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How unique are EW's in the Russian army?


Recently, the Russian means of electronic warfare have acquired the aura of some kind of super-weapon capable, in the opinion of ordinary people, to cause panic in a possible opponent only with its inclusion.

It all began with the Donald Cook, an American destroyer, described by practically all Russian media as flying over the front-line Su-24 bomber, during which the Russian plane allegedly used the latest Khibiny system. Its effect on the electronic devices of the ship caused almost panic, which led to the mass dismissal of sailors and officers from the Cook. Later on the Internet there was a photo of a supposedly commemorative coin (according to other sources - a medal), marking this historical flying around, and on the back of the product was written "Lesson of Peace."

Why did the Khibins eat Cook?


E-war - myths and truthThe story of “Donald Cook” had not time to subside, as 4 of August of this year blog defensenews.com published an article Electronic Warfare: What US Army Can Learn From Ukraine (“Electronic warfare: what lessons can the US army learn from the Ukrainian conflict”) by Joe Gould ( Joe Gould), where it is alleged that the Russian Armed Forces made a significant breakthrough in the field of not only the creation of electronic warfare, but also their use, which, according to the author, demonstrates the apparent lag in the issue of the US military.

We must not forget that one of the leading developers and manufacturers of Russian means of electronic warfare - the Concern of Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET) is currently conducting an aggressive PR campaign that supports its products. Suffice it to recall that the headlines are heard more and more often in the media: “KRET presented a unique jammer for DRLO airplanes”, “The jamming complex reliably protects troops from enemy artillery fire” and the like.

Due to such popularity of electronic warfare, not only industry publications, but even social and political media report that the electronic countermeasures of Krasuha-2, Krasuha-4, Lever, Infauna are coming into service with the Russian army .. And to be honest, it is quite difficult for even a specialist to figure out this stream of names.

But how effective are the Russian means of electronic warfare, what are they and how is the EW organized? Let's try to answer these questions.

EW in priority


The fact that the military-political leadership of Russia pays close attention to the development of radio-electronic warfare means the following fact: as early as April 2009, the 15-I separate radio-electronic brigade (Supreme Main Command) appeared in the Armed Forces. It is noteworthy that according to some data - in addition to the 15 sample of EW in the RF Armed Forces there are only two brigades bearing the name of the Supreme Main Command (engineering and RCBZ), and according to other data - such a command of the Supreme Command is still the only one in the Russian army.

Currently previously based in the city of Novomoskovsk, Tula region, and received in accordance with the presidential decree in April 2009, the battle flag of the 15-I brigade moved to Tula. It should be noted that this connection is equipped with the most modern means of electronic warfare, including the currently remaining secret stations for the suppression of the Murmansk-BN communication lines and the Leer-3 aerodynamic abandoned interferer.

In addition to the brigade of the Supreme High Command since 2009, separate electronic warfare centers have been formed in each military district. True, most of them are currently reorganized into separate electronic warfare brigades. The exception is only the newly-formed EW center in Crimea, subordinate to the command of the Black Sea fleet.

In addition to brigades, in each district there are also separate battalions, for example, a separate EW battalion subordinate to the command of the Central Military District and based in the city of Engels, Saratov Region. It should be noted that, most likely, the task of such battalions is to cover especially important civilian and military facilities.

The crews and EW centers include strategic battalions equipped with the Murmansk regimes mentioned above, as well as tactical battalions with Infauna complexes based on armored personnel carriers, the Zhitel and R-330 jamming stations R-934. In addition to the two battalions in the brigades and centers, there are separate companies - one equipped with the so-called aircraft means, that is, the complexes "Krasuha-2" and "Krasuha-4", and the company with the above-mentioned Leer-3.

The recently created Aerospace Forces also receive modern electronic warfare equipment, in particular, such items as those installed on Su-34 front-line bombers and recently become almost legendary Khibiny systems, as well as Mi-8 helicopters equipped with stations "Lever arm". Also recently aviation The Russian Air Force fleet was replenished with a certain jammer based on the Il-18 - Il-22 “Logger” aircraft.

"Krasuha", "Murmansk" and other secrets


Until recently, the Krasuha-2 jamming station was the most secret in the entire arsenal of Russian EW facilities, although the palm of the championship in this nomination has now moved to the Murmansk-BN jamming station, which is supposedly able to damp more than two dozen frequencies on range up to five thousand kilometers. However, there is no reliable evidence that the newest complex has such characteristics.

Judging by the photographs of Murmansk available in open sources (several four-axle off-road trucks with multimeter towers), where, in addition to the main antennas, characteristic low-frequency stretch antennas are visible, it can be assumed that this complex is capable of jamming signals in the range from 200 to 500 MHz.

The main problem of such a complex, most likely, lies in the fact that in order to achieve the stated range, the signal must be reflected from the ionosphere and therefore it strongly depends on atmospheric disturbances, which, undoubtedly, will affect the work of Murmansk.

At this year's Moscow Aviation and Space Salon, KRET officially presented a set of equipment designed for interference with long-range radar detection aircraft (primarily American E-3 "ABACS") 1Л269 "Krasukha-2" at a static exposition. It is noteworthy that, according to the concern’s management, this station can jam AWACS at a distance of several hundred kilometers.

At the same time, Krasukha continues the line of development of the Pelena and Pelena-80 complexes developed by the Rostov Scientific Research Institute Gradient in 1-s. The ideology of these products contains a very simple solution proposed at one time by the head of Gradient, and later by the general designer of the EW direction in the USSR Yury Perunov: the interference station signal should exceed the signal power at the 30 decibels.

Judging by the available information, it is very difficult to suppress such a goal as the E-3 “AWACS”, since its radar has more than 30 tunable frequencies that continuously change during operation. Therefore, Yuriy Perunov, in his time, suggested that the most optimal solution would be to suppress the entire narrow-band by powerful noise interference.

However, this solution also has serious drawbacks - the “Pelena” / “Krasukha” hindrance closes only one direction, and taking into account the fact that the plane performs a flight along the route, the station’s impact on the AWACS will be quite limited in time. And if in the area two DRLO airplanes will already operate, then even taking into account interference when combining the data, the E-3 operators will still be able to get the necessary information.

Strong noise interference will not only be detected by the RTR means of a potential enemy, but will also become a good target for anti-radar missiles.

All these problems were known to the developers of “Pelena” from the very beginning, so the more modern “Krasuha” became highly mobile, which allows it to quickly get away from the blow, as well as timely reach favorable positions for the application of electromagnetic damage. It is possible that not one but several stations constantly changing positions will act against DRLO airplanes.

But “Krasuha-2” is not at all such a universal machine capable of interfering with numerous radar stations, as is commonly believed. It cannot simultaneously interfere with both E-8 "AWACS" and E-2 "Hokai", since for each type of DRLO aircraft its own jamming station will be needed, pressing only the necessary frequency range, which are very different for DRLO aircraft radars.

It is noteworthy that the work on “Krasukha-2” began in the distant 1996 year and was completed only in 2011.

The “+ 30 DTSB” ideology is used in another newest interference station developed by the Gradient Research Institute - 1RL257 “Krasuha-4”, which is currently being actively supplied to brigades and separate EW battalions and designed to suppress airborne radar stations, including those installed not only on fighters and fighter-bombers, but also on E-8 and U-2 scouts. True, there are doubts about the effectiveness of the “Krasukha” against the ASARS-2 radar installed on the high-altitude Y-2, since, judging by the available data, its signal is not only rather complex, but also noise-like.

According to the developers and the military, in certain conditions, 1RL257 will be able to interfere even with the homing heads of the AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, as well as the radar control weapons Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems.

As in the case of “Krasukha-2”, “Krasukha-4” is not quite an original product, but a continuation of the line of interference stations of the SPN-30 family, work on which began as early as the end of the 60-s. The new station uses not only the ideology of the old “thirty”, but, undoubtedly, some of the technical solutions used in them. Work on 1RL257 started in 1994 and completed in 2011.

The Avtobaz complex, also due primarily to the Russian media along with the Khibiny, has become in the eyes of the man in the street a kind of super-weapon, knocking any UAV away with interference. In particular, the victory over the American RV-170 UAV is attributed to this complex. At the same time, Avtobaz itself, as well as the Moscow complex recently commissioned by the Russian Defense Ministry, solve completely different tasks — conduct radio reconnaissance, issue target designation of the electronic warfare complex, and are the command post of the EW battalion. It is clear that Avtobaz had a rather indirect relation to the landing of the American UAV in Iran.

The incoming “Moscow” troops are now a continuation of the line of the command and control complex, which began with the “Mauser-1”, which was put into service as early as the 70-s. The structure of the new complex includes two cars - a reconnaissance station, which detects and classifies radiation types, their direction, signal power, and a control point, from which data for subordinate EW stations are transmitted in automatic mode.

According to the concept of the Russian military and EW developers, “Moscow” allows to secretly determine the situation from the enemy and inflict a sudden electronic defeat on its forces and means. But if the complex conducts electronic reconnaissance in the passive mode, then it sends control commands via radio links and the enemy, under certain conditions, can intercept them. In this case, there is even no need to decipher the signals, it is enough to detect the radio exchange and this will reveal the presence of the entire battalion (company) of the EW.

Numb satellites


In addition to fighting the enemy’s aviation assets, Russian EW developers have paid a lot of attention to suppressing the enemy’s radio traffic, as well as jamming GPS signals.

The most famous jamming satellite navigation system is the P-330ZH "Resident" complex, developed and produced by the "Constellation" concern. A rather original solution was proposed by the SEC EW, whose products R-340РП are already being delivered to the units of the Ministry of Defense of Russia. Small-sized interference transmitters, whose signal is amplified many times by antennas located on the tower, are installed on civil cell phone towers.

Not only the media, but also some experts argue that the GPS signal is almost impossible to drown out. At the same time, technical solutions for “turning off” satellite navigation appeared in Russia at the beginning of the 2000s.

In the GPS system there is the concept of "reference frequency". The basis of the system is the transmission of the simplest signal from the satellite to the transmitter, so the slightest deviation from the given frequency, even in milliseconds, will lead to a loss of accuracy. The signal transmission is in a rather narrow range according to the open data - 1575,42 MHz and 1227,60 MHz, this is the reference frequency. Therefore, the work of modern jammers is aimed precisely at its blocking, which, given the narrowness of the reference frequency and with sufficiently powerful noise interference, is not difficult to drown out.

The Leer-3 complex consisting of an electronic reconnaissance vehicle based on the Tigr vehicle and several Orlan-10 unmanned aerial vehicles equipped with resettable jamming transmitters capable of suppressing not only radio, but also cellular. Similar tasks are performed, but without the use of drones, produced by concern “Constellation” complex RB-531B “Infauna”.

In addition to modern ground-based electronic warfare facilities, airborne complexes are also actively supplied to the Armed Forces of Russia. So, at the end of September, the Concern of Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET) announced that within two years the production of the upgraded radio-electronic warfare system “Lever-AV”, installed on the Mi-8 helicopter, will begin. Also, the message indicates that the new complex will be able to blind the enemy within a radius of several hundred kilometers.

Flying "Lever"


As in the case of other electronic warfare complexes, already described in the article, “Lever” (full name - Mi-8MTPR-1 helicopter with “Rychag-AV” jamming station) is a development of Soviet and Russian aircraft that have been in service for over 30 years. Air Force EW stations of the Smalt family, developed by the Kaluga Radio Engineering Research Institute (KNIRTI). The main task of both the new “Lever” and the older “Smalt” is quite simple - the suppression of the radar control stations of the weapon, as well as the homing heads of the enemy air defense missile systems (systems).

Work on the creation of these complexes began as early as the 70s, when the Syrian and Egyptian air forces encountered the new American Hawk anti-aircraft missile systems that had just entered service with Israel. Since the standard EW facilities were powerless against the overseas news, the Arab states turned to the USSR for help.

According to the original idea of ​​the developers, “Smalt” was supposed to be placed on the car, but faced with a number of problems caused by the reflection of the signal from the earth's surface, the developers decided to transfer the station to a helicopter. Due to this, it was possible not only to get rid of interference - by raising the "Smalt" to such a height, where the signal is no longer reflected from the surface, the creators significantly increased its mobility and, accordingly, security.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, during the August 2008 war in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the use of the Mi-8SMV-PG with the Smalt stations installed on board resulted in the radar detection range of the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems. and C-125 decreased by 1,5 – 2,5 times (from 25 – 30 km in a noiseless situation to 10 – 15 km under conditions of interference), which, according to the Russian military, is equivalent to reducing the number of missile launches by a factor of two. On average, the duty of EW helicopters in the air took from 12 to 16 hours.

Judging by the available data, the Lever station can not only automatically detect, receive, analyze and suppress the signals of enemy radars, regardless of the radiation mode used (pulsed, continuous, quasi-continuous), but also act selectively enough when jamming, without suppressing its radar stations .

The work on “Lever” began in the 80-s, and the first experienced Mi-8MTPR with the “Lever-BV” jamming station entered the state tests in 1990-m. However, as a result of the collapse of the USSR and the reduction of funding, work on the new KNIRTI station was resumed only in 2001, but already under the designation “Lever-AV”. State tests of the Mi-8MTPR-1 helicopter with the new station were successfully completed in 2010.

Ideologically, the new helicopter station is close to the ground-based Krasuha-2 and Krasuha-4 developed by the Rostov Gradient All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Gradient All-Russian Scientific Research Institute - staging high-power, narrowly focused noise interference. However, as in the case of 1Л269 and 1ЛЛ257, the “Lever” signal is clearly visible for enemy electronic means of intelligence. Also, it should not be forgotten that not only in Russia, but also in the West, work is actively under way to create anti-aircraft missiles capable of targeting a source with a strong radio-electronic signal.

So what happened to Cook?


Work on the creation of the newest onboard defense complex "Khibiny" (product L175) began at the Kaluga Radio Engineering Research Institute as early as the end of the 80-s. The new product was originally calculated only for installation on the Su-34 front-line bombers, and thanks to the interest in the new station of the chief designer of the aircraft Rolland Martirosov, the designers of the Sukhoi Design Bureau were actively involved in the work on the Khibiny.

Station "Khibiny" is not just installed on the Su-34 and continuously exchanges information with the front-line bomber's avionics, but also displays the situation data on a special display located on the navigator's workplace.

It is noteworthy that judging by the radioelectronic technologies demonstrated by the Concern, for promotional purposes, video recordings of the radar indicator exposed to the Khibiny complex, there are signs of the use of powerful noise interference again. At the same time, the video does not have “asterisks” - imitation interference, so named because of the characteristic star-shaped pattern. Although this type of interference and indicated in the promotional materials.

Newer jamming stations, however, like Lever, have already managed to take part in hostilities: Su-34 front bombers equipped with Khibiny during the August war 2008 carried out group defense of strike aircraft, as well as conducted radio reconnaissance. Judging by the available data, the Air Force Command highly appreciated the effectiveness of the L175.

Summing up, we can conclude that the Khibiny is a radio-electronic warfare station, equipped with a complex multi-channel antenna array, capable of delivering powerful noise as well as imitation interference and conducting radio reconnaissance. L175 can not only protect individual machines, but also successfully perform the functions of a group protection station.

However, it is still possible to install the Khibiny only on the Su-34, since the onboard power supply system of these front bombers is specially adapted for the use of the newest radio electronic equipment station, which probably requires a lot of electricity for its operation.

Therefore, the answer to the question of what the Khibiny did with the American destroyer will not be sensational - such a station was not used during the overflight of the Su-24 front bomber of the US Navy destroyer Donald Cook. She simply could not be on board this type of aircraft.

Mysterious "Fischer"


In addition to the EW “Murmansk-BN” station already mentioned in the first part of the article, one more recently entered service, but this time of the Aerospace Forces (formerly Air Force) of Russia, is covered with a halo of IL-22PP “Fighter”. About the "Chopper" it is known only that it has side antennas installed, as well as a station towed in flight, unwinding behind the plane, according to some sources, several hundred meters.

As early as the end of 2000, the Sozvezdie Concern, which works on the creation of automated control systems (ESU TZ Sotsvezdie) and electronic warfare stations, focused primarily on the suppression of enemy radio communications and automated command and control (P-531B Infauna "), In conjunction with the TANTK named after G. Beriev, began work on the A-90 data management and relaying aircraft, according to some data, within the framework of the" Hawk "design and development work.

In 2012, in the course of work on R & D “Discomfort” “Constellation”, ground state tests of the equipment of the air-based multifunctional EW complex were conducted. At the same time, unique technical solutions in terms of high-potential antenna arrays and microwave power amplifiers with liquid cooling are allegedly applied at the new complex. It is noteworthy that the work on “Discomfort” also began at the end of the 2000-s.

But already in 2013, in a published prospective plan for the purchase of aviation equipment for the Russian Air Force before 2025, a certain “Hawk” (without specifying A-90) was called A-90, and only in the plans of purchasing-upgrading from 2021 to 2025. It became known from this document that the Russian Air Force plans to purchase the IL-22P “The Chopper” up to the 2020 year.

If you add up all the available data, you can assume: IL-22PP and A-90 are designed to perform the same tasks and it is possible that at present A-90 and “Discomfort” are somehow united in the works related to “ The chopper.

Perhaps IL-22PP is not just an aircraft with a complex of electronic warfare, designed primarily to suppress communications and the enemy's automated control system, but also a flying command post for controlling electronic warfare devices capable of independently conducting radio and electronic reconnaissance.

Double-edged sword


It must be admitted that at present, the Russian Defense Ministry is actively developing the direction of electronic warfare, not only forming units and parts of EW, but also equipping them with modern technology. The Russian military learned how to jam the "AWACS", onboard radar systems, as well as enemy communication lines and even GPS signals, in fact, in some areas occupying a leading position in the world.

As an example, we can cite the results of the use of electronic warfare by the Russian army during the war with Georgia in August 2008. Despite the fact that the enemy has enough modern air defense systems, including the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems and the upgraded C-125, as well as a large number of radars of both Soviet and foreign (mostly French) production, the Georgian air defense system only two Russian planes - the Tu-22М3, shot down under unclear circumstances, and the Su-24 of the 929 GLITS, destroyed either by the Polish Grom "Grom" or by the Israeli ZRK "Spider".

The units and subunits of the electronic warfare of the Ground Forces reported on almost complete suppression of the communication lines of the Georgian army (only satellite communications occasionally worked), as well as on the suppression of the communication lines of Georgian UAVs, resulting in the loss of several aircraft. So, the concerns of American journalists expressed in the first part of the article have a certain basis.

But we still have to admit that there are some difficulties in the development of EW forces and facilities. First, it must be understood that the use of electronic warfare must be coupled with precise control of the entire electromagnetic environment in the combat area. The experience of modern wars and military conflicts, in particular the already mentioned war with Georgia, shows that EW facilities, if used incorrectly, hit the enemy equally and their troops equally.

According to the Russian Air Force, in August 2008 of the year when the Georgian radar was suppressed by An-12PP aircraft, interference was also observed to Russian stations located 100 – 120 kilometers from the jamming zone. Ground stations of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation equally effectively suppressed communication lines - both Georgian and their own troops.

In addition, it is necessary to take into account that civilian radio-electronic means are working in the conflict area - communication channels serving the ambulance, emergency services, and police units. And if at present the Russian military, who have had negative experience in the past, are actively learning to operate under the conditions of using their EW funds, no one seems to be concerned about the impact on the civilian sector in the military-industrial complex.

Secondly, if you look closely at the EW product line presented by the industry, a large number of stations are striking, especially for KRET products, in fact ideological, and in some places the technical continuation of the complexes developed in 70 – 80's. And the same “Krasukhi”, “Lever” and “Moscow” could appear in the middle - the end of 90-s, but they slowed down due to chronic under-financing.

Most of the EW complexes are made on the same principle - the formulation of powerful noise interference, which, as already mentioned, has both significant disadvantages and equally significant advantages. But until recently, the millimeter and terrogaz ranges, which have practically not been used, are now more and more often attracting the attention of manufacturers of not only radio-electronic equipment, but also high-precision weapons.

On the so-called lower bands, for example, there may be only ten channels, and already on 40 GHz there will be hundreds of them. And the EW developers need to “close” all these channels, and this is a fairly large band, which means that more sophisticated electronic warfare equipment with a large channel is required, which in turn leads to an increase in the mass and size parameters of jamming stations and a decrease in their mobility.

But if we move away from science, then there is one big organizational problem in the system for developing Russian EW complexes. In fact, now the development and production of electronic warfare equipment is carried out not only by KRET, but also by the recently established United Instrument-Making Corporation (which includes the “Vega” and “Constellation” concerns), individual organizations from Roskosmos and Rosatom, and even private enterprises.

It should be noted that jobs are duplicated and overlap in places; one should not forget about such a phenomenon as lobbying of certain developments and firms. The first attempt to reorganize work in the field of creation of EW was the recent appointment of a general designer in the direction of EW by presidential decree. But how effective this decision will be, time will tell.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 October 2015 05: 23 New
    +6
    Over the past few years, electronic warfare systems have become a separate type of armament. Although before that, such systems were used auxiliary. But the world does not stand still and now electronic warfare systems can not only protect or confuse the adversary, but also attack and disable complex fighters, drones and ships.
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 11 October 2015 13: 11 New
      +3
      Therefore, the answer to the question of what the Khibiny did with the American destroyer will not be sensational - such a station was not used during the overflight of the Su-24 front bomber of the US Navy destroyer Donald Cook. She simply could not be on board this type of aircraft.


      so there was no fact? what happened? from what all of our patriotic-lyberoid press for six months proceeded to "uradaesh" - saliva? - "Donaldcook got into the chest?" Damn what ...
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 11 October 2015 13: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: War and Peace
        so there was no fact? and what happened?

        It is believed that "Cook" frightened off Bastion yes

        http://www.rg.ru/2015/03/19/voorujenie.html
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 11 October 2015 13: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          It is believed that "Cook" touched "Bastion"

          Rather "touched" and slightly twisted Aegis in the causal place, first clockwise and then counterclockwise ... 12 times. laughing
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 11 October 2015 14: 43 New
            +2
            It was he, like Batman, who slowed down the flow of time and turned it back in order to break this Idzheps. And America realized that she with her experiment with a cruiser is nothing compared to us!
            http://lurkmore.to/Филадельфийский_эксперимент
            laughing
            .
          2. dali
            dali 11 October 2015 22: 29 New
            +1
            At the expense of whether or not it was ... at issue ...

            In the meantime, I see only one argument that the type of electricity is not enough - and then the question begs - why not ?! And the author (who is Ramm, I wonder where he comes from ...) knows that the Su-24 of Soviet times and the Su-24 modernized in our time, to put it mildly, are slightly different planes.

            Quote: Cat Man Null
            It is believed that "Cook" frightened off Bastion
            http://www.rg.ru/2015/03/19/voorujenie.html
            And in this article, the opposite is stated, but about the bastion was said at the beginning of the article and there were no words about turning off the equipment. And about the Khibiny in the same article: “Literally a month after the shameful escape from the Bastion, the destroyer crew frightened an unarmed Russian Su-24 bomber. In international waters, it flew around the destroyer 12 times, imitating attacks on it. spacecraft at a distance of 1 km to 150 meters, the onboard systems of "Donald Cook" seemed to be deaf and blind. "
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 12 October 2015 10: 33 New
              0
              You have a good article http://www.rg.ru/2015/03/19/voorujenie.html -yellow repeat Only the author of this duck is not aware that Cook first went to sea on April 10, and the second in December. in May 2014 he was based in Spain - oops! silent scene belay Those. The bastion, like the Khibiny, has nothing to do with it.
              Well, what else can you think of?
              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 12 October 2015 11: 57 New
                -1
                10th entered 11th left?

                Are you not a "robot"? lol
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 12 October 2015 12: 56 New
                  -2
                  for the most understanding: he entered on April 10, the incident took place on April 12, but Cook spent two more weeks there. the tale of Khibiny does not roll. the tale of the Bastion a month before doesn’t roll either - Cook was in Spain at that time.
                  Come up with the third version. Or are the wunderwaffes already over?
                  1. Scraptor
                    Scraptor 12 October 2015 13: 11 New
                    0
                    your fairy tales do not roll, think again ... the State Department made some statements about this, on the 12th Cook went to Odessa in order to "demonstrate determination and support", and after being "shown to him" - came to Constanta.
                    a prodigy from the Caspian has recently been used.
                    1. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 12 October 2015 13: 39 New
                      0
                      if you read our own newspapers and the Internet for April 6-12, 2014, then make sure that he was not going to Odessa to any one. They themselves wrote: Cook will come in then, then it will leave, Varna, Constanta, the teachings .. You already lie completely. Too lazy to google? or after reading the yellow article on April 14, 2014, did you instantly forget about what was written over the past week?
                      "some statements" the State Department and the Pentagon made: for example, about the unprofessional behavior of the pilots, about the fact that the plane posed no danger, or that Cook was more than capable of shooting down both Su24s.
                      1. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 12 October 2015 14: 00 New
                        0
                        your - what, american? It also says that first to Odessa, due to the events in the Crimea. Ksati watched ahead of time, while he still did not pass the Bosphorus - there were suspicions that they themselves would blow it up at the World Cup in an old mine.
                        These stupid examples were from these dumbasses too. The second Su-24 was a little way off in order to burn and put this destroyer to the bottom if they try to bring down the first.
                      2. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 12 October 2015 14: 48 New
                        +1
                        http://www.blackseanews.net/read/78642
                        http://portnews.ru/news/178201/
                        http://ria.ru/world/20140409/1003101174.html
                        https://news.mail.ru/politics/17760387/?frommail=1
                        http://ria.ru/world/20140410/1003322464.html#13971330304973&message=resize&relto

                        = register & action = addClass & value = registration
                        http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1112077
                        http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140409/1003167740.html?utm_source=smi2&utm_medium

                        = banner & utm_campaign = rian_partners
                        http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/14/n_6082901.shtml
                        Not a word about Odessa! And pay attention to the last link - as early as the morning of April 14, Russian newspapers are quite sane, and after lunch, a brain explosion and mass insanity!
                        and from you, apart from blah blah, there will be proofs on statements by the State Department and 27 resigned?
                      3. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 12 October 2015 15: 20 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        as early as the morning of April 14, Russian newspapers are quite sane, and after lunch, a brain explosion and mass insanity!
                        and from you, apart from blah blah, there will be proofs on statements by the State Department and 27 resigned?

                        jump ... your fart still does not vomit? references to the fact that MH17 brought down the militia forgot. laughing

                        The Pentagon and others like him wrote about the call to Odessa. And then BBC deleted the report.
                        laughing
                        27 resigned had a right to this contract.
                      4. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 12 October 2015 17: 23 New
                        -1
                        Liar, you bring proofs to English sites? BBS? or say that you don’t understand English, and the translator doesn’t work? Come on, bye, blah blah
                      5. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 12 October 2015 18: 27 New
                        +1
                        What for? Type in Google "BBS deleted the report".
                        and don’t jump on the rake anymore ...
  • War and Peace
    War and Peace 11 October 2015 16: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: War and Peace
    so there was no fact? and what happened?

    It is believed that "Cook" frightened off Bastion yes

    http://www.rg.ru/2015/03/19/voorujenie.html


    so "bastion" already? The most disgusting thing in this whole story is that these khibins with cookies were discussed on all forums, sites and places, as well as on TV. The question arises, how much is the information that they feed us here reliable? For example, the same CALIBER TTX constantly walked that the RANGE of 300KM, but it turned out that 2600. It turns out that we not only do not know the truth, but also put in a stupid position of idiots consuming information garbage. I remember how different entities happily squealed on the topvo about this, how cheerfully the admins gave them a lot of plus signs, such a child's play, "whoever says the first will get more."
    In general, these stories taught do not take seriously even the type of official information, around lying, they will deceive ...
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 11 October 2015 19: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: War and Peace
      CALIBER TTX constantly went that RANGE 300km

      even the most inveterate patriot never said that 300km .... the line is that you can shoot at water - they said 300km, in fact 600km --- they said 1500km on the ground in fact for 3000km ....---- by there is no accurate data here and there wasn’t ... and don’t read Wikipedia)))
    2. smershxnumx
      smershxnumx 11 October 2015 20: 26 New
      +3
      300 km is for export (it is no longer possible under the International Treaty). KB "Novator" in the 90s survived due to this. And for "internal" consumption, no one limited the range ... hi
    3. Manul
      Manul 11 October 2015 21: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: War and Peace
      the most nasty thing in this whole story is that these hibiny with a cookie were discussed in all forums, sites and scales, as well as in the mailbox. The question arises - how much is the information that we are fed here reliable?

      It already depends on you - how to separate the grains from the chaff. There were several opinions, and the main thing is to look at them with a sober look, and not intoxicated, from our "coolness." And some people, not fearing the minuses, regularly tried to cool the hot heads of the zealous patriots. But who has seen and heard them?
    4. pilot8878
      pilot8878 11 October 2015 22: 35 New
      +2
      The question arises - how much information that we are fed here is reliable?

      And who said that the characteristics of the latest systems should be posted on the network?
    5. Garris199
      Garris199 11 October 2015 23: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: War and Peace
      For example, the same CALIBER TTX constantly went that RANGE of 300 km, but it turned out that 2600

      So you have to have your head on your shoulders. It is written that the KR "caliber" 3m14 was created on the basis of the KR "Granat" 3m10 with a range of 2500 km, so think for yourself, can a modernized "grenade" actually fly at a range of 2500+ or ​​not. Or do you have to send the exact performance characteristics of weapons by the Ministry of Defense SMS by mailing?
      Regarding Khibiny on sane resources it is written that they are not used on the SU-24. What else do you need? With your mouth open, listen to the nonsense of all shkolota and trolls, and then you are outraged.
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  • dali
    dali 11 October 2015 22: 20 New
    0
    Quote: war and peace
    Therefore, the answer to the question of what the Khibiny did with the American destroyer will not be sensational - such a station was not used during the overflight of the Su-24 front bomber of the US Navy destroyer Donald Cook. She simply could not be on board this type of aircraft.


    so there was no fact? what happened? from what all of our patriotic-lyberoid press for six months proceeded to "uradaesh" - saliva? - "Donaldcook got into the chest?" Damn what ...


    Those. you just on the basis that some Ramm said that "this cannot be, because it cannot be" ?! Oh yes you are a good fellow ... you probably completely trust wiki pedia?
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 October 2015 06: 11 New
    0
    where it is alleged that the Russian Armed Forces have made a significant breakthrough in the field of not only the creation of electronic warfare, but also their use, which, according to the author, demonstrates the apparent lag in the issue of the US military.


    What, again, meritic intelligence has slipped?
    The vaunted knights of the cloak and dagger were in the place, which is opposite to the head. laughing
    1. PlotnikoffDD
      PlotnikoffDD 11 October 2015 06: 36 New
      +7
      They didn’t write to Facebook, so they don’t know.
  • Old officer
    Old officer 11 October 2015 06: 44 New
    51
    As a twenty-year-old electronic warfarer, I will allow myself brief remarks about the article:
    1) Radio jamming at a range of 5000 km. in the range of 200-500 MHz it is physically impossible (the conditions for the propagation of radio waves do not allow), therefore, at such ranges it is possible to work in HF, LF and lower ranges.
    2) The given organizational structure of EW troops does not fully correspond to reality.
    3) The article is replete with inaccuracies, which, however, do not affect the general meaning of the article. The specialist will notice these inaccuracies and will correct for himself, the rest does not need to know why.
    4) The author draws attention to the fact that the electronic warfare systems adopted for service are the result of the modernization of old weapons or previously frozen developments brought to mind. Is the evolution of weapons a crime? Did smartphones, laptops or even T-14 "Armata" appear overnight from nothing?

    I would not believe all the figures and facts given in this article. But I will not give specific additions, since no one canceled the nondisclosure subscription. Nevertheless, I would like to say thank you to the author for questioning the fact of intercepting control of an enemy drone by the Avtobaza radio (passive) reconnaissance station, as well as the history of the destruction of Donald Cook's electronics by the Khibiny. "Khibiny" is an excellent complex, but not omnipotent.
    1. dali
      dali 11 October 2015 22: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Old officer
      I would not believe all the figures and facts given in this article. But I will not give specific additions, since no one canceled the nondisclosure subscription. Nevertheless, I would like to say thank you to the author for questioning the fact of intercepting control of an enemy drone by the Avtobaza radio (passive) reconnaissance station, as well as the history of the destruction of Donald Cook's electronics by the Khibiny. "Khibiny" is an excellent complex, but not omnipotent.


      Yes, not ..., we certainly don’t believe anything, including you, if only because:
      Quote: Old officer
      But I won’t give specific additions, since no one has canceled a non-disclosure subscription.
      laughing laughing laughing

      And what happened to Cook ... maybe you are an old Rebovets, but still you are not serving in the VKS, and you did not participate in the modernization of the Su-24, and you do not know what was installed on it, maybe even just as a test.
  • Colonel
    Colonel 11 October 2015 09: 18 New
    +2
    .... signals in the range from 200 to 500 MHz.
    The main problem of this complex, most likely, is that in order to achieve the declared range, the signal must be reflected from the ionosphere

    The author has mixed up something. Signals in the range up to 30 MHz (i.e., short waves) are reflected from the ionosphere
    And about "Cook", the fact that he escaped from the Black Sea is a medical fact. And if they got it not with the Khibiny, then they got it with something else, and the Su 24 exercised visual control and, at the same time, made fun of the US navy.
    1. Lord of Wrath
      Lord of Wrath 11 October 2015 09: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: colonel
      And about "Cook", the fact that he escaped from the Black Sea is a medical fact.

      That's just the point that did not fade.
      According to the Montreux Convention, US ships have the right to stay in the Black Sea for no more than 21 days.
      And Crimea had to "listen". So he stood in Kostanets and "listened", hiding behind "psychological help" to the crew
      1. Rusich is not from Kiev
        Rusich is not from Kiev 11 October 2015 18: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Lord of Wrath
        According to the Montreux Convention, US ships have the right to stay in the Black Sea for no more than 21 days.

        They have been breaking these rules for a long time. It's always fun to watch Americans protect. Like not faded, and Montreux type coincidence. Why were there no such coincidences before?
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 11 October 2015 21: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Rusich not from Kiev
          Quote: Lord of Wrath
          According to the Montreux Convention, US ships have the right to stay in the Black Sea for no more than 21 days.

          They have been breaking these rules for a long time. It's always fun to watch Americans protect. Like not faded, and Montreux type coincidence. Why were there no such coincidences before?


          Well, first write at least one case of violation ...
          That would not be branded as a talker.
          And do not think that the Montreux Convention does not work. The Turks follow her very carefully. For it is only for the Turks. They rule the Dardanelles and are completely independent here and do not depend on anyone. Yeah.

          Second.
          And here are the Americans being protected?
          Nobody protects them - just do not be like morons.
          Namely, stupid people are those who say that Donald Cook "fucked up and ran away."
          Morons and a point.
          And what they write here in Russian does not cease to mean that they are stupid people!

          And the fact that Cook was actually not alone but was going along with the paddling pools, with the reconnaissance ship - Dupuy de lom - stupid people do not even know.
          And that on April 12 they walked were together.
          And if the "fantastic Khibiny" were turned on near this more than fresh reconnaissance ship - it would be an act of suicide for the pilot - to give all the characteristics of his electronic warfare system to the enemy on a silver platter with his own hands - one must be a complete enemy.
          And what he was going to Constanta for the event - stupid people do not know. And that the president of Romania spoke at this event precisely on Cook - stupid people also don’t know.
          And he went on April 10 and left on April 24.
          And in the same way I entered the New 2015 year.
          He walks through the Mediterranean and the Black Sea constantly. Because it is based in Spain. Navy Rota is called.
          A month ago he was in Odessa.

          the third.
          there is also a second version in which Donald Cook, in the opinion of some again, crap.
          Bastion allegedly highlighted it and "everything was gone - everyone fucked up."
          No Bastion could highlight "Donald Cook" then.
          12 April Donald Cook was much further.
          The theoretical detection limit of the Bastion in the form of a Monolith radar in the most ideal conditions of weather refraction is 400 km.
          A target in the form of the same Cook can be detected at a range of 250-300 km and this is in the best case.
          and I don’t think that at this distance he can also provide target tracking, it is usually significantly less.
          For kmpleks - coastal defense. The coastal zone is even.

          So stop repeating idiotic nonsense and learn to think!
          1. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 11 October 2015 22: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: mav1971
            So stop repeating idiotic nonsense and learn to think!

            Oops, as a cha races. During 8.8.8, Montreux rules were violated during the conflict in Ukraine. Yes, but not much.

            I did not write about any KHIBINA and Cook "crap." It’s just a fact that after the flight of the SU-24, Cook quickly washed away and apparently something happened once such a noise arose.

            So read, learn and think.
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 12 October 2015 01: 14 New
              0
              You apparently do not read what they write to you.
              Cook, along with the paddling pool, was heading to Constanta.
              to the pre-scheduled reception of the Romanian president on board.
              He did not run to Constanta, but went there.

              And what one wrote. that he washed off and some liked it - so this is not a fact. This is a lie, beautiful but a lie.

              no need for self-deception.

              Only one violation of the convention was.
              And neither during the Georgian attack, nor during the Ukrainian conflict.
              During the Olympics in Sochi, while ensuring the safety of the Olympics (in coordination with the Russian Navy), the USS Taylor ship - stranded in the Turkish port of Samsun when calling for refueling, damaged the screws.
              The ship was left without a turn at the mooring wall.
              The captain was removed from office.
              In view of the understanding of the situation, no complaints have been raised.
              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 12 October 2015 01: 21 New
                0
                He first had to go to Odessa ...

                there were still violations.
          2. dali
            dali 11 October 2015 22: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: mav1971
            Namely, stupid people are those who say that Donald Cook "fucked up and ran away."
            Morons and a point.
            And what they write here in Russian does not cease to mean that they are stupid people!
            On their own people are not judged ... laughing laughing laughing

            And as a statement that
            Quote: mav1971
            And what he was going to Constanta for the event - stupid people do not know. And that the president of Romania spoke at this event precisely on Cook - stupid people also don’t know.
            cancels that the cookie escaped to Konstantinitsa ... and to assume that it is necessary to somehow cover the face of the face in this embarrassment weakly ?! laughing Or does your intellect believe only what can justify mattresses is true ?! belay
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 12 October 2015 01: 17 New
              0
              My intellect is used to believing the facts.
              I gather facts using a few usually sources. there may be a dozen, two or three.
              Both forums and official ones.
              And I can go to foreign resources, you know the enemy you need to know. rather than throwing caps.

              Believers in tales are stupid people! It is a fact.
              1. dali
                dali 12 October 2015 09: 48 New
                +1
                Quote: mav1971
                My intellect is used to believing the facts.
                And you definitely have facts available ... so far it is not the facts that are visible, but your personal interpretations of the indirect facts that you pass off as evidence.

                Quote: mav1971
                Believers in tales are stupid people! It is a fact.
                The only question is where are the stories, and where is the truth ... and again, while you have only speculations.
    2. tlauicol
      tlauicol 11 October 2015 10: 31 New
      +4
      "Cook" entered the Black Sea in early April, and left on the 24th medical fact
    3. bulat
      bulat 11 October 2015 15: 15 New
      +1
      Absolutely to the point, dear. I also wanted to write that VHF are waves of direct propagation.
    4. mav1971
      mav1971 11 October 2015 19: 38 New
      -4
      Stop flogging ursic!
      You behave like children from decad ...


      Google on the topic of overflights of warships since the beginning of the era of aviation ...
      All this was. is and will be.

      Jokes, yeah ...
      D, B!
      1. dali
        dali 11 October 2015 22: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: mav1971
        Stop flogging ursic!
        You behave like children from decad ...
        You are from the decad, and we at one time finished kindergartens ... laughing laughing laughing

        Quote: mav1971
        Google on the topic of overflights of warships since the beginning of the era of aviation ...
        All this was. is and will be.
        You still give an example of wikis laughing , but why only google. And Google is still a search engine, it will find you everything you want and don’t want ... laughing laughing
      2. Scraptor
        Scraptor 12 October 2015 01: 23 New
        +1
        12 times? And another second plane with suspensions aside?
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 12 October 2015 05: 17 New
          +1
          If Aegis was "out of order," how did they see the second plane on radar? again the fairy tale does not fit
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 12 October 2015 11: 29 New
            0
            before it went down

            again something is wrong with you ...
        2. dali
          dali 12 October 2015 09: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Scraptor
          12 times? And another second plane with suspensions aside?

          Where did the firewood come from ...? laughing
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 12 October 2015 11: 30 New
            0
            from the Internet
        3. dali
          dali 12 October 2015 09: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Scraptor
          12 times? And another second plane with suspensions aside?

          Where did the firewood come from ...? laughing
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 12 October 2015 11: 29 New
            0
            The problem with them chtoli?
  • Lord of Wrath
    Lord of Wrath 11 October 2015 09: 19 New
    0
    The best EW tool available today is a shock wave emitter (Sakharov generator)
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 11 October 2015 10: 44 New
      -1
      A nuclear land mine, sunk off the coast of America and waiting in the wings, at the suggestion of Sakharov, is the best means of atomic warfare, and it’s impossible to intercept and half America will be covered by a tsunami wave.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 11 October 2015 10: 53 New
        +1
        And then this tsunami wave will reach our Far East and all the countries of the Pacific region - that's why they refused to implement this idea.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 11 October 2015 12: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          And then this tsunami wave will reach our Far East and all countries of the Pacific

          Therefore, usually several nuclear devices are undermined at once in order to create either a directed wave or to completely extinguish it, such as at the Semipalatinsk test site.
        2. Scraptor
          Scraptor 11 October 2015 13: 29 New
          +1
          With the Atlantic, it is becoming less and less rosy for NATO ... and it is not a problem to rebuild Kamchatsky and Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk on a new APEC summit.
      2. mav1971
        mav1971 11 October 2015 20: 07 New
        -1
        Bullshit number 2.
        Nobody is afraid of the story with the 100 megatons submarine landmine.
        For she is unable to create tsunamis higher than 10cm at a distance of at least 50 km ...
        And only the morons are still puffing at this nonsense.
        D, B!
        1. dali
          dali 11 October 2015 22: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: mav1971
          Bullshit number 2.
          Nobody is afraid of the story with the 100 megatons submarine landmine.
          For she is unable to create tsunamis higher than 10cm at a distance of at least 50 km ...
          And only the morons are still puffing at this nonsense.
          D, B!


          That is, you have precisely calculated what will happen if you detonate a thermonuclear (and not just nuclear, if you taste of course) charge under water. Are you a nuclear physicist ...? Then the calculation in the studio ... laughing
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 12 October 2015 01: 00 New
            +2
            Why should I do the calculations?
            A megaton charge blown up in water cannot sink a ship at a distance of 3 km.
            Everything was calculated already in the 60's.
            And published including the military publishing house.
            0.3% of the blast power in TNT is used to generate the wave.
            and read the wiki so unloved by you - it’s well written about the underwater atomic explosion - even with formulas.
            1. dali
              dali 12 October 2015 01: 26 New
              -1
              Quote: mav1971
              Why should I do the calculations?


              With these words of yours, everything is said ... now it’s clear why it’s for you to detonate the 58th mega-nuclear thermonuclear bomb, as if to set a match on fire ...

              Quote: mav1971
              And published including the military publishing house.
              Links to the studio, and there it will be clear what kind of calculations it is, who did it and why laughing
        2. dali
          dali 11 October 2015 23: 15 New
          0
          Quote: mav1971
          Nobody is afraid of the story with the 100 megatons submarine landmine.
          And even if you were aware of the fact that you once wanted to test a 100 megaton thermonuclear bomb on land, not even above water, much less under water, and you refused because of possible catastrophic consequences and experienced a twice less charge - 50 megaton ...
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 12 October 2015 00: 45 New
            0
            What exactly would you be in the know.
            stop trying to tale with bikes from the crypt.
            100 megatons is a bike.
            The fiery tornado that will devour the whole New Earth is also a tale.

            Even Sakharov himself wrote that they did not have methods for calculating potential power due to the fact that they made this product almost on their knees.
            and in many ways they didn’t even understand. what are they doing.
            And his memoirs about horror-horror and terrible things can happen - just a consequence of the above, and not a clear understanding of the consequences. It was just that it was necessary to somehow otmazatsya, that's all.
            Looking at the names of the nuclear geniuses of those years, you see, they could justify themselves enchantingly :)


            What has changed there, on the New Earth at the explosion point?
            Can you tell me?
            At least the archipelago itself has broken? Not.
            Or is there an exorbitant level of radiation? Also no. Less than in any city in Russia.
            So what terrible thing was to happen then?
            What you still believe in is like prayer. repeating nightly?

            by the way.
            And not 50, but 58.
            An 58 megaton bomb, with a ground explosion in normal soil, rather than rocky soil of Novaya Zemlya, would give a crater with a depth of 100 to 200 meters and a diameter of one and a half kilometers.
            such an action will not produce any real impact on the Earth’s mantle.
            to split the Earth, to disrupt the atmosphere - this is all the same level as about global warming, nuclear winter, etc. designed to put it mildly thoughtlessly.
            or simply out of ignorance and unwillingness to understand.

            And more.
            do not confuse the impacts (mechanical work) from the explosion of a nuclear weapon with the equivalent TNT "weight".
            Different processes are going on.
            TNT equivalent performs at least 10, and maybe 15-20 times more mechanical work than a nuclear warhead "in TNT equivalent."
            1. dali
              dali 12 October 2015 01: 33 New
              -3
              Quote: mav1971
              by the way.
              And not 50, but 58.
              An 58 megaton bomb, with a ground explosion in normal soil, rather than rocky soil of Novaya Zemlya, would give a crater with a depth of 100 to 200 meters and a diameter of one and a half kilometers.
              such an action will not produce any real impact on the Earth’s mantle.
              to split the Earth, to disrupt the atmosphere - this is all the same level as about global warming, nuclear winter, etc. designed to put it mildly thoughtlessly.
              or simply out of ignorance and unwillingness to understand.


              I repeat once more, it does not reach:
              Your calculation of an underwater explosion of a 100 megaton thermonuclear bomb in the studio !!!

              Quote: mav1971

              What has changed there, on the New Earth at the explosion point?
              Can you tell me?
              At least the archipelago itself has broken? Not.
              Or is there an exorbitant level of radiation? Also no. Less than in any city in Russia.
              So what terrible thing was to happen then?
              What you still believe in is like prayer. repeating nightly?

              1) How much time has passed since then (1961)? What is the radiation level there (earth, water, air)?
              2) Can you tell me why people are still not allowed to live in the Chernobyl zone (by the way about the nuclear winter)?


              Quote: mav1971
              ... nuclear winter, etc. designed to put it mildly thoughtlessly.
              Those. Do you agree to fight nuclear and thermonuclear weapons and are not afraid of a nuclear winter ?! belay And I see that the mattresses have so many ardent comrades who agree to attack with atomic bombs in Russia - they, like you, have inspired them that nothing terrible will happen !!!
              1. dali
                dali 12 October 2015 09: 44 New
                -1
                Well, one of the minus one mav1971, that's understandable ...)))

                Ayu, the second minusator, answer me, justify your position, why don't you care before an atomic, thermonuclear war, is it not scary at all, or like he lived, but "after me, even the grass does not grow"?
    2. Aksakal_07
      Aksakal_07 11 October 2015 10: 50 New
      -1
      The best "shock wave emitter" proposed by Sakharov (academician) is the idea of ​​the 1960s - to install non-recoverable nuclear bombs on the seabed in neutral waters along the perimeter of the states-potential adversaries of the USSR, so that, if necessary, it would be possible to detonate and call tsunami with a wave height of 100 meters.
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 11 October 2015 20: 26 New
        -5
        Why 100 meters?
        not 200 or 300?

        D, B!
        1. dali
          dali 11 October 2015 23: 08 New
          0
          Quote: mav1971
          Bullshit number 2.
          Nobody is afraid of the story with the 100 megatons submarine landmine.
          For she is unable to create tsunamis higher than 10cm at a distance of at least 50 km ...
          And only the morons are still puffing at this nonsense.
          D, B!


          Quote: Aksakal_07
          The best "shock wave emitter" proposed by Sakharov (academician) is the idea of ​​the 1960s - to install non-recoverable nuclear bombs on the seabed in neutral waters along the perimeter of the states-potential adversaries of the USSR, so that, if necessary, it would be possible to detonate and call tsunami with a wave height of 100 meters.
          Quote: mav1971
          Why 100 meters? not 200 or 300? D, B!


          Those. you, Mr. mav1971, have precisely calculated what will happen if you detonate a thermonuclear (and not just nuclear, if you taste of course) charge under water. Are you a nuclear physicist ...? Then the calculation in the studio ... laughing
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 12 October 2015 13: 13 New
          0
          Give a link about the hydro-aerodynamic calculation of the propagation of the shock wave from the explosion of a thermonuclear bomb with a capacity of 100 Megatons located at the bottom of the ocean, otherwise you say that everything was calculated in the 60s - it’s a great desire to read.
  • aziatt
    aziatt 11 October 2015 10: 21 New
    +3
    In addition, it is necessary to take into account that civilian radio-electronic means are working in the conflict area - communication channels serving the ambulance, emergency services, and police units. And if at present the Russian military, who have had negative experience in the past, are actively learning to operate under the conditions of using their EW funds, no one seems to be concerned about the impact on the civilian sector in the military-industrial complex.
    During the hostilities, no one will take into account other tasks. We had several battalions in the battalion with huge red crosses on all sides and there is no free electronic equipment inside the free space, as this was explained to me as a priority goal
  • Olkass
    Olkass 11 October 2015 10: 40 New
    +3
    And the FSB has already stopped working with "specially informed" sources?
    It’s very convenient to transmit information through the media. The task is posed and the data necessary for the interested party is transmitted in the stream of semi-tailored information.
    And all that is required to know the main biomass is that it exists and shies, and how! Bread and sight! And nothing more.
    And all other information is for closed sources.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 11 October 2015 14: 25 New
    +1
    All the electronic warfare systems that are currently in service are the designs of the 80s and 90s - just a little improved.
  • Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 11 October 2015 14: 51 New
    -1
    Wonderful article, thanks to the authors.
  • bulat
    bulat 11 October 2015 15: 16 New
    +1
    And something is not reflected in the article about the suppression of digital modes of communication.
  • Longmire
    Longmire 11 October 2015 18: 17 New
    +1
    It should be noted that the work is duplicated and intersected in places, we should not forget about such a thing as lobbying of certain developments and firms.

    and that’s all said, and here they’re saying that only Americans say laughing
  • Stinger
    Stinger 11 October 2015 18: 57 New
    +3
    the signal of the jamming station should be 30 decibels higher than the signal power


    In fact, decibels do not measure power, but the signal level. An excess of the signal, which is suppressed by 30 dB, means that it is an excess of the level of 1000 times. To such an excess all the shells and missiles of the enemy will inevitably come down to its source. This is tantamount to calling fire on yourself.
    1. dali
      dali 11 October 2015 23: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      In fact, decibels do not measure power, but the signal level. An excess of the signal, which is suppressed by 30 dB, means that it is an excess of the level of 1000 times. To such an excess all the shells and missiles of the enemy will inevitably come down to its source. This is tantamount to calling fire on yourself.


      That's the point ... that the article is crap, and directed, more than once, to cover the face of the mattress, including in the case of Donald Cook, both in the first case, when he escaped about the bastion, and in the second, when the Su-24 stunned him and blinded him ...
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 12 October 2015 01: 21 New
        -1
        Again and again!
        Lavrov, come!

        D, B!
        1. dali
          dali 12 October 2015 09: 57 New
          -1
          Quote: mav1971
          Again and again! Lavrov, come! D, B!
          You read mantras, because this will not help you, because Lavrov is from Russia, but where are you from and why with the Russian flag, you still need to look at this ...
  • Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 11 October 2015 19: 25 New
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    "In addition, recently the Russian Air Force's aviation fleet was replenished with a certain jammer based on the Il-18 - Il-22" Porubshchik "aircraft" ...
    stupid question - why create a complex based on an outdated aircraft? Why not put on the Tu-204?
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 11 October 2015 23: 10 New
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      What will be the considerations?
    2. Proud.
      Proud. 12 October 2015 00: 07 New
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      Quote: ArikKhab
      Why create a complex based on an outdated aircraft? Why not put on the Tu-204?

      Il-20 / Il-22 (Il-18) is more economical and "hangs" in the air longer.
  • 31rus
    31rus 11 October 2015 19: 26 New
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    I read the comments, guys, before writing something and about something, at least look at something other than the Internet, then maybe electronic warfare will operate in the "system", the missiles will fly to the target
  • mav1971
    mav1971 11 October 2015 23: 48 New
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    [quote = Dali] [quote = mav1971] Stop flogging urea stuff!
    You behave like children from decad ...
    [/ quote] From decad you are just, and we at one time finished kindergartens ... laughing laughing laughing
    [/ Quote]
    Well, well.
    The phrase "decad" is just about you.
    There was once about 10 years ago such a trend as the "Albany Yezik", when ignoramuses and stupid people deliberately distorted the written Russian language, deliberately. They especially boasted of their superficial attitude to life. Any primonahs for them were more important than the topic, the main thing is to be noted. Though stupid, stupid, but be noted.
    I mentioned the word decsad in the context of a superficial attitude to the topic. If, by your stupidity, not knowing the realities - just to be noted, you behave like an "Albanian from the decad" - then you will get an adequate assessment ...
    And kindergartens do not finish. They are being visited ...


    [quote = mav1971] Google on the topic of overflights of warships since the beginning of the aviation era ...
    All this was. is and will be. [/ quote] You still give an example to wik laughing , but why only google. And Google is still a search engine, it will find you everything you want and don’t want ... laughing laughing[/ Quote]
    Google is an excellent search engine.
    Do not like Google - take Yandex.
    just for those who are "ensign" ... I can of course say 2 times - the term "google" means start looking for information.
    if you really want to find something. if you are interested.
    It's so easy to make a request and get some photos
    for example this
    http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/511/sa1of.jpg
    or this
    http://img1.gtimg.com/5/583/58362/5836203_980x1200_0.jpg
    or this
    http://k39.kn3.net/taringa/4/0/7/1/6/9/tobull/2BC.jpg?1766
    and understand that flying over combat aircraft of warships is a simple military routine.
    and cheers do not need to shout.
    And caps should not be thrown into the air.
    And what it was, is and will be.
    What they tried to convey to you.
    But you are not capable of thinking.
    you as a child, you can only say that Google is just bad and point.
    1. dali
      dali 12 October 2015 01: 48 New
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      Quote: mav1971
      And kindergartens do not finish. They are being visited ...

      You are still not all right with humor ... laughing

      Quote: mav1971
      But you are not capable of thinking.
      I repeat once again, people are not judged by themselves ... but at the expense of Google ...
      Quote: mav1971
      just for those who are "ensign" ... I can of course say 2 times - the term "google" means start looking for information.
      if you really want to find something. if you are interested.

      And just for those who are stupid
      And judges by itself ...
      And he thinks that ...
      And only he knows how to google,
      And she knows what it is ...
      He is just himself ...
      And stupid and stupid ...
      laughing laughing laughing

      Byte you are not our frowning ... laughing