Germany will be silent

The theme of American military bases in Germany rarely rises in the German and world media, and one would think that they do not exist at all. Of course, such a view has nothing to do with reality. They are and a lot of them. How much? It is enough for Berlin to make regular decisions that do not even diverge from national interests, but from elementary common sense. Corrupted relations with Russia and inviting an insane number of migrants are just the latest and most striking examples.

The deployment of foreign bases is served as the obligation of Germany as a member of NATO. So, Berlin must provide the Allied supply lines. The 2014 42 US troops, 450 13 - Great Britain, 400 1 - France, 623 - Netherlands, one hundred soldiers from Belgium and Canada are in 477 year in Germany. For comparison: this is more than the number of US troops in Japan. By the way, the figures are far from final. In some German sources, only the number of US military personnel reaches 71 thousands.

The German press almost never criticizes the American presence or any action of a foreign contingent, on the whole the general level of description of the existence of bases in the range from neutral to enthusiastic is maintained. This position has created in the German blogosphere a series of pictures in the genre of caricature demeaningly showing the role of modern Germany in relations with the United States. It is difficult to say how much this reflects the mood of the majority in German society, but at least some of the citizens understand what is happening.

Ramstein is the most famous US base in Germany.

Today, the list of the main foreign military facilities in Germany is as follows. Here are the bases not only of the United States, but of Great Britain (GB), France (FF), Canada (CF), the Netherlands (NL).

Panzerkaserne (USMC, USA) - United States Marine Corps Forces Europe (USA) - Hauptquartier
Coleman Barracks (Sandhofen) (USA)
Robert-Schuman-Kaserne (früher Quartier Turenne) (FF)
Stuttgart Army Airfield (Leinfelden-Echterdingen) (USA)
Kelley Barracks - AFRICOM (Stuttgart-Möhringen) (USA)
Patch Barracks - EUCOM & SOCEUR (Stuttgart-Vaihingen) (USA)
George C. Marshall Europäisches Zentrum für Sicherheitsstudien (Artillery Kaserne) (USA)
Edelweiss Lodge and Resort (US Armed Forces Recreation Center) (USA)
Truppenübungsplatz Grafenwöhr (USA)
Joint Multinational Readiness Center (JMRC) (USA)
Storck Barracks (USA)
Rose Barracks (USA)
Flugplatz Wiesbaden-Erbenheim - Hauptquartier US Army Europe (USA)
Storage Station Mainz-Kastel (USA)
Dagger Complex (US-INSCOM)
Catterick Barracks (GB) Rochdale Barracks (GB)
Tower Barracks (GB)
NATO Air Base Geilenkirchen (USAFE)
Selfkant-Kaserne (CF)
Mansergh Barracks (GB)
Princess Royal Barracks (GB)
Hammersmith Barracks (GB)
Wentworth Barrack (GB)
Prins Claus Kazerne (NL)
Blücher-Kaserne (NL)
Elmpt Station (GB)
Barker Barracks (GB)
Dempsey Barracks (GB)
Normandy Barracks (GB)
Alanbrooke Barracks (GB)
Athlone Barracks (GB)
Truppenübungsplatz Senne (GB)
Baumholder Airfield (USA)
Smith Barracks (USA)
Wetzel Kaserne (USA)
Germersheim Army Depot (USA), European Distribution Center der Defense Logistics Agency (DLA)
Daenner Kaserne (USA)
Einsiedlerhof Air Station (USAF)
Kaiserslautern Army Depot (USA, USAF)
Kleber Kaserne (USA)
Pulaski Barracks (USA)
Rhine Ordnance Barracks (USA)
Landstuhl Regional Medical Center (LRMC) (USA, USAF)
Miesau Army Depot (USA)
Ramstein Air Base - Hauptquartier United States Air Forces in Europe (USA)
Spangdahlem Air Base (USAF)
McCully Barracks (USA)
Trainings Area Mainz Gonsenheim (USAG Wiesbaden)
Trainings Area Mainz Finthen (USAG Wiesbaden)

They are so used to Americans that they perceive their presence as an integral part of the landscape. In some places, the appearance on the streets tank or a whole column of armored vehicles does not cause any emotions - a common thing.

In Germany, and still there are warehouses with the US nuclear weapons. For example, the object "Wilseck", which, judging by satellite images, may be still active.

The United States does not even mention the approximate date for the withdrawal of its parts from Germany, insisting that security guarantees are of an indefinite nature. For example, the United Kingdom plans to eliminate the last military facility in Germany for the 2020 year, Russia did the same in the 1994 year, often taking the servicemen literally to an open field. Relations with the West for "young democracy" were paramount.

In connection with the latest events, we can talk more about an increase in the American contingent, and, apparently, significant. Behind Berlin’s approval, the case is unlikely to arise.

When can the actual state of things change? Not soon. This requires upheavals comparable to the world war or the collapse of the socialist camp. But any cataclysm carries uncertainty - it can inhale new forces, and can finally destroy it.

After the Second World War, the United States defined German land as an extremely important reference point on the European continent and made sure that any future German government had no resistance, which we are witnessing.

Comments

[VNP1958PVN]

I thought Merkel was only afraid of her Komsomol youth, and here it turns out that the pension is coming in alarm! Yeah, the humpback about the freedom of the Germans did not take care

[siberalt]

The Anglo-Saxons gasped when Gorbachev decided to withdraw his troops (SGV) from Germany. Germany united and was a real threat to them. Therefore, the muzzles of NATO and American bases were thrown at her. Germany is almost the only European country that gravitates most to Russia. History shows to whom it was beneficial to pit our peoples.

[Denbfrkas]

It is so heavy that in the whole history the Germans killed the most Russians. Not when they were not friends and will not become. And immigrants are the future meat for a new trip to Russia.

[venaya]

Quote: DenBfrkas

It is so heavy that in the whole history the Germans killed the most Russians. Not when they were not friends and will not become. ...

Our task is to make the fairy tale come true, so that no Austrian A. Hitler with African genes could ever set one kindred people against another. We will try not to forget that the German Empire arose only in 1971, and the Russian language was finally banned there only in 1914 (the German language and writing were formed under Martin Luther in the 95th century). Still, the city of Berlin was the capital of Prussia (Porussia in Russian) and Rurikovich, it seems to come from those places. No wonder the names of XNUMX% of villages, villages, cities, mountains, lakes and rivers have purely Russian names.
Still, we ourselves will try to "never say never".

[crazyrom]

Yes, they zasrat the whole world bases, in one Germany 287 pieces:

(click to view in normal size)

[iva12936]

probably still PGV

[222222]

Nuclear tactical bombs for US aviation and NATO countries:
52d Munitions Maintenance Group (52 MMG) (custody and storage of tactical nuclear weapons)
= 701st Munitions Support Squadron (701 MUNSS) Kleine Brogel Air Base, Belgium .. Belgian Air Force 10th Wing Tactical ..F-16 //
= 702d Munitions Support Squadron (702 MUNSS) Buechel Air Base, Germany..German Tornados
(JaboG 33) //
= 703d Munitions Support Squadron (703 MUNSS) Volkel Air Base, Netherlands..Dutch F ‐ 16s
(1st Fighter Wing) ///
= 704th Munitions Support Squadron (704 MUNSS) Ghedi Air Base, Italy ... Italian Tornados (6th Stormo) ... US F ‐ 16s 31st Fighter Wing

= 39 Air Base Wing Incirlik Turkey

[Same lech]

Berlin regularly made decisions that diverged not even with national interests, but with basic common sense

Yes, looking at today's picture of GERMANY, I imagine a scene from a famous film ...

thousands of prisoners stand on the parade ground, a black gentleman comes over to him .... the team of MUTZEN AP is distributed, we start the morning run ....

[Altona]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Yes, looking at today's picture of GERMANY, I imagine a scene from a famous film ...

thousands of prisoners stand on the parade ground, a black gentleman comes over to him .... the team of MUTZEN AP is distributed, we start the morning run ....

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71 thousand foreign troops, the majority of whom are Americans, it’s strong ... These are 5 full-fledged diysies, actually an occupying army with a powerful infrastructure and the ability to increase its strength every 5 times to suppress any attempts at rebellion ... And a loose Bundeswehr, half the equipment which is already inoperative and stands without spare parts ...

[strelets]

The country is occupied. Manual under the hood. Worse than a colony.

[venaya]

All "Europe" is occupied territory.
Even this word was brought here by the Phoenicians, from Africa, so the very name "Europe" is essentially an occupation one.

[Glot]

Whenever possible, we need to actively advance on the American continent. And there to put their bases. What would be right under the barrel. What would cool some particularly violent warriors of Washington. What would our major in the army say - come up to throw a knife.

[rosarioagro]

Quote: Glot

And there to put their bases. What would be right under the barrel. What would cool some particularly violent warriors of Washington

Yeah, it was like that, almost "cooled" to a nuclear war

[Tatyana]

Quote: Glot
Whenever possible, we need to actively advance on the American continent. And there to put their bases. What would be right under the barrel. What would cool some particularly violent warriors of Washington

rosarioagro

Yeah, it was like that, almost "cooled" to a nuclear war

Otherwisedear rosarioagro, nuclear war would be on our - USSR - territory! If not for the presence of the Soviet base in socialist Cuba.
Besides. If the territorial proximity of the attack had not been of fundamental importance in the theory of warfare, the United States would not have stubbornly advanced NATO military bases to the borders of Russia. This is a classic surprise attack and retaliation strategy., which is understandable to the hedgehog!
So from me for Glot big +
And "-" rosarioagro someone else reasonably put.

[SeregaBoss]

Strange you are Tatyana, rosarioagro is quite right, if that crisis had not been resolved, both they and us would have got the war, or do you think that Cuba would be smashed and mustache went for pizza. And according to the theory of warfare, no one argues.

[Glot]

Strange you are Tatyana, rosarioagro is quite right, if that crisis had not been resolved, both they and us would have got the war, or do you think that Cuba would be smashed and mustache went for pizza. And according to the theory of warfare, no one argues.

Yes, it’s clear that it would have raced all over the World but, here the essence is different.
You see, purely psychologically, when you know that the enemy has something to answer, but this very "is" is located thousands of kilometers from you. this one, and plus your "arguments" at his side. And when the enemy rolls his "arguments" to you under the barrel, and it is not thousands but tens of kilometers before him, then this is completely different. This is already crushing. Psychologically crushes everyone, from warriors and rulers to ordinary people. It already becomes uncomfortable when the "muzzle" looks straight into your forehead.
So Tatyana is right.

[Firstvanguard]

The crisis was before the appearance of missiles in Cuba, after that there was a balance, but phasington began a crisis, nuclear hysteria, etc. After all, the plan of nuclear bombing of the USSR was covered with a copper basin and the prospect of world domination was postponed indefinitely.

It already becomes uncomfortable when the "muzzle" looks straight into your forehead.

Are you not confused by the fact that even before the deployment of missiles in Cuba, the vast territories of the USSR, including the capital, were already at the sight of nuclear missiles? I have an extremely negative attitude to the activities of Khrushchev as general secretary, but I have a positive attitude towards his actions in that situation and I consider it the only true one.
Situations when they put a barrel to my head, and I don’t even have a penknife, in any case, I would prefer the situation that if I had a barrel attached to my head, I would put the barrel to the belly of a brazen freak.
"Caribbean crisis" is a mattress term, from mattress history, in the history of the USSR / Russia this event should be called hmm .. "Cuban denouement" for example, well, or "Equilibrium in Cuban".

[Glot]

Are you not confused by the fact that even before the deployment of missiles in Cuba, the vast territories of the USSR, including the capital, were already at the sight of nuclear missiles?

They are now under the gun, only now the territory of the Russian Federation.
And their territory too.
No, it doesn’t bother. )))

Situations when they put a barrel to my head, and I don’t even have a penknife, in any case, I would prefer the situation that if I had a barrel attached to my head, I would put the barrel to the belly of a brazen freak.

Hmm ... I was in a similar situation. The barrel of an assault rifle was rested under the chin, the cartridge was in the chamber, the finger was on the trigger, everything was an adult. ))) Well, me too, no, not to the belly, to the chin. The cartridge in the chamber, the finger on the trigger ... They stood and decided to disperse. ))) Here is a "Cuban" denouement in miniature scale. ))))

[starshina pv]

Hitler they do not have enough ....

[Glot]

Hitler they do not have enough ....

No, Hitler nafig! Then again, storm Berlin. )))
It's just that the German is not the same, softened and flabby. And the whole of Europe as a whole. Relaxed, and here they are shoved by Americans by the most ahem ... and they are silent, shaking with all their gentle little body. )))

[gladcu2]

starshina pv

Yes, they will now have to tweak the state system well. Refugees, this is exactly the stress that will make us raise the role of the state.

[bersar2]

The country is not just occupied, the country is sitting on a nuclear mine whose fuse is overseas.

[afrikanez]

After the Second World War, the United States defined German land as an extremely important reference point on the European continent and made sure that any future German government had no resistance, which we are witnessing.

Amerikosy appointed themselves winners in the Second World War and now decide the fate of Germany. No, there is something else, some other force keeps Germany from independence. At least I think so. Sorry if my views diverged.

[Firstvanguard]

It already becomes uncomfortable when the "muzzle" looks straight into your forehead.

When it seems - they are baptized.
What is the state’s status if foreign troops are on its territory? Let me tell you - the occupied territories.

[voyaka uh]

Here are the numbers of American troops in Europe by country and
combat arms:

Country Total Army Navy USMC USAF
Germany 38,015 23,269 508 955
Italy 11,425 3,996 3,637 19 3,773
United Kingdom 9,078 217 285 22 8,554
Spain 2,193 29 1,749 25 390
Belgium 1,220 685 116 10 409 ]
Portugal 623 2 44 6 571
Greece 387 7 361 0 19
Netherlands 373 142 32 6 193

[31rus]

Where do the "fireballs" come from if the Germans themselves talk about 60 thousand, only in Germany

[31rus]

So what is the article about? What kind of Germans are suckers, or what Germany is not happy? Everything is done with their consent (the Germans) and all excuses were "forced", "there is no way out" is a pure lie, the Germans are so profitable to live and do not need to talk about any kind of connections, friendship and etc., Germany was and is enemy number 1 in Europe, the Americans skillfully use "all the weaknesses" of the Germans in their favor, therefore Germany, like the United States, bears all responsibility both as an ally and as a separate state, this has long been understood

[provincial]

The Germans, they are good. Only suicidal.

[twincam]

Yeah....
and now the Americans and other representatives of NATO have flooded Germany to such an extent that those poor fellows, as they say, "cannot breathe or perdnut".

[Leeder]

Quote: Glot

Whenever possible, we need to actively advance on the American continent. And there to put their bases. What would be right under the barrel. What would cool some particularly violent warriors of Washington. What would our major in the army say - come up to throw a knife.

Thought is good, but will you give money for this?

[Glot]

Thought is good, but will you give money for this?

I, not the State, but the Armed Forces is not a private office, so that I would sponsor the establishment of military bases.

[Olezhek]

They are and a lot of them. How much? Enough for that

So accustomed to the Americans that they perceive their presence as an integral part of the landscape. In some places, the appearance on the streets of a tank or an entire column of armored vehicles does not cause any emotion - a common thing.

You see, in trouble, the Germans feel that they are part of Western civilization, it is inevitable.
The funny paradox is that geographically Berlin is much closer to Russia than to the United States ...
The paradox would not call such a situation

"Geography is destiny." Napoleon.

Russia and Germany are very close. Russia is interested in German equipment and technology. This is a simple fact. No reason for quiet joy and blackmail.
For Germany, access to Russian resources is crucial for survival.
The Germans for some reason do not want to admit, to realize this fact. But the times of the colonial Empire - when
small Britain, France, or tiny Holland ruled over vast territories - they passed.

Those. 19-century situation, when almost the entire industry - in Europe - and the rest of the world -
only the market / source of raw materials (this picture still lives in the heads of European politicians)
So - this situation is forever (forever and ever) a thing of the past.
The 1914 year (when the two Eurodexing units clashed in a mortal battle for the planet) became a gray-haired story ..

Particularly frostbitten europolitics for some reason can not understand this.
It seems to them that if the whole of Europe is united (yes, Omerika is right behind us then ..)
This is just a sweet illusion.

Today there is a completely decent industry in Japan, Korea, China, Malaysia, India, Brazil, Turkey .. (this is so out of line)
And the situation on the planet will change NOT in favor of Europe ..
Like it or not.

The high standard of living of such a dense population in Western Europe in the last 2-3 centuries was explained very, very simply - colonies of semi-colonies and protectorates ...
There was a time when little Holland controlled 2 / 3 world trade ..
There was a time when Britain rules the seas ..

All this is in the past.
Europe should rely on a resource base, which is NEAR.
Once again - NEXT.
In principle, a sharp start in Brazil's 0-e made Latin America a zone of its promising interests.
Before that, Brazil itself was a "zone of interest"

China neatly "rakes" Africa under itself, displacing the French and the Yankees .... which leads to numerous
military conflicts ..
(about competition in Asia, I just keep quiet)

And what is so special about Europe? Why do Europeans claim the very Ukrainian-mythical
"three thousand euros per month" ???
Since such a soup?
For the supercolonial metropolis of the EU to live well, it needs a very large "zone of interest"
Who will "cut" it?

So, Germany, as the industrial heart of Europe, must rely mainly on Russian
resources, well, what ischo is not on the US?
And here begins the problem of a political nature.

[Olezhek]

I've painted it all for a very long time - to explain - there’s no prospect for the Germans -
"world resource market" - forget it.
What it will look like - ketai has accurately demonstrated on the market of rare-earth metals.
Just closed their exports - and that's it, pryuvet!
Who said that Russia is obliged to sell oil or gas ??
Where such confidence ?
Just as it so happened that there are commodity exporters from the countries of the 3 of the world
like Nigeria ...
BUT the situation will change - and "for every barrel of oil fed to you, a bunch of services will be required from you"
And how do you want?

Once again - the glorious epoch of the Industrial Revolution of the 19-th century is forever a thing of the past.
The second of England will not be.
There will be regional industrial centers competing for resources.

So for the Germans - Russia is a gift of fate - there is practically everything - from fresh water to diamonds, it is nearby, the Russians want to cooperate and sell those very "resources" in exchange for German
equipment..

Dream ??? no no dream .. The object of economic sanctions ..

And a barrel of oil goes to the viewer from Shanghai ... such things

It seems that German politicians live in the magical world of gingerbread houses ..

[31rus]

Olezhek, you correctly described the current situation, but you forgot the huge nuance, it is Germany that contains the most bases, it is Germany that hopes for amers wants to become the ruler of the EU and further, but it’s not a problem Americans do not have to pay them for services and they have to pay for their independence, this they (the Germans) set their own price, and Russia will solve its problems, even with the same Americans, but without Germany

[Olezhek]

, and Russia will solve its problems, even with the same Americans, but without Germany

I do not know how we will solve our problems with the Americans, it’s difficult, but the Germans live very close
and from this it becomes anxious at heart.
When your neighbor behaves inadequately - it becomes scary.
Americans by and large ALREADY are not needed.

What we see is some kind of strange German game.

[silver_roman]

This is not Ruslan for an hour?

[AdekvatNICK]

no, this is Volodya)))))

[silver_roman]

in the sense of An-124 !!!

[LMaksim]

And what do they protect there? They would bring down to their home and come across fewer eyes. But the EU will protect itself, especially since the United States usually has some problems, while the EU has a good neighbor nearby (Russia).

[pescimakhi]

They don’t appreciate our kindness and decency ... Naglo-Saxons turned everything upside down, mixed good with evil, confused everyone with propaganda and control half of the world by robbing and destroying the other half! Much still needs to be done ... It’s a pity we are moving towards the goal slowly, (in terms of our own development), but we are going.