Alligators 6х6 and 8х8

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Ten years ago, the "future" of armored vehicles looked like hybrid driving machines. The diesel-electric hybrid demonstrator of the SEP technologies of BAE Systems Hagglunds was built both a tracked vehicle and a wheeled vehicle (by the formula 8 x8 or 6 x6). The purpose of the SEP was to demonstrate the flexibility of the hybrid transmission and at the same time the modular approach to constructing the hulls of armored vehicles. Despite the relative success of the project, the hybrid version has not yet found its customers. Since then, BAE Hagglunds has completed the development of the SEP as a more conventional armored vehicle Alligator with the 6x6 drive, which took part in the tender for the supply of Tactical Armored Patrol Vehicle (TAPV).


The Alligator retains the modular approach used in its predecessors, but not the SEP hybrid drive. As a result, where SEP 6х6 could turn around its axis, the usual Alligator has a turning radius of 23 m. Despite changes in the transmission, the Alligator retains the principle of SEP modularity (which may be an advantage for the TAPV tender). The alligator is in fact an attempt to reduce both the cost of SEP and technological risks. The Swedish press claims that the 8x8 Alligator will cost a quarter of the cost of a SEP. In terms of technology, the dominant view in North America is that hybrid systems must first gain a reputation in the civilian market before the military should risk using them for their own needs. However, this was not enough to provide a place for the Alligator (with the formula 8x8) in the domestic market.


There is a lot of media confusion between the SEP and the Alligator. Nevertheless, BAE itself did quite a bit to lift the curtain of secrecy and clarify the picture. BAE Hagglunds was burned by the loss in the tender of the Swedish army to its Finnish competitors with Patria. Looking back, it can be concluded that a more traditional alternative of the Alligator type should have been offered to Sweden along with the expensive SEP. But time does not turn back. It is also a mystery now why BAE does not promote the Alligator to the market in full force or vice versa, it does not freeze the project.


There is a video ad hinting at the 6x6 Alligator functionality, but the official site BAE Hagglunds does not provide any details at all. The location of the crew, at least obvious. Like the 6X6 SEP, the driver and commander are side by side in the bow, behind them the gunner and the 4 infantryman in the stern. Estimated Tactics Specifications 8x8 Alligator are: 2 engine Steyr M16 TCI by 272 hp, seven-speed transmission, curb weight 27 tons, length is about 6.8 m, width 2.8 m, height 2.25 m, speed 100 km / h. The SEP was equipped with two Steyr diesel engines and an Alligator can save them, but one can only guess about the actual transmission. Regarding the actual weight, dimensions and other details, it is necessary to follow the information of the tenders, such as TAPV.


Less mysterious is the weapons offered for the 6x6 Alligator. Like the SEP before it, the Alligator is seen with a remote-controlled turret from another Swedish subsidiary of BAE, Lemur from Bofors. In accordance with the requirements of the tender TAPV, Lemur must install a heavy machine gun or automatic grenade launcher. Given all the unknowns, the Alligator may be larger in size than expected by the TAPV, but this can also be beneficial as it can add additional features that do not interfere in modern combat.
Alligator 6x6


Alligator 8x8
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  1. 0
    21 November 2011 10: 20
    to disperse the Papuans fit ...
    1. +5
      21 November 2011 11: 13
      Seeing such a thing - the blacks immediately hid !! (with) smile
      Seeing such a thing, KAMAZ instantly conquered "Our answer to Chamberlain" bully
      The formula is the same 6x6, weapons are cooler, more landing.

      bully
      1. +8
        21 November 2011 11: 17
        Aha, is it a black tank from below? And that our response to armament is not accepted, strange ....
      2. +6
        21 November 2011 11: 32
        ahh "Our answer to Chamberlain" ... well, you give, it's not even funny. A terrible incomprehensible crap came out at Kamaz. Tell me why book a case and leave an open gas tank unbooked? Is it such a thing? Further, a small square hatch at a height of one and a half meters, into which you need to quickly jump or jump out is this also a counter? And sorry ... there is also a ladder! Plus, this is a feature of the entire military domestic auto industry: open drives, "especially for mines and land mines." In general, we have lagged behind foreign "analogues" for years, if not decades ... and this is sad. :(
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          -1
          21 November 2011 11: 48
          Do not send a break if you need to copy or buy a license, and there you look we’ll do it.
      3. +3
        21 November 2011 12: 30
        And you hang on it spaced armor as an Alligator and it will turn out no smaller. And then it turns out that one engine is not enough and the armored car will grow even more. In the photo, in addition to the tank with diesel fuel, the armor looks like cardboard, the height will not allow the seats to be suspended and, as always, the soldiers will climb onto the armor. By the way, what about the feed ramp? How to dismount from it?
        I am not a big fan of Aligator, but KAMAZ papelats is damp.
        1. +2
          21 November 2011 12: 45
          There is a rear exit (everything is cool).

          bully
          1. +3
            21 November 2011 16: 09
            He’s kind of dumb. In cross section it has the shape of a coffin.
          2. Mahamont
            +1
            22 November 2011 23: 38
            At Kamaz, a normal civilian truck cannot be made without foreign components, what can we say about an armored personnel carrier. Comedy only.
      4. +6
        21 November 2011 14: 26
        Rzhu to tears, the campaign the day before the exhibition was piled on the remaining money
        judging by the height, it remains for gnomes and hobbits to compare this KAMAZ with a trot and demand Serdyukov to buy it but not with one but with two tanks
  2. 0
    21 November 2011 11: 05
    The 6x6 option is technologically very advanced.
    Professor, and the ability to change the height of the suspension is implemented or not?
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    1. 0
      21 November 2011 12: 22
      BAE doesn't spread much with information about this facility, learned from Steve Jobs smile
      As far as I can judge from this photo, such an opportunity could be realized.
      podcast
  3. +3
    21 November 2011 11: 08
    Great machine, American companies as always on top. It only reminds me of a bit of Boxer armored personnel carriers
  4. -3
    21 November 2011 11: 50
    not a car but a target on the training ground, it’s probably a pleasure to get into the lateral projection, and there will be no rebound
  5. dred
    -7
    21 November 2011 12: 15
    Cool, our version looks like the current gas tank must be hidden.
  6. Ion coaelung
    0
    21 November 2011 12: 20
    Like a cockroach .. Slipper it!
  7. Artemka
    +4
    21 November 2011 13: 48
    Yes, the tank directly sticks out, it would be necessary to remove it inside, otherwise it can be ugly and can be pulled into it.
  8. Tatars
    +1
    21 November 2011 16: 41
    Good armored personnel carrier, we can’t do this for 20 years.
  9. takmagash
    +3
    21 November 2011 17: 49
    Kamazovsky armored car to comrade Lenin in the 17th year would be most useful for incendiary speech
    1. Tyumen
      +3
      21 November 2011 18: 24
      I was thinking that I alone remembered the revolution.
  10. +2
    21 November 2011 18: 25
    not a car but a target on the training ground, it’s probably a pleasure to get into the lateral projection, and there will be no rebound
    .? urzul
    you generally read about her reservation. watch at least a video
    1. Korvin
      0
      29 June 2012 19: 23
      He did not read Pasternak but condemns))
  11. J_silver
    -4
    22 November 2011 20: 37
    A barn with dubious effectiveness ... Not to say that it is much different from the KAMAZ freak ...
  12. Gray fox
    -1
    11 March 2012 18: 18
    Loudly like ... "Alligator" ... I join Ion Coaelung - looks like a cockroach))) Paint it in red)
  13. Korvin
    0
    29 June 2012 19: 30
    Hmm .. SEEP was the most secure and technically advanced machine of its time ... judging by current developments it remains unsurpassed even now ... But like all revolutionary and far ahead of time it was not conservative enough to be accepted into service and still remained a concept ... gradually degenerated into a castrated Alligator ...