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Remington: the simplest rifle in the world!

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It is said that 80% of men in the soul of the killer. And it is quite possible to believe this, if we recall our thousand-year biological history: men hunted for game, and women collected cereals. It is therefore not surprising that we are pleased to keep weapon in his hands, have him at home, read articles about him in magazines, and even shoot himself out of him - what could be there. And every man has, in general, his favorite sample - someone has an army machine gun (“love of youth”), someone bought an expensive Winchester in the states for bucks (“just like in cowboy movies”), and somebody else. I personally really like ... Remington rifles with a folding bolt (or with a crane, so they say). However, for some reason, we don’t have much to say about offensively, although in the history of the armed struggle of the late XIX - early XX centuries. she had a chance to play a very important role!


Remington: the simplest rifle in the world!

Remington carabiner .46 1865 caliber of the year.

Well, the story of this weapon will need to start with the thought that one of the quirks of the history of technology is that a good idea often occurs to different people in the head, and at about the same time. But more often it happens that a good idea of ​​one is used by a completely different person. And that's just the story of the Remington rifle from this number. And, by the way, she is very instructive in all respects.


Eliphalet Remington.

Eliphalet Remington himself was born on October 28 1793 of the year, and 12 August 1861 died. Like many other Americans, he was born in a family of immigrants from England, who left to seek happiness overseas. Becoming a blacksmith, at the age of 23 for years, he made a good rifle for which he forged a barrel, and bought a mechanism from a visiting merchant. And since I liked the rifle, and it worked out the technology, the only thing was to open its own manufacturing company, which he did. The firm was called "E. Remington and Son.


Remington capsule revolver "New Model" arr. 1858 of the year.

The company was officially registered in the city of Illion, in the state of New York in 1825. Father and son worked together for 19 years, after which they took on the nephew of Elipalet Sr. - Philo Remington. And then two more sons of the company's founder, Samuel and Elipalet the Third, joined the family business.


1875 cartridge revolver .44 caliber, decorated with engraving.

After that, the company was renamed “E. Remington and Sons. " Under this name, the company worked until 1888, until the reins of the grandsons of the company's founder, Graeme and Gartley Remington, were taken over. The brothers decided that the “Remington Arms Company” sounds more solid than the previous name, invented by their grandfather, and, without hesitation, changed it for the third time. Under this name, it still exists today, however, it no longer only releases weapons.


Remington revolving rifle.

For the first time, the company became famous thanks to the revolver created by 1863, which competed with Colt himself (he, by the way, was already dead at the time!) And was adopted by the American army. The success of the revolver, which had an integral closed frame in contrast to the Colt revolvers, led its owners to the idea of ​​releasing also revolver carbines of the same system. Well, and at almost the same time with this revolver and its revolving rifles, the company released its world masterpiece - the cavalry carbine with the so-called crane bolt or “rolling block” bolt, as the Americans themselves call it.

And it was not Remington and not his sons who invented it, but one Leonard Geiger. For a long time they thought that he was an employee of Remington. However, thanks to the new research done by Ed Hull, it became known that Geiger not only did not work for the Remington family, he may even have never met them.


The bolt and trigger carbine arr. 1865 of the year.

But Joseph Ryder was indeed an employee of Remington and he developed his own shutter almost simultaneously with Geiger. In any case, the similarities between the ideas of Geiger and Ryder are evident. Ryder received his patent on 15 Nov. 1864 of the year. Geiger - April 17 1866. And here, instead of suing, the Remington firm bought patent rights from Geiger. Geiger’s two brothers were enriched on this, but the bolt of Joseph’s design was now called “Remington” by everyone!


The shutter is open.

However, the company managed to produce rifles under the Ryder patent, which received the designation “Carabiner of the old model”. In March 1864 of the year, the federal government ordered 1000 of such .46 carbines (11,6-mm) for ring-ignition cartridges. In December, the contract was revised, and the order increased to 5000 copies. The first 1250 was released in February, 1865, more than 1500 was produced in March, and the final delivery was made on 30 April 1865. At the same time, Remington signed the second contract (in October 1864 of the year) on 15000 carbines, known as the “second model”. They were designed for a more powerful .50 caliber cartridge (12,7-mm) Spencer also ring ignition, which were used in the seven-charge carbine 1865 model of the year. The first 1000 was delivered to the army in September 1865 of the year, five months after the cessation of hostilities. The remaining 14000 carbines were manufactured by March 1866, and the army declared them redundant. Therefore, in November, the company 1870, the company bought the entire supply and sold the rifles to France, where they were used during the Franco-Prussian war!

Successful weapons were carbines. Anyway, for riders. That carabiner "Remington Sporting" in the fateful battle with the Indians at Little Big Horn in 1876, was armed and General Custer. Already the general (albeit, who fought there with the rank of colonel), probably could afford any weapon. But I chose the non-patriotic Bulldog large-caliber revolvers and ... the Remington single-shot carbine!


Remington Rifle 1871 on the Spanish .43 cartridge caliber Spanish production. Produced by the Spanish National Arsenal in Oviedo.

Well, the crane gates themselves were also produced not by the Remington Company, but by the Savage Company from Middleton, Connecticut. That is, everything was as before, when Eliphlet Remington himself forged the barrels to his rifles!

Well, now look at the technique itself. After all, before us, undoubtedly, the most ingenious shutter for a rifle of all times and peoples, and there is simply no equal to it in its completion, simplicity and reliability.


Patent by Leonard Geiger.

Let us turn to the Geiger patent, because everything is very clearly visible and understandable in the drawing from it. What immediately bribed Remington’s gunsmith technologists, this shutter is its simplicity and high manufacturability. After all, the entire shutter consisted of only three main parts, two axes and four springs, not counting the screws. The bolt itself had the shape of an inverted P, well, and the trigger for the cartridge with a circular ignition was typical of its time and consisted of a needle and a striker. Both of these parts were large and therefore durable, rotated on massive axes, so there was simply nothing to break in the bolt! In this case, the trigger pulled into the middle groove of the bolt and, in fact, in the closed state was one with it.


Fastening the axles of the shutter with one screwed plate. After its removal, they could be easily pushed out and the bolt and trigger removed.

This shutter acted like that. In order to make a shot, it was necessary to pull the trigger back with a thumb. At the same time he was kept in this position with a trigger. Then the U-shaped bolt was retracted, which had been cut under the fingers on its protrusions to the left and to the right. Now it was possible to insert a cartridge into the barrel and press it with a bolt, spring-loaded from the bottom with a special spring. After that, it remained to aim and pull the trigger. The latter entered the bolt, tightly supporting it in such a way that no recoil force could jointly throw them back, and at the same time with its striker struck the rim of the cartridge.

A shot followed, after which everything had to be done in reverse order. In this case, the extractor pushed the sleeve from the barrel, and the rifle was ready for reloading.


Sports carbine .32 caliber.

From 1867 to 1896, Remington has produced a huge number of rifles and carbines for cartridges with black powder. For example, in 1869, only Turkey alone delivered 125000 rifles of this system.


One of the many models of the Remington rifle.

And then the Berdanovsky cartridge of the central battlefield appeared, and the company had to remake its bolt to the novelty. It all came down to the following changes: for example, the bolt acquired the form of a trigger, inside of which the channel for the striker passed. On its right side, a curved plate ("needle") was installed to retract it. And this is all change! Now the trigger struck the striker and, just as before, it was tightly locked in the dead center.


Advertising leaflet company "Remington".

Moreover, despite the fact that in the 1896 year many countries had already switched to multiply charged rifles, Remington still produced single-charge batteries, but already for cartridges with smokeless powder and sold them all over the world. Rifles were manufactured in the following calibers: 6-mm (.236 caliber "Remington"), 7-mm for Mauser cartridges for Spain and Brazil, 7,62-mm (.30 caliber for USA), and 7,65-mm for Belgium, Argentina, Chile and Colombia . What lured? Cheap - because the cost of a rifle was only 15 dollars with a bayonet. And high combat qualities. For example, the length of the barrel was emphasized - 30 inches, despite the fact that she herself was shorter than many others, and her weight was about 4 kg with a bayonet. The rifle's rate of fire was higher than that of many store samples and reached 15 rounds per minute.

The sighting range was 900 meters, although some rifles had sights and 1280 meters. To disassemble and clean it was also easy and convenient. Both axles of the trigger and bolt were kept from falling out of a special plate on the left side of the receiver with a conventional screw. It was enough to unscrew it, both of these axes hammer out, as well as the bolt and the trigger were easily removed, and the barrel could be cleaned on both sides! As a result, even the papal guard in the Vatican made her their own service weapon!


Remington rifle .50-70 caliber of the National Guard of New York.
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  1. D-Master
    D-Master 2 November 2015 06: 52 New
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    Thank you so much for the article. The article is wide, with detailed explanations - very nice to read. It would be great if a whole series of articles about rifles of that time was born. There were still the finest Snyder rifles. And the Berdan rifle is generally considered a masterpiece. Thank you in advance. And the article is of course bold +
    1. kalibr
      2 November 2015 07: 03 New
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      I’ll write about everything I’ve held on to myself, because it’s not interesting to rewrite someone else’s. So something like a cycle will come out. But it will be strange, since I didn’t manage to "hold out" for everything.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 2 November 2015 12: 50 New
        +1
        Great article. A video of the mechanism would make it even better.
      2. Astrey
        Astrey 2 November 2015 15: 35 New
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        Correct solution! yes good

        I will live to "hold out" normally, I will do the same!
    2. 2s1122
      2s1122 3 November 2015 12: 16 New
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      Klas, you begin to recall the stories of Finimore Cooper and Jack London :-) Indians and gold miners are childhood heroes. good THANKS.
  2. gaura
    gaura 2 November 2015 07: 24 New
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    if we recall our thousand-year biological history: men hunted game, and women collected cereals.

    Old-timers say .... what
  3. ovod84
    ovod84 2 November 2015 08: 02 New
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    A good article, did not even know about the existence of a rimmington rifle.
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    2. gjv
      gjv 2 November 2015 12: 20 New
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      Quote: ovod84
      didn't even know about the existence of a rimmington rifle

      Doesn’t the TV work? Funny movie, albeit modern.

      At 3:48 it is mentioned: "Do you know how Olegych sits down on a hunt from Remington?" bully
  4. 31rus
    31rus 2 November 2015 08: 26 New
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    It’s very good that there will be a cycle and exactly as the author intended, thanks, we are waiting
  5. bionik
    bionik 2 November 2015 08: 32 New
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    The Remington M1858 Capsule Revolver, also known as the Remington New Model, was developed by Eliphalet Remington & Sons, an American company, and is available in .36 and .44 calibres. Because Colt was the patent holder, Remington was forced to pay royalties on every issued revolver, so the price of Remington revolvers was significantly higher than for similar Colt revolvers. Revolver Remington M1858 was produced until 1875.

    Over the years, 17 132 000 revolvers Remington M1858 .44 caliber (military model with a barrel length of 8 inches) and caliber .36 (maritime model with a barrel length 7,375 inches) were released. In total there were three large releases that were almost identical - small differences consisted in the appearance of the trigger, the device of the barrel-mounted lever and the drum.

    From a technical point of view, the Remington M1858 is a six-shot capsule revolver with a solid frame, which is loaded by placing ready-made cartridges in a paper case or black powder bullets in the drum chamber from the muzzle side, after which capsules are placed in the breech part of the drum.

    Trigger mechanism single action (eng. Single Action, SA), manual fuses are missing.

    Some Remington M1858 TTX caliber .44, with a barrel length of 8 inches:
    - the initial velocity of the bullet, m / s - about 350;
    - sighting range, m - 70-75;
    - weight, kg - 1,270;
    - length, mm - 337.

    Revolvers Remington M1858 were in service with the army in the United States, the British and Russian empires, Japan, Mexico and others.
    Remington M1858 was actively reworked under the unitary cartridge. Since 1868, the company itself has launched a conversion version of the Remington M1858 revolver chambered for .46 caliber ring ignition on black powder.
  6. silver169
    silver169 2 November 2015 09: 22 New
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    And today Remington hunting rifles are considered one of the best in the world. High-quality and inexpensive, they are deservedly popular with many hunters and are an ideal option for tuning.
    1. Dam
      Dam 3 November 2015 01: 23 New
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      Damn, who told you that? The cost of a trigger for 700 is comparable to the cost of the rifle itself. In order for the policeman to start shooting the dough at her, you need to drive in three times more than its value. Even the 100 series of Sauer shoots out of the box better than a police officer. And the work of its shutter is generally very amateur. No need to produce myths.
      1. silver169
        silver169 23 November 2015 09: 36 New
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        The new 700th Remington for less than Au $ 1200 - Au $ 1300 you can’t buy from us in Australia. And these are the prices for the cheapest models of the 700th. And here are such approximate prices for the most popular USMs for the 700th: Timney Trigger from Au $ 150 to Au $ 250, Basix Trigger - Au $ 150 - Au $ 200, Huber Staged break Trigger - Au $ 400 - Au $ 500 ... As you can see, before price comparability USM and the rifles themselves are very far away. So catch the minus from me, you deserve it ... hi
  7. Bayonet
    Bayonet 2 November 2015 09: 51 New
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    Thank! Great article. hi
    1. kalibr
      2 November 2015 10: 30 New
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      Wait for the continuation. It is already done!
  8. kvs207
    kvs207 2 November 2015 10: 09 New
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    in 1869, 125000 rifles of this system were delivered to Turkey alone.
    So, against the Turks with these rifles, Russian troops fought, armed with rifles, the same American, Berdan.
    1. kalibr
      2 November 2015 10: 28 New
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      Rifles Berdan were only in the guards and the grenadiers! And the army fought with Sylvester Krnka and Carla’s rifles. Shells had to knock out of the trunks of a brick. Moreover, the rifling of the sights was only on the 600 m. And the Turks' Martini-Henry rifle had the cutting on the 1200. Hence, the huge losses of our troops ...
      1. erg
        erg 2 November 2015 14: 08 New
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        Is it like knocking out a sleeve from a barrel with a brick? You can at least imagine this process or write on the principle - I hear a ringing, but I don’t know where it is? And what is the scope of the sights? The sight has divisions, rifling in the barrel.
        1. Zai pali
          Zai pali 2 November 2015 16: 53 New
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          Quote: erg
          Is it like knocking out a sleeve from a barrel with a brick?

          Teenagers do not understand the flight of thought. But you must. I’m wondering where to get a brick on the battlefield?
        2. kalibr
          2 November 2015 19: 49 New
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          So, I never write what I don't know, I don't have such a bad habit. I also know about rifling in the barrel, but there is a term "rifling of the sight". It was applied at that time. Our officers left memoirs where they complained that the cartridges were not extracted well and the soldiers knocked them out with a ramrod with a brick. Perhaps it was also a cobblestone, but this does not change the essence.
          1. erg
            erg 2 November 2015 20: 40 New
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            Memoirs please indicate. Then there will be no questions.
            1. kalibr
              2 November 2015 20: 48 New
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              The magazine Sergeant will suit you? This is a very authoritative publication. There was an article about the weapons of the Russian-Turkish war, citing sources. You need you and look for.
              1. erg
                erg 2 November 2015 21: 50 New
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                Errors are frequent in periodicals like the sergeant, Zeichhaus, etc. Often, the authors of the articles themselves later point to them in the Zeichhaus at least. So you need to use several sources. I read a lot of literature on weapons-related topics, the work of gunsmiths of the past, such as Fedorov, and the research of our contemporaries, for example, Viktor Khristich, a weapons designer. But I have never met the terminology you indicated. But the excuse you need and you are looking for, indicates illiteracy and the usual 3,14 ....... est (sorry for being rude), who said it.
                1. kalibr
                  5 November 2015 07: 37 New
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                  Well, then I am an illiterate person and that's all. But here you are literate, knowing everything, but do not write any leshego. Please, encyclopedic of Fedorov and Khristich!
              2. gross kaput
                gross kaput 2 November 2015 22: 00 New
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                Quote: kalibr
                Sergeant Magazine will suit you

                So memoirs or an article not in the most famous and long-dead journalist of uniformists? laughing
                1. kalibr
                  5 November 2015 07: 57 New
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                  Any material in any journal is important if there are references to sources, is not it? You yourself also refer to something? And for some reason I have to believe you? Funny
              3. Turkir
                Turkir 3 November 2015 01: 42 New
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                Our officers left a memoir where they complained that the cartridges were poorly extracted and the soldiers knocked them out ramrod

                Well, you give! Everyone was misled, where, in your quote, "was it knocked out with a brick?"
                Ramrod and brick are two different things. Inattention is a terrible thing, it can lead us all to a heart attack. belay smile
                1. kalibr
                  5 November 2015 07: 39 New
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                  Tenderness is decent lady. A little tension of thought and everything can be understood.
          2. erg
            erg 2 November 2015 21: 16 New
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            The 6-line Krk infantry rifle had the same device as the 6-line 1856 infantry rifle. Designed for shooting from 200 to 1200 steps. Had the appropriate scale (notches and numbers) on the sighting pad. Yes, the tests carried out on March 3, 1869, by a commission (formed on March 1 of the same year) with sawn sleeves showed that the Krnka system maintains a normal extraction of sleeves, in contrast to the Baranov system, where the sleeves had to be knocked out with a ramrod.
          3. cast iron
            cast iron 3 November 2015 02: 19 New
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            You don't know anything. Nothing at all. It gives you with a sight at 600 and 1200 meters. You are an amateur who saw weapons in pictures on the Internet. I tell you the secret. With an open sight, you’re not that you won’t get anywhere, but even at 1200m you have nothing to catch. At 500 meters, the AKM front sight covers half of the car. Where are you going to shoot from an open sight for a kilometer? Into the sky?
            1. erg
              erg 3 November 2015 07: 07 New
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              For those who are embarrassed by the specified distance. Table of instructions for shooting from rifles, carbine, revolvers. True from 1916.
              1. cast iron
                cast iron 5 November 2015 01: 42 New
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                Yes, they do not bother anyone. It’s just one thing written instructions and manuals and another thing when you are not able to get into the barn at 800 meters in fact. Sights are not enough stupidly. Moreover, there is no visual confirmation of getting at such a distance. Fiction.
        3. Dam
          Dam 3 November 2015 01: 29 New
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          Sorry for the minus, by chance
      2. Dam
        Dam 3 November 2015 01: 28 New
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        Your mother, you’ll get from a modern barrel with 800 optics, and then discuss cutting the sight. And even easier, look through a stump at 500 m into a growth figure, you look and questions will disappear by themselves. And try someday to get a sleeve with a brick. Do not be like a donkey, describing something that you have no idea .. I have the honor.
        1. gross kaput
          gross kaput 3 November 2015 11: 47 New
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          Quote: Damm
          Your mother, you’ll get from a modern barrel with 800 optics,

          To begin with, realize that the combat use of the infantry rifle is very different from hunting, and from benchrest, and even from sniper shooting. Open the army "basics of shooting small arms" and learn a lot of new things, for example, what is the reality of shooting and the mathematical calculation of the probability of hitting a target, as well as the fact that targets on the battlefield are not only single height and chest, shooting is often conducted over long distances in the composition subunits on target designation and commanders' commands - observer - "landmark 2 I am observing am kamaz" commander - "platoon sight" 8 ", target - kamaz, lead two corps, single fire". So the 1000-1200 bars on the army rifle station are not something useless and unnecessary, but have a completely utilitarian meaning.
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 5 November 2015 01: 45 New
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            However, the practice of large wars shows the exact opposite. Real shooting battle takes place at distances up to 500m from personal weapons. Most of them are generally at a distance of up to 300m. For even with an optical sight to get a kilometer is very difficult. And if there is an irregular replenishment of supplies, then no one will be engaged in a waste of ammunition, so that they do not write to you in the instructions.
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 5 November 2015 10: 47 New
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              Quote: cast iron
              However, the practice of large wars shows the exact opposite.

              The practice of large wars has shown that to disable one enemy requires from 10 to 000 rounds. wink
              Quote: cast iron
              so that they don’t write to you there.

              That's what a piece of instruction is written by smart people and they are adjusted as a result of the analysis of hostilities. And if everything was as simple as it seems to you, a long, long time ago they would have introduced pillars like on saigas or tigers - up to 300 meters, but what, all the same, after all, firing on the growth figure will not work further because the fly cover size is this range is already greater. laughing
  9. gross kaput
    gross kaput 2 November 2015 13: 43 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    turkey rifle martini henry had a cut for 1200

    Well, as if the Turks Martini-Henry was not happy laughing and the meters were not held in high esteem then - the Anglo-Saxons have more and more yards and we have steps. Yes, and I would not rely on Fedorov's opinion in this matter, because the "history of the rifle" was written by him in the late 30s, in terms of tsarist Russia it was already very politicized - at that time it could not be otherwise. If we discard the crack designed to show the backwardness of the tsarist government, it turns out that the Turks were armed with outdated 14,7 mm Snyder rifles with a folding bolt - approximately corresponding in design and performance to the Russian Krnka rifles and the Peabody-Martinny rifle under .455 Turkish with a notched up to 1400 yards with a bar, which corresponds to 1280 m, and Berdan's rifle No. 2 had a bar up to 1600 steps, which corresponds to 1163 m - isn't it a glaring difference as much as 100 meters laughing Carle's rifles at that time were no longer in combat units. But in the Russian army there were at least 45 Berdan No. 000 and at that time no less than 1 thousand Berdan 150 (of which 000 million were riveted from 2 to 1871) Yes, and the Berdan cartridge in ballistics was still better than .1891 Turkish and the sliding bolt system itself is more reliable.
    1. kalibr
      2 November 2015 19: 51 New
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      Carla's rifles were in the army who fought in the Caucasus.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 2 November 2015 20: 31 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Carla's rifles were in the army who fought in the Caucasus.

        With the same success, we can say that during the Second World War, Berdan rifles were used - which, in principle, will be true, because in some places on the 41st the people's militia received them, but how many were there? The same is with Karle in the Caucasus, by 1874 there were practically none of them left in the troops - "natural decline -" you understand laughing so that to the Russian-Turkish they remained only with the disabled teams and foragers. laughing
        1. kalibr
          2 November 2015 20: 36 New
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          There is also other information that it was with them that Kars and Argadan were taken and they defended Bayazet. I also note that here is a serious site, and the faces in the text are usually pimply boys put ...
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 2 November 2015 21: 55 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            There is other information that it was with them that Kars and Argadan were taken and defended Bayazet.

            Duc no respected, all your information is from one source - from Fedorov's books, and not from his serious monographs but from popular science published in the USSR by the publishing house "Detgiz", and not even from them, but from articles based on chapters from his books, I myself am a sinner - at one time I sprinkled an article on arming the Russian army in 1812. on the basis of his data from his books and a series of articles from the journal "Tekhnika-Molodezhi", the truth was back in 1993 and I was then 16 years old laughing. So if instead of telling something about the memoirs of officers of the Russian-Turkish war (which you apparently didn’t see in your eyes) and bragging about your visits to museums, you would really read serious materials on this subject (which are already enough ) you look and the real state of things would be revealed to you.
            Quote: kalibr
            I also note that here is a serious site, and usually pimple boys put faces in the text ...

            "Oh, how much sadness is not expressed in his eyes" Ts. Well, excuse me, unlike you, the "real" remington did not hold in my hands, which tempts you to boast that it is exactly the sign of a "pimply" kid laughing, and from school I do not write essays on the book I have read.
            1. kalibr
              5 November 2015 07: 46 New
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              А
              Quote: gross kaput
              Yes, and from school I do not write essays on the book read.

              And I'm doing quite successfully. And such experts, as Bender wrote, should be killed with a slingshot. It will be necessary to answer seriously, I will find both memoirs and references to archival documents, because all this has not been invented. But I butt with you? I see no meaning. If you were a doctor of science, it would be flattering for me to prove something to him, and it’s so easy ... I’m sorry for the time.
              1. gross kaput
                gross kaput 5 November 2015 10: 37 New
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                Quote: kalibr
                And such experts, as Bender wrote, must be killed from a slingshot.

                Very self-critical, I looked at your "work" and you are a wide-profile specialist - starting from politics, tanks, armor and ending with gynecology - a kind of multi-profile graphomaniac "writing" 1-2 articles a day laughing
                Quote: kalibr
                But shall I butt you? I do not see the point

                It is absolutely true only with the opposite sign - if I have been interested in small arms for a quarter of a century, and this has been my profession for a long time, and it’s just not interesting for me to hang out with an amateur who saw an ancient rem in the museum because of this horny article.
                Quote: kalibr
                prove something to him

                In order to prove something to someone, you need to have knowledge and you have only ambitions, it is such specialists in everything that Zadornov calls "coekakers". laughing
                1. kalibr
                  5 November 2015 17: 32 New
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                  And we are "colleagues" with you. You have been dealing with weapons for a quarter of a century, and I have been dealing with tanks since 1980, knightly armament since 1995, and then weapons were used. And writing articles and books is my profession. Someone bakes rolls, and someone else bakes articles. Try it, it's interesting and you get paid for it. Both here and abroad. There is more - try it if you are such a good specialist. They are well paid there. Write? And what is Zadornov a specialist in?
    2. kalibr
      2 November 2015 21: 50 New
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      I took it from Markevich. He also sold the Bolsheviks?
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 3 November 2015 02: 24 New
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        You took this from your sick imagination. The amateur who saw the weapon only in the pictures.
        1. kalibr
          5 November 2015 07: 48 New
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          Specify the page, publisher, year of publication? And why poke, I do not drink with people of low culture on brotherhood.
        2. kalibr
          5 November 2015 17: 37 New
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          Fi, how rude and stupid! Markevich V.E. well-known specialist in this field. There is his book: Handguns. Polygon. Sp.B. 1994. That's it ... And originally it was published in the 1937 year, that is, at the time of serious, then the lie was equated with counter-revolutionary activities. It was necessary to have a link to any fact, any figure!
  10. glavnykarapuz
    glavnykarapuz 2 November 2015 15: 26 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    Rifles Berdan were only in the guards and the grenadiers! And the army fought with Sylvester Krnka and Carla’s rifles. Shells had to knock out of the trunks of a brick. Moreover, the rifling of the sights was only on the 600 m. And the Turks' Martini-Henry rifle had the cutting on the 1200. Hence, the huge losses of our troops ...

    Was he standing nearby and saw everything? wink
    And about cutting sights fun wrote.
    Write more! Although no, learn better and do not skip.
    1. Zai pali
      Zai pali 2 November 2015 16: 57 New
      +1
      How are you talking to the colonel?
      1. glavnykarapuz
        glavnykarapuz 7 November 2015 16: 05 New
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        Zai Pali, it is he (kalibr) only here he has the label "colonel". Even if not on the Internet some real title has, I don't care.
        Let it be here nonsense with a clever look does not write.
    2. kalibr
      2 November 2015 19: 55 New
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      Imagine standing and seeing. I saw in the museum of the Don Cossacks and the artillery museum in St. Petersburg. Is that enough? You yourself Sema from what will?
    3. glavnykarapuz
      glavnykarapuz 7 November 2015 16: 01 New
      -1
      He (kalibr) from my insult to my comment also slapped a minus.
      His revenge is terrible. laughing
      P.S. still stood and saw cutting sights? and everything in the museum was shown? and this too? this is about "about the shells that had to be knocked out of the trunks with a brick"
      I’m naive, I thought cutting it on the trunks (inside) for bullets, but I will know laughing
      P.P.S. They carry water on the offended (passage about you about whose will you). Kazhist you still ran to revenge on my other comments with a "sleeper"? wink
      P.P.P.S. I'm here on you (kalibr) even putting a minus is not interesting.
      1. kalibr
        10 November 2015 20: 17 New
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        Actually, I did not bet you a minus. There is someone to do it without me. By the way, I already asked you, you Syoma, who will you be? Is your opinion worth anything? And it is just ridiculous to be offended by the anonym Do not judge people by yourself.
  11. 97110
    97110 2 November 2015 17: 04 New
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    Rifle "Remington .50-70 caliber
    What does -70 caliber mean? .50 understandable. This is actually the caliber, as they say in Russia - the fiftieth. What is -70? Barrel length in calibres? Why not. Cartridge length in mm? This is unlikely - they have not gone far from inches to this day. The threat is to see a number of interesting articles on an interesting topic. Enlighten my grayness, what kind of digital? Somehow I have not met such designations in the literature. Yes, and this literature is almost never met. Thanks in advance.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 2 November 2015 17: 40 New
      +4
      The .50-70 Government is an obsolete American central-ignition rifle cartridge designed for the Springfield Model 1866 state-of-the-art rifle. Originally designed to meet the requirements of the US Army. It has a cylindrical sleeve with a rim, designed for equipment with black powder. It was adopted under the designation US Center-fire Metallic Cartridge, until it was replaced by the cartridge .45-70 Government in 1873. .50 - designation of the diameter of the bullet in tenths of an inch, with the actual caliber .515 inches (13,1 mm)
      70 - black powder charge weight in grains (4,54 gram)
      450 - lead bullet weight in grains (29,16 gram)
      1. 97110
        97110 2 November 2015 22: 21 New
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        Igor, thanks. Somehow I had to charge the brass sleeves of 12 gauge with smoke powder. In calm weather it is better not to shoot.
    2. kalibr
      2 November 2015 20: 02 New
      0
      All literature is foreign. "The all New Collector's Guide to Remington Rolling Block Military Rifles of the World" George j. Layman | Andrew Mowbray incorporated Pub. 2010
      Here you Igor39 replied remarkably: .50-70 Government is an outdated American central-ignition rifle cartridge designed for the Springfield Model 1866 breech-loading rifle. Originally designed for the requirements of the American army. It has a cylindrical sleeve with a rim, designed for equipment with black powder. It was put into service under the designation US Center-fire Metallic Cartridge, until it was replaced by the .45-70 Government cartridge in the 1873 year. .50 - designation of the diameter of the bullet in tenths of an inch, with the actual caliber .515 inch (13,1 mm)
      70 - black powder charge weight in grains (4,54 gram)
      450 - lead bullet weight in grains (29,16 gram)
  12. Vivat
    Vivat 2 November 2015 18: 11 New
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    Great article! Thank! With interesting I will wait to continue.
  13. moskowit
    moskowit 2 November 2015 19: 07 New
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    Above all praise! It would be nice to have more such articles. Thanks!
    1. kalibr
      2 November 2015 19: 56 New
      +1
      As I wrote above - will be continued. First by Remington ... Then - next.
  14. serg2108
    serg2108 2 November 2015 21: 58 New
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    we look forward to the author respect and respect fellow
  15. Des10
    Des10 3 November 2015 19: 20 New
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    Thanks for the article and the following controversy. This is what VO should be.
  16. NIKNN
    NIKNN 4 November 2015 18: 47 New
    +2
    Thanks to the author! Unconditional "+". I read it with great pleasure. I look forward to the next articles.
    Good luck in your work. hi
  17. Logos
    Logos 4 November 2015 21: 17 New
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    Quote: cast iron
    You don't know anything. Nothing at all. It gives you with a sight at 600 and 1200 meters. You are an amateur who saw weapons in pictures on the Internet. I tell you the secret. With an open sight, you’re not that you won’t get anywhere, but even at 1200m you have nothing to catch. At 500 meters, the AKM front sight covers half of the car. Where are you going to shoot from an open sight for a kilometer? Into the sky?

    He put a well-deserved minus for rudeness and ignorance. It is quite possible to shoot at a group target (not a single one) from such distances. And given that the infantry column will be more than half a car in size, then hitting the target in the mid-19th century, when the infantry walked in columns, and the concepts of "rifle chain" and "loose formation" have not yet taken root in the oak brains of the old school generals , quite possibly