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F-35 Fighting Laser: Will Lightning Change Air War Tactics?

Many technological shortcomings of the trillion-strong “single strike fighter” (“JSF”) program have led to a general and rather significant decrease in the tactical potential of the ambitious series of promising American stealth fighter F-35A / B / C, which in the near future should become the most massive aviation 5th generation complex, not only in the United States Air Force, but also in the air force of most of the NATO member countries, as well as states following the American geopolitical strategy.

Despite the significant perfection and novelty of the F-35A F-10, which is more productive and efficient than on various modifications of the F-16C and even F-22A fighter jets, less powerful AN / APG-81 radar, inferior maneuverability compared to F-15C, The combat radius of everything in 1100 km, a small number of internal suspension points - all this does not allow the Lightning II to be a full-fledged tactical fighter of the 5 generation

Since the inception of one of the most "high-profile" programs "Lockheed Martin", the concept of the F-35 fighter jets has been made huge bets, because the combat vehicle had to completely replace the F-16 multi-purpose tactical fighter aircraft fleet, with a large number of its modifications and "blocks", and also deck F / A-18C / D (E / F), outperforming them not only in terms of onboard avionics equipment, but also in basic aerodynamic qualities and LTH of the airframe; as a result, it never happened. According to the results of numerous military exercises of the US Air Force on its territory, as well as in the UK, the low flight performance of the F-35A glider, which in its maneuverability was not only inferior to the more "smart" British "Typhoon" with a composite wing and fuselage, was quickly confirmed. standard versions of the F-15C and F-16C generation "4 / 4 +", the successful technological base of which was developed at the end of 60-x - the beginning of 70-x. Complaints of low maneuverability came even from experienced pilots of the US Air Force, which automatically equates the capabilities of the F-35 melee air combat to the performance of the old F-4E.

The superior potential for network-centric air warfare was also not confirmed, where all the avionics of the link / squadron aircraft must operate in a single multi-frequency tactical information transfer system such as Link-16; Now all the advanced F-15E / SE, F-16C Block60 and F / A-18E / F / G aircraft have these parameters, which are equipped with the same airborne radar with AFAR that have a synthetic aperture mode when scanning the earth / water surface.

It is worth noting a very interesting feature: the most important trump card of the F-35, the low radar signature of the airframe (EPR aircraft near 0,2 - 0,3 m 2), makes it necessary to carry missile-bomb armament on the suspensions in the internal weapons bays, which can accommodate no more than 4 guided missiles air-to-air AIM-120C-7 "AMRAAM" for the task of winning air superiority. This is a very small number of missiles, given that modern EW fighters from developed countries are capable of reducing the effectiveness of missiles with active radar seeker by more than 50%, a vivid example is the Russian EIB Khibiny complex with attached modules of individual and group protection . In order to preserve the proper ammunition of the F-35 air wing in the United States, they even recently decided to use the F-15C / E modifications as heavy carriers of air-to-air missiles to support the F-35, which makes it impossible to refer it to a full-fledged 5. generation of tactical combat aircraft. Placing weapons on additional external suspension nodes will certainly lead to an increase in the EPR of the fighter to 0,5 - 0,8 m2, which corresponds to machines of the 4 ++ generation.

All the aspirations of Lockheed Martin specialists have broken about the harsh reality with the advent of the radio and optoelectronic appearance of the Russian MiG-35С multi-purpose light fighter, which can go into mass production at the end of 2016 of the year. The deeply refined "Twenty-Nine" deservedly received two advantages in its transitional generation, although there are even 6-generation technologies. The so-called system of optical-electronic detection of attacking missiles, represented by two compact optical-electronic complexes - VS-OAR and NS-OAR, the upper and lower hemispheres, respectively, received the most attention. These complexes are capable of detecting most of the known air-to-air, ground-to-air, and air-to-ground missiles that threaten the MiG-35 itself or friendly air and ground units. The detection of large-scale missiles of the type RIM-67 or MIM-104 is made at a distance of 45 - 50 km, missiles of the type "AMRAAM" - 35 km; BC- / NS-OAR is a high-resolution passive optical warning system, due to which missiles with an infra-red homing head (passive type) can be detected and the aircraft is completely protected from the enemy’s sudden attack.

The optical-electronic complex EOTS ("Electro-Optical Targeting System") installed on the F-35 Block 4, has so far confirmed only the possibility of working on large warm-contrast targets of the "launching ICBM" type, which does not allow it to be ranked as the most tactically important unit Avionics at the time of the defense of the fighter from a missile attack the main means of theater of operations by the enemy.

The main disadvantage of the EOTS optical-electronic complex is that its main sensors are installed in a special turret under the nose of the fuselage, which seriously limits the detection of close threats in the upper hemisphere from the fighter

The problem with the incompatibility of F-35 with many modern threats to the theater and the bustle around the low performance of the aircraft forced the manufacturer to resort to completely unconventional technical solutions that not only significantly increase the cost of the JSF program, but also cannot guarantee a significant increase in combat capabilities.

Unexpected news October 6 came from the internet resource The publication, citing Lockheed Martin, announces the development of a combat modular fiber-optic laser with an 0,4 energy yield (40%) with a total power from 0,06 to 0,12 MW. It is assumed that with such weapons F-35 will be able to achieve overwhelming superiority over any existing and even developed fighter. Meanwhile, and here the Americans, who have set up further illusions about the "star wars", run into significant problems related both to the limits and limitations of the operation of the laser weapons, and with the imperfection of the carrier itself, because the capabilities of the aircraft as an aircraft remain the same.

It is known that the power of a fiber-optic laser for Lightning II will be about 80 - 100 kW, the laser beam will be formed from several channels in each fiber-optic conductor. The laser will definitely have high efficiency, but power in 100 kW will not be enough to work effectively on medium and large air targets, and for physical reasons, depending on the natural composition of the atmosphere, you can count the mass.

F-35 is not a large enough carrier to install a combat laser with a large large-area mirror, as this will have a worse effect on the mediocre performance of the aircraft. A small mirror (up to two dozen centimeters in size) will not provide an output power that allows you to realize the capabilities that Lockheed Martin hopes for. In addition, the physical expansion of the light cone of radiation (the so-called diffraction divergence law) will play a huge role, as a result of which even the X-NUMX-kilowatt F-120 beam with a diameter of 35 cm (output) at a distance of 5 km will have a spot diameter of 10 radiation m and the 0,5 radiation power density W / cm25,5, which will be enough for serious overheating of the aircraft’s electronic equipment during long-term exposure from one direction, but taking into account the fact that the fighter is a combat vehicle that constantly maneuvers and There are fast pitch and roll turns, the exposure of one fuselage section will be very short-term, which will not allow serious overheating or “burning” any on-board equipment or airframe trimming materials, especially frontal ones, which are most suitable for high-temperature flight modes at 2 - 2,0M speeds.

At a distance of 100 km, the situation is even more complicated: the beam turns into a spot with a diameter of 5 m and a power density of just 0,25 W / cm 2; and this is without taking into account 65% of the power losses of the beam during the passage of large distances in the upper layers of the troposphere / lower layers of the stratosphere (11 - 13 km), where the atmosphere is quite dense. Such a beam is capable of only slightly heating the components of a fighter or a UAV by only a few tenths of a degree while keeping the base of the radiation cone on the target for a long time, which, firstly, will not affect the performance of the AIRO, and secondly, it is practically impossible to apply to maneuvering aircraft fighter / UAV type vehicles. Ie, at distances 10 and more kilometers, the laser weapon of the fighter will only be able to influence the operation of the optical-electronic sighting systems, while the main “combat active”, the radar complex, will maintain the 100% combat potential of the irradiated fighter.

In long-range air combat, the absorptive capacity of the atmosphere will play a decisive negative effect on the energy of the laser beam, which will “lose power”, passing through droplets of water vapor and dust molecules present even at considerable heights, and as you know, all modifications of the F-35 fighter have the practical ceiling in 16100 m, which is 3 — 4 km lower than that of such aircraft as the Su-35C or F-22A: even a cirrus cloud will create an already insuperable barrier for an already weakened beam, which will make it ineffective even against optical sensors in targeting enemy aircraft.

F-35A, having an EPR 0,3 m, will be detected and “captured” by modern aviation radar H011M Bars or H001VE (Su-30СМ and Su-27СМ fighters) at 80 - 100 km, because of which the American fighter jets are X-NUMXCM and Su-35CM-XNUMXM, or X-NUMXME fighter jets, or X-NUMXME. to maneuver in order not to be shot down during the very first, over-the-horizon identification by the radars of our fighter-interceptors, and maneuvering is the impossibility of using a laser installation, the elevation and azimuthal viewing areas of which are strictly limited by a rigidly fortified turret, which by no means would There is a wide range, because even more spoil the aerodynamics of the F-XNUMX.

The situation is similar in the air combat, "dog dump". Although at distances less than 8 km, the combat laser will pose some threat to our fighters by imposing close combat on Lightning, our pilot will be completely confident of victory over the American laser pointer, which for the same reason limits the use of azimuth and elevation will not even be able to hold the beam on our fighter even for a fraction of the time; low maneuverability will not allow him to keep the necessary laser angles for a long time in a direction favorable to the enemy fighter.

As a result, it can be concluded that the use of combat laser weapons in the performance of air-to-air class tasks is an absolutely unpromising direction, especially against fighter aircraft, in military transport aviation there are also many ways to defend against an American combat laser, one of which can be special cylinders with infrared aerosols and other chemical barriers to the passage of a powerful laser beam.

Super-maneuverability, more sophisticated, and undoubtedly a full-range, opto-electronic "stuffing" MiG-35С, in addition to the more powerful on-board radar complex with AFAR "Zhuk-A", will allow our fighter to completely surpass the 2 times more expensive American competitor with useless laser on board

Compensation of tactical and technical deficiencies of the F-35 family of fighters due to the use of laser weapons in the Earth’s atmosphere is a losing move of the famous Lockheed Martin company, because a laser can show its full potential only at altitudes above 40 km (in near space), that for the current aviation will not be available for a long time.
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  1. beitar
    beitar 14 October 2015 07: 03 New
    So much dirt is poured on the F-35, I feel there will be a decent machine, mark my word ... F-15 also abundantly poured mud during the development process, as a result, it turned out to be one of the best 4th generation fighters.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 14 October 2015 07: 53 New
      Quote: beitar
      I feel there will be a decent machine, mark my word ..

      Wait and see. You should exploit it, we should confront it (I don’t want to talk about “knocking down”, but this cannot be ruled out in any case).
      1. Throw
        Throw 14 October 2015 21: 17 New
        One of the few articles where thermal lasers are written without pink glasses and science fiction.
    2. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 14 October 2015 08: 16 New
      I don’t know what will turn out of the F-35, but do not underestimate the enemy .....
      before WWII "Zero" the Americans underestimated the same ....
      1. Forest
        Forest 14 October 2015 17: 22 New
        The Americans were generally poorly prepared for aerial combat, but Zero’s superiority didn’t last much - they quickly developed tactics for counteraction, and as modern fighters such as Lightning appeared, the game with one goal completely started. Well, if it’s interesting, you can read the books of the Japanese - it’s very interestingly said that one of the aces was going to shoot down either Wildcat or Helkat from machine guns - he drove the whole BC, but the American lived.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 14 October 2015 23: 00 New
          there were also cannons on the zeros ... something he didn’t "hammer" anywhere.
          from 7,7 the reservation could still save, and 12,7 even takes the armored back
          1. Forest
            Forest 15 October 2015 11: 56 New
            In the first Zero there were no heavy machine guns, then there were, but weak, guns had very poor ballistics and had a small ammunition load.
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 15 October 2015 12: 08 New
              How can big ammunition come from cannons? The number of possible shells in the stack decreases in inverse proportion to the cube (not even the square) of the caliber. Squared - only in bicaliber systems like the German MG151 / 20 with a total chamber length.
              1. Forest
                Forest 16 October 2015 19: 40 New
                Zero had ammunition where so modest.
                1. Scraptor
                  Scraptor 17 October 2015 04: 54 New
                  The caliber of machine guns he had was modest. It was necessary to put 13mm
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 14 October 2015 08: 58 New
      But the Soviet pilots F-15 admired. Because he flew awesome, and criticized him because of the cost.
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 14 October 2015 10: 50 New
        And the F-15 pilots trembled when the MiG-25 rolled past them even in an alliance ... laughing
        1. Aqela
          Aqela 17 October 2015 12: 36 New
          Well, the F-15 and MiG-25 are machines with different tasks, so comparing them is inappropriate here. Moreover, the F-15 was made taking into account data on the prototype MiG-25 - E-166.
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 17 October 2015 15: 30 New
            Then why did they tremble so much? wink Really did not know how to compare?
      2. Forest
        Forest 14 October 2015 17: 23 New
        The Union took the Eagle very seriously, and competing firms criticized it.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 14 October 2015 23: 02 New
          The F-14 is even more serious ... Moreover, Iran
      3. dokusib
        dokusib 17 October 2015 03: 37 New
        And what does Soviet pilots care about the cost of the F-15?
    4. LvKiller
      LvKiller 14 October 2015 10: 16 New
      The main question was this: will F35 change the tactics of war? Believe me - it will definitely change. The F35 program pulled over funds for which a more deadly and effective weapon could be created. F35 with its appearance delayed the offensive of the future for the entire period of its existence. And now pour the snot according to such a "great" American "invention."
    5. vladimir_krm
      vladimir_krm 14 October 2015 11: 07 New
      Blessed is he who believes (c) :)
      Already tired of arguing, we will come back to this issue later, when it comes to your service. Do not be too lazy to tell?
    6. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 14 October 2015 18: 03 New
      Quote: beitar
      The F-15 was also abundantly poured mud during the development process, resulting in one of the best 4th generation fighters.

      What is better in it? Strong middling, no more.
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 17 October 2015 12: 40 New
        Of course, the Su-27 and its descendants are superior to the F-15, but at the time of its appearance there were no competitors for it, and before the appearance of the MiG-29 and Su-27, only the MiG-23MLD could resist it at least to some extent (ordinary he was fighting - as he wanted).
        For example, I am amused by the comparison of the properties of the F-16 and MiG-21. It turns out that after a distinct modernization of avionics and sighting, the MiG-21 was not inferior to the “Combat Falcon” ...
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 17 October 2015 15: 37 New
          To some extent, MLD tore it ...
          MiG E-8 was not at all inferior, rather even surpassed and appeared in ... 1962.

          Also attributed to the "accident", as that from which the "F-35" appeared
    7. Aqela
      Aqela 17 October 2015 12: 11 New
      In order to maintain proper ammunition, the F-35 air wing in the United States recently even decided to use the F-15C / E modifications as heavy carriers of air-to-air missiles to support the F-35, which no longer makes it a full 5th a generation of tactical combat aircraft.

      lol And this de.rm.ishche for more than 20 years can not bring to mind ... Mdya ...
      By the way, and where are many, many years of development of the F-15 under a hail of ridicule? request
      Quote from everyone's favorite Wikipedia:
      McDonnell-Douglas F-15 "Eagle" (born McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle, translated - Eagle) - the fourth-generation American all-weather fighter. Designed in 1972 year. Designed to gain superiority in the air. It was commissioned in 1976..

      In the book of E. Tsikhosh “Supersonic Aircraft” it is indicated:
      In 1965, the US Air Force and Aviation Command, not satisfied with the result of using the Phantom II F-4 aircraft in the Vietnam War, began developing the TTT for the FX self-propelled gun intended to replace the F-4 ... In 1968, the aircraft received the designation F- 15 ... By the end of 1980, more than 500 such aircraft were built ...

      So what we have: what
      1) in 1965, the development of the concept began,
      2) in 1967 the terms of reference were given,
      3) in 1968 a contract was approved,
      4) in 1972 - the first flight,
      5) in 1976 - adoption;
      6) after 4 years - 500 aircraft in service with the USA + contract with Japan (Mitsubishi aircraft, as a modification of the F-15) ...
      Pancake! Amazingly long development (4 years before the first flight + 4 years until the completion of all tests and adoption)! Thorny paths overcome by this worthy car! belay
      You really, dear, do not shit rubbish and more closely with the facts! It's still not a kindergarten! fool
  2. Mera joota
    Mera joota 14 October 2015 07: 24 New
    The author, with terrible stubbornness, is trying to prove that the F-35 is nothing. And for what? All the "true patriots" do not require any evidence, for it is also clear in reality that this is a dough cut and a flying iron that is not capable of anything. Therefore, why so many letters were written ...
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 14 October 2015 10: 47 New
      What's up with the F-117? True democrats and republicans drove so much drool over him ...
      No, this one is still flying ... there are so many babkof in his helmet (and laser), only the point is that you can put all this on any plane ...
  3. qwert
    qwert 14 October 2015 07: 38 New
    "The F-15 was also abundantly poured mud during the development process, resulting in one of the best 4 generation fighters."
    Without begging the merits of F-15, I note. that they didn’t pour mud on it during the development process. Of course he wasn’t extolled because F-111, but still positioned as a definite breakthrough and they didn’t argue with this either in the Western or in the Soviet media.

    Well, insignificance or insignificance, and if you draw an analogy, the F-35 is similar to the F-84, acting in conjunction with the F-86. Only now there will be F-35 and F-22. Good shock capabilities and ability to withstand the MiG-21 in battle. Impact machines are also needed. Especially the USA.
  4. DimanC
    DimanC 14 October 2015 07: 46 New
    Enemy is better to overestimate. But with lasers, Americans will really get better. Here we need accelerators of neutral particles. They say that in the late USSR such work was started in Armenia, but after its collapse, the case was closed
  5. Belousov
    Belousov 14 October 2015 08: 14 New
    Lasers are nothing more than an advertising move. For the rest of the characteristics at least does not exceed the representatives of 4 + / 4 ++.
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 17 October 2015 16: 17 New
      I think that stories about the laser are an attempt to somehow justify the lard of expenses and the years of unsuccessful attempts to make candy out of ... raw materials. There is a beautiful flying squiggle, worth more than a pure gold monument ... At least somehow you need to report! belay
  6. tchoni
    tchoni 14 October 2015 08: 39 New
    The author talks about the heights of the effective use of a laser of 40 km, forgetting that the characteristics of the atmosphere at altitudes of more than 10 thousand meters and at ground level are two big differences. I would not be so categorical in terms of “the impossibility of implementing a full-fledged laser turret”. In general, there are a lot of beeches, the numbers are the same, but they are not quite clear. So, speaking of range, the author does not talk about for what heights these indicators work. But, there is a feeling that these are estimates for sea level. What will happen to 10 from the article is not entirely clear.
  7. Ogogoshka
    Ogogoshka 14 October 2015 09: 29 New
    F35 is a cool aircraft, the main thing is that for a second the budget does not stop pouring into this amazing and best-in-class fighter.
    1. LvKiller
      LvKiller 14 October 2015 10: 21 New
      Offset. Irony Detected.
  8. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 14 October 2015 10: 28 New
    All the aspirations of Lockheed Martin specialists crashed into harsh reality with the advent of the radio and optoelectronic appearance of the Russian light MiG-35C light fighter, which can go into mass production at the end of 2016. The deeply improved Twenty-nine deservedly received two advantages in its transitional generation, although there are even technologies of the 6th generation. The so-called optoelectronic detection system for attacking missiles, presented by two compact optoelectronic complexes - VS-OAR and NS-OAR, the upper and lower hemispheres, respectively, received the most attention. These systems are capable of detecting most of the known air-to-air, ground-to-air, and air-to-ground missiles, which threaten the MiG-35 itself or friendly air and ground units. The detection of large missiles such as RIM-67 or MIM-104 is carried out at a distance of 45 - 50 km, missiles like "AMRAAM" - 35 km; The VS- / NS-OAR are high-resolution passive optical warning devices, thanks to which missiles with an infrared homing head (passive type) can be detected and the aircraft is fully immune from a sudden attack by the enemy.

    I would love to read about the MiG-35. Read about F35 already tired. The authors can not get any fundamentally new information, and chase the one that is, in a circle
  9. Maksus
    Maksus 14 October 2015 10: 31 New
    Complaints about low maneuverability even came from experienced pilots of the US Air Force, which automatically equates the capabilities of close air combat F-35 to the performance of the old F-4E.

    How come? Why not immediately to Mustang or Pishuter?
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 17 October 2015 16: 19 New
      Phantom-2 for maneuverability is still that iron. So it’s not good to compare him with Mustang ...
  10. IAlex
    IAlex 14 October 2015 13: 51 New
    C'mon, what if the laser is used for close defense of the aircraft from ground and air missiles approaching in a straight path? As a result, you cannot shoot down the aircraft with missiles and you have to approach the range of the gun, i.e. 5 km where the laser is effective. Especially if the pepelats with a laser cannot be shot down by missiles, it can quite effectively bomb ground targets and destroy enemy aircraft with its Air-to-Air missiles, all the more so at an altitude the conditions for the laser to work should be better, and besides, all-round visibility should be provided without obstacles ... And the laser does not need to be a super-booper, it is quite enough to ensure efficiency at a distance of 10 km ... In principle, in this situation, nothing is required from the plane in terms of characteristics, except for the ability to work in computer network and provide an acceptable speed of arrival ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 October 2015 14: 16 New
      Already apply. In Israel, they put such a module on the military
      transporters. The laser blinds the rocket and leads it to the side.
      Against MANPADS and missiles BB.
      For a fighter, such a system is too massive,
      but the size decreases with each new version.
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 14 October 2015 14: 20 New
        I'm not talking about blinding due to the weakness of current lasers, but about warming up a rocket and its physical destruction. Such a system is massive so far only because of the lack of volumes of supercapacitors and the power / size of chemical lasers, but the first and second in the last 5 years have taken significant steps, the more it is assumed that in the next few years, supercapacitors will be able to replace batteries in cars, and this means that the time will come for full-fledged laser and railgun guns, and the Americans are constantly reducing their chemical lasers, there are already prototypes for helicopters :)
        1. Aqela
          Aqela 17 October 2015 16: 21 New
          I think that with the advent of supercapacitors, the railotron will become more appropriate.
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 17 October 2015 16: 28 New
            The rails are not aluminum, it’s hard to cut them ...
      2. andj61
        andj61 14 October 2015 15: 08 New
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Already apply. In Israel, they put such a module on the military
        transporters. The laser blinds the rocket and leads it to the side.

        But for blinding instruments or manpower, a laser can be used, and for destruction, there are cheaper methods.
        1. IAlex
          IAlex 14 October 2015 15: 21 New
          The laser is the cheapest and most accurate, especially for 10 cm objects at a distance of 10 km ... I doubt that you will get into such a small object from anything, especially how much you need to carry cargo with you in the form of boxes for a cartridge, cartridge case, gunpowder , bullets, and bullets of 12 mm will also have decent dispersion, i.e. you spend money on the spot, the fuel and the dofig consumables themselves ...
    2. Aqela
      Aqela 17 October 2015 16: 20 New
      No. It also requires the ability to work in a computer toy ... wink
  11. gregor6549
    gregor6549 14 October 2015 14: 32 New
    If anyone has been following the process of creating the F35, then he remembers that the plane was not set as an airplane for gaining superiority in the air, but as an attack aircraft whose main task was to launch missile bombing and other attacks against land and sea targets. At the same time, the task of gaining superiority in the air was posed to another F22 aircraft. We can talk about the high cost of the F35 and the mass of childhood diseases identified during its creation, but one thing is certain: the latest achievements of science and technology are embodied in the plane making this bird not an easy target for “wrestlers” with it.
    You can, of course, argue about how expedient it was to create several types of aircraft in one bottle, but the Customers wanted it so much and the Customers, alas, do not always know what they want, and this is not only a trouble for the foreign Customers, but also for many “internal” ones. Well, a civil engineer is a small person. He does what he was ordered to and for which he pays money. Something turns out, something is not quite, but he tries. And to say that the result of his work is completely useless is hardly possible, especially since many of the technologies first tested on the F35 will undoubtedly be in demand in the development of new generations of aircraft. Therefore, as some commentators correctly note, we wait and see or maybe learn something. And there is something to learn.
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 17 October 2015 16: 27 New
      That sounds funny. I’m ready to partially agree with you, but I’ll note the following: all these reasons would be justified with the name, say, YF-35 and the status of the aircraft as experimental. We are talking about persistent attempts to replicate the car vtyuhat, as it is completely finished and reliable, and not as a stand for working out promising solutions.
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 17 October 2015 16: 33 New
        And which of these is the conclusion?
        Something for a long time about "his helmet" no one wrote anything.
        You can think he will not fit the F-22 ...
  12. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 14 October 2015 16: 43 New
    F-35 ... nicknamed "Penguin" is just an invaluable unit .. and let it improve as much as possible .. we wish the United States creative success in its field ... and maybe it will fly normally in bad weather
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 17 October 2015 16: 29 New
      F-35 "Fighting penguin II" Strong, however! laughing