The updated BMP-3 for the Russian army with the Sodema domestic thermal imaging sight will meet the best international standards

BMP B-11, created on the basis of the medium platform "Kurganets-25", in the next decade, together with the heavy infantry fighting system T-15 "Armata" will become the main tracked vehicles of combined arms units of the Russian army. At the present time, Russian motorized infantry rifles have at their disposal, mainly, long-obsolete second-generation infantry fighting vehicles. Before entering the B-11 and T-15, the BMP-3 should become an intermediate machine, the issue of the resumption of procurement of which is currently under discussion.

At the first military-technical forum "Army 2015" options for upgrading the BMP-3 were demonstrated. About the car with the sighting complex "Vityaz" "Messenger of Mordovia" has already been reported. It is time to talk about the new version of the BMP-3M.

The first thing that catches your eye is the presence of additional armor and lattice screens in the combat vehicle. They should significantly reduce the effectiveness of the most common anti-tank weapons in service with infantry. In addition, such screens should protect from the fire of large-caliber machine guns and some models of small-caliber guns. Because of this innovation, the weight of the BMP increased to 22 tons. True, this did not affect the characteristics of mobility. BMP, as before, is able to overcome water obstacles by swimming at a speed of about 10 km / h. By land, it can accelerate to 70 km / h.

The armament complex remained the same. These are the 100-mm cannon, which can be an anti-tank guided missile launcher, and three PKTM 7,62-mm machine guns.

By car significantly updated fire control system. So, the multi-channel complex "Sodema" of the development and production of the Vologda Optical-Mechanical Plant was used. This sight guarantees "high precision pointing weapons and reducing the time of destruction of targets. "Installed on the Sodema BMP, the 2 immediately replaces the gunner-operator sight: SOZH-M and Spring-K of Belarusian production.

Sight "SODEM" is designed to monitor the battlefield, the detection and identification of targets, measuring the distance to the target, guided guided ammunition. It provides aimed shooting from an armament complex at any time of the day, including in conditions of insufficient visibility.

Sodema has an independent stabilization of the visual field in two planes, it is equipped with a day-sighting and thermal imaging channels, an integrated laser range finder and a guided missile guidance channel.

The main technical characteristics of the scope "Sodema":

Type: combined, day-night (thermal), periscopic, with independent stabilization of the field of view in two planes, with a built-in rangefinder, guidance channel of a controlled projectile
There is a day sight channel
Target identification range, m at least 5500
Increase, x 2,5 and 12
Field of view, degrees 4 and 20
Thermal Imaging Channel:
Tank target recognition range, m, not less than 3000
Wavelength, µm 8 - 12
Field of view: wide, grad 9

The machine presented in Kubinka had a day-night surveillance device commander TKN-AI. The photo shows a laser spotlight for active-pulse illumination. This significantly increases the target detection range of the commander in poor visibility conditions (dust, smoke, fog).

Alternatively, you can use the panoramic sight commander PKP-K. Unlike the TKN-AI, the panoramic sight provides the commander with a circular view and has a thermal and television channels.

The machine is equipped with modern means of communication, navigation, and control of chassis parameters. Possible installation of air conditioning.

According to some information, much of what was shown on the upgraded BMP-3 will be used in the version of the machine intended for the Russian army. This will allow our motorized infantry rifles to wait for the adoption of the B11 and T-15 with more modern technology.

Comments

[shans2]

side gratings of course kill, such only in the steppes in Central Asia and the steppes on the Volga can be used, in other places with forest roads and mountain narrow serpentines, these gratings will often interfere due to the dimensions.

[Conductor]

It’s great ... at the exhibition. And do things go further than exhibitions? For BMP-3, for example, there’s a bunch of whistles that make life easier for their soldiers! It’s clear that the money from the contracts goes to modernize the plant, etc., but

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: shans2

and on mountain narrow serpentines, these gratings will often interfere due to the dimensions.

This will surprise you, but the grilles were normally used both in the mountains and in the cities. Take a look at the 888 war pictures - part of the 58th Army’s armored vehicles is equipped with factory-made grilles.

[Igor K]

Dear comrade, you may not be aware, but the main means of defeating armored vehicles today are the anti-tank systems and RPGs from which they protect lattice screens.
The refinement of the troyka in the direction of strengthening passive protection means is correct and timely.

[Support]

Lattices are cool. It seems that these are some antediluvian defense details .... some kind of crap.

[KGB WATCH YOU]

Antediluvian protection is beds, netting and window bars. And these lattice screens are installed according to science. Back in the USSR, it was calculated that such a grill (correctly installed) reduces the chance of penetration from an RPG-7 (the main weapon of all sorts of "babakhs") by 50%.

[cast iron]

The probability of destruction of cum grenades on such gratings according to tests of the Research Institute of Steel EMNIP about 0.4. Those. fifty%. Under ideal conditions, grenades arrive at a normal angle. And so in the field, the probability of saving the car is reduced to 50%. But men are glad that finally on BMP-20 they installed additional armoring from heavy machine guns.

[Aristocrat]

0.4 is 40%

[Bkmz]

You don’t know why they put gratings? Well, drive it into Google or Yandex.

[Blackgrifon]

I wonder why the version with KAZ is not presented? It seems that the Arena was offered to put on the BMP-3.

[would]

I suspect the whole thing as always in the price. It’s much cheaper to put gratings simple as three kopeks with armor screens than KAZ, and at the same time extra extra armor which is never superfluous :)

[exalex2]

"Sodema will meet the best international standards"
Will be .. Maybe there is no better or better ?. Who creates the "best world standards" by which one should be equal? Are we always running errands?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: exalex2

Are we always running errands?

Listen Sasha, I read your comments and each can be expressed like this - "I live and cry"

[exalex2]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Listen Sasha, I read your comments and each can be expressed like this - "I live and cry"

And how should a mechanic assembler of aircraft, who are more than 50 years old, whose factory was destroyed and a shopping center so necessary for the city built in its place ??? Laugh and dance with happiness? We must be glad that I’m not jumping, and the desire to start doing it more and more (((

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: exalex2

And how should a locksmith assembler of aircraft, which is more than 50 years old, who destroyed the plant and built in its place the so-necessary shopping center

Do you know how many factories have sunk into oblivion throughout the country? And now what to sit and cry. Or, if you think with a wave of a magic wand, all this can be restored in one fell swoop.
An article for a new scope, is there anything to shed tears or that they would not do it anyway bad huh?

[exalex2]

"An article for a new sight, there is no need to shed tears, or what would not have done badly anyway, right?"
About the sight, I expressed my opinion. The rest is just yours. Oh, by the way, about the plants that have sunk into oblivion .. And how many people have lost just the meaning of life, because this is a native home, which was taken and demolished before your eyes. You probably don’t know this, young man. Do you want to earn a janitor? I invite, the city of Engels, City Stadium ..

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: exalex2

You don't know that, young man.

Youth is not a vice.

Quote: exalex2

Do you want to earn a janitor?

He worked as a janitor, though it was during the holidays at school, I don’t remember already, but somewhere in the year 89 probably. I don’t remember exactly.

[Tanais]

Quote: exalex2

We must be glad that I’m not jumping, and the desire to start doing it more and more (((

With this something needs to be done ... To overcome yourself or what? Choose some other option than "jumping"?

For "maydanutost", in any of its manifestations, does not have anything positive ...

[FM-78]

You know? that a good locksmith gets more than the average lawyer in Moscow?

[corporal]

Quote: exalex2

Are we always running errands?

We are always on the catch-up.

Matrices for the thermal imager are ours, or are we using French stocks?

[captain]

We have a lot of BMPs left. BTR and BRDM from the Soviet army. Of course, you need to create new models of military equipment, but this is a lot of money and a long production process. It is necessary to modernize old equipment to the state of the art. For example, the Tula have developed a complex "Berezhok" and "Bakhcha-U", which make it possible to equip old vehicles with new fire control systems and surveillance systems, a new complex of dynamic protection has appeared, new means of communication have appeared. It is cheaper for the state, it will make it possible to send more money for R&D. This will allow to allocate more funds for industrial modernization and infrastructure construction. This will give an opportunity to increase pensions for our people.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: captain

Of course, you need to create new models of military equipment, but this is a lot of money and a long production process. It is necessary to modernize old equipment to the state of modern

In my opinion, the purchase of BMP-3 is not a modernization of old equipment, because they are being bought from the factory with new ones. Yes, and the BMP-3 was created according to the technical specifications of the military, not Serdyukovsky managers, so it is not a fact that the new BMP (Kurgan-25) in combat conditions will show itself better than the BMP-3.

[Per se.]

Quote: Bad_gr

and not Serdyukov’s managers, therefore it’s not a fact that the new BMP (Kurgan-25) will prove to be better in combat than the BMP-3.

The new BMPs (T-15 "Armata", "Kurganets-25") were more created for the concept of a compact army, for the tasks of anti-terrorist operations and participation in local conflicts. In this sense, it is more a police vehicle than an army one. If conclusions are drawn only about Afghanistan and Chechnya (where we essentially fought with militants using partisan tactics, and not with the modern army), then, in principle, Makarov laid everything out logically, in addition, with the former "friendship" with America and Europe. However, the days of friendship with the United States and NATO are over, we are being insulted from all sides, how relevant the old approaches are now is a question. A bunch of BMPTs and a heavy armored personnel carrier (based on the T-72 / T-90 tank base) instead of the expensive T-15 monster seems more logical and more effective for war. The same BMP-3, as a universal combat vehicle, has far from exhausted its potential, is there any point in changing it here for the same Kurganets-25, the same question, especially since it is still tested and refined. The BTR-90 was stabbed to death, whether the Boomerang will be better is also a topic for controversy. Tradesmen rule, money, and not the criteria for the country's defense. You need to have your own understanding of the role of armored forces in the defense of Russia, Russia, and not the United States or Israel. When there is an understanding of how and in what way it is better for us to defend our country, maybe then technical questions will be replaced by answers and correct conclusions.

[Igor K]

I agree one hundred percent, the BMPT concept can not be brought to mind with its obvious advantages and the already developed method of upgrade 72 in the BMPT-2 variation.
Again bmpt - 1 creates a reserve for developments on the topic of crewless ones. That is, two fighters located on the sides and controlling automatic grenade launchers control crewless 72.

[exalex2]

Smart, commendable ..

[would]

modernize old equipment to the state of modern

It is cheaper for the state

In fact, the situation is often the opposite and the cost-result efficiency is higher for new equipment than for modernized one. At the same time, the development of new technology is more beneficial in that it allows you to pour money into new technologies, into new standards, and bring production to a new level.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: exalex2

It is cheaper for the state

Quote: rait

In fact, often the situation is the opposite ....

Upgrading to modern equipment is more expensive than buying a new one, since work on dismantling old equipment + reworking attachment points for new ones is added here, and it is much cheaper to do it right away.

[max702]

Again, an article written according to an advertising booklet, a minimum of numbers and a maximum of water .. They wrote the weight increased to 22t but the speed did not change the same 70 km / h, and why? maybe the engine is different? The one that 660l / s instead of 500 as before, that is, not UTD-29 but UTD-32, then a new sight, but no word was said about such a possible feature as an automatic target tracking, although the Arabs seemed to be given it. About the air conditioner it’s not funny at all, it’s high time to do it not as an option but as a compulsory package (I remember even the poor "Nexia" has one). Reservation had previously held a "large" on board, and dynamic protection was put on the RPG (although if additional armor was hung, it was gut).
rs: To be honest, the shown modernization is very similar to the "cheapest" on the T-72b3 (not Olympic). I recommend looking at this link for an article about the BMP-3, a sea of ​​information from the user.http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/07/3.html

[31rus]

In all these advertisements, the word "will" is very annoying, developed, tested, all forward to the troops, and not advertise at exhibitions and salons

[exalex2]

Quote: 31rus

In all these advertisements, the word "will" is very annoying, developed, tested, all forward to the troops, and not advertise at exhibitions and salons

Shout to the whole world. This is only possible here. The rest is a mystery (I hope). And it's better not to know about "this" ..

[Michael_59]

And here was such a modification with a mounted DZ:

And with KAZ "Arena":

It is a pity that there is no autonomous propulsion system. On parking lots again all 500 diesel horses to drive?

[gjv]

Quote: Michael_59

It is a pity that there is no autonomous propulsion system. On parking lots again all 500 diesel horses to drive?

For the BMP-3M, the engine was turbocharged. Power increased to 660 hp

[Michael_59]

Quote: gjv

Power increased to 660

Thanks, missed.

[Igor K]

It is possible to attach equipment based on MTLB to the unit, which will power the phase in parking lots and in ambushes.

[andrei.yandex]

Modernization of the BMP-3: modest and cheerful.

[exalex2]

The captains with the stars behave modestly somehow. Unclear..

[tchoni]

in general .... did not get it ... The article once again proves that the destiny of a three-ruble note is to be an excellent light tank ... with the possibility of transporting infantry .... a kind of "merciless" light ....

[Vladimir 1964]

It looks cool, but I have one question. How to load a tape with 30 mm shells, the lattices interfere and put the tray (tower) and the movement of the tape (cabinet). I’m not going to lie. I didn’t serve on 3, only on 2, but they have the same equipment and loading of 30 mm shells. By the way, the norm for a full BMP-2 load on a C grade is more than an hour.

[cast iron]

It never occurred to you that trellis screens are an option that will not always be installed and not everywhere? )))

[svp67]

Why are foreign buyers offered BMP-3 "Dragoons", with a front MTO and an autonomous combat module, but do not want it in the RF Armed Forces?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: svp67

Why are foreign buyers offered BMP-3 "Dragoons", with a front MTO and an autonomous combat module, but do not want it in the RF Armed Forces?

And how good is this Dragoon? With the front engine, we have a BMP-1-2. Put the right module on them and get the right one. Why ruin a balanced car in favor of someone's whim?

[svp67]

Quote: Bad_gr

Why ruin a balanced car in favor of someone's whim?

Not successful in BMP-3, the assault landing is thought out, very unsuccessful. And many foreign buyers are asking for just such a modernization, moreover, they are inviting arms manufacturers from Germany, France and Israel to consider this issue.
In general, in September this machine will be shown in Nizhny Tagil

[Bad_gr]

Quote: svp67

Not successful in BMP-3, the assault landing is thought out, very unsuccessful. And many foreign buyers are asking for just such a modernization, moreover, they are inviting arms manufacturers from Germany, France and Israel to consider this issue.

Where does this opinion come from?
BMP-3 is by far the best-selling BMP.
That is, she has the most successful combination of fighting qualities.
The engine at the rear made it possible to have frontal armor holding a 30mm projectile hit + position the crew and weapons in the most comfortable place of the car (where it’s the least chatting). Those who have had to operate this car praise it for driving comfort.
And the fact that she allegedly has a high landing rate (by the way, covered by armored shields) - take a look at what height he has at the MDFs that are used by the Americans in Afghanistan.

[exalex2]

Quote: Bad_gr

The engine at the back allowed to have a frontal armor holding a blow

No comments .. Marshal, and nothing else.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: exalex2

Quote: Bad_gr

The engine at the back allowed to have a frontal armor holding a blow

No comments .. Marshal, and nothing else.

That is, you didn’t read anything about the creation of the BMP-3, and you didn’t watch documentaries about its creation, but are you going to judge its design features?

[tchoni]

what

Quote: Bad_gr

BMP-3 is by far the best-selling BMP.

doesn’t mean that

Quote: Bad_gr

she has the most successful combination of fighting qualities.

Quote: Bad_gr

And the fact that she allegedly has a high landing rate (by the way, covered by armored shields) - take a look at what height he has at the MDFs that are used by the Americans in Afghanistan.

You don’t confuse the cold with the soft ... jump out through the APPAREL .. or climb out through the hatch, opening 3 more hatch along the way ... well, that, as they say in Odessa, is two big differences ... Dig into YouTube and compare the landing of the shell , BMP-3 or from a typhoon ...
first look at this video where people sit in the "Shell" - and it, by the way, is without upper hatches, so the crap seems to be less ..

And then this ... where the people jump out of the typhoon through the ramp ...

And we compare ... And we also remember that in the "three-ruble note" people ride next to a decent stack of high-explosive fragmentation shells and charges for them ...
And the understanding comes that the BMP-3 is first a light tank, and then an armored personnel carrier ...

[Bad_gr]

Question:
Are you yourself with the BMP-3 (BMD) landing?
or is it purely from the couch comments about its inconvenience, explosiveness?

[tchoni]

I am familiar with the BMP-3 superficially .... More with an engineering machine based on it ... BMD was met at the training ground. more experience with the BTR 80. But even out of it with a backpack quickly jumped out a dozen trawl fighters ... Aparelka in this case is much more convenient. Great seconds saves. According to the experience of the same typhoon.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: tchoni

BMP-3 is superficially familiar ....

There was a reference (http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2013/07/3.html from max702) where about a BMP-3 is written by a person who has pretty much traveled on it. He writes the same about shortcomings. But nowhere is the inconvenience of the exit mentioned.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: tchoni

jump out through the APPAREL .. or climb out through the hatch, simultaneously opening 3 more hatchways ... well, that, as they say in Odessa, is two big differences ...

That is,
high jump from here

and from here, much easier?

[tchoni]

Quote: Bad_gr

and from here, much easier?

A lot. 1) do not raise the top hatch. 2) it is not necessary to bend down opening the lower hatch .. 3) it is not necessary to squeeze from the front landing places through combat or climb out into narrow hatches ...

[Aristocrat]

I’ll tell you as a former military man and as a current oilman that from a pin-dos-booth you will not only fall, but also break a leg that has fallen between the steps. This is a typical injury for similar ladders (although they have a railing + exploitation in peacetime). And under the adrenaline and lead rain guaranteed problems ... BMPshny option definitely steers.

[svp67]

Quote: Bad_gr

BMP-3 is by far the best-selling BMP.

And this is only due to the power of weapons.

Quote: Bad_gr

The engine at the rear made it possible to have frontal armor holding a 30mm projectile hit + position the crew and weapons in the most comfortable place of the car (where it’s the least chatting).

The crew and weapons everywhere, on any infantry fighting vehicles are placed closer to the geometric center, you apparently had an air assault.
And into the account that thanks to this alone it was possible to protect itself from 30mm shells, and so the BMP "Puma"

She has MTO in front, but this does not prevent her from having a "forehead" holding 30-mm shells.
By the way, NOW, this is the best-selling BMP in the world.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: svp67

She has MTO in front, but this does not prevent her from having a "forehead" holding 30-mm shells.

This is with a car weight of 43 tons.
BMP-3 weight 18,7 - 22 tons (depending on version)

Quote: svp67

By the way, NOW, this is the best-selling BMP in the world.

I did not find data on its sales, but at its price of 5 million dollars - I doubt that it is the best-selling

[Bad_gr]

Quote: svp67

Crew and Armament everywhere, on any infantry fighting vehicle placed closer to the geometric center

Quote: svp67

And on the account that thanks to this alone it was possible to protect itself from 30mm shells, ...

From the history of the BMP-3.
According to the technical requirements, the BMP-3 forehead was supposed to hold a 30mm shell. Why frontal armor reinforced with steel armor (the machine itself is aluminum). And to balance the car, the engine was moved to the stern. It turned out a car with an ideal weight distribution, which affected the smoothness of the course (hence the accuracy of shooting increased) and its behavior afloat.

[Michael_59]

Quote: shans2

side grills of course kill

It’s you who come to the Syrian tankmen and tell us ...

[bmv04636]

I think soon we will see a module like Bakhchi with only 57 mm automatic gun and 2a82 gun