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Rocket complex "Caliber". Syria, characteristics and policies

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Since the end of September aviation A group of Russian Aerospace Forces, based at the Khmeimim airfield near Latakia, carries out regular attacks on the positions and targets of various terrorist organizations operating in Syria. On October 7, naval ships were involved in the operation. fleet. In the early morning of Wednesday, the sailors of the Caspian flotilla carried out a massive missile attack on enemy targets. This attack immediately attracted the attention of experts and the public around the world.


Information about missile firing appeared a few hours after the launch. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin on the successful accomplishment of the combat mission. According to the minister, the ships of the Caspian Flotilla launched 26 cruise missiles of the Caliber complex, the purpose of which were 11 enemy targets. As a result of this attack, all the intended targets were destroyed. Civilians are not injured. The head of the military department also noted that the results of these strikes confirmed the high effectiveness of the Caliber missiles in strikes at long distances. So, to achieve their goals, the missiles had to overcome about 1500 km.

A little later, Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov, Chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, spoke about missile launches. According to him, 5 and 6 of October, Russian intelligence officers found several important objects of terrorists in Syria, to be immediately destroyed. Before the strike, the Ministry of Defense specialists collected all the necessary information from various sources and conducted a computer simulation of the upcoming operation. Only after that the necessary data were used for the ships of the Caspian Flotilla, which were used in the missile attack.

Rocket complex "Caliber". Syria, characteristics and policies
3M-14E rocket complex "Caliber". Photo Rbase.new-factoria.ru


Also, the Russian military agreed a blow to the militants with foreign partners. As seen in the published schemes, the route of the missiles ran over the territories of Iran and Iraq. Apparently, the authorities of these states were warned in advance about the attack and gave their consent to a rocket attack on terrorists.

Missile launches were performed in the southwestern region of the Caspian Sea. The rocket ship Dagestan (11661 project Gepard) and three small missile ships of the 21631 project Buyan-M: Grad Sviyazhsk, Uglich and Veliky Ustyug were involved in the operation. Even before dawn of 7 October, the ships reached the launch area and fired. The targets were aimed 26 missiles complex "Caliber". The exact type of these products has not yet been clarified.

A. Kartapolov noted that the planning of the operation took into account the safety of the civilian population. Therefore, in particular, the corridors of flight of rockets were laid over deserted areas. Within hours, cruise missiles reached their targets in the provinces of Raqca, Idlib and Aleppo. The purpose of the attack was to destroy 11 of various objects: command and control centers, ammunition and fuel depots, training bases, and munitions and explosive devices factories.

According to the Department of Defense, all 11 targets were successfully destroyed. Crews of rocket ships of the Caspian Flotilla coped with the task and left the terrorists without a number of important objects.

In the afternoon of October 7, the military department published a video about the morning rocket attack. The operators captured missile launches from all the ships involved in the operation. In addition, the flight route of the missiles to their targets was shown. Also in the video were some other interesting moments that are of interest both to specialists and to the general public. In particular, the mark was attended by the Tu-160 bomber mark, which was located above the eastern part of the Caspian Sea during the launch of missiles from ships.

The October 7 missile launches are of great interest for a variety of reasons. Firstly, because the navy joined the strikes against terrorist facilities. Earlier, only aircraft destroyed the bases, camps and factories of the militants. The second reason is related to the fact that the Caliber missile system has never been used in real combat operations. To date, a large number of test and training launches have already been performed, but such missiles have not yet been used in combat. The third factor that causes interest in the subject is the technical characteristics of the missiles. A strike on targets in Syria made major adjustments to the existing open information about the Caliber complex. Finally, such an operation may affect the military-political situation in the region.

The development of the Caliber missile system dates back to the early eighties, when Soviet industry began work on several new projects. In the future, existing developments became the basis for new ones, as a result of which a number of promising cruise missiles appeared, in particular 3М-54Э and 3М-14Э. These products, created by experts of the Novator Design Bureau (from the beginning of the two thousandth, are part of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern), eventually became the basis for a new missile system, which can be equipped with missiles with different characteristics and different combat units.

The most important feature of the Caliber complex is its versatility. There are four options for this system. The Caliber-NK is intended for installation on surface ships, the Caliber-PL is proposed for submarines, the Caliber-A is designed for use by aviation, and the Caliber-M is a mobile land complex. For use as part of a modification of the complex rockets with various equipment and characteristics are offered.

Tests of rocket complexes of the Caliber family began relatively long ago. For example, verification of a modification of a complex designed for submarines was completed in 2004 year. In the future, the Novator Design Bureau continued work on the promising complex. In particular, several years ago, the Club-K missile system was presented, launchers and other equipment of which are mounted in standard 20 or 40 foot containers. This complex also belongs to the “Caliber” family and uses its rockets.


Missile launch by the ship of the Caspian Flotilla. Shot from the clip of the Ministry of Defense


October 7 used Caliber-NK missile systems on ships of the Caspian Flotilla to attack terrorists. The type of missiles used has not yet been announced, but it can be assumed that these were products of one of the modifications 3М-54 or 3М-14.

Available information about the first combat use of the Caliber missiles seriously changes the existing picture. The fact is that earlier the development organization announced only the characteristics of the export complex, but was in no hurry to disclose information on weapons for the Russian Navy. In particular, the maximum range of the missiles was indicated at the level of 300 km - the maximum possible for export rocket systems. Existing international agreements prohibit the sale of missiles to third countries with a range of more than 300 km.

The scheme of strikes against targets in Syria, published by the Russian Ministry of Defense, shows that the missiles flew much more “export” 300 kilometers. In addition, the Secretary of Defense stated that they overcame about 1500 km. Thus, the missiles of the Kalibr complex, intended for the Russian armed forces, are several times longer than export modifications, which are regularly shown at exhibitions. This feature of the complex could not fail to attract the attention of specialists and lovers of military equipment.

It should be noted, some information about significant differences in the characteristics of missiles appeared a few years ago. Thus, in the summer of 2012, the commander of the Caspian Flotilla, Rear Admiral Sergei Alekminsky, made some statements about the ship "Dagestan", which was being tested at that time. The commander noted that the ship had a missile system installed that allows attacking surface targets at a distance of up to 375 km and ground targets at distances up to 2600 km.

In September last year, the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Alexander Vitko, spoke about plans to re-equip his operational-strategic alliance. According to the admiral, in the future, the Novorossiysk naval base will become the duty station of the newest submarines armed with the most modern missiles with a range of up to 1,5 thousand km. Apparently, A. Vitko had in mind the submarines of the 636 Varshavyanka project, which are armed with the Caliber-PL complex.

Thus, information about the approximate range of missiles of the Caliber complex, even with a sufficiently large spread, appeared long ago, but has not yet been documented. The October 7 attack demonstrated all the capabilities of the newest missile systems.

Emerging information about the characteristics of the range of missiles "Caliber" will not be ignored by foreign military and politicians. With a range of at least 1500 km, missile systems of ships or submarines become very formidable. weaponsable to control large areas. For example, ships of the Caspian flotilla, moving across the Caspian Sea, can control a large region of the Middle East, up to the northern regions of the Gulf of Aden and the northern regions of the Arabian Sea. In addition, there is the possibility of attacking targets in Eastern Europe.


Rocket ship "Dagestan"



Rear Admiral Alekminsky last year talked about the newest ships of the Caspian Flotilla with missiles, whose range reaches 2600 km. In this case, Eastern and Central Europe, up to Germany, as well as part of Scandinavia, fall under the responsibility of the Caliber missiles. In addition, control over the Middle East remains and the possibility of attacking targets in the Mediterranean. In this case, the submarines of the Black Sea Fleet will receive no less shock potential. Moving across the Black Sea, the Varshavyanka submarines can change the boundaries of the controlled area.

The latest information about the Caliber missile system can be a signal to “foreign partners” and show them that Russia has a new high-precision weapon with the highest characteristics that allows it to control large areas near the borders of the country. Thus, it can be assumed that the massive 7 October missile attack pursued not only purely military, but also political objectives. In one operation, more than a dozen enemy targets were destroyed, and also to demonstrate the military might of the fleet.

Four ships successfully destroyed the targets and left the missile firing area. The Aerospace Forces group, in turn, continued to destroy the objects of terrorists with air strikes. The fight against terrorists continues and will last for some time. It is quite possible that the Caliber will not be the last surprise from the Russian Ministry of Defense.


On the materials of the sites:
http://mil.ru/
http://ria.ru/
http://tass.ru/
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/
http://sandrermakoff.livejournal.com/
http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 9 October 2015 06: 03 New
    57
    When in Russia it smells of gunpowder, in the West it smells like shit laughing
    1. SibRUS
      SibRUS 9 October 2015 06: 19 New
      151
      And somewhere, we thought about the technology of counteraction! laughing
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 9 October 2015 06: 35 New
        19
        By the way, what's up with the "Wall" project? When will the object be handed over?
        1. SibRUS
          SibRUS 9 October 2015 06: 54 New
          31
          With this "project" everything was initially clear.
          1. GDP
            GDP 9 October 2015 10: 16 New
            -3
            The course is certainly strong ...
            But maybe all the same, potential opponents should not reveal the true capabilities of the caliber?
            In a major conflict with a truly dangerous adversary - it would be a trump card up the sleeve ...
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 9 October 2015 10: 37 New
              17
              Quote: GDP
              true caliber capabilities reveal

              what are these opportunities?
              Everyone has long known about the existence of analogs of "axes" in the USSR as far back as the KR ...
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 9 October 2015 11: 30 New
                +3
                Quote: Rus2012
                what are these opportunities?
                Everyone has long known about the existence of analogs of "axes" in the USSR as far back as the KR ...

                The grenade was only in the nuclear version.
                1. Rus2012
                  Rus2012 9 October 2015 11: 38 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                  The grenade was only in the nuclear version.

                  X-55 - too.
                  and what was the "ax" originally?
                  1. Lt. Air Force stock
                    Lt. Air Force stock 9 October 2015 12: 29 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Rus2012
                    and what was the "ax" originally?

                    Initially, there were two versions:
                    1) RGM / UGM-109A TLAM-N nuclear 5-200 kilotons.
                    2) RGM / UGM-109B TASM conventional warhead 450 kg. Inertial guidance system, on the final section of ARLGSN.
                    1. Baikal
                      Baikal 9 October 2015 15: 07 New
                      +6
                      Quote from one article on the same subject:
                      "Objectively evaluate the place where we are now on this path. The blow dealt by the Caspian flotilla so far cannot be repeated by any of our fleets, including the ocean ones, and this is only 1 / 3 volley of the American destroyer."
                      Joy joy, our fellows, there’s nothing to say ... But work ahead of the land is endless soldier
                      1. Lt. Air Force stock
                        Lt. Air Force stock 9 October 2015 18: 54 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Baikal
                        Quote from one article on the same subject:
                        "Objectively assess the place where we are now on this path. The strike inflicted by the Caspian flotilla cannot yet be repeated by any of our fleets, including ocean ones, and this is only 1/3 of a salvo of an American destroyer."
                        Joy joy, our fellows, there’s nothing to say ... But work ahead of the land is endless

                        As far as I understand, the universal missiles caliber missiles, which means they can also be launched from an airplane (in addition, the X-101 are being developed). As for the destroyer, not only tomahawks are included in 96 cells, but also SM-2/6 and SiSparrow anti-aircraft missiles, in the missile defense version also SM-3, Asrok-type PLUR, and, in the future, LRASM anti-ship missiles.
                      2. Talgat
                        Talgat 10 October 2015 10: 35 New
                        +2
                        I just wanted to remind everyone where the whole story began.

                        As we remember, in agreement with the United States, no one places ground-based missile defense systems

                        But the US has them on numerous Arly Burkes and Ticks

                        Russia's response was to deploy the CD on small river ships - and then the Caspian Sea and the river system of the Russian Federation become sites for launching "European strategic" CD
                      3. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 11 October 2015 10: 21 New
                        +4
                        Be that as it may, Russia's first combat use
                        long-range cruise missiles - a landmark.

                        Both Tomahawk and Caliber are effective long-range weapons for
                        defeat important stationary targets of the enemy.
                        It is good that Russia has now recognized this, and not just the United States.
                      4. Yarhann
                        Yarhann 11 October 2015 12: 39 New
                        -1
                        weapons are good and effective only with one BUT - if the enemy does not have a modern missile detection and guidance complex.
                        RCs are very well detected at long distances using AWACS aircraft and at short range short-range air defense systems such as Shell and etc. - and given the very low speed of approach to the target, they are practically guaranteed to be destroyed. It is clear that throughout the country you can’t put a plant and enterprises around the Shell — but dangerous areas can be blocked and at important objects put Shell and other systems of the near air defense zone. Unforgettable more about fighter aircraft, which just as easily catches the Kyrgyz Republic.
                        The conclusion from all this is that the Kyrgyz Republic is good when there is an attack on an unprotected civilian or military infrastructure - that is, for starters it will be necessary to fight in the air all the same to take out the AWACS planes of the hawks and also to destroy and muffle the air defense systems - only then can they attack the Kyrgyz Republic application will be effective.
                      5. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 11 October 2015 14: 03 New
                        0
                        You are, in principle, right. Air defense can deal with KR.

                        But do not forget that strategic KR
                        also much advanced in comparison with
                        their first combat use in 1991.
                        They begin to do stealth forms, they started
                        make circles over the battlefield in search of a target if the target has moved
                        during the flight.
                    2. duchy
                      duchy 11 October 2015 13: 23 New
                      -1
                      Both Tomahawk and Caliber are effective long-range weapons for
                      defeat important stationary targets of the enemy.
                      It is good that Russia has now recognized this, and not just the United States.

                      But our military and the designer have long known this and there were rockets, just our liberal rulers in those days were all rotten. Today, Russia stood up firmly and said: Guys, let's live together. bully
                    3. Arkon
                      Arkon 11 October 2015 20: 52 New
                      0
                      Both Tomahawk and Caliber are effective long-range weapons for
                      defeat important stationary targets of the enemy.


                      Not only stationary, but also marine.
      2. SOKOL777
        SOKOL777 9 October 2015 11: 25 New
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        Quote: GDP
        true caliber capabilities

        The true capabilities of the Caliber are classified.
        What could be shown, they showed. Moreover ...
      3. kotvov
        kotvov 9 October 2015 12: 58 New
        +1
        But maybe all the same, potential opponents should not reveal the true capabilities of the caliber ?,
        I think, and in the article about this, that it’s just a power strike, but the show, to the same Saudis, that it could be. That is, the policy is backed up by a blow.
      4. v-sorok
        v-sorok 9 October 2015 13: 56 New
        +3
        I think this is not the last trump card! Still in the sleeve!
      5. Dilshat
        Dilshat 9 October 2015 20: 55 New
        0
        On the true possibilities and surprises on the birthday of Vladimir Putin-http: //politrussia.com/vooruzhennye-sily/kalibr-strelyaet-mimo-356/
        http://politrussia.com/vooruzhennye-sily/rakety-kalibr-razbombili-929/
      6. Alexy
        Alexy 10 October 2015 04: 26 New
        +2
        Trump is certainly not bad, but I think the leadership does not intend to arrange a war with potential opponents. A sobering effect for some very hot heads was produced.
  2. NordUral
    NordUral 9 October 2015 11: 14 New
    0
    Would you like to accept and evaluate the work? Frustrated, do not wait. The project for centuries.
  3. silver_roman
    silver_roman 12 October 2015 12: 27 New
    0
    Are you kidding me? We have been building a station on Darnitsa (one of the railway stations in Kiev) for 15 years now.
    But the majority of Ukrainians shout that the Kerch bridge of the Russian Federation will not be built. It is funny and sad at the same time. but generally disgusting!
  • Sharapov
    Sharapov 9 October 2015 07: 08 New
    +8
    YES, Ukrainians in their repertoire .... Then it’s worth closing the hohland with a dome so that they could not be taken out of space.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 9 October 2015 08: 44 New
      0
      The commander noted that a missile system was installed on the ship, which allows attacking surface targets at a distance of up to 375 km and ground targets at distances up to 2600 km.

      Explain to me who is in the subject: what is it that means, then these missiles will not be able to hit targets in the Mediterranean Sea, if according to the declared characteristics the range of surface targets is up to 375 km? (Launch naturally from the Caspian Sea)
      1. kote119
        kote119 9 October 2015 09: 08 New
        +2
        no can't
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 9 October 2015 09: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        what’s going on, then these missiles will not be able to hit targets in the Mediterranean Sea, if according to the declared characteristics, the range of surface targets to 375 km

        ... adjustment of the location of mobile targets (target designation) is required in order to compensate for their "departure" during the flight. Distance 1,5tkm, KR flies in 2 hours at a speed of 700-800 km / h.
      3. kvapu1976
        kvapu1976 9 October 2015 11: 04 New
        +1
        375 km for naval targets, for ground targets of 2600 km, and during tests when starting from an airplane to a target 30 km away, it did not reach 15 m, with an axial deviation of 5 m.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 9 October 2015 11: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: kvapu1976
          375 km for naval targets, for ground targets of 2600 km, and during tests when starting from an airplane to a target 30 km away, it did not reach 15 m, with an axial deviation of 5 m.

          On the American Wikipedia it is written that the range of anti-ship missiles Caliber 440-600 kilometers.
          1. opus
            opus 9 October 2015 12: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            On the American Wikipedia it is written that the range of anti-ship missiles Caliber 440-600 kilometers.

            For Russian aircraft
            3M-54/3M-54T: 660km
            3M-14/3M-14T: 2500km
            (3M14T has a greater length of 2,7m)

            for export versions

            91RE1: 50km
            3M-54E Klub-S: 220km
            3M-54E1/3M-14E: 300km

            EVERYTHING IS TRUE - shopping mall RKRT
            The missile technology control regime was created in 1987 and currently unites 34 states, including all industrialized ones. The purpose of the MTCR is to counter the proliferation of technologies for developing missile delivery systems for weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Achieving the goal is carried out by responsible export policy by members of the MTCR.

        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 9 October 2015 11: 40 New
          +4
          Quote: kvapu1976
          and on start-up tests

          key "on trials" - and this is the main thing, don't you think ?!

          In tests, there is everything, and then tests to identify and eliminate!
      4. opus
        opus 9 October 2015 11: 41 New
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        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Explain to me who is in the subject: what’s this going on, then these missiles will not be able to hit targets in the Mediterranean Sea, if according to the declared characteristics, the range of destruction of surface targets is up to 375 km? (

        You write about different Kr.
        ZM-54 = RCC, ZM-14 = KR against ground targets.
        they have different GOS, different warheads, dimensions (length), guidance systems


        anti-ship(3M-54) equipped with ARGS-54 (E) (pointing the missile at the target in the angle sector in azimuth ± 45 ° ± 45 °, in elevation - from + 10 ° to −20 °. Maximum range - to 65 km.)
        Along the trajectory guidance of the ANN + RLGSN. There is no Glonas / GPS correction on it.
        Corrections in real time according to the data of the control center during the flight NO.
        The anti-ship missile is subsonic (0,7M), while flying at 1500 / 2600km (and this is CLOCK), the attacked target will leave and the target’s location is very far away. GOS simply does not capture her.
        There's no point

        KR against ground targets (ZM-14) have ARGS-14 (E) detection ground motionless =targets in the sector of angles in azimuth ± 45 °, in elevation - from + 10 ° to −20 °.
        Maximum Range - to 20 km
        Guidance ANN + RLGSN + correction according to GLONASS or GPS
        Goal ground motionless, identification takes place on the radar map of the surrounding area.
        The target may not be radar contrast.
        ================================================== ======
        Wait for the appearance of ballistic anti-ship missiles with a range of 1500 km, something based on the TR from Iskander-M.
        How to make a detachable maneuverable warhead
        How to solve the issue with the second stage
        How will the new GOS
        How will the formation of the satellite constellation of the Russian Federation (Lotos-S, Persona, and CEN and ESSS-2) be completed
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 9 October 2015 11: 52 New
          +1
          Thank you all for the clarification!
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        3. gjv
          gjv 9 October 2015 12: 04 New
          0
          Quote: opus
          anti-ship (3M-54) are equipped with ARGS-54 (E) (pointing the missile at the target in the angle sector in azimuth ± 45 ° ± 45 °, in elevation - from + 10 ° to −20 °. The maximum range - to 65 km.) ...
          CRs against ground targets (ZM-14) have ARGS-14 (E) ground-based motionless detection = targets in the angle sector in azimuth ± 45 °, in elevation - from + 10 ° to −20 °.
          Maximum Range - to 20 km

          Do not underestimate the range? Really not 220 and 300 km? What then was shot at ISIS?
          1. opus
            opus 9 October 2015 12: 22 New
            +4
            Quote: gjv
            Do not underestimate the range?

            I do not underestimate the range of the radar seeker. There is a physical limitation (the basic law of radar location): the dish antenna and the power of the radar seeker, and of course other image intensifier tubes, etc.
            Quote: opus
            The maximum range is up to 65 km.)

            Quote: opus
            Maximum range - up to 20 km

            GOS RADAR (target capture)
            Quote: gjv
            Really not 220 and 300 km?

            I did not write about 220 and 300km.
            1. KM220 and 300 are for PCR (anti-ship) and for E (export, restriction of MTCR)
            For ours there will be more than 400-600, but there is no data


            Quote: gjv
            What then was shot at ISIS?

            not anti-ship.
            and KR ZM-14 (they are not able to hit moving targets)
          2. kote119
            kote119 9 October 2015 12: 56 New
            -1
            fired at 3m14e pasties
            1. opus
              opus 9 October 2015 13: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: kote119
              fired at 3m14e pasties


              3m14e launch range up to 300km (MTCR)
        4. Engineer
          Engineer 9 October 2015 14: 34 New
          +1
          Anti-ship missiles: 3M-54E and 3M-54E1, the first three-stage with supersonic warheads, the second two-stage subsonic, but with more warhead mass due to the abandonment of the third supersonic stage.
          1. opus
            opus 9 October 2015 16: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Engineer
            the first three-stage with supersonic warhead,

            1.ZM-54 is RCC
            2. ZM-54 with index (E) 1 -CROPTED, under the NATO TA / PU standard
            3. They are ALL single-stage.
            as well as 3M-54A (E) and 3M-54A () E1 aircraft-based, which do not have a starting engine / accelerator.
            This is not a "step" in the literal sense of the word.
            You do not call Granite / Bramos 2-step?

            54 (E) 1 not quite 2-speed (do not consider the booster booster, see above)
            she has a rocket and supersonic solid propellant warhead

            Well, it's like 91R (E) 1 91RT (E) 2 which warhead is the essence of a torpedo APR-3M (E) or MPT-1UM (E)

            You do not call it 2x (3x with a booster) stepped?
        5. SIvan
          SIvan 9 October 2015 22: 06 New
          +2
          Wait for the appearance of ballistic anti-ship missiles with a range of 1500 km, something based on the TR from Iskander-M.
          How to make a detachable maneuverable warhead
          How to solve the issue with the second stage
          How will the new GOS
          How will the formation of the satellite constellation of the Russian Federation (Lotos-S, Persona, and CEN and ESSS-2) be completed


          First, you need to wait for the termination of the agreement on the INF Treaty. But then you will restore Pershing 2.
        6. Arkon
          Arkon 11 October 2015 20: 58 New
          0
          Corrections in real time according to the data of the control center during the flight NO.


          Ahhh ... Well, no, no.
      5. Nick
        Nick 9 October 2015 11: 42 New
        0
        Quote: SRC P-15
        The commander noted that a missile system was installed on the ship, which allows attacking surface targets at a distance of up to 375 km and ground targets at distances up to 2600 km.

        Explain to me who is in the subject: what is it that means, then these missiles will not be able to hit targets in the Mediterranean Sea, if according to the declared characteristics the range of surface targets is up to 375 km? (Launch naturally from the Caspian Sea)

        IMHO the problem is that it is difficult to aim. During the flight of the rocket, the target can move from its original position a considerable distance. GOS missiles will not catch her
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        2. opus
          opus 9 October 2015 12: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Nick
          IMHO the problem is that it is difficult to aim.

          Theoretically, it is possible to "aim" if the flight task correction mode was implemented on these CDs (if the target is mobile): a two-way data transmission channel.
          After the launch of the rocket, the target trajectory is recorded in the on-board equipment of the carrier. If the target does not maneuver, then transmission of correction commands from the carrier does not occur. If the target maneuvers, the target coordinates are corrected in real time
          Guidance of the CR in the initial section is carried out only with the help of its own ANN (flight task) and correction from the carrier along a moving target, after reaching the capture zone of the radar seeker, the active seeker starts working.

          In principle, everything is the same as on the AIM-120 AMRAAM (R-37, KS-172) - it manages to hit not exactly, then on a ship with a linear speed of 30 knots at an offset of 2 planes), but also on an aircraft with a speed of up to 3 m, maneuvering in 3 planes with overloads up to 12G, with image intensifier tubes (EPR) 3 orders of magnitude less.
          KS-172 for TK intercepts the CC at ranges up to 400km

          What Americans want to do on LRASM-A: a two-way data channel, what they wanted for the RGM-84M (AGM-84M)


          ==============================
          So far, we have not implemented it
          1. Falcon
            Falcon 9 October 2015 21: 28 New
            0
            Quote: opus
            Theoretically, it is possible to "aim" if the flight task correction mode was implemented on these CDs (if the target is mobile): a two-way data transmission channel.


            This would be relevant for x-59mk2 probably.
            Quote: opus
            After the launch of the rocket, the target path data is recorded in the on-board equipment of the carrier


            The question is, what kind of carrier that sees the target at ranges greater than 300-400 km?

            I understand x-59mk2 range in the 300 region, yes you can adjust it, but let the caliber with the range 1500-2500km or the supersonic warhead 54 (E) 1 be up to 800-1000km and how to correct them?
            1. Arkon
              Arkon 12 October 2015 08: 26 New
              0
              but let a caliber with a range of 1500-2500km or with a supersonic warhead 54 (E) 1 offhand up to 800-1000km and how to correct them?


              Lianoy. The legend corrected Granites.
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 12 October 2015 14: 56 New
                0
                Do Granites Need Correction? As far as I remember, they only need the AUG location area, and they carried out additional exploration and target designation themselves. In addition to the Legend and ship’s facilities, the Tu-95RC was also used for this, something based on the Tu-16 and even the data of our hydrographic vessels that accompanied the AUG.
  • vodolaz
    vodolaz 9 October 2015 09: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: SibRUS
    And somewhere, we thought about the technology of counteraction! laughing

    You made my day)))))))))
    PS. And the article is interesting, I read about these missiles, but there are more dry numbers.
  • podpolkovnik
    podpolkovnik 9 October 2015 09: 19 New
    10
    Quote: SibRUS
    And somewhere, we thought about the technology of counteraction! laughing
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 9 October 2015 09: 30 New
    +7
    26 meters? M-d-ah! This is not a couple of my country fence! I envy! belay recourse request
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 9 October 2015 09: 43 New
    +4
    Quote: SibRUS
    And somewhere, we thought about the technology of counteraction!

    ...Well laughing wassat fellow
    Finally, you need not increase the height of the wall by 1-10 meters, their KR will easily fly over (it also goes around obstacles).
    The mesh must be pulled ... and fishing nylon, and periodically change the height-move the mesh back and forth. Otherwise, the operators of combat PZ will introduce in advance the coordinates of the areas and the height of the obstacles.
  • Yuyuka
    Yuyuka 9 October 2015 09: 59 New
    10
    and if you put a "cyborg" on the wall, he will drive them back with a stick and the end of Russia! wassat
    1. Berthan
      Berthan 9 October 2015 19: 11 New
      +1
      And if you put the "cyborg" on a stilt of the appropriate height, you can do without a wall. Well, it's better to equip him with a racket - for VERY big tennis.
  • Good me
    Good me 9 October 2015 11: 19 New
    -1
    Such are the things. The number of views of the video from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is steadily growing. And this confirms the resonance in the world caused by the actions of our military in Syria.

    In this regard, I want to ask the forum users a question, what is the record for viewing in YouTube? Are we far from him?
    1. Nishtiag
      Nishtiag 9 October 2015 15: 11 New
      0
      I won’t tell you the exact record, you can probably find it on the Internet, but the gangnam style clip gained a billion views (the world's first recorded case of overcoming this mark). I do not think that the Caliber has a chance against Popsy))))
  • Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 9 October 2015 11: 58 New
    +1
    Better yet, pull the net-chain net, it will be cheaper :-)))))
  • EGOrkka
    EGOrkka 9 October 2015 12: 05 New
    0
    .... if he didn’t hold on to the picks, but thought with his head ....... laughing
  • gjv
    gjv 9 October 2015 12: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: SibRUS
    And somewhere, we thought about the technology of counteraction!

    The flight altitude at the surface of the earth is 50 - 150 m. Build, builders. fellow
  • gjv
    gjv 9 October 2015 12: 11 New
    0
    Quote: SibRUS
    And somewhere, we thought about the technology of counteraction!

    The flight altitude at the surface of the earth is 50 - 150 m. Build, builders. fellow
  • opus
    opus 9 October 2015 13: 04 New
    +8
    Quote: SibRUS
    And somewhere, we thought about the technology of counteraction!


    what is there to think about?
    Flight altitude above land 50-150m (20 m above water).
    On the fence at 150m BROKE ...


    What's the point? obstacle envelope mode ..
    Better Pray:

    1. Nishtiag
      Nishtiag 9 October 2015 15: 12 New
      0
      And the Black Sea is not closer, is not it easier?)) I am generally against such trajectories for military missiles, but for pro forma ...
      1. opus
        opus 9 October 2015 16: 25 New
        0
        Quote: NishTiaG
        And the Black Sea is not closer, is not it easier?))

        and in the Black Sea there are carriers of such missiles? Surface?
        From the Black Sea to Syria it would be closer ....
    2. Starik72
      Starik72 9 October 2015 15: 19 New
      +4
      Those that pray in the picture are worse than ISIS! ISIS mercenaries from all over the world are ruining the people of Syria and Iraq, and these that are praying in the picture are OWN and they are ruining YOUR people!
      1. opus
        opus 9 October 2015 16: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Starik72
        Those that pray in the picture are worse than ISIS!

        And the Ukazin press calls ISIS rebels, and the forces of Assad and the Russian Armed Forces are punitive





        =====================================
        here is such a "joke"
        Threat, of course worse.
        They are even worse than Dr. Goebels (well, he didn’t lie, that's for sure)
        1. Gsxr1300rr
          Gsxr1300rr 9 October 2015 17: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: opus

          And the Ukazin press calls ISIS rebels, and Assad’s forces ...

          Well this is an even less headline. There it is:
          - "In Kiev, a Stalinist taxi driver tried to strangle a journalist"
        2. Falcon
          Falcon 9 October 2015 21: 38 New
          -1
          Quote: opus
          And the Ukazin press calls ISIS rebels, and the forces of Assad and the Russian Armed Forces are punitive


          This is sophistry ... Neither does it color us. Our state media are also many as they call ...
    3. kpd
      kpd 9 October 2015 15: 58 New
      +2
      Why so far?
      Such ships already exist in the Black Sea.
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/67076/
      1. opus
        opus 9 October 2015 16: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: kpd
        Such ships already exist in the Black Sea.

        no

        RTO "Green Dol"
        IRA "Serpukhov"
        Project 21631, although they have 3R-14UKSK for 8 anti-ship missiles "Caliber" or "Onyx".
        and can (ZS-14UKE1) bullet 3M-14 / 3M-14T (these have a length of 2,7 m more)
        but:
        while running trials
        -ZM14 they are still not naturally loaded
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 9 October 2015 16: 54 New
          +2
          and the Turks (NATO) will not allow the passage through their territory
          1. opus
            opus 9 October 2015 17: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Tlauicol
            and the Turks (NATO) will not allow the passage through their territory

            Then you need to go through the Bosphorus and calmly, with all your heart, a bullet from the Mediterranean Sea, without disturbing anyone or asking anyone.
            But while the ZM-14 for a ground strike is only in the Caspian
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 9 October 2015 17: 32 New
              0
              and as many as 4 (four) in Novorossiysk on the DPS :))
  • kuz363
    kuz363 9 October 2015 14: 40 New
    0
    So the rocket flies according to the program, where you can bring this wall with its height and the rocket will go around it
  • Buffalo
    Buffalo 9 October 2015 22: 21 New
    +1
    The Kiev authorities wet their pants after watching the launches of these "toys", and along with your owners, in Washington.
    It remains to add that all types of Kalibr cruise missiles are manufactured by the NOVATOR OKB, Yekaterinburg.
    http://warfiles.ru/show-97199-uspeh-uralskoy-oboronki-rossiya-pokazala-chto-sozd
    ala-raketu-luchshe-chem-tomagavk.html
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 9 October 2015 09: 36 New
    +8
    Quote: Igor39
    When in Russia it smells of gunpowder

    As for the "improvements" of the Klabs, I always wrote that the big-headed and handy Chinese, North Koreans, Iranians - nothing will prevent "Klaba" (up to 280 km) from turning into a "dalneboy" - up to 3tkm
    Incl. container "Klaby" - here's to you and medium-range PGRK and BZHRK in a non-nuclear design !!!
    But these devices will be especially useful on distant shores - Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua. What do you think?
    After all, they did not sign the INF Treaty!

    In the event 3,14ndos withdraws from the INF Treaty, Iskander-K will also easily become long-range up to 3tkm ...
    1. opus
      opus 9 October 2015 11: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Rus2012
      "Klaby" (up to 280 km) to turn into "dalneboy" - up to 3tkm

      will not work:
      -tk tank is physically limited in terms of the volume of fuel components (Saddam's manipulations with Scud are an example of this, and Scuds are not calibers, another level
      -BIP, the resource is cut down, it is necessary to change the BIP, together with the bus
      - self-liquidator (it is necessary to change, put another), tied to the GOS, and in the GOS will have to dig
      -The flight program in ROM is hard-coded in the computer. Do you want to change the whole computer? Dig into the ROM?
      -Before start-up, the location and parameters of the target are set: In the digital computer, it is simply not necessary to enter a flight mission at such a range.
      -How and who will issue the TSU?
      For marine RCCs at such a range, China (not to mention the rest) does not have a satellite or aviation grouping.
      For the "ground" KR, I doubt that there are "electronic" radar maps of the area near North Korea and Iran.
      China probably has.

      *** The remote control resource certainly allows, but there is no sense in this "digging".
      It’s cheaper to make a new CD ourselves ... but here the MTCR comes into force (Iran’s example with nuclear weapons and sanctions)
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 9 October 2015 11: 36 New
        0
        Quote: opus
        -tk tank is physically limited in terms of the volume of fuel components (Saddam's manipulations with Scud are an example of this, and Scuds are not calibers, another level

        The main thing is that the length of the 40-foot container and the Iskander-K spacecraft make it possible to place an 8,1-meter 3M-14, the rest is surmountable!
        Electronics first.
        1. opus
          opus 9 October 2015 12: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: Rus2012
          the rest is surmountable!
          Electronics first.

          no. And not only electronics: servo valves, throttles, diffuser grilles, etc.


          Iraq could not "overcome", even at the 50-year-old Scud, who was not attracted to.

          And on Scud, everything is simple /
          No one will climb into a self-destructive vehicle; it is tied to a fuse.

          And Iran can not do anything with the phoenixes (he needs spare parts)

          Note: in the MTCR, it seems, UAVs have already been turned on, as there are models capable of delivering warheads to a range of more than 300 km.
      2. Nishtiag
        Nishtiag 9 October 2015 15: 15 New
        0
        That's the question, I see, you understand the topic much better than me. Buy an nth amount of these missiles, disassemble, study everything there, and make your own rocket by analogy. Is this option any easier than making such a rocket from scratch? Or am I wrong? This is the question))
        1. opus
          opus 9 October 2015 16: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: NishTiaG
          and make your rocket by analogy

          You also need to have a technological base to "do" by analogy.
          and it will be tantamount
          Quote: NishTiaG
          such a rocket from scratch

          + this is a violation of the MTCR

          and, what will a layer-by-layer ROM scan allow for a computer?


          How to translate all this in metal (in silicon)?

          or an exact cast of the turbojet blades with spectral analysis of the composition of the metal?
          How to do it?
  • Romanian
    Romanian 9 October 2015 20: 18 New
    -13
    If Russia itself did not crap in speed.
    1. Rader
      Rader 9 October 2015 22: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Romanian
      If Russia itself did not crap in speed.

      A friend once went to Western Europe, through Romania. And he saw, driving by car, how along the road plow the land with a plow "farmer" and he harnessed to this plow ... a cow ... It seems someone has already plowed ...? Or is it CE EUROPE ???
    2. sniper
      sniper 11 October 2015 14: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Romanian
      If Russia itself did not crap in speed.

      Do not wait! wassat And the feeble-minded, there is nothing to do on this site at all, go read "Murzilka". They don't like them here ... repeat
  • TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 9 October 2015 06: 15 New
    -4
    The admiration of the work of our MO. And the question is why, with a healthy mechanism, Serdyukov appeared in the ministry. Who is the enemy who stuck him there? Maybe the idea was to shake out everything non-core from the army?
    1. Nik_One
      Nik_One 9 October 2015 06: 22 New
      +3
      Alas, that was not the idea. There is one plausible version, but this is a sad story. And Vladimir Vladimirovich appointed him to the post.
    2. Azitral
      Azitral 9 October 2015 10: 00 New
      23
      Classics of the genre. It was Serdyukov and his team who carried out the reform in the army. They turned it into something capable of developing, and not only degrading and falling apart. It was he who turned the post-Soviet, essentially dead, army into the Russian one. The army that we inherited from the USSR and was developing throughout the 90s is no longer possible and, most importantly, there was no need to reform. Like a brucellosis herd: slaughter completely and start a new one in a new place. The one who was involved imagines the entire monstrous, indescribable size of the SA of the USSR and all its structures. From her, with minor exceptions, by 2000. there remained a rotting corpse of the corresponding size. This is not spitefulness: remember how VVP had to collect a not-so-large grouping for the "2nd Chechenskaya" from the pine forest. Those generals who remained by that time could neither break the system, nor, let alone change it, since they were part of it. It's like operating your stomach. And they lived very well. There were many of them, and they stole in such a way that no Serdyukov dreamed of. And they also betrayed (1st Chechen), were the largest slave owners in history, and, thus, monstrously discredited the army. Remember: she was despised, avoided, "mowed down" from her with all their might. And deservedly so! And then some "Taburetkin" comes along - and the sweet life ends! Questions to fill in: 1) how did 99% of the generals and colonels, who were sitting in grain and non-binding positions, reacted to this? 2) What good will they say about him? There will be whole rivers of mud, universal hatred, and all the media connected with the army will support the lie, because the editorial offices there are still the same. I still don't understand how he was not killed at all. He performed a colossal, impossible amount of work in the shortest possible time, and quite secretly, managed not to alert our "friends" from the Potomac. Do you still believe that Putin is stupider than you (or me) and worse at understanding people? It's naive and a little embarrassing. He did the dirtiest work of a gigantic volume, not inferior in scale to 37, and, as ALWAYS happens in such cases, he was dumped in the mud. He knew what he was doing, and he knew. what is being dumped. And they didn't let me gobble it up. Shoigu (I respect) in this case still came to the ready-made. And his tasks are completely different, not to do it, but to use it effectively. Leave emotions, remember, count, estimate the terms.
      1. GDP
        GDP 9 October 2015 10: 24 New
        10
        Probably Serdyukov did a lot, it is likely that the generals poured mud on him, it is likely that he stopped corruption in many ways, but at the same time he created a new one, albeit on a smaller scale.
        It’s just that if everyone stole before him, then only groups of those elected with him at the head began to steal with him, maybe it was beneficial for the army, but as he was a thief, he remained so ...
        1. Azitral
          Azitral 9 October 2015 11: 05 New
          +2
          I do not say that he is without sin. And there were mistakes, inevitable in cases of such magnitude, and, probably, theft (by the way - no one proved, despite the unprecedented pressure!). It's about the relationship between the case - and theft (if it was). Even if he stole, then at least MADE. And the rest only stole, and even did nothing, and crap. And he only remembers theft. And: even if he stole, then this is life. Peter knew that Menshikov was a thief, but he thought it better to not touch. Catherine knew that Potemkin was a thief - and chose to look through her fingers. And Tupolev was a thief. A statesman, unfortunately, must be a pragmatist and be able to close his eyes. By the way, - Serdyukov is not my relative.
          1. Ladoga
            Ladoga 10 October 2015 22: 39 New
            -1
            ,, And Tupolev was a thief. ,,

            When you torment Claudia, turn on your cerebellum.
      2. Good me
        Good me 9 October 2015 11: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Azitral
        Classics of the genre. It was Serdyukov and his team who carried out the reform in the army.


        From all that has been written, it follows that Serdyukov, we should perceive as "Aleksashka" of Prince Menshikov, who:

        a) Served the Tsar and the Fatherland
        и
        b) stole godlessly ...
      3. ydjin
        ydjin 9 October 2015 13: 08 New
        +2
        Azithral, ​​I know that I know nothing! Thank you for your thought about the former Minister of Defense, perhaps you are right in something! Well, time will judge. Yours faithfully! hi
      4. T-73
        T-73 9 October 2015 14: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Azitral
        He did the gigantic dirty work

        You may be right. A man from the side, never a military man, and bach - Minister of Defense. It happens? Why all xs, why mixed Red shoe, pajamas, contracts, diamonds, clips, courts and repairs at the bases on the Volga, it seems? After all, there is more dust than essence. But how secretly the removal of a number of generals took place, and far from Murmansk. With teams. We can operate on what we hear, but it’s interesting, after all, what do those who KNOW of the deal do? Did the Moor do his thing?
        PS. And after all, the GDP said - we are not 37 years old. So the methods are different. I would like to know the goal in the 37th, so ...
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 October 2015 10: 21 New
      12
      Quote: TVM - 75
      The admiration of the work of our MO. And the question is why, with a healthy mechanism, Serdyukov appeared in the ministry. Who is the enemy who stuck him there?

      For reference: 3 out of 4 ships that struck the CD were laid down at the "furniture maker". It was under him that the decision was made to strengthen the Caspian flotilla with these "pocket frigates".
      MRK "Grad Sviyazhsk". Laid down on 27.08.2010
      MRK "Uglich". Laid down on 22.07.2011.
      RTO "Veliky Ustyug". Laid down on 27.08.2011
    4. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 9 October 2015 10: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: TBM - 75
      The admiration of the work of our MO. And the question is why, with a healthy mechanism, Serdyukov appeared in the ministry. Who is the enemy who stuck him there? Maybe the idea was to shake out everything non-core from the army?


      Hmhhhhhhhh! Why are you screaming so much. Everyone has long known that this was a special operation to turn the Soviet army into Russian.
  • Nik_One
    Nik_One 9 October 2015 06: 15 New
    16
    A beautiful sight turned out. Firstly, shows the world the capabilities of our cruise missiles, and what they are. Secondly, they carried out excellent combat firing, trained, and at the same time started fussing for some. And thirdly, a wonderful fireworks for the birthday of our President laughing
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 October 2015 09: 21 New
      +9
      Quote: Nik_One
      Firstly, shows the world the capabilities of our cruise missiles, and what they are.

      The most important point in launching and demonstrating the Caliber and their range is that the Americans, who firmly believed in the power of their fleet and 11 AUGs, are now beginning to understand the vulnerability of the fleet and its territory in general.
      The US conviction that in the non-nuclear confrontation, no one in the world has anything that can be opposed by the AUG, tamahawks and drones is so rooted in the heads of the US military and politicians for two decades that they used the same fleet as a political lever of influence. Russia has shown that even on a simple barge we can put a Caliber and this pelvis will automatically turn into a weapon of strategic order. I generally am silent about containers with KLAB-K.
      In addition, the range of the Caliber is unknown. There is information that it hits 4 km, and if so, Russia can shell the US, sending missiles deep into their country.
      1. Kaluzhanin
        Kaluzhanin 9 October 2015 12: 03 New
        +2
        If my memory serves me, at the beginning of the Syrian crisis, America and Comrades launched 3 missiles into Syria, but those missiles did not reach their target, since were shot down. So now our missiles have reached their target and no one has stopped them. Please correct me if my memory fails me.
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 9 October 2015 16: 02 New
          0
          Correct - not 3, but 4.
      2. Nishtiag
        Nishtiag 9 October 2015 15: 22 New
        +2
        You have a lot of mistakes.

        They have 10 AUGs (the Enterprise has been decommissioned and Ford has not yet been accepted, it’s not a fact that when they take over the Ford fleet in a few years, they will not write off Nimitz).

        Gauges do not threaten the fleet. At least the modification that hit ISIS. Even if we have subsonic anti-ship missiles in service with 1500-2600 range or even let 4000 km, it does not threaten the AUG at all, since 100% will be shot down. Really scary RCCs fly 3 Mach and not more than 300-400 km.

        And MRK project 21631 is not a pelvis. And especially the RK of the 11661 project. It’s even a shame to hear me, although I have nothing to do with the fleet, except for my own curiosity and sea sickness.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 9 October 2015 16: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: NishTiaG
          They have 10 AUGs (the Enterprise has been decommissioned and Ford has not yet been accepted, it’s not a fact that when they take over the Ford fleet in a few years, they will not write off Nimitz).

          11 AUG and two aircraft carriers “John F. Kennedy” and ENTERPRISE are being built at the shipyards.
          Quote: NishTiaG
          Gauges do not threaten the fleet. At least the modification that hit ISIS

          But is it possible that the CALIBER-NK complex can use a fairly large assortment of missiles?
          Quote: NishTiaG
          Even if we have subsonic anti-ship missiles in service with a range of 1500-2600 or even let them fly 4000 km, it does not threaten the AUG at all, since 100% will be shot down

          Why this statement?
          Caliber-NK will be deployed both on submarines (already installed), and on nuclear submarines, and on surface ships of both large displacement and small (like Buyan). And I want to see how the AUG tries to shoot down a swarm of missiles with a number of say 100 missiles. Despite the fact that the rocket at the final stretch of the path accelerates to supersonic and flies at an extremely low altitude.
          Quote: NishTiaG
          And MRK project 21631 is not a pelvis. And especially the RK project 11661.

          If you carefully read my post, then I talked about a simple barge, on which it is quite possible to install CALIBER-NK hi It was the barge that I called the pelvis. Read carefully the posts.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 9 October 2015 23: 08 New
            +5
            Quote: NEXUS
            Caliber-NK will be placed both on the submarine (already put) and on the submarine,
            Dear Nexus. The submarines are Caliber-PL (Club-S). They shoot from the TA and are located in the container (capsule) and are designed to destroy surface, underwater and ground targets.
            The mastering of "Caliber" by submariners began with the newest submarine K-560 "Severodvinsk" pr.885 "Ash" developed by SPMBM "Malakhit" and the construction of Sevmash. In 2013-2014. from the side of this nuclear submarine several firing of the "Caliber-PL" missile was carried out from the surface and underwater positions. It can carry up to 32 of these missiles. They will be equipped with 6 more Yasen-class submarines.
            Now the Zvezda and Zvyozdochka are undergoing modernization of the third-generation submarines, pr. 949AM and 971M, including the Bratsk, which in 1984 was successfully fired by the Grenades for two targets. They will receive the Caliber-PL complex. So SSGN pr. 949AM, will carry 72 Caliber-PL and Onyx cruise missiles.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 9 October 2015 23: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Dear Nexus. The submarines are Caliber-PL (Club-S).

              Thank you for correcting, dear KAA Boa constrictor (sorry I do not know your name). You are right, on the Caliber-PL submarine. hi
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              It can carry up to 32 of these missiles. They will be equipped with another 6 Yasen-class submarines.

              All the same, they decided not to build the 8th MAPL Ash-M? Apparently they are seriously thinking about switching to the 5th generation in the near future.
              But there is such an idea that not Caliber-PL will be put on the seventh Ash, but something new and more long-range.
              Best regards hi
  • mik667
    mik667 9 October 2015 06: 22 New
    +7
    V.V.P. I have long said that we will wet the terrorists in the toilet. Someone forgot?
    1. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 9 October 2015 11: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: mik667
      we will wet terrorists in the toilet


      A little earlier. From the series about "Kuz'kina's mother".

      "And why are they all farts and farts there? Farts and farts.
      They will fart. We will fart them so that they will forget how to fart ... "
      (N.S. Khrushchev.) laughing
      NO COMMENTS!
  • Veter
    Veter 9 October 2015 06: 22 New
    +2
    Yeah, ours only have time to pour surprises on adversaries, or else there will be.

    Py.Sy. Why do ships paint sides in different colors?
    1. Constructor1
      Constructor1 9 October 2015 06: 34 New
      +3
      I don’t know whether it’s good or not that our operation in Syria has begun - time will tell, but what I like is that Westerners do not have time to react to Russia's actions.
      All they can do now is just bark ..
    2. pilot8878
      pilot8878 9 October 2015 09: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Veter
      Why do ships paint sides in different colors?

      Camouflage, distorting the perception of the silhouette, and, accordingly, making it difficult to determine the type of ship and its range.
      1. Peterhof 73
        Peterhof 73 9 October 2015 10: 35 New
        0
        Quote: pilot8878
        Quote: Veter
        Why do ships paint sides in different colors?

        Camouflage, distorting the perception of the silhouette, and, accordingly, making it difficult to determine the type of ship and its range.

        In my cruise missile, this camouflage is poof.
      2. Good me
        Good me 9 October 2015 12: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: pilot8878
        Camouflage, distorting the perception of the silhouette, and, accordingly, making it difficult to determine the type of ship and its range.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 October 2015 10: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: Veter
      Py.Sy. Why do ships paint sides in different colors?

      An old tradition with a rational explanation: on RTOs and RCAs, diesel exhaust was pulled out in the middle and aft part slightly below the waterline:

      Accordingly, exhaust fumes got on board.

      Therefore, in order not to engage in constant washing and repainting of the body, the standard paint scheme was adopted: gray nose, black feed.
      1. jjj
        jjj 9 October 2015 12: 18 New
        0
        If you notice, then the border between black and ball coloring occurs immediately below the missile containers. So when the rocket starts, the paint on the back usually burns out. On a black background, this is not so noticeable. But the add-ons have to be repainted. Routine
    4. Retvizan 8
      Retvizan 8 9 October 2015 12: 38 New
      0
      So the part of the case behind the launcher is painted black. It makes no sense to paint in gray, it burns out at rocket launch.
    5. Bayonet
      Bayonet 9 October 2015 12: 46 New
      10
      Quote: Veter
      Why do ships paint sides in different colors?

      There was such a joke as gypsies painted a ship.
      The company announces a tender for painting the ship, there is a tender, everyone revolves around the same price, suddenly gypsies appear at the auction and discounts the price exactly 2 times. All the participants and the customer are perplexed - like this, everyone played with minimal profit anyway. But there is nothing to do, they conclude a contract, an agreement is signed, work is in full swing.
      Acceptance time comes, the commission arrives - everything is fine, of high quality, but the ship is painted only on the left side. The customer asks - why only on the left? Gypsies answer that everything is according to the contract. They ask to bring a contract and read out: The contractor on the one hand, and the contractor on the other, agrees ... smile
  • parusnik
    parusnik 9 October 2015 06: 24 New
    +4
    Information on the Caliber missile system may be a signal for "foreign partners"
    Steel... smile The Caspian flotilla is not armed with the same missiles, but the Baltic, Black Sea Fleet .. the web is full of headers .. NATO is in shock ..
    1. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 9 October 2015 13: 58 New
      +1
      Here is the coverage map "Caliber" to help. This is for the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea Fleet only.
  • ssn18
    ssn18 9 October 2015 06: 26 New
    +1
    "It is possible that the Calibers will not be the last surprise from the Russian Defense Ministry."

    God grant that. A very interesting thing "Klub", but the name itself is a little confusing.
    1. Nik_One
      Nik_One 9 October 2015 06: 34 New
      +4
      Actually "Club" is an export version of "Caliber".
  • corporal
    corporal 9 October 2015 06: 38 New
    +7
    Found for review, so to speak ....
  • Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 9 October 2015 06: 43 New
    -32
    The massive missile strike of 7 on October pursued not only purely military, but also political goals. During one operation, it was possible to destroy more than a dozen enemy targets, and also demonstrate the military power of the fleet.

    is it "massed"
    The allied forces, delivering the first blow, consisted of an echelon of air defense breakthrough (40 Sea-Based Cruise Missiles, 200 combat aircraft) and two strike echelons (60 SLCM, 492 aircraft). First, under the cover of radio interference, missiles were launched from the Los Angeles nuclear submarines, cruisers and battleships based in the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean and the Red Sea.
    - Desert Storm, 1991 year



    Yugoslavia, 1999 - 700 Tomahawks produced
    Iraq, 2003 - 2000 Tomahawks released
    Libya, 2011 - the Florida submarine fired 93 Tomahawks overnight

    SLCM "Tomahawk", put into service in 1983. A battle-tested missile, superior in performance to the "Caliber"
    1. Nik_One
      Nik_One 9 October 2015 06: 45 New
      12
      More in detail please. Who is superior to whom and on what head?
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 9 October 2015 07: 01 New
        -36
        Quote: Nik_One
        Who is superior to whom and on what head?

        Caliber is an analogue of the Ax, which was adopted for 20 years before Caliber

        the ammunition fantastic for its time is a long-range cruise tactical missile capable of flying with envelope relief (TERCOM relief system).

        Dozens of modifications (including the anti-ship version BGM-109B TASM), numerous variants of warheads (high-explosive / cluster / SBS) and attack algorithms (from a dive, when flying over a target, a horizontal strike into a selected structure). It has surface / underwater / ground and air bases. "Caliber" never dreamed of this

        a proven killer, the hero of a dozen conflicts BGM-109 TOMAHAWK surpasses Caliber in the most important char-cam.
        For example, "Caliber" is much more bulky, and its weight is almost a whole ton more.
        I'm not talking about attack algorithms and guidance tools anymore. Modern Axes (Block IV) learned to barrage over the battlefield in anticipation of the enemy and even attack moving targets.
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        2. tracker
          tracker 9 October 2015 07: 44 New
          10
          even in Iraq they were shot down by conventional MANPADS from pre-prepared positions, a lot did not reach due to malfunctions
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 9 October 2015 10: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: Pathfinder
            very many did not reach due to malfunctions

            ... due to third-party "impact" (EW, ZU23-2, Shilka23-4 ... the grid on the "missile-hazardous directions") - above 300KR "fell", over 10% of launched, all this in Iraq 2003
        3. Sensatus
          Sensatus 9 October 2015 08: 08 New
          21
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          "Caliber" never dreamed of this

          And please share valuable information about where you will find out what the missile system dreams about, whose characteristics are classified and only assumptions are published in open sources?
        4. NKVD
          NKVD 9 October 2015 08: 36 New
          0
          Axes (Block IV) learned to barrage over the battlefield in anticipation of the enemy and even attack moving targets.
          A source of information?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 9 October 2015 12: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: NKVD
            A source of information?

            NKVD smile "Source of information? Look in the eyes !!!" angry
            http://bmpd.livejournal.com/55391.html
            http://history-news.org/?p=13459
        5. LVMI1980
          LVMI1980 9 October 2015 09: 16 New
          +1
          The first axes had a range of less than 1000 (I don’t remember exactly)
        6. umah
          umah 9 October 2015 09: 19 New
          18
          For example, "Caliber" is much more bulky, and its weight is almost a whole ton more.

          Do not confuse sour with soft. The caliber, like the Ax, is designed in the form factor for a torpedo tube. Due to the fact that our torpedo tubes are longer, the Caliber can deliver a heavier warhead at the same distance. Hence the difference in weight, and not at all from the backwardness of our technologies.
          It has surface / underwater / ground and air bases. "Caliber" never dreamed of this

          I copy the text directly from the article: There are four options for this system. "Caliber-NK" is intended for installation on surface ships, "Caliber-PL" is proposed for submarines, "Caliber-A" is designed for use by aircraft, and "Caliber-M" is a mobile land complex
          1. Serggii
            Serggii 9 October 2015 20: 46 New
            +1
            Caliber M is Iskander M
        7. Rus2012
          Rus2012 9 October 2015 09: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          . anti-ship version BGM-109B TASM

          please pliz characteristics (range) RCC BGM-109B TASM.
          I’m not very sure that the algorithm is not even close to that of Soviet Granite, especially TTX.
          1. Denis_469
            Denis_469 9 October 2015 16: 07 New
            0
            There are no such missiles already. Anti-ship in the sense. They were all written off and the corps were altered to be conventional for strikes against ground targets.
        8. xtur
          xtur 9 October 2015 10: 39 New
          +7
          > For example, "Caliber" is much more bulky, and its weight is almost a whole ton more

          from this follows the obvious conclusion that the range of the "Caliber" is several times greater than 1500 km.

          Threat. Any difference can be interpreted on the basis of various assumptions, I interpret on the basis of the obvious assumption that the Russian Kyrgyz Republic cannot be worse than the American counterpart. And since we have the same level of access to secret data, our points of view are at least equal
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 9 October 2015 11: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: xtur
            from this follows the obvious conclusion that the range of the "Caliber" is several times greater than 1500 km.

            it has been established from closed sources that 3000km is the standard for hummingbird (for the RF Ministry of Defense) ... but there are already modifications up to 3500km .... the test was successful ....
            1. xtur
              xtur 9 October 2015 12: 43 New
              +1
              Thanks for the info, I'm glad my assumption was realistic :-)
          2. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 9 October 2015 15: 53 New
            0
            Quote: xtur
            from this follows the obvious conclusion that the range of the "Caliber" is several times greater than 1500 km.


            "At times" is several times. B 3,4,5, etc. The range is TWO times longer, that is, 3000, this is not "AT THE TIMES" wink
        9. Peterhof 73
          Peterhof 73 9 October 2015 10: 43 New
          +2
          Listen, well, how do you know what "Caliber" dreamed about and what didn't. After all, they made it clear: the data on the capabilities of the "Caliber" are classified. As in the cards, they showed the edge of the card, they say you see a trump card, but I won't show which one. You will see it in due time.
          I think that the amers now sweat a lot.
        10. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 9 October 2015 10: 50 New
          +7
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          The caliber is an analogue of the Ax, which was adopted 20 years before the Caliber

          Rather, the "Caliber" is a development of the S-10 and X-55, adopted by the Soviet Union.
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Dozens of modifications (including anti-ship version BGM-109B TASM)
          ... removed from service in the 90s due to technical problems (the Yankees first stuck a seeker from a "harpoon" on a long-range anti-ship missile system, and then began to doubt whether this seeker could recognize the desired target at long distances). smile
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          a proven killer, the hero of a dozen conflicts BGM-109 TOMAHAWK surpasses Caliber in the most important char-cam.
          For example, "Caliber" is much more bulky, and its weight is almost a whole ton more.

          Yes, yes, yes ... if we compare the heaviest anti-ship version of the "caliber" with the "tomahawk" without a starting booster. smile
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        12. stone
          stone 9 October 2015 13: 55 New
          0
          Do not spoil people holiday laughing Why immediately so, we must prepare, from far away to begin wassat
        13. Nishtiag
          Nishtiag 9 October 2015 16: 27 New
          +3
          Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. Either you have information that is not publicly available or you invented it all. Mass Block 4 - 1,5t; weight 3M-14E 1,77t (not an export version, I don’t know how much it weighs, but absolutely exactly + - the same amount). The difference is due to the different payload mass: 340 kg for the tomahawk and 450 kg for the caliber (33% of the difference; 110 kg of 270 kg for the payload !!!) Caliber range is not announced. It can only be argued that 1500 km is within her power. Indirectly, it can be assumed that NK - 2600 km, submarine - 1500 km. She either has airbase either in development.

          TOMAHAWN DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING BASING AND WILL NOT BE UNDER THE 1987 CONTRACT OF THE YEAR (griffins were withdrawn from service) !!! This is, by the way.

          I heard about the barrage, I don’t know if I’ve finished it ... I don’t know if the caliber has it ... And no one knows.

          Our algorithms are able to write better than anyone else, remember the missile defense system of Moscow, remember C-300. The innovator belongs to Almaz-Antey.

          It is foolish to say that the tomahawk is better or the caliber is better. We don't know anything about caliber!

          The only thing that can really be argued is the fact that the Americans have much more application practice and that with us it also began to appear. We are unlikely to get ahead of them in the number of such missiles in the next decade, because our fleet is primarily DEFENSE (after strategic boats, which, in essence, also play a defensive role by their very existence)
        14. NEXUS
          NEXUS 9 October 2015 16: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          It has surface / underwater / ground and air based.

          Name at least one terrestrial complex with Tomahawks.
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          For example, "Caliber" is much more bulky, and its weight is almost a whole ton more.

          Dear, on which ships are the Tomahawks placed? I'm talking about the displacement of these ships.
          Caliber-NK is put on Buyany-M with a displacement of 950 tons. And Western experts compared these ships in terms of firepower to Arly Burke.Corvette coastal zone equated with the destroyer!Now let's talk about the price of these complexes and the ships on which they are placed.
          About the version in a simple 13 meter container so far modestly keep silent.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 9 October 2015 17: 12 New
            -2
            How can one equate 8 UVP cells to 122 on a ship of US NEVI? + a pair of helicopters, Aegis, PLUR, torpedoes, short-range, medium and long-range missiles, two powerful guns, unlimited seaworthiness, etc. etc ... 4 media versus 90? This is if we talk about surface.
            Or a 4-gauge DPL + 1 Ash with 32 cells versus 154 missiles on one US nuclear submarine?
            Ground Caliber should not exceed 500 km, by the way - violation of the START! About air-based, too, some talk, instead of Caliber X555 use
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 9 October 2015 17: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Tlauicol
              How can one equate 8 UVP cells to 122 on a ship of US NEVI? + a pair of helicopters, Aegis, PLUR, torpedoes, short-range, medium and long-range missiles, two powerful guns, unlimited seaworthiness, etc. etc ... 4 media versus 90?

              That is why they are equated because the Caliber-NK complex made Buyany-M ships of the STRATEGIC group, which was previously done only with respect to ships of the ocean zone, but not coastal. The classes of ships are different, this is indisputable. I'm not talking about the power of Arly Berkov in comparison Buyanov-M, but about the STRATEGIC possibilities, in the presence of the Caliber-NK on our ships.
        15. Serggii
          Serggii 9 October 2015 20: 42 New
          +2
          The caliber is an improved relief complex and was tested in 1987 and destroyed by a hunchback, and only a few countries in the world have complete digital maps of the world and Russia as well. The systems of both are approximately equivalent
        16. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 9 October 2015 21: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          surpasses Caliber in the most important characteristics. For example, "Caliber" is much more bulky, and its weight is almost a whole ton more

          Well, you lie, lie, but have a conscience))))))
          Want to say tomahawk weighs half a ton))) Comedian))))
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    3. Mera joota
      Mera joota 9 October 2015 07: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      is it "massed"

      Oleg, in theory, it was not required that much, because there are no such goals for which the Caliber should be launched. It's for the sake of a picture and "for a birthday" in order to amuse ChSV, it turned out not bad, the patriots are delighted. But for the military (I hope so) the opportunity to test it in real combat conditions.
    4. tracker
      tracker 9 October 2015 07: 39 New
      15
      In mass quantities, missiles were launched in the first 3 days of the war. More than 39% of Tomahawks went to goals in the first 24 hours, 62% in 48 hours, more than 73% in 72 hours. And not a single rocket was launched after February 1. On that day, the launches of the last 6 missiles “one by one” took place, all of them at the Rasheed airfield. They reached the Baghdad area around 11 am, were shelled, and only 2 of them reached their targets. After that, General Schwarzkopf ** (** Commander of the coalition forces during the Gulf War.) Did not authorize any more launches. The main reasons for his decision were: 1) the negative reaction of television to daytime strikes in the center of Baghdad and 2) the high cost of the missiles, combined with their very weak warheads ... Post-war analysis showed that many missiles definitely did not achieve their goals or reached them only presumably . Others reached the target area, but exploded
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 9 October 2015 07: 51 New
        -21
        Quote: Pathfinder
        In massive quantities, missiles were launched on the first 3 days of the war.

        And there was it 25 years ago
        Winter night 1991 of the year
        1. tracker
          tracker 9 October 2015 07: 56 New
          10
          nothing in the characteristics has changed, except that the reprogramming of the moving target is also low, the speed is 1300, the reliability is most likely the same, in short, the armor will crumble them into cabbage, even TORAM will not
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 9 October 2015 08: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Pathfinder
            low speed

            does Caliber have more?
            1. vadson
              vadson 9 October 2015 08: 38 New
              +7
              Oleg Have you actually read the article? Your opus is more and more surprising - the ax is land, the sky is water, and from under it - the duck and caliber are the same, the export gauge, when approaching the target, switches from Marching subsonic speed to super sound and, if possible (from relief to a height of 10 meters) to overcome air defense . Stop blaming domestic weapons
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 9 October 2015 08: 53 New
                -9
                Quote: vadson
                when approaching the target, it switches from Marching subsonic speed to super sound

                Only anti-ship modification ZM-54

                estimate how much 200 kg warhead weighs, the correction system + booster accelerator that accelerates all this to 3M. Therefore, the ZM-54 has a range of 300-400 km

                The usual tactical SLCM is subsonic in all flight modes. Otherwise, how to fly 1500 km?
                1. jjj
                  jjj 9 October 2015 12: 35 New
                  +2
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  And it was 25 years ago
                  Winter night 1991 of the year


                  IN MARCH 1995, a delegation from India, headed by the adviser to the Ambassador of this country in Russia, Mr. Mitra, arrived at Zvezdochka. Return visits to India by the leaders and leading specialists of our shipyard followed. Zvezdochka entered the fray for the first Indian order. The tender was attended by ship repair and shipbuilding plants of St. Petersburg and Nizhny Novgorod, Murmansk and Sevastopol. Zvezdochka won: in January 1997, the plant and the state company Rosvooruzhenie signed a set of contracts for the repair of a diesel-electric submarine Sinduvir of project 877 EKM Varshavyanka. During the repair, the boat was armed with the Club-S complex. This is the export version of the Caliber. So in 1995 there was already a practical opportunity to sell such missiles for export.
            2. tracker
              tracker 9 October 2015 09: 27 New
              0
              same plus - minus
            3. Peterhof 73
              Peterhof 73 9 October 2015 10: 48 New
              0
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Quote: Pathfinder
              low speed

              does Caliber have more?


              More. "Caliber" has the ability to switch to supersonic at the finish line. Of course, the range of its use is reduced.
          2. Peterhof 73
            Peterhof 73 9 October 2015 10: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Pathfinder
            nothing in the characteristics has changed, except that the reprogramming of the moving target is also low, the speed is 1300, the reliability is most likely the same, in short, the armor will crumble them into cabbage, even TORAM will not


            And for some reason it seems to me that even the "Tunguska" will do a great job.
          3. Bayonet
            Bayonet 9 October 2015 13: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Pathfinder
            The shells will crush them in cabbage, even TORAM will not remain

            If they know where and when they will fly by - easily!
        2. Denis_469
          Denis_469 9 October 2015 16: 09 New
          0
          And how many rockets were fired after February 1 in that war? Exactly 0. And why? Probably because they were not as good as expected. If there were normal specialists in the USSR who were able not to breed panic, but think with their heads, then the refutation of the quality of the Tomahawks would have been made even then. And who knows how history would turn ....
    5. tracker
      tracker 9 October 2015 07: 40 New
      +6
      approximately 130-140 missiles did not reach their intended targets. And even if in several cases the cause of this was technical malfunction, then most of the Tomahawks were shot down by Iraqi air defense.
    6. ssn18
      ssn18 9 October 2015 08: 24 New
      +9
      "is it really" massive ""

      Yes, we just have different tasks.
      At the SGA - to maximize the use of ammunition, not really choosing a target and get loot for making a new one.
      In the Russian Federation - to destroy the maximum number of bearded inadequate, without loss of civilian population at minimal cost.
      Something like this.
      I did not set cons.
    7. Vladimir Petrov
      Vladimir Petrov 9 October 2015 09: 01 New
      +3
      The United States shoots its Tamogawks right and left only because their armed forces are the main security of the dollar ... Not Arab oil, not the US economy (Americans are parasites and are living off all of humanity), but the armed forces. A force will appear in the world that can resist the US armed forces, and the dollar will turn into candy wrappers ...

      By the way, more than 4 million people watched the video "Massive strike with precision weapons on ISIS targets in Syria from the Caspian Sea" in two days ...
    8. LVMI1980
      LVMI1980 9 October 2015 09: 15 New
      +4
      They had to write off the old tamahawks wink
    9. Rus2012
      Rus2012 9 October 2015 09: 52 New
      +9
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      A battle-tested missile, superior in performance to the "Caliber"

      Where and in what is the Caliber 3M-14 superior? :)
      1. opus
        opus 9 October 2015 13: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Rus2012

        Where and in what is the Caliber 3M-14 superior? :)

        1. OESK based on digital maps of the area AN / DXQ-4 (DSMAC IV)
        Digital Scene-Mapping Area Correlator (DSMAC)

        about the same as that on the MGM-31 Pershing II
        KVO 5 -10 m


        We do not yet, maybe they will supply an analog from Temp-SM and OTR-23 Oka

        We have ARGS-54
        2.INS on VOG, we have on KLG (and then "strangers"
        3.Double sided satellite communication (VHF) with a carrier (flight task correction)

        PS: Compare Tomahawk with Caliber .... indicator of technical illiteracy
        Caliber must be compared with Harpoon
        Tomahawk with S-10 "Pomegranate", X-55, X-101
    10. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 9 October 2015 10: 38 New
      0
      The American dog used to be the only one who could "TomaHawk".

      And ours will "calibrate" it now.
      1. ussr1960
        ussr1960 9 October 2015 16: 40 New
        +3
        For all the disputes over the performance characteristics of the Caliber, they did not notice only one thing, however, like the staff, the missiles themselves. The US missile defense, it seems, did not work out either launching 26 pigs or flying over 1500 km. And for them now, the big bunt is not how many missiles hit and where, but how they leaked through their missile defense? If this is the case, then it turns out that the entire existing US missile defense system has just come to a technical end, with trillions of green thrown away. And at the same time, this is the triumph of Caliber - the ability, completely unnoticed, to fly 1500 km and deliver an unexpected blow to the target.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 9 October 2015 16: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: ussr1960
          The US missile defense, it seems, did not work out either launching 26 pigs or flying over 1500 km.

          They did not detect any launches or spans of calibers ... all this passed their missile defense.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 9 October 2015 17: 15 New
            +1
            Missile defense deployed in Iran and Syria? do not flatter yourself. Surely they noticed, like ours did their missile launches, but bring down and start a war? request because of a dozen bearded men?
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 9 October 2015 07: 00 New
    +9
    The type of missiles used has not yet been announced, but it can be assumed that these were the products of one of the 3M-54 or 3M-14 modifications.

    3M-14, only it can be used for ground targets and fly 1500 km., 3M-54 is an anti-ship missile and its range is 300 km. and the point here is not in the agreements on the distribution of tactical missiles, but because RCC uses ARLGS which occupies a much larger volume in the rocket than the correlation / GPS GOS (correspondingly lower fuel supply).
    The latest information on the Caliber missile system can be a signal for “foreign partners” and show them that Russia has a new high-precision weapon with the highest performance

    Well, then "Caliber" is actually made in the USSR and cannot be a discovery for anyone, it's just the first public application in so many years of operation.

    And the last thing. KB Novator in the 80s practically accomplished a feat by creating a CD in dimensions of 533mm. torpedo tube, here of course the merit of the military who established a rigid framework in terms of dimensions, which the design bureau adhered to and did not issue as the Chelomey design bureau a "flying carriage". And it doesn't matter whether they licked BGM-109 or not, for the USSR it was a real achievement.
    Well, for the fact that they, unlike the ICD Rainbow, did not pervert with a sliding turbojet engine a big respect. An excellent family of missiles, which in theory should become the main (at least for the fleet) sending Onyx to eternal rest ...
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 9 October 2015 07: 08 New
      -22
      Quote: Mera Joota
      but because RCC uses ARLGSN which occupies a much larger volume in the rocket than the correlation / GPS GOS (correspondingly lower fuel supply).

      lies

      ARGS-14 is designed for precise guidance of cruise missiles at ground targets on the final section of the flight path of the Club-N and Club-S missiles under countermeasures.
      Quote: Mera Joota
      KB Innovator in the 80's almost accomplished a feat by creating a CD in 533mm dimensions. torpedo tube

      Just a response to the appearance of the "Tomahawk"
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      2. Mera joota
        Mera joota 9 October 2015 07: 31 New
        +6
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        lies

        In dimensions 3M-14 flight for 1500 km. with ARLGSN is not possible. Only correlation with GLONASS (like 3M-10, there only GLONASS did not smell yet).

        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Just a response to the appearance of the "Tomahawk"

        Irrelevant. Compare with the Chelomei monsters under which special ships and nuclear submarines had to be made.
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 9 October 2015 07: 49 New
          -29
          Quote: Mera Joota
          In dimensions 3М-14 flight on 1500 km. with ARLGS impossible

          Wow, the Tomahawk flies, but here it’s impossible

          By the way, Tomahawk is a whole ton lighter
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 9 October 2015 08: 06 New
            -16
            Tomahawk with an optical recognition system flies at such ranges. But in general, you are right, just the Ax is a weapon that has no analogues in Russia. Caliber has not yet grown to 80s technology.
            But the raid was impudent, I personally did not expect such political courage
            1. Santa Fe
              Santa Fe 9 October 2015 08: 18 New
              -15
              Quote: Tlauicol
              Tomahawk with an optical recognition system flies at such ranges.

              And there he has everything

              And TERCOM (radar) and DSMAC (IR sensors). Now even GPS and a satellite channel for re-targeting the rocket have appeared. And even ARGSN on modifications BGM-109B and modern Block-4
              Quote: Tlauicol
              Caliber has not yet grown to 80x technology.

              judging by the mass dimensions, the number and type of media, as well as the flexibility of use, it’s absolutely not mature
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 9 October 2015 08: 25 New
                +2
                Well, the opponent above is hinting to you that with the ARGSN the Tomahawk loses its range at times (the same BGM-109B). although, maybe target designation is becoming a problem, not a fuel reserve request
                1. Santa Fe
                  Santa Fe 9 October 2015 08: 35 New
                  -14
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  the opponent above hints at you that with the ARGSN the Tomahawk loses range at times

                  the opponent above is mistaken
                  There was a GOS from Harpoon, does it weigh a lot?

                  Simply, the BGM-109B itself was 400 kg lighter than a conventional Ax. And equipped with the heaviest of the proposed warheads (450 kg landmine)

                  And the distance 6 anti-ship Caliber is cut off due to the presence of a detachable warhead, very bulky and heavy - 200 land mine + booster accelerator, how all this is brought up I have no idea
                  1. tlauicol
                    tlauicol 9 October 2015 09: 00 New
                    +3
                    well yes ! why then completely subsonic anti-ship missiles
                    Caliber 3M-54E1 (without a detachable head) does not fly at 1500km?

                    Terkom is not a homing system, why does she need ARLGSN? tactical Tomahawks at the end of the trajectory were optically induced. and vice versa - why on the RCC Tomahawk Terkom - around the water? Here it’s just ARLGSN and the range is many times less
                    1. Santa Fe
                      Santa Fe 9 October 2015 09: 12 New
                      -9
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      why then completely subsonic anti-ship missiles
                      Caliber 3M-54E1 (without a detachable head) does not fly at 1500km?

                      purely contractual limitation
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      Terkom is not a homing system

                      is it a new coffee maker from tefal?
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      Why does she need ARLGSN?

                      Relief scan
                      TERrain CONtrol
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      Here it’s just ARLGSN and the range is many times less

                      GOS from Harpoon weighed less than this Terkom (Terkon? Xs)
                      1. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 9 October 2015 09: 17 New
                        +2
                        correction system, and optical guidance. radar yes, it scans the terrain, but not the GOS
                      2. Santa Fe
                        Santa Fe 9 October 2015 09: 23 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        radar yes, it scans the terrain, but not the GOS

                        weighs no less

                        and taking into account the co-correction system at the terminal stage (DSMAC optics) - even more than the ARGSN anti-ship 109B
                      3. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 9 October 2015 09: 39 New
                        +2
                        hence the conclusion: the RCC range is not limited by the fuel supply or payload mass, but by designation: in 2-2,5 hours of flight, the ship will leave for tens of kilometers in an unknown direction.
                        P.S. Still, the guidance system and homing head should be distinguished as separate concepts
                      4. Santa Fe
                        Santa Fe 9 October 2015 09: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        RCC range is not limited by fuel

                        The Caliber is just a fuel reserve

                        unique rocket with detachable warhead
                2. opus
                  opus 9 October 2015 14: 26 New
                  +6
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  Relief scan

                  1.ARGSN DSQ-28 relief scan can not (it has viewing angles of 45g and 10g / -20g vertical), the frequencies are different, frequency hopping.
                  Terkom has its own radar, in fact airborne radar altimeter

                  emitting / receiving amplitude modulated signal (AM).

                  Fixed rigidly at an angle to the longitudinal axis of the rocket

                  2.DSDS-28 is not on Tomahawk Block IV; he does not need it
                  3.
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  TERrain CONtrol
                  TERCOM - Terrain contour matching
                  has nothing to do with "Rain and Control"

                  The minus of the terkom is not to be allowed out of an unknown place (direction), those from where the route was not laid (there are no height maps) to the target. Well and on sea targets a clear stump is useless
                3. Serggii
                  Serggii 9 October 2015 20: 49 New
                  0
                  Terrain correlation plus GPS and astro correction and forward to the target
        2. Mera joota
          Mera joota 9 October 2015 08: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Tlauicol
          although, maybe target designation is becoming a problem, not a fuel reserve

          There are no problems there, the INS + GPS reliably brings the rocket to the target, and there the optics are already turned on in search of a "familiar image". It's just that all this equipment has a relatively small volume and weight, which is also important. ARLGSN takes up a lot of space and its mass (unlike fuel) does not decrease.
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 9 October 2015 08: 50 New
            -5
            Quote: Mera Joota
            ARLGSN takes up a lot of space and its mass (unlike fuel) does not decrease.

            6 anti-ship Caliber is cut off due to the presence of a detachable warhead, very bulky and heavy - 200 land mine + booster accelerator, how all this is induced I have no idea
            Quote: Mera Joota
            No in Block 4 ARLGSN.

            There is,

            same as in the TERCOM system
            1. Mera joota
              Mera joota 9 October 2015 09: 25 New
              +6
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Quote: Mera JootaNo in Block-4 ARLGSN. Yes, as well as in the TERCOM system

              Maybe you confuse a radio altimeter with ARLGSN? Here is the anti-ship option, as you can see the entire nose is occupied by the seeker and warhead
            2. Mera joota
              Mera joota 9 October 2015 09: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Quote: Mera JootaNo in Block-4 ARLGSN. Yes, as well as in the TERCOM system

              But TLAM-C, the bow volume of the equipment is less, which allowed to add a tank of 200 pounds
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 9 October 2015 09: 36 New
                -10
                The same amount of equipment, warhead has decreased dramatically
                starting weight increased by 300 kg

                ARGSN nothing to do with
                the caliber has a shorter range due to the detachable warhead (which you do not want to notice point-blank)

                will argue with the obvious?
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              3. Mera joota
                Mera joota 9 October 2015 09: 49 New
                +4
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                will argue with the obvious?

                With the fact that the picture clearly shows how much ARLGSN occupied and that instead of it a 200-pound tank also got in? In my opinion it is quite obvious.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                The same amount of equipment

                Here, in my opinion, and without a ruler, it is clear that the additional fuel tank has replaced the ARLGSN, the scale of the drawings is the same.
              4. tlauicol
                tlauicol 9 October 2015 09: 52 New
                +3
                At Tomahawk, in the modification of the anti-ship missile system, the nifig does not separate, and the range is shorter than that of tactical or strategic options at times. Affects any RCC - what is the reason? Either excess cargo, or the lack of target designation for ships at a range of 1500-2500km request
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              6. Mera joota
                Mera joota 9 October 2015 12: 16 New
                +2
                Quote: Tlauicol
                In Tomahawk, in the modification of the anti-ship missile system, the nifig does not separate, and the range is shorter than that of tactical or strategic options at times. Affects any RCC - what is the reason?

                In the amount of fuel, that's all. What is so intricate here? With a constant internal volume, the fuel supply depends on the equipment being placed. The smaller the volume of equipment (engine, warhead, hardware), the greater the volume of fuel and, accordingly, the range.
            3. opus
              opus 9 October 2015 14: 37 New
              +3
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              the caliber has a shorter range due to the detachable warhead (which you do not want to notice point-blank)

              1. If the warhead was detachable, then the range would increase (do not drag a lot of empty containers, empty tanks with you when the fuel is used up)
              Prince Tsiolkovsky multistage missiles, detachable spacecraft.
              The next Iskander will have a detachable warhead, a range of age of 30-40% with the same weight.
              For ZM it is impossible to separate: there is a BIP, some of the computing power and drives for controlling aerodynamic surfaces ..

              Warhead "detachable" without controls will give KVO under 500m.

              2. Anti-ship missile 3M-54 INTEGRABLE BCH.

              3. The missile against coastal targets 3M-14 is equipped with 450 kg not detachable high explosive warhead

              4. SEPARATE "BCH" only the 91P1 rotary submarine missile variant .
              This is understandable, this is not a "warhead", but a warhead, in the form of a TORPEDA MPT-1UM.
              It is understandable why "climb" into another environment with a thin rocket body?



              OTHER
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              detachable warhead
              on calibres NO

              Threat.
              ZM-14 / T (than fired at ISIS) also with an inseparable warhead

              Photo for E, but this is not the essence of the 14th or 14t 2,7 meters longer (MTCR does not work)
              You will find neither pyropathrons, nor a coupler, nor any other separation mechanism, and there is no torpedo remote control in the body for breeding warheads and missiles, there is no parachute either
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  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 9 October 2015 08: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    And even ARGSN on modifications BGM-109B and modern Block-4

    Not in Block 4 ARLGSN. Even MRASM uses ANN / satellite / optics
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 9 October 2015 10: 55 New
    +5
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    And TERCOM (radar)

    TERCOM is not a radar. This is a much less heavy and complex radio altimeter.
    Its task is to remove and give the system a profile of the underlying surface, after which this profile will be compared with the "cuts" in memory.
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  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 9 October 2015 08: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Tlauicol
    But the raid was impudent, I personally did not expect such political courage

    What surprised me more was Iran’s permission to use its sky to fly missiles.
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  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 9 October 2015 08: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Wow, the Tomahawk flies, but here it’s impossible

    The Ax does not have ARLGSN, only optics, TERKOM and GPS. The only Tomahawk with ARLGSN was only in the RGM / UGM-109B version, which had long been scrapped, they flew "only" 500 km. unlike the Tactical Tomahawk and its cousins.
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    By the way, Tomahawk is a whole ton lighter

    So his engine is more economical and easier. Well, not per ton, but a kilogram per 500 ...
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 9 October 2015 08: 55 New
      -11
      Quote: Mera Joota
      TERKOM

      this is ARGSN, if that))
      besides very ancient and heavy
      Quote: Mera Joota
      So his engine is more economical and easier.

      Wow, 20 years of progress
      Quote: Mera Joota
      RGM / UGM-109B, which have long been scrapped, they flew "only" 500 km. Unlike

      they were lighter on xnumx kg
      and carried the heaviest warhead
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 9 October 2015 09: 20 New
        0
        not ARGS, i.e. not a GOS at all, but a correction system. and targeting is optical. So you can call the inertial seeker
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 October 2015 11: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        this is ARGSN, if that))
        besides very ancient and heavy

        If TERCOM is ARLGSN, then an echo sounder is a submarine search and detection sonar. smile
        1. opus
          opus 9 October 2015 15: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          If TERCOM is ARLGSN, t

          Yes, a person just a drum.

          radio altimeter AN / APN-194 (Radar Altimeter); manufactured by Honeywell; INSTALLED (used in) on F-14, A-6E, AH-1W, HH-60H, EA-6B, AV-8B, C-2A, P-3C, EP-3E, F / A-18, SH- 60B / F, T-45A, TA-4J, TC-130G, S-3, A-4, A-7, A-10, B-1, TC-4C, QF-4, BQM-8D / F, MQM-8G, BQM-34S, AQM-34U, RGM / UGM-109B

          (the block under the letter "B" is in the middle. That which is above, below the CD is not needed, due to the lack of a pilot)
          What is indicated in the picture as radar Altimetr


          rigidly mounted on the hull, at a certain angle having 2 antennas (radiating in autopilot and receiving in the fighting compartment)
          low altitude radio altimeter mode (up to 1500m) .... power about 0,2 watts
          high altitude radio altimeter mode (up to 30 km) power about 150 watts (if not forgotten)



          и
          GOS Texas Instruments PR-53 / DSQ-28 (based on AN / DSQ-28 J-band active radar and 16-bit IBM 4PiSP-OA digital computer) with +/- 45 ° sector, 3,8 kW per pulse

          Radar AN / DSQ-28 10 to 20 GHz with a flat phased antenna array, with two-axis rotation angles in the 90 ° sector (- / + 45 °)
          .
          Is this the same thing? belay
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 9 October 2015 15: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: opus
            Is this the same thing?

            But yak! After all, both of them emit radio waves and receive the reflected signal. So - radar.
            And all kinds of directional patterns, scanning, resolution and recognition are all bourgeois inventions. smile
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 9 October 2015 10: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: Mera Joota
    In dimensions 3М-14 flight on 1500 km. with ARLGSN is not possible.

    Why?
    We will not compare Granite and Caliber in terms of performance characteristics, they are different, respectively, a lot comes from there: the heat resistance of the equipment in supersonic and in sound is different. Thermostatic compartments sometimes put thermostatic compartments on comfortable conditions for electronics. On the sound is not required. Modern radars are much less voracious and compact.
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 9 October 2015 10: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Rus2012
      We will not compare Granite and Caliber by TTX, they are different

      They are identical, the original 3M-10 Grenade rocket is actually a seamless Tomahawk, taking into account the capabilities of the USSR industry.
      Quote: Rus2012
      different heat resistance of equipment at supersonic and subsonic different

      BGM-109 and 3M-14 Subsonic cruise missiles. Therefore, heat resistance has nothing to do with it.
      Quote: Rus2012
      Modern radars are much less voracious and compact.

      All the same, they are larger than optical systems in volume, not to mention GPS, they generally do not take up much space. After all, a radar is not only an antenna and processing information technology equipment, but also a cooling system, a power system, and radar energy is consumed a lot (in comparison with EOS).
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 9 October 2015 11: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Mera Joota
        We will not compare Granite and Caliber by TTX, they are different
        They are identical, the original 3M-10 Grenade rocket is actually a seamless Tomahawk, taking into account the capabilities of the USSR industry.

        not Russian or what?
        There is Granite, there is Pomegranate!
        Rocket launcher P-700 of the Granit missile system (Navy URAI index: 3М45, NATO codification: SS-N-19 Shipwreck, Shipwreck) - a long-range supersonic cruise anti-ship missile (RCC) designed to deal with powerful ship constellations including aircraft carriers.
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 9 October 2015 12: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Rus2012
          not Russian or what?

          Well, yes.
          Quote: Rus2012
          There is Granite, there is Pomegranate!

          Well, there is what? What is the question then? "Granat" is a TKR with the index 3M-10, created by KB "Novator", was placed on the nuclear submarine. It looks like "Granite", of course, but that index is different, and the Chelomeevites did it, did not understand why you were aroused?
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 9 October 2015 12: 43 New
            -3
            Quote: Mera Joota
            What is the question then?

            the key is supersonic cruise anti-ship long-range missile.
            Electronics "Granite" must function at temperatures on board above 300gr.C (2,5M)
            3M-14 and other "subsonics" - about 100.
            There is a difference?
            1. opus
              opus 9 October 2015 15: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Rus2012
              should function at temperatures on board above 300g. Ts (2,5M)

              should not. there is no such temperature.
              Yes, and all the electronics there are for warheads, which is for the radar-ignition control system, which is behind the air intake cone.


              2.5-2.6 M (at high altitude): 20000-24000m.

              Quote: Rus2012
              3M-14 and other "subsonics" - about 100.

              from -50 ° C to + 50 ° C
              there aren’t any 100grS there, just as they aren’t on the Tu-214 radar round-trip radar, all the same -50grS
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 9 October 2015 17: 42 New
                -5
                Quote: opus
                should not. there is no such temperature.

                Akuyut!
                Does the concept of "retarded air parameters" sound familiar to the sofa Xperd?
                Is Concorde equipped with fuel-cooled devices?
                Here's a pity for the Tu-123 Hawk, the 70xx supersonic long-range unmanned reconnaissance unmanned (UAV). From the bulldozer and the supermind they installed the air conditioning system of the instrument compartment?
                In the bow container was a promising aerial camera AFA-41 / 20M, three planned aerial cameras AFA-54 / 100М, a photoelectric light meter SU3-RE, a radio reconnaissance station (RTR), radio communication station, SRS, Romscom-Navigator Xbox Navigator Xbox Navigator Xbox Navigator Xbum autonomous power supply system, air conditioning and boost system, parachute landing system, four-post chassis with pneumatic drive.

                Even on civilian aircraft, the inlet temperature reaches up to 100gr!
                Go learn the materiel!
                1. opus
                  opus 9 October 2015 17: 53 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Do you know sofa iksperd?

                  well, I suppose I did not call you a couch, no-poddivan, or any "expert", although for the nonsense that you write - this is so and asks.
                  Akuyvayte if so easier
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Is Concorde equipped with fuel-cooled devices?

                  ?
                  what nonsense.
                  1. M = 2,03, in which aerodynamic heating most heat loaded elements (end of keel, wings, nose fairing) does not exceed 127 ° C.
                  the windows of the Concorde's portholes were heated during the flight so that they could burn
                  where does the equipment?

                  2.Concorde did not fly at an altitude of 20000-24000m, where granite "travels"
                  3. The Concord air conditioning system, in addition to conventional air heat exchangers, discharging excess heat removed from the engine air, also had heat exchangers to remove excess heat into the fuel entering the engines.
                  4.The computer at which you work so hard (trying to rise in your own dreams at the expense of biting others), as a "chair expert", is also chilling.
                  surprisingly
                  By air, but I have liquid, so what?
                  The speed of its movement in the atmosphere = 0m / s.
                  but it cools down
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  From the bulldozer and the supermind they installed the air conditioning system of the instrument compartment?

                  from your stupidity.
                  Any electronics generates heat, and in a cramped case, all the more.

                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Even on civilian aircraft, the inlet temperature reaches up to 100gr!

                  input WHAT?
                  To the house? to the liner?
                  Maybe in the air intake TRDD? where is it slowed down?

                  100g ... what nonsense.
                  I understand why the wheels are removed after takeoff !!?specially so that the rubber does not melt !! fool


                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Go learn the materiel!

                  1.yyy already on you.
                  2.Cumulative amendment at a temperature at speeds of 800-900km / h is about 20 degrees.
                  3."don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go"
                  all the more so I will not study such a "materiel" for sure.
                2. Rus2012
                  Rus2012 9 October 2015 18: 20 New
                  -2
                  Quote: opus
                  The total temperature correction at 800-900km / h speeds is about 20 degrees.

                  see here -
                  http://mash-xxl.info/info/425006/
                  The temperature of the inhibited flow, or the temperature of deceleration, is the one that a gas has when it is completely adiabatically inhibited, for example, when it flows onto a solid, when the flow velocity becomes zero, and heat exchange between the inhibited gas and the solid does not occur.

                  The point of all this is that the air during braking in the air intake intake device on the 2,5 max is higher than the 300 degrees and is therefore not suitable for cooling. It is cooled for a comfortable environment for appliances. Or other methods of heat removal are used - with fuel or KIS - drip-evaporation systems based on alcohol-water mixtures ...
                3. opus
                  opus 9 October 2015 19: 01 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  The point of all this is that air

                  Ostap suffered.
                  what does
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  braking temperature

                  Quote: Rus2012
                  when braking in the intake air intake


                  к
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Is Concorde equipped with fuel-cooled devices?


                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Electronics "Granite" must function at temperatures on board above 300gr.C (2,5M)

                  ??

                  Who cools the instruments with a 2,5 m free air flow?
                  Pearl vaasche

                  say nothing easier to shut up
                  "Shut up Vanechka, you will pass for smart", maybe it will.
                4. Rus2012
                  Rus2012 9 October 2015 19: 32 New
                  -4
                  Quote: opus
                  say nothing easier to shut up

                  ... this applies to you, alas. Would you not meet a respected out of place and out of place ...

                  And it all started with the fact that it was ascertained that different technical requirements were presented to the instrumentation equipment of subsonic and supersonic aircraft, including those regarding thermal stability. Therefore, one cannot compare the incomparable. And you reduced him, as always, to the stupid blah blah blah niochem.
                  We will not compare Granite and Caliber in terms of performance characteristics, they are different, respectively, a lot comes from there: the heat resistance of the equipment in supersonic and in sound is different. Thermostatic compartments sometimes put thermostatic compartments on comfortable conditions for electronics. On the sound is not required.


                  Incidentally, I have the honor to be a developer of special equipment for both the aforementioned products and manned aircraft, which are still widely used. And not for you to evaluate me ...
                5. opus
                  opus 12 October 2015 22: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  that it was stated that different technical requirements are imposed on the instrumentation equipment of subsonic and supersonic aircraft, including heat resistance

                  twisted out like psaki
                  generally = then:
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Electronics "Granite" must function at temperatures on board above 300gr.C (2,5M)
                  3M-14 and other "subsonics" - about 100.


                  Quote: Rus2012
                  And you reduced him, as always, to the stupid blah blah blah niochem.

                  don't judge yourself by yourself
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  By the way, I have the honor to be a developer of special equipment for both

                  doubt it.
                  That the level of reasoning (here and in general), that the topic of as many as 161 embossed "articles" (a mustache about politics and other garbage), shows that the "one who was honored" was not even close.
                  Threat. sorry for the delay in answering was far away.
                  Well, well ... What else will you please?
  • Mera joota
    Mera joota 9 October 2015 10: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Rus2012
    We will not compare Granite and Caliber by TTX, they are different

    They are identical, the original 3M-10 Grenade rocket is actually a seamless Tomahawk, taking into account the capabilities of the USSR industry.
    Quote: Rus2012
    different heat resistance of equipment at supersonic and subsonic different

    BGM-109 and 3M-14 Subsonic cruise missiles. Therefore, heat resistance has nothing to do with it.
    Quote: Rus2012
    Modern radars are much less voracious and compact.

    All the same, they are larger than optical systems in volume, not to mention GPS, they generally do not take up much space. After all, a radar is not only an antenna and processing information technology equipment, but also a cooling system, a power system, and radar energy is consumed a lot (in comparison with EOS).
  • bk0010
    bk0010 10 October 2015 19: 09 New
    0
    The size is appropriate for the task. The Chelomey Design Bureau also made the Yakhont (the size is close to the Caliber). These "monsters" were made to destroy the AUG and they are the only ones who have a real chance to break through the "Aegis" with a salvo from one carrier and destroy the aircraft carrier. For the alternative option (reloading the air defense), we have neither ships nor missiles. The "monsters" and "Caliber" have in common only supersonic on approach, otherwise they are certainly "cooler". The mass of the warhead is one-third of the Caliber's weight, 2-3 times longer range, intelligence of the "flock" type, electronic warfare means, armor that allows it to withstand the impact of the "Volcano" and fragments of the "Sea sperrow". And this with a mass of only 5-7 tons, only 2-3 weights of "Caliber".
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 10 October 2015 19: 37 New
      0
      Wrong place. It was a response to the message.
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Irrelevant. Compare with the Chelomei monsters under which special ships and nuclear submarines had to be made.
  • ayuric
    ayuric 9 October 2015 07: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: Veter
    Yeah, ours only have time to pour surprises on adversaries, or else there will be.

    Py.Sy. Why do ships paint sides in different colors?

    and here read http://www.membrana.ru/particle/3004

    funny actually works.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 9 October 2015 13: 22 New
      0
      Quote: ayuric
      funny actually works.

      Yes, it’s great! At first, you won’t understand what’s there. hi
  • alex-cn
    alex-cn 9 October 2015 07: 39 New
    10
    And I was pleased with something else. Somehow I considered the Caspian Flotilla "a tool just in case", "as if something happened to the neighbors." And it turns out almost a strategic unit ... Shame on me ...
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 9 October 2015 08: 06 New
      -18
      Quote: alex-cn
      And it turns out almost a strategic unit

      What is it strategic))
      What can the 26 KR decide when the Yankees let them in by the thousands - and then, the effect is not to say that it is great, you have to connect artillery and aviation

      A purely propaganda trick that has no military significance
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 9 October 2015 08: 20 New
        +3
        Propaganda is also a weapon. And as for the thousands - how many self-sorties have they made already? And ours?
        Who knows, whether it was necessary to let more ... And constantly waiting for a "caliber" on the head is also not honey.
      2. ICT
        ICT 9 October 2015 08: 20 New
        +5
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        What is it strategic))


        let's say, it became a full-fledged military unit, and not a funny flotilla, that's why
      3. vadson
        vadson 9 October 2015 08: 27 New
        +5
        Say hello to er riyad? What is not a strategic task without ballistic missiles
      4. tlauicol
        tlauicol 9 October 2015 08: 49 New
        +9
        To be honest about tactical missiles (cruise and ballistic) - the effectiveness of strikes with such ammunition is, yes, low. OTRK, used in the Iran-Iraq war, Desert Storm, Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia, Africa - average consumption from 800 to 2000 or more missiles, Point, Skad, Iskander, ATACMS, etc. (Georgia has a few units) KR Tomahawk goes to thousands. And all the same: thousands of aviation sorties, fleet, artillery, hundreds of thousands of soldiers, armored vehicles and ground invasion .. The warhead of 26 Caliber missiles is less than the bomb load of a pair of Hornets. Conventional warheads on such missiles are not so scary and very wasteful for warfare.
        But the fact is that all OTRKs were originally created as carriers or potential carriers of weapons of mass destruction (nuclear or chemical). Cruise missiles, too, subtly hint .. So the recent "pin prick" by Caliber is actually a strong political move and a stern warning about short- and medium-range nuclear weapons in Russia
      5. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 October 2015 09: 08 New
        +5
        Cruise missiles in non-nuclear equipment carry out strategic tasks. The objectives of the Caspian flotilla during major hostilities are Turkey, Greece-Italy, Gulf countries. Of course, military installations in these countries. Previously, we could solve such a problem only with nuclear weapons. This is not always convenient. An example is the conflict with Turkey, will you strike a nuclear strike to destroy strategic targets in the depths of its territory? And the launch of 20-50 Caliber will leave such a large country without airfields, air defense systems, power plants, defense plants. Will Turkey then become closer to us in the negotiations? Of course.
        The main spectators of the launch of the caliber system were: Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and NATO. Now our country has the opportunity to bring medium-sized countries with well-equipped convection arms to their knees. For 20 years it was a US monopoly, and +500 kg or -500 kg to the Ax is a matter of technology. Ax is a trendsetter in this class of weapons!
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 9 October 2015 09: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Zaurbek
          A start 20-50 Caliber will leave such a large country without airfields, air defense systems, power plants, defense plants

          It is unlikely (s)

          All of these countries have air defense. "Cut the sturgeon", pliz. You will need a lot more calibers.

          Quote: Zaurbek
          Conflict Example with Turkey

          Greece, Turkey - NATO members, have you forgotten? Something tells me that one "ax" in their direction will be enough for a conflict with NATO as a whole ..

          Quote: Zaurbek
          Now our country has the opportunity to put on its knees medium-sized countries with a well-equipped army

          You have strange fantasies, IMHO ..

          Quote: Zaurbek
          Ax is a trendsetter in this class of weapons!

          Well .. urryayayaya !!!
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 9 October 2015 10: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            All listed countries have air defense

            ... and you give the "successful experience" of countering low-altitude CD by Western countries.
            He is not there. Potomushta no one expected their appearance so soon from the opposite side ...
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            3. Mera joota
              Mera joota 9 October 2015 12: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Rus2012
              ... and you give the "successful experience" of counteracting low-altitude CD by Western countries. It is not there. After that no one expected their appearance so soon from the opposite side ...

              There may not be experience, but there are countermeasures. TKR can quite successfully be intercepted by the Air Force according to a scheme like our AWACS + interceptors.
            4. Cat man null
              Cat man null 9 October 2015 12: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: Rus2012
              Please provide the "successful experience" of countering low-altitude CD by Western countries

              I won’t bring it. Just because so far no one has tried to attack them.

              Quote: Rus2012
              no one expected their appearance so soon from the opposite side

              This is an optimistic point of view. Maybe they didn’t wait and were not ready. Or maybe they’re ready, Caliber is not such a new missile, and no one has yet canceled intelligence.

              And in such cases, as you know, it is better to overdo yes
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          3. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 9 October 2015 16: 53 New
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            Nato did not stop the Turks and Greeks from fighting and being not the best friends. I brought Turkey for the example of a country with a large population and developed technically. And on the other hand, 30 years ago the USSR was still a powerful country and who would have thought ...
            And about the quantity, I had in mind the state of conflict with the country. Air defense forces will be drawn to threatened directions and calibers, like axes, can fly from different directions. On a 20 or 150 pieces are needed for this .. It just needs to know the number of targets +% on downed vehicles. I have nothing against the Turks; they are now a rare example of a country that has its own policy.
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        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 9 October 2015 13: 30 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          The objectives of the Caspian flotilla during major hostilities are Turkey, Greece-Italy, Gulf countries.

          Not .., Greece is definitely not going to fight with us! Was there 2 weeks ago - was interested ... smile hi
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Now our country has the opportunity to bring medium-sized countries to its knees

          Something I have such a desire to bring neighboring countries to their knees, in our Military doctrine did not notice.
      6. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 October 2015 09: 08 New
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        Cruise missiles in non-nuclear equipment carry out strategic tasks. The objectives of the Caspian flotilla during major hostilities are Turkey, Greece-Italy, Gulf countries. Of course, military installations in these countries. Previously, we could solve such a problem only with nuclear weapons. This is not always convenient. An example is the conflict with Turkey, will you strike a nuclear strike to destroy strategic targets in the depths of its territory? And the launch of 20-50 Caliber will leave such a large country without airfields, air defense systems, power plants, defense plants. Will Turkey then become closer to us in the negotiations? Of course.
        The main spectators of the launch of the caliber system were: Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and NATO. Now our country has the opportunity to bring medium-sized countries with well-equipped convection arms to their knees. For 20 years it was a US monopoly, and +500 kg or -500 kg to the Ax is a matter of technology. Ax is a trendsetter in this class of weapons!
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 9 October 2015 14: 06 New
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          Mattresses are now changing diapers, not only because of the performance characteristics of the Caliber. And because of geography. Our ships from the Caspian Sea shoot through the territory of the Baltic Sea Region, Eastern Europe and to Pakistan. In the event of a limited military conflict, we can block the oil production of the Persian Gulf, and this is up to a third of the entire world oil production. Moreover, the Arabs are not members of NATO and the duty of protection does not apply to them. Plus, the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea are under attack from the US Navy base in Naples and Bahrain. Well, and most importantly - the Club-K container complex, which carries the same types of missiles as other Club options. Well, now an example. A dozen container ships with not necessarily the Russian flag fly along the west, east coasts and in the Caribbean. Well, for example, in Nicaragua, but in different ways and from different ports. In case of a red situation, a dozen containers are loaded on top of them. In the container, as I recall, 4 rockets. Shipping off the coast of the United States is extremely lively. Tracking suspicious ships that are not part of the territorial waters of the United States is difficult. And in the case of receiving an order from civilian dry cargo ships, 40 missiles are fired at a range of 2600-3000 km. In the usa, there are no goals that would not be delivered in this way. And there are no zones that could withstand a solid volley of cr, especially with a nuclear warhead. How much they will bring down, and empty bulk carriers themselves will be destroyed after launch, but it will not be important anymore, since there may be a dozen or two bulk carriers. 2 containers in each are 10 missiles. A salvo of 40-400 cr with a nuclear warhead, especially if their routes are laid correctly outside the air defense zones, can provide a decisive advantage in a global war. Mattresses are not fools, and probably someone has already presented such a picture. They have a reason to worry. How many Club-K do we have and where are they stored and how to track if their loading starts - xs? These are the pies with kittens.
      7. tracker
        tracker 9 October 2015 09: 32 New
        +1
        once launched, such as in Iraq, with half of the old modifications, half did not achieve goals or was successfully shot down by air defense and ground with MANPADS or fell just like that or did not cause damage to protected objects.
        In Syria, they launched 700, mainly on a peaceful basis and without real opposition, in real terms, 90 percent would have been shot down
      8. Azitral
        Azitral 9 October 2015 10: 50 New
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        And what about the dam in populous Europe? And what about the nuclear power plant in densely populated Europe? And for the same in the USA from some peaceful container ship? And what about the promise to withdraw from the treaty on the non-proliferation of missile technologies or missiles with a range of more than 300 km in the event of further sanctions? A double-edged solution? So we know that they will be beaten, and we do not expect that we can offend someone with impunity. And they are counting! After the 7th, you cannot be sure that you will remain all in white, you will sit out overseas. offending some poor fellow is the most important thing. "We have machine-gan, but you don't." To paraphrase, a machine-gun loses a significant part of its merits, if it is your counterpart. So your remark that this is a de-reproduction of technologies of forty years ago, in fact, does not mean anything. With all your knowledge, you are wrong, and those who rejoice are right, because the US vulnerability has increased dramatically. More precisely, their understanding of their vulnerability has increased. And this, taking into account their aspirations to straighten out without any risk to themselves, very cools hot heads. This is a very strategic weapon. Most strategic in forty years.
      9. Denis_469
        Denis_469 9 October 2015 16: 15 New
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        And our ships didn’t. And as carriers of anti-ship missiles of vertical launch. Cruise missiles there simply as a bonus.
  • ICT
    ICT 9 October 2015 07: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: alex-cn
    But it turns out almost a strategic unit ....


    I completely agree, it was also a discovery for me. (If you put a radius from Pilau, then the Iskander turns out to be such an irritant)
  • 31rus
    31rus 9 October 2015 07: 56 New
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    Everything is correct, only without the word "possible", the Americans are still in a stupor, and this speaks volumes, the alignment of forces in the world has changed and this is already a fact, the launch of the missiles has proven the end of the US hegemony, Russia is not an aggressor, but it may well to protect ourselves and friendly countries, besides, it can present more than one surprise and we keep the gunpowder dry
  • andrei.yandex
    andrei.yandex 9 October 2015 07: 59 New
    -1
    As usual, idle chatter, apparently we do not have real performance characteristics of the applied "Calibers".
  • Engineer
    Engineer 9 October 2015 08: 46 New
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    In the heading there is an indication of the characteristics, and in the article even the name of the rocket is not indicated. Why then cheat in the headline? I wouldn’t even read then what they wrote a million times already.
  • Old26
    Old26 9 October 2015 09: 15 New
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    Quote: TBM - 75
    The admiration of the work of our MO. And the question is why, with a healthy mechanism, Serdyukov appeared in the ministry. Who is the enemy who stuck him there? Maybe the idea was to shake out everything non-core from the army?

    The question is of course interesting. The Minister of Defense is introduced by the Prime Minister and approved by the President. The prime minister at that time was Vladimir Vladimirovich, the president was Dmitry Anatolyevich ... laughing So let's not throw words like an enemy, a traitor ....
    The question of why it is he is really interesting.

    Serdyukov really shook the army, so much so that they immediately began to hate him. And not only the generals, which he "went through", but also ordinary officers. For what began to be done seemed to be both necessary and correct, but how it began to be done ...
    To remove all non-core is a good idea. But then again. Everything was given up to the merchants, made completely stupidly. As a result, the same “Slavyanka”, which at one time replaced KECh and other EMNIP services, “gave its soul to God” or is on the way to such a return ... Much, a lot can be written about this. How they broke the fate of people, driving them out of the army, when they had only a year and a half left to the calendar, how military universities were thoughtlessly reduced ....

    Quote: parusnik
    Information on the Caliber missile system may be a signal for "foreign partners"
    Steel... smile The Caspian flotilla is not armed with the same missiles, but the Baltic, Black Sea Fleet .. the web is full of headers .. NATO is in shock ..

    I have to upset you. NATO is not in shock, because it knows what it is. Further, you do not accidentally tell me which ships in the fleets are equipped with the Caliber complex, only please, not the “virtual” ships that will enter service in the 201st-XNUMXth year, not the ones that are being tested now, but the real ones that are in combat formation . Personally, I remember nothing but the ships of the Caspian flotilla. Well, the boat (one) at the Black Sea Fleet. That's all for now ... So that, as they say, "the sturgeon must be cut" ...
    And the "web" - it is always replete with something ... ..
    1. tracker
      tracker 9 October 2015 09: 47 New
      +3
      "NATO is not shocked, because it knows very well what it is" - to know this in theory, but to get it in practice is a surprise. Tactically correct was the use of CD, the effect of a surprise strike on command posts and warehouses in distant areas, working out interaction, training, etc., in short, correctly and in a timely manner.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 9 October 2015 10: 21 New
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      Quote: Old26
      . Further, you do not accidentally tell me which ships in the fleets are equipped with the Caliber complex, only please, not “virtual” ships

      ... and you may another plan for the production of the Kyrgyz Republic and equipping them with fleets and aircraft to provide?
      It is also enough that the KR can be launched through a TA of the appropriate caliber and installed in a container on the deck, as well as "cling" to the aircraft.
    3. xtur
      xtur 9 October 2015 11: 13 New
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      > I must sadden you. NATO is not shocked because it knows very well what it is.

      how did the Chinese classic say - war is the road of deception... That is, informational impact is like the most important part of the war. So it turns out that unused and publicly used weapons have completely different weights. So the USSR / RF possessed different "Grenades" there, analogs of different axes, almost the dawn of communism, but did not use them, creating in everyone the feeling that the Russians did not have such a tool - what was the use of weapons when there was no will / ability use. And when they did, they demonstrated their determination to use such weapons.

      On October 7, everyone was shown to use a very effective weapon where for 20 years they showed a lack of will to use it. It is from the return of a strong and fierce rival / enemy of NATO and in shock

      And therefore, for all these 20 years, NATO countries in the military sense have not developed / decomposed, having lost the will to war. I served in the GSVG, was the German army of those times equivalent to the current diaper carriers?

      so don’t need Lala
  • Editor
    Editor 9 October 2015 09: 45 New
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    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Nik_One
    Firstly, shows the world the capabilities of our cruise missiles, and what they are.

    The most important point in launching and demonstrating the Caliber and their range is that the Americans, who firmly believed in the power of their fleet and 11 AUGs, are now beginning to understand the vulnerability of the fleet and its territory in general.
    The US conviction that in the non-nuclear confrontation, no one in the world has anything that can be opposed by the AUG, tamahawks and drones is so rooted in the heads of the US military and politicians for two decades that they used the same fleet as a political lever of influence. Russia has shown that even on a simple barge we can put a Caliber and this pelvis will automatically turn into a weapon of strategic order. I generally am silent about containers with KLAB-K.
    In addition, the range of the Caliber is unknown. There is information that it hits 4 km, and if so, Russia can shell the US, sending missiles deep into their country.


    the farther the range, the less ammunition.
    for 4000 km. fly with an A4 letter instead of explosives.
    do not rejoice and use these missiles against the AUG ... - the speed is low, the noise is strong ... the air defense systems are quite modern on guard ships ...
    not for ships this. for ships YACHON invented.
    and why ships only 370 km.? maybe because there are few flight anchor points on the sea?
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 9 October 2015 13: 47 New
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      Quote: Redactor
      do not rejoice and use these missiles against the AUG ... - the speed is low, the noise is strong ... the air defense systems are quite modern on guard ships ...

      On an aircraft carrier 4th aircraft E-2C / D. In the event of a combat situation, a 1-in plane will always patrol the airspace above the AUG, I'm not talking about ship radars, there are fighters, SM-2/6 anti-aircraft missiles, Si Sparrow missiles, and short-range anti-aircraft artillery, dipole countermeasures, electronic warfare systems ships, plane EW Groler.
      All of this will be extremely difficult to overcome.
  • jaguarstas
    jaguarstas 9 October 2015 10: 00 New
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    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

    is it "massed"
    [i] The Allied forces, delivering the first strike, consisted of an echelon of air defense breakthrough (40 Sea-Based Cruise Missiles, 200 combat aircraft) and two strike echelons (60 SLCM, 492 aircraft).
    - Desert Storm, 1991 year

    Yugoslavia, 1999 - 700 Tomahawks produced
    Iraq, 2003 - 2000 Tomahawks released
    Libya, 2011 - the Florida submarine fired 93 Tomahawks overnight

    SLCM "Tomahawk", put into service in 1983. A battle-tested missile, superior in performance to the "Caliber"


    Смотрим https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BA_(
    %D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0)#.D0.9F.D0.BE.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.B2.D0.BA
    .D0.B8_.D0.B8_.D1.8D.D0.BA.D1.81.D0.BF.D0.BE.D1.80.D1.82

    "Supply and export [edit | edit wiki text]

    In the period from 1998 to 2011 it was set [36]:
    To the UK 55 Tomahawk Block III missiles designed to engage ground targets (26 in 1998, 7 in 2000 and 22 in 2003)
    65 Tactical Tomahawk missiles to hit ground targets (between 2007 and 2011 for years)

    US Army 2135 Tactical Tomahawk missiles to destroy ground targets (2007 missiles each year since 440 [sn. 4])


    In 2012, the U.S. Navy ordered a $ 361 million Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile from Raytheon 338. The contract provides for the transfer of 238 vertical launch missiles for surface ships and 123 missiles for submarines. Delivery should be completed in August 2014 [37].
    "
    Something quantity does not converge. It turns out that the United States is now in a minute on lionfish something. Somewhere here is nonsense ...
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 9 October 2015 10: 09 New
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    I have a question for specialists.
    The commander noted that a missile system was installed on the ship, which allows attacking surface targets at a distance of up to 375 km and ground targets at distances up to 2600 km.

    Why is there such a huge difference when shooting at water and ground targets?
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 9 October 2015 10: 16 New
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      Quote: PROXOR
      Why is there such a huge difference when shooting at water and ground targets?

      magic words - "Moving target" and the need for "target designation"
  • maks007
    maks007 9 October 2015 10: 16 New
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    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

    The allied forces, delivering the first blow, consisted of an echelon of air defense breakthrough (40 Sea-Based Cruise Missiles, 200 combat aircraft) and two strike echelons (60 SLCM, 492 aircraft). First, under the cover of radio interference, missiles were launched from the Los Angeles nuclear submarines, cruisers and battleships based in the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean and the Red Sea.
    - Desert Storm, 1991 year
    Yugoslavia, 1999 - 700 Tomahawks produced
    Iraq, 2003 - 2000 Tomahawks released
    Libya, 2011 - the Florida submarine fired 93 Tomahawks overnight
    SLCM "Tomahawk", put into service in 1983. A battle-tested missile, superior in performance to the "Caliber"

    It would be interesting to hear from you - how much it flew to the target, how many exploded before reaching the target, how many fell, etc.

    As always, RBC claims that "CNN reported the fall of a part of Russian cruise missiles in Iran," but "According to a source in the Iranian Ministry of Defense, the information about Russian cruise missiles that allegedly crashed into Iran is an act of psychological warfare, launched by the Western media."
    http://warfiles.ru/show-97215-prichina-poyavleniya-utki-cnn-amerikancy-ispugalis
    .html

    Another thing is interesting - did NATO or the US see the flight itself or just launches?
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 9 October 2015 10: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: maks007
      Another thing is interesting - did NATO or the US see the flight itself or just launches?

      ... they saw only one CD in flight, their traitor would have snapped a photo randomly. Well, the result of the hits could then be fixed ...
      And the launches were not seen, they were made outside the "window" of their companions.
  • Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 9 October 2015 10: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: PROXOR
    I have a question for specialists.
    The commander noted that a missile system was installed on the ship, which allows attacking surface targets at a distance of up to 375 km and ground targets at distances up to 2600 km.

    Why is there such a huge difference when shooting at water and ground targets?

    For RCC, a radar seeker is operating in the final section, which occupies a large volume and weighs a lot. Missiles attacking ground targets have no such GOS, hence more fuel for the engine.
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  • Old26
    Old26 9 October 2015 11: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Rus2012
    ... and you mb. Is there another plan for the production of CDs and equipping fleets and aircraft with them? It is enough that the CD can be launched through a TA of the appropriate caliber and installed in a container on the deck, as well as "cling" to an aircraft.

    I do not need this data. I am always touched by the reaction of some people to the use of a particular type of weapon. They struck ISIS from the Caspian Sea from four ships - and it’s already a delight that everyone, Khan’s adversary, we have the Baltic, Black Sea Fleet, Caspian Flotilla equipped with these missiles ....
    But these missiles are exclusively on the above ships of the Caspian Flotilla. Not a single surface ship in the Black Sea and Baltic fleets STILL NOT. Of the existing submarines, only the Project 636 submarine is capable of using "CALIBR" through the TA. Project 877 is not capable of this. Ammunition 636 - 4 CR. That's all the equipment for our two fleets and flotilla. 3 ships of the "river-sea" class, one of which is more seaworthy and ONE Submarine. That's all that IN STOCK... True, our comrades sometimes rejoice in advance. That's when at least three "admirals" come to the Black Sea Fleet, when they appear at the Black Sea Fleet "Buyany-M" and the submarine - then we can talk. But not right now.
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 9 October 2015 11: 07 New
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    For SWEET_SIXTEEN:
    Oleg. With great pleasure I read your articles and partly share your love for "gigantomania". The issue of the massive impact of "Caliber" was most likely stated by the press for the sake of a catchphrase, and such a task was not posed (in a massive strike, the first place will most likely be not "Caliber", but not Syria.). I think there were no targets worthy of even this salvo, the target was one political and it was definitely hit with 100% accuracy! This is a response to statements about falling planes, a response to statements by the Saudis, and just a cool demonstration for the Indos.
  • Old26
    Old26 9 October 2015 11: 14 New
    +1
    For SWEET_SIXTEEN
    The caliber is an analogue of the Ax, which was adopted 20 years before the Caliber.


    It would be more accurate to say that "Caliber" is analogue "Grenade", which was adopted about 20 years before the Caliber (then, a little later than the Tomahawk).

    That is, in fact, the "Caliber" is a system similar in time to the same "Tactical Tomahawk" of the latest models. The difference is that all these years, the Americans have produced various modifications of the “Axes”; alas, we did not do this due to certain circumstances. Of course, as I said above, the “Axes” are tactically more flexible, more developed, but I would not say that they are a cut above.

    Ammunition fantastic for its time is a long-range cruise tactical missile capable of flying with enveloping terrain (TERCOM relief system).

    Yes, for its time - a fantastic munition. Before the Tomahawks, there was nothing like this in the world.

    Dozens of modifications (including the anti-ship version of the BGM-109B TASM), numerous versions of warheads (high-explosive / cluster / SBC) and attack algorithms (from diving, when flying over the target, a horizontal strike into the selected building). It has surface / underwater / ground and air based. “Caliber never dreamed of”


    With the number of modifications (although they are not TENS) I will agree. And warhead options, too. Here really “Tomahawk” ahead of caliber. As for attack algorithms. Yes, Tomahawk has a lot of them. What we have - we simply do not know.
    And one thing from the first rules of computer science (information analysis) states that should be compared similar quantities (objects). Knowing that the Tomahawk has, for example, a dive attack algorithm, a horizontal strike, an attack when flying over a target and compare it with a rocket, of which we don’t know anything about attack algorithms - nevertheless NOT CORRECT

    The proven killer, the hero of a dozen conflicts BGM-109 TOMAHAWK surpasses the Caliber in the most important characteristics. For example, the "Caliber" is much more cumbersome, and its mass is almost a whole ton more. I'm not talking about attack algorithms and guidance tools. modern Axes (Block IV) learned to patrol the battlefield in anticipation of the enemy and even attack moving targets.


    Much more bulky? The length of the Tomahawk with a launch accelerator is 6,25 m, the length of the "Caliber" option 3M54-1 и 3М14 - 6,2 meters. The mass also differs not by a ton. For these models, it is of order 1800 kg along with the launch accelerator, Tomahawk has various options - up to 1600 kg.
    The exception is the model 3М54whose length 8,2 meters and mass of order 2,8 tonnes. But there is simply no Tomahawk analogue of this model.
  • Old26
    Old26 9 October 2015 11: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: NKVD
    Axes (Block IV) learned to barrage over the battlefield in anticipation of the enemy and even attack moving targets. The source of information?

    They are really capable of such a maneuver. It would just be more correct, I think, to say that Block IV is capable of not only attacking the target on the move, but also barring for some time and, if necessary, re-aiming at another target. Although it is of course to barrage over a battlefield saturated with weapons and air defense means ... rather literary sophistication.

    Quote: Mera Joota
    3M-14, only it can be used for ground targets and fly 1500 km., 3M-54 is an anti-ship missile and its range is 300 km. and the point here is not in the agreements on the distribution of tactical missiles, but because RCC uses ARLGS which occupies a much larger volume in the rocket than the correlation / GPS GOS (correspondingly lower fuel supply).

    There is also a radar homing head on 3М14. It is called ARGS-14. Weight order 40 kg. Order length 70 см, diameter, maximum 42 cm. Not so much volume and weight.

    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Just a response to the appearance of the "Tomahawk"

    And this, Oleg, no one disputes. "Garnet" was the answer to the appearance of "Tomahawk"

    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Quote: Mera Joota
    TERKOM

    this is ARGSN, if that))
    besides very ancient and heavy

    Sorry, Oleg, but here I do not understand you. You either do not understand the essence of the issue, or simply distort. The basis of the system TERKOM(Sorry to say well-known and commonplace things) digital maps of the area are laid. Yes, they were created on the basis of radar maps of the area, but the main executive mechanism in this system is RADIO ALTIMETER, but by no means an active homing radar, in which there is RADAR... Therefore, one cannot say that all Tomahawks are equipped ARGSN. Only the anti-ship “Tomahawk” was equipped with such a head

    Quote: Engineer
    In the heading there is an indication of the characteristics, and in the article even the name of the rocket is not indicated. Why then cheat in the headline? I wouldn’t even read then what they wrote a million times already.

    The title is really not entirely successful. But what to do ... The name of the rocket, in principle, is in the article - this 3M14 complex "Caliber".
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 9 October 2015 13: 34 New
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      Quote: Old26
      There is also a radar homing head on the 3M14. It is called ARGS-14. Weight about 40 kg. Length about 70 cm, diameter, maximum 42 cm. Not so much volume and weight.

      Thank you, I am in the know. That's only with ARLGSN 3M-14 flies 300 km. (according to the same directories from where you get data on GOS). To fly for 1500 km. (and this is a lot), much more fuel is needed, this can be realized only by abandoning the ARLGSN, which is absolutely useless for hitting ground non-contrast targets.
      Now with regards to your neglect of the volume that will be freed.
      Suppose a volume in the form of a cylinder 70 cm long and 53 cm in diameter is released. This will be a volume of 0,154 m3. or 154 liters The mass of fuel will be approximately 120 kg. The specific fuel consumption of the TRDD-50 at the maximum mode is 0,71 kg / kgf * h., We take it because for normal traction it is not known. Normal traction on the march 270kg. It is not difficult to calculate that even with an increased fuel consumption of 120 kg. A fuel engine with a thrust of 270 kgf will work 0,626 hours. The rocket speed on the march is known, 0,6 M, or 740 km / h, total increase in range of 434 km. We didn’t take accurate data, in reality the range will increase more than that, is it possible after that to treat the volume to be released so dismissively?
  • Old26
    Old26 9 October 2015 11: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Cruise missiles in non-nuclear equipment carry out strategic tasks. The objectives of the Caspian flotilla during major hostilities are Turkey, Greece-Italy, Gulf countries. Of course, military installations in these countries. Previously, we could solve such a problem only with nuclear weapons. This is not always convenient.

    Yeah, we didn’t have time to strike once, when all the goals became clear ...

    Let me put a spoonful of tar in your barrel of honey?

    Respected Zaurbek! This missile is, of course, an instrument, but alas, it is not always strategic. Yes, it can hit some targets at a distance of 1500 km (let us dwell on this range, since the range of 2500 has not yet been confirmed by anyone, and even the admiral’s statement is not a fact).

    But the above goals and countries are unlikely to become targets for "Caliber". To shoot at such a range, subsonic missiles can only be used on structures that are not equipped with air defense systems. In this case, by ISIS. Or at the same time as a massive air raid, if the country has air defense (as it was in Iraq), when the aircraft jammed radars ... And to shoot not from the maximum distance

    And the goals of our Caspian flotilla in a conflict are by no means an attack on Greece, Turkey, Italy, but the defense of our interests in the Caspian. Yes, they can be used to deliver individual strikes, but as an aid and more likely in the countries of the bay than in the above. I repeat, striking with such missiles at targets at a distance of 1500-2500 km, at targets with advanced air defense with a large number of complexes, aviation, the fleet - this is by no means what is required.

    Quote: Zaurbek
    An example is the conflict with Turkey, will you strike a nuclear strike to destroy strategic targets in the depths of its territory? And the launch of 20-50 Caliber will leave such a large country without airfields, air defense systems, power plants, defense plants.

    Okay, let's look at a hypothetical option. Start 20-50 Caliber. In turkey order 15-20 air bases and almost half a hundred airfields where military aircraft can be based. Even 2 Caliber they will not be put out of action at the air base, if only because the warhead of the Caliber is high-explosive or cluster. And in addition to leave the country without an air defense system, power plants, defense plants - it's generally fantastic. Here, the amount will have to be multiplied by 10, at least.
    Turkey has order 3000 units barrel anti-aircraft artillery, order 2000 MANPADS, It has more than a hundred self-propelled air defense systems. And that's not counting aviation and ships.

    In addition, I already wrote on one of the branches. The strike through Iran-Iraq, through its desert parts, but there is no other option, the mountainous terrain will not allow the rocket to go at low altitudes, will lead to the fact that even ground-based radars will detect it for half a hundred kilometers, and this is about 3-4 minutes of summer. So many trunks will meet her ...
    1. Ladoga
      Ladoga 11 October 2015 01: 25 New
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      I remember that in the 80s from our territory when the MiG-23 took off, the engine surged, at least the pilot counted and catapulted like that. But the plane did not crash, but nevertheless gained altitude and flew almost half of Europe, fell, having exhausted all the fuel on some sort of shack, destroying it, people suffered. Our country had to pay compensation. But what’s interesting is that the plane was uncontrollable and was not shot down by NATO air defense, they only recovered when it fell on their territory. And here I hear that ,, she will be met by many trunks ,,. Do not exaggerate?
  • Old26
    Old26 9 October 2015 11: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    The main spectators of the launch of the caliber system were: Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and NATO. Now our country has the opportunity to bring medium-sized countries with well-equipped convection arms to their knees. For 20 years it was a US monopoly, and +500 kg or -500 kg to the Ax is a matter of technology. Ax is a trendsetter in this class of weapons!

    We do not have such an opportunity. The effect of the use of CR can be in two cases. I wrote above. Or if they are “Papuans” without air defense, or you need to use them in combination with the massive use of aviation and electronic warfare. Just like that - it will not work. The emirates, having a dozen of our "Shells" will multiply such an attack by zero ....
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  • 3vs
    3vs 9 October 2015 11: 42 New
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    It is clear that this is a hint of nuggets sax in the first place.
    It’s risky enough to launch missiles through two countries at targets, but for demonstration
    Opportunities and testing combat qualities successful experiment!
    It was easier and faster to strike from the Mediterranean, which I think will be
    done later.
    1. alex80
      alex80 9 October 2015 12: 46 New
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      Quote: 3vs
      It is clear that this is a hint of nuggets sax in the first place.
      It was easier and faster to strike from the Mediterranean, which I think will be
      done later.

      There is nothing from the Mediterranean Sea yet. "Novorossiysk" at finishing works in Sevastopol,
      “Rostov”, “Grigorovich” and “Essen” have not yet arrived.
  • Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 9 October 2015 12: 14 New
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    Quote: Old26
    .... Just like that - it will not work. The emirates, having a dozen of our "Shells" will multiply such an attack by zero ....

    The experience of Iraq in 1991, when Saddam's French export Mirages simply did not take to the air because they were "French", I think, have been taken into account. And they are not fools sitting in the research institutes and the Ministry of Defense, knowing about the possible means and countermeasures from the other side.
  • bmv04636
    bmv04636 9 October 2015 12: 25 New
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    This is an allusion to the deployment of missile defense on the eastern euro collective farm. If politicians don’t think, then let the collective farmers think about the Euro population.
  • alex80
    alex80 9 October 2015 12: 39 New
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    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Quote: Pathfinder
    In massive quantities, missiles were launched on the first 3 days of the war.

    And there was it 25 years ago
    Winter night 1991 of the year

    The main thing is not quantity, but quality. In modern wars, this is the main postulate. What is the number of vehicles in WWII
    used on the battlefield? Right, more. In modern realities, such a quantity is not required, because quality
    technology has increased significantly. Therefore, it makes no sense to give examples of 1991.
  • CRASH
    CRASH 9 October 2015 12: 59 New
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    I have seen this 693rd since the age of 8 in our port, for five years he stood motionless, grew on the campaign, and now we have here wow! The new barracks were rebuilt, so 693 of them are already 3, and two brand new "Coast Guard" can be seen that the money flowed like a river, and the gate was painted)) And the holes in the fence were repaired, now only from the balcony of the house is visible))
  • Ramzai
    Ramzai 9 October 2015 13: 21 New
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    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Quote: Nik_One
    Who is superior to whom and on what head?

    Caliber is an analogue of the Ax, which was adopted for 20 years before Caliber

    the ammunition fantastic for its time is a long-range cruise tactical missile capable of flying with envelope relief (TERCOM relief system).

    Dozens of modifications (including the anti-ship version BGM-109B TASM), numerous variants of warheads (high-explosive / cluster / SBS) and attack algorithms (from a dive, when flying over a target, a horizontal strike into a selected structure). It has surface / underwater / ground and air bases. "Caliber" never dreamed of this

    a proven killer, the hero of a dozen conflicts BGM-109 TOMAHAWK surpasses Caliber in the most important char-cam.
    For example, "Caliber" is much more bulky, and its weight is almost a whole ton more.
    I'm not talking about attack algorithms and guidance tools anymore. Modern Axes (Block IV) learned to barrage over the battlefield in anticipation of the enemy and even attack moving targets.

    Do you know the exact characteristics of CALIBER? Guidance algorithms and other details? I'm afraid not. Therefore, this opus is from the category of our trains the most train trains.
  • sub307
    sub307 9 October 2015 13: 44 New
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    "It is possible that the Calibers will not be the last surprise from the Russian Defense Ministry."
    Uh-huh ... it's good to run Iskander-M ...
    1. CRASH
      CRASH 9 October 2015 14: 04 New
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      Here, yes, such a skeptic as I, I agree with you, would be nice to try, but alas, for a number of reasons there will not be him there, the intelligence is different, and there will be a lot of screaming, if suddenly the rocket refuses and shuttles, then how at least 200x200 meters, quarters, nothing will happen)) And if we fail and miss it (the temperatures and conditions are completely different there), the same blow to prestige, as I wrote, it’s better to send the Coalition and the MSTU to shelling there.

      PS And then as they write ARMAT to send for a test, but they themselves do not think that the tank breaks down, the crew will have to die, you can't say "stop, our tank broke down here, we'll take it right now, and we'll be back tomorrow."
      1. sub307
        sub307 9 October 2015 14: 12 New
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        "After the salvoes of the latest ship-based missile systems, the participation of the Tu-160 and Tu-90 strategic aircraft in the conflict seems to be a matter of time. Moreover, White Swans and Bears already quite often launch cruise missiles as part of exercises."
        http://военное.рф/2015/Сирия101/
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      3. sub307
        sub307 9 October 2015 14: 39 New
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        “Among the general public, it is mistakenly believed that the armament of Russian strategic bombers entirely consists of a missile defense system with a nuclear warhead, but this is far from the case. Our missile carriers also have conventional missiles. These are, first of all, the Kh-101 and X cruise missiles. -555. They allow the aforementioned bombers to fully attack ISIS positions * flying from their base in Russia, without relocating to Syrian Latakia. "
        http://военное.рф/2015/Сирия101/
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      5. sub307
        sub307 9 October 2015 14: 44 New
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        Nevertheless, it will not be possible to shoot the militants with a cruise missile from the Iskander without serious political consequences. Unless the Ministry of Defense decides to bring one of the complexes to the base in Latakia and launch from there, but this sounds like nonsense even at the level of the assumption: "What if ...". http: //military.rf/2015/Syria101/
        1. CRASH
          CRASH 9 October 2015 16: 38 New
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          And where else to shoot, Iskander is limited to 500 km, they will accuse us, and we are transferring technology to Iran and raising the birth rate of penguins in Antarctica to capture it.
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  • python2a
    python2a 9 October 2015 14: 10 New
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    Good warning to the Europedics.
  • srha
    srha 9 October 2015 14: 11 New
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    Still, once a long time ago, one real marshal uttered: "three things are needed for war ..." So I would like to know "how many rubles was spent" on "how many dollars were destroyed." At least approximately. After all, this is one of the main characteristics of weapons - economic efficiency.
    1. sub307
      sub307 9 October 2015 14: 41 New
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      "Still, the Russian" defense industry "eats too large a percentage of GDP to sit idle at the same time, a couple of times a year crawling out to the next" largest-scale exercises " So it's time for someone to show why we spend more than $ 84 billion a year on the army. "
      http://военное.рф/2015/Сирия101/
  • D. Dan
    D. Dan 9 October 2015 15: 20 New
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    But I wonder how many such rockets we have at all? And as I understood from the comments, there is especially nowhere to launch them from - only CF ships and bears with swans?
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 9 October 2015 15: 41 New
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    GDP comes to work on the 8th. With a hangover. Sushnyak. Calls Shoigu.
    - Seryozha, what was it yesterday?
    - Yes, all is well.
    - Were there any guests?
    - There were.
    - Was there a bath?
    - It was.
    - Fireworks allowed?
    - Let it go.
    - How did everything go?
    - Yes, everything is fine, Vova.
    - Well then, let's get down to business. How is ISIS?
    - And after your fireworks, Vova, there is no ISIS anymore ...
  • Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 9 October 2015 15: 54 New
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    "In a few hours, cruise missiles reached their targets."

    Flight time for 1500 km at a speed of 0,8 M, approximately 2 hours. Where did the "few hours" come from?
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 October 2015 17: 09 New
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    I agree in part, with comments. The cr attack cannot happen separately and on its own without the help of rab and reconnaissance. I ask you not to understand the word "to kneel" literally. But what to call such actions as the events in Iraq or Libya or Syria or Yugoslavia? I also recommend reading who will find the plans of the United States to neutralize our air defense with axes. This article was published and we are far from Turkey and not in NATO and we can answer. The caliber is not a panacea but a good convection aid.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 October 2015 17: 10 New
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    If the rocket itself flies at 1500 km, then why am I flying with the pilots in an airplane? Are they parasites?
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 10 October 2015 12: 43 New
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      In the Kyrgyz Republic, soft landing is not so relevant.
  • Aleksandr81
    Aleksandr81 9 October 2015 17: 26 New
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    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    SLCM "Tomahawk", put into service in 1983. A battle-tested missile, superior in performance to the "Caliber"
    if the characteristics of NON-exporting caliber are classified, how can we say that they are worse than axes? .
  • DMB2002
    DMB2002 9 October 2015 17: 46 New
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    How many "experts" on weapons have gathered here. I am simply amazed. It looks like a competition who knows better and better how a rocket flies and how far. You need to keep quiet about such things and puff into two holes, and not show your awareness. There will be more benefits for the country.
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 9 October 2015 18: 21 New
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      No, you can say what the enemy has already learned. It is useless to classify.
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 9 October 2015 18: 34 New
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    Did everyone pay attention to the shadow of the rocket? Symbolically true !?
  • Mentor
    Mentor 9 October 2015 18: 53 New
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    Fall. "Calibers" flew south ...
  • rumor_today
    rumor_today 9 October 2015 19: 24 New
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    Pentagon confirms data on the fall of four Russian missiles in Iran
    http://theins.ru/news/14298
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 9 October 2015 19: 29 New
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      Quote: rumor_today
      Pentagon confirms data on the fall of four Russian missiles in Iran

      As always, only in words .... If you believe everything that the Americans are saying, then you get Uncle Pu and Medved launching these missiles from the slingshot ... Yes, and the siteer is somehow dubious .. Look at the headlines.
    2. Aleks28
      Aleks28 9 October 2015 19: 45 New
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    3. Nazrug
      Nazrug 9 October 2015 23: 42 New
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      The Pentagon did not confirm anything, just the head of the Pentagon said this. He did not immediately understand what he was being asked about, but then he remembered CNN's report on the campaign.
  • Old26
    Old26 9 October 2015 20: 22 New
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    Quote: Mera Joota
    Thank you, I am in the know. That's only with ARLGSN 3M-14 flies 300 km. (according to the same directories from where you get data on GOS). To fly for 1500 km. (and this is a lot), much more fuel is needed, this can be realized only by abandoning the ARLGSN, which is absolutely useless for hitting ground non-contrast targets. Now with regards to your neglect of the volume that will be freed. Let's say the volume is freed in the form of a cylinder 70 cm long and 53 cm in diameter. This will be the volume of 0,154 m3. or 154 liters The mass of fuel will be approximately 120 kg. The specific fuel consumption of the TRDD-50 at the maximum mode is 0,71 kg / kgf * h., We take it because for normal traction it is not known. Normal traction on the march 270kg. It is not difficult to calculate that even with an increased fuel consumption of 120 kg. A fuel engine with a thrust of 270 kgf will work 0,626 hours. The rocket speed on the march is known, 0,6 M, or 740 km / h, total increase in range of 434 km. We did not take accurate data, in reality the range will increase more than that, is it possible after that to treat the volume to be released so dismissively?

    I agree with the reasoning, but the difference in weight is only 40-45 kg. Actually, making calculations based on scattered data, without having accurate performance characteristics, is rather stupid ... This is what is called "On the water with a pitchfork." It is almost impossible to deliver a point strike while flying at a distance of 1500 km without guidance at the final stage. Especially if you believe that KVO is 3 meters