"Sleeve" and "Boomerang"

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(note, the picture used to illustrate the article is only a supposed type of armored "Arm")

Recently, informational activity has been observed around the mysterious "unified platform Boomerang." Apparently, people quite poorly understand what it is, so fantastic versions are born that the point of buying Italian light armored vehicles "Lynx" is precisely in the use of "technology and nodes" "Rysey" in the design of "Boomerang" ...

I dared to do a little analysis, roughly describing the future car, as well as some information for reflection. But as long as there are no images, and even less a photo of the car, we just have to wait. How many? Find out in the article.

"Sleeve"

The BTR-90, which appeared to the public back in the 1994 year, was carried on for a very long time and was formally adopted for use in the 2008 year, but it was never mass-produced. The army abandoned the “sprout”, and an informal rejection of the BTR occurred shortly after its “adoption”.

The reason is a constructive flaw, in view of the classic Soviet BTR scheme with an engine in the stern and a landing party dismounting in the side hatches. What suited the Soviet military and the Russian GABTU until recently (before the significant military reform of the current leadership) was no longer suitable for the current conditions.

But there was an attempt to solve the problem with little blood, this was mentioned in an interview with Sergei Suvorov, a representative of the "MIC", back in the 2008 year. It consisted in the installation in the BTR-90 of the engine UTD-32 from the BMP-3. This very compact and flat engine, when installed in the BTR-90 overall hull, could give a unique opportunity - three exits for the landing: two standard side hatches and aft, with a “tunnel” above the engine (like the BMP-3 and BMD). Well, in addition, hatches on the roof.

Unfortunately, there is no further information (and any images) about such a “remotorized” BTR-90.

Actually after this begins story "Sleeve". For the first time, the media have started talking about the new BTR-based BTR-90 in 2010, with reference to AMZ. The use of this BTR is mentioned in the annual report of the plant for the 2009 year. But even earlier, in 2008, the same S. Suvorov mentioned a completely new BTR with a fodder landing, which is not a “remotorized” BTR-90.

What did the media say about the new APC?

According to the agency interlocutor, the “Gilza” BTR project is a modification of AMZ armored vehicles, known under the BTR-90 brand.

In the year 90, the BTR-2008 successfully passed the acceptance tests of the RF Ministry of Defense, however, for reasons beyond the company's control, the troops received only a few samples of the BTR.

According to AMZ, the main design feature of the new BTR is that the landing party will be able to land from the rear of the armored vehicle, and not from the side. On the BTR of this series, it is proposed to place a machine gun, a cannon, a grenade launcher and an ATGM (a double shot of which increases the armor penetration 2 times). The maneuverability of the armored personnel carriers of the new project should increase significantly, although the total mass of the BTR will be 24 t, while the average weight of the BTR-80 and BTR-82, depending on the weapons, is 12 –15 t.


"Sleeve" and "Boomerang"


Presumptive view of the BTR "Sleeve", made by Allocer, a member of the militaryrussia.ru resource, based on drawings of the BTR-90 from A. Koschavtsev.

This image was based on this official brochure:



It shows that the whole family of unified machines with a full weight up to 24 tons was intended. All of them were united by a chassis with a middle location of the engine, which made it possible to have a full-fledged ramp for the landing in the BTR version.

But one way or another, the Bilka "Gilza" is also rejected .... in favor of a more sophisticated vehicle.

"Boomerang"

For the first time about the "Boomerang" (as well as about "Armata", and "Kurganze-25", and "Typhoon"), the world learned 2010 from the pages of the magazine "Red Star" in October from the words of SV Commander Alexander Postnikov himself. It was said about some "unified medium-type platforms", "with the level of protection of infantry fighting vehicles" and "intended for actions in difficult terrain and in coastal areas of the sea, carrying out raids to the rear of the enemy, as well as for dealing with the enemy's small-sized (portable) anti-tank weapons ".

A little later, there was a clarification: "The Boomerang system armored personnel carriers, the creation of which is currently at the development stage, will be handed over to medium-sized teams." Postnikov noted that "these machines will be floating."

Finally, Dmitry Galkin, Director General of VPK LLC, spoke in more detail about the new platform:

Works on the new platform are performed by the Arzamas Machine-Building Plant, which is part of the military-industrial complex. "Now the company's activity is focused on development work on the creation of a battle wheeled platform ordered by the Ministry of Defense," Galkin said. "This is the next generation combat vehicle."
According to him, the new car "will not look like a single modern BTR." "And this is not the BTR. We call it a" wheeled combat vehicle, "because at its base both the BTR and the BMP will be created, as well as a tank or a heavy weapon," said the head of the military-industrial complex.
He explained that within the framework of "modernization and rearmament of the Russian Armed Forces, the military department ordered simultaneously three types of development work: a wheeled vehicle — the military industrial complex company, a medium tracked vehicle — Kurganmashzavod” and a heavy tracked vehicle — Uralvagonzavod. ” maximum unification of all three cars.
“All these machines can be unambiguously unified across the CICS (on-board information and control system), aiming systems, communication systems, and combat modules,” the military-industrial complex head informed. Two prototypes of the wheeled vehicle should be built by the end of 2013, he said.
Galkin noted that within the framework of "permissible opportunities" it is planned to use promising foreign developments in this area. "We are now open in this regard, and where the defense and security of the country allows us, we use the best practices that exist in the world," he said.
The head of the company said that the development work being carried out is part of the State Armaments Program until 2020, and the armored vehicles being created by the new generation will be delivered to the army as part of this program.


Taking into account this information and information about the work on the "Gilze" we come to the conclusion: the Defense Ministry has embarked on a really maximum unification of combat vehicles, which has significant advantages - and this is also the reason for the closure of the "Sleeve" as more "independent", "non-standardized "systems. However, you should not discard the fact that the "Sleeve" could become outdated at the time of development, based on outdated components (for example, the same UTD-32 engines - after all, they were probably replaced by the "Boomerang" and "Kurgants-25" new engine series).

So, the average wheel platform "Boomerang" is a whole family of wheeled combat vehicles of the medium mass category. Focusing on the total mass of the "Sleeve" family, it can be assumed that these are 24 + - tons. Machine protection will most likely be modular. Among other things (and the armor-ceramic overhead panels will most likely be used), the developments will also be used according to the Typhon light vehicle protection kit in the form of gratings and DZ, which was tested on BTR-90. And this potentially means protection from small-caliber artillery in the frontal projection, protection of the aircraft from large-caliber machine guns (new standards - protection against KPVT from 200 meters) and from RPGs (at least with a monoblock warhead) around.
Considering that already on the BTR-90 the mine protection was significantly enhanced compared to previous models of the BTR, we should expect even better indicators on the Boomerang, especially since recently the MIC has been paying a lot of attention and has experience of such mine machines like the Bear and the Wolf-M. There is also reason to believe that at least most of the cars will have buoyancy and even seaworthiness - the experience of the BTR-90, which withstood the excitement of the sea to 3-x points, will not give way to nothing.

As a result, the machines will resemble their ancestor - they will have a welded, sealed bearing body, the wheel formula 8х8.

The family will include a wheeled tank - apparently, the development of the BO "Octopus-SD", but with a new SLA and, possibly, unified with a 2A82 gun from tank "Armata". It will look something like this:



At one time, AMZ had already made a combat vehicle about the same in combat power - a modification of the Bakhcha BTR-90M.



And also in the USSR they made a wheeled tank destroyer "Sting-S":



So, the “foreign developments” marked by D.Galkin in the form of the Centauro B1 wheeled tank, which, according to rumors, were taken by the MoD for testing, are not at all something exceptional and unique for our country.

In addition, the family of "Boomerang" should include BMP. In fact, the BTR-90 was also a BMP - more precisely, the KBMP, a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle, since, in fact, it did not differ in combat power from the BMP-2.

So the Boomerang BMP will somehow resemble its ancestor 90go. Naturally, with a reservation, he will have a stern output of the landing force, the BW will be unified with the "Kurganets-25" with a completely new weapon complex, and so on ... And yet:



And finally, the actual Boomerang BTR. The subtlety of their difference from the BMP is that the latter has greater firepower. But the armored personnel carrier first of all should transport the infantry - and preferably more infantrymen than in the BMP. This is achieved by the fact that the BTR does not need the bulky combat module of the BMP, which occupies a significant place inside the fighting compartment.

This illustrates this figure (apparently, it was some study of the modification of the BTR-90):



As you can see, instead of a large turret from the BMP-2, a small base was installed above the combat compartment from a remote-controlled machine gun. They can be controlled from a remote control, for example, by the commander of the vehicle, and he will not be placed in the tower of the combat compartment, but may sit next to the driver’s mechanic or with the infantry. As a result, considerable internal volume is freed up for a larger number of infantrymen, the need for a separate interceptor-operator disappears.

Naturally, the wheeled tank, the BMP and the BTR are not the only vehicles in the family. Surely there will be BREM, and KSHM, and sanitary versions, and CAO. Unification and modularity allow you to create a variety of modifications with great ease.

Conclusion:

It remains only to wait for 2013 of the year, when the future “Boomerang” will be shown to us.
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  1. +9
    18 November 2011 08: 43
    we’ll see what happens, but the BTR-90 is a good machine, it’s just apparently developed on time, but belatedly accepted fellow The name "Boomerang" is embarrassing - well at least the ICBM was not called that ... wink interesting idea - let's see what happens ..... but for "Liner" - I really did not like the cabin - too accessible for hits, rises above the large dimensions of the car - more like an armored van, in my opinion even an armored personnel carrier (60, 70, 80 , 90) in silhouette, more suitable for the role of transport in the combat area .......
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      +3
      18 November 2011 09: 59
      Personally, I have great hopes for this project, give the boh so that the developers will succeed.
    2. KGB161rus
      +3
      18 November 2011 12: 06
      The fact is that the BTR90 was recognized as a dead end model, it also does not meet modern requirements (as they said in the Moscow Region), they want the modern BTR to have the engine in front or in the middle, so that the landing can go behind, quickly and efficiently , and not on the sides to climb out of the hatches.
      (I apologize in the article everything is written, I did not read it at the beginning smile )
      1. +1
        18 November 2011 15: 15
        relatively deadlock model - so this MO is a clear example of a dead end in development, and all attempts to develop anything - it slows down! they have everything outdated - the only problem is that it was necessary to take the BTR-90 into service on time for more than 10 years, of course, advanced models (not a lot of Syrian ones) of other countries seem to be modern, but he is also able to give them the odds many things
        1. KGB161rus
          +2
          18 November 2011 15: 35
          Where you would find money in the country 10 years ago, we have enough problems, not just letting go of one defense (I honestly don’t want to list our significant problems now, but all this needs money, what's the point of letting the tank 5 -th generation, when we have teachers and doctors naked and barefoot)!
          1. +2
            18 November 2011 18: 42
            Well, there I wrote above, I thought that it was more than affordable, I will try to chew: -KGB161rusThe fact is that the BTR90 was recognized as a dead end model, just as it does not meet modern requirements (as they said in the Moscow Region), they want the modern armored personnel carrier, the engine to be in the front or in the middle, so that the landing can go behind, quickly and efficiently, and not climb out of the sides of the hatches.
            Dart Weyder regarding the dead end model - so this MO is a clear example of a dead end in development, and all attempts to develop anything - it slows down! they have everything outdated - only the problem is that on time it was necessary to take into service - the BTR-90 for more than 10 years, of course, advanced models (not a lot of Syrian ones) of other countries are as if modern, but he is able to give them odds in many ways
            KGB161rusWhere you would have found money in the country 10 years ago, we already have enough problems, not just one defense (I honestly do not want to list our significant problems now, but all this needs money, what's the point of let's say a 5th generation tank, when we have teachers and doctors naked and barefoot)!
            the result - in this case, it is possible that after the development of the new armored personnel carrier with a lack of funding (even if at that time it would be the most advanced, and there weren’t any analogues), it will be put into service, and the BTR-90 they’ll let me in, and after 10 years when the funds appear they will recognize it as a dead end and not new - yes, you can live without technology for centuries!
      2. stasyan
        +1
        24 February 2012 18: 03
        if they climb out on their sides they can be quickly put like meat and really not mobile
  2. Tjumenec72
    +5
    18 November 2011 08: 56
    Very sensible article! Compact and clear. And most importantly, without journalism.
    The author (if this is not copy-paste) write about "Kurganets25", otherwise everything is deaf there.
    1. +6
      18 November 2011 09: 45
      The topic is already at work
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        -1
        18 November 2011 10: 00
        Zhdems smile And when will she be, well, at least?
        1. +6
          18 November 2011 10: 03
          Next week
          1. Alexey Prikazchikov
            -8
            18 November 2011 10: 09
            Mmm, why so long sad
  3. Artemka
    +8
    18 November 2011 09: 41
    Yes, we have any name of technology does not carry aggression. Pinocchio, Ural, Peony, Favorite ... Where is a hint of aggression?
  4. +9
    18 November 2011 09: 51
    "Sleeve" very similar to the Ukrainian "Bucephalus".
    (which, incidentally, has long been produced in various versions).




    .
    While everyone is thinking and deciding which APC our army needs, the Murom diesel locomotive plant has already done EVERYTHING.




    .
    The military has already liked the wonderful modernization of the BTR-60PB and will be adopted by the Air Force in the near future.
    ps Apparently the most important thing is the aft landing hatch, but the fact that it’s no longer important to swim.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      +1
      18 November 2011 09: 57
      Look how clumsy and poorly done it is made that in common with our armored personnel carrier is more common with a striker piranha cougar but not this pathetic fake of modern armored personnel carriers.
      1. +2
        18 November 2011 10: 24
        Can you be more specific?
        Who is fake? Modernization of BTR-60PB or "Bucephalus" ??
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          -6
          18 November 2011 11: 32
          I'm talking about bucephalic modernization of the BTR 60 I liked, but for the poor we need the best
          1. Voodoopeople
            +2
            18 November 2011 17: 03
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            modernization of the btr 60 I liked it but this is for the poor

            - Who knows how much such a radical restructuring will result in the end .. So more likely - it is better to take a new one.
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              +1
              18 November 2011 17: 55
              Well, in principle, you are right, especially considering that the price of the BTR 82a is 20 million rubles, which is quite inexpensive at world prices
              1. Voodoopeople
                0
                18 November 2011 20: 11
                Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                82a is 20 million rubles

                - Yes, if they don’t lie. But the 80th is still not very good, although not bad. Could it be better to upgrade thousands of BTR-70 to a new generation machine?
            2. +2
              19 November 2011 16: 29
              how many BTR-60 are in the mobile warehouses of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, wrote - thousands, done in due time. if remade, they can still serve. they have a weakness - the engine-spark GAZ gasoline. they are being exchanged for KAMAZ, the turret is being changed (I just didn’t understand - why is the turret above the landing compartment in the photo) on the BTR -80, which means you can put a gun. Such a machine can still serve, but as long as the Boomerangs are done, you can stay without armored personnel carriers
              1. Voodoopeople
                +1
                19 November 2011 20: 57
                Can you imagine. What is modernization? yes even overhaul ???
                1. 0
                  20 November 2011 08: 47
                  enlighten
                  1. porese
                    0
                    9 December 2011 17: 45
                    Cut, up to cutting armor plates, count almost anew. We noticed in the picture that the seams were not cleaned, on the original 60 there are none, maybe the entire top was cut off. Only the face was left, and it began to rise higher, but it is necessary to cook whole sheets, 20-30 cm are not welded. And the armor of 60 was not very good, the SVD passed right through from 100-200 meters, and the KPVT turned it into a sieve. And buoyancy is gone due to the fact that the engine in the middle is gone - the balance is broken, the face is drowning. And as for the suspension of 2 front axles there are questions, they have become rather weak for this mass (they are with a turning mechanism). If such a modernization is accepted, then I don’t know what to say about sanity in the Moscow Region ...
          2. Voodoopeople
            -1
            18 November 2011 21: 50
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            but it is for the poor

            - Well, for the time being, rich Venezuela, Russia and some people go 80A. smile
      2. Sergh
        -2
        18 November 2011 10: 36
        Alexey, I can’t find the side doors on it, except for this small window. But in general, it’s so complete homo, it’s at least swimming!
        1. porese
          0
          9 December 2011 17: 47
          60 did not have side doors like 70-90, it does not float due to a disturbed weight distribution after moving the engine forward.
    2. Phoenixl
      +1
      18 November 2011 10: 53
      Where infa that this modification of the BTR60 will be adopted?
      Something much needs to be redone in it and does not swim
      1. +2
        18 November 2011 11: 32
        maybe they will - only that in Burkina Faso wink
        1. +2
          18 November 2011 14: 58
          What is Burkina Faso ??
          The machine was modernized for a specific customer from the Air Force.
          The main application is a security machine for airfield complexes.
          (therefore, they decided to abandon the KPVT in favor of the 12,7 caliber - having increased the ammunition, they sacrificed a water cannon, but they can stay on the water, even the sump guard was not removed, in case of emergency it can be attached to a towing truck or to a winch).
          1. +2
            18 November 2011 15: 10
            Well then, is it possible that the undercarriage is unified by spare parts and the engine assembly with the equipment in service, otherwise you need to make it easier to make the very same BTR-80, or after the start of re-equipment with new equipment, again BTR-80 can be done! ? and airfields can be protected by bunkers - he’s not running away! yes and cheaper fellow
            1. +1
              19 November 2011 16: 34
              normal bunker costs more than BRT. But the saboteurs, bastards, do not want to climb on the pillboxes. seriously, for the protection of airfields, an armored troop-carrier is better suited, mobile, well-armed enough, carrying infantry. in fact, airfields are located in our rear, they will not be attacked with tanks, or rather, if tanks attack, then this is already complete ....... a.
      2. Voodoopeople
        -2
        18 November 2011 17: 03
        No, it will not.
        1. Voodoopeople
          0
          18 November 2011 19: 59
          They set the minus - well, the pkst is in service with the BTR-60 ... wink wink wink
  5. +4
    18 November 2011 10: 54
    Eeee guys, I authoritatively declare to you that all these guesses in the field of layout decisions are nothing more than guesses. Everything is much more revolutionary, more effective, etc., etc. Galkin correctly said that this was not an armored personnel carrier, but a BKM LKM.
    All the same, I will find time on the weekend and write briefly in what direction the work is going.
    1. +4
      18 November 2011 11: 16
      Of course it will be nice if I'm wrong for the "better" and "Boomerang" is even more innovative than I think.

      I just like the BTR-90 in its current form. :)
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        0
        18 November 2011 11: 34
        Yes, I also like the BTR 90 about the melon, so it’s just gorgeous but if there is an opportunity to do it better then let's wait until 2013 (a terrible figure), but nowhere else smile
        1. Voodoopeople
          +1
          18 November 2011 17: 05
          And what good is in Bahce?
          1. Alexey Prikazchikov
            +1
            18 November 2011 17: 59
            Look, there is a unification with bmp3m bmd4m we save on ammunition, meaning unification then the kit comes with a pretty modern suo thermal imaging device a lot of lotions and somo its armament is very high for vehicles of this class if you look at the western armored personnel carriers they have very weak armament compared to melon.
            1. Voodoopeople
              +1
              18 November 2011 19: 58
              Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
              thermal imager

              - This is good, only it does not meet modern requirements and it was abandoned.
              1. Voodoopeople
                +2
                18 November 2011 21: 51
                Yes, I need it - an armored personnel carrier-thermal imager. You are well-read ...
        2. +1
          19 November 2011 18: 21
          Remember, the best is the enemy of the good. We can remain without one and without the other.
    2. Tjumenec72
      +3
      18 November 2011 11: 34
      And what is your credibility supported by?
      If you do not violate the tolerance, enlighten us what they are fighting for the unit)
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        -2
        18 November 2011 12: 00
        This is a terrible military secret. winked
      2. +4
        18 November 2011 12: 03
        Let's just say, I have some relation to the research work “Research on the selection of alternating current electric transmission, hybrid power plants, their control systems and the motor wheel system for the LKM wheeled combat vehicle, taking into account the possibility of realizing their results when modernizing in mass production”
        1. +2
          18 November 2011 12: 22
          ABOUT! Epic!

          I thought that the implementation of our "electric movement" is not going very well. On the example of UAZ and BAZ prototypes. Yes, and on the Armata it seems like there will be a GOP, but in the beginning they talked about electric propulsion.

          Pleased!
        2. itr
          +1
          18 November 2011 12: 42
          A very interesting article, but one question torments me. what is better than an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle it seems to me that all the same a caterpillar drive will be preferable and an infantry fighting vehicle more compact.
          1. Tjumenec72
            +3
            18 November 2011 14: 14
            this question is not the only one tormenting you) because both cars will wink
          2. porese
            0
            9 December 2011 17: 54
            For different tasks, it’s different (its own), the tracks often need to be capitalized, and they are noisy, and if there are roads, a wheeled drive is preferable.
  6. +2
    18 November 2011 11: 18
    And the work is going! And after all, the main thing in terms of the development concept (modular design of machines) corresponds to foreign developments and adopted vehicles. I read the article with great pleasure, I was satisfied. That's just the mass for wheeled vehicles, as it were, did not play a bad role. But most importantly, there is development!
    1. +3
      18 November 2011 11: 35
      that's just no matching needed foreign developments !!!!!!!! They did it themselves before, and in armored vehicles (and not only) they were legislators !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! winked
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        -2
        18 November 2011 12: 01
        Well, why something can be smashed and worse still will not.
  7. 0
    18 November 2011 11: 21
    Varnaga very curious
  8. +1
    18 November 2011 12: 48
    I completely agree that we need a new idea in the design of wheeled BTR-BMP. The experience of using Strikers in Iraq and Afghanistan, clearly showed that the traditional wheeled armored personnel carriers can not cope with the tasks assigned to them.
  9. dred
    -1
    18 November 2011 12: 58
    Our designers are the best.
  10. Voodoopeople
    +1
    18 November 2011 17: 05
    Horrible fool with a 2s25 tower.
    1. Tatars
      0
      18 November 2011 17: 25
      Has anyone heard of Kurganets-25? Is this a promising bmp?
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      -6
      18 November 2011 18: 15
      Yes, a Ukrainian tin can with a wretched saloon with uneven armor plates with deaf electronics is better.
      1. Voodoopeople
        +1
        18 November 2011 19: 57
        What do you mean that you don't like?
      2. Voodoopeople
        +1
        18 November 2011 21: 53
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Yes, a Ukrainian tin can with a wretched saloon with uneven armor plates with deaf electronics is better.

        - This is such a ches. Where there BTR-82 ... winked
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          -2
          19 November 2011 11: 31
          Yes, much everything is balanced there and it’s not normally done that BTR 4 of every creature by bet shit stuffed everyone and rejoice at laughter and nothing more.
          1. Voodoopeople
            +1
            19 November 2011 12: 28
            And what is wrong with the BTR-4?
            For example, in BTR-80A I know ...
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              -1
              19 November 2011 14: 26
              Btr 82a I talked about 80a nothing.
  11. Tatars
    +2
    18 November 2011 17: 26
    Has anyone heard of Kurganets-25? Is this a promising bmp?
    1. Voodoopeople
      0
      19 November 2011 15: 42
      Usually, any R&D is accompanied by a screech in the press about financing - it’s quiet in Kurgan.
  12. gAMauzer
    +2
    18 November 2011 20: 51
    Comrados, I have two questions for you:

    1) On what grounds is "Bucephalus" indiscriminately hailed (besides the fact that it is of Ukrainian origin, this is a stigma from birth)? The car, IMHO, is by no means ambiguous; in any case, it looks more solid than the main modification of the BTR-80 with KPVT. Explain, just please, reasonably.

    2) Why are you all (especially in the light of "no need to comply with Western developments !!! 11") bumped into this front engine? New fashion trend?
    I had a chance to read the commentary of one of the tank designers (whose and where - I don't remember, I think, on "Courage") about the front engine layout of the LME. So, he spoke out unequivocally against, motivating the following: to protect is the task armorincluding protecting the engine - whose task, in turn, is to provide mobility cars on the battlefield. The front-mounted engine may save from bullets - but it will be incapacitated, and the crew will have to run away from the stationary car by pawn. And from a projectile / mine / ATGM / RPG round, the engine is not a shield (in a light car, anyway).
    Soviet designers, presumably, were not in vain storing allegiance to the opposing layout.

    ps

    http://warfiles.ru/uploads/posts/2011-11/1321542197_arm002hi.jpg

    By the way, on the original resource ("Courage") this machine is called "a light wheeled tank with a 105-mm cannon based on the BTR-90".

    This is so, by the way.
    1. Voodoopeople
      +3
      18 November 2011 21: 43
      Quote: gAMauzer
      On what grounds is "Bucephalus" indiscriminately haunted (besides the fact that it is of Ukrainian origin, this is a stigma from birth)? The car, IMHO, is by no means ambiguous; in any case, it looks more solid than the main modification of the BTR-80 with KPVT. Explain, just please, reasonably.

      - BTR-4 is a modern car, and for a number of features - unique. In addition - the BTR-4 has a number of combat modules, a whole range of options.
      PS
      I probably don’t like that. - Toad crushes.
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      -2
      19 November 2011 04: 50
      It’s not that he is Ukrainian to me personally on them poh deolo as a manufacture
      and constructions it’s a tin, why is it modern? Why did everything fall from the oak tree? They took 2 bronics German as a sample
      and our
      connected them into one and all well, yes there are modules, but modules again pushed all sorts of crap and rejoice this modern eh? Yes, if our designers will stir up the same kind of garbage, I’ll eat them on my own guts.
      1. Voodoopeople
        +1
        19 November 2011 12: 33
        The first ancient prototype with Sturm. The second is generally a German armored personnel carrier.
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        pushed all sorts of crap and rejoice this modern eh?

        - Yes, there is a BMS-4 on the BTR-80, but not on the BTR-XNUMXA.
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Yes, if our designers will stir up the same kind of garbage, I’ll eat them on my own guts.

        - You are stupid, and what is worse - you have been demonstrating it openly, without epilation, and for a long time. By the "rank" of the site - you can conclude how many idiots there are.
        1. Voodoopeople
          +2
          19 November 2011 12: 55
          I don’t like to give lectures in response to someone else’s stupidity - but I’ll walk briefly — otherwise floods and strolls flood the branch.
          This is the final prototype:

          This is serial:

          This is also linear:


          Rear can see the sanitary:

          This is the Aidex exhibition:

          - By the way, this exposition won a prize - the most innovative nano-exposition.
          This is BREM:

          Parus combat module - SLA, remote control, remote control by a commander, 30mm, stabilization, 7,62, AGS, KOEP, surveillance and reconnaissance devices, ATGM Barrier.
          1. Voodoopeople
            0
            19 November 2011 13: 13
            This is an object of special envy for the BTR-4, and tank construction as a whole - 3TD:

            Sanitary:


            Who drove to the dashboard?

            Gunner’s console - like on a computer:

            Party Dispatch:

            Sail:

            This is with Thunder:

            Remote commander (he can also shoot, next - digital walkie-talkie (one of the best in the world):
            1. Voodoopeople
              +1
              19 November 2011 13: 23
              Test firing:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV6wiTZMv8Y

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT3IsRV-3FI&feature=related

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLorxSMZuM&feature=related
              1. Voodoopeople
                +2
                19 November 2011 13: 42
                The new generation BTR-4 is the best BTR in the open spaces of the former scoop, one of the best in the world. But if we talk about the development of Soviet ideology, then we do not forget that there is the BTR-3 - the best development of the BTR-80, although there is little left of the 80s - a certain similarity of the redrawn corps and layout.










                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGZczbMHUU&feature=related

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUYfa5ZhGfg&feature=related

                Ukraine in commercial markets focuses on Russian market - do not forget. And breathes better, more technological. more modern and cheaper product.
                PS
                - so you don’t need to spit, it looks more wretched.
                1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                  -4
                  19 November 2011 14: 24
                  Yes shit, shit really do not understand to fuck you what you brag about? Here is the normal btr
                  here's another
                  choke on
                  to fuck
                  on yet
                  and not this shit hohlyatskoe these countries I envy but not you freaks. You don’t have enough time to undevelop the dough, and our specialists will make it cooler and much more.
                  1. Voodoopeople
                    0
                    19 November 2011 14: 47
                    Where is the BTR-80 ??? - And in the world of the sold BTRs there are only two significant ones - BTR-4 and Patria. Moreover, the Poles can’t spit from Patria.
                    A toad is a toad, I know that:






                    1. +1
                      19 November 2011 15: 24
                      Where is the BTR-80 ??? - And in the world of the sold BTRs there are only two significant ones - BTR-4 and Patria. Moreover, the Poles can’t spit from Patria.
                      _________________________________
                      NOW I WILL TELL YOU A FRIEND MY HEART-LISTEN TO AND REDUCE YOUR POLL
                      A) BTR-80 - ONE OF THE MOST FOLDING ARMOR TRANSPORTERS, MAINLY TAKE 80A-BECAUSE OF THE GUN !!!
                      Recent Contracts and Supplies 2009-11
                      RF 300 BTR-82A (40 posts)
                      Yemen -80 -BTR80a (completed)
                      Venezuela 120 BTR-80A (35 delivered)
                      UN mission 100 BTR-80 (delivered 40)
                      Bangladesh 90 btr-80 (posten 20)
                      Djibouti 40 BTR-80A (delivered 16)
                      Ethiopia 50 BTR-80A (in progress)
                      Indonesia 30 BTR-80A (delivered 20)
                      Sri Lanka 80 BTR-80 (completed)
                      Sudan 43 BTR-80A (completed)

                      b) ON THE MATTER OF SIGNIFICANT BTR-4-Vego has only one contact with Iraq (with scandals, etc., and bt3e with Thailand
                      c) PICTURES FROM LOWER TAGIL, MAKAROV AND OUR DELEGATION (BUT THEY WENT ON ALL STANDS OF ALL PRODUCERS) BMP-1 WITH A SQUARE COMPLEX (YES IN GEORGIA 10 BMP WITH SHARE ALSO

                      PS-SO MILK DOES NOT NEED TO SING MILITARY SONGS HERE TO US
                      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                        -2
                        19 November 2011 15: 30
                        Rustam respect bro
                      2. Voodoopeople
                        -2
                        19 November 2011 15: 49
                        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                        Rustam respect bro


                      3. Voodoopeople
                        -1
                        19 November 2011 15: 52
                        Quote: Rustam
                        with scandals

                        - What are these new fables about?
                        Quote: Rustam
                        PS-SO MILK DOES NOT NEED TO SING MILITARY SONGS HERE TO US

                        - Exactly when there is nothing new. And all the diminishing prospects of the BTR-80 are Venezuela for loans and Kazakhstan, if possible, on the ball ... smile
                  2. 0
                    19 November 2011 15: 11
                    then the first - buddy come on without insults !!!! do not know how to talk with people do not write !!
                    Once again about the BTR-4 and BTR3e not bad cars, especially the SHKVAL complex
                    the only BTR-4 has a fast suspension of 80 ki because of this, the chassis flies after several thousand kilometers !!!! an example on Russian 82 is a completely new suspension !!!

                    I repeat the BTR-4 is not bad and recognize this at the AMZ
                    1. Voodoopeople
                      -3
                      19 November 2011 15: 31
                      You are my friend.
                      - And what is the Flurry better for? And I realized that they had the opportunity to evaluate this module at the Georgian BMP-1U and at the exhibition in Tagil (photo above) Makarov was climbing on it. Well, this is one of the simplest modules.
                      Quote: Rustam
                      btr-4 - quick suspension 80 ki

                      - No - there is its own pendant, this is a fable of the sample of '94. And there were so many of these orders that it was too lazy to remember. We now see the price of these orders - in the BTR-90, T-90, etc.
                      Quote: Rustam
                      I repeat the BTR-4 is not bad and recognize this at the AMZ

                      - Well, what would happen to the BTR-4 without your "repetitions" and AMZ ... As well as with other world armored personnel carriers - I really don't know ... smile
                      1. +1
                        19 November 2011 15: 39
                        I'M HAPPY FOR YOU
                      2. Voodoopeople
                        -3
                        19 November 2011 16: 03
                        Rejoice for yourself - but I am self-sufficient.
                    2. Voodoopeople
                      -1
                      19 November 2011 16: 01
                      Quote: Rustam
                      the BTR-4 has a quick suspension of 80 ki because of this, the chassis scatters after several thousand kilometers !!!

                      - Yes Yes...



                      - Oops, someone screwed up ...

                      Quote: Rustam
                      I repeat the BTR-4 is not bad and recognize this at the AMZ

                      Even so:
                      - I don’t even know what would happen to the prospects of BTR-4 - without the ratings of some AMZ, which did not degenerate anything modern. And who comments there?
                      1. Voodoopeople
                        -1
                        19 November 2011 16: 10
                        This is the flawed lies of the inhabitants of the Siberian hinterland - about pendants from Kharkov have been held so many times.
                        - Sit at last - have screwed up and self-crap many times.
        2. Voodoopeople
          0
          19 November 2011 14: 10
          What is the cost of strengthening the water pipes with the weak, unprepared BTR-80 case for installing a heavy module on it, so as not to bend ...
          In short - you screwed up again. You won’t dance today, like yesterday:
          1. Alexey Prikazchikov
            -1
            19 November 2011 15: 03
            Yeah, the more I get to know zapadentsev the more I love dogs.
            1. Voodoopeople
              -3
              19 November 2011 15: 32
              Your love and work - there must be sheep.
              1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                0
                19 November 2011 16: 08
                Fuck the subhuman
                1. Voodoopeople
                  -3
                  19 November 2011 16: 22
                  Lesser brothers need to be loved - for you to evolve. I’ve already learned to read and write - you’re well-read ... You write the truth - nonsense ...

                  am wink am wink am wink
          2. +2
            19 November 2011 19: 11
            Listen Wooduple, and what are you all dancing at the pillar? Is that a voodoo dance? And on what occasion? Vacation in Haiti? Or hailing from there?
  13. CARTRIDGE
    +1
    18 November 2011 21: 16
    It’s good that they didn’t abandon the BTR-90, but continue to develop this topic, it would be good if everything worked out!
    1. Voodoopeople
      -1
      18 November 2011 21: 45
      They abandoned the BTR-90, and the rest - ride up and down.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        0
        19 November 2011 16: 07
        Fuck subhuman.
  14. +3
    18 November 2011 21: 22
    Our MO often, lately, puts on new mate. parts of the mark "does not meet modern requirements" .... sad What, by the way, can badly affect the export potential of these samples, even for customers who do not have money for something better.

    And then it itself knows the most requirements !? Can clearly formulate them for each type / type of weapons \ equipment \ ammunition, without excuses in common phrases ??? belay
    1. Voodoopeople
      -1
      18 November 2011 21: 48
      Quote: Yves762
      Our MO often, lately, puts on new mate. parts of the stigma "does not meet modern requirements" .... What, by the way, can badly affect the export potential of onny samples, even for customers who do not have money for something better.

      - What samples? BTR-90, so it is not good. And he has no prospects - against the background of others.
      Quote: Yves762
      And then it itself knows the most requirements !?

      For example, keep 14,5.
      Quote: Yves762
      without pretext general phrases ???

      - Well, they are "common" for you, you don't need to know much - you already know a lot.
      1. -1
        19 November 2011 12: 47
        Yes, they put all the stigma.
      2. 0
        19 November 2011 15: 20
        For example, keep 14,5.

        why not "fly" or "aglene" + a projectile (rocket) from Abrams, leclerc, leopard or merkava ...
        1. Voodoopeople
          -1
          19 November 2011 15: 54
          Quote: PSih2097
          why not "fly" or "aglene" + a projectile (rocket) from Abrams, leclerc, leopard or merkava ...

          - For example, be a mass of less than 20 tons in the usual version and be floating at the same time.
  15. soldat1945
    +5
    18 November 2011 22: 43
    I apologize that I’m new to wedging in a conversation, I was at a military council with the participation of Postnikov, I realized that we are serving in different armies, he’s in some sort of inter galactic modern, and we are unit commanders at a different level of the 50s, I say with all responsibility now to go to the troops there’s nothing, I’m not even talking about fighting, everything that comes from defense plants breaks down as it travels from the unloading station to the parks.
    1. +8
      19 November 2011 11: 57
      he's in some kind of intergalactic modern

      Similarly, the Russian army will ride this:
      instead of BRDM:

      instead of armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles:

      And this is the future of the fleet - AUG:

      After all, we all the same in the person of the progressive west were and will be the Evil Empire ...
      1. Voodoopeople
        -1
        19 November 2011 12: 33
        Attack of the clones?
        1. +1
          19 November 2011 15: 18
          No, SW episode 4 ... but the executioner, which is the largest of the 6th ...
        2. Tenok
          0
          20 February 2012 10: 36
          No, this is a clown attack! wink
  16. J_silver
    0
    18 November 2011 23: 57
    It’s also not clear to me why everyone was clinging to the location of the engine in front! Who said it was necessary? The Moscow Region themselves do not know what kind of hell they need - what are the constant annealing of a certain Makarov ...
  17. soldat1945
    +6
    19 November 2011 09: 43
    They destroyed military science, destroyed military acceptance, now when they woke up in the morning they thought about something and ordered it, the BTR-80 served a very good machine tactically, there are all instructions on it, experience of application shows that there is no fundamental value in the feed output as in engine lineup, I think that the problem is sucked from the finger, and the BTR-90 if anyone saw it live a very tall silhouette machine is a convenient target for combined arms operations.
  18. -1
    19 November 2011 12: 37
    What can I say something ????

    The GILZA project is finally closed and all work on it has been stopped, a fundamentally new device is being developed at AMZ, but will it work out ?? wait and see

    about the Ukrainian BTR-4-chassis is old from 80, with an increased load, after a couple of thousand of suspension and problems with buoyancy, and not bad, especially the ShKVAL complex
  19. +2
    19 November 2011 12: 55
    why are you pestering the Khokhlyat armored personnel carrier they do as they know how. By the way, about the flurry module. in Russia, more precisely, in TULA, these modules have already been made for both BMP and BTR. but our darling, my point blank, does not notice anything. here are 600 walls of Volkswagen buy it right away - German quality. and theirs is all r ....... about am
    1. +1
      19 November 2011 15: 26
      here are 600 walls of Volkswagen buy

      MO transplant on the Volga and gazelles, (and in general, they are warriors - by definition, let them go to UAZs ...), plus to do an audit of assets on them (bureaucrats), I think not only enough for the second kuzyu, but also for Ulyanovsk with wing ...
  20. +1
    19 November 2011 18: 54
    I need to completely agree with our native armored personnel carriers.
    The technique, in principle, is worked out and tested not only at the training ground, all the flaws must be worked out, of course, they are already obvious, but not at the expense of doubling the mass !!!
    This is no longer a BMP or a tank, but something average, and these 24 tons will sit in a puddle at the most inopportune moment
  21. Mr. Truth
    +1
    20 November 2011 01: 36
    Well, again, wheeled vehicles, I hope that the Ministry of Defense understands that wheeled BVMs for Europe and not for us, we need a tracked vehicle.
  22. dred
    0
    20 November 2011 09: 38
    It was interesting to read your opinion, but the time will come and see who is right.
  23. bask
    0
    22 August 2012 22: 13
    The experience of military operations over the past 30 years has shown that APCs were not used for their intended purpose and always as BMPs. .
  24. 0
    24 August 2014 22: 21
    The BTR-90 will simply replace the engine with an engine from the BMP-3, in connection with this they will put the third exit from the airborne squad. At least the cabin will certainly remain what it is.
  25. 0
    April 25 2022 15: 15
    It’s 2022 outside, they didn’t wait for either the “Sleeve Case” or the “Boomerang” in the troops, oh, how useful the BTR-90 would be today .. with a new 30mm monitor module, there would be a song. But everything, as always, is in a sleepy kingdom, unfortunately