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Are the Russian T-90A, T-72B3, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles ready for the Syrian campaign?

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These days, the question of the possible participation of Russian troops in the fighting on the territory of Syria is being actively discussed. If this happens, I would like to understand whether the armored vehicles in the army are ready for the Syrian campaign.


Basis tank The relics of the Russian army are currently T-90A and T-72B3 tanks. These machines are known for their reliability and unpretentiousness. T-90 in export modifications is currently one of the most acquired tanks in the world. The Russian version of the T-90 has a sufficiently effective Shtora-1 optical-electronic suppression system that can neutralize anti-tank missile systems that militants have. However, the "Curtains" are not on the T-72B3. And this can negatively affect the chances of the T-72B3 to survive in battle.

Are the Russian T-90A, T-72B3, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles ready for the Syrian campaign?



T-72B3 of the Russian army look like





And for the “Syrian mission” they should be like this (photo by D. Peredrienko)

It is worth noting that these combat vehicles in service with the Russian army are made, so to speak, in the configuration for confronting the regular army, and not to formations similar to the ISIL banned in Russia. Both T-90A and T-72B3 are poorly covered from side projections and stern. But the participation of export models T-72 in the Syrian conflict, as well as the fighting in the North Caucasus and Afghanistan have shown that domestic tanks, as a rule, were hit in the air and in the rear.

At the RAE-2015 exhibition, a modification of the T-72 with a set of defenses for fighting in the city was shown. A number of measures have been taken to neutralize the anti-tank weapons that attack the vulnerable places, in particular, the sides of the vehicle are covered with a set of modular dynamic protection screens. They are installed both on the hull and on the tower. The back of the hull and the tower is also covered with special lattice screens.


The same goes for BMP. Technique available in troops is very vulnerable






Modern variants of additional protection for BMP-2 and BMP-3 have been created in Russia

This upgraded T-72 was first shown two years ago, but no information has yet been received that the Russian army is purchasing such protective kits. The same applies to the installation of special equipment on combat vehicles to suppress radio control channels of explosive devices and neutralize anti-tank mines with magnetic fuses. These developments can significantly increase the survival of T-90A and T-72B3. No on our serial tanks and satellite navigation systems, identification systems. This is not a trifle either.

If we talk about light armored vehicles, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, it is even worse adapted to such a counter-terrorist operation. Again, it is worth mentioning that the military-technical forum "Army-2015" demonstrated samples of the modernization of the BTR-80, BMP-2 and BMP-3, on which the defense systems were significantly improved. As already reported by the “Messenger of Mordovia”, a set of lattice screens and armor steel screens developed by the “Steel Research Institute” was installed on the BTR-80. They significantly increase protection against rocket-propelled grenades and against 7,62 mm and 12,7 mm bullets and significantly reduce the chance of armor being breached by grenades. Similar developments are applied on the upgraded BMP-2 and BMP-3.




The protection of this BTR-80 has grown significantly compared to the base sample.

I also want to dwell on one moment. Russian T-90CA were supplied to Algeria and Azerbaijan with modern high-performance air conditioning systems. Unfortunately, the tanks that are in service with our army are not equipped with such a system. They are usually not on light armored vehicles.

The Russian military, of course, is prepared to bravely endure hardships and hardships, but still it’s time to provide them with air-conditioned combat vehicles and means of protection, which they didn’t save once again.
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  1. prosto_rgb
    prosto_rgb 27 September 2015 05: 58 New
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    T 90 that is given in the article is really suitable.
    And on BMP, as events on the Donbass showed, the one on the Armata T-15 platform is better than that (less thick ones are very vulnerable). Unfortunately, they are not yet in the army when they are so needed.
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 27 September 2015 06: 27 New
      27
      What makes the author think that BMPs will go to Syria? Photos - a bunch, and no BMP. The reasoning is also about the BTR-80, although already the world knows that BTR-82 is operating in Syria with a normal combat module and enhanced protection. Strange article however.
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 27 September 2015 08: 29 New
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        In fact, the author does not know the real nomenclature of the supplied armored vehicles. Some assumptions ... With the same success, it can be assumed that T-34-85 and SU-100 are delivered to Syria. Why not?
      2. Yars
        Yars 27 September 2015 12: 09 New
        +7
        Someone is trying very hard to impose the opinion that Russia is introducing its troops into Syria! Calm down the liberals. If they did not enter Ukraine, then they will not enter Syria !!!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 September 2015 16: 14 New
          -1
          One feature of this defense neither in tanks nor in armored personnel carriers or in infantry fighting vehicles in our army we will not see - cost savings.
        2. Karabanov
          Karabanov 27 September 2015 18: 37 New
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          Quote: YARS
          Someone is trying very hard to impose the opinion that Russia is introducing its troops into Syria! Calm down the liberals. If they did not enter Ukraine, then they will not enter Syria !!!

          I will surprise you. I do not know how many troops and equipment Russia will operate in Syria, but in addition to advisers, military officers, in particular tankers, are sent there. (This is not the biggest secret when there is a large military garrison nearby).
          Apparently, Russia has seriously taken up the Syrian issue.
          1. Sterlya
            Sterlya 27 September 2015 21: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: Karabanov
            Quote: YARS
            Someone is trying very hard to impose the opinion that Russia is introducing its troops into Syria! Calm down the liberals. If they did not enter Ukraine, then they will not enter Syria !!!

            I will surprise you. I do not know how many troops and equipment Russia will operate in Syria, but in addition to advisers, military officers, in particular tankers, are sent there. (This is not the biggest secret when there is a large military garrison nearby).
            Apparently, Russia has seriously taken up the Syrian issue.

            Rather, there will be no numbers. Ms. and it is necessary? I understand aviation, instructors. intelligence data. supply.
          2. Yars
            Yars 28 September 2015 13: 05 New
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            I rather wonder where you got such information from ?! First, you need to prove it somehow! You didn’t wait in the rain or RBC heard it! Tales about the Russian troops in LDNR we have already heard!
            1. Karabanov
              Karabanov 28 September 2015 15: 35 New
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              Quote: YARS
              I rather wonder where you got such information from ?! First, you need to prove it somehow! You didn’t wait in the rain or RBC heard it!

              Yeah buddy, word of mouth broadcast laughing
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 27 September 2015 17: 15 New
        +7
        Quote: crazyrom
        Why did the author take that to Syria in general

        The author is a writer.
        Caring, air conditioners, they say, are needed.
        Lattices from cumulative grenades ... (those dill lattices in the Donbass did not save something, they sculpted them on everything that is possible and not difficult, although there is a certain effect from the lattice screens produced by the plant)
        He is talking about some kind of special war against gangs ... As if there were no grenade launchers and mines in the regular army.
        The main thing is that the Russian guys should not cleanse Syria and Iraq from this ISIS.
        This should be Syrians, Kurds, etc.
        But the Russian Federation can send troops only to protect its base.
        From the base, highly effective and powerful modern aviation weapons (KABs, URs, etc.) and OTRK missiles can be sent to the Syrian desert, but not a soldier. Although on tanks and infantry fighting vehicles with grills, even without them.
        1. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 27 September 2015 17: 37 New
          +3
          That's right. Like in the old days: "We have" Maxim "- they don’t have it." Beat from afar and suppress with anger, without entering into close combat.
        2. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 27 September 2015 18: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: Alekseev
          although there is a certain effect on the lattice screens produced by the factory)


          Dear Aleksey, You can probably talk "about a certain effect" of lattice screens on heavily armored vehicles, where they violate the optimal formation of a cumulative jet, thereby REDUCING ITS EFFICIENCY. In particular, on tanks and vehicles based on them. But here are the photos in the article, where the grilles are on the BMP-2 and 3 towers, I personally get puzzled. Since in this case, even the reduced efficiency of this very jet will allow to break through 15-20 mm. booking towers through and through.

          Well, something like that. request
        3. tracker
          tracker 28 September 2015 08: 11 New
          +1
          about the gratings on dill equipment you are wrong, there are stories of the militia that they could not knock out APCs with gratings and quickly had to retreat under fire. There also sandbags were laid between the screens, it turned out to be a very effective protection
  2. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 27 September 2015 06: 42 New
    +3
    How long it takes to equip an infantry fighting vehicle, a tank with minimal additional protective equipment (if available and desired) - quickly enough.
    1. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 27 September 2015 07: 42 New
      23
      As practice shows, if necessary, the desire of a higher leadership (both political and military), as well as mandatory incentives in the form of a "magic pendell" laughing All issues on the modernization of military equipment and its equipping with protective equipment are resolved very quickly. The question is small - the desire of the leadership to provide sufficient protection for the lives of their soldiers, who will be able to serve and if you need to fight on this very technique.
      I have the honor.
      1. Volga Cossack
        Volga Cossack 27 September 2015 13: 49 New
        +1
        completely in agreement! and it’s about stimulation!)))))
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  3. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 27 September 2015 07: 09 New
    +1
    Is Malbrook going camping?
  4. 31rus
    31rus 27 September 2015 07: 53 New
    +5
    The article correctly set forth the shortcomings of both tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, adding armored personnel carriers and supply vehicles, I already wrote that you need to trade, but after equipping and modernizing your army, but this is not the main thing, there were good comments about the proper use of equipment in Chechen and in coercion of Georgia, to use this, I would not want our troops to take a direct part
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 27 September 2015 08: 44 New
      +9
      In Syria, three years ago, it was possible to bomb, provide assistance with equipment, establish cooperation between the Air Force and the offensive on the site and bomb = and get off turning the tide of the war.

      There is hardly enough reserves now, even for a limited offensive. Bomb = support ground units for sustainable defense, these are the objective capabilities of the SAA today.

      Now in Zabadan (a cut-off enclave of militants that they haven’t been able to squeeze for the second month), they were talking about letting everyone out on buses with weapons, and in return letting civilians out of Foix and Kefrai. And there from 300 to 600 not the most persistent and skillful broads. They use artillery from the skyscrapers, where the numbers for the assault are brought up, there are tanks, there are motivated Shiites, there are Hezes. Another example is a blow to the deblockade / withdrawal of the garrison from Querce. A few dozen kilometers, on an even terrain with no more than 3 houses = 3 weeks are already running, until even 1 / 3 paths have been passed ...

      Therefore, bombing will only happen if there is a dull defense, holding positions and limited operations on the deblockade / withdrawal of the surrounded parts of the SAA. CAA can’t make any change. Only strengthen the army, even in areas of attacks coordinated and trained by army groups on technology. Who will it be? Iranians are possible. But it is doubtful that they are pulling their strap in Iraq. Hezahs - they will not go anywhere from the border regions and the south, since by fighting there they protect Lebanon, and in the north and east they have nothing to do. Shiite police? So there is a big crisis now. The Shiites heard that one could pull to Europe and live happily, and not risk every day ... Even many elite Badr units and Imam Ali’s brigade flee.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 27 September 2015 11: 28 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        There is hardly enough reserves now, even for a limited offensive.

        I agree with everything that they wrote ...

        ONE question remains ... why didn’t such an operation begin in 2013???
        when it was possible to turn the tide and win the war ... now there are no more in Syria

        human ((Alavitov and Christian))) reserves to replenish the SAA ....
        1. Rader
          Rader 27 September 2015 14: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: cosmos111
          Quote: donavi49
          There is hardly enough reserves now, even for a limited offensive.

          I agree with everything that they wrote ...

          ONE question remains ... why didn’t such an operation begin in 2013???
          when it was possible to turn the tide and win the war ... now there are no more in Syria

          human ((Alavitov and Christian))) reserves to replenish the SAA ....


          As I understand it, so far nothing has happened, solely for political reasons. Apparently, there was a "gentleman's agreement" between the USA, Russia and some other players ... But whether the USA violated the agreement, or the situation changed radically ... But the very fact that Russia intervened (and especially not encrypted), speaks of the seriousness of the position of Assad’s troops.
          Ps I won’t get used to your new avatar Andrey hi
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 27 September 2015 15: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: Rader
            talks about the seriousness of the position of Assad’s troops.

            very serious ... the main problem of CAA and Assad, the practical exhaustion of human mobilization reserves ...
            Quote: Rader
            I’m not getting used to your new avatar. Andrey

            I like good ... neutral ... but I can change
            1. Rader
              Rader 27 September 2015 17: 39 New
              +1
              very serious ... the main problem of CAA and Assad, the practical exhaustion of human mobilization reserves ...

              This is yes ... sad But there is also a problem with logistical support (in aviation they say one is assembled from two planes. There is nothing to say about helicopters ...). If Russia, Iran (and possibly China) do not stabilize the "front" in a couple of months, then the government troops will not stand another year of war ...
              And with ammunition, not everything is rosy, they say that this is one of the reasons why Zabadani is not "taken"

              I like good ... neutral ... but I can change

              Well, if you like it, then it's unhealthy yes
              1. Rader
                Rader 27 September 2015 18: 20 New
                +1
                Well, if you like it, then ill health yes

                Ugh ... auto-replace words on a mobile ... Naturally, on health!
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        2. tracker
          tracker 28 September 2015 08: 22 New
          +1
          a great many such questions can be asked in history, and Assad’s human resources are really running out and if Iran doesn’t help Russia’s ground forces alone can’t cope
      2. tracker
        tracker 28 September 2015 08: 18 New
        +1
        By the way about the offensive, on the video I practically did not see the use of mortars in Assad’s army. Either there are no specialists or no weapons, I think with the advent of "instructors" this situation will change. But it is not possible to smoke the Mujahideen only with small arms from urban buildings. Most likely, the most important nodes on the part of the terrorists are kept by mercenaries of Western private companies or even special forces
  5. james
    james 27 September 2015 08: 53 New
    +2
    The author raised the right topic. Maybe he doesn’t have data on the nomenclature of the supplied equipment, but one thing is clear, if the equipment is not prepared for local conditions, this will lead to increased losses, both of the material part and of the personnel. And this in turn will hit the prestige of Russia and its Armed forces, as well as the quality of Russian weapons, which will reduce their sales with all the ensuing consequences, for example, financial ones, which will immediately affect the development, testing and implementation of new models.
  6. Professor
    Professor 27 September 2015 08: 58 New
    0
    Are the Russian T-90A, T-72B3, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles ready for the Syrian campaign?

    No. Not ready. Where are the means of protection against land mines and ATGMs with an impact core?

    The Russian version of the T-90 has a sufficiently effective Shtora-1 optical-electronic suppression system that can neutralize anti-tank missile systems that militants have.

    Yeah. For example TOU. wassat



    If we talk about light armored vehicles, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles,

    Let's not raise this topic at all. sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 September 2015 09: 48 New
      -3
      ATGMs with a shock core - vryatli TOW 2B fighters in Syria delivered.
      1. Professor
        Professor 27 September 2015 09: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        ATGMs with a shock core - vryatli TOW 2B fighters in Syria delivered.

        What the bourgeois will not do in order to slander Russia. The T-90 will appear in Syria and the Javelins from the militias will immediately appear.
        1. Penetrator
          Penetrator 27 September 2015 10: 05 New
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          Quote: Professor

          What the bourgeois will not do in order to slander Russia. The T-90 will appear in Syria and the Javelins will immediately appear at militias.

          And who do you think is the "militia"? Let's define the terms. And even your American friends do not call the Syrian anti-government forces otherwise than “rebels”.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 27 September 2015 10: 45 New
            10
            Professor, somehow it will be so ...
            1. Professor
              Professor 27 September 2015 11: 37 New
              -19
              Quote: sabakina
              Professor, somehow it will be so ...

              Or so


              maybe so


              Quote: Denis_469
              Professor - international terrorists and Israeli complexes are there.

              For example?
              1. Aleks28
                Aleks28 27 September 2015 11: 45 New
                11
                Quote: Professor
                maybe so

                They shoved a landmine .... lol It’s like an adult, but he believes in fairy tales .. He especially smashed the first movie. A cheap installation .. Yes, they added akbar, the horseradish current was interrupted just after the car stopped. The answer is one: The carrier should have washed off ... wassatLook in the tube, there are real shots of the destruction of tanks and this farce has nothing to do with reality. PS: You can also find the destruction of your "unkillable" Merkava there.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 27 September 2015 11: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: Allex28
                  They shoved a landmine ....

                  Of course land mines. Especially in this one.

                  and in this
                  1. TOR2
                    TOR2 27 September 2015 21: 16 New
                    +3
                    Professor, showed your video "GoProt-72" to one tank guru. His verdict is 5 blunders of the crew. In general, the advisers have plenty of work.
              2. Aleks28
                Aleks28 27 September 2015 11: 51 New
                +9
                Quote: Professor
                Or so

                laughing Like this .. Or say the same, that the real frames of destruction.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 27 September 2015 12: 00 New
                  -5
                  Quote: Allex28
                  of this .. Or say the same, that the real frames of destruction.

                  Let's leave cartoons aside.
                  1. Aleks28
                    Aleks28 27 September 2015 12: 04 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Professor

                    Let's leave cartoons aside.

                    But you first started showing cartoons, so I connected, I found the blackest current, so that no one would have doubts.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 27 September 2015 12: 05 New
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                      Quote: Allex28
                      But you first started showing cartoons, so I connected, I found the blackest current, so that no one would have doubts.

                      I did not upload cheap computer graphics to you. Watch the video of the Abkhaz agency. Graphic arts? wink
                      1. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 27 September 2015 12: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Watch the video of the Abkhaz agency. Graphic arts?

                        These are real shots, only mounted from different sources, and now compare with the first video ...
                      2. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 27 September 2015 12: 15 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        I did not upload cheap computer graphics to you. Watch the video of the Abkhaz agency. Graphic arts?

                        That's the same not the graphics, only the Merkava was lucky, his old RPG-7s rushed
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 27 September 2015 13: 18 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Allex28
                        That's the same not the graphics, only the Merkava was lucky, his old RPG-7s rushed

                        And how did the "expert" determine what they shot? wink

                        Quote: Allex28
                        here is the same not the graphics. So the "old" 72ka reacts to the RPG-7.

                        Like an expert. RPG-7 made out. lol

                        Quote: Allex28
                        These are real shots, only mounted from different sources, and now compare with the first video ...

                        Compare. AND?
                      4. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 27 September 2015 13: 44 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor

                        Compare. AND?

                        Draw a conclusion, well, do not shove get along any more .. hi
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 27 September 2015 14: 25 New
                        -6
                        Quote: Allex28
                        Draw a conclusion, well, do not shove get along any more ..

                        Done. In all three cases, detonation of ammunition.
                      6. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 27 September 2015 14: 57 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Professor

                        Done. In all three cases, detonation of ammunition.

                        Yep ... laughing Especially at the target .... Professor! I beg you ...
                      7. Professor
                        Professor 27 September 2015 15: 00 New
                        -7
                        Quote: Allex28
                        Yeah ... Especially at the target .... Professor! I beg you ...

                        Yeah. And the target was equipped with ammunition. Here it is.
                      8. sabakina
                        sabakina 27 September 2015 15: 15 New
                        +6
                        Prefessor, why are you targeting and targeting? In real life, the bench press point?
                      9. Professor
                        Professor 27 September 2015 15: 24 New
                        -12
                        Quote: sabakina
                        Prefessor, why are you targeting and targeting? In real life, the bench press point?

                        Please

                        If you have me personally, then I have another military specialty. More precisely, other military specialties. But there is no doubt that if the opportunity presents itself, I will gladly send 3-4 tankers to Allah.
                      10. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 27 September 2015 15: 39 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Professor
                        If you have me personally, then I have another military specialty. More precisely, other military specialties. But there is no doubt that if the opportunity presents itself, I will gladly send 3-4 tankers to Allah.

                        And in this video, as I understand it, BKs detonated at a car parked next to it ... laughing And as I say on tanks: How many merkavas were sold abroad? Answer: NOT ONE !!!! belay The best tank and nobody buys ... You don’t say that you didn’t sell. You tried, but no one takes it. Now it’s like a contract is brewing, but again it’s only brewing. And at the same price do not say. Those who buys weapons they have money and it’s enough, so that this fact speaks for itself.
                      11. Vladimir 1964
                        Vladimir 1964 27 September 2015 18: 21 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Allex28
                        How many merkavas were sold abroad? Answer: NOT ONE !!!! The best tank and nobody buys ... You don’t say that you didn’t sell. You tried, but no one takes it. Now it’s like a contract is brewing, but again it’s only brewing. And at the same price do not say. Those who buys weapons they have money and it’s enough, so that this fact speaks for itself.

                        Sasha, cool YOU with the Professor, dive.
                        But the comment is not about that. Let me disagree with you about, so to speak, Merkava sales.
                        According to the review of our website, Merkava is characterized by rather peculiar properties defined by the customer and caused to a certain extent by external conditions. That is, simply put, the tank is “imprisoned” under exclusively Israeli conditions, it means weight, low mobility, the presence of a “cargo compartment in the stern, and increased concern for armor penetration. Add to this the lack of the ability to overcome water barriers. And a fairly high the cost, as a result of a rather small production of serial vehicles, with all this, he suits the Israeli military, but he was never put into operation by the type of "best" tanks as serious specialists, although his originality and supposedly "incredible armor protection" were always noted, which turned out to be completely true, but as for the survival of the crew, according to the data of the Israeli press again, it meets the requirements for the car.

                        Well, like that, colleague. request
                    2. sabakina
                      sabakina 27 September 2015 18: 17 New
                      +4
                      Professor, if the opportunity arises, I ... I'm sorry, I immediately thought that you were talking about us, Russians ... And what, the soldiers of Allah have to fig tanks? And then, it would be interesting to know your military specialties ...
                      Let’s say, for example, I am a general tractor operator, I operate an excavator up to 0,1 cc, I haven’t served in the army, but I know what a left clutch is ... And what about AK .... continue arguing boom?
                    3. Professor
                      Professor 27 September 2015 20: 13 New
                      -9
                      Quote: sabakina
                      . And what, the soldiers of Allah to fig tanks?

                      Enough. Nowadays, Hezbollah has acquired a couple of dozens of tanks. It seems to me from the Syrian express.

                      Quote: sabakina
                      And then, it would be interesting to know your military specialties ...

                      Already discussed.
              3. Aleks28
                Aleks28 27 September 2015 15: 23 New
                +3
                Quote: Professor

                Yeah. And the target was equipped with ammunition. Here it is.

                They shoved a land mine, but they took off the protection .. I’ll believe it. Amerikos experts put dust in their eyes .. Stop giving out what you wish for real. I showed you a movie from real military operations, and you’re all amer’s performances ...
              4. Professor
                Professor 27 September 2015 15: 33 New
                -5
                Quote: Allex28
                They shoved a land mine, but they took off the protection .. I’ll believe it. Amerikos experts put dust in their eyes .. Stop giving out what you wish for real. I showed you a movie from real military operations, and you’re all amer’s performances ...


                Before the war in Syria, this video was discussed thousands of times and there were people like you who claimed that the tank was detonated remotely. However, now that there are hundreds of commercials with similar behavior that have no analogues in the world of tanks, doubting units.

                By the way, tell me how I never once tanker. How can I cram a landmine and remove protection? wink
              5. Aleks28
                Aleks28 27 September 2015 15: 46 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                By the way, tell me how I never once tanker. How can I cram a landmine and remove protection?

                Playful pens, pens .. I don’t agree with you about the remote blasting. The explosion occurred just from the hit, but with the help of V.V. Dai, if you really look at things, then Merkava just didn’t get hit even once. Palestinians have normal anti-tank weapons. Americans are for you, not for them .. request ISIS has (of course), but the Palestinians do not. what
              6. Professor
                Professor 27 September 2015 15: 52 New
                -4
                Quote: Allex28
                ISIS has (of course), but the Palestinians do not.

                I’ll feed a couple more times. What is Daesh that Palestinians don’t have?

                PS
                Maybe it’s not stuffed with a land mine, but with explosives? Do you know the difference? wink Landmines in particular are made of shells, and so this tank was stuffed with regular shells. According to your landmines. lol


                And how is there to remove the "protection"?
              7. Aleks28
                Aleks28 27 September 2015 16: 08 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                I’ll feed a couple more times. What is Daesh that Palestinians don’t have?

                Yes, the Palestinians don’t have anything !! Somewhere in the market they bought a couple of old RPGs and that’s all ... request God forbid, they get into the hands of modern anti-tank equipment and blaze merkava ....
                Quote: Professor
                so this tank was stuffed with regular shells.

                You’ve outfitted yourself? Oh professor, don’t sort it out. I understand that you really want to prove the worthlessness of the t-72 ... 90, but hold on to at least what you see, but somehow the Sun has already dragged into space ... stop
              8. Professor
                Professor 27 September 2015 16: 11 New
                -5
                Quote: Allex28
                Yes, the Palestinians don’t have anything !! Somewhere in the market they bought a couple of old RPGs and that’s all ... God forbid, they get into their hands modern anti-tank weapons and blaze merkava ....

                They already have cornets and vampires. So what? wink
              9. Aleks28
                Aleks28 27 September 2015 16: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                They already have cornets and vampires. So what?

                Evidence to the studio! We’ll do a look. I haven’t seen such information yet. There would have been vampire corners, there would have been wrecked tanks.
              10. Professor
                Professor 27 September 2015 20: 03 New
                -5
                Quote: Allex28
                Evidence to the studio! We’ll do a look. I haven’t seen such information yet. There would have been vampire corners, there would have been wrecked tanks.

                The Falistynians lie? wink
              11. Aleks28
                Aleks28 27 September 2015 20: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                The Falistynians lie?

                Professor !!!! Do not distort! Do you think that I will support the terror? You are deeply mistaken ... But in this photo there is no bassoon, like wrecked tanks, but for those who did it burn in hell !!!, but the facts are stubborn, so that in the studio ... I’ll digress from the rules, put a minus to the opponent.
              12. Professor
                Professor 27 September 2015 20: 17 New
                -6
                Quote: Allex28
                . I will deviate from the rules, put the opponent minus.

                Me to your minus ... wassat

                You generally swim shallow and not at all in the subject. Spread the video, so to speak, to poke your nose at ...? wink
              13. Aleks28
                Aleks28 27 September 2015 20: 26 New
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                You generally swim shallow and not at all in the subject. Spread the video, so to speak, to poke your nose at ...?

                Sorry, I do not like speculation on this topic, but .... This only proves that he is a stupid person and moreover complete. hi
              14. Aleks28
                Aleks28 27 September 2015 20: 31 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                Me to your minus ...

                And your minus means something to me. stop
              15. Professor
                Professor 27 September 2015 20: 34 New
                -3
                Quote: Allex28
                And your minus means something to me.

                I do not put cons.
                The question is valid: And how is it to remove the "protection"? lol
              16. Aleks28
                Aleks28 27 September 2015 21: 00 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                I do not put cons.

                I know that.
                Quote: Professor
                The question is valid: And how is it to remove the "protection"?

                I, as I understand it, that you all go to grandmothers .. lol
              17. Professor
                Professor 28 September 2015 06: 35 New
                -3
                Quote: Allex28
                I, as I understand it, that you all go to grandmothers ..

                Last time I stop feeding. And how is there to remove the "protection"?
              18. Aleks28
                Aleks28 28 September 2015 06: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Last time I stop feeding. And how is there to remove the "protection"?

                I said: CONSPIRACY ... laughing Kindergarten to God ... wassat
              19. Professor
                Professor 28 September 2015 06: 49 New
                -1
                Quote: Allex28
                I also said: CONSPIRACY ... Det. Garden to her God ..

                You are Mr. Troll, caught in a lie. I won’t feed you anymore. Feed yourself elsewhere. hi
              20. Aleks28
                Aleks28 28 September 2015 16: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                You are Mr. Troll, caught in a lie. I won’t feed you anymore. Feed yourself elsewhere.

                Beautiful turn ... I’m also a Troll. I’m idle talk .. request
  7. anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 27 September 2015 21: 47 New
    +7
    Listen here, you wise guy, you got it with your unparalleled one, you follow your mercenary, you have already traveled in Lebanon for 2 days 42 tanks, and Hezbollah had no aviation or artillery! hid behind mattresses and hollow those who can’t answer weakly Turks answer? weakly! for the pace in a knot on the ass will tie how many under-made tanks and the Jews went for export? answer 0 and t 90 the best-selling tank in the world and he won the tender in India in the competition with abrams and leopard
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 September 2015 19: 46 New
    -1
    Israel will break the Turks for the most I do not want! Turks with aviation are a bit crap, phantoms still fly and export F-16s. And Israel has modern aviation standards like the United States.
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 September 2015 19: 51 New
    +2
    Colleagues that you swear. Israel monitors the entry of modern weapons to all its neighbors and does not hesitate to destroy them when they are delivered. Therefore, it deals mainly with not the most modern products. Put Merkava 1,2,3 with BC on the landfill and launch ATGM TOU 2. Do you think the picture will look different?
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 September 2015 19: 51 New
    0
    Colleagues that you swear. Israel monitors the entry of modern weapons to all its neighbors and does not hesitate to destroy them when they are delivered. Therefore, it deals mainly with not the most modern products. Put Merkava 1,2,3 with BC on the landfill and launch ATGM TOU 2. Do you think the picture will look different?
  11. Aleks28
    Aleks28 27 September 2015 12: 46 New
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    I did not upload cheap computer graphics to you

    And here is the same not the graphics. So the "old" 72ka reacts to RPG-7. The comparison is clearly not on the Merkava side. In justification, we can only say that the 72nd got into the frontal projection. The first wipe in my opinion from Java, but it’s hard to see, and the second one is exactly RPG-7
  12. aws4
    aws4 1 October 2015 00: 20 New
    +2
    at least here your verbiage is confirmed ... on the video, anyone who knows a little about weapons can see that the first shot that is supposedly hard to see and maybe it's Javelin ... you can see very well that this is neither Javelin nor even any other ptur and this is an easel grenade launcher well, but where are you there rpg7 supposedly precisely made out finally it’s not clear apparently identified by the explosion of a grenade))))))))))))))))))) well, do not be clever dear, put a bunch in she sat down and the fact that the pluses put by you amateurs, patriots is so for the kids ....
  13. anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 27 September 2015 14: 41 New
    +4
    only in Syria exported tons of 72 they have significant differences from those that go into their army armored protection of tons of 90 is significantly increased in comparison with tanks of the previous generation of tons of 90 modern dynamic protection there with tons of 72 general only layout
  • aws4
    aws4 29 September 2015 21: 28 New
    +2
    I agree with the professor of cartoons off the air ...... minus you dear Allex28 .... on the other hand, everyone understands what tasks and when the Soviet armored vehicles were made and even the modernized T72 and T 90 carry a whole bunch of inherited flaws and constantly show frames how they are also harnessed it’s somehow not nice to look at .... and yet to the professor + he looks sober and pragmatic as always .... it would be different I think there wouldn’t be a need for t14 it would cost perfectly 72-90
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 30 September 2015 15: 44 New
      0
      Quote: aws4
      I agree with the professor of cartoons off the air ...... minus you dear Allex28

      In order not to look ridiculous, you need to read all the correspondence. I don’t put a minus. You yourself have already been punished with worthless comments ... hi
      1. aws4
        aws4 30 September 2015 18: 34 New
        +2
        I read the entire correspondence from beginning to end ..... if you are not verbiage in essence, please .... although as I see it from the correspondence, you do not write anything except chatter ... specifically where are the facts ???????? ??????? and please no more cartoons
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 30 September 2015 21: 45 New
          0
          Quote: aws4
          I read the entire correspondence from beginning to end ..... if you are not verbiage in essence, please .... although as I see it from the correspondence, you do not write anything except chatter ... specifically where are the facts ???????? ???????

          What facts? Have you even understood what this is about? Are you our upstart?
        2. aws4
          aws4 30 September 2015 23: 59 New
          +2
          you have a good position to answer a question with a question ... so I will follow your manner of communication .... I forgive you upstart because you are poorly educated, as I understood, and you know this very well, you just dodge, well, let's start with facts from small 1- specifically what is the worthlessness of my comment and to what images did I punish myself? 2 what is the difference between detonation of ammunition in tanks in Chechnya, for example, from the detonation that was shown in the production video ???? Did you personally see in reality the detonation of the ammunition at T72 ???? I highlighted the key question since I personally saw it and not on the video ...
        3. Aleks28
          Aleks28 1 October 2015 00: 02 New
          0
          Quote: aws4
          I highlighted the key question since I personally saw it and not on the video ...

          Well, it seems?
        4. aws4
          aws4 1 October 2015 00: 24 New
          +2
          I can’t say exactly how much it looks like, but the fact that the tower flies away and for a long time I confirm ....
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 27 September 2015 11: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    For example?

    Nothing about a rocket like the "Lahat" did not hear? And they say she was seen on 1 of our BDKs leaving Syria.
    1. Professor
      Professor 27 September 2015 12: 01 New
      -6
      Quote: Denis_469
      Nothing about a rocket like the "Lahat" did not hear? And they say she was seen on 1 of our BDKs leaving Syria.

      What is the relationship between Lahat and BDK leaving Syria? Where is she from Syria?
      1. Denis_469
        Denis_469 27 September 2015 12: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        What is the relationship between Lahat and BDK leaving Syria?

        They take out captured weapons and captured ammunition.

        Quote: Professor
        Where is she from Syria?

        It is clear from where - from Israel. Do not you remember that a year ago, approximately a Syrian patrolman sank an Israeli pl while unloading ammunition and weapons from it in Syria? So - then they were waiting for her there. And after its sinking, the terrorists and Israeli instructors banged, and seized all the weapons.
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 September 2015 14: 34 New
          -3
          Quote: Denis_469
          It is clear from where - from Israel. Do not you remember that a year ago, approximately a Syrian patrolman sank an Israeli pl while unloading ammunition and weapons from it in Syria? So - then they were waiting for her there. And after its sinking, the terrorists and Israeli instructors banged, and seized all the weapons.

          Actually captured the Israeli nuclear submarines with ICBMs. The crew at expense. Video on YouTube.
          1. Denis_469
            Denis_469 27 September 2015 14: 43 New
            +4
            Let’s not telling me about submarines?
          2. Professor
            Professor 27 September 2015 14: 47 New
            -3
            Quote: Denis_469
            Let’s not telling me about submarines?

            You started first.
          3. Denis_469
            Denis_469 27 September 2015 14: 50 New
            +3
            Why should I lie? Dive and look at the wreckage of the Israeli pl off the coast of Syria. The depth there is really 150 meters. Although Israel used to lie and deny its losses.
          4. Professor
            Professor 27 September 2015 14: 52 New
            -9
            Quote: Denis_469
            Why should I lie? Dive and look at the wreckage of the Israeli pl off the coast of Syria. The depth there is really 150 meters. Although Israel used to lie and deny its losses.

            So and I about it. The submarine there at the bottom lies with a note in the pocket of the commander of the warhead-5. Dive and look at the wreckage of the Israeli pl off the coast of Syria. The depth there is really 150 meters.
          5. Denis_469
            Denis_469 27 September 2015 14: 54 New
            +3
            This is the usual Israeli nonsense about the atomic square. But nuclear weapons were there - 5 Popeye cruise missiles with nuclear warheads. Because of this, our fleet conducted a deep-sea operation there. But Israeli lies are not interesting to me. Look for another sucker to tell you that Israel did not lose submarines.
          6. Professor
            Professor 27 September 2015 14: 56 New
            -5
            Quote: Denis_469
            Look for another sucker to tell you that Israel did not lose submarines.

            Why another? I have already found and tell him about the lost Israeli nuclear submarine off the coast of Syria.
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          8. atalef
            atalef 27 September 2015 16: 36 New
            -2
            Quote: Denis_469
            But nuclear weapons were there - 5 Popeye cruise missiles with nuclear warheads

            not 5, but 6 bully
            and not rockets, but torpedoes
            Quote: Denis_469
            Because of this, our fleet carried out a deep-sea operation there

            Not deep, but shallow wassat
            Quote: Denis_469
            But Israeli lies are not interesting to me.

            Yes, not all, however, only 2 boats were sunk at the same time, one weapon was unloaded, and the second loaded it back.
            Quote: Denis_469
            Look for another sucker to tell you that Israel did not lose submarines.

            Why lost, only found laughing
        2. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 27 September 2015 21: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          So and I about it. The submarine there at the bottom lies with a note in the pocket of the commander of the warhead-5. Dive and look at the wreckage of the Israeli pl off the coast of Syria. The depth there is really 150 meters.

          Professor, this is a drain. Getting old.
  • deduly1957
    deduly1957 28 September 2015 12: 14 New
    0
    But is Israel have nuclear submarines and ICBMs?
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 27 September 2015 14: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: Denis_469
    And they say they saw her

    "They say that chickens are milked" hi
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 27 September 2015 14: 26 New
      0
      Well, who says chickens are milked. And who says that just France blew up one of our Mistral and he is drowning in the database right now: http://sovpl.forum1.ru/?24-1-1-0-00000150-000-40#0

      So I don’t need to talk about who knows what.
  • Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 27 September 2015 17: 01 New
    +1
    Professor, you are here again planting heresy)))
    Merkava burns no worse))
    https://youtu.be/qQaTIJ_uoA4
    1. Professor
      Professor 27 September 2015 20: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: Ramzaj99
      Merkava burns no worse))

      Is it you that you determined by primary or secondary sexual characteristics that it was Merkava? wink
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 27 September 2015 21: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Is it you that you determined by primary or secondary sexual characteristics that it was Merkava?

        Professor you disappoint me ......
        Turn into a dumb troll.
        All tanks are on fire, except for the t-90. he has not fought yet.
        They burn and t-72 merkava burn worse, and Abrams in Iraq, only according to official figures they burned about 1200.
        So do not include the fool, in front of modern anti-tank systems are all equal.
        1. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 27 September 2015 21: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Ramzaj99
          Is it you that you determined by primary or secondary sexual characteristics that it was Merkava?

          Here is Professor Greetings from Wiki.

          Israel suffered the greatest losses on August 12, during the offensive of the 401th brigade, equipped with Merkava Mk.4 tanks, through the Saluki river towards the village of Randuriya. Also, during this maneuver, the first confirmed case of using the Kornet-E ATGM was recorded [65]. Of the 24 tanks participating in the offensive, 11 were hit by anti-tank missiles, and eight crew members died. [66]

          A total of 48-52 Merkava tanks received combat damage (half [12] of those used, according to other sources, up to 10% [32]). Of this number, 45 tanks were hit by ATGMs and RPG grenades. 51 missiles hit the tanks. In 24 cases (47-50% of the number of hits), the cumulative jet pierced the armor of the tanks. Killed 31 fighter of armored forces, including 30 tank crews
          During the conflict in southern Lebanon in the fall of 1997, three Merkava-3 tanks were shot down with the help of the Fagot ATGM, 2 crew members were killed. [71]

          On February 14, 2002, Merkava-3 was destroyed as a result of a blast in a powerful landmine near the Karmi-Nitsarim road in the Gaza Strip. Three of the four crew members died. [72] [73] [74] On March 14, 2002, another Merkava Mk.3 was destroyed in the area, 3 of 4 crew members were killed [74]. The third Merkava Mk.2 was destroyed on September 5, near Gush Katif, 1 crew member was killed and 3 wounded. [74] [75]
          According to a Hezbollah [76] [77] radio station, An-Nur, Israeli data on losses were greatly underestimated. The RIA Novosti news agency, under the same heading, also quoted An-Nur, according to which "an American report circulated in diplomatic missions in Lebanon claims that Israel’s official data on losses in Lebanon is very underestimated," and Israel actually lost 164 Merkava tanks
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        3. Professor
          Professor 28 September 2015 06: 45 New
          -2
          Quote: Ramzaj99
          Professor you disappoint me ......

          Am I disappointing you? How do I live now? And you also think that in the video with Abrams Merkava?



          Quote: Ramzaj99
          All tanks are on fire, except for the t-90. he has not fought yet.

          Open your eyes to see a pair of T-90s not far from your borders exactly where the fighting is taking place.

          Quote: Ramzaj99
          They burn and t-72 merkava burn worse, and Abrams in Iraq, only according to official figures they burned about 1200.

          Not worse, but better. Thanks AZ.

          Quote: Ramzaj99
          So do not include the fool, in front of modern anti-tank systems are all equal.

          Cornet modern ATGM? wink
          1. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 28 September 2015 12: 35 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Cornet modern ATGM?


            Wiki “Also, in the course of this maneuver, the first confirmed case of using the Kornet-E anti-tank missile system was registered. [65]. Of the 24 tanks participating in the offensive, 11 were hit by anti-tank missiles, eight crew members were killed. [66]"

            11 out of 24 in my opinion a good result, against the "most invincible")))))
          2. Professor
            Professor 28 September 2015 15: 02 New
            +1
            I repeat my question: Cornet modern ATGM?

          3. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 28 September 2015 17: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            I repeat my question: Cornet modern ATGM?

            Well, what should I see there ??? Drawn circles ??

            And about the question .... If the natives were able to use them at once to burn 11 merkav. Therefore, the answer suggests itself .....
            In addition, I do not know what is “modern” in your understanding.
            For example, RPG-7 was created in the late 50s. And the Americans put them into production this year and put some kind of ammunition in the mud. So is it modern ??
            I do not know if Cornet is modern or not for you, but effective it is a fact.
          4. Professor
            Professor 28 September 2015 17: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Ramzaj99
            I do not know if Cornet is modern or not for you, but effective it is a fact.

            The ice has broken. Here's how effective works.


            The video you provided supposedly with Merkava is actually with Abrams.


            Quote: Ramzaj99
            So do not include the fool, in front of modern anti-tank systems are all equal.

            It turns out not all. fellow
          5. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 28 September 2015 19: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            So do not include the fool, in front of modern anti-tank systems all are equal. Not all come out.

            To be honest, I don’t really understand what you mean ??
            If that Cornet can not break Merkava ??
            So this is nonsense, we can talk about this if the ATGM always hit the same spot on any tank. In any tank there are more protected or less protected places. A missile can damage the transmission compartment, and can get into the combat. Can tear the tank to shreds, and can get off the shell concussion.
            And about accuracy, there’s a full video where your favorite javilins fall 5 meters from the tank, or flies a couple of meters and falls.
            This does not mean anything.
          6. Professor
            Professor 28 September 2015 19: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Ramzaj99
            If that Cornet can not break Merkava ??

            Of course it can. There are no penetrable tanks, there are impenetrable idiots. However, there are tanks more protected and less protected.

            Quote: Ramzaj99
            And about accuracy, there’s a full video where your favorite javilins fall 5 meters from the tank, or flies a couple of meters and falls.

            Show at least one video.
          7. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 28 September 2015 19: 55 New
            0
            Here is a quote from the ISRAEL military department:
            "In total, during the conflict, 45 tanks were hit by ATGMs and RPG grenades, 51 missiles hit the tanks. In 24 cases (47% of the number of hits), the cumulative jet pierced the armor of the tanks."
            Professor 50 percent of penetration is not enough for you ????????
            And this was still considered along with the RPG !!!
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      3. aws4
        aws4 29 September 2015 21: 42 New
        +2
        Sorry, but here he is right in the video, nothing is visible and not clear, and even if it were visible where it was shown that this is a carnet ??????????
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  • Hemdall
    Hemdall 28 September 2015 18: 10 New
    +1

    A similar video is written that the tank Abrams - ATGM "Competition".
  • Professor
    Professor 28 September 2015 18: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Heymdall
    A similar video is written that the tank Abrams - ATGM "Competition".

    Here is the original. These are Saudi Abrams and Iran’s ATGM.

    Houthi Rebels Destroy M1 Abrams Tanks With Basic Iranian Guided Missiles
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  • Wal
    Wal 27 September 2015 20: 54 New
    +2
    Yes, with TOU there is clearly an advertising production.
  • Lieutenant colonel
    Lieutenant colonel 28 September 2015 11: 52 New
    0
    Professor - didn’t they embarrass you in the first video you presented in this block?
    But I saw a completely unprotected car. If the mekkawa is "torn off" - maybe the PTRD is suitable for her? Have not you thought? Or is your steel stronger than ours?
    1. Professor
      Professor 28 September 2015 14: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Lieutenant Colonel
      But I saw a completely unprotected car.

      Develop a thought. What kind of protection is there?
  • Phoeniks
    Phoeniks 21 October 2015 12: 37 New
    0
    professor the second video with javelin is completely nonsense since even you yourself admitted that when they shot the t-72 bomb, it was mined in advance and stuffed dofig explosives in order to have a beautiful and effective blast. About 1 video of yours, it is possible and true if you got into BC. Do not believe everything that is on the Internet and on TV. smile
  • Professor
    Professor 27 September 2015 11: 33 New
    -14
    Quote: Penetrator
    Who do you think is "militia"? Let's define the terms.

    Clearly who. Those who fight with government troops are militias. Lavrov ask. He will confirm.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 September 2015 11: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      . Lavrov ask. He will confirm.

      ISIS is it militias or Alnusra? Americans constantly say that there is moderate opposition, but so far I have not seen videos from it.
    2. Aleks28
      Aleks28 27 September 2015 12: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: Professor

      Clearly who. Those who fight with government troops are militias. Lavrov ask. He will confirm.

      I see you draw parallels with Ukraine? Well, well, let's do it. Syria: An attempt to overthrow the legal leadership failed, the opposition project was launched. Ukraine: The coup was successful. The power came as a result of the coup. Separate regions did not recognize the coup and remained loyal to the legitimate government. We’ll omit the scriptwriters (everyone knows who) Somehow your comparisons are no good ..
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 27 September 2015 14: 31 New
      +8
      Prefessor, when do you want to avoid getting a 5-letter human organ, what are you doing? Right, run? You showed us a standing tank and are glad that you say that Java is cooler than your balls?
      Have you been to Kursk? And I wasn’t, but I remember there was an order "Do not stop"!
      Do not tell me what it was connected with? Vows You are our ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 27 September 2015 14: 46 New
        -1
        Quote: sabakina
        Prefessor, when do you want to avoid getting a 5-letter human organ, what are you doing? Right, run?

        No. Nowhere to retreat. Behind Jerusalem.

        Quote: sabakina
        You showed us a standing tank and are glad that you say that Java is cooler than your balls?

        And where did I say that? I like Spike better. However, neither the T-72 nor the T-90 are protected from Javelin who is guaranteed to break through their armor.

        Quote: sabakina
        Have you been to Kursk? And I was not, but I remember there was an order "Do not stop!"
        Do not tell me what it was connected with? Vows You are our ...

        What are you talking about? wink
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 27 September 2015 14: 49 New
          +2
          The fact that the "brick on the gas pedal" ... The standing tank is a dead tank!
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 27 September 2015 14: 46 New
        +3
        And the prefessor ...
        If the Syrian tankers trudge from the T-72, what will happen to them from the T-90? Are you there, this, prepare the peaceful, but then, is it not enough?
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 27 September 2015 10: 55 New
    +5
    Professor - international terrorists and Israeli complexes are there. They were also captured or bought and taken out for testing to us. So in a year, your Israeli weapons will become rubbish again. And if there is still your newest weapon, then supply it to Syrian terrorists. It will be useful to us for testing and improving our weapons and equipment. And we will somehow agree with the terrorists to buy up modern weapons or seize them if they turn out to be inconsistent.
  • anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 27 September 2015 14: 36 New
    +8
    is the bearded beast cutting off people's heads these are militias? and why is it that Israel reacts so calmly to the appearance of modern ptur and mankind among the Islamists? when Hezboll's cornets lit up, the squeal was all over the world, and the need for silence and igil!
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 27 September 2015 14: 53 New
      +7
      Moisha is not to blame, Moisha was deceived ...
  • tracker
    tracker 28 September 2015 08: 24 New
    0
    Surely let's go
  • Lieutenant colonel
    Lieutenant colonel 28 September 2015 11: 46 New
    -1
    Yeah professor - you're absolutely right. The Syrian army has Russian weapons. Now, if the t-72B (modifications with contact and without active protection) bad Russia had kosher merkavs, then of course tohhhhh - and the tou and other javelins would not have been able to cope with them. And the fact that the abrams of block 3 are burning from RPG-7, in addition, and the Merkava suffer from a hit - this is how the stars formed wrong that day. I’ll tell you as a tanker - in your video, a number of tanks are old t-62s. May God grant that they have contact 3.
    And with proper use in skillful hands, and HR balalaika.
  • Denis_469
    Denis_469 27 September 2015 10: 50 New
    +5
    Delivered. We have already thanked the Americans, for several complexes with ammunition donated to us by terrorists. Well, or not quite donated, but captured from them. Sometimes bought. And Tou with the shock core and the Javelins ... We wanted to get them through Ukraine, but the United States came up against. Therefore received through Syria. We ask you to put ISIS the latest American weapons. We will really need it to test and improve our technology.
  • Aleks28
    Aleks28 27 September 2015 18: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Let's not raise this topic at all.

    God, what a cheap nonsense !!! Have you watched these videos yourself? This is purely shot for the owner. Or as soon as you hear "Allah wak bar", you fall into a stupor. But here at least (in some cases) a real detonation is shown, and not that what your coconut PR people show. yes
  • Tarh and Tara
    Tarh and Tara 28 September 2015 00: 24 New
    0
    The video is impressive. Sorry for the tank.
  • Michael_59
    Michael_59 28 September 2015 20: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Professor
    in general
    where does the "curtain".
    1. Professor
      Professor 28 September 2015 20: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Michael_59
      where does the "curtain".

      How can the "curtain" protect against TOU?
  • Yurievich
    Yurievich 27 September 2015 08: 58 New
    -2
    Our army and navy, created primarily for defense, are well suited for the Syrian company by the Foreign Ministry and the latest aviation. Download shit and punish rebellious aborigines like pindos, the current is not clear until the end why the Chinese pulled themselves
  • bionik
    bionik 27 September 2015 09: 19 New
    +7
    Additional side screens on the BMP -2.
    ... a set of lattice screens ... armor steel screens ... (c)I’m wondering why they didn’t do this before in Chechnya? Everything new is a well-forgotten old. Afghanistan 1987.
    1. Yurievich
      Yurievich 27 September 2015 09: 35 New
      -8
      In Ichkeria, the task was to dispose of the equipment and successfully dispose of it, or maybe they sold it to the left who knows, our Czechs fell, our Czechs, birds are rare but the sea of ​​rpgeshek, wild times, as in blind manners - accumulation of initial capital, their 90s mother.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 27 September 2015 13: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: bionik
        - This is a well-forgotten old.

        That's for sure...
        why not adopt the OLD ((war in Angola in 80's))), world experience / South Africa ...

        the latest Russian MLRS Tornado-G (Grad), Ural chassis, generally WITHOUT armor and mine protection !!!
        when advancing to a firing position, but may be ambushed or undermined by IEDs.

        "Valkiri" Mk.II / "Bataleur" ((in the 1985 year in South Africa, work began on the creation of a new generation 127-mm MLRS - Valkiri Mk.II, mass production from the 1989 year))), 127-mm MLRS South Africa: four-seater armored vehicle with mine protection... South Africa technology, sell and I think not for expensive ...
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 27 September 2015 09: 33 New
    +6
    Why so many people like to mix warm with soft?

    What, Lev Romanov could not write more competent material?

    Just put everything together and ... threw it on the Internet.
    It turned out: "half-agitation for grandmothers in the gateway or half-wisdom of Comrade Leo."

    It’s just annoying to read: the most serious thing in the article is the title itself.
    Heh.
    request
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 27 September 2015 09: 45 New
      13
      Lyosha, hello! drinks
      I filmed your lecture here a little winked : Impressed ... sad
      1. Yurievich
        Yurievich 27 September 2015 09: 58 New
        -6
        A lesson from the mechanics of armata))), these backfires knee-deep can disfigure not only enemies but also your own army, bast shoes, 19th century, modernizers are bad,
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        2. WUA 518
          WUA 518 27 September 2015 11: 00 New
          11
          Quote: Yuryevich
          these knee-highs can disfigure not only

          I invite fans of American chobots to visit. Wellcome.
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 27 September 2015 10: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: wicked partisan
        I filmed your lecture here a little

        Hello to the Partisans.
        fellow
        Not ... not my lecture, BUT - a dozen CORRECT.
        drinks
    2. cosmos111
      cosmos111 27 September 2015 11: 55 New
      +6
      hi Lesh hi

      Quote: Aleks tv
      It turned out: "half-agitation for grandmothers in the gateway or half-wisdom of Comrade Leo."

      I agree with this ...
      1. On tanks, you better speak out, READY, or NOT READY ... YOU are special ... YOU fought in Chechnya ...

      2.on light armored vehicles BTR-80 / 82, BMP-1,2,3-definitely NO !!! ((no mine protection, situational awareness devices, etc.))) strengthen additional ... reservation of the bottom ... at the top hemisphere / roof BBM harder ...
      There are inventions and they are patented, you only need the will of the political and military leadership of the Russian Federation ...
      The invention relates to an armored car with shield-shaped internal armor, including lateral protection in the field of wheels and the upper armor connected to it, protecting the driver and passengers, by which the internal bottom plate is fixed at a distance above the area of ​​the bottom of the internal armor.
      From the inventions of DE-A-19605230 and DE-A-19740103 it is known how the shield is mounted under the bottom of the vehicle to protect against mines. However, such a shield is not enough to protect against mines with high explosive strength, such as more than 6 kg of TNT.
      http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/237/2376549.html



      3.supply machines / logistics, supply of ammunition, fuel, food ((cabs should be all armored and with mine protection and everything including fuel should be transported in containers))) is but not in mass production ...
      . The invention relates to armored vehicles. An armored vehicle contains a transport platform fixed to the chassis, which has a power frame, an awning and sides equipped with armored panels, and a cabin equipped with armored panels and armored glass.
      Inside the cab there is a rigid welded roll cage fastened to the chassis and cab. Instead of a standard wooden beam, a steel U-shaped profile is installed between the car chassis and the transport platform. The floor of the transport platform is made of a composite multilayer armor and is located on top of the organoplastic plate and is mounted on the power frame of the transport platform using bolted connections. Inside the transport platform there is a rigid welded frame, fastened to the floor and made of hollow elements, on the lateral surfaces of which, with the help of steel corners and bolted joints, armored elements are fixed with the formation of an armored fighting compartment.
      http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/233/2338147.html


      4. Light patrol armored cars ...- ABSENT AS A CLASS ...

      5. Armored ... special forces deep reconnaissance and raid operations to eliminate the leaders of the militants and supply caravan-NO like CLASS ...
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 27 September 2015 14: 30 New
        +1
        special forces deep intelligence and raid operations


        OTT Technologies South Africa’s LSV Samil-20 Hunter Mk2 Light Strike Vehicle is a lightweight strike platform weighing 7,5 tons with the 4x4 wheel formula, designed for special forces and reconnaissance operations, where speed and maneuverability are of great importance ...
        armored car ...on the chassis of the Samil-20 truck ... here in Russia it is possible to produce the Mustang (4350x4) on the KamAZ-4 chassis

        armament: equipped, firepower can be a total of four 7,62 / 12,7 mm machine guns or 40-mm grenade launchers such as the AGS-17 ...
        клик

        1. Bochik
          Bochik 28 September 2015 00: 04 New
          +1
          Shooters in these pepelats Bushmen shoot from slingshots. Well, or there from the bows ...
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 28 September 2015 03: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: cosmos111
        1. On tanks, you'd better speak out, READY, or NOT READY ...

        Darova, Andrey.
        hi
        Duc for each Mazuta - has its own "fad" of wishes)))
        And if in general, then ... the language has already ground:

        Take the T-72B3 and ...
        - stick dvigl into it in a thousand horses of type B-92,
        - sort and strengthen the suspension and transmission as in the T-72BA,
        - install tricky hohoryashki from T-72Б2,
        - throw the fuck TKN-3 commander and replace it with the PNK T-90,
        - if they stuck another PNK, it means ... put a closed ZPU with the ROM-7 sight as on the T-80,
        - Strengthening the suspension and transmission (coupled with a thousand horses) will allow you to enjoy the all-round protection like the “city tank” from the Tagil exhibition-2013.

        EVERYTHING !!! Do not need anything else.. it’s even without a panorama to the commander (modestly smoking aside) - well, what for it, even if it’s stuck in the armor)))
        Lisaped - has long been invented, developed and operated.
        Crazy money here and does not smell.

        Why not do ???

        I do not know.
        It is necessary to ask the General Staff and the State Academic Bolshoi Technical University - can they have too wide stripes and they press the seat on the chair?
        How should I know...
        request

        ........

        Andrei - Hello brother, I would be glad to hear it.
        drinks
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 27 September 2015 11: 52 New
    +2
    For military operations in Syria, any tank of the Russian army is suitable, only you need to install an active defense system on the sent tanks. If I’m not mistaken, ISIS has Bassoons, Competitions, Cornets-E, and RPG-29.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 September 2015 16: 39 New
      0
      And ATGM TOW 2 with tandem warheads.
    2. atalef
      atalef 27 September 2015 16: 41 New
      -4
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      For military operations in Syria, any tank of the Russian army is suitable, only you need to install an active defense system on the sent tanks

      I have another question, how about having an air conditioner? Here are all Russian infantry fighting vehicles and tanks, this device is present and how difficult is it to install if necessary?
      Fighting at +45 is impossible without him.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 27 September 2015 18: 24 New
        +2
        Atalef, and you don’t think that u will happen in winter? Shikoka tama will be in C? Or are you used to F?
        1. BlackDragon
          BlackDragon 27 September 2015 20: 24 New
          -1
          In December at the sun can be up to 35 ++
  • kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 27 September 2015 12: 30 New
    +3
    at last! At least one sane analysis of the weapons in our army. And then already the victorious reports of cap-making patriots are tired of it. Theorists - damn it!
    The soldier must be protected!
    1. anti-Semite
      anti-Semite 27 September 2015 14: 48 New
      +1
      and what is wrong with Patriotism?
      1. kunstkammer
        kunstkammer 27 September 2015 20: 36 New
        +2
        and what is wrong with Patriotism?

        everything is in order with Patriotism - trouble with the patriots! Some right from the couch throw their hats at the fierce heap ...
        They do not care who will burn in a tank or car. The main thing is famously, in good shape and in a single system!
        Seen enough of these back in Soviet times.
        Then it’s for the battalion commanders to “write homeland of heroes,” and the main thing for them is to report correctly to the boss.
  • Massik
    Massik 27 September 2015 12: 40 New
    +5
    As they will apply, they will be so prepared. I haven’t noticed yet a single clip that the Israeli tank would stupidly stand or roll around in splendid isolation, in the middle of a platform or intersection as flat as a table. As for the modifications in the article, to destroy them with a well-coordinated squad in the presence of 2-3 ancient grenade launchers is not a particularly difficult task.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 27 September 2015 13: 19 New
      -2
      Quote: Marssik
      As they will apply, they will be so prepared


      Marseilles hi that in light armored vehicles BTR, BMP, BMD, BTR "Shell", "Tiger m" ...

      YOU have fought ... Your opinion, what needs to be modernized, what to buy ((for example, in South Africa and Namibia))) these will be sold ...

      ZU23-2, WerWolf Mk2, the Namibian company Windhoeker Maschinenfabrik (WMF) would be very useful ...


      and other armored cars ... of their production ...
      Wer'Wolf Mk 1. Wer'Wolf Mk II Wer'Wolf Mk III Turbo Wer'Werwolf Mk I

      MODULAR Wer'Werwolf Mk IV, 6X6 ...
      1. Massik
        Massik 27 September 2015 23: 19 New
        +1
        "fought" it is very loudly said, write a separate article on some kind of technical equipment necessary for our Army (now by the way there is a deficit, it’s entirely armored perls) there you could speculate ...
  • zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 27 September 2015 12: 45 New
    +3
    They significantly increase protection against jet grenades and bullets from caliber 7,62 mm and 12,7 mm

    From grenades probably yes, but from bullets, how?
  • Xroft
    Xroft 27 September 2015 13: 11 New
    +1
    The most logical action was simply to purchase about 15-20 vehicles in the maximum possible protection for launching combat operations, for example, in urban conditions (the same Tagil Breakthrough and variations of modernization of armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles) for the possibility of their use abroad. Create an expeditionary corps for I think that both in Ossetia and in future conflicts we can get involved in, for example, in Central Asia within the framework of the CSTO, this is extremely popular. And running new equipment (as part of advertising is just as effective, it’s easier to sell what has already shown itself and is in service even if in a small amount) and the use of maximum opportunities to save the crew and soldiers, and as the most important thing, is not as costly for the budget as a complete modernization of the entire fleet.
  • Xroft
    Xroft 27 September 2015 13: 13 New
    +3
    BMPT Terminator could also buy at least 5pcs. The machine was created for such conflicts, but not in service.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 27 September 2015 13: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Xroft
      BMPT Terminator could also buy at least 5pcs

      And a couple of Cheburators, I insist .. and better, of course, a dozen ..

      Quote: Xroft
      The machine was created for such conflicts, but not in service

      For good reason, it is not in service, believe me
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 27 September 2015 17: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        And a couple of Cheburators, I insist .. and better, of course, a dozen ..

        Cheburators are prohibited by the Hague Convention, like inhumane weapons, have you forgotten? Although, in principle, I am not opposed to their use as a weapon of retaliation, so by the way.
  • gallville
    gallville 27 September 2015 13: 19 New
    12
    The article raises the right questions.
    Who in their right mind will sit in a bald t-72b3? There are not dz, but some holes. And it has long been discussed.
    The fact that the BMP-2 and BTR-80 were stillborn offspring of the Soviet gloomy genius is also nothing to discuss. An armored personnel carrier falls under enemy fire, and no layouts and instructions of a military control unit from this can save. As well as BMP-2. Since, even at their creation, the saturation of funds has reached a modern level. Only their quality is changing. Here are just the BMP-2 and what kind of armored personnel carriers were.
    The same dragoon. Great car. Only 30 years late. And how many lives have you lost? The same contact-5, if he were in the 1st formidable how many people would remain alive? Obviously more than those who were in uncharged contact-1. Trite time for preparation was not enough. They put in contact-5 regretted the blocks, as a result, the tank is generally bald. And these topics need to be raised. Today Syria and a limited contingent, tomorrow the Caucasus. The same MP - 8 thousand for the whole of Russia! And their technique is BTR-82. Is that weapons? Where is the bmp-3f? That's right, in Indonesia !!! And at home?
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 27 September 2015 13: 31 New
    +5
    “I would also like to dwell on one point. The Russian T-90SAs were delivered to Algeria and Azerbaijan with modern highly efficient air conditioning systems. Unfortunately, the tanks that are in service with our army are not equipped with such systems. They are usually not available in light armored vehicles. "
    How we relate to our warriors - and so! (read above). Just some kind of chronic sadomasochiem. It is clear that "hardships and deprivations" must be firmly ...... But why create it initially? request
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 27 September 2015 16: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Bayonet
      How we relate to our warriors - and so! (read above). Just some kind of chronic sadomasochiem. It is clear that “hardships and hardships” must be firmly

      a system that is very difficult to break ... if they serve in the army of the Russian Federation, the children of the highest dignitaries and deputies, and DO NOT hide from the patriotic duty behind the hill !!!
      Quote: Bayonet
      ... But why create it initially?

      Conders should be laid, even at the STAGE of planning and development of the technical and technical characteristics of the BBM !!!

      I repeat, BUT: harsh everyday life of American special forces, hardships and deprivation of military service in SySyA good
    2. atalef
      atalef 27 September 2015 16: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Bayonet
      I also want to dwell on one point. Russian T-90SAs were delivered to Algeria and Azerbaijan with modern highly efficient air conditioning systems. Unfortunately, tanks in the arsenal of our army are not equipped with such a system. They, as a rule, are not even on light armored vehicles

      Hey . Sasha, you got ahead of me, this is the question I asked 5 minutes ago.
      No air conditioning and fight. Neither real
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 27 September 2015 17: 17 New
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        No air conditioning and fight. Neither real

        You relaxed there a little while in Israel. And how did we smash the Kwantung army without air conditioning before? And with the Arabs, oh, wei, how did you fight without Conders before? laughing
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 27 September 2015 18: 38 New
          +2
          And what do you take from them? It seems like they found the homeland and then there is no peace ... in one word, the prodigal ...
      2. Aleks28
        Aleks28 27 September 2015 18: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        No air conditioning and fight. Neither real

        I met the air conditioning system (although in the BTR) back in the 80s, as well as the special arctic ones. The layout depends on the zoning. Naturally you will not meet (if you served in central Russia) either configuration, but there is such a technique. It’s all the same, what to meet a sand coloring tank in Germany.
      3. Aleks28
        Aleks28 27 September 2015 20: 45 New
        0
        Hey . Sasha, you got ahead of me, this is the question I asked 5 minutes ago.
        No air conditioning and fight. Neither really [/ quote]
        [media = http: //] And I served in a caps.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 27 September 2015 23: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Allex28
          ] And I served in a cap.

          Are we in budenovki? Also in a cap! smile
      4. Bayonet
        Bayonet 27 September 2015 23: 13 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        No air conditioning and fight. Neither real

        Hi Sasha! I agree, the heat is exhausting, and putting a condo is not so difficult. You just need to think about a person. There were no toilets on transport planes - there’s nowhere to even cast! My friend flew on the An-12, with buckets! smile
  • Slevinst
    Slevinst 28 September 2015 11: 12 New
    +1
    The professor posted a lot of videos of the punched T72, there are much fewer impenetrable videos, because those who shot them do not upload such videos. everything is simple
    1. DimanC
      DimanC 28 September 2015 13: 26 New
      +1
      By the way, if you look, in fact, almost all the affected tanks at the time of the shelling were stationary, and for a long time. And if so, then this is not so much a jamb of the tank itself as a command (it doesn’t matter, vehicles or units).
  • Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 28 September 2015 12: 22 New
    0
    It would be nice to run around BMPTs, there are so many disputes, whether it is needed or not. The Syrians would say thank you, everything would become clear.
    1. CRASH
      CRASH 28 September 2015 15: 46 New
      0
      Those 5 people in her are dead, they won’t say thanks.
  • kplayer
    kplayer 28 September 2015 16: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: prosto_rgb
    ... less fat are very vulnerable ...

    Against expert opinion, KG, no arguing. Such ... even a clearly unsuccessful car will be crammed, if only it were "thicker".
    Quote: Bayonet
    Just some kind of chronic sadomasochiem.

    Exactly! Indians: a modified 2A46M-5 gun, a 1000-horsepower V-92C2 diesel engine, an Essa thermal imager (based on Catherine-FC, France), but: a V-84 series engine and a 2A46M-2 gun will pull it to a “reinforced” the tower and sides of the T-72B3 hull cannot be watched without tears, and how is it possible with the previous power unit?
  • Ivan the Fool
    Ivan the Fool 3 October 2015 16: 14 New
    +1
    Ready for ................ PARADE!