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"An ordinary tank will penetrate such a boat through"

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"An ordinary tank will penetrate such a boat through"“I want to wish the crew of this boat to always defeat the enemy just as our army and our great people will always win,” Turchinov said. The ceremony of the descent took place at the factory "Leninskaya smithy", where the boat was built. The plant, by the way, belongs to the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.


Probably, under the initiators of the “freeze” Turchinov had in mind the former President Viktor Yanukovych, during the reign of which - in October 2012 of the year - the first two boats were laid. Then the authorities said that boats would be needed to solve problems in the Danube basin and in the coastal zone of the Black and Azov seas. At that time, Ukraine was in active conflict with neighboring Romania because of the disputed areas of the Black Sea oil shelf. However, then their construction was frozen due to lack of funds. Work began again in the 2014 year, and now the boats are put into operation.

In 2013, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine created in Odessa, the management of the division of river ships of the Navy. The location of the division was declared the Practical Harbor of the Western Naval Base of the Navy, and as its tasks - service on the border rivers, lakes, estuaries, as well as during external raids in coastal waters. Before 2017, it was planned to build nine boats of the Gyurza-M type for the Ukrainian Navy, Maxpark reported.

As Interfax-Ukraine reminds, the displacement of a small armored artillery boat (MBAK) Gyurza-M is 51,1 tons, cruising speed is 25 nodes, the crew is 5 people, autonomous navigation distance is 900 miles.

The first vice-president of the Russian Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Captain 1st Rank Konstantin Sivkov notes that the Ukrainian Navy in recent years has not received any new ships at all, and even such boats will be a “significant gain” for them. He recalled that the flagship of Ukrainian fleet - The frigate Getman Sagaidachny is just an analogue of the Russian guard, a ship of the second rank.

“The same can be said about the new boat. It has a displacement of only 51,1 tons. Of the weapons, at best, a 76 mm cannon from tank type PT-76, one large-caliber machine gun and installation for launching unguided rockets. All. These are the ultimate possibilities, ”Sivkov explained to VZGLYAD newspaper.

According to him, booking such a boat can not exceed 25 mm. “In reality, there are millimeters 15 – 16, based on armor belt, armored logging. At best, this armor will protect it from the bullets of heavy machine guns. And that is not all. So all this is a game. 51 ton is ridiculous, this is squalor. An ordinary tank will penetrate such a boat through. This boat is capable of making a short foray into the coastal part, disembarking a sabotage group, firing a target on the coast, and then have time to escape before they rolled, ”said Sivkov.

Ukrainian military expert, associate professor at the Karazin Kharkiv National University, Vyacheslav Tseluyko, recalled that building the boats of this project was conceived because of friction with Romania over the Danube Delta. "Now the relevance of these supplies has decreased," Tseluyko told the newspaper VIEW, assuming that after launching the boat, they would still serve on the Danube, that is, in the west of the republic, away from the ATO zone.

In the composition of the Ukrainian Navy replenishment - just two armored artillery boats. They are intended to serve mainly on rivers and estuaries, but can also be used as coastal sea boats.

He also agreed with Sivkov about the fact that these boats can not be considered a significant acquisition for the Ukrainian Navy and "repair of tanks and howitzers is much more important than one armored boat." “There was such a thing as the politics of gunboats, when ships armed to the teeth went to distant countries and represented the interests of great powers there. Their combat value was negligible, but they displayed a flag. So in this case, a pair of boats in the Danube Delta will be a demonstration of the flag, so to speak, in disputed territories, ”Tseluiko suggests.

As for Kiev’s hopes for the supply of American ships, the expert emphasizes that the relevance of this issue is low and the Ukrainian military “are waiting for more topical things - communications equipment, thermal imagers,“ Hummers ”and artillery radars - what was promised and incorporated into American expenses budget for next year. ”

Recall that in March, Kiev negotiated with the West about the supply of arms, in particular, about the free transfer of naval forces of American coast guard boats and the purchase of corvettes and minesweepers at the lowest possible price.

In June, RIA News-Ukraine reported that the United States actually transferred five high-speed boats to the Ukrainian Navy. The ships are equipped with Furuno navigation radars, machine guns for 7,62-mm machine guns, spare parts and tools. Four boats were intended for naval special forces, and the fifth - for the fleet search and rescue service. The boats promised to use special forces for “quiet and quick” delivery to the necessary areas, to patrol the area and fight against saboteurs. The cost of boats varies from 350 to 850 thousand dollars.

However, since then, new messages about exactly which waters of the boat have been sent have not appeared. Tseluyko said he did not know anything about the fate of the five.

As the newspaper VIEW wrote, in July, representatives of the NATO assessment and advisory group visited Nikolaev to inspect the material and technical base of the training center of the Naval Forces of Ukraine and the naval airbase and discuss the preparation of the aviation component of the naval forces. In Odessa, the delegation visited the flagship of the Ukrainian fleet - the frigate "Hetman Sagaidachny."

Since Kiev has no money for the fleet, the Ukrainian experts then counted on a gift. “Perhaps, it will be about transferring some funds to Ukraine, ships, aircraft from the United States,” Vyacheslav Tseyuiko did not rule out. - It can be one or two frigates, such as Oliver Perry. Perhaps anti-submarine defense helicopters. ”

As the newspaper VIEW noted at the beginning of October, Ukraine ranks ninth in the world in sales. weapons, is fighting and dramatically increases the military budget. In such conditions, the military-industrial complex of the country should flourish, but it is exactly the opposite - the industry declines and produces “illiquid”. The reasons are in extremely inefficient managers who are perfectly able to “rub glasses” on the country's leadership.

It remains to add that during Soviet times on the territory of modern Ukraine, in Nikolaev, the largest ship of the Russian Navy was built, the aircraft carrying cruiser Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov, whose displacement is 65 thousand tons. Today’s Ukraine can only dream of building such warships.

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  1. ALEXXX1983
    ALEXXX1983 15 November 2015 00: 29 New
    10
    Cute, but the combat capabilities are very modest
    1. Kars
      Kars 15 November 2015 10: 04 New
      37
      The strange title of the article, without going into politics, etc. Name the ship that a regular tank will not break through the buildings of the last decades. He thinks and Birch will flash it.
      1. Malkor
        Malkor 15 November 2015 10: 25 New
        +5
        This is a reminder of those sunken boats in the Sea of ​​Azov, so that they would not even think to poke their snout - hence the tanks against the boats.
      2. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY 15 November 2015 10: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Kars
        .


        Bah! What people! How is Zaporozhye Andryukha doing? You have not been seen for a long time. From ATO returned?
        1. Kars
          Kars 15 November 2015 12: 30 New
          +7
          It could have been better. And no - thanks to the love of lying reading and a gift.
      3. NIKNN
        NIKNN 15 November 2015 11: 13 New
        10
        Kars UA Today, 10:04

        The strange title of the article, without going into politics, etc. Name the ship that a regular tank will not break through the buildings of the last decades. He thinks and Birch will flash it.


        I agree completely. You can also complain that the dynamic protection is not hung belay
        1. Vend
          Vend 15 November 2015 11: 41 New
          +1
          I want to wish the crew of this boat that they always defeat the enemy in the same way that our army, our great people will always defeat it
          What a victory, such a boat
        2. Vend
          Vend 15 November 2015 11: 41 New
          0
          I want to wish the crew of this boat that they always defeat the enemy in the same way that our army, our great people will always defeat it
          What a victory, such a boat
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 15 November 2015 17: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: Wend
            What a victory, such a boat

            Anatoly, do you want the same for our Amur people? Or do they light superdreadnaughts?
      4. Aqela
        Aqela 15 November 2015 16: 51 New
        0
        Well, he didn’t rightly say, I agree. But, judging by the characteristics of armor protection, this boat is free to KPVT with BTR-70 riddled. And what is the meaning of armor and equipping towers from PT-76 or BPM-2 on it then? Widespread support for amphibious operations planned? Where? At the mouth of the Danube? On the Azov? In Novorossiysk?
        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 15 November 2015 17: 26 New
          +1
          All neighboring countries have military flotillas on the Danube-Hungary, Croatia, Serbia, and most importantly Romania. They have a dispute with Romania over 5 islands on the Danube (Maykan, Limba ...), the Romanians have a strong flotilla (the so-called River Service consisting of 67 artillery ship divisions and 88 river observation divisions) -9 monitors, 18 artillery boats, more than 20 boat minesweepers, self-propelled landing barges and support vessels, plus two special forces battalions on the banks of the Danube.
          The division of the river ships division of the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was created back in 2013, they planned to build 9 such boats before 2017 before the coup.
      5. Serg65
        Serg65 15 November 2015 17: 23 New
        +5
        Quote: Kars
        . Name the ship which which the ordinary tank will not break the buildings of the last decades. BOPs thinks and Burka will flash.

        That completely agree with you, dear Kars! Is the article talking about the battleship? Or about a heavy cruiser? No, we are talking about a river armored boat! So what the hell is it to scream that any tank will break through it? The author call me an armored boat that can withstand at least 45-mm shell !!! The most famous armored vehicle of the Ave. 1124 had armor of the 8 mm cabin. And he, dear author, has passed the floor of the war!
      6. sub307
        sub307 15 November 2015 17: 38 New
        +2
        Exactly .... and, in general, if the ship "pierces through", then it is better for him than an explosion of ammunition in the middle. Really - why the heading ...?
      7. svp67
        svp67 15 November 2015 21: 28 New
        0
        hi The smoking room is alive !!!
        Quote: Kars
        Name the ship that a regular tank will not break the buildings of the last decades. BOPs thinks and Burka will flash it.

        I think that any aircraft carrier will not succeed in flashing through ...
    2. Aqela
      Aqela 15 November 2015 16: 48 New
      +3
      To remove everything superfluous from it, it will turn out to be a good patrol boat, armed with a CPV, in order to drive armed poachers.
  2. S-cream
    S-cream 15 November 2015 00: 29 New
    25
    "Lenin's Forge"? Where are the patriots looking? Why hasn't this monument been demolished yet?
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 15 November 2015 07: 17 New
      10
      Quote: S-cream
      "Lenin's Forge"? Where are the patriots looking? Why hasn't this monument been demolished yet?

      Demolish workshops, remelting machines. Cables in color. Met. And there will be chi zrada, chi peremoga. And then the forge, understand, Lenin. (and the factory is gunpowder)
  3. S-cream
    S-cream 15 November 2015 00: 30 New
    +1
    Since Kiev has no money for the fleet, Ukrainian experts were counting on a gift then.

    As usual, actually.
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 15 November 2015 04: 34 New
      11
      More surprising is another:
      “I want to wish the crew of this boat that they always defeat the enemy in the same way that our army, our great people will always defeat it”


      Looking at all the "peremogs" obtained by Ukraine, the words of the pastor should be perceived by the crew as a CURSE! laughing
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 15 November 2015 09: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: S-cream
      As usual, actually.

      For Ukraine, this has definitely become commonplace; there is no money for anything but war.
      A state destroyer, like a cancerous tumor, does not create but destroy.
      Well, about the whole screech in Ukraine about these miracle boats, the author quoted briefly and clearly.
      He recalled that the flagship of the Ukrainian fleet - the frigate "Getman Sagaidachny" - is just an analogue of the Russian guard, a ship of the second rank.

      As in the famous cartoon As you call it, it will float, and not go. (Although the state is a hot court of the Navy)
      A fragment of the cartoon is very symbolic, both about the island and about the name)))))))))))) So it wouldn’t be called Gyurza, this is a ship, but it would be more modest. Moreover, there are no such reptiles in Ukraine. Is that on the Maidan))))))))
      1. starwars
        starwars 18 November 2015 13: 02 New
        -1
        Name the trouble. lol
  4. Dezinto
    Dezinto 15 November 2015 00: 40 New
    24
    Is the boat modern?

    1. Platonich
      Platonich 15 November 2015 09: 31 New
      +6
      And yet Klitschko is VERY MODERN!
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      2. starwars
        starwars 18 November 2015 11: 28 New
        -1
        But an empty brain.
    2. vladek64
      vladek64 15 November 2015 11: 29 New
      14
      Do not be so cruel - a person has learned a new word. smile
      Let it rejoice ...
      1. AUL
        AUL 15 November 2015 12: 49 New
        +3
        And something, he spoke on the damned Russian mov? Moskal, or what? wink
    3. cap54
      cap54 15 November 2015 15: 06 New
      +3
      he has another thought about the "modern" in his head got stuck - that's modernity and flooded from all cracks !!!
    4. Aqela
      Aqela 15 November 2015 16: 55 New
      +4
      And why isn’t it on the ukrainsky mov?
      request
      We see a modern new TRANWAY meeting the whole new standard of modernity, which is very important in our modern time. And Kuyava will have them seven modern pieces ...
      tongue The process of memorizing new modern words is clearly shown. laughing good
    5. anti-Semite
      anti-Semite 16 November 2015 13: 39 New
      +1
      it’s funny for you, but a person half-life on the skull was cuddled))))))
  5. aba
    aba 15 November 2015 00: 47 New
    +7
    If you read how their bloggers present Svidomo with news, it’s just something: there are more excellent epithets than Russian fighters and bombers. Moreover, so in all that is not surprising. We all remember how the Ilovaysky cauldron was presented to the Ukrainians.
  6. Kibl
    Kibl 15 November 2015 00: 50 New
    0
    But what about fighting hamsters?
    1. Aryan
      Aryan 15 November 2015 19: 32 New
      +1
      in Romanians bullet? angry
      1. starwars
        starwars 18 November 2015 11: 30 New
        0
        Bullet to health. wink
  7. silver169
    silver169 15 November 2015 01: 03 New
    +3
    Which country are these ships. Squalor.
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    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 20 November 2015 02: 26 New
      0
      The most common river armored boat. Modern Russian counterparts, such as pr. 9507 "Nereus" or pr. 22240 "Fregat", are even smaller. In terms of tasks and tonnage, and weapons. And battleships do not sail on rivers laughing
  8. Prokrust
    Prokrust 15 November 2015 01: 35 New
    +2
    And so all the pleasure boats Svidomye will soon be transferred to the category of "naval warships" lol
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  10. 3officer
    3officer 15 November 2015 01: 45 New
    +3
    All Trembling !!! Turchinov's imperial fleet has been replenished with a flagship !!! "Svidomo Zhabodav" storm of Berdyan reeds and Danube frogs! Finally, parity with the pits in the World Ocean has been restored.
  11. marinier
    marinier 15 November 2015 02: 01 New
    11
    Hello dear!
    Slozilos impression 4to the boat at least idzis and calibers.
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    2. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 15 November 2015 07: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: marinier
      Hello dear!
      Slozilos impression 4to the boat at least idzis and calibers.

      Anthony, not only calibers, but also tomahawks. And behind the cable, a platoon of fur seals of the Zapaden spill is attached. If you want to make a joke (and I understood your post just like that), in order to avoid misunderstandings and get minuses, put a smiley wassat
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 15 November 2015 08: 03 New
        +5
        Or write that when the "caliber" is launched, this boat will be pressed into the bottom.
        And for me another question is interesting: before these boats would have been made if the plant had not belonged to Poroshenko.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 15 November 2015 08: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: samoletil18
          And for me another question is interesting: before these boats would have been made if the plant had not belonged to Poroshenko.

          Not. And so the extra penny earned money, otherwise you don’t let Roshenov’s candies with nuts into the geyropa, and living in an independent and chocolate-free life is sweet, not for him. He also saved on armor. Instead of 25mm they put 16mm. Probably would rather swim. (the sailors of the word floated wrote specially). And the price is how it varies. A decent run. It will take for 850 thousand green tugriks, definitely.
        2. AUL
          AUL 15 November 2015 12: 51 New
          -1
          Yes, it will sink even when the Caliber is loaded!
  12. aszzz888
    aszzz888 15 November 2015 02: 01 New
    +1
    This boat is capable of making a short raid in the coastal part, landing a sabotage group, firing at a target on the coast and having time to run away before it rolls, ”said Sivkov.


    Or catch a sprat from it !!! laughing
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 15 November 2015 08: 05 New
      +1
      I love Caspian drinks good hi
  13. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 15 November 2015 02: 27 New
    0
    The 404 Navy does not cease to amaze with its marginal claims of exclusivity. In principle, the captain should check in a jet. And these tubs or break, ali will be quietly dzharjavela in the hand-clasped hands of these sewer amphipods .... Lavrov was right, well, you understand ... wassat
  14. Aleksiy
    Aleksiy 15 November 2015 02: 33 New
    +6
    Why did you come across a combat chowen, well, small, well, in a single copy, but maybe the price is like that of a destroyer, over at what shipyard was born - pecina.
    1. starwars
      starwars 18 November 2015 11: 35 New
      0
      Do you need a trough ?!
    2. starwars
      starwars 18 November 2015 11: 43 New
      -1
      Do you need a trough ?! soldier
  15. yuriy55
    yuriy55 15 November 2015 03: 57 New
    +2
    According to him, booking such a boat may not exceed 25 mm. “Actually there are 15-16 millimeters, the base is an armored belt, an armored cabin. Best case scenario this armor will protect him from bullets heavy machine guns.


    When it was lowered into the water, didn’t it hurt, by accident, from a champagne cork? Didn’t pierce through, to heh..am dog?
  16. atakan
    atakan 15 November 2015 04: 55 New
    +1
    Dezinto
    In a year there will be a presentation of the MODERN trailer to that tram, but for now.
  17. AKS-U
    AKS-U 15 November 2015 05: 08 New
    +1
    Both funny and sad.
    Compare boat and aircraft carrier cruiser.
    laughing
  18. Shadow1
    Shadow1 15 November 2015 06: 09 New
    +1
    Surely this boat cost Ukraine the same amount as Russia built a pair of "Boreyev".
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 15 November 2015 18: 29 New
      0
      Well, Northwind is not Northwind, but almost pulls on the Mistral.
  19. Koshak
    Koshak 15 November 2015 06: 28 New
    +1
    Not a specialist (((. But maybe this is a modern "Mistral"?
  20. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 15 November 2015 07: 28 New
    -1
    They will not be sent to any Danube. Dragged to Mariupol. And how else to protect the coast from GDP in scuba gear?
  21. Baloo
    Baloo 15 November 2015 07: 59 New
    0
    Not a sailor, but is it a parody of a warship? Where and to whom were they going to show the flag on this trough?
  22. izya top
    izya top 15 November 2015 08: 12 New
    +3
    Petya’s cadaver is multiplied by zero for a broken bottle crying
  23. samoletil18
    samoletil18 15 November 2015 08: 20 New
    0
    Lord! Pay attention to how it is served: not 51 tons of displacement, but more - 51 and one (!) Tenth of a ton. There are no trifles.
    On the other hand, shelling to seize a peaceful ship, giving a line of machine guns to coastal houses and rushing off, for other mucks in the style of the new Kiev government, is a very practical and effective means.
  24. alicante11
    alicante11 15 November 2015 08: 46 New
    0
    What dill "Xperdy" and "ANALYTIKA" have.

    “There was such a thing as a gunboat policy, when heavily armed ships went to distant lands and represented the interests of great powers there. Their combat value was negligible, but they showed a flag. So in this case, a couple of boats in the Danube Delta will be a demonstration of the flag, so to speak, in disputed territories ”


    In fact, gunboat diplomacy has nothing to do with the demonstration of the flag, this is when the floating wunderwaffle shows the natives how cool her master is and that his wishes must be taken into account. The day is clear that for the "recalcitrant Zusuls" such a wunderwaffle was also a gunboat with a single but BA-A-A-lashing gun and a high chimney with smoke, even if she had wheels with plates on the sides. But against the "natives" such as China or Iran, the amers have to arrange "gunboat diplomacy" with aircraft carriers. And you can't scare Russia even AB.
  25. rudolff
    rudolff 15 November 2015 09: 39 New
    15
    Honestly, I do not quite understand the condescending-sarcastic tone of most commentators. Well, they built a boat, so what? What is there to discuss? Boat! Stupid only by the presence of Turchinov, such an event above the minute mention in the news does not pull. Although ... We have the launching of the Rook, also taught as a major event.
    "At best, this armor will protect him from bullets from large-caliber machine guns. And even then not all. So all this is games. 51 tons is ridiculous, this is squalor. An ordinary tank will pierce through such a boat." In my opinion, Sivkov is ridiculous here. What is he talking about? The boat must hold a tank shell? And then it won't be squalor?
    "Of the weapons, at best, it can be equipped with a 76 mm cannon from a PT-76 tank, one large-caliber machine gun and an installation for launching unguided rockets. That's all." Well, just shine! Isn't that enough? For a boat of half a hundred tons of displacement? What should be? Tower from Msta-S, anti-ship missiles, air defense systems ..? I would be silent better, I would look smarter.
    1. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 15 November 2015 10: 20 New
      +7
      Quote: rudolff
      He would be silent better, he would look smarter.

      Join.
      Our hat-making reached out to the guard trough.
      unworthy.

      And if the crew honestly serve on this trough, it will many times recoup the cost of a cheap "trough" in the coast guard (or on the Danube) in the fight against smuggling.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 15 November 2015 10: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Sergey S.
        And if the crew honestly serve on this trough, it will many times recoup the cost of a cheap "trough" in the coast guard (or on the Danube) in the fight against smuggling.

        As for the shapkozakidatelstva + 100, but about honestly, I strongly doubt it. It might be better to complete the phrase with the words-will buy the cost of the "trough" .... and in helping the smugglers.
    2. strannik1985
      strannik1985 15 November 2015 11: 11 New
      +5
      No, it's just that Mr. Sivkov forgot about the possibility of placing an ATGM, for example, according to Vicki, an ATGM "Fagot" (range up to 58150 meters) can be put on the boat of pr.2000, while the discussed project 58155 Gyurza-M should have a 30-mm automatic cannon ZTM1,40 -mm grenade launcher UAG 40, PKT and two ATGM "Barrier" (range up to 5 meters) with a laser guidance system. For a river boat, the armament is decent.
  26. Kolovrat88
    Kolovrat88 15 November 2015 10: 20 New
    -9
    A similar Russian ship will not only withstand a shot from a tank, but will also fire poplars in response.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 15 November 2015 17: 42 New
      -1
      A similar Russian ship will not only withstand a shot from a tank, but will also fire poplars in response.

      It's Easy! bully He will also carry out preventive work.
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 15 November 2015 17: 42 New
      -2
      A similar Russian ship will not only withstand a shot from a tank, but will also fire poplars in response.

      It's Easy! bully He will also carry out preventive work.
  27. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 15 November 2015 10: 37 New
    +6
    An ordinary tank will penetrate any ship right away, if we take only the iron of the sides and bulkheads. This is the name. And for a river flotilla it’s quite a normal boat, the composition of weapons can be changed depending on the modification. As I understand it, most of the local experts saw the warship only in the picture , but where is the forum without their competent opinion.
  28. avg avg
    avg avg 15 November 2015 11: 12 New
    +1
    I wonder how many fighting shuttles now fall on one Ukrainian admiral?
  29. HaKim
    HaKim 15 November 2015 11: 20 New
    -1
    Motor boat Christmas tree sticks)))
  30. Roman13
    Roman13 15 November 2015 12: 06 New
    0
    Kuzmich's longboat was found from the "peculiarities of the national hunt" !!! So it should be called "Barkas Kuzmich", and abbreviated "Barkuz" -1M (modified).
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    2. Roman13
      Roman13 15 November 2015 13: 22 New
      0
      And the number 1 means the number of boats in the fleet of Ukraine!
  31. Kelevro
    Kelevro 15 November 2015 12: 09 New
    +1
    Poroshenko even cut money there
  32. Stilet
    Stilet 15 November 2015 12: 18 New
    +3
    It is a great honor to discuss this essentially ordinary event. And if Ukrainians release a bus in Lviv or spoil 15 meters of fat, will there be the same discussion?
  33. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 15 November 2015 12: 59 New
    +2
    I read, "boat, Turchinov" and did not become any more, This shit, mo surfaced because Piglet decided to expand production at his factory at the expense of government orders! And it’s ashamed to read, but how hard is it for him? lol negative
  34. Massik
    Massik 15 November 2015 13: 57 New
    -1
    Hmm, you can see the construction of river monitors for Zakraina is beyond the power. An ancient American piberber with cannon armament rolls this boat easily.
  35. _KM_
    _KM_ 15 November 2015 16: 09 New
    0
    A modest boat. In the Soviet years, there were much more interesting projects. For example, pr. 191m.
  36. SuperVodka777
    SuperVodka777 15 November 2015 16: 59 New
    0
    It’s a shame, like some kind of attention. In other countries, destroyers are stamping, and they launched the boat ...
  37. mvg
    mvg 15 November 2015 18: 32 New
    +2
    In fact, the workers received a salary, the sailors received service. Everyone needs to feed their families ... I don't give a damn about the performance characteristics of the boat .. It’s better than without pennies, both of them. We must also think about ordinary people. Poros already has dofig money, he doesn’t need a dime from this boat.
    As for Romania, they have a good Black Sea fleet, by the standards of the Black Sea (you should not consider Turkey and Russia), but if dill behaves well, the Boss will easily give them a couple of frigates .. Anyway, in preserving dofig and old Perry and other pasudins .. They have sailors, not everyone took the oath of Russia, many families, relatives ..
    So "scoff" in vain.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 15 November 2015 19: 39 New
      +1
      So "scoff" in vain.

      An important addition is that if the draft allows the sea ships to work in the right place, even the mighty Soviet Union, after the disbandment of the Danube Flotilla, kept a brigade of river ships-116 BRCHK in 3 divisions. Among other things, just after it was disbanded on May 1, 1995, the Romanians created the Danube naval flotilla, its I have already cited the composition.
      Large monitor type “Michael Kogelnichanu”
      Displacement: 550 tons
      Length - 62 meters, width - 7,6 meters, draft - 1,7 meters
      Speed ​​- 21 knots (over 40 km / h)
      Armament: two tank towers with 100-mm cannons, 2 twin 23 mm quick-firing assault rifles, 2 quadruple 14,5 mm machine guns, as well as installations for launching 122 mm RS and Strela anti-aircraft missile systems.
      Currently there are three monitors in the combat formation - “Mikhail Kogelnichanu” (built in 1993), “Ion Bratianu” (1995) and “Laskar Katarjiu” (1998).
      Monitors like “Brutar I / II”
      Displacement: 320/370 tons
      Length - 45,7 / 50,7 meters, width - 8 meters, draft - 1,5 meters
      Speed ​​–16 knots (over 30 km / h)
      Armament: one tank turret (100 mm cannon), two coaxial and two quad 14,5 mm machine guns, launchers of 122 mm NURSs.
      "Old" or "small" monitors built in 1986-1993. Six ships of this type (three of each modification) before the appearance of “river battleships” of the type “Kogelnichanu” represented the main fighting force of the Danube flotilla of Romania. Judging by the fact that they constantly come across on the river (including the estuary zone), they are perfectly preserved and are in a completely “working” state.
      Armored "VB-76"
      Displacement: 127 tons
      Length - 32 meters, width - 4,8 meters, draft - 0,9 meters
      Speed ​​–17 knots (about 35 km / h)
      Armament: one 76-mm gun, two coaxial 14,5-mm machine guns, two 81-mm mortars
      Eighteen “VB-76” by their tactical and technical characteristics represent the closest analogue to the famous “Bumblebees”, second only to the caliber of the gun and the absence of launchers for the PC.
      Pay attention to the draft - no more than two meters.
  38. Amper
    Amper 15 November 2015 19: 34 New
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    According to leaked information, in the near future the dill fleet will be strengthened by six four-armed, two six-armed, one eight-armed armored boats and a support raft. angry
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 15 November 2015 20: 00 New
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      Something resembled a "sea battle"
    2. 3officer
      3officer 15 November 2015 20: 02 New
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      And this information from a reliable source? I hope it "leaked" personally from the Supreme Marshall Generalissimo Turchinov.
      But will they be equipped with a new top-secret development-installation of a voluminous-underwater Puk capable of plunging an aggressor country into Horror?
  39. EVIL KOLORAD
    EVIL KOLORAD 15 November 2015 20: 27 New
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    Is that all Ukrainian thought was capable of? ... fall asleep, it's a pleasure boat for tourists on the Black Sea ...
    Here is the submarine "Zaporozhye" - it's brilliant! ... It's a storm of the seas! ...
    1. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 17 November 2015 22: 22 New
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      Quote: EVIL COLORAD
      Here is the submarine "Zaporozhye" - it's brilliant! ... It's a storm of the seas! ...

      This is not "Zaporozhye", this is a Russian semi-water boat of Project 633RV, intended for testing new systems of anti-submarine weapons.
  40. Legionnaire 030
    Legionnaire 030 15 November 2015 20: 31 New
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    Good evening.
    Tell me, has anyone heard about the Ukrainian film "Raid" - about the brilliant operation (supposedly the longest raid in military history) of the 95th brigade. What is this operation or again ukroSMI fiction?
  41. tank64rus
    tank64rus 15 November 2015 21: 37 New
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    Lord, and this is after the battleships and aircraft carriers of Nikolaev. Probably in world history, real politicians will tell their heirs do not do it because the Soviet "elite" do not betray your country and the people, otherwise the country will receive a boat instead of a battleship, that is, a large PUK.
  42. Alexy
    Alexy 16 November 2015 03: 14 New
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    I remember even under Kuchma, Ukraine was in conflict with Romania. Then, to demonstrate strength, they drove everything that could stay on the water to the Serpentine Island. The spectacle, frankly, is something else. After the Orange coup, one of the first achievements of "Ukrainian-style democracy" was the transfer of the disputed shelf to Romania, free of charge, for supporting WTO accession. By the way, the proven reserves of natural gas on this shelf would help Ukraine significantly reduce its dependence on foreign supplies. This shameful case was later promoted in the Rada by Mrs. Timoshenko, and the people were eating it. And now everyone hawala there.
  43. anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 16 November 2015 13: 37 New
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    the relevance of armored artillery boats is quite doubtful in modern conditions
  44. ilyaches
    ilyaches 16 November 2015 15: 32 New
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    Stupid trough.
  45. starwars
    starwars 18 November 2015 07: 34 New
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    Turchinov wonderful galosh!
  46. Riv
    Riv 19 November 2015 14: 01 New
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    I don't understand why people are arguing here ... Well, two boats - so what? No ship fights alone. If, for example, a minesweeper begins to fire at a cruiser, then this is always a gesture of despair. "I'm dying, but not giving up." These boats can carry out tasks of protecting the border, or providing counter-sabotage measures (for sabotage - redundant), but again: as part of a squadron.
    That's all. And since Ukraine can only dream of squadrons, these two boats for the fleet are a dead poultice.