Military Review

Judges help! We want to join the army!

Indeed, strange things happen in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. Statements from Krasnoyarsk and other cities who want to challenge and reclaim the opportunity to complete military service in the army go to the courts of the region.

Apparently, the Krasnoyarsk military registration and enlistment offices are too strict in their selection of candidates for the service. Or is it something else? Many journalists, including representatives of the Interfax-Siberia agency, understood.

According to statistics, over the past year in the region passed about 200 such vessels. This year, 85 similar claims are pending in the region. Such a desire to go through military service, most likely, is connected not with the increased patriotism of Krasnoyarsk citizens, but with the desire of young people to get a prestigious job.

"Those who had previously proved their inability to serve in the army for various reasons are now trying to prove the opposite in court. They claim that at one time the draft commission transferred them to the reserve, it was wrong and did not fully appreciate their capabilities, and accordingly now you need to return from the reserve ", - said the military commissar of the Krasnoyarsk Territory Andrei Lysenko.

"According to the current legislation, a person who has not served in the army cannot get a job in state authorities. In addition, many social activists who are planning to develop their political career are also in need of a military ID. In my country, I think everything goes to the fact that a person who does not feel responsibility for his state, who is not ready to defend it, cannot be in any management structures. "

Commissar Lysenko knows what he is talking about. All dissatisfied with the present state of affairs of the "rogue" in the military registration and enlistment offices know.

True, there has not yet been a case for the court to recognize the plaintiff’s right to return from the reserve and complete active service. There is no legal basis for this yet. The law on military service clearly specifies that a citizen of Russia who has been discharged as a reserve can be called up in two cases: mobilization if necessary or for military training.

So it turns out that the young people who had successfully “retreated”, having graduated from educational institutions, found out that the road was ordered to them for public service. An unpleasant surprise, however. In fact, under article 65 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, a military ID in our country is required for employment not only for public service, but for any other work. And at any "skewed" he has on hand. However, if they take on a “other” job without problems, then here in the authorities or other “decent” places - alas.

In accordance with paragraph 11 16 of Article 79 of a federal law, a citizen cannot be accepted into civil service if he is recognized as not having completed military service by conscription, without legal grounds in accordance with the opinion of the draft board. That is, if a person did not go to the army for health reasons and he has a “white ticket” in his hands, there is nothing to do in the power structures. But you want ...

According to the military commissar Lysenko, over the past few years the number of draft dodgers in the region has noticeably decreased.

"Now, first of all, those guys who left the Krasnoyarsk Territory, but did not withdraw from military registration, so we have to look for them. It even happens that we are looking for a person here, and they call him in another subject. I think a couple more years, and the problem of draft dodgers will disappear ", - concluded the representative of the Krasnoyarsk military registration and enlistment office.

The fact that the number of draft dodgers in our country is becoming less and less from year to year was also noted by the head of the supervision of the Chief Military Prosecutor’s Office (PRT), Major General of Justice Alexander Nikitin.

"The number of draft dodgers is constantly decreasing. If during the autumn 2014 draft of the year more than 6 thousand 100 people were recognized as draft dodgers, then in the spring 2015 call of the year there were only 3 thousand 869 people - the number decreased by 36% in half a year," press conference representative office.

According to Nikitin, this trend is connected, firstly, with a reduction in service life, and secondly, with more favorable conditions in the army.

“People see it, and fewer than those who want to avoid service in this way,” he explained, recalling that the criminal penalty for evading service is two years ’imprisonment, while the term of service itself is one year.

What did you live, dear? At this rate, the "mean" rich will pay twice for their children: not to go to the army, and to write what they were in the army. And what about the business? Go to serve a year ...

By the way, in my environment, where there is enough youth, the moans of "time wasted aimlessly" are almost no longer heard. Of course, there are also those who have stitched, but only a few. But, of course, it’s up to that to go to court demanding to recognize him healthy and send to serve - they haven’t reached it yet. But maybe still ahead?

I do not want to wish Krasnoyarsk seekers a good and tasty life of good luck. Because everything has its time. It is a pity, I am far from Krasnoyarsk, otherwise I would love to admire overgrown young plants who want to get into the public service by hook or by crook. Though through the court. No, dear, you write at night - write on.
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  1. Vladycat
    Vladycat 16 November 2015 07: 33
    -13 qualifying.
    Real 360 'reversal. On the face of the health of society. ;)
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 16 November 2015 08: 20
      Quote: Vladycat
      Real 360 'reversal. On the face of the health of society. ;)
      Reply Citirova

      For the rich - scientific companies ...
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 16 November 2015 09: 58
      I would be interested to see their faces if they were told that if they were called, they would go to Syria. laughing What would they say then ?!
      As I put it, I don’t remember whether Putin himself or Shoigu or maybe just a representative of the Ministry of Defense (it was in the article on VO): -That benefits, to be a soldier is, first of all, to be ready to protect the interests of the country, to be ready to kill and die for the Motherland if necessary. "
  2. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 16 November 2015 07: 37
    "No, dear ones, you write at night - write on."

    That's right .. because deviation, this is not a momentary weakness, but a life position
    1. vinc
      vinc 16 November 2015 08: 24
      Why just "write", maybe they are just homosexuals. tongue
      1. nimboris
        nimboris 16 November 2015 08: 59
        Especially buggers do not have a place in the army, their place near the bucket.
      2. jjj
        jjj 16 November 2015 18: 26
        Quote: Vinci
        Why just "write", maybe they are just homosexuals.
    2. crambol
      crambol 16 November 2015 10: 26
      I do not agree. Army, navy - school of life. If a person committed stupidity at the beginning of his life, military service will correct him and the guy will return home by another person!
      1. provincial
        provincial 16 November 2015 10: 49
        The army is not a health center.
        1. crambol
          crambol 16 November 2015 19: 50

          The most that is wellness! They were demobilized from the North as grenadiers physically and spiritually, and they were called upon completely suffocated and mother's sons. Want an example? Please: Airborne!

        2. Setrac
          Setrac 16 November 2015 22: 21
          The army sets brains and does not heal health
          1. crambol
            crambol 16 November 2015 23: 17

            Respected! It seems that you did not serve urgent and vegetated on peeling potatoes. Have you tried two-kilometer runs on the snowy tundra in full outfit in a 20-degree frost?

            1. would
              would 17 November 2015 13: 42
              The most that is wellness!

              Have you tried two-kilometer runs on the snowy tundra in full outfit in a 20-degree frost?

              Here, as always, the question is in the details. If everything is controlled by a normal officer, then the result will be appropriate in everything, including physical training. Because they will understand that it is necessary to give the load gradually and only for those who can withstand it, it is impossible not to demand. But if it’s not an officer who is doing this, but * a bad word * then a cross in full outfit can easily turn into a cross in gas masks (that is, with hypoxia) which will cause pathological changes in the cardiovascular system in an unprepared person, but in those who have a heart weaker and death. There have been cases.
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  3. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 16 November 2015 08: 13
    More recently, such figures who managed to deflect from the army went in heroes, but now they are becoming in our eyes not full-fledged people who do not want to defend their homeland in difficult times for the country, it begins to reach them that they can stay on the sidelines of life and will be in before our eyes, traitors to the interests of the people.
  4. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 16 November 2015 08: 19
    The Bulgarian army became fully professional, i.e. - hired, in 2007. The last Bulgarians who have served urgent service are the 1988 set.

    In the second half of the 1990s, the Bulgarian army took conscripts "through one", the commission asked everyone: do you want to serve? Why? What position (in the sense of a military specialty). Won't it be hard for you? Can you handle it? I am one of those who answered - I want! And I was called. I have never regretted it. Now the people have a lot of respect for those who at one time passed military service.
    1. badandrew
      badandrew 16 November 2015 13: 21
      In general, I relate exactly to the slanting. But it infuriates when they begin to flaunt it.

      When in 1998 I came to the draft board with the question why the agenda has not yet arrived, it seems that they wanted to send me to the fool.
      1. wandlitz
        wandlitz 16 November 2015 18: 22
        Among my acquaintances there were several people who skipped the fees at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in 1986-1987. They laughed at me and my comrades who passed this "event".
        And then they began to reproach me for receiving some benefits from the state, accusing me of having specifically gone there ...
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 18 November 2015 21: 12
          Exactly. Or ask the unaware a day: what are we doing on February 23? Answer: March 8, I congratulate you. Something offended.
  5. Support
    Support 16 November 2015 08: 23
    When I served the term, I repaid the debt, so to speak, it became so easy. And the roads are open everywhere - I served in the Army, did not mow. (Service 1983-1985). And somehow it was a proud man - I'm still not defective ...
  6. Hammer
    Hammer 16 November 2015 08: 51
    -33 qualifying.
    They didn’t take me, was it worth going there ??? From acquaintances everyone who went, then regretted)
    1. nimboris
      nimboris 16 November 2015 09: 01
      You miserable acquaintances, since they regret the service.
    2. ivanovbg
      ivanovbg 16 November 2015 10: 06
      Quote: Hammer
      They didn’t take me, was it worth going there ??? From acquaintances everyone who went, then regretted)

      And what are you actually looking for on a military site?
    3. provincial
      provincial 16 November 2015 10: 51
      and now how?
  7. Nonna
    Nonna 16 November 2015 09: 00
    Just girls on guys who did not serve look like defective ones. Personally, I do not respect such.
  8. nimboris
    nimboris 16 November 2015 09: 04
    I recall the decrypts from the demobilian notebook

    The most
    The best

    Brought up

    I want to


    1. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 16 November 2015 13: 38
      And yet:
      1st half year: I’m unlikely to be back
      2nd half year: Maybe Even I'll Be Back
      3 months: Dembel is visible in the distance
      4th half year: send money
      1. Bryanskiy_Volk
        Bryanskiy_Volk 16 November 2015 14: 59
        But what about now with a one-year service life with this issue? winked
        1. jjj
          jjj 16 November 2015 18: 31
          In the mid-seventies, in the 56th border detachment, in the period after the order to dismiss grandfathers at the outposts, they were called tenants. Some have served for another three months.
  9. Olezhek
    Olezhek 16 November 2015 09: 05
    But all the same, the reasons are interesting: the officials have now cut the content, and this is not very popular with us, the army service is not a "prestigious job" but a "strap" which must be pulled
    Are you serious? All the deputies?
  10. Platonich
    Platonich 16 November 2015 09: 13
    Che is doing Shoigu! Oh, what is he doing !!!!
  11. Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 16 November 2015 10: 28
    Who would have thought of such another 10 years ago!
  12. Penzioner
    Penzioner 16 November 2015 11: 00
    Wow! This is a turn, or else it will be. They used to give on a paw so as not to serve, but now they will give to serve. But it is thought that the children of the rich, if they serve, wherever they want (so to speak in the garden)
    1. visitork67
      visitork67 17 November 2015 22: 35
      So in the time of the SA, people from the "chosen by someone" almost served at home. The topic is not new, the schemes have been worked out. And it will also be possible to organize "remote passage of service", because they receive education through the virtual sucking of the granite of science.
  13. Captain45
    Captain45 16 November 2015 11: 07
    Recently I watched a story in the news: in Novosibirsk, a boy weighing over 120 did not pass the medical examination, so in a little over a year he threw off over 30 kg. "This is what the life-giving cross does!" laughing (c) k \ f "Ivan Vasilyevich" It makes me happy that young guys want to serve in the army, especially if it’s not in search of another matblag, but in spirit, in convictions.
    Speaking of beliefs:
    “I ended up in the army for beliefs.”
    - Like this?
    - See the gopher?
    - No.
    - And I do not see, but he is! (c) movie "DMB" laughing
  14. guest arbeiter
    guest arbeiter 16 November 2015 13: 20
    And there is!
    Fake honey. documents! That, they say, healthy, fit for service. And then from the army there are "carts" that called for the crippled ...
  15. tolancop
    tolancop 16 November 2015 13: 30
    He served in the early 80s and the lamentations about "time wasted" were already there. Were those 2 years wasted? I do not know. During those 2 years I don’t know how many hectares I swept, I don’t know how many kilometers of curbs I painted and how many bricks I laid. But I know one number for sure - I spent 7 (Seven !!!) rounds from AKM on practice shooting (I should have been 9, but I shot the last one and didn't have enough). At the same time, I served in the HF with good combat training. I don’t regret those 2 years. And the attitude towards those who did not serve was different: did not serve, then a man "with a defect" ...
    Something like that.
  16. Engineer engineer
    Engineer engineer 16 November 2015 14: 00
    At what age do boys have their first "military" medical examination? I don’t remember ... I just remember very well how the boys bit their lips in blood, so as not to cry when they were told: "NOT FIT!" Will you say that children are unreasonable? So no! And on the draft board, many hid sores so that they would not be rejected. What is the word? "Rejected", i.e. recognized as defective. It was a shame! Not even ashamed, but shameful ...
    It’s hard to believe that everything has changed so dramatically. Fathers of my generation went through the war and for us the ARMY was SACRED. And the concept - PROFITABLE, somehow does not really fit here. Therefore, I am not happy about this "metamorphosis".
    He served in the years 1969-71.
  17. yuriy55
    yuriy55 16 November 2015 14: 09
    Everything is right! Do not want to defend the Motherland with weapons in your hands, do not go into the leadership ...
    In general, there is such a good song:
  18. Hammer
    Hammer 16 November 2015 14: 14
    I thought that I went to the censor, a herd of sheep. Site is dying
  19. timyr
    timyr 16 November 2015 14: 32
    In Kazakhstan, in rural areas, people pay money to get into the army. The fee was $ 300, the military commissar was even arrested for bribes.
  20. Bryanskiy_Volk
    Bryanskiy_Volk 16 November 2015 15: 01
    Minus a note: I read and it’s so impressive that all the demolition of the Krasnoyarsk Territory in orderly columns go to the civil service straight from the train hi
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 16 November 2015 20: 12
      Funny, but it is. Only not in the civil service, but in those wishing to get on it. In 2010, there were about 6 candidates for the post of fireman in the 11th detachment of the city of Novosibirsk (salary 000 rubles), of which 50 people passed the IHC. All in 20 place. A year later, the salary was raised to 1 p.
  21. Bene valete
    Bene valete 16 November 2015 16: 03
    But I do not see bravado!
    The guys are joining the army not because of the spirit of patriotism or military calling, but because they simply don’t have much more to do ... there is total unemployment in the country, I want to eat!
  22. Support
    Support 16 November 2015 17: 34
    Quote: Hammer
    They didn’t take me, was it worth going there ??? From acquaintances everyone who went, then regretted)

    Didn't you? So you, dear, apparently either defective or defective. If you did not live in a tent in winter, falling into a blizzard or a blizzard, then you lost such drive ... And if it is also 17 km to the border, and the post is generally behind the KSP ..... sorry for you and your close friends. They will never know what they could have gained in the Army or what they have lost without having been in the Army (or being in the Army just like in hard labor). I'm not even talking about the ability to shoot not from Kalash (this, in principle, can be worked out), but we had - "Flame", "Vasilek", "Grady", tanks were flamethrower (TO-55), there were BUKs, RTOTs, Agro-industrial complex. And you dear, be alone with some of the listed technical and concrete products, and you will not know - and what to do with them? How in the village - how to milk a cow? So it is here ... In principle, it is correct - I was not in the Army, I don’t have to go to the service of the sovereign - there is no confidence in you, if you have turned away from the Army, you can also easily sell your homeland. I do not assert, but I suppose - after all, by betraying, you will not lose anything in your understanding, but on the contrary - if you gain - maybe money, or maybe problems. You are certainly not foreigners, but something about ...
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 17 November 2015 14: 53
      You do not describe the service in the fortified area Dosatuy?
  23. _GSVG_
    _GSVG_ 16 November 2015 17: 41
    Back to the Future.
    In the USSR it was simply indecent not to serve in the army / navy, to put it simply - "zapadlo".
    Such non-combatants in any company were out of the way, not understanding the demobilic humor and stories, in the eyes of the servants looked wretched, of whom only pity was left.
    We are moving back to the USSR, but to the future. laughing
  24. S-cream
    S-cream 16 November 2015 17: 47
    Hanlein's Starship Troopers come to mind: Not served - not a citizen.

    This, of course, is somewhat exaggerated, but there is a sound grain in it. Although I personally do not agree with the question in the form:
    11 paragraph 16 of Article 79 of the federal law, a citizen cannot be accepted into civilian service if he is recognized as having not completed military service by conscription, without having legal grounds in accordance with the conclusion of the draft commission. That is, if a person did not join the army for health reasons and he has a "white card" in his hands, there is nothing for a cripple to do in the power structures.

    A person may have a vocation - to work in a certain state structure (executive, legislative and judicial authorities), and at the same time he has a bright mind, an altruistic character, a suitable education, but, roughly speaking, "has no legs." So now he's done, the road has been ordered?
    Other methods have to deal with draft dodgers.

    PS: And, yes, is the disease in this case not a legitimate reason?
    1. would
      would 17 November 2015 17: 23
      PS: And, yes, is the disease in this case not a legitimate reason?

      Is an. It’s just military commissars have been strangling something lately in the news and say some terrible tales: If they are deemed unfit due to illness, you will receive a certificate in exchange for a military ID, then if you don’t come to the military registration and enlistment office (which it’s funny they don’t specify when) they’ll give out this help and so on. with the final message that if you did not serve in the army, then under any circumstances you will have this certificate.
  25. Balagan
    Balagan 16 November 2015 18: 49
    Back in 2012, I first encountered this phenomenon - through the court to seek the draft.
  26. moskowit
    moskowit 16 November 2015 18: 56
    Look how everyone wanted to become officials and other "bread" jobs. Actually, it should be expanded to the absolute. Those who did not serve in the army should not be taken anywhere. Moreover, the divisions "by interests" have already been created. "Botanists" in scientific, strong and skillful in sports, savvy and skilled in the factory and so on.
    I recall that in 1972, after training (the Pacific training ...), we took two ml. Sergeants to the military state farm. Even such, in those glorious times, were military units. So now for everyone, you can create conditions for serving with a professional bias ...
    1. would
      would 16 November 2015 19: 25
      . Those who did not serve in the army could not be taken at all.

      Great idea! Only then it is not clear what to do with a lot of statements to the court, because the Ministry of Defense at the official level pursues a policy of reducing the share of draftees in the army. And so it will not work for everyone to serve, and the right to work is an inalienable right.
  27. hitech
    hitech 16 November 2015 19: 02
    The same is news to me. It’s just that the number of draftees has become catastrophically small, so they figured out how to get out of the situation.
  28. would
    would 16 November 2015 19: 27
    According to the current legislation, a person who has not served in the army,e can get a job in state authorities. In addition, many social activists who plan to develop their political career need a military card.

    If my memory serves me, then according to the current legislation this applies only to draft evaders who are given a "certificate instead of a military card." And a citizen becomes an evader only after an appropriate court decision.
    1. would
      would 16 November 2015 20: 06
      A citizen becomes a deviator only after the relevant court decision.

      This is in the sense that the decision of the draft board can easily be appealed in court. And then somehow clumsily wrote.
  29. pts-m
    pts-m 16 November 2015 20: 27
    Nirazu regretted the service Two years a day. And how much I learned! I still remember one colleague from Donetsk who did not go to Termez with us. However, after so many years, fate caught up with him. I really don’t know what I’m shooting. As they say ... you will not escape fate ...
  30. Welcome to hell
    Welcome to hell 16 November 2015 22: 26
    Quote: Vladycat
    Real 360 'reversal. On the face of the health of society. ;)

    Well, well, recovery, we have a minimum of 30 to 50t rubles that they would ask to be taken away, and this minimum, if the cha has a tower and a driver’s license, what kind of evasion, I personally had to change my registration so that they would call me))) for another two weeks and I'm on an urgent basis)))
  31. Kaiten
    Kaiten 16 November 2015 23: 30
    The army is she as a woman, as you are to her, so she is to you. If a soldier believes that the army is an empty place of forwarding, then he is an empty place for the entire duration of his service and will be the same empty-headed demobilized without special prospects for a civilian. And if a soldier has a head on his shoulders, then he will certainly find his place in the army, advance, and acquire a profession. And after demobilization will be able to immediately start working in the profession or acquire a new one.
  32. njerd
    njerd 17 November 2015 03: 43
    In general, for this idea, I trampled my boots for two years. But I don’t quite understand. I have a friend, he did not mow, just disabled, since childhood. With a foot problem, he also did not get into the civil service?
    1. would
      would 17 November 2015 13: 29
      By law, this will not happen by itself. We will not recall the implementation of laws by the military enlistment office.

      He has legal grounds for not performing military service, which means that "a certificate instead of a military card" (it is it that strikes in rights) cannot be issued to him. Such a certificate is issued only to those who have not passed military service legally, that is, registered, successfully passed the medical commission, did not appear at the military registration and enlistment office on the agenda.
  33. vlad33
    vlad33 18 November 2015 10: 03
    he himself worked for a year (2008-2009) at the military registration and enlistment office, albeit in a different direction, but I've seen enough of such "cartoons", enough for a lifetime, but now such a turn? well, let's see how it goes next ...