Winged legend: "Flying Kalashnikov"

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Winged legend: "Flying Kalashnikov"


Created over half a century ago, a Vietnam War veteran, the MiG-21 aircraft survived all of its “contemporaries” - and remained in the ranks
At the world's largest aerospace museum - the National Museum aviation and astronautics in Washington - there is a remarkable corner of the exposition. Side by side, having slightly turned their nasal intakes to each other, there are two implacable opponents: the American Phantom F-4 and the Soviet MiG-21. Eternal rivals, long-standing enemies, first encountering each other in the Vietnam War - and continuing the confrontation for more than two decades.

But it’s not the neighborhood itself that attracts attention, it just looks perfectly logical. Another thing is noteworthy: how much smaller, more compact and at the same time the light Soviet winged car looks more perfect against the background of its heavyweight rival. Looking at this neighborhood, you understand why the MiG-21, the Soviet pilots who earned the playfully respectful nickname “Balalaika”, and the “flying Kalashnikov” among the US and NATO forces, became the most massive supersonic aircraft in the world. Even at first glance, there is nothing superfluous, nothing accidental, nothing complicated or illogical - it is as simple and perfect in appearance as the Soviet AK. And with closer acquaintance, you understand how much these two symbols of the military power of the USSR - the MiG-21 and the AK - are similar to each other in simplicity and effectiveness of use.

So it is not surprising that the first Soviet jet fighter with a delta wing became the most massive supersonic combat aircraft in stories aviation. In total, almost 11,5 thousands of these machines were produced in the USSR, Czechoslovakia and India! Only these numbers are enough to justifiably call the MiG-21 fighter a record holder. But there are still at least 2500 aircraft manufactured under license in China under the symbol J7 (in the export version - F7). And this at the time, as the most massive American supersonic fighter - the very American "Phantom" - produced in an amount much smaller: 5195 machines.

At the same time, the MiG-21 became not only the most massive, but also one of the longest-lived third-generation jet fighters. Who made the first flight of 9 on January 1956 of the year, it is still in service in 18 countries. Most of the “twenty-first” remains in service in India: 264 aircraft, half of which have recently been modernized and will serve until the 2019 year. In second place is the country that has become the site of the baptism of aircraft: Vietnam. There "on service" still 124 MiG-21 of the last modifications. And its main rival, Phantom, is now serving only in Iran’s aviation, where 225 machines remain in the ranks.


The MiG-21 at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington is next to its American opponents F-4 (left) and F-105 (in the background, in camouflage colors). Photo: Sergey Antonov

"Twenty-first" against "Phantom"

The history of the MiG-21 should begin, perhaps, with the appearance of the first two prototypes - the E-2 with a swept wing and the E-4 with a triangular one. But in order to understand where and how the “twenty-first” has earned its amazing reputation, we will begin the story with the story of the first battles between these planes and their main opponent, Phantom.

Two enemies first met in the sky of Vietnam 23 on April 1966, and three days later the American Phantoms were the first to open a combat account, shooting down MiG-21 missiles. But despite the beginning, so successful for a heavy fighter, it was the appearance of the new MiG-21F-13 (the most massive modification of the first generation fighter) and the MiG-21PF-B (equipped with a radar sight interceptor in a tropical climate version) and lose the sense of impunity.

"Twenty-first" significantly exceeded the capabilities of their predecessors - Chinese-made Subsonic MiG-17Fs and the few MiG-15s received from the USSR. They had air-to-air missiles, were much faster and more maneuverable, and most importantly, skillfully used guidance tactics from ground-based radar posts. In addition, the new fighters made great use of the capabilities of their less high-speed counterparts, the "seventeenth". They were now assigned the role of beaters, displacing the "Phantoms" from low altitudes, where they had the advantage, to the middle ones, where the more maneuverable MiG-21 easily entered the tail of the F-4 and knocked them down.

By the way, it was the experience of using the MiG-21 in Vietnam that made the relying exclusively on the rocket weapon Soviet military leadership to reconsider the views and return the gun armament on the aircraft. Out of every 11 air-to-air C-5 Soviet air-to-air missiles, the target was initially hit by one or two, although the very fact of launching missiles from the rear hemisphere seriously frightened American pilots, forcing them to quickly get out of combat. But gun shells caliber 30 mm where rarely passed by. When the Vietnamese pilots began to receive in sufficient numbers Soviet guided R-3С missiles, they were K-13, the Soviet version of the AIM-9B Sidewinder missile that was armed with Phantom, the situation changed dramatically.

With this in mind, it is only natural that from May to December 1966, the Americans lost 47 aircraft in air battles, destroying only 12 enemy fighters. It all affected: the best maneuverability of the MiG-21 in turns compared with the F-4, and the best controllability of the Soviet fighter, and the greater thrust-to-weight ratio of the “twenty-first”. These advantages were balanced by the inadequate review of the MiG pilot, the weakness of the radar and the lack of development of missile weapons. As a result, in the first stage of the air war in Vietnam (from April 1965-th to November 1968-th), the advantage was left to the pilots of North Vietnam. In 268 air battles, they shot down an 244 American aircraft, losing just their 85. Among these losses were the 27 "Phantoms" - and only the 20 MiG-21. And during the last year of the war, 1972, an 201 air battle took place in the air over Vietnam, in which the Vietnamese fighter and the American 54 were lost. Among them, the 90 MiG-37 and 21 "Phantom" - more than indicative ratio. And all in all, in the “twenty-first” 74, we managed to write 1972 US aircraft of various types and models into my account. It is noteworthy that many films about the war in Vietnam have been made in the USA, but not a single one of any known fighter fighter pilots would be the main characters. There was clearly nothing to be proud of the Americans in the battles for the Vietnamese sky.


Vietnamese pilots rush to their planes to engage in battle with the approaching enemy. Photo: super-arsenal.ru
To fight not by number, but by skill

In 1973, US troops left South Vietnam, the country united under the name Socialist Republic of Vietnam, and the war ended. But the confrontation between the MiG-21 and the "Phantoms" did not end. In the same year in October in the Middle East a transient broke out - only 18 days! - The war, called the Doomsday War. And the opponents who had already managed to recognize and respect each other again came together in it.

According to aviation history experts, in Vietnam, the MiG-21 best of all proved to be an interceptor - although he, in fact, was not his original idea. Nevertheless, the fighter’s avionics, its thrust-to-weight ratio and climb rate, as well as speed, allowed it to play this role. And in the Doomsday War, the potential of the “twenty-first” as a maneuverable front-line fighter was best revealed.

Moreover, it was not so much the Phantoms that were in service with the Israeli Air Force that helped cover the Mirage fighters of French production that helped cover them to reveal these capabilities of the MiG-21. And here, I must say, met opponents, much more similar to each other. Both Soviet and French fighters were distinguished above all by high maneuverability, had very similar weapons - 30-millimeter cannon and air-to-air missiles with thermal homing heads, and most importantly, were close "ideologically." After all, he and the other were created as front-line fighters, whose main task was to conduct a maneuverable air battle.

As the participants of those events recall, the Egyptian pilots were not very well prepared and did not differ in initiative and courage. In particular, they seldom could take advantage of the excellent maneuverability of the “twenty first” and therefore introduced the rule “Having seen the Mirage”, do not turn. But they had much closer ties with the USSR and underwent serious aerobatic and tactical training under the leadership of Soviet pilots-instructors Syrian pilots showed their best, using all the opportunities provided by the MiG-21. As a result, in just 18 days of that short-term war, Syrian air force fighters conducted air combat over the Golan Heights and Lebanon, knocking down the enemy's 260 aircraft and losing just their 105! You must agree that the exponential ratio, especially considering that they were opposed by well-trained and able to use all the capabilities of their “Phantoms” and “Mirage” Israeli pilots. But the advantage of the Soviet aircraft was fully manifested, which led to such significant results of the battles.

According to aviation historians, it was the Doomsday War that finally brought back the concept of a close maneuverable group battle to the tactical arsenal of jet aircraft. The ideology of a single interception, which dominated the idea of ​​the role of jet fighters, lost its dominant position: they began to use it only to destroy specific targets such as high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft. And for Soviet aviation, the main conclusion from the events of October 1973 was the understanding that the tactical, combat and modernization capabilities of the MiG-21 are far from being exhausted and the aircraft can remain in service for more than one year. But then, of course, no one suspected that this was not about years - about decades.

How was born the "flying Kalashnikov"


Any weapon, be it a knife, a machine gun, a tank, or an airplane, best of all reveals its capabilities only in combat - in fact, it is actually done. But these opportunities are laid out outside the battlefield, in the silence of the design offices and the roar of experimental production. And the material, the basis on which they arise, is the experience of all previous generations of the same weapon. The main thing is for designers to have enough genius to comprehend and filter them, isolating the most successful and rejecting erroneous decisions.

All these abstract arguments become more than specific if it comes to the history of the emergence of the MiG-21. Work on it began in the Mikoyan Design Bureau at the very beginning of the Korean War, in 1953. By this time, second-generation jet fighters — subsonic MiG-15 and MiG-17 — were mastered in Soviet aviation with might and main, and MiG-19 was on the way. All of them had a swept wing, which, as the designers, pilots, and the country's leadership had already seen, made it possible to increase the flight speed and maneuverability. It was this wing that the first prototype of the future fighter, the E-2, received. A little later, when it was possible to bring to the receipt of practical results of research on the capabilities and characteristics of the delta wing, which gave clear advantages in speed and maneuverability, the second prototype, E-4, was born.

This aircraft first flew 16 July 1955 of the year. And almost six months later, on January 9 of 1956, the prototype of the E-5 rushed into the sky - that was already almost the same as the MiG-21 silhouette, which was well known to military pilots of the whole world. Actually, this particular aircraft soon successfully passed the flight tests of the factory and by the decision of the USSR Council of Ministers on 11 June 1956 was introduced into a small series (10 machines) at the plant №31 in Tbilisi called MiG-21.

But these first ten machines were in fact an experimental batch, the aircraft of which were mainly used to carry out an extensive program of further research on the new scheme with a delta wing. And these studies initially yielded such results that the military began to glance not towards the Mikoyan MiG-21, but towards the Su-7 Sukhoi Design Bureau, which showed great speed, although less maneuverability. The situation was decided by the installation on the MiG-21 of the new engine - the forced P-11-300, which immediately improved almost all the flight characteristics of the new fighter. This machine received the MiG-24F index in the resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers on 1958 July 21 (forced, although an erroneous interpretation of this letter as “front-line” is often found), and its release was organized at the aircraft plant No. XXUMX in Gorky. These machines in 21-m came to the state tests. So the first modification of the “twenty-first”, adopted for service, should be considered the MiG-1959F.

Big family MiG-21

What was the front-line fighter MiG-21F, adopted at the end of 1959, the year? It was an ascetic-looking aircraft with a length of 13,5 meters and a height of 4,7 meters with a wingspan of almost twice the height. It was armed with two 30 caliber mm guns and two suspension containers with C-5 unguided rockets. The only pilot who controlled the aircraft was the one who, by the way, had to take one hand off the control knob to switch weapons use modes, which at times had a catastrophic effect on the outcome of the air combat.


Cab MiG-21. Photo: Petr Kadlec / wikipedia.org

MiG-21F could rise to an altitude of 19 km and rush there at a speed above 2100 km / h. It was less fast at the ground: just 1100 km / h. At the same time, the practical range of the fighter intended for use directly in the front line was small - only 1500 km. But MiG-21F had a very low weight: normal take-off weight - 6,9 tons, fuel weight - 1,8 tons. For comparison: the maximum take-off mass of the Phantom F-4B, which the MiG-21 first encountered in Vietnam, reached 20,2 tons, and the empty plane weighed 12,7 tons!

Following the MiG-21F, there appeared a much more massive MiG-21F-13, which differed from its predecessor primarily in the new type of weapons: guided missiles with K-13 thermal homing heads (hence the 13 figures in the model index). This was the first generation of the legendary aircraft.

In the second, such modifications appeared as the all-weather interceptor MiG-21P (F, FS) that lost the gun, the export version for India MiG-21FL, the modification MiG-21PFM, to which the gun was returned in the suspended gondola, and reconnaissance aircraft MiG-21Р . All these modifications have already been equipped with radars and command-guidance equipment.

The third generation was such modifications as the MiG-21С with a new radar station and four missiles - with a thermal and radar homing head. It was followed by an export version of the MiG-21M, equipped with a more powerful MiG-21CM engine, and its export version of the MiG-21MF. Finally, the most advanced modification of the third generation, the MiG-1971CMT, appeared on 21, exported under the symbol MiG-21MT.

The fourth and last generation of the “twenty first” was the modification of the MiG-21bis - the most perfect and most powerful machine, which had the perfect balance of flight and weight and size characteristics. And in 1994, on the basis of this model, the latest, most modern version of the MiG-21-93 was developed. In it, 120 and the Indian Twenty-First are turned into 2019, who are expected to reach the XNUMX year.

Veteran remaining in the ranks


Behind the shoulders of the front-line fighter MiG-21 is service in the military air forces of the 48 countries of the world, which represents an absolute record for combat jet aircraft. He has combat participation in all major local conflicts and wars, beginning with Vietnam and ending with the Desert Storm operation, including the Doomsday War, endless wars in Afghanistan, conflicts between parts of the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and numerous wars in Africa. In a word, this is a real veteran who has repeatedly proved in practice his military skills.

... And in the National Museum of Aviation and Cosmonautics in Washington, the MiG-21 was not accidental. American experts, like their numerous colleagues from other Western countries, have long sincerely recognized this fighter as one of the most successful combat aircraft in the world. It was not by chance that this car turned out to be in the museum, and it is not by chance that it stands next to the Phantom. The best evidence of recognition that the creators of the legendary “twenty-first” received abroad cannot be found. Unless to count, how many the same planes costs in set of other aviation museums worldwide. Which is not surprising: like the Kalashnikov assault rifle, the MiG-21 became a symbol of a weapon that is capable of solving any tasks and in any conditions - only skilled hands and cold heads would be found. Then, six decades after the first flight, the plane will continue to carry out effective combat service.
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  2. +27
    6 September 2015 06: 19
    Thank you for the article! and the plane is truly wonderful ............ and beautiful!
    1. +13
      6 September 2015 09: 27
      Great article! Nice to read... hi
      1. +13
        6 September 2015 10: 55
        Quote: Serg 122
        Great article! Nice to read..

        There are numerous inaccuracies in the article; even to a man from a far-off aviation, this hurts the eye, for example:
        "Twenty-first" significantly exceeded the capabilities of their predecessors - subsonic Chinese-made MiG-17F and a few MiG-15 received from the USSR.
        Before writing this, the author would not be bad to ask about the history of the Vietnam War. There were no "Chinese" MiG-17s in Vietnam, all 17 are Soviet-made machines. It was they who opened the combat account of the downed American aircraft. UTIMiG-15 - these training vehicles did not participate in hostilities. J-6 (MIG-19) were supplied from China.
        The author did not find another photo for the screensaver, this is an experimental, not a serial modification.
        1. +2
          7 September 2015 13: 48
          Quote: zyablik.olga
          The author did not find another photo for the screensaver, this is an experimental, not a serial modification.

          MiG-21PD
          ".... To test the RD36-35 lifting engines and test the proposed concept of the future MiG-23 (product 23-01), one of the MiG-21PFS was modified into the E-7PD version (product 23-31). For this, it was extended by 900 mm fuselage, installing a pair of lifting turbojet engines with thrust of 2350 kgf behind the cockpit Air was supplied to the engines through the doors that opened during takeoff and landing.


          Despite the lengthening of the fuselage, the car had to significantly limit the fuel supply, which is why the flight duration did not exceed 15-17 minutes. The landing gear had to be made non-retractable, since the research was carried out at low speeds typical of takeoff and landing modes. On the lower surface of the fuselage, at the location of the additional propulsion system, there were louvers that deflected the gas jets at angles from five degrees forward, to ten degrees backward ... "
      2. -11
        6 September 2015 19: 48
        I do not own data on the Vietnam War, there is a lot of untruth regarding the Middle East. Nothing is written about the six-day war, when the Syrian and Egyptian air forces with a large number of MIG-21 were defeated, not a single Israeli aircraft was shot down in air battles, all Israeli losses were caused by air defense fire. In July 1970, an air battle took place over the Suez Canal between MIG-21, piloted by Soviet pilots and Israeli Phantoms and Mirages-3. Score 5: 0 not in favor of the Soviet Air Force. During the Doomsday War, our losses amounted to 102 aircraft, of which 97 were shot down by Arab air defense. Arabs lost 370 aircraft (more than 90% were shot down in aerial combat). In 1982, MiG-21s were beaten over Lebanon, but this example is inappropriate because the MiG-21 belongs to third-generation fighters, and in the 82nd year it was opposed by 4th-generation fighters F-15 and F-16
        1. +11
          6 September 2015 23: 07
          anokem, with the SOVIET Air Force yours in the "six-day war" did not collide, no matter how you boast to each other, it's like how Ukrainians are now "destroying" Russian brigades at the speed of light. You fought purely with the Arabs, who, as in that saying, "trust the fool with glass ... Much depends on the enemy. Soviet pilots practically did not fly, because it was impossible, there was always the possibility of being shot down (war) and ending up on the enemy But this is a super scandal in politics, but how our anti-aircraft gunners turned around when you don't need to fly anywhere ... Look for something about it, my Israeli friend.
          1. -3
            7 September 2015 02: 06
            Dear Gouging, read my post carefully. This is not about a six-day war, but about an air battle on July 30, 1970, which ended with a score of 5: 0.
            In the battle of July 30, 1970, the following were killed:
            Zhuravlev Vladimir Alexandrovich - captain, senior pilot. He was awarded (posthumously) the Order of the Red Banner and the Egyptian Order of the Star of Military Valor.
            Yurchenko Nikolay Petrovich - captain, flight commander. He was awarded (posthumously) the Order of the Red Banner and the Egyptian Order of the Star of Military Valor.
            Yakovlev Evgeny Gerasimovich - captain, flight commander. He was awarded (posthumously) the Order of the Red Banner and the Egyptian Order of the Star of Military Valor.

            https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Операция_«Римон_20»
            http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/attrition_war3.htm
            1. +3
              7 September 2015 22: 07
              Wikipedia link how it went
              1. 0
                7 September 2015 23: 11
                http://www.hubara-rus.ru/kavkaz/boi-nad-sueczkim-kanalom.html


                Description of the site of veterans of Soviet troops in the Middle East will satisfy you?
              2. 0
                8 September 2015 21: 53
                Quote: Setrac
                Wikipedia link how it went

                For them it did not go, it is the top of reliability. Archives are nothing to them. And all the most accurate information is only from social networks! They are afraid of falling behind the State Department. But no matter how in a hurry, they won’t be able to keep up. All news in social networks is written again in the State Department! Do not even go to the office (not to the grandmother)!
            2. +1
              8 September 2015 19: 09
              Quote: anokem
              https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Операция_«Римон_20»
              http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/attrition_war3.htm

              Found authority - WIKIPEDIA. Articles are posted there by all and sundry. Including such "experts" as you.
        2. +3
          7 September 2015 11: 16
          Quote: anokem
          In July 1970, an air battle took place over the Suez Canal between MIG-21, piloted by Soviet pilots and Israeli Phantoms and Mirages-3. Score 5: 0 not in favor of the Soviet Air Force.

          If you mean an air battle on June 30, 1970, then 4 planes were shot down there and 3 pilots were killed, but this with more than a two-fold advantage of the enemy. The only plus for the Jews is that they competently planned the battle in a tactical sense, creating a "trap", but at the same time two Soviet pilots were able to escape from it, almost accomplishing the impossible thanks to the skill and maneuverability of their aircraft.
          1. 0
            7 September 2015 19: 47
            5 Russian planes were shot down, the 5th plane was damaged by a joint attack of Phantom and Mirage-3 and crashed when trying to land. The loss of the fifth plane was confirmed by Egyptian President Anuar Sadat after 5 years. This is the art of air fighters to quickly create a numerical advantage in a limited area, inflict maximum damage to the enemy and quickly leave the battle without losses
            1. +4
              7 September 2015 23: 23
              Well, well, anokem, you can even fuck an elephant. And when one on one, so you are in the bushes.
              1. +1
                7 September 2015 23: 27
                You are confusing martial arts with street fighting. The art of war consists in secretly creating a numerical superiority in the desired area, and then suddenly using this superiority. And if it is possible to destroy an object from afar "cowardly and despicably not entering the air defense zone", then this is exactly what you need to do
            2. +1
              8 September 2015 11: 41
              One "Mirage" by Asher Snir, about which it is known that he received combat damage, managed to get out of the battle, managed to reach the base, the further fate of the machine is unknown, the pilot survived and returned to duty. And one "MiG" by Evgeny Kamenev, about which it is known that he received combat damage, managed to get out of the battle, it is unknown or managed to reach the base, the further fate of the machine is unknown, the pilot survived and returned to duty. So be fair or 4: 0 or 5: 1. And all sorts of "memories" of Anvar Sadat, especially in five years, are not rolled here.
            3. +2
              9 September 2015 07: 48
              You argue here in vain, there are only "hurray patriots". Of course, the "only plus of the Jews" is that they stuck several wars in a row on two fronts on the savages who were supported by the USSR, and what saved these savages was precisely the fact that the Russian military stood up for them every time the Jews crushed them.
              1. +1
                9 September 2015 10: 38
                Quote: VladimirRG
                You argue here in vain, there are only "hurray patriots".

                about this, I agree with you, but in this case these jingoistic patriots butt with the same jingoistic patriot, only from the other side. I took the data of this battle from one specialized site, where experts from both sides took part in the dispute. In particular, the quotes that I have given here were taken entirely from the Israeli side (you see, there are adequate people there). As for the "savages", living in Europe or simply belonging to the "chosen people" does not yet speak of the civilization of some of their representatives.
                1. 0
                  10 September 2015 06: 39
                  the difference is that in Europeans there are some savages without reason, and in Asia there are not some bishops, that’s all, and they don’t change the general background.
        3. +6
          7 September 2015 18: 35
          If someone told me about this, only praising the victory of Russian aviation
          Quote: anokem
          our losses were 102 aircraft, of which 97 shot down by Arab air defense. Arabs lost 370 aircraft (more than 90% percent shot down in aerial combat)

          I would turn it at my temple: it’s not possible when you knock down the enemy in dozens, and he only spits back. This is the same one claimed that the six "Merkavas" opposed 70 tanks. Then he began to write that 6 "Merkavas" took battle against 70 enemy tanks and had to remember that all 6 were burned. The fact that six "Merkavas" took battle is not yet an indicator of the technical perfection of the "Merkava" tanks, but an indicator of the courage of the tankers. But here apparently the brains have completely dried up.
          1. +2
            8 September 2015 11: 49
            Quote: shasherin.pavel
            But here, apparently, the brains are completely dry.

            not dried up.
            Brains just work as they should.
            Show us ignoramuses:
            -Our equipment is none, pilots and fighters are the same.
            And here they are.
            the most, the most eggs cooked in absolute cool condition ..
            + prove to yourself (well, to others, if you heed)
        4. +3
          7 September 2015 19: 43
          Quote: anokem
          Nothing is written about the six-day war when the Syrian and Egyptian air forces with a large number of MIG-21 were defeated



          Quote: anokem
          . During the Doomsday War, our losses amounted to 102 aircraft, of which 97 shot down by Arab air defense. Losses of Arabs accounted for 370 aircraft


          Are you not bothered by such an imbalance (mu confrontation between the Vietnam Air Force and the US Air Force and the Arab Air Force and the Israeli Air Force)?

          You then leaving your remerk

          In the period from April 1965 to November 1968, 268 air battles were conducted over Vietnam, during which 244 American and 85 Vietnamese aircraft were shot down (including 46 F-27 and 4 MiG-20 losses in 21 battles).


          A total of 1972 air combat took place between American and Vietnamese aircraft in 201, resulting in the loss of 54 Vietnamese fighter aircraft (including 36 MiG-21 and one MiG-21US) and 90 American vehicles (including 74 F-4 fighter and two reconnaissance aircraft RF-4C. Thus, the MiG-21 destroyed b7 enemy aircraft).
          -------------------------------------------------- ---
          I offer options to explain this absurdity:
          1.Americans NOT Useful Pilots
          2.Arab Awkward Pilots
          3.Israelites Superbly Pilots
          4 Soviet pilots "helping" the Vietnamese air force were crappy
          5.Soviet pilots "helping" the Arab Air Force were useless
          6.Soviet pilots "helping" the Vietnamese Air Force were also useless, but they were lucky, the jungle and monsoons helped to destroy nice American guys, but on the BV it is dry, there are no thickets
          7. Soviet / Russian technology junk, what to take from padded jackets
          8. In Vietnam, Soviet equipment was HALF, and in Egypt, Syria sucks, completely useless, 3 grade
          9. In Vietnam, American equipment sucked, but American equipment transferred to (selected) Israelis in their goy (or gay, right?) Hands became super-thin (a couple of mantras), or Israeli pilots (and not just pilots) have a magical aura (God's chosen people), which even makes you work miracles nowhere.
          10.Other options? or the totality of all?

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          You then leaving your remark
          Quote: anokem
          I do not own data on the Vietnam War, there is a lot of untruth regarding the Middle East.

          How do you explain this disagreement?
          n.1,2, especially n.3 and n.9, as well as the axiom of n.6.
          Right?
          Did you want to hear that?
          1. -5
            7 September 2015 23: 08
            There is another option that you have not mentioned. The data on American and Vietnamese losses in the presentation of the newspaper Pravda are just as untrue as the Arabian tales of 1001 nights, coupled with the fables of the political instructor of a group of Soviet troops in Syria Babich about Israeli and Arab losses
            1. +6
              8 September 2015 00: 40
              Quote: anokem
              The data on American and Vietnamese losses in the presentation of the newspaper Pravda are just as untrue as the Arabian tales of 1001 nights, coupled with the fables of the political instructor of a group of Soviet troops in Syria Babich about Israeli and Arab losses

              Of course have.
              1. This is not the data of the newspaper True, but the AMERICAN data.
              2.If you use the Semitic excuse about newspapers, then why should I believe these Israeli?
              Yediot Ahronot - what is better than Truth? Oh yes, she is "God's chosen one."
        5. -1
          8 September 2015 21: 46
          Quote: anokem
          , and in the 82nd year he was opposed by 4th generation fighters

          Have you lost in generations?
    2. dyksi
      +14
      6 September 2015 12: 42
      He still does not look bad today, here is a training battle between the MiG-21 and F-16 in Egypt, the twenty-first came out victorious.
      1. +2
        7 September 2015 01: 08
        Quote: dyksi
        He still does not look bad today, here is a training battle between the MiG-21 and F-16 in Egypt, the twenty-first came out victorious.

        Actually, this is the Danish F-16 at the exercises in Poland in the 90's
        http://www.gabnet.internetdsl.pl/admin/admin.htm
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      8 September 2015 21: 42
      Quote: Volga Cossack
      Thank you for the article! and the plane is truly wonderful ............ and beautiful!

      Another confirmation of the MIG-21 Quality: - India extended the period of combat operation until 2020!
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  5. -15
    6 September 2015 06: 48
    EMNIP, it was the MiG-21 that intercepted the Buran, when it descended from orbit at a speed of 5000 km / h, entering the runway, and escorting it until landing.
    1. +38
      6 September 2015 06: 57
      Mig 25 seems to have accompanied M. Tolboev, if not mistaken.
      1. +19
        6 September 2015 07: 05
        Quote: Igor39
        Mig 25 seems to have accompanied M. Tolboev, if not mistaken.

        Yes, 25. Here you can see in the frames.

      2. -1
        6 September 2015 21: 43
        Quote: Igor39
        Mig 25 seems to have accompanied M. Tolboev, if not mistaken.

        Exactly. The fox who became a legend
        1. +3
          7 September 2015 13: 53
          Quote: perepilka
          Quote: Igor39
          Mig 25 seems to have accompanied M. Tolboev, if not mistaken.

          Exactly. The fox who became a legend

          In this photo MiG-31
          Here is the MiG-25
    2. +2
      7 September 2015 20: 47
      Quote: VseDoFeNi
      EMNIP, it was the MiG-21 that intercepted the Buran when it was at a speed of 5000 km / h

      = 520 plus / minus 60 m / s IMHO = 18720 km / h

      9-th: - He has the height 7600.


      955: - Goes at the speed of 580.



      "And then I knocked the MiG-25 into a tailspin. Spun it around the axis. And after half a turn - the rudders to the output. I ended up in the rear hemisphere of the Buran. Otherwise, I can't catch up. I got out of the spin at an altitude of 10 meters, was on the trajectory of catching up. According to the program, released the landing gear, flaps. The speed of the Buran was twenty kilometers less than mine. Gradually they were getting closer. I tried to fend off the gusts of wind, but it was difficult ... "

      The wind at altitude was up to 200 kilometers per hour.



      well and not a moment-21 clear stump




      SOTN MiG-25 (LL-22) - Magomed Tolboev, callsign - 59995
      SOTN MiG-25 reserve (9210 board) - Ural Sultanov, callsign - 31062
    3. -1
      8 September 2015 20: 41
      You were a little mistaken! The first prototype of the passenger Tu-21 was made from the MiG-144
      1. +1
        9 September 2015 13: 09
        Just not a prototype, but a flying model called "Analog"
  6. +6
    6 September 2015 06: 51
    A good plane ... Like the AN-2, but only with a jet engine.
  7. +10
    6 September 2015 07: 12
    But everyone forgets about the Sukhoi Design Bureau. The Su-7 family is unreasonably forgotten. A triangle was born there-balalaika.
    1. +9
      6 September 2015 07: 39
      But Sukhoi Design Bureau is now in favor, and RSK MIG (or as they call names now) is barely smoldering ... ((
      1. +6
        6 September 2015 18: 17
        Sukhoi Design Bureau is now in favor, and RSK MIG (or as they call names now) is barely smoldering ... ((

        While the Mikoyanov clan was in control, Sukhoi had to prove its worth with battle. And as Poghosyan pushed the way to the Kremlin, the MIG firm heroically survives.
        as in the whole world - lobby.
        1. 0
          6 September 2015 21: 54
          Yes, all these undercover games are clear, but do we really need fighters ?! After all, both MIG and SU they all have a place to be in the troops, and all the great planes.
    2. +4
      6 September 2015 22: 43
      Quote: Barracuda
      But everyone forgets about the Sukhoi Design Bureau. The Su-7 family is unreasonably forgotten. A triangle was born there-balalaika.

      The Su-7 has an arrow-shaped wing! You are obviously confused with Su-15!
      1. +2
        7 September 2015 15: 21
        Quote: non-primary
        The Su-7 has an arrow-shaped wing! You are obviously confused with Su-15!

        Or with the Su-9.
        1. +1
          8 September 2015 15: 58
          ... or with the Su-11.
    3. -1
      7 September 2015 18: 45
      Just a hint!
      About the triangular wing ...
      There was also Mirage III - the first flight on November 17, 1956 (before that, the experimental Mirage I & II - MD.550 Mirage I, Dassault, the first flight: 1955 http://www.airwar.ru/enc/xplane/mirage1.html )
      Even earlier - the Gerfo company of Nor Aviation - a single fighter-interceptor - France, 1954
      Gerfo company Nord Aviation


      So it turns out that about the Sukhoi Design Bureau All have forgotten!
      1. 0
        8 September 2015 16: 04
        Nobody forgot about Sukhoi. They said about these planes: "The designer is Dry, the plane is wet, and the technician is wet." For the sake of fairness, I must say that already in the next generations of Sukhov aircraft, the principles of equipment layout were first applied, which, according to the designer, were supposed to improve the serviceability characteristics. How it happened, let the "operators" evaluate.
  8. +10
    6 September 2015 07: 31
    Earlier in Wikipedia, when I read about the post-Vietnamese use of fighters, I was always upset that they were defeated and did not bring down anything. Now I look, the information is corrected:

    In total, Indian MiG-21s shot down 7-8 Pakistani aircraft and damaged 1. The only loss in aerial combat was the “instant” shot down by Saber on December 17 [


    During the brief military conflict between Egypt and Libya, very few air battles took place. July 22, on the second day of the war, the Libyan Mirage 5 shot down an Egyptian MiG-21. The next day, the Egyptians succeeded, in the air battles the “twenty first” shot down 3-4 “Mirage 5” and 1 MiG-23, without incurring losses.


    On May 10, 1980, the Bahamian Coast Guard HMBS Flamingo patrol boat spotted alien fishing vessels in the Cai Santo Domingo island area. They turned out to be two Cuban fishing vessels. After a long chase, a patrol boat opened fire. The crew of a patrol boat arrested and towed both fishing vessels. The Cuban sailors managed to report the shelling to their authorities, indicating that they were being attacked by an unknown ship. A pair of MiG-21s flew to the rescue, who made several passes over it and performed warning firing. Both fighters returned to the airfield and prepared for the second flight, equipping NURS units. Without further ado, the MiG went on the attack and destroyed a patrol boat, killing four crew members, the rest ran to arrested ships. Over the next three days, the Cuban Air Force staged demonstration flights over the islands of the Bahamas archipelago. Given that the Flamingo HMBS was sunk in the Bahamas, Cuba had to pay compensation for the ship and the families of the deceased sailors. The Cuban vessels in the future tried not to touch without special need [47].
  9. -14
    6 September 2015 07: 32
    As a result, in just 18 days of that short-term war, Syrian Air Force fighters conducted 260 air battles over the Golan Heights and Lebanon, shooting down 105 enemy aircraft and losing only 57 of their own!

    I believe. Of the 102 planes lost by the Israeli Air Force on both fronts of that war, only 105 shot down Syrian MiG-21s. Well, in general, they won then and still celebrate Victory Day in the "October War". lol
    1. +16
      6 September 2015 09: 01
      Professor "I believe. Of the 102 planes lost by the Israeli Air Force on both fronts of that war, only 105 shot down Syrian MiG-21s."
      You do not fill us here. Bet better where three more planes have gone down?)))) And anyway, what do you have there taking into account losses?)))
      1. -10
        6 September 2015 09: 16
        Quote: Nagaibak
        You do not fill us here. Bet better where three more planes have gone down?)))) And in general, what do you have there taking into account the losses?))

        How "where"? Obviously sold. wink
        Given the losses in Israel, the problem is terrible. There is a law prohibiting the disclosure of losses. Now, if someone informs in Odnoklassniki that his classmate is dead, then the person who reports will be jailed for disclosing state secrets. wassat

        I’m wondering, if only MiG-21s shot down 105 Israeli jet aircraft on the Syrian front, how many air defense crews shot down? How many Egyptians shot down? Well, how many then was the aircraft in the Israeli Air Force? lol
        1. +3
          6 September 2015 10: 37
          Professor "How" where "? Of course they sold."
          That’s what I knew.))) I didn’t doubt it at all.))) That the Jews would not take advantage of such a commercial opportunity.)))
          Professor "Taking into account the losses in Israel, the problem is terrible. There is a law prohibiting the disclosure of losses. Now, if someone informs in Odnoklassniki that his classmate was killed, then the informant will be imprisoned for disclosing state secrets."
          One word is SORROW.)))
          1. +12
            6 September 2015 16: 29
            Joke.
            How to drink coffee if a fly hits a cup.
            The German poured coffee with a fly.
            The Frenchman threw a fly, drank coffee.
            The Chinese poured coffee, ate a fly.
            Russian drank coffee with a fly.
            A Jew sold coffee to a Frenchman, a fly to a Chinese, with the proceeds he bought himself another cup of coffee.
          2. 0
            6 September 2015 21: 31
            He mocked you and you still didn’t understand. fellow
        2. +3
          6 September 2015 11: 14
          Quote: professor
          Quote: Nagaibak
          You do not fill us here. Bet better where three more planes have gone down?)))) And in general, what do you have there taking into account the losses?))

          How "where"? Obviously sold. wink
          Given the losses in Israel, the problem is terrible. There is a law prohibiting the disclosure of losses. Now, if someone informs in Odnoklassniki that his classmate is dead, then the person who reports will be jailed for disclosing state secrets. wassat

          I’m wondering, if only MiG-21s shot down 105 Israeli jet aircraft on the Syrian front, how many air defense crews shot down? How many Egyptians shot down? Well, how many then was the aircraft in the Israeli Air Force? lol

          Professor, do not enlighten us yourself, how many Israeli planes were shot down by the MiGami-21 in 1973?
          1. -8
            6 September 2015 11: 23
            Quote: 0255
            Professor, do not enlighten us yourself, how many Israeli planes were shot down by the MiGami-21 in 1973?

            Two Phantoms and 4 Mirages in all air battles on both fronts. The "Arab" air defense inflicted incomparably greater damage to the Israeli Air Force. How many of the 6 were shot down directly by the MiGami-21 I cannot say.
            1. 0
              6 September 2015 16: 41
              Quote: professor
              Two Phantoms and 4 Mirages in all air battles on both fronts.

              And it seems that Israel recognized the loss of 21 aircraft in air battles in 73. Or did the "professor" rethink and take a fresh look at history?)))))) Maybe it is customary for you to count only kosher fighters there?)))
              1. +1
                6 September 2015 16: 43
                Quote: tomket
                And it seems that Israel recognized the loss of 21 aircraft in air battles in 73. Or did the "professor" rethink and take a fresh look at history?)))))) Maybe it is customary for you to count only kosher fighters there?)))

                Let’s link to where Israel acknowledged the loss of 21 aircraft in aerial combat in 73. We will discuss kosher later.
            2. +3
              6 September 2015 16: 49
              Professor, can you provide the statistics of the remaining Phantoms and Skyhawks park at the end of the 73 war?
              1. -3
                6 September 2015 17: 13
                Quote: tomket
                Professor, can you provide the statistics of the remaining Phantoms and Skyhawks park at the end of the 73 war?

                That is, a link to where Israel recognized the loss of 21 aircraft in air battles in 73, I will not get? sad

                Here are all the losses including tail numbers.
                Yom Kippur Israeli Air Force confirmed losses
                Total:
                32 F-4Es
                53A-4,
                12 Mirage III/Nesher,
                6 Super Mystere B.2,
                1 Do.27,
                1 Do.28,
                3 Bell-205A,
                2 S-65.
            3. +6
              6 September 2015 17: 52
              Quote: professor
              How many of 6 were shot down directly by MiGami-21 I can’t say.


              Anecdote in the topic:

              “If I had the latest Soviet aircraft,” said Haim Herzog dreamily, “I would have conquered the whole Arab world!”
              “And if I had my own newspaper ISRAland News then,” sighed Golda Meir, “the world would still not know anything about our losses in the Yom Kippur War”!
            4. +1
              7 September 2015 19: 05
              Quote: professor
              Two Phantoms and 4 Mirages in all air battles on both fronts

              No, I understand, for the Amers, if the plane reached the "aircraft graveyard", sent its plane to it, and landed on it by parachute, then these are technical losses from accidents, but not combat ones. But if an American fighter plane hits an enemy plane with one shell, then this is a complete victory. They just have their own system of calculating their losses and their victories.
              1. 2ez
                +2
                8 September 2015 01: 37
                THE GERMANS WERE THE SAME STATISTICS! The machine gun confirmed the hit - you were counted as a victory! That is why Erich Hartmann was with them ... The fact that then the "downed" Russian would overwhelm the German slave is no longer so important ... Just find the memories of Popkov, the prototype of Bykovsky "Maestro", the man who "flunked" the famous Berg and no less famous Count ...
    2. +9
      6 September 2015 09: 16
      Of all the 102's of the Israeli Air Force's lost planes on both fronts of that war, only 105 were shot down by the Syrian MiG-21.


      Well, the rest, of course, quietly sold for scrap right at the crash site. And gesheft and dumb evidence.
      1. 0
        6 September 2015 15: 17
        alicante11 "Well, and the rest, of course, quietly sold for scrap right at the place of the fall. And there is no gesheft or evidence."
        As they say, the main thing is not how they think, but who believes.)))
    3. +1
      6 September 2015 18: 27
      As a result, in just 18 days of that short-term war, Syrian Air Force fighters conducted 260 air battles over the Golan Heights and Lebanon, shooting down 105 enemy aircraft and losing only 57 of their own!
      I believe. Of the 102 planes lost by the Israeli Air Force on both fronts of that war, only 105 shot down Syrian MiG-21s. Well, in general, they won then and still celebrate Victory Day in the "October War".


      In any war, the Truth is the first to perish. (someone ancient and wise said)
  10. +8
    6 September 2015 07: 55
    MiG-21-plane-legend. Here's just a little fix-its wing-trapezoidal. The prototype really had a triangular, but during the tests strange vibrations appeared. They began to understand and right on the airfield "on the knee" with a hacksaw for metal, representatives of the design bureau sawed off triangular the endings and vibrations stopped. winked hi
  11. -16
    6 September 2015 08: 09
    SPA! WHAT REMEMBERED! Kalashnikov in the aircraft industry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT I DO NOT SEE ON KHLHYATSKY SITES TRAURA)))))))))))) YELLOW BLOCKED LOST))) ))))))))
  12. +1
    6 September 2015 08: 30
    Good article. Everything is correct.
  13. +21
    6 September 2015 08: 34
    Mig-21 - grace and grace combined with swiftness and power. Until now, I consider this aircraft the most beautiful among those created in the USSR.
    1. +25
      6 September 2015 08: 58
      And I’m a great boob. Kramatorsk left, models Su-7, MiG-15,17,19,21 soared in a room under the ceiling. opened and painted with varnish. . The toad is still crushing. Also, IL-2, Yak-7-9-3, La-5-fn. and SU-2 (forgotten by everyone) - you’ll find a fucking model.
      sad
      1. +13
        6 September 2015 10: 40
        Barakuda "And I am an overage dunce."
        This is normal.)) Someone hunting and fishing, some people collecting stamps and coins, some soldiers and knives with sabers. Anything is better than getting drunk.)))
      2. +4
        6 September 2015 11: 35
        Quote: Barracuda
        SU-2 (forgotten by everyone) - you will find a horseradish model.

        What's the problem with the Su-2? Do you want "Star" at 48m, you want Aysem at 72m. I don't want to take it.
        1. +10
          6 September 2015 12: 52
          After finishing 1st grade, he was sent by his parents to a pioneer camp. Near the stadium there were MiG-17 and 21, and Il-14. For penetration into aircraft cockpits, the punishment is renunciation of the pool for 3 days. I rarely visited the pool. And dripped to the parents. But what happiness it was when, after the shift, returning home, I saw on the table in my room a box with a MiG-21 model, GDRovskaya! My father and I immediately glued it together. Friends were so jealous that after a while he disappeared without a trace. And after a couple of years, I myself completely glued the models. And I discovered that piston engines are more difficult to assemble than jet ones. Now there are no problems in terms of getting the models, but my son somehow didn’t get inspired, although as he sees the models even now, he is 17, he begins to argue on the topic “where are ours? Let's collect them”.
          I sincerely sympathize with Barakude. And that he left the house, and that the models had to be abandoned (there is some kind of magnetism in them). But Victory will be ours, and everything will return.
      3. +6
        6 September 2015 11: 57
        My heart also pinched. The first model we, together with my father, made in 1968. And it was precisely the MIG-21. Time does its job. What remains of the collection, the grandchildren smashed into dust. (((,,))).
      4. +8
        6 September 2015 12: 34
        Quote: Barracuda
        and SU-2 (forgotten by everyone) - you’ll find a fucking model.

        Well, why is it so tragic. Here you go http://modeland.com.ua/zvezda-4805-su-2.html. If anything, write in a personal.
        1. 0
          8 September 2015 16: 06
          This is the first downed plane of A.I. Pokryshkin.
    2. +9
      6 September 2015 11: 48
      This is not just a legend, it is something more .. It is a pity that the younger generation does not understand this ... Fixies on the mind ...
      1. +1
        6 September 2015 14: 40
        It seemed to me, or at 1:51, of the fighter on the MG34 shoulder?
        1. +4
          6 September 2015 14: 58
          Quote: Haway_Nordik
          It seemed to me, or at 1:51, of the fighter on the MG34 shoulder?

          He himself either installed ours (in the Czech Republic he graduated after 45, in Yugoslavia, too), or he was squeezed from the French.
  14. +6
    6 September 2015 10: 10
    By the way, it was after the meeting with Migami that the Americans returned the guns to the Phantoms! After all, initially they had calculated that the guns were the last century and everything would be solved by rockets! And ours proved to them the opposite wink
    1. +7
      6 September 2015 10: 57
      Quote: Magic Archer
      By the way, it was after the meeting with Migami that the Americans returned the guns to the Phantoms! After all, initially they had calculated that the guns were the last century and everything would be solved by rockets! And ours proved to them the opposite

      There were no guns on the Vietnamese MiG-21PF either. request
      1. gjv
        +1
        6 September 2015 19: 23
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        There were no guns on the Vietnamese MiG-21PF either.

        Vietnamese MiG-21PF in 2005, the guns are really not visible, but they fly ...
      2. gjv
        +1
        6 September 2015 19: 23
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        There were no guns on the Vietnamese MiG-21PF either.

        Vietnamese MiG-21PF in 2005, the guns are really not visible, but they fly ...
        1. 0
          6 September 2015 21: 58
          I have never read or heard that there were guns on the Vietnamese MiG-21.
      3. 0
        8 September 2015 16: 07
        After meeting with the MiG-17.
  15. +3
    6 September 2015 10: 42
    Well, it is not entirely correct to compare the MiG-21 and the F-4. F-5 and F-104 are closer to MiG-u. By the way: Soviet specialists were delighted with "Tiger" (F-5). The Tiger training modification, the T-38, is still very far from retirement. And the MiG-21 I do not argue - an excellent aircraft, for its time and in capable hands
  16. -19
    6 September 2015 10: 47
    Quote: professor

    I’m wondering, if only MiG-21s shot down 105 Israeli jet aircraft on the Syrian front, how many air defense crews shot down? How many Egyptians shot down? Well, how many then was the aircraft in the Israeli Air Force? lol

    Such a trifle as real facts, however, local historians are not interested in logic, etc., because the main thing is "urya, we have Kalashnikof everywhere")))
    1. +15
      6 September 2015 11: 50
      Such a trifle as real facts, however, local historians are not interested in logic, etc., because the main thing is "urya, we have Kalashnikof everywhere")))


      And from you, the elite and Westerners, you will never get real facts. After all, even the USSR has already become an aggressor in WW2. This is also an indisputable fact. So we are better off according to the Syrian data. Although it is optimal to take the average between yours and "ours", I think that is exactly what will come of it.
  17. +4
    6 September 2015 10: 49
    Quote: Magic Archer
    By the way, it was after meeting with the MiGs that the Americans returned the guns to the Phantoms!

    The fact that I write does not detract from the superior qualities of the MiG-21. It is simply incorrect to contrast the F-4 and MiG-21. Yes, BOTH fighters, but one heavy fighter-bomber (payload over 7 tons), the other is a light fighter maneuverable combat. We do not compare Eurofighter, Rafal and F-16 (weight approx. 10 tons) with Mig-31 (St. 45 tons). They have different purposes. AND ALL-FIGHTERS. Yes hi
    1. +3
      6 September 2015 11: 38
      Quote: fa2998
      The fact that I write does not detract from the superior qualities of the MiG-21. It is simply incorrect to contrast the F-4 and MiG-21. Yes, BOTH fighters, but one heavy fighter-bomber (payload over 7 tons), the other is a light fighter maneuverable combat. We do not compare Eurofighter, Rafal and F-16 (weight approx. 10 tons) with Mig-31 (St. 45 tons). They have different purposes. AND ALL-FIGHTERS.

      In battles, they will not be divided by "weight categories".
  18. -16
    6 September 2015 12: 06
    Quote: alicante11
    And from you, the elite and Westerners, you will never get real facts. After all, even the USSR has already become an aggressor in WW2. This is also an indisputable fact. So we are better off according to the Syrian data. Although it is optimal to take the average between yours and "ours", I think that is exactly what will come of it.

    Well, let's continue on the "Syrian data", just do not be surprised later that your air defense is not working and planes are shot down by dozens ...
    1. dyksi
      +2
      6 September 2015 12: 49
      It’s incurred in you, ventilate the room when you smoke grass, otherwise your numbers can grow to thousands of downed planes. They stopped flying over Kuneitra and bombing the Syrian army, or else EW does not help anymore.
      1. -8
        6 September 2015 13: 06
        Yes, I also think that the author went too far with the grass ... and the Syrians have long stopped flying over Kuneitra, they are afraid ...
    2. +8
      6 September 2015 12: 59
      Yeah, when everything ends with the defeat of Israel, kicks will begin on the topic of anti-Semitism, because of which everything happened. And do not mean that no one has won Israel. Something hezbollah is also not defeated.
      1. -1
        6 September 2015 18: 02
        Quote: samoletil18
        Yeah, when everything ends with the defeat of Israel, kicks will begin on the topic of anti-Semitism, because of which everything happened. And do not mean that no one has won Israel. Something hezbollah is also not defeated.

        Was the task to defeat it? As far as I know, the task was set to stop shelling the north, since 2006 in the north there have been peace and quiet. fellow
        1. +3
          6 September 2015 23: 55
          Quote: Hello
          Quote: samoletil18
          Yeah, when everything ends with the defeat of Israel, kicks will begin on the topic of anti-Semitism, because of which everything happened. And do not mean that no one has won Israel. Something hezbollah is also not defeated.

          Was the task to defeat it? As far as I know, the task was set to stop shelling the north, since 2006 in the north there have been peace and quiet. fellow

          Israel's general staff is cool. What tasks (?) Anyone can learn them. I understand that I - urapatriot, got brains only for a doctor to learn. Apparently, for the above reason, I cannot understand the process of financing the Palestinian Authority, including educational institutions, in which nothing is said about Israel as a breadwinner except in the spirit of the upcoming jihad. They ruined Lebanon, and then began to make an expensive "dome", which proved to be effective against missiles from "hail" launched from a sewer pipe of the corresponding diameter or from "tactical missiles" converted from S-75. And the Arabs have not found a way to economically undermine Israel in this way?
          Oh, okay, my wife is Jewish, she suddenly reads ... Although, she is cross-cut. But it’s better not to create houses of reason for antagonism, my ancestors from Khortitsa came to the Astrakhan lands at the beginning of the last century, before that they could take part in the pogroms of the population unoccupied in the production of material goods for the Russian Empire. There are also difficulties: anyone who decided to cultivate the land could become a Cossack, and when threatening their homeland, they could take up arms and mount a horse!
          In the process, the Arabs in Israel created the Cossacks.
          1. 0
            7 September 2015 07: 36
            Quote: samoletil18
            Quote: Hello
            Quote: samoletil18
            Yeah, when everything ends with the defeat of Israel, kicks will begin on the topic of anti-Semitism, because of which everything happened. And do not mean that no one has won Israel. Something hezbollah is also not defeated.

            Was the task to defeat it? As far as I know, the task was set to stop shelling the north, since 2006 in the north there have been peace and quiet. fellow

            Israel's general staff is cool. What tasks (?) Anyone can learn them. I understand that I - urapatriot, got brains only for a doctor to learn. Apparently, for the above reason, I cannot understand the process of financing the Palestinian Authority, including educational institutions, in which nothing is said about Israel as a breadwinner except in the spirit of the upcoming jihad. They ruined Lebanon, and then began to make an expensive "dome", which proved to be effective against missiles from "hail" launched from a sewer pipe of the corresponding diameter or from "tactical missiles" converted from S-75. And the Arabs have not found a way to economically undermine Israel in this way?
            Oh, okay, my wife is Jewish, she suddenly reads ... Although, she is cross-cut. But it’s better not to create houses of reason for antagonism, my ancestors from Khortitsa came to the Astrakhan lands at the beginning of the last century, before that they could take part in the pogroms of the population unoccupied in the production of material goods for the Russian Empire. There are also difficulties: anyone who decided to cultivate the land could become a Cossack, and when threatening their homeland, they could take up arms and mount a horse!
            In the process, the Arabs in Israel created the Cossacks.

            The tasks are not set by the general staff but by the political leadership of the country, and of course, in the conditions of constant shelling, it announces these tasks publicly, otherwise this leadership itself may be very surprised at the next election.
            I was very pleased with the comparison of Arabs with Cossacks, according to this logic, kibbutzniks are quite Cossacks good good
            1. +2
              7 September 2015 08: 24
              Well done, Hello! You definitely caught the moment with the kibbutzniks when I was thinking about the formation of the Israeli Cossacks, although I did not mention them in any way.
          2. 0
            7 September 2015 08: 08
            Quote: samoletil18
            Israel’s cool general staff. What tasks (?) Anyone can learn them.

            Exactly. The commission, chaired by Judge Vinograd, announced all the goals. The report is in the public domain. You do not understand what civil society is.
            1. +5
              7 September 2015 09: 29
              Where to me, a padded jacket. Another point is that terrorists report their goals and tasks: IS, Al-Qaeda, IRA, Brothers Mvslmane, Right Sector, etc.
              I do not insist that in Russia the most civil society, but personally triples me.
              And the gasoline and imported detergents mentioned by the inhabitants of Israel some time ago are not much of a tragedy. If you dig in, then of course, everything is bad with us, but you can also do the same in Israel, the EU, and the USA. The other side of these processes - equipping the necessary regimes with large ones in small ones - here begins with discussions about civil society and freedoms, and I can not understand for a quarter of a century what is more correct: the equality of ALL or the equality of the RIGHTS of all. A simple example is tolerance. Great, you have to be warm to blacks, gays, and sick people. Or treat everyone (and ask) the same way as with yourself, a policeman, a Tajik, a gay, a Jew, a soldier, a terrorist, a pedestrian, a horse-drawn cart driver. And it seems to me that Russia is now beginning a slow, so far subtle movement towards the second, i.e. all are equal and responsibility and rights without any discrimination, called tolerance, civil society and other crap, not related to true democracy.
              There are aoennaya and state. the secret is to go in the wrong direction. What conclusions will the Arabs draw based on the findings of the Grapes Commission? I’m somehow not sure what is clearly in favor of peaceful coexistence with Israel.
              1. -1
                7 September 2015 09: 49
                Quote: samoletil18
                Where to me, a padded jacket. Another point is that terrorists report their goals and tasks: IS, Al-Qaeda, IRA, Brothers Mvslmane, Right Sector, etc.

                Well? request

                Quote: samoletil18
                I do not insist that in Russia the most civil society, but personally triples me.

                Happy for you.

                Quote: samoletil18
                And the gasoline and imported detergents mentioned by the inhabitants of Israel some time ago are not much of a tragedy.

                No, not a tragedy. After all, my grandfather also rode a chaise, while the other generally walked. And my grandmothers did not even suspect the existence of washing powder and washing machines and went to the Dnieper to wash with laundry soap. And nothing. Survived. fellow

                Quote: samoletil18
                There are aoennaya and state. the secret is to go in the wrong direction. What conclusions will the Arabs draw based on the findings of the Grapes Commission? I’m somehow not sure what is clearly in favor of peaceful coexistence with Israel.

                And here I do not agree with you. A state secret about his people only harms his people. The conclusions of the Vinograd commission do not contain state secrets at all. Quite the contrary. Now our enemies know that we have clarified our omissions, punished the guilty and taken measures. This is one of the reasons why there is silence and calm on the northern border.
                1. +1
                  7 September 2015 15: 16
                  It’s impossible to summarize the soap at your posts, but an article about the MiG-21. I just can’t understand why you need 7 warnings? (!). Cultural-looking person. I'm all 3 for the words are bad, for example.
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              2. -2
                7 September 2015 09: 58
                The commission was created exclusively for Israel and has no relation to the conclusions that the Hezbollah made for itself. And the commission, in my non-professional opinion, was created due to the fact that the question arose in society why the hell did our leaders scratch their turnips for so long instead of doing business.
      2. -3
        6 September 2015 21: 36
        To school, urgently to school. Apparently, apart from patriosites, nothing is read. Even I was taught at a military school that the Arabs lost all their wars with Israel.
        1. -1
          7 September 2015 22: 21
          Quote: slavaisrael
          To school, urgently to school. Apparently, apart from patriosites, nothing is read. Even I was taught at a military school that the Arabs lost all their wars with Israel.

          Apparently they taught poorly, since he flipped himself over. hi
  19. +8
    6 September 2015 12: 16
    The article is good, but alas, there are inaccuracies. In particular, the phrase that Phantoms do their thing in the Iranian Air Force is not entirely accurate. They are in Greece (34 pieces for 2014). in Turkey (102 units). Probably somewhere else on the little things
    1. +1
      6 September 2015 19: 58
      Yes, there should be fewer inaccuracies; I would also like a description of the features of management and maintenance of machines ... But even without this, the article is interesting, "+".
    2. +1
      7 September 2015 07: 49
      Quote: Old26
      Probably somewhere else on the little things

      In Japan too? but not at all "on trifles".
      Google Earth satellite image: F-4EJ Kai Hayakuri Airbase.
  20. +7
    6 September 2015 13: 40
    A peculiar record belongs to the MiG-21 # 4324, mounted on a pedestal at the Museum of the Armed Forces of Vietnam in Hanoi. On its side there are 14 red stars, which corresponds to 14 downed US planes (4 Vietnamese pilots took turns flying on it).
    1. +1
      6 September 2015 15: 49
      Here it is, our handsome hero 4324 (from 2min37 to 3min00): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IT_C5Kmwks

      A bit wrong. Detailed information about him: belonged to IAP 921 (divisions 371), from January 1967 to May 1969 9 pilots flew on it, of which 6 were awarded the title of Hero of Vietnam (5 or more victories in air battles).
      List of Vietnamese aces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_People's_Air_Force
  21. +4
    6 September 2015 14: 39
    MiG-21 is a lot of different aircraft with very different flight characteristics and performance characteristics. Somewhere in 1970, a closed coffin was brought from Egypt (53rd Guards Iap, Siauliai), then I heard the catch phrase: "I saw the Mirage - don't go into a bend." And also the nickname "dove of peace" (two ineffective P-3S and that's it!). I'm not even talking about the primitive navigation equipment and the traditional for that level of engineering culture of low adaptability to maintenance (in particular, engine replacement). Our specialists, who got acquainted with the F-5E in Vietnam, cried when they compared them in the MiG-21. Also, pilots who had a lot of practice on the MiG-21, and subsequently switched to the MiG-23, continued to ignore the capabilities of a more advanced combat aviation complex.
    As for the enthusiastic reviews of US analysts about the MiG-21, their conclusions are largely due to the results of simulations of large-scale military operations between NATO and the ATS. Here, probably, the fact that the qualitative superiority of NATO at that time did not allow to overcome the factor of the decisive numerical superiority of the ATS played a role. As one Air Force tactician figuratively put it, "we will crush them by Mr.."
    However, the MiG-21 is undoubtedly one of the pinnacles of the Soviet engineering school. Without this aircraft and its "denial" of the MiG-23, there would be no MiG-29 and Su-27, which, unfortunately, were very late.
    1. +5
      6 September 2015 18: 15
      I heard a catch phrase: "I saw the Mirage - don't go into a bend."

      The Syrians quickly realized that on the MiG-21 you can literally do everything without fear of stalling, because it is difficult to drive the MiG-21 into a stable corkscrew, and it easily comes out of stalling, flying at low speeds, losing speed to “zero”, falling and on the tail, and the "leaf." In addition, the R-11 engine worked stably on all “exotic” flight modes. We can say that the Syrians owned the MiG like a “wolf with their teeth”, and were not afraid of either the Phantoms or the Mirages, knowing that these machines are very strict in piloting, and the Mirage also pomps the engine with a slight slip on fairly moderate angle of attack.
      B.A. Orlov. "Notes of the test pilot" http://kramtp.info/news/64/full/id=22844;
      1. 0
        8 September 2015 16: 14
        It depends on what generation of MiG-21 we are talking about. Of course, the MiG-21MF or bis were very maneuverable aircraft, but the first MiGs had a relatively low thrust-to-weight ratio, so during the battle on bends, the speed dropped very quickly. An additional rocket engine was installed on the Mirages, which could be turned on once. But that was enough. In addition, the enemy had the best sight for cannon fire.
  22. +5
    6 September 2015 14: 55
    I liked the article (me. Who served on these MiG-21PFM)! True, when they served, they envied those who served on strategic bombers: the MiG had a flight of about 30-40 minutes. and the bomber flew for hours ...
    1. +2
      6 September 2015 17: 49
      Thanks for the article I liked.
      Here is another pretty informative film about the MIG-21.

  23. 0
    6 September 2015 17: 58
    Professor a question. And it was this: the ban of the Israeli Air Force in 73 will approach the front line closer than 20 km. prohibited or red propaganda. And from the Arabs, as one comrade said on the website, the pilots and tankers are from the city of bullet.
    1. 0
      6 September 2015 18: 00
      Quote: timyr
      Professor a question. And it was this: the ban of the Israeli Air Force in 73 will approach the front line closer than 20 km. prohibited or red propaganda

      It’s strange. See where Israel lost most of its planes, just behind the front line.
  24. 0
    6 September 2015 18: 52
    The information simply flashed that Israel lost 50 aircraft in the first week, so a ban on approaching the front line passed. But the situation was threatening, so the Air Force had to attack and the losses increased. And how many losses are interesting in the first two weeks. It was indicated that Israel lost about 100 aircraft. This is true or there is no loss. But Israel turned out and showed fighting spirit tanks forced a salt lake and began to destroy air defense systems and destroyed 40 of the 60 Egyptian air defense systems.
  25. +1
    6 September 2015 19: 42
    Nice guy Fantastic. It appears under the American, then under the Israeli flag.))) Darling.)))
    Our answer to Lord Curzon:
    “You don't need bombs or shells.
    Do not inflate you fire war!
    We will inflict them, if necessary,
    Retaliatory thermonuclear strike.

    And do not be interested in our everyday life,
    We ourselves know where we have what.
    So our Central Committee wrote in an open letter, -
    We approve of his line! "

    V.S. Vysotsky
    1. +1
      6 September 2015 21: 37
      Quote: Oprychnik
      Our answer to Lord Curzon:

      In fact, "A letter from the workers of the Tambov plant to the Chinese leaders" (don’t consider it tedious, maybe you have a more subtle idea, but I didn’t get it (I didn’t catch it about Lord Curzon)) ...
      1. +1
        6 September 2015 22: 55
        Well, how can you ... You correctly grasped the idea, which applies not only to the Chinese comrades ...)))
  26. +3
    7 September 2015 01: 10
    A bunch of stocks in an article
  27. 0
    7 September 2015 10: 48
    Who will tell you what the MiG-21bis means, specifically BIS.
  28. 0
    8 September 2015 11: 55
    Quote: Igor39
    Mig 25 seems to have accompanied M. Tolboev, if not mistaken.

    You are not mistaken. It is the 25th!
  29. 0
    8 September 2015 12: 42
    I do not presume to disassemble the LTX of the MiG-21 modifications. But on the ground operational characteristics dwell. The MiG-21cmt is the first of a dozen subsequent aircraft, the operation of which he organized. Of course, the first is the most memorable and even more beloved. But nevertheless, taking into account the subsequent experience, I came to a conclusion a long time ago, but the plane was not very thought out in terms of operational suitability. It is clear that in those days they didn’t really think about it and yet ..... Examples of what the cost of replacing the engine were, at least a day and a half, and on cmt it was still necessary to dismantle the seventh laid on fuel tank. It was not very convenient to work with the nozzles of the ATP, blowing off the boundary layer. To dismantle the converters and something else, they had to disassemble entire compartments. The fuselage undocking was also inconvenient. This is vain, for many details are forgotten. In general, I join the opinion that the best MiG-21 aircraft of the era.
  30. T62
    +1
    8 September 2015 14: 18
    It is noteworthy that in the United States many films were shot about the Vietnam War, but not a single one is ever known where fighter pilots would become the main characters. There was clearly nothing to be proud of in battle for the Vietnamese Americans.


    I agree, we have something to be proud of. But then where is our least-known film just about our pilots in Vietnam, not to mention the main characters of the film. Call or I forgot?
    If not, then what is the point of this "stone in their garden"?
    1. +2
      8 September 2015 14: 22
      Quote: T62

      I agree, we have something to be proud of. But then where is our least-known film just about our pilots in Vietnam, not to mention the main characters of the film. Call or I forgot?
      If not, then what is the point of this "stone in their garden"?

      The remark is largely fair Yes However, in fairness it should be noted that, unlike the Middle East, in Vietnam, our pilots did not directly participate in the hostilities.
  31. 0
    8 September 2015 14: 56
    Quote: veteran66
    Quote: anokem
    In July 1970, an air battle took place over the Suez Canal between MIG-21, piloted by Soviet pilots and Israeli Phantoms and Mirages-3. Score 5: 0 not in favor of the Soviet Air Force.

    If you mean an air battle on June 30, 1970, then 4 planes were shot down there and 3 pilots were killed, but this with more than a two-fold advantage of the enemy. The only plus for the Jews is that they competently planned the battle in a tactical sense, creating a "trap", but at the same time two Soviet pilots were able to escape from it, almost accomplishing the impossible thanks to the skill and maneuverability of their aircraft.

    This is true. The strength of the Israeli Air Force is its excellent training of pilots, careful planning of air operations to maximize the use of equipment and weapons. However, Israel often does not recognize losses or understates them.
    1. 0
      8 September 2015 16: 28
      Everyone is doing this. True, during the war, it suffers greatly from this (as already noted above). But victory in one battle and in an air war as a whole is not the same thing. Soviet pilots were not necessarily better than Israeli pilots until they had combat experience. In 1982, our "specialists" were sent to Syria with MiG-23ml planes to teach combat Syrian pilots. And I had to learn. The Syrians, for example, were not afraid to pilot in combat at a wing angle of 16, which terrified the "great Methodists." It also turned out that the MiG-23ml in some cases has advantages over the F-16 and F-15, which the Soviet pilots did not know about for obvious reasons.
  32. DPN
    0
    8 September 2015 21: 38
    Thanks for the article, I like MIGIs better than dry ones. probably relatives near gathered. The bad news is that all his secrets went to former friends of the USSR. Therefore, now this is not in mercy.
  33. 0
    15 September 2015 14: 01
    MiG-21 Aviation Legend drinks