November 2015 21: 53
      0
      Quote: Jack-B
      And who makes optics in Hohland?

      In Cherkasy, the stuffing for satellites was made, including satellite optics. Not exactly what optics are for weapons, but nonetheless.
  6. TұrKBөrӨ
    TұrKBөrӨ 30 November 2015 07: 56
    36
    About the Mosin rifle (three-ruler).
    M16 - Wedge when dirty.
    AK47 - Works when dirty.
    Trehlineyka - It has not been clean since the moment of issuance of troops in 1891

    М16 - Hundreds of moving parts fastened with dozens of bolts and screws.
    AK47 - A pair of dozens of moving parts held together by a handful of rivets and the ugly seams of a drunken Russian welder.
    Trilinek - three moving parts, two screws.


    M16 - You would rather die than break your expensive rifle in hand-to-hand combat.
    AK47 - with your automatic machine you can fight well in hand-to-hand combat.
    Three-ruler - Your rifle is a cool spear with the ability to shoot.

    M16 - If the firing pin breaks, you send the rifle to the factory under warranty.
    AK47 - If the striker breaks, you buy a new one.
    Trilinek - If the hammer breaks, you twist it a couple of turns further into the bolt.

    М16 - More difficult to manufacture than many airplanes.
    AK47 - Used by countries that have no money for airplanes.
    Trilinek - Aircraft were shot down from it.

    М16 - The butt melts under a magnifying glass.
    AK47 - Under the magnifying glass, you can consider Vietnamese dirt that is still working instead of lubrication.
    Three-line - Under the magnifying glass you can see the impregnated tree BLOOD.

    Owner's favorite drink:
    M16 - Cognac.
    AK47 - Vodka.
    Trilinear - Brake fluid drained along the frozen trunk.

    M16 - Makes a small hole, all neatly, in accordance with the Geneva Convention.
    AK47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention.
    Trilinek - One of the reasons for creating the Geneva Convention.

    М16 - Excellent shoots small rodents.
    AK47 - Perfectly shoots the enemies of the revolution.
    Trilinek - Excellent shoots light equipment.

    М16 - Once in the river, it stops working.
    AK47 - Once in the river, it still shoots.
    Three-ruler - Once in a river, it is usually used as a paddle.

    М16 - Weapons for defense.
    AK47 - Weapons for attack.
    Trilinek - Victory Weapons!

    М16 - A podstvolnik is heavy, but it can put a grenade out the window for 200 meters.
    AK47 - If anything, a grenade from a grenade launcher can be thrown into the window by hand.
    Three-line - Grenade out the window? Hit through the wall, the cartridge pierces almost a meter of brick.

    М16 - You can put a silencer, a small cartridge does not give a lot of sound.
    AK47 - In principle, you can put a silencer, but it’s better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire.
    Three-line - Nafig silencer, when after the first shot everything will go deaf in any way?
    1. Shilochnik
      Shilochnik 30 November 2015 12: 37
      0
      Great!!!! Thank!!!! I will tell friends !!! :)
  7. TұrKBөrӨ
    TұrKBөrӨ 30 November 2015 08: 02
    0
    XM 2010 ESR

    XM 2010 ESR
    This is what VM MP-UOS looks like.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 November 2015 13: 39
      0
      What is the XM 2010 ESR?
      HM2010 (formerly known as M24E1) is a deep modernization of the army sniper rifle M24commissioned by the US military by Remington Arms. The purpose of this modernization was to improve both the operational characteristics of the weapon, and increase its combat data - primarily the maximum effective firing range. From the original M24 rifle, in fact, there was only a receiver from the Remington model 700 rifle, historically designed for Magnum class cartridges. Everything else - a box, a trunk, a bolt group, a trigger mechanism, is performed anew. The manufacturer claims that when using the Mk.248 Mod. 1 caliber .300 Winchester Magnum cartridges that are in service in the USA, the XM2010 sniper rifle will provide an effective firing range of about 1200-1300 meters and an accuracy of 1 MOA or less. Currently (the end of 2010), the U.S. Army plans include reworking at least 2 M500 rifles in the XM24 variant for subsequent shipment to existing troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

      XM2010 Enhanced Sniper Rifle / M2010 ESR

      US Army M24
  8. La-5
    La-5 30 November 2015 08: 43
    +4
    And what about sniper Hopak not pleasantly hidden? smile
    1. crumb
      crumb 30 November 2015 10: 31
      +2
      too cheeky
  9. Belousov
    Belousov 30 November 2015 08: 49
    +3
    Of course, a very effective weapon does not roll towards a "revolution" in the arms business.
  10. erased
    erased 30 November 2015 10: 10
    +1
    In Ukraine, the Soviet stock is running out, including one suitable for modernization and use. But there is nothing new. Therefore, Forts and all sorts of Kids are riveted. And the troops are driving 203 mm B-4 howitzers. But even with these weapons they can do things, for Soviet technology has always been at its best! So Ukraine has yet to lead to a normal battle. But how and when - this question is still open.
  11. the47th
    the47th 30 November 2015 10: 26
    +2
    I wonder what prevented them from simply putting the sight mount on a regular mosinka? It would be cheaper, and the efficiency would not drop much. The adjustable butt, pontovoy bipod are effective in high-precision rifles in the hands of professionals, and here the usual mosinka in the hands of an ordinary warrior. Another attempt to show: "Look, Rashka, we can do everything without you!"
  12. Kibl
    Kibl 30 November 2015 11: 34
    +1
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    1. bunta
      bunta 30 November 2015 11: 54
      +2
      With a bayonet they did a factory sighting. The attached bayonet affected the departure of the STP.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 30 November 2015 12: 02
      +1
      Quote: KIBL
      a standard mosquito without an attached bayonet sharply decreased firing accuracy.

      No, they just shot her with a bayonet. You can shoot her without a bayonet. The question is different: Mosinka sniper rifles were taken almost immediately at the exit from the plant. in the distant 40s. What indicators will the "new" weapon from the old barrel give? What is the accuracy, what is the spread?
    3. Darth Vader
      Darth Vader 30 November 2015 12: 03
      +1
      Mosinka "dragoon" model, ie. Model 1891/1930 were fired with a bayonet, carbines and sniper rifles - without a bayonet.
    4. GRAY
      GRAY 30 November 2015 12: 12
      +1
      Quote: KIBL
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      Nothing was going down. Just shot with a bayonet, you can shoot without a bayonet - it makes no difference.
  13. gla172
    gla172 30 November 2015 11: 47
    +3
    Here he is, personally dug .... fo yu ...

    In general, there is nothing to improve, everything is all right there ..
    Mosin knew what he was doing!
  14. bazilio
    bazilio 30 November 2015 12: 39
    +3
    Yes, do not let you get bored)))
    In general, it turns out okay, cheap but with good performance.
    There are no photos and no frames of the shutter handle. If we are talking about a regular three-ruler, it should be direct, which is not very convenient.
    Freely hung trunk is buzzing. A detachable store is also buzzing, but not fundamentally. Aluminum ... ahem ... the casing of the receiver / barrel is very much like a barrel.
    In the video, another smiled - the whole "zbroya" of Ukrainian production, and not the tables are Galilas, Galilas ACE, Tavors and so on ... Is this such a ridiculous nonsense or is it licensed copies of Israeli weapons of Ukrainian origin?
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    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 30 November 2015 19: 33
      0
      Quote: bazilio
      Yes, do not let you get bored)))
      In general, it turns out okay, cheap but with good performance.
      There are no photos and no frames of the shutter handle. If we are talking about a regular three-ruler, it should be direct, which is not very convenient.
      Freely hung trunk is buzzing. A detachable store is also buzzing, but not fundamentally. Aluminum ... ahem ... the casing of the receiver / barrel is very much like a barrel.
      In the video, another smiled - the whole "zbroya" of Ukrainian production, and not the tables are Galilas, Galilas ACE, Tavors and so on ... Is this such a ridiculous nonsense or is it licensed copies of Israeli weapons of Ukrainian origin?

      Since 2009, under the Israeli license, several samples of small arms have been produced. The original was called TAR-21.
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 2 December 2015 15: 24
        0
        Quote: Normal ok
        The original was called TAR-21

        Well, I said so- TAR-21 is TAVOR assault rifle
  15. martin-159
    martin-159 30 November 2015 12: 45
    0
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    1. Mik13
      Mik13 30 November 2015 13: 08
      0
      Quote: martin-159
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  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 November 2015 15: 23
    +1
    A disgrace. The new rifle - and the barrels from the old Soviet warehouses. And those are splashed. There is no trunk production in dill - none at all. And no money, create such a production. And it is right.
  17. Vadim237
    Vadim237 30 November 2015 15: 25
    0
    This is a nonsense rifle, but the fact that Ukraine supplies Berett - things are very serious.
    1. tracer
      tracer 1 December 2015 00: 56
      0
      Quote: Vadim237
      but the fact that Ukraine supplies Berett - things are very serious

      I completely agree. Barrett (it was never possible to shoot), but I twist in my hands often (if possible) the device is very serious. In caliber 416 Very serious, most serious can be said. Forgive me fans of SVD (the fan himself). The only negative at such speeds trunks do not live long. But the trunks are often interchangeable.
  18. lexx2038
    lexx2038 30 November 2015 15: 30
    +2
    The Mosin rifle is an outstanding weapon in itself, and if it is correctly modified and executed using modern precision equipment and modern materials, then it will undoubtedly be one of the very best for a long time to come. Have the Ukrainians fulfilled these requirements - time will tell.
    1. tracer
      tracer 1 December 2015 01: 03
      0
      Quote: lexx2038
      The Mosin rifle is an outstanding weapon in itself, and if it is correctly modified and executed using modern precision equipment and modern materials, then it will undoubtedly be one of the very best for a long time to come. Have the Ukrainians fulfilled these requirements - time will tell.

      YOU are right, but one BUT. It was an outstanding rifle of its time. As well as PPSh, PPS, T-34 and much more. in 1985, the first domestic wristwatch "Slava" also seemed to me the height of electronic technologies. And the programmable calculator MK 61 was generally from the realm of fantasy. Times change. But the laws of physics have not changed.
  19. fa2998
    fa2998 30 November 2015 18: 58
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    Quote: perm23
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    I think so with the mass used Mosinka, the sniper rifle will be on the "C grade." In the past, when they made in the Patriotic War, they chose barrels for a sniper in production, and they were new, ideal. put, but the trigger remained a hundred years ago. No adjustments, everything is primitive. The fighting qualities of a sniper rifle are not because there are bipods, "picartini", and an adjustable butt. hi
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 30 November 2015 19: 21
    0
    They took the barrel from Mosin, fastened a picatini, screwed on the optics and a plastic butt, but what's the know-how ?? We also take old Maxim, we hook the entire plastic body kit and both on ............ another victory !!
  21. Normal ok
    Normal ok 30 November 2015 19: 40
    0
    In the spring of this year, the Ukrainian media quoted one official: "Artyomovsk armored vehicle base: COMPLETELY removed. In total, 1900 armored vehicles were removed, because finding it 40 km from the front line made everyone very nervous. Both us and" them ". Artyomovsk central weapons depots: 95% of all modern small arms have been removed, now the last consignments are being removed. Remains at the base - Thompson assault rifles, Nagant and Mauser pistols, Mosin’s three-line rifles of 1891 (15 pieces), captured German MG34 and MG42 machine guns, and other museum exotics. PPSh ... Maxim's machine guns, oh ... They are also taken out, along the way thinking about their future fate. "
    And it was only in one warehouse !!!
  22. IAlex
    IAlex 30 November 2015 22: 22
    0
    Shiziki, how can a military sniper rifle of the late 19th century model be by modern standards, if then the precision of the manufacturing technology was millimeter, and today it is micrometer, as a result of which the accuracy of firing at long distances should be distinguished by a few steps ...
    1. Ostost
      Ostost 1 December 2015 16: 51
      0
      Quote: IAlex
      Shiziki, how can a military sniper rifle of the late 19th century model be by modern standards, if then the precision of the manufacturing technology was millimeter, and today it is micrometer, as a result of which the accuracy of firing at long distances should be distinguished by a few steps ...

      The Mosin rifle was adopted in 1891, but this does not mean that the rifles in the warehouses were made at the end of the 19th century.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 1 December 2015 18: 34
        -2
        Quote: OstOst
        Quote: IAlex
        Shiziki, how can a military sniper rifle of the late 19th century model be by modern standards, if then the precision of the manufacturing technology was millimeter, and today it is micrometer, as a result of which the accuracy of firing at long distances should be distinguished by a few steps ...

        The Mosin rifle was adopted in 1891, but this does not mean that the rifles in the warehouses were made at the end of the 19th century.

        Do you see laziness?
        Years of production: 1891-1965

        The youngest of the 50 years old in storage, but how did the industry step in half a century .................... Will we discuss it?
  23. Ostost
    Ostost 1 December 2015 16: 49
    0
    Before Ukrainian gunsmiths, there was one big problem before - there was no own production of barrels, and in the days of Yanukovych sanctions for the supply of weapons were imposed on Ukraine. Now they are removed, but the problem has not completely disappeared - buying trunks is expensive and there is no need to talk about any mass production. According to this, they found a way out of this situation - in the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Mosinok alone had about 300 pieces, I don’t think that they all had worn trunks, many rifles probably went to the warehouse directly from production and were not used. tnom approach to business can turn out quite battle-worthy sample of the weapon, which in combined units can replace the same SVD (well, Barretts for specialists). Everything seems to be logical.
  24. Ostost
    Ostost 1 December 2015 18: 56
    -1
    Quote: APASUS
    Quote: OstOst
    Quote: IAlex
    Shiziki, how can a military sniper rifle of the late 19th century model be by modern standards, if then the precision of the manufacturing technology was millimeter, and today it is micrometer, as a result of which the accuracy of firing at long distances should be distinguished by a few steps ...

    The Mosin rifle was adopted in 1891, but this does not mean that the rifles in the warehouses were made at the end of the 19th century.

    Do you see laziness?
    Years of production: 1891-1965

    The youngest of the 50 years old in storage, but how did the industry step in half a century .................... Will we discuss it?

    There is no need to discuss ... but this model may well become a replacement for the SVD in the army, I do not think that it was developed by stupid people who do not know anything in weapons (even taking into account the notorious dough cut).
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 3 December 2015 00: 10
      +1
      Quote: OstOst
      that it was developed by stupid people who know nothing about weapons

      They are, but you are unfortunately far from realities.
      Let's figure it out - the question is number of times - the cost of reworking the manufacture of a new stock on the CNC of the store and the butt will not be the most expensive - the most expensive will be the process of selecting rifles suitable for rework, imagine a warehouse with a huge number of stacks of boxes in which rifles are mixed, in different states and different years of release - but they have only one thing in common - they are all mothballed, what does this mean for rifles put in storage 60 years ago? This means that the rifles are pieces of petrified solid oil mixed with inhibited paper and the whole thing needs to be disassembled, washed and cleaned, assembled and shot. When weapons are reopened for cutting in MMG or hunting options, this is not critical, since 99,9 rifles will go into action, but when 1-2 rifles out of 100 are taken away, this is already a problem and a headache. As a result, the price tag for this practically one-piece product per circle will be no lower than, for example, 700 rem in 308 caliber, with the characteristics obviously not the best, but in fact worse than those of the latter. The main problem will be in high-quality cartridges - Ukraine will have no problems with sniper cartridges in .308 - "friends" will help, but with Mosinsky cartridges it is far from so simple - there are no own capacities - the only cartridge plant is, as it were, in Lugansk stolen and not sold from warehouses of Soviet-made warehouses with long-term storage periods, it will work for machine guns, but sniper accuracy should no longer be expected from them, what is left in the warehouses of the former ATS countries is also 25 years ago, and even mention the possibility of purchasing in Russia it is not worth buying commerce very expensively - so there is a rifle but no cartridge. So the usual urya-patriotic product like "hopak" - "baby" and other wunderwaffe.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 3 December 2015 16: 06
        +1
        Quote: gross kaput
        As a result, the price tag for this almost piece production will not be lower than for example at 700 rem in 308 caliber with characteristics notoriously not the best but in fact worse than the last

        Hello namesake! By the way, I can say what the fuck is an authentic dill rifle? The XM2010 assembly kit for the US government costs 1100 bucks. And these weapons can come at the same prices in Ukraine, in the form of assistance. On November 12, about 70 such sets were handed over to Ukraine. Well, the characteristics of the dill samopal speak for themselves ....
        1. gross kaput
          gross kaput 3 December 2015 19: 10
          +1
          Quote: Timeout
          And these weapons can come at the same prices in Ukraine, in the form of assistance. On November 12, about 70 such sets were handed over to Ukraine

          Yes, I'm talking about another populist hurray-peremoga like "Gopak the Baby", everyone there understands everything perfectly and all these shows of the wunderwafel are just a game for the audience.
  25. gross kaput
    gross kaput 2 December 2015 23: 49
    0
    Quote: Mik13
    I assure you, out of 10 warehouse unshootened 1-2 trunks will be quite on the level.

    But after all, what a byaka - "warehouse not fired" these are mainly military-made rifles with a quality corresponding to that period, which was clearer than the Czechs in the early 50s adopted a VZ 54 sniper rifle made on the basis of a mosinka - well, the main reason for the constant failure the production plan was the lack of rifles suitable for alteration, as an example of 16 tested, only 000 were accepted for alteration, and this despite the fact that the Czechs put their new-made barrel, and chose from practically new warehouse rifles! So the percentage of rifles suitable for alteration in the warehouses of Ukraine is vanishingly small - firstly, the weapons are mixed there - i.e. and practically killed of the 2500rd category and practically new but of military release - and when laying for storage, no one was engaged in sorting weapons into boxes, storage conditions can also very strongly affect the state of the weapon, there is even such an expression in relation to the state - " wet warehouse ", and in the third last 3 years, mosinki have been intensively sold for export, sawed in MMG and almost everything worthy has already been chosen.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 3 December 2015 01: 40
      0
      Quote: gross kaput
      Only, after all, what a byaka - "warehouse not fired" these are mainly military-made rifles with the quality corresponding to that period,

      Maybe. But in Artyomovsk, in a salt mine - warehouses of absolutely indecent dimensions.
      Well and then - taking into account the peculiarities of the alteration - they do not need anything except the barrel from it.

      They do not need something like the Lobaevsky cars. They need a massive inexpensive sniper rifle in the troops.
      Trunks of this level Ukraine in large quantities does not produce. Nowhere.
      And on the basis of these barrels, they can get a relatively inexpensive rifle under a massive cartridge. With the ability to hit targets on 800-1000 meters. If such rifles are at the forefront of the order of 1000 at least - the effect will be much more painful than from 10 super snipers.

      The only question is the cartridge, but again - they also need a little sniper. They will raise the warehouses, select batches that roughly correspond to the requirements ...
  26. gross kaput
    gross kaput 3 December 2015 19: 08
    0
    Quote: Mik13
    And on the basis of these barrels, they can get a relatively inexpensive rifle under a massive cartridge. With the ability to hit targets at 800-1000 meters

    The maximum range of a sniper shot is limited by the range of the bullet from supersonic to subsonic and that for 7,62X54 that for .308 is approximately 800 meters, which is why snipers are now switching to .300WM .338LM - not because of an increase in energy, as some mistakenly believe, but due to the increase in the range of transition of the bullet to subsonic and, accordingly, the increase in the range of the aimed sniper shot. But it’s so, half the battle, it’s not possible to find a minute mosquito with a full-fledged barrel - for there are none in nature, and if one or two are satiated then this will be the only exception confirming the rule, a sniper mosquito will allow a maximum of 2 MOA to be squeezed out and this is not on the machine gun a cartridge and on a sniper or sports which Ukraine simply does not have and there’s nothing to take and where, i.e. the effective range of such an ersatz will not be higher than that of a standard SVD with the usual 57-H-323 - only Ukraine has the last in warehouses, but this wunderwaffle must be made for money.
    Quote: Mik13
    If there are about 1000 such rifles at the forefront, at least

    Once again, for those who do not read other people's posts - Dragunov in his memoirs on the history of the creation of the SVD emphasized that the most difficult thing was to achieve high accuracy in the series, since sniper mosquitoes were selected from gross rifles on average 5 out of 100 shots and this is from the new ones just released rifles i.e. the percentage of the stocked life-long and stored for 60 years in a stock of rifles suitable for accuracy will be even lower than no more than 1-2 rifles per 100. What is it to re-preserve 100 rifles? Here, while from 4 AK stores you scrape off all the solid oil, you’ll go crazy and you stink all of the grease and kerosene, and dismantle 100 for your thousand rifles, assemble, and shoot at least a hemorrhage for a regiment of weapons technicians.
  27. master.30.ru
    master.30.ru 5 December 2015 14: 31
    +1
    CHANGE FACING AND CONSIDER SELF-GENIUS. Personally, I like EXHAUST more.