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PLA Navy Opportunities to Combat Carrier Strike Groups. Part 1

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In recent years, the modernization of the armed forces has been taking place against the background of the shock growth rates of the economy in the PRC. Over the past ten years, the military budget of China in dollar terms has doubled and amounted to 2014 billion, according to the Stockholm Institute for Peace Studies in the 216 year. For comparison: US defense spending was $ 610 billion, and Russia $ 84,5 billion.

Together with strategic nuclear forces, ground forces and aviation the navy is also actively developing. Since the 90s, the navy of the People's Liberation Army of China has been actively replenished by the purchase of warships in Russia. But in the past few years, this practice is a thing of the past. In China annually transmitted the fleet several large warships of their own construction, including diesel and nuclear submarines, frigates and guided missile destroyers weapons.

Taking into account foreign experience, developed and mass-produced in Chinese enterprises: rocket boats, frigates, destroyers and large landing ships. At the same time, China believes that “all means are good” in strengthening the country's defense capability. When designing warships, the Chinese do not disdain ideas and technical solutions obtained through the use of “technical espionage”. Modern destroyers, corvettes and large amphibious ships, recently built in the People's Republic of China, are a bizarre mix of Soviet and Western technologies with national Chinese flavor.

At present, China is moving away from the past practice of purchasing warships abroad, preferring to spend financial resources and create jobs within the country, providing orders for its own shipyards. In recent years, in China, the Chinese are not buying fully warships, but only some units, equipment and weapons. These are mainly modern anti-ship and air defense systems. At the same time, China is actively developing its own analogues. Unlike in previous years, now these are not “China-made” copies, and often original designs created by numerous Chinese research institutes.

In the Pacific direction, only warships of the Japan Self-Defense Forces can compete with the PLA Navy from the fleets of regional powers. But it is difficult to imagine that the leadership of Japan will decide to aggravate relations with China without the support and approval of the United States. Thus, the main potential adversary is still the 7 th operational fleet of the US Navy. The headquarters of the commander 7 of the US fleet is located in the naval base of Yokosuka (Japan).

As part of the 7 fleet on an ongoing basis there are at least one nuclear aircraft carrier of the Nimitz type and ten cruisers and destroyers of URO of the Tikonderoga and Arly Burk types. The carrier strike group also usually includes several multi-purpose nuclear submarines. American missile cruisers, destroyers and nuclear submarines, in addition to other weapons, carry the BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles with a launch range in a modification of Tomahawk Block IV to 1600 km. On board the Nimitz type aircraft carrier there are F / A-48 Hornet and Super Hornet 18 fighter-bomber aircraft.


Over the past 20 years, the Chinese Navy has evolved from a coastal voyage, whose main task was to defend the coast, into a full-fledged ocean fleet. The current goal of the PLA Navy is to build a near defensive perimeter, which China is building along its seacoast. In China, it is called the "first island chain." It includes the South China, East China and Yellow Sea. The distant perimeter of the defense extends into the open ocean, over a distance of 1500 nautical miles from the coast. The main purpose of the presence of the Chinese military fleet in this zone is to counter foreign warships carrying cruise missiles, as well as to the aircraft carriers on which the strike carrier-based aircraft is based.

Mainly, the Chinese fleet is faced with the task of protecting the coast of the People's Republic of China, along which most of the population lives in favorable climatic conditions and is located around 70% of industrial enterprises. This can be clearly seen from the way administrative-industrial and defense facilities are covered with air defense systems in the territory of the PRC.


The location of the radar and the air defense system in the territory of the PRC (blue diamonds - radar, color figures - the air defense system)


In addition, recently the naval component of the Chinese 094-type SSNS, which carry 12 ballistic missiles JL-2 with 8 range 000 km, began to conduct combat patrols in areas controlled by Chinese surface forces and aircraft.

Chinese naval forces consist of 3 operational fleets: North, East and South. As of the beginning of the 2015, the PLA Navy had 972 ships, including: one aircraft carrier, 25 destroyer squadrons, 48 frigates and 9 atomic and 59 diesel submarines, 228 landing ships, 322 patrol ships, 38. and 52 auxiliary vessels.

As already mentioned, in the 21st century, the Chinese navy from the coastal fleet became oceanic. In 2002, the PLA Navy squadron performed the first stories Chinese Navy circumnavigation of the Pacific, Indian and Atlantic. In 2012, the PLA Navy received the first aircraft carrier, which marked a new stage of development. All this demonstrates the increasing role of the fleet in ensuring the security of the country. In addition, the Chinese fleet is increasingly becoming an instrument of political influence and a weighty argument in numerous territorial disputes with its neighbors.


Surface fleet. Destroyers, frigates and corvettes

In 70-90, the construction of destroyers of the LYUD type 051 ave. Was carried out in the People's Republic of China. These were the Soviet 41 ave. Processed in the People's Republic of China. Unlike the USSR, where only one ship was built for this not very successful project, the PRC shipyards handed over the destroyers 17 to the Chinese fleet. The last of the ships, completed under the project 051G, entered the Southern Fleet in 1993 year. If you believe the directories, then most of the Chinese destroyers of this project are still formally part of the fleet.


EM pr 051


The main attack weapon of EM Ave 051 was the anti-ship complex HY-2 (C-201) with a launch range in a modernized version up to 100 km. The HY-2 rocket was created on the basis of the Soviet anti-ship missile missile system P-15 and is now considered obsolete due to the need for refueling with liquid fuel and an aggressive oxidizer, subsonic flight speed and low noise immunity.

PLA Navy Opportunities to Combat Carrier Strike Groups. Part 1

Starting RCC HY-2


Apparently, the CRP of this type will be dismissed along with the carriers that have not been upgraded by the EM 051 pr over the next few years.


Start RCC YJ-83


By the beginning of the 2000-x part of the ships of this project have been upgraded by the project 051G. Previously installed 2x3 PU HG-2 RCC were replaced with more modern - 4x4 PU RCC YJ-83 (C-803) with a launch range of 160 km. This is a fairly modern rocket with an active radar homing and turbojet engine accelerates at the final stage of flight to supersonic speed.

In the 1994 and 1996 years, two destroyers of the 052 Ave (Lühu type) entered the Chinese fleet. Compared to the EM Ave 051, they were larger, better armed and had a greater cruising range and seaworthiness. The ships were intended for striking anti-ship missiles at enemy surface ships, anti-submarine defense, as well as for fire support of the landing force and the shelling of coastal targets. For self-defense, they have a HQ-7 near-field air defense missile system, created on the basis of the French anti-aircraft system Crotale. The main means of combating surface targets is the anti-ship complex YJ-83 with sixteen anti-ship missiles.



EM Ave 052


The design of these destroyers was conducted in the early to mid-80-x, in times of improving relations between China and Western countries. When creating destroyers, the Chinese relied on American, British and French technical assistance. However, after the events on Tiananmen Square and the ensuing Western embargo on the supply of weapons and dual-use technologies had to rely on themselves. This significantly increased the time of construction of ships and limited the series.

The first surface combat ships in the Chinese fleet, capable of delivering truly effective strikes on the AUG at a considerable distance from its shore, were the destroyers of 956E avenue, delivered from Russia, armed with the Mosquito supersonic anti-ship missiles. The first “Hangzhou” ship was handed over to China at the end of 270 of the year, and the second “Fuzhou” at the end of 1999 of the year. In 2000-2005, two more destroyers, Taizhou and Ningbo, built according to the improved design of 2006EM avenue, added to the PLA Navy combat composition. In total, these four destroyers capable of operating in the ocean zone carry the 956 RCC with a launch range of up to 32 km and a maximum speed of about 120M.


Chinese destroyers pr. 956E and 956EM


The incident 956 erected from Russia by the destroyers pr. 1 was connected to 2001 on April 100 in 3 km from the Chinese island of Hainan. EP-8E Airis II, an electronic reconnaissance aircraft that monitored these ships, collided with J-3II, a Chinese interceptor fighter, while attempting to drive them out of the exercise area. As a result of the collision, the Chinese plane fell into the sea, and its pilot was killed. The American "electronic spy" under the threat of weapons was planted at the Lingshui airfield on the Chinese island of Hainan. Subsequently, the American side apologized for the incident and paid monetary compensation to the widow of the deceased Chinese pilot. The Chinese were able to get acquainted in detail with the American intelligence and encryption equipment installed on EP-2001E Airyz II. Only in July, the X-NUMX of the year, EP-3E, in fact, in the form of scrap metal, was returned to the United States aboard the An-124-100 Russian Ruslan of the Polet airline.

In the Soviet and Russian fleets, the destroyers of the 956 Ave had the dubious fame of ships with very capricious, high literacy requirements for operation and maintenance, the main power plant. However, the experience of the use of these destroyers in the PLA Navy demonstrates that, with proper performance discipline, regular maintenance and repair, these are quite reliable and capable warships.

The further development of the Chinese fleet destroyers project 051В (like "Lühai"). Chinese shipbuilders while maintaining the functionality of the ship, by increasing the geometric dimensions of the hull tried to significantly increase the cruising range and autonomy.


Destroyer "Shenzhen" project 051В


The experience was not very successful, only one ship was built - the “Shenzhen”, transferred to the PLA Navy in the 1999 year. However, this destroyer was actively involved in a number of long hikes. In 2000, he visited a number of ports in Africa, and in 2001, he visited ports in the UK, Germany, Italy and France. His main strike weapons, as well as on EM Ave 051G, are YN-16 83 PKR on 4x4 PU.

In the 2007 year, two destroyers of the 051S Ave: "Shenyang" and "Shijiazhuang" set foot on the Chinese Navy. While preserving the architectural and structural features of the 051 project, the main emphasis in the creation of these ships was placed on strengthening their anti-aircraft systems. The main purpose of destroyers pr. 051С is to provide air defense of operational connections of surface ships.


Destroyer Ave 051C


A special feature of the destroyers pr. 051С is the presence of launchers ZRS C-300F ("Rif-M") of Russian production. There are a total of six launchers with 48 ready to launch missiles with a range of 90 kilometers and altitudes of 30 km.

The 052 project served as the basis for a number of ships that were more advanced in terms of equipment, armament and seaworthy qualities. Destroyers of projects 052В and 052С became much larger than their “ancestor”. The main difference between the 052В and others. 052С was the functional purpose of the ships that have much in common in terms of hull and power base.

The destroyers of 052B ave. (Of the “Guangzhou” type) carry 16 anti-ship missiles YJ-83, the ship’s air defense system is provided with two Shtil anti-aircraft missile systems with a range of aerial targets down to 50 km. The lead ship "Guangzhou" and, followed by the "Wuhan", entered service in 2004 year.


EM pr 052C


The destroyers of the 052S Ave. are ships designed to provide group air defense for a squadron of surface ships. Under this project, two destroyers were built, which entered service in 2004-2005. They are armed with a Chinese-made HQ-9 air defense system, which is based on the Russian C-300F. The number of PU YCR-YN-62 (C-602) on board was reduced to eight. However, the YJ-62 has a significantly larger hit area (83 versus 400) compared to the anti-ship missile defense, but the YJ-160 has a subsonic flight speed, which significantly increases its vulnerability to air defenses.


Start RCC YJ-62


The rocket entered service with the PLA Navy in 2004. During its creation, technical solutions of the Soviet KR X-55 were used, rocket samples and technical documentation were obtained from Ukraine.

The top of the evolution of Chinese destroyers today is the Ijis-like Ave 052D, it has a new multi-function radar with an active phased antenna array, as well as a modern integrated weapons control system.



EM pr 052D


Due to the increase in length and width, the 64 module of the vertical start PU module (two UVN by 32 cells) with the HQ-9А missile defense system, increased range firing range missiles and CR for hitting targets on land are placed on board. Thus, as part of the Chinese fleet in the near future there will be universal ships capable of performing a wide range of tasks, including striking cruise missiles at coastal targets.

Frigates are the most numerous class of large warships in the PLA Navy. Along with destroyers, they are capable of solving the tasks of anti-submarine defense, fighting surface ships, destroying airborne targets in the near-air defense zone of ship groups, and protecting the economic zone of the PRC. The share of frigates of the Chinese fleet accounts for about 18% of the total number of anti-ship missiles deployed on combat ships of the Chinese Navy.

In the period from 1986 to 1993, frigates of the 50 Avex (like "Jianghu") were built on the basis of the Soviet TFR of the 053 Ave. Their main purpose was the fight against surface ships in the coastal zone of China. To do this, the frigates had two twin PU KKR HY-2.

Between themselves, the frigates of various series of the 053 Ave. differed in the composition of the onboard equipment, communications and navigation equipment, as well as in various variants of artillery weapons. Part of the frigates in the first half of the 2000-x was re-equipped with anti-ship missiles YJ-83 4х2 PU.


Frigate Ave 053


The frigates of the first modifications of the 53 Ave. are now considered obsolete, they are rightly criticized for the ineffective anti-ship missiles, the lack of air defense missile systems and the site for the helicopter. Partially, these shortcomings are eliminated in the modernized URO frigate of the project 053Н2 (Jianghu-3). The structural and architectural view of the ship was modified and outwardly it began to resemble the next generation frigates. Under this project, seven frigates were built.


Frigate pr. 053H2G


In the 1990-1994 a series of four frigates of the 053H2G Ave. was built. The armament of ships of this type includes the 3x2 PU CK YJ-82 (C-802) and the air defense system of the near zone HQ-61, in the rear part there is a platform for an anti-submarine helicopter.


Frigate pr. 053H3


From 1995 to 2005, the 10 frigates of the 053H3 Ave. (Jiangwei-2 type) were built. These ships are armed with a HQ-7 air defense system with 8 missiles and 2 PU on 4 anti-ship missiles YJ-83.

Since 2002, the shipyards of the China State Shipbuilding Corporation have been building frigates of the URO Ave. 054. This project is designed to replace obsolete frigates of the 053H Ave. A number of technical solutions, typical for modern ships of this class, have been introduced in the 054 avenue ships. They have used technologies to reduce radar and thermal conspicuity, and vertical launchers have been installed.


Launch of the HQ-16 SAM from the Chinese frigate 054A


As of the middle of 2013, the shipbuilding enterprises located in the cities of Shanghai and Guangzhou transferred the 2 frigate 054 Ave. and 15 frigate 054A Ave to the Chinese fleet. On frigates built according to the improved 054A project, the outdated HQ-7 SAMs were replaced by the HQ-16 SAMs (32 SAM, 2х16 VPU), which is an analogue of the Russian Shtil-1 complex. The frigate has a helipad and a hangar. The main anti-ship weapon are the 8 YK-83 anti-ship missiles in two four PU launchers.

In February, the first 2013 corvette, the 056 Ave, entered service. The project of this ship was developed on the basis of the Pattani-type export corvette for the Thai Navy. The need for a coastal sailing patrol ship with powerful strike weapons and good crew living conditions, with a displacement within 1300-1500 tons, was already ripe in the 80s.


Corvette Ave 056


The corvette hull is made using elements that provide reduced radar visibility. The ships of the 056 Ave. are the first modular warships developed in the PRC. This allows, if necessary, it is quite easy to change the composition of equipment and weapons, without making changes to the main design of the corvette. Selection of modules allows you to create different options on the basis of one case. The following versions of the corvette were developed and offered to potential buyers: patrol, anti-submarine, strike, with enhanced air defense systems, staff and multi-purpose.

In addition to the torpedo and artillery weapons, the typical composition of the multi-purpose weaponry includes a new Chinese HQQ-10 near-field air defense system with a launch range of 9000 and 2х2 YU-83 PU. For the next decade in the People's Republic of China, to protect the coast and protect the economic zone, more than 50 “stealth corvettes” of the 056 ave in various configurations are planned.


Underwater fleet

PLA Navy submarine forces are among the largest in the world (the first in the number of diesel-electric submarines) and are third after the United States and Russia. Currently, the Chinese Navy has about 70 submarines in service. Chinese submarines carry about 15% of the NKF PKR Navy, approximately 80% of torpedoes and 31% of mine weapons.

Initially, 60-x, despite the deterioration in relations in the PRC, began, the documentation of the diesel-electric submarines of the project 633 was transferred. The construction of these boats on pr. 033 was conducted in the PRC until the 1983 year. A total of 84 boats of this type were built, some of them were exported. Currently the boats of the 633 Ave are outdated. During the construction and operation of diesel-electric submarines, the 033 Ave was repeatedly upgraded. They installed high-capacity batteries, French sonar systems and modern electronic equipment. But the composition of the main equipment and weapons has not changed much. Almost all the submarines of this type are withdrawn from the operational composition of the PLA Navy, a number of them can be used for training purposes.


DEPL pr 035


On the basis of the diesel-electric submarines of the 033 Ave. From the previous project, "Min" differs in another design of the hull and power plant. A total of 035 to 1975 years was built 2000 DEPL Ave 25. Currently, the number of boats of this project as part of the Chinese fleet is estimated at 035 units. The upgraded boats were referred to as pr. 20G and 035В. They are equipped with French passive gas and an improved fire control system. Against modern warships, boats of the 035 Ave. are limited in operation in coastal areas; they can also be involved in secretive mine settings. Part of the boat is used as a training and experimental for testing new weapons.

The latest achievement of the Chinese engineers in the field of diesel-electric submarines became the diesel-electric submarines of 039 ave. (Of the “Sung” type). This boat was created taking into account its own and partly Soviet experience, elements of the architecture of the French submarine of the Agosta type were also used.


DEPL pr 039


When creating this Chinese project, particular attention was paid to reducing the level of acoustic signature and improving the impact characteristics. The hull of the Chinese diesel-electric submarines is covered with a special anti-acoustic tiled coating, like on Russian boats of the 877 avenue.

The creation and fine-tuning of the boat went hard. Due to serious errors in the calculations and the novelty of many technical solutions, the noise and some other characteristics of the first boat did not match the planned ones. Great complaints were caused by the work of the BIUS and GAS equipment.

The first boat of the 039 Ave., launched in May 1994 of the year, was tested, refined and corrected for 5 years. The PRC leadership decided not to build boats of this type until the head submarine reaches a satisfactory level of combat and operational characteristics. Only after the completion of the project, which received the designation Ave. 039G, was a series of 15 boats, the last of which was commissioned in the 2007 year.

In general, the diesel-electric submarines of the 039G pr. Correspond to the level of the French and German boats of the mid 80-s. In addition to different types of torpedoes from standard 533 mm torpedo tubes, it is possible to launch underwater anti-ship missiles YJ-82 with a range of 120 km. This Chinese RCC is similar in its characteristics to Harpoon's UGM-84 Harpoon early modifications.

The commencement of serial construction and the adoption by the People’s Republic of China of the “Sun” type boats forced the American admirals to reconsider their views on the capabilities of the shipbuilding industry of the People’s Republic of China to create modern submarines and on the degree of “Chinese underwater threat”. The incident that happened on 26 in October on 2006 of the year confirmed that Americans ’concerns about the increased capabilities of the PRC submarine fleet are well founded. Then the Chinese submarine, 039G Ave., unnoticed, managed to approach the torpedo volley at a distance from the American aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk, which was at that moment in the international waters of the South China Sea. After that, the boat pointedly surfaced near the American squadron. The Chinese submarine was not detected by the AUG anti-submarine forces until its ascent.

The moral and physical obsolescence of the 033 and 035 boats, as well as the uncertainty with the new boat of its own design, forced the Chinese leadership to begin purchasing diesel-electric submarines in Russia. The first two boats of the ave. 877 EKM arrived in 1995 year. In the 1996 and 1999 years, two more boats of the 636 Ave. The difference between diesel-electric submarines of the 636 project and 877 EKM project is the application of new noise reduction technologies and modern on-board equipment.


Loading torpedoes 53-65КE on diesel-electric submarines pr.NUMXEKM Navy PLA


At the beginning of 2000-x, another eight boats of the 636М avenue were announced in Russia, which were “sharpened” under the 3M54Е1 Club-S anti-ship missiles, launched submerged from the depth of 30-40 m. Club-S missile with a range to 300 km represent the export version of the Russian missile complex "Caliber-PL". The missile is equipped with an active, interference-free radar GPS, which seizes a target at a distance of about 60 km. Most of its way to the goal, it passes at an altitude of 15-20 m at cruising subsonic speed. At a distance of about 20 km from the target, the rocket starts accelerating to a speed of about 3M, while it performs a zigzag anti-yen maneuver. In the event of an attack of large surface targets, a salvo launch of several anti-ship missiles is possible, which will attack the target from different directions.

In 2004, China began testing submarine pr 041 (type "Yuan"). "Chinese comrades" tried to embody the best qualities of the Russian 636M project in this project, taking into account their own capabilities. Initially it was planned to equip the boat with an auxiliary air-independent power plant. The composition of the ammunition "Yuan" includes anti-ship missiles YJ-82 or CX-1, launched through torpedo tubes.


DEPL pr 041


Apparently, it was not possible to surpass the Russian boats of the 636 Ave. Chinese submarine Ave 041. Anyway, so far nothing has been heard about the massive construction of these boats for the PLA Navy. At the same time, the pr. 041 is actively offered for export.

In 1967, the first Chinese torpedo submarine of the 091 avenue (Han type) was laid in the People's Republic of China, and it was formally put into operation in the 1974 year. But the elimination of numerous defects, including in the nuclear power plant, took another 6 years, and the boat began to perform combat service only in the 1980 year.


APL Ave 091


Just before 1991, the Chinese fleet received five submarines of this type. Despite the modernization of a number of units, on-board equipment and weapons, boats of this type by the beginning of the XXI century are hopelessly outdated. The introduction of the most recent atomic-powered anti-ship missiles YJ-8Q into the armament did not greatly enhance their ability to fight enemy surface ships. Since the launch of missiles is possible only in the surface position, and in terms of the noise level of the submarines of the 091, the 2,5-2,8 are inferior times in foreign boats of a similar class. Several Han-type submarines are still in the Navy, but their time has gone and these first boats with nuclear reactors, which have become a “classroom” for several generations of Chinese submariners, will soon be a thing of the past.

At the beginning of 2007, the main multi-purpose submarine of the 093 avenue (Shan type) entered into service. It was designed to replace the obsolete NPS Ave 091. According to its main characteristics, this Chinese boat roughly corresponds to the Soviet multi-purpose nuclear-powered ships of the project 671РТМ. As of the beginning of 2014, the PRC Navy had two submarines of the 093 Ave., the arrival of two more built on an improved project is expected in the near future.


APL Ave 093


Submarines Ave 093 have the ability to run through the torpedo tubes anti-ship cruise missiles YJ-82, while in a submerged position. There is also information that these submarines use new YJ-85 (C-705) with a launch range of up to 140 km. On the YJ-85 RCC, depending on the modification, active radar or infrared seers are used. Correction of the course on the cruise flight occurs on the signals of the satellite positioning system.

According to the ten-year program, it is expected that in the coming 10 years more 6 Shan-type boats will be built. In addition, in China, the design of new-generation submarines is underway, which, by their characteristics, should come close to the Russian and American nuclear submarines.

Based on:
http://www.navy.mil/index.asp
http://www.modernarmy.ru
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com
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  1. Dam
    Dam 24 November 2015 08: 00 New
    +7
    Frankly, I envy the determination of the Chinese. It is worth a lot to get out of a technologically backward country and become a leader without losing sovereignty and ideology. Judging by the description, the fleet can hardly be called advanced and oceanic, but there is no doubt that it will become such a pace of development. I really hope that our fleet will also receive the promised new ships on time.
    1. Lapkonium
      Lapkonium 24 November 2015 08: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: Damm
      without losing sovereignty and ideology


      You can’t build such a fleet on ideology alone. Deng Xiaoping traded a non-working ideology for the loud coin of capitalism - and he was right.

      I wonder what Russia (or even the USSR) would have looked like if instead of perestroika like Gorbachev, we would have had perestroika like Deng Xiaoping? The fleet would certainly be larger. But whether we could discuss it on this resource is a question.
      1. Dam
        Dam 24 November 2015 08: 37 New
        +6
        I would gladly exchange any resource for not knowing the bloody circus of 90-2000.
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 24 November 2015 10: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: Damm
          I would gladly exchange any resource for not knowing the bloody circus of 90-2000.

          Do you naively believe that China went through everything painlessly?
          I'm in 1994 was in Dalian, the city was already built up with skyscrapers and multi-level interchanges and overpasses, science fiction is simple ... But how ordinary people lived just hard, we never dreamed of such poverty, in 1994. After the Yeltsin pogrom, people here lived several orders of magnitude better than ordinary Chinese.
      2. Seaman77
        Seaman77 24 November 2015 08: 46 New
        +9
        Fresh photo of Chinese 956E. Made today 24/11/2015. Entrance to Ningbo.
        1. Seaman77
          Seaman77 24 November 2015 08: 51 New
          +2
          One more___________________
  2. Falcon
    Falcon 24 November 2015 09: 30 New
    +4
    Hello, Sergey!

    Very interesting, thanks. good

    It is doubtful that the 348-th radar on 52D is active. I think the sources embellish reality. request

    Logically, they should be of the L range. There are no such active gratings even on western destroyers - all are passive. Maybe I'm wrong of course request
    1. Bongo
      24 November 2015 13: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: Falcon
      Hello, Sergey!

      Hi, Kirill!
      Quote: Falcon
      Very interesting, thanks.

      Thank you! drinks
      Quote: Falcon
      It is doubtful that the 348-th radar on 52D is active. I think the sources embellish reality.

      It is possible that this is so ... the Chinese themselves do not comment on this, the information was taken from Western sites.
  3. Forest
    Forest 24 November 2015 09: 50 New
    +4
    China’s defense is rushing by leaps and bounds, soon the Japanese and Americans will begin to displace from the Pacific.
  4. Hydrograph
    Hydrograph 24 November 2015 10: 11 New
    +5
    Terrible rival: 972 ships, including: one aircraft carrier, 25 destroyers, 48 ​​frigates and 9 nuclear and 59 diesel submarines, 228 landing ships, 322 coast guard patrol ships, 52 minesweeper and 219 auxiliary vessels - and most recently on junks went. Stubborn and purposeful, and with each new project they gradually improve and improve. And notice (228 landing ships) what would it be?
    1. Yarik
      Yarik 24 November 2015 10: 45 New
      +2
      why should it? ... So that the Japs would scratch the turnip and forget about their nasty things that they had done before.
    2. Seba
      Seba 24 November 2015 11: 49 New
      +3
      Obviously, Taiwan and the disputed islands.
  5. tlauicol
    tlauicol 24 November 2015 11: 33 New
    +3
    I’m more interested in the YJ-83 rocket - the Chinese, apparently they weren’t wise with the third supersonic stage (as in Caliber), but simply developed or copied (the same Mikroturbo) turbojet engine, which cuts the fast and the furious at the time of the attack - a huge gain in simplicity, quantity, production and maintenance of missiles, with much less mass and dimensions! respectively, and the range of carriers: from a helicopter and a boat to a destroyer and a submarine
    1. Bongo
      24 November 2015 13: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Tlauicol
      I’m more interested in the YJ-83 rocket - the Chinese, apparently they weren’t wise with the third supersonic stage (as in Caliber), but simply developed or copied (the same Mikroturbo) turbojet engine, which cuts the fast and the furious at the time of the attack - a huge gain in simplicity, quantity, production and maintenance of missiles, with much less mass and dimensions! respectively, and the range of carriers: from a helicopter and a boat to a destroyer and a submarine


      Yes, this is one of the very successful Chinese developments. The first YJ-8 that appeared at the end of the 80's had a solid-fuel engine and a launch range of about 60 km from the aircraft. On the following modifications appeared turbojet engine and range increased several times.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 24 November 2015 14: 10 New
        0
        The Swedes with RBS15 did the same 30 years ago. Dual-mode turbojet accelerates and that's it. There is no exact speed data, but most likely, it switches to close supersonic using afterburner. It is much simpler than inventing a multi-ton three-stage log-nested doll, and then thinking about remaking carriers
  6. Scraptor
    Scraptor 24 November 2015 12: 14 New
    0
    Anti-aircraft guns only on EM pr.052, are relatively right (sixth photo, the first with it) ...
  7. Amurets
    Amurets 24 November 2015 12: 23 New
    +3
    Sergei! Hello! I’m delighted. The Chinese air forces are generally a closed topic. You know yourself. You can still collect something from the foreign counterparts in the ZRK, and I only have the book of the Yu.V. Vedernikov in the fleet. The Red Dragon: Modern Chinese Navy. Series Fleet of the Pacific Ocean. Despite all the closedness of the Navy of China, it is truly unique material. Thank you! Well done!
    1. Bongo
      24 November 2015 13: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Amurets
      Sergey! Hello! I’m delighted. The Chinese air forces are generally closed topic. You know.

      Hi Nikolay! Thank! drinks Closed is not the right word ... wassat Yes, I know, I had to shovel a lot of sources, both ours and Western. For the Chinese Navy and naval aviation, it was very frankly inaccurate and outdated information, although it tried to "filter", but it was possible that I could not do without flaws and inaccuracies. request
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 24 November 2015 14: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Bongo
        For the Chinese Navy and naval aviation, although it tried to "filter" very frankly inaccurate and outdated information, it was possible that I did not pass without flaws and inaccuracies

        Bomber aircraft, the product is long-lived. The fleet is all the more so. With proper care and modernization, the materiel has been used for decades. The S-125 air defense system is still relevant. It’s the same as the Improved Hawk in the USA and Europe. But tracking Chinese news is really hard .When I worked, recently in geological exploration. They got a compressor from China up to 100ati. And although these products were equipped with Caterpillar diesel engines with electronic control, there were no software disks or technical documentation except the most general one. Everything was classified. We had to either buy new equipment or move our brains to adapt the existing one. There were no warranty problems, the Chinese either repaired or replaced them for a week, but with a used head they had enough. What am I doing? Through customs, drill pipes went like blanks of gun trunks and compressor and other equipment, like auxiliary military equipment. I did not believe until the chief engineer showed me the documents. I was stunned, we never had problems with Cummins and Doytsy. Apart from books, electronic machines and electronic textbooks also came to new machines. This is for the rest of the forum users, so that it is clear how difficult it is to get information about civil engineering from China about I do not say military.
        1. Bongo
          24 November 2015 14: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Amurets
          Bomber aircraft, a long-lived product. The fleet even more so. With proper care and modernization, the materiel has been around for decades.

          You can't argue with that ... yes
          Quote: Amurets
          Through customs, drill pipes went as billets of gun barrels, and compressor and other equipment as auxiliary military equipment.

          Fig yourself ... belay
          In the north of the region, logging companies have a large part of timber carriers now made in China. Guys praise.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 24 November 2015 15: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            In the north of the region, logging companies have a large part of timber carriers now made in China. Guys praise.

            The machinery and equipment are quite reliable, there are no complaints, but due to the lack of guidance documents, as well as protection from the "fool", it leads to similar incidents. Thus, the DES was burned, and the rest of the equipment was disabled. And then they say Chinese. A Chinese-made electric drill worked two resources without repair, it would have worked longer, but it was unnecessary for us, and it would be cheaper to bring a new one to Krasnoyarsk.
            1. Bongo
              24 November 2015 15: 25 New
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              Quote: Amurets
              Machinery and equipment is quite reliable, no complaints

              In the Ulchi region, where I regularly go fishing in the winter, large areas are given to Chinese loggers. Only the Chinese work there, the forest is carried in their cars, their own drivers. So they spend the whole winter in cars without dying the engine. While one steers, the other rests.
              1. Falcon
                Falcon 24 November 2015 16: 14 New
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                Quote: Bongo
                . So they spend the whole winter in cars without dying the engine. While one steers, the other rests.


                Wow! Just like in the movie "Taxi" there was a moment when one Chinese is sleeping in the trunk, and the other drives.

                I do not live in the north, but I am familiar with one office - a standing road in the region of Surgut.
                Communicated with their transporters. Chinese dump trucks say in such conditions negative . Take Europeans - Volvo, MAN. By special technique, too - Caterpillar JhonDeer - the Chinese are scattering ....
                1. Bongo
                  25 November 2015 02: 16 New
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                  Quote: Falcon
                  Chinese dump trucks say in such conditions

                  I don’t know Cyril, request In our Far Eastern regions, there are a lot of dump trucks and timber trucks of Chinese production. No one complains, but KAMAZ wins in terms of load capacity.
                  1. Scraptor
                    Scraptor 25 November 2015 07: 25 New
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                    Maybe even BelAZ? And in terms of reliability?
  8. summer
    summer 24 November 2015 12: 33 New
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    Aw, googol!
    Google doesn’t catch mice at all. The card is some kind of left. Where is our North?
    The alternatives are damn!
    1. Bongo
      24 November 2015 13: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: summer
      Aw, googol!
      Google doesn’t catch mice at all. The card is some kind of left. Where is our North?

      Where is your North, I don’t know ... personally in my North. If you are talking about a satellite image showing air defense systems and radar, then it is specially rotated like that - for clarity. In order to capture the entire coastline of China. hi
      1. summer
        summer 24 November 2015 16: 54 New
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        Yes, I’m talking about a satellite image, which supposedly shows the air defense system and radar icons.
        It’s good for you, astronauts — rotate around the porthole 360 ​​degrees — there is no top, no bottom, no north, no south.
        Especially for you - a gift. Turned for clarity - the entire coastline of the PRC is visible. And consistent with general habits. Use it.

        Yes, it would be nice to spind a legend on the map. And then somehow solidly, the map was unfolded, various figures poured out. What to do with them? Why are all the rhombuses the same and the other figures different? And multi-colored. Why and why?

        If in science, then rhombuses are something shooting and self-propelled.
        And locators or RTBs are designated differently.

        In short, this military globe of the air defense of the Armed Forces of the People's Republic of China is the work of the grandfather of Liao, who served an urgent one even under Emperor Pu I. This is Henry.
        1. summer
          summer 24 November 2015 17: 01 New
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          Everything fits here. Even painted according to the rules of military science.
          "China - both kosher and Feng Shui ..."
        2. Bongo
          25 November 2015 02: 19 New
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          Quote: summer
          Especially for you - a gift. Turned for clarity - the entire coastline of the PRC is visible. And consistent with general habits. Use it.

          Well, thanks, what would I do without you. Do you really think that when writing a publication such an option was not considered?
          Quote: summer
          In short, this military globe of the air defense of the Armed Forces of the People's Republic of China is the work of the grandfather of Liao, who served an urgent one even under Emperor Pu I. This is Henry.

          It is not surprising that you were driven into the minuses with such judgments, although of course the matter is not in the rating as such. But one way or another indicator ...
          When writing this publication, in addition to their own knowledge, many modern open sources. Including foreign, referring to the report of American intelligence prepared for Congress. Although of course, if under Emperor Pu Yi in the PRC there were S-300PMU-2 and HQ-9 air defense systems - then of course ...
          Quote: summer
          If in science, then rhombuses are something shooting and self-propelled.
          And locators or RTBs are designated differently.

          The flag is in your hands, no one bothers to find places of deployment of Chinese air defense systems and radars and draw "according to science."
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 November 2015 14: 18 New
    +1
    Against the dense Chinese air defense F-22 and was created mainly.
    On the coast of China, under the guise of air defense, many medium-sized nuclear warheads
    range against Taiwan and Japan.
    And the Americans have military assistance treaties with these countries.
    Therefore, until recently, almost all Raptors kept on
    Pacific Ocean.
    1. Bongo
      24 November 2015 14: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Against the dense Chinese anti-aircraft defense, F-22 was mainly created. On the coast of China, under the cover of anti-aircraft defense, there are a lot of medium-sized nuclear warheads
      range against Taiwan and Japan.
      Only a small part of the F-22 is deployed in Japan at the Kaden airbase.
      Alexey, against Japan, and especially against Taiwan request Especially considering the fact that they are mainly deployed in the north of China, along the border with the Russian Federation.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 November 2015 15: 32 New
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        They are in Alaska, Hawaii. In California.
        Pacific pool, whatever one may say.
        Transferring to China is quick and easy.
        1. Bongo
          24 November 2015 15: 40 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          They are in Alaska, Hawaii. In California.
          Pacific pool, whatever one may say.
          Transferring to China is quick and easy.

          Only to Japan and Korea. From there, they can theoretically operate in the northeast of China. But the shock potential of the F-22A is not great.request
          If such a mess begins. That I will agree with you about the possibility of a blow DF-21.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 24 November 2015 16: 29 New
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            "But the shock potential of the F-22A is not great" ////

            The task of the F-22 there will be to erase the air defense (along with the Tomahawks)
            and thin out (as far as possible) the Chinese fighters before
            how will the "main forces" - aircraft carriers and strategists.
            True, the Chinese are building up their Air Force / Air Defense at such a rate that
            180 Raptors will soon not be enough even for these modest tasks what .
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 November 2015 15: 36 New
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        "against Japan, and especially against Taiwan, the BDSD is not needed" ///

        I don’t know ... Data for 2012 year ...
        Taiwan newspaper
        http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/09/04/2003541913

        The number of ballistic and cruise missiles aimed by China's Second Artillery Corps
        at Taiwan has grown from 1,400 last year to more than 1,600 this year,
        which poses a serious threat to the nation, the Ministry of National Defense (MND)
        said in its China Military Power Report 2012.
        1. Bongo
          24 November 2015 15: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          I don’t know ... Data for 2012 year ...
          Taiwan newspaper
          http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/09/04/2003541913

          OTD DF-15 and DF - 11 are aimed at Taiwan, of which about 500 units are in the PRC.

          Data ten years ago.
      3. Amurets
        Amurets 24 November 2015 15: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        Especially considering the fact that they are mainly deployed in the north of China, along the border with the Russian Federation.

        Sergey! I don’t know why the BRS is located along our border, nevertheless they are located beyond the 100-kilometer zone, but there is no bright hostility among our local Chinese. They are against the statement of some KHANTSEV who are trying to call for a march on Russia. Local Chinese believe Russia, a place where you can make good money, by their standards, is understandable. There isn’t what happened in the 50s, but there isn’t what happened in the 1969-1970 goals, when we replaced carbines with automatic rifles, and on combat duty weapons was at hand.
        1. Bongo
          24 November 2015 15: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Amurets
          Sergey! I don’t know why the Belarusian Republican Infantry Division is located along our border, after all, they are located beyond the 100-kilometer zone, but there is no bright hostility among our local Chinese

          Nikolay, what is 100 km for a mobile complex of BRDS? From Chinese territory, they are quite finishing up to Moscow. I do not want to escalate and doubt their friendliness, but the most combat-ready and well-armed units are also located not in the south of China. Alas, the fact remains ...
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 25 November 2015 02: 38 New
            -1
            Quote: Bongo
            I do not want to escalate and doubt their friendliness, but the most combat-ready and well-armed units are also located not in the south of China. Alas, the fact remains ...

            Sergey! Hello today! Something I have on this topic. I can’t provide links to everything. But the decisions of the CCP before the 2008 Beijing Olympics are very alarming, but not in the military plan. You can laugh, but in China the problem of women and The CCP at the highest level decided to support joint families with Russian roots and to reduce the number of Russian men.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 24 November 2015 15: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And the Americans have military assistance treaties with these countries.

      In principle, an interesting situation turns out. All of Taiwan's industry is either transferred to the ownership of the industrialists in mainland China or is jointly owned, exactly the same situation in China. It seems to me, regardless of the political solution to the problem, economically these two parts of China will soon unite.
    3. Scraptor
      Scraptor 25 November 2015 06: 51 New
      0
      against rare air defense in any region. with saturated air defense they lose their advantage
  10. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 24 November 2015 14: 43 New
    +3
    It is very significant how our Pacific Fleet and the Chinese fleet have changed since the middle of 90's.
    20 years ago we had an overwhelming superiority over the PLA Navy. Currently, the large ships in our Pacific Fleet can be counted on the fingers of one hand, while the Chinese have increased by an order of magnitude.
  11. Odysseus
    Odysseus 24 November 2015 18: 23 New
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    Wonderful article. That's just why there are two destroyers 052C? There are 6 of them.
    The composition of the Navy of the People's Republic of China for destroyers: 2 destroyers 052D, 6 052С, 4-956 (2 on modernization), 2-052,2-052В, 2-051С, 1-051В, 6-051. In total, there are 25 pieces, of which 19 more or less modern.
    Submarines of China are strictly a secret topic, but the estimate of the number of 093 in 2 ships is underestimated. At least 4 are in operation. In addition, new 095 are being built.
    PS And with the 956 boilers, the Chinese still suffered too much)) Although, of course, they exploit more culturally than we did in the 90s. Yes, and their ships are newer.
  12. mvg
    mvg 24 November 2015 22: 13 New
    +2
    If, God forbid, the United States somewhere gets involved in a big way .. For example, with us in Syria. China will push Taiwan. That's where 228 landing troops are needed .. And there are kayaks and canoes .. wink
    25 EM is not 65 Berkov, but it is strong ... True, they are far from Japan or South Korea .. UNTIL
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 25 November 2015 00: 00 New
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      Quote: mvg
      True, they are far from Japan or South Korea ..

      belay Why do you think so ?
      Let's say the fleet is UK-1 UDC, 5 BDK, 13 diesel submarines (4 new), 12 destroyers (3 Aegis), 11 frigates (3 new), 19 corvettes (1 sunk by the DPRK), aviation-16 Orion patrols and helicopters. That's all . With the Chinese fleet is simply incomparable.
      1. mvg
        mvg 25 November 2015 01: 46 New
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        Because the 12 EMs of South Korea (and Aegis are generally the strongest EMs in the world) are not a couple of 052 and 956E. They have modern anti-ship missiles, both of their own design and based on axes, submarines based on German 209/212. You are not looking at numbers, the Chinese fleet now resembles, until recently, the Chinese Air Force, where there were 3-4 thousand MiG-19s, i.e. very outdated models. For example, nuclear submarines have just begun to go on combat patrols. Either the Chinese did not trust their nuclear weapons sailors, or the nuclear submarines themselves ..
        UDC and BDK will not take part in the battle, the aircraft carrier is not ready. The P-15 and 802 missiles are obsolete. It is necessary to consider only 052D and later frigates of type 054 .. And there are not so many of them. Something like this .. A lot of cans, but there’s nothing to fight ..
        Russia also has a lot of NK, in terms of numbers, only modern ships of the 1st rank - you can count on your fingers.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 25 November 2015 19: 32 New
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          I can not agree with you.
          Quote: mvg
          They have modern RCC both of their own design and based on axes,

          The main RCC of the ships of the UK is the harpoon. The SLCM is in service with 3 destroyers.
          Quote: mvg
          Because the 12 EMs of South Korea (and Aegis are generally the strongest EMs in the world) are not a couple of 052 and 956E

          3 destroyers of the UK have long-range air defense. In the PRC there are 10 such ships.
          Quote: mvg
          Submarines based on the German 209/212.

          And in what universe are the old German boats of the project 209 better than Varshavyanka and 039? Boats 212 of the project are only 4. With RCC, South Korea has 7 boats, China has more than 40.
          Quote: mvg
          For example, nuclear submarines have just begun to go on combat patrols.

          This SSBN only recently began to go to the database. More precisely, American intelligence admitted that they go to the database. And the submarines a long time ago to the database. Project 091 boats had problems with noise and reliability, 093 had no such problems.
          Quote: mvg
          aircraft carrier - not ready

          The air group was not ready. Now everything is OK. And of course, the South Caucasus does not and will not have nuclear submarines or aircraft carriers, nor, moreover, SSBNs.
          Quote: mvg
          The P-15 and 802 missiles are obsolete.

          The P-15 was withdrawn from service, even 051 had other missiles. It is not clear what the 803 or Mosquito is worse than Harpoon.
          Quote: mvg
          In combat

          South Korea is located at a distance of 500 km from the People's Republic of China. In a real conflict, China will decide the absolute superiority of the People's Republic of China in naval aviation and the coastal defense of the Kyrgyz Republic. The remains of the SK fleet will be cleared by the huge submarine fleet of the PRC and flocks of the Republic of Kazakhstan 022.
          The only ships of the UK capable of creating problems are the excellent 212 submarines of the project. Well and for ground targets destroyers Sejong Great.
          Quote: mvg
          Russia also has a lot of NK, in terms of numbers, only modern ships of the 1st rank - you can count on your fingers.

          These are completely different things. The Russian fleet is large nominally, most of the ships, in general, are not running. The PRC does not have this.
          Russia has virtually no ships created after 1991, while China has virtually no ships created before 1991.