F-35 was too expensive even for the USA.

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The program for the production of the newest American fighter F-35, calculated for purchasing thousands of units, is experiencing increasing problems. Not only Canada begins to refuse the car, even in the US Senate they say that the American budget will not pull so many of these fighters. And all this - against the backdrop of reports of large-scale technical difficulties of the latest development of the American military-industrial complex.




Difficult decision

Arizona Republican Senator John McCain expressed the opinion that the United States should reduce the number of fifth-generation F-35 fighters purchased.

“They made a very extensive program with different countries according to the principle that not only the USA but also other participants would pour their money into it”

According to him, the Pentagon’s decision to purchase 2443 F-35 aircraft for the Air Force, the Marines and the Naval fleet The United States does not fit well with a planned budget. He noted that an increase in program costs would mean the acquisition of fewer aircraft. “We're going to cut purchases,” McCain said, stressing that there shouldn’t be as many planes as the Pentagon planned.
According to Defense News, McCain has long criticized the program for the acquisition of F-35 for the high cost and disruption of production.

Problems with the procurement of this fighter appeared in other countries. Canadian Liberal Party leader Justin Trudeau, who won the October 19 parliamentary elections, has already announced that the country will abandon the F-35 program - and now has confirmed this intention.

Trudeau’s decision, which also notified the United States that the Canadian air force was no longer participating in the international operation in Iraq and Syria, caused undisguised irritation in Washington. Republican senator Orrin Hatch said that Canadians “hurt themselves because it’s the best fighter in the world. history».

And Lieutenant-General of the US Air Force Chris Bogdan calculated that Canada’s exit from the fifth-generation F-35 fighter-bomber program is estimated at tens of billions of dollars. Bogdan heads the project to develop this aircraft in the Pentagon, reports TASS. If Canada or any of the nine countries participating in this program abandons its obligations, then the cost of each F-35 "will increase by a million dollars," said the representative of the US Department of Defense, answering questions from lawmakers. Bogdan also recalled that Canada planned to take on approximately 2% of the total costs of this project.

“Aircraft will not be abandoned”


As the test pilot, the hero of Russia Igor Malikov, told the newspaper VIEW, the US concern is understandable.

“When they started doing this project, the developers already understood that these would be very expensive airplanes. Therefore, they have made an extensive program with different countries according to the principle that not only the United States, but also other participants pour money into it or participate in production. And all this was done, including with the aim of subsequently “luring” all these countries for the purchase of these expensive planes. Thus, I think that these aircraft will not be abandoned, too much has been invested in them, but the number of purchases may decrease somewhat, ”he explained.

F-22, according to the expert, costs about 100 million dollars, F-35 - a little less. “To replace these new cars, the Americans still have nothing. They have to replace with something the current F-16, which are already going to end of operation, ”he said.

Malikov noted that F-35 is on “one line with the PAK FA being developed in Russia”, they are close in technical capabilities and basic parameters. At the same time, the Russian car is cheaper than the American one. “The main thing there is not the body or even the engine. This is all easier. But the onboard equipment, the artificial intelligence that will help the pilot to find and hit the target, to get out of difficult situations - this is the main thing. And at the expense of on-board equipment, aircraft can bypass competitors, ”he added.

Commenting on the “minuses” of the F-35, for example, reports of uncomfortable helmets for pilots of these aircraft that could allegedly break pilots' necks, Malikov said that “the more you cram a plane and an electronics cabin, the greater its weight will be , and with the ejection in this case it is quite realistic to break the neck. "

In turn, the chief editor of Vzlyot magazine, Andrei Fomin, told the VIEW newspaper that the F-35 was immediately conceived as a mass fighter of the next, fifth, generation, which should gradually replace the most popular American F-16 aircraft. In this case, the rate was made on the plane not for the US Air Force, or rather, not only for them, but also for a wide range of partners and allies. Due to this “mass character”, the developers wanted to make the car cheaper.
Commenting on the exit from the Canada project and other difficulties in its implementation, Andrei Fomin noted that “this is all a question of trade and economic relations”. “Arms trade, especially so expensive and advanced, is always a process that is not painless. This is big money. Someone signs a contract, and then realizes that there is no money in the budget. But I do not think that the exit of Canada or someone else is able to significantly affect the situation as a whole. Because the total supply is huge. At the beginning of this year, confirmed orders were for 3170 aircraft, ”he concluded.

The problems of the newest fighter


F-35 is designed using stealth technology and is capable of carrying nuclear weapon. The Lockheed-Martin company and several other leading Pentagon contractors worked on it. Along with the USA, eight more countries are taking part in the project - Australia, Great Britain, Denmark, Italy, Canada, the Netherlands, Norway and Turkey.

F-35 will be available in three versions. F-35A - this is the most common configuration, created for the US Air Force and customers abroad. F-35B is created for the US Marine Corps with a short take-off and a vertical landing - the most complex model. F-35C is done for deck aviation The US Navy will be based on aircraft carriers.

A serious blow to the reputation of the new fighter caused a disaster that occurred in June 2014 year: due to engine failure model F-35A collapsed in the state of Florida. In January 2015, it was reported that the creators of the F-35 faced another technical problem and moved the launch of the aircraft from 2015 to 2019 year.

In June, 2015, the media published a test pilot report, which outlined the fundamental problems of the fifth-generation American fighter F-35. In particular, according to him, the expensive new aircraft cannot turn around or rise quickly enough to hit an enemy plane during a maneuverable aerial battle or evade enemy shooting.

A number of experts have identified deficiencies in the F-35, due to which the plane, in their opinion, is more in tune with the fourth-generation fighter with a plus sign. In addition, according to the deputy chairman of the Russian government, Dmitry Rogozin, the F-35 is inferior to the fifth-generation Russian fighter, the PAK FA.

In mid-October, it was reported that helmets in the newest US F-35 fighters could threaten pilots with neck injuries. And later it became known that almost every third pilot of the American F-35 advanced fighter will face an increased risk of getting a lethal neck injury (whiplash) during the ejection.

As a result, the US Air Force had to issue instructions for pilots, which prescribes how to respond to the criticism of the aircraft.
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  1. +21
    25 October 2015 07: 06
    The queen gave birth to the night
    Either son, or daughter ...

    Our budget sawers are just puppies compared to American craftsmen.

    As a result, the US Air Force had to issue instructions for pilots, which prescribes how to respond to the criticism of the aircraft.

    Immediately pull the catapult handle.
    1. 0
      25 October 2015 07: 38
      I hope our drank or do not learn, so cut budgets) laughing
      1. +3
        25 October 2015 07: 43
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        I hope our drank or do not learn, so cut budgets)

        Our just kids compared to these .... laughing
        1. +29
          25 October 2015 13: 18
          Minus article negative ! Already tired of reading articles in the style of "enemy - fight .. fight, we will win and so)". Penguin may indeed be unsuccessful, but why write about it all the time ?! Let's wait for its combat use, and it will be clear whether this is a miracle plane or a pig in a poke. I myself really hope that we will finally finalize the PAK FA and take it into service.
          1. +23
            25 October 2015 18: 33
            Well, more pluses are given to just such articles and flawed comments to them, in the style of "everyone except us is fools, but Kalashnikov is still better!" and "obama the monkey". "Voennoye Obozreniye" rests solely on this rabid "urapatriotism", and in fact, apart from the fact that it is elementary stupid, it is also very dangerous, one should not underestimate the Armed Forces of other countries. At the same time, every commentator sincerely believes that he understands the problems of the military-industrial complex and aviation in particular, better than all foreign aircraft building companies combined, and whoever claims the opposite is the enemy and the fifth column.
            1. 0
              2 November 2015 13: 47
              but some are closer and more interesting to "Military Secret" on RenTV, where all day, from morning to evening, they tell how bad everything is in the West, what stupid American specialists and what primitive and expensive "enemy" military equipment
          2. +2
            26 October 2015 01: 19
            Well, physically, so much money cannot go into the sand. It's just that, according to the law of conservation of energy, at least ... something this pepelats stuffed with the most modern electronics can do. We must watch him in action. soldier
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    3. +11
      25 October 2015 10: 46
      how to react to criticism of the aircraft.

      How-how ... Write on Facebook or Twitter: "You are lying! I am a pilot myself, the son of a cavalryman and the father of an astronaut. Believe me, not everything is so simple. In us, in the USA, everyone thinks that the F-35 is the best a fighter in history. And everyone who doubts is a miserable rogue who cannot afford to spend some measly hundred lyams on the purchase of superweapons. "
      1. +6
        25 October 2015 13: 36
        Quote: Penetrator
        In the United States, everyone thinks the F-35 is the best fighter in history. And everyone who doubts is a miserable rogue who cannot afford to spend some pitiful hundred lyams on the purchase of superweapons "

        And they have no choice. The F-35 was initially very expensive due to the fact that it was developed in three versions. What is their choice ?, close the F-35 program and start designing a new fighter? Spending another hundreds of billions of dollars?
        In any case, even if the US reduces the purchase of the F-35, they will buy it abroad (otherwise why build a factory in Italy?).
  2. +9
    25 October 2015 07: 08
    It turns out the story is like with the Zumvolts, they planned to build 34 of the newest and coolest destroyers, but it turned out to be a couple of pieces for testing enough. With Fe 35 the same story, they wanted so much, and in the end they will build for the allies, and for themselves they will do a little and say later it’s better to switch to the production of the Fe 22, the F-117 was also the most inconspicuous and best. We will follow the further development of events.
  3. +16
    25 October 2015 07: 31
    Quote: Igor39
    With Fe 35 the same story, they wanted so much, and in the end they will build for the allies, but for themselves they will do a little and say later that it is better to go to the production of Fe 22

    Duc and allies are already looking for a way to more or less beautifully turn their back on him. Canada so generally directly sends.
  4. +8
    25 October 2015 08: 54
    All the same, after all, they will do and put in the army and navy and will bring "on wheels" there is not only a program of smart weapons, there is also a program for cutting budget funds, there are senators, lobbyists, the Ministry of Defense .... a whole queue for the money. And the car will slowly "finish", well, it will not be a masterpiece, but the decision seems to have been made at a high level and in advance, it is not for nothing that McCain is killed on this XNUMXth Fed.
  5. +9
    25 October 2015 09: 05
    But, as I recall, F22 was discontinued due to the high cost of this aircraft. Moreover, they were made only a little more than two hundred. Now F35 is approaching F22 in value, and confirmed orders are already on 3170. Where is the logic? Then, I do not trust the reports of the test pilot, which are published and are in the public domain. Maybe this is an elementary throw-in to mislead ... With all my disrespect for the USA, well, they shouldn’t fuck up with all the shortcomings of their new aircraft, and even at the testing stage ...
    1. +3
      25 October 2015 10: 43
      Quote: cormorant
      But, as I recall, F22 was discontinued due to the high cost of this aircraft. Moreover, they were made only a little more than two hundred. Now F35 is approaching F22 in value, and confirmed orders are already on 3170. Where is the logic? Then, I do not trust the reports of the test pilot, which are published and are in the public domain. Maybe this is an elementary throw-in to mislead ... With all my disrespect for the USA, well, they shouldn’t fuck up with all the shortcomings of their new aircraft, and even at the testing stage ...

      not coming
      1. +3
        25 October 2015 12: 10
        Pimpy, I agree, now the price is still far from F-22 ... but as some of their American experts expressed the opinion that at the stage of mass production, the cost of F-35 may begin to rise again, as happened with F-22, which was originally sold at 150 million dollars apiece, and then went up to almost 300 million dollars and finally up to 411,7 million dollars in 2010.
        1. 0
          25 October 2015 19: 52
          Quote: cormorant
          Pimpy, I agree, now the price is still far from F-22 ... but as some of their American experts expressed the opinion that at the stage of mass production, the cost of F-35 may begin to rise again, as happened with F-22, which was originally sold at 150 million dollars apiece, and then went up to almost 300 million dollars and finally up to 411,7 million dollars in 2010.

          At the stage of a large series, it will fall somewhere by 20-30 percent
          1. 0
            25 October 2015 22: 47
            Interestingly, is there a difference in price between the English F-35 (as an example) and the Israeli F-35I Adir (with our local systems, and the filling)?
            1. 0
              25 October 2015 22: 57
              how do we know? winked probably there, I don’t think that big
  6. +1
    25 October 2015 09: 42
    A plane of short take-off and vertical landing, one of the modifications more precisely. It seems to be a good chip, and here he has no competitors. And their helmets are fancy, in principle, the pilot will be able to see through the plane. They can probably cope with broken necks.
    1. +1
      25 October 2015 12: 35
      Quote: Free Wind
      They can probably cope with broken necks.

      Will they immediately break on the ground? Well, so as not to suffer in flight?
    2. +2
      25 October 2015 18: 34
      The pilots usually do not take midgets.
      The problem was that the pilot's seat was designed
      for a certain growth of the pilot. And for piloting
      and a short person fits, but when bailout
      his head is not in the right part of the back of the chair,
      which is dangerous.
  7. +16
    25 October 2015 09: 45
    Now Oleg Kaptsov will come, put things in order on the forum. He will tell everyone and everyone that the f-35 has no problems at all. A plane with a cool radar, and practically for nothing !!!
    1. +4
      25 October 2015 12: 37
      Kaptsov is engaged in ghosts bully Cool rhyme!
  8. +11
    25 October 2015 10: 28
    I have already claimed many times, and I’ll note it again ... Errors with f-35 began even when issuing the technical
    tasks! I wanted to get everything from the car! Now the car supposedly can do everything, but it can do poorly. Starting from
    that he can fly poorly, shoot poorly, missiles do not fit into the internal compartments! belay
    And when solving one problem, another immediately collapses. And the end and the edge is not visible! Either software or
    electromagnetic incompatibility, then the helmet is heavy ... Either horseradish is long, then the shirt is short!
    If zumwalt could be brought to mind, still the ship, volume and weight allow, then the penguin
    no way! Any change in the component leads to an avalanche-like change in others!
    And time is short, and the same opportunities ...
    1. +2
      25 October 2015 19: 09
      oh, and don’t say how stupid these mediocrity from Lockheed Martin, the lumps from Northrop Grumman, the losers from Rolls-Royce and British Aerospace, etc. did not immediately listen to you! they need to read comments from VO more often, maybe then they will learn how to make normal planes ..
  9. +6
    25 October 2015 10: 50
    To make it a little clearer now. The United States is now fighting around the military budget, and all statements on this subject must be considered through this prism.
    1. 0
      25 October 2015 11: 37
      Quote: Pimply
      To make it a little clearer now. The United States is now fighting around the military budget, and all statements on this subject must be considered through this prism.

      Need to look through the prism of budget redistribution .... Does the f-35 budget want someone else to snatch? Who and for what program?
  10. +5
    25 October 2015 11: 05
    "an F-35A crashed in Florida due to engine failure." ///

    Collapsed - an exaggeration. The plane just flew, pilot
    cancel takeoff. The engine was replaced. The plane was not decommissioned.

    I note that this is the only case. There are already more than 150 aircraft in the air.
    And not one is lost, neither in the process of testing, nor in regular service,
    which is a record of reliability for combat aircraft.
    1. +6
      25 October 2015 11: 35
      [quote = voyaka uh]. There are already over 150 aircraft in the air.
      And not one is lost, neither in the process of testing, nor in regular service,
      which is a record of reliability for combat aircraft. [/ quote
      "Sherman" was also a model of reliability, but the same truth-lover Rezun writes that marauders, rapists and penalties were exiled to lend-lease equipment. Reliability is perhaps the only thing that the F-35 can boast of.
      1. +2
        25 October 2015 16: 42
        "Reliability is probably the only thing that the F-35 can boast of." ////

        Thank. Praise F-35 from strict tomket is not a medal, but an order! good
  11. 0
    25 October 2015 12: 00
    Figo. Bad news. urgently who would convince the exceptional about the exclusivity and over capabilities of F-35. And here in one branch there is one, a comparator of everything and everything.
  12. +3
    25 October 2015 12: 14
    Doctor - to the patient:
    - I have two news. One is good, the other is bad. Where to start?
    - With a bad one.
    “We amputated a good leg by mistake.
    - What is good?
    - And the patient can be cured.
  13. -2
    25 October 2015 13: 05
    In the United States, they are seriously concerned about the state of affairs in the army. Countries that the Yankees consider their adversaries, including Russia, China and Iran, are actively developing in the military sphere and are closing the gap with the once powerful US army. Specialists of the American Institute of Entrepreneurship and the Washington Center for Foreign Policy Initiative prepared a report in which they analyzed the state of the American armed forces. In their opinion, the picture is very sad.

    The main problem is that Washington has stopped investing in new developments. http://warfiles.ru/show-98121-vselenskaya-grust-yanki.html
    Do you understand what the problem is? BUT? You see? BUT? Wow It is necessary to purchase and build F-35 build and purchase. An exceptional sambic))) It will undermine what you want.)) There is nothing new with the new fe-35. Where does the comparator go? Posted by Dave Majumdar, oooh! Americans are waiting for you. No, not Americans, call this rabble amer nizya. Rabble.
  14. +1
    25 October 2015 13: 24
    Nevertheless, the budget in America is 100 times larger than ours.
    So not everything is so optimistic.
    1. 0
      25 October 2015 16: 57
      Maybe it's all about "course" ? laughing
  15. +1
    25 October 2015 14: 50
    everything is exactly the same as with the expensive "tiger" tank - while one tiger was being made in the Third Reich, 8-10 thirty-fours flew into the USSR, which could definitely fill such a tiger tightly in quantity)))


    on the video - a fully working T-34, from the ChTZ training ground
    1. 0
      28 October 2015 14: 15
      The Americans have a very powerful industry. They will pull the production of complex and mass technology.
  16. 0
    25 October 2015 16: 54
    I believe that the United States should spend another 10 years an amount equal to the start of the JSF / F-35 program and produce exactly the same amount of aircraft, while simultaneously launching a program to create a "single" aircraft of the 7th generation .... hi (The 6th generation will be created as a result of "fine-tuning" the F-35, but this is a different budget) .... Yes, Yes bully
    laughing
  17. 0
    25 October 2015 18: 08
    The epic with the Fu-35 continues!
    But it will not be boring - on the site for many years we will "wash the bones" of this "miracle" of the American "aviation business". wink
    And what will happen when it is put into operation by the US "partners"? How long will the skeletons in the closet last? wink laughing
    As they say, wait for the continuation.
    1. +2
      26 October 2015 11: 35
      Do you call all American fighters "Fu"? Hurray patriot?
  18. +5
    25 October 2015 20: 12
    Quote: supertiger21
    Minus article negative ! Already tired of reading articles in the style of "enemy - fight .. fight, we will win and so)". Penguin may indeed be unsuccessful, but why write about it all the time ?! Let's wait for its combat use, and it will be clear whether this is a miracle plane or a pig in a poke. I myself really hope that we will finally finalize the PAK FA and take it into service.


    Of course you can’t indiscriminately approach the question, nor to blame or praise.
    Which of the actually viewed can be noted:
    1. The concept of a universal product is wrong because something will be to the detriment of something.
    2. The aircraft is still at the stage of revision. In principle, it is possible to sharpen it for specific tasks. An example is the "harier", advanced in technology and idea, not possessing (in relation to conventional takeoff planes) outstanding performance characteristics, had its own niche where it had no equal, and even the same Americans bought it.
    3. At this stage, it is too late to abandon production because too much has been invested, and not only by America. A solution has been found, they are trying to cram it with advanced developments in order to increase efficiency, which will really be seen in the end (only participation in the BD will show), we'll see.
    4. In any case, the creation of this machine is not poorly advanced scientific and technical level.
    Well, many more can be listed. Each specialist in his field will find both + and -.
  19. 0
    25 October 2015 21: 53
    If the F-35 fighter, mmm, then what is the F-22 and what for it is needed?
    1. 0
      25 October 2015 23: 24
      they bring our Su24 and Su25 to fighter jets too.
    2. 0
      25 October 2015 23: 24
      they bring our Su24 and Su25 to fighter jets too.
  20. 0
    25 October 2015 23: 31
    Objectively, f-35 has no more and no less problems than any other aircraft in the development process. Just for political reasons, he came under the scrutiny of the press, and any failure or delay by the press swells to truly epic proportions
    1. 0
      26 October 2015 11: 40
      Everything is correct. But there is a nuance. Manufacturers of the good old planes, the F-16 for example, do not burn at all to see the F-35 in the air ... Nothing personal, just business. Who do you get into the F-35, and the turn for the F-16.
  21. +1
    26 October 2015 03: 13
    The developers and designers themselves already admit that something went wrong and the improvements are penny, and the appreciation in rubles and the end and the edge is not visible to this. By the way, all this is in the press in the public domain. Only who dares to take and stop this program now? There is no such force, or rather it is, but that's just it from this product and feeds. All this America has already passed, F-117, Zamvolt, SOI, missile defense from the same opera, flying lasers, but there are a lot of things to list. There is no way out, they will cut it to the end, money of course. There, for several years ahead, the basic expenses for it are included in the budget and the auction is only for additional appropriations. Let’s finish it, it’s on our hands, during this time the PAK will go into the series, I hope and will become the base machine again for decades, and this F-35, originally born with incompatible diseases for life. And further. I do not understand those who harshly criticize members of the forum for unjustifiably praising our military equipment and wary of the West. I myself have praised and will praise ours, which is worthy and there is no hatred in this. But the F-35 has problems worse than the technical ones. Why no one pays attention to the fact that there are not enough pilots for this plane now, and in the future there will be a catastrophic shortage. In some countries, NATO can’t hire pilots to retrain piloting this miraculous plane to the training centers, so think about what it might threaten. It seems to me that the F-35 will follow the path of the F-117, a strong rise in price, a strong reduction in orders, an early cessation of production. Well, during this time they will show themselves in some sort of banana or Uryukia, where there is no air force or air defense.
    1. 0
      26 October 2015 11: 46
      Technology ahead of the economy. A 5th generation airplane is great, but who needs it? Russia, USA and China. For 2 samples, the type we can.
    2. 0
      26 October 2015 16: 51
      "In some countries, NATO cannot recruit pilots to training centers for
      retraining by piloting this wonderful aircraft, so think about what it might threaten "///

      The same thing happened with the F-16. Pilots had to be retrained thoroughly.
      And then, during training, they broke a bunch of planes.
      But then there were no good simulators. And to F-35 they
      attached. So to "virtual reality" in the miraculous F-35 helmet
      get used, fortunately, on simulators, and not in the air.
      But one thing is for sure: a 4th generation ace will not be able to lift the f-35 into the air without
      special course.
  22. +1
    26 October 2015 14: 51
    The paradox of course, at first they made and postponed f22 because of the high cost, did it - the infrastructure is not ready (troubles with stealth communications). Bugs on f22 were not caught until the end, the price for it was gold (literally by weight), for combat single-handed special use it was very risky, they stand in the emirates as museum exhibits. A thing of course from the future but too far ahead of its time. Modernization f18 - the right decision, the development of drones, too!
    But here we see the paradox itself, and let's make a cheap version of f22, for export to our allies, let's ... time passed, f35 went up in price, the more development went on, the stronger f35 moved away from the intended goals, and what kind of stories developers did not write about it, and there will be a combat laser on it, and almost a rail-gun will be shown on it, and the engine in the future will be hypersonic, and in general f35 can become an orbital bomber ... But unlike f22 - f35 does not produce those developments that would be useful later , even for unmanned aircraft ... the army does not suffer inefficiencies a lot of expensive weapons, all of this suggests that a lot of expectations and money were invested in the f35 project, and then, as in the casino, I will put more and more money - until I get back completely, it's a shame to close the project, losing such astronomical amounts (in The USSR acted more cunningly, chopped up almost all promising projects, unless a real perspective was clearly traced).
    Probably they cannot find scapegoats to close such a project, because who will take on so much responsibility?
  23. 0
    26 October 2015 14: 55
    As for PAK-FA, the Russians are cunning there, the Indians are outraged, why is the project moving so slowly? Apparently, real achievements from the project will turn into something new, and PAK-FA itself will be a custom-made toy for Indians (but this is my opinion).
  24. 0
    29 October 2015 06: 22
    "And later it became known that almost every third pilot of the American promising F-35 fighter will face an increased risk of a fatal neck injury (whiplash) during the ejection."

    at about the same as in aerial cobra in the good old days ... when you jump out, you get from the stabilizer ...
  25. 0
    6 January 2016 16: 52
    Sometimes it seems that local commentators believe that due to the negative rinse f-35, its combat characteristics are sharply reduced ... Kashpirovsky, damn it)