"Army Games". Four questions to the Ministry of Defense

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Having visited several events as part of the “Army Games” as a correspondent, I want to ask the Ministry of Defense a few questions. If to be completely accurate, the questions are addressed to the press service of the Ministry of Defense, but since it is still part of the ministry, the questions are set by the highest authority.



The first and most important question. For whom it all started?

No, it is absolutely clear that first of all, for foreign media. Then for the top TV channels. And then for everyone else. Since, by the will of fate, "Military Review" turned out to be in the "all others" category, here are our impressions of the events we visited.

Accreditation. We ordered it through the website of the Ministry of Defense on time and provided all the requested information. About myself, equipment, vehicle. Everything is as it should be. Why am I writing this in such detail? It will become clear a little later.

Alabino

Here, at the opening, they were still more or less equal. Everybody delivered buses, the best places were given to the Rossiya State Television and Radio Company and foreign media, the rest were arranged as best they could. Given some of our training, we did not feel particularly disadvantaged. Everyone was cramped, but somehow fit.

But it was at the opening that an announcement was made that a certain “Press Tour” was being formed, where, in principle, everyone was invited. Its essence was that the participants of this press tour of the Ministry of Defense drove to all the events of the Army Games. Airplanes, helicopters and other transport. The idea was not bad, but we abandoned it. We simply couldn’t allow ourselves to live in Moscow for two weeks, and decided that we would get to events that interest us.

The fact that we made a big mistake, we realized the next day.

Ryazan, Aviadarts

It was my fourth “Darts”, and, to be honest, I waited more from them than from the Voronezh stages. New polygon and all that. What a sin to conceal, there were some complaints to the Voronezh stages of conducting, but as it turned out, I was furious with fat.

So, immediately after the end of the opening ceremony in Alabino, we moved to Dubrovichi. And arrived there in the early morning. We arrived at the checkpoint of the test site, passing two checkpoints, where we were easily missed when we saw the accreditation cards at the Games. At the checkpoint we were met by the captain Seliverstov, who in rather harsh terms demanded that the car be removed for the first post. He argued this by a personal order of Colonel Klimov, the head of the press service of the Air Force.

I called Klimov. And he, about a miracle, confirmed it. Since we were not accredited through the headquarters of the Air Force, we could not have a proper pass, because the machine for the checkpoint and on "on general grounds". That is, on dedicated buses.

The “common grounds” on that day is a march on 4 km with cameras, tripods and other devices. The promised buses were not. Not from the Air Force, nor from the Ministry of Defense, nor from the governor of Ryazan. Everyone wishing to attend this holiday, walked.

When we reached the checkpoint, we found there a crowd that had come before us. The crowd tried to squeeze through the 4 framework of metal detectors. We approached the barrier and asked to let us through it. Really feared for the camera in the crowd.

Naturally, we were not allowed. Obviously in our baggage, MANPADS could be slyly hidden. Although luxury jeeps drove quite calmly and without inspections.

Thanks to the residents of Ryazan who missed us.

Once on the territory, we did not have time to relax. The press center also did not want to let us in, since we do not have passes. Arguments that the cards are issued in the press center were for the wimps. And on the protection of these did not stand. It took another call to Colonel Klimov and his appearance on the stage. Then we still missed.

Then it took some time in the press center to prove that we have the right to be there. Our accreditation for a long time could not find. And they found it only with the help of one captain, who was able to dig it out in the depths of the computer. Moreover, the ladies from the Air Force press service accused us of this. Say, it was necessary to be accredited through our service, would be like people.

Well, the last. When it was officially announced that the event because of the plane crash stopped, do you think there were buses for people? Correct, it was not. Another march. Thank you BBC!

In general, compared with the events in Pogonovo, Aviadarts in Dubrovich looked not just pale. No, he did not look.

Ostrogozhsk. "Masters ABT"

Taught by bitter Ryazan experience, we were ready for anything. However, we were not only missed without problems, but also along with our car. And for work, nobody really needed our accreditation. Although, at the entrance to the press center, seeing the lieutenant colonel of the Air Force, we were a little tense. Ryazan syndrome worked. However, Comrade Lieutenant Colonel Drobyshevsky turned out to be a real fellow correspondent. What is local, that those who were brought by helicopters as part of a press tour from Buturlinovka, where they threw it on the plane.

Work was given equally to everyone. And local, and flown. Exactly how to work as correspondents. For that special thanks to the command of the military unit 20155, and to the representatives of the press service Lieutenant Colonel Drobyshevsky and Lieutenant Polovodov.

I sincerely regret that next year ABT Masters are planning to spend in Chelyabinsk. In the Ostrogozhsky training center they are able to organize the process. And when work becomes a holiday - and work is easier.

Wide Karamysh. "Masters of Artillery Fire"

A visit to the Saratov region has become the apogee of our adventures. I admit that we were not ready for this turn of events.

We arrived there in the morning of August 10. In accordance with the instructions on the website of the Ministry of Defense, that on this very day everything will be shown to the correspondents. Here we come.

We were quite calmly missed, and we got to the press center. And then miracles began. I will not describe for a long time what happened, I will limit myself to not being expected there. They didn’t wait for anyone except the representatives of the “press tour”. Accordingly, they were given the opportunity to shoot everything, and to us - “on a general basis,” that is, on the podium. The problem is that this landfill is artillery. That is long. And I could not “get” from the stands to the most interesting places with my optics. Well, I don’t yet have lenses like the Muscovites. And Romina camera also can not 2 km. Therefore, we were ready to climb the closest possible distance; we still need to do something.

And then Mr. Colonel (he had no surname on his jacket) explained to me that we have accreditation, or not, he doesn’t care. There is an indication - to start the site only of representatives of the "press tour", and that’s all. The rest - to the podium. Point.

We were forced to give up work there. Having traveled 560 kilometers, half of which are on terrible Saratov roads, “putting” the car in one place, not in the best weather conditions (+ 43), we still wanted to work there. This is a principle. But - alas. We just began to ignore. It is very unpleasant to feel like talking furniture.

This is what I have as a media representative (albeit online media, but some!) Questions to the Ministry of Defense:

1. Who are these games for? If for a dozen mainstream media outlets in the country, then why accredit others?

2. If accreditation is granted, if a vehicle is declared in it, then why is it really impossible (Dubrovichi) to use it? And, on the contrary, in Ostrogozhsk I would pass these 300 meters effortlessly. But there - missed.

3. If there is accreditation, why do people just spit on it on the spot (Karamysh)? What is her price then?

4. What is the need to divide into first and second grade? The first one (press tour) is everything, the second one is a tribune. Will they write better or take it off? Perhaps, but each media has its own audience. Disinterest in the media, except 1 and 2 channels, "Stars", RT and "LifeNews" I saw. Appreciated.

"Army games" for me over. I do not know what will happen next, if in the same way as in this, then it will be easier to accumulate other people's photos, and this will be the end of it. And even easier - just watch the telly. And you don’t have to go anywhere, prove your right to work, and try to talk about how wonderful things are in our armed forces. Everything can be seen on the 1 channel. Or on the "Star".

The only question is whether these channels are watched by those for whom we are trying to work. That is, young people who live not in front of the TV, but in front of the monitor. And here I personally have an unequivocal answer. But the press service of the Ministry of Defense is clearly not clear.

PS Already when I wrote all my thoughts, they asked me a question: the Defense Ministry will now ban you for criticism, so what? And nothing. The spectator will go if need be. Because the correspondent of the third grade from the viewer is not very different. So nothing. Experienced and not so.
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  1. +24
    13 August 2015 06: 10
    Oh, the wrong questions ... Obviously the wrong ones !!!
    1. +15
      13 August 2015 06: 36
      The only question is whether these channels are watched by those for whom we are trying to work. That is, young people who live not in front of the TV, but in front of the monitor. And here I personally have an unequivocal answer. But the press service of the Ministry of Defense is clearly not clear.


      As practice shows, young people "enslaved by the Internet" into the virtual plane of life, in this way, in the "field", on the "air", cannot be pulled out ...

      Here we need a different way, a tight, real contact with the individual. And so ...

      Young people will look at it (at best), and again they will bury themselves in a monitor with some sort of "World of" ...
      1. +26
        13 August 2015 10: 09
        Well, WOT is better than House -2 or TNT-STS clowns good ! I also want to add that a lot of young people prefer to go in for sports recently, fortunately we have enough gyms in the city, the only question is the affordability of the price tag, and there are less bukhara! good
        1. -47
          13 August 2015 12: 55
          Who is this Skomorokhov? Writes that is a kind of online media? Which one And what do I care about his ordeal if I first hear his name.
          1. jjj
            +16
            13 August 2015 13: 47
            Getting information first-hand is expensive. It is clear that you need to get into the pool and ride as part of a group. In this case, the administration should spend money. And here the question clearly arises: what is "Voennoye Obozreniye"? Is this a major federal media outlet or just an unassuming resource?
            Judging by the attendance ratings, this is a major media outlet. But in terms of the degree of information acquisition, second hands are just a place for communication. As I understand it, you will not become instantly known and officially respected media. We need daily work. And for such work, a staff of local correspondents is needed, accredited at military-industrial complex enterprises and troops. At first, work can go on a voluntary basis, but with the issuance of certificates of correspondents of "VO". Later, you will definitely have to acquire a staff of employees. Otherwise, "second grade" will always be
          2. +1
            13 August 2015 15: 36
            Well, if you are illiterate or deaf-blind, then why, in general, do you crawl with comments?
          3. +19
            13 August 2015 17: 04
            Quote: Vasyok Trubachev
            Who is this Skomorokhov? Writes that is a kind of online media? Which one And what do I care about his ordeal if I first hear his name.


            And there is nothing to say ... laughing
            1. +16
              13 August 2015 18: 26
              He writes that he represents a certain online media? Which one?

              sometimes it seems to me that the old-timers of the site also need to be highlighted with a special "guards" badge (since there are shoulder straps and a rating), so that it is even visually clear which person in the topic lives on the site, and which one does not understand why this or that person places on IN the article and how sideways he is to the community))
              1. +4
                14 August 2015 13: 02
                And what to do for people like me - I have been reading "VO" for a long time, but I have registered quite recently, and I comment extremely rarely)?
            2. 0
              16 August 2015 09: 21
              Novel, with all sincere and deep respect for you, you obviously made a strategic mistake, which you yourself wrote about in the first paragraphs.
              But I’m not about this, but in order to express my sympathy, for the time spent and the spoiled mood.
          4. +5
            13 August 2015 17: 23
            Quote: Vasek Trubachev
            Who is this Skomorokhov? Writes that is a kind of online media? Which one And what do I care about his ordeal if I first hear his name.

            Well, what can I say to that?
            As I heard, VO received media status.
            And what is the media?
            These are weapons of mass destruction.
            Now the question.
            In our country, can an outsider issue such a license?
          5. Fox
            +7
            13 August 2015 18: 47
            Quote: Vasyok Trubachev
            if I hear his name for the first time.

            aerobatics! just look at comics in VO?
          6. +4
            14 August 2015 07: 52
            Quote: Vasyok Trubachev
            Who is this Skomorokhov? Writes that is a kind of online media? Which one And what do I care about his ordeal if I first hear his name.

            laughing Are you kidding me? Then I appreciated your humor! "What kind of internet media does he represent? !!" good laughing
          7. +3
            14 August 2015 07: 56
            Quote: Vasyok Trubachev
            Who is this Skomorokhov? Writes that is a kind of online media? Which one And what do I care about his ordeal if I first hear his name.

            I'll put you plus you laughing
            1. 0
              14 August 2015 09: 08
              Well, you jokes dear belay
          8. +1
            14 August 2015 09: 12
            Quote: Vasyok Trubachev
            Who is this Skomorokhov? Writes that is a kind of online media? Which one And what do I care about his ordeal if I first hear his name.


            If you "voiced" the thoughts of "Mr. Colonel without a surname":
            And then Mr. Colonel (he had no surname on his jacket) explained to me that we have accreditation, or not, he doesn’t care. There is an indication - to start the site only of representatives of the "press tour", and that’s all. The rest - to the podium. Point.
            , then perhaps it makes sense to support you.


            It seems to me that for the organizers from the Ministry of Defense, in relation to the media, "all cats are gray" ...
            The rules are the same for everyone, well, except perhaps for "especially close ones." And "some kind of Internet media", as you put it, is still one of those ...

            That is, they "don't care" what kind of media is in front of them, what logo they have on their microphone (vest) ...

            At the forefront are their orders and instructions ...

            Therefore, "EVERYTHING IN THE GARDEN, EVERYTHING IN THE GARDEN" (to the podium).
          9. +1
            14 August 2015 17: 15
            Yes, it doesn’t matter at all who he is and in what status, the person has issued accreditation, this is the main thing ...
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      2. +2
        13 August 2015 13: 55
        I read it, I sympathized with a laugh.
        Advice for the future. Aggregation is a good thing. But it is better to seek help from colleagues and friends in the parts involved in this performance. There will be no problems or at least.
        So good luck next time.
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    2. +4
      13 August 2015 13: 48
      Quote: smel
      Oh, the wrong questions ... Obviously the wrong ones !!!

      :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
      What was the division into first and second grades for?

      ... Roman, and then there is "P-Pool"! fellow laughing
      Ehhh ... you all forgot:
      Where we have been
      We were not given tanks,
      But we never lost.
      On pickup truck
      And with one Nagant
      The first to break into the city.
      1. +3
        13 August 2015 16: 58
        At the air ranges, the "closest" targets (mainly for the AP) are located 750 m. (We have it) from the checkpoint for obvious reasons (for bombs 3 km.). It will be difficult for outsiders to understand something from such distances, especially civilians without optics. I think that it would be necessary to adapt some kind of airship or drone and display an image on some kind of screen.
        I remember not a single case when RP ran to the bomb tablet with the words: "I saw a hit with my own eyes! What a deviation there is !!!" There was nothing left but to contact the observers and confirm where the BP had got to. From the tower it seems to him, when it hits the target on his "visual" line, that it is hit, but observers at other observation points speak of a deviation. hi
        It would not hurt and desh. Install cameras in front of targets in casings.
  2. +19
    13 August 2015 06: 27
    That's all right. our MO does not like "out-of-pocket" journalists. and why? Watch what is shown to you and do not go into the nuances.
    We can handle it. That's right, Roman, they’ve not seen and coped with such
    1. +1
      13 August 2015 07: 09
      Quote: domokl
      That's all right. our MO does not like "out-of-pocket" journalists. and why? Watch what is shown to you and do not go into the nuances.
      We can handle it. That's right, Roman, they’ve not seen and coped with such

      And if you look at the text of the article from a different angle? Putting yourself in the shoes of "young people sitting in front of the monitor"?
      How will the young person perceive the thrust of the article? Most likely, he will be frightened by "insurmountable difficulties".
      It is no secret that young people are becoming more and more apathetic, "breaking into a closed door", for them in "LOM" ...

      And here is such an "example" ... An adult uncle, a journalist, was "shot" at the "war games" ...

      And given the psychology of some (not small) young people, what do you think young people will do? Most likely they will say: "Nafig, nafig ... I need it," is struggling "..."
      1. +22
        13 August 2015 07: 29
        In order:
        1. As a "youth" born in 84, I understood the direction of the article as follows: the Moscow Region organized interesting events on the topic, but in some places on the ground some problems arose for journalists with "simple accreditation".
        Comment: The organization of a mass visit to a combat facility is a very troublesome business and, unfortunately, not all officers are familiar with. Therefore, excesses are possible in order to ensure safety. In the same Karamysh - artillery range. The transport and accompanying people were allocated for the press tour, but they simply forgot about the others. Lack of experience. They said to the locals: there will be a press tour, rush with them, but no orders have been received about others. So the question is with the author at.
        2. Difficulties for young people who are interested, not an obstacle, at one time, under the scorching sun across the field on the Rock above the Volga, people were breaking in hundreds of thousands and no one was complaining. Moreover, it was not said anywhere that spectators were not allowed into the stands.
        3. Those who do not want to "grumble" will not even try to advance to such an event.

        PS Thank you Roman for the objective coverage of events, let's hope the MO will take into account the shortcomings.
        1. +7
          13 August 2015 07: 41
          Quote: Llyric
          I, like "youth" born in 84

          That's right, you did that "Quote" ...

          In 30s "with a tail", "under a certain unfavorable coincidence of circumstances", you can become a grandfather (grandmother) ...

          It's about young people, ranging from: "When parents let them go for a walk," to "When they can be drafted into the army"

          And it's too late to try to influence the over-aged "dunce" man, since they missed it ...
        2. +7
          13 August 2015 11: 27
          Quote: Llyric
          Difficulties for young people who are interested are not an obstacle,

          Llirik, yes these are the "strongest, smartest and most enduring" "grandfathers" again started whining about the youth, already in "LOM" (the author does not concern), but it is more pleasant to blame the youth, you probably seem more powerful to yourself! Believe me, pupils of the unyielding Soviet school, our "rotten" youth, if they watch "VO" on a computer monitor, then they also look at "Star". Resources such as "VO" are not for a super audience, such as "Dom-2" or "Battle of psychics"
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      3. +8
        13 August 2015 09: 18
        I think you Romana misunderstood. He did not mean to attract iPhone youth to the training ground, he meant that his articles on the Internet were intended for this youth, because they do not watch federal channels.
        And really, why go to the training ground to get wet in the rain, go through all these metal detectors and prove that you do not have MANPADS? In this case, actually sitting on the podium, you will not see anything even with binoculars. At the same time you turn on YouTube you type in the search engine the name of the event and look at everything from a much better angle
        1. +2
          13 August 2015 09: 48
          Quote: gaura
          I think you Romana misunderstood. He did not mean to attract iPhone youth to the training ground, he meant that his articles on the Internet were intended for this youth, because they do not watch federal channels.
          And really, why go to the training ground to get wet in the rain, go through all these metal detectors and prove that you do not have MANPADS? In this case, actually sitting on the podium, you will not see anything even with binoculars. At the same time you turn on YouTube you type in the search engine the name of the event and look at everything from a much better angle


          And that, after reading on the Internet, something patriotic, "iPhone youth", as you put it, "inflamed" with a reciprocal feeling?
          Do not be naive.
          For them (at least most of them), this and other articles are nothing more than "passing moments" ...
          "Scrolled through" and flooded "hang out" to where it was "creative", and there is no need to strain.

          Young people need to be brought up "live". You didn’t bring up your children (you are educating, will educate) through telephone communication, did you?
          1. +1
            13 August 2015 22: 00
            Why not? Unlike the elderly, young people are open to the new, more plastic and inquisitive. And the old people, alas, all that can sit on a bench, remember old days and how good it was (and it doesn’t matter whether it was good there), to hate everything new and talk separately about the wrong youth and so on.

            For them (at least most of them), this and other articles are nothing more than "passing moments" ...


            For any Internet user, most articles are passing moments, and from the moments an understanding of the issue is built and interest is ignited.
    2. +7
      13 August 2015 09: 54
      Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
      But it was at the opening that the announcement was made that a certain "Press Tour" is being formed, where, in principle, everyone was invited. Its essence was that the Defense Ministry took the participants of this press tour to all the events of the Army Games. By airplanes, helicopters and other transport. The idea was not bad, but we abandoned it. We simply could not allow ourselves to live in Moscow for two weeks, and decided that we would get to the events we were interested in ourselves.

      What we made a big mistake, we understood the very next day.

      Novel hi
      I always read and comprehend your articles with attention. I respect your integrity, impartiality, honesty, truthfulness (whatever it may be) and detail in the quality of the transmission of information. But at this moment, to put it mildly, I am somewhat discouraged.
      You at the beginning of the article highlighted the main thing that the MO did and proposed to all accredited media and journalists. You yourself said that the idea was good (not bad), and, apparently, its implementation, in this context, was also implemented. You yourself refused, due to your good reasons, and received what you received.
      Then why are these "questions" and what is the MO fault in relation to you?
      “They don’t go to another's monastery with their own charter,” says a wise proverb.

      In my opinion, if it turned out what happened, it was better not to "blame" the MO and paint it in detail, but to describe it in detail, with the video-photographic material that you have worked out, those events where you still have it turned out to take part.
      And this, in my opinion, would be really interesting to read and discuss. Exactly Your vision the competitions themselves, and not "walking through torment."
      Best regards soldier
      1. +4
        13 August 2015 20: 24
        Then why are these "questions" and what is the MO fault in relation to you?


        It’s not clear to me how the press tour affects the problem of accreditation that SUDDENLY turned out to be local at global events and that the Moscow Region did not say anything about visiting the shooting area, etc. possible only as part of a press tour? So at least the author says. But if the Defense Ministry would definitely warn everyone, everything in advance would describe something with your message I would agree.
  3. +8
    13 August 2015 06: 30
    Organizing such things, especially all over the country, is hard and difficult. This should not be left to chance, in the hope of the locals. Someone will cope, someone not. It is necessary to train, organize and check 1000 times. I’m speaking as a leader with experience.
  4. +2
    13 August 2015 06: 43
    Yes, the fathers, though ugly. but monotonous ... and have you forgotten?
  5. +24
    13 August 2015 07: 10
    Dear Roman!
    Usually with great pleasure I read your articles, but here it somehow happened to be a pity.
    It seems that you still believe in fairy tales, or you live in another country.
    Maybe I don’t understand something, but please tell me, and on what other project (Olympics, Championships in all kinds of sports, and any significant event) did the organizers satisfy ALL comers?
    Don't you think that if the organizer creates an opportunity for you to cover the event, then you should use this opportunity, and not "twist your nose". I don’t want to offend, but it was your unwillingness to "play by the rules" of the organizer that put you in such a situation (the fact that you did not have the opportunity to follow the proposal of the RF Ministry of Defense is, excuse your problems).
    Reading sometimes the "claims" of some comrades, you are really surprised - have you seen it differently somewhere?
    Not even that - we have EVERYWHERE differently, namely HERE is wrong?
    These games are a political, economic, military and patriotic project. Those whom they really aim at will definitely see everything they need and draw the appropriate conclusions.
    This show can be compared with any strategic construction, roughly on this principle - to spit on the desires of a particular person (minority), most importantly, to work for the majority.
    And everyone, you’ll excuse me, you won’t look into your mouth, one doesn’t like the tribune, the other one wants to get there, the third of difficulties (this is the army), well, etc.
    The Ministry of Defense offered you its really working option, in which you could do your job - you refused, so what are the complaints?
    More than sure, in the tasks of these games there is definitely no point to please everyone and everyone.
    And if I'm not mistaken, no one promised the service of five-star hotels to anyone.
    I remember in the USSR everyone dreamed of polite sellers, the population had a direct fetish, so what, they destroyed the country, and sellers as they were boors, so they remained. This I mean that often because of the trees the forests are not visible.
    Did you go to cover the Games or their organization? If the second, then to you in the consumer protection society, only who and what has been violated regarding you, I personally do not understand.
    1. +1
      13 August 2015 09: 13
      I also want to add to your wish:
      Patience, patience and patience. The site is still young, and the reputation has been built up over the years, the time will come and the Russian Ministry of Defense will probably run after you.
    2. +3
      13 August 2015 10: 31
      But I don’t agree with you. I don’t know Roman personally, but he’s unlikely to be overly dramatic, but not joining two absolutely military-patriotic projects is bad. After all, they themselves probably spit more than once when amateurs who did not even see the machine gun begin to talk on TV about military equipment making such mistakes as girls, by golly ..
  6. +6
    13 August 2015 07: 11
    The first and most important question. For whom it all started?

    This is not a show, but a serious competition.
    Well, I don’t have lenses like Muscovites do. And Romina’s camera also can’t for 2 km. Therefore, we were ready to climb as close as possible, to do the thing anyway.

    There are safety requirements that are the same for everyone and to climb as close as possible is a violation! If you want to climb as close as possible - go to the Donbass, although there they are unlikely to let you go too close.
    1. +2
      13 August 2015 22: 11
      There are safety requirements that are the same for everyone and to climb as close as possible is a violation!


      So you want to say that the military who monitored the event constantly violated by releasing a press tour to the training ground? wink
  7. 0
    13 August 2015 07: 11
    Beautiful woman + armor - deadly force hi
  8. +4
    13 August 2015 07: 11
    Having visited several events within the framework of the Army Games as a correspondent, I would like to ask the Ministry of Defense a few questions.

    You are naive Roman however. Now MO will begin to answer you. How so.
    1. +3
      13 August 2015 10: 43
      Quote: professor
      You are naive Roman however. Now MO will begin to answer you. How so.

      The current one may answer. There the trolls are still sitting there. smile
    2. +1
      13 August 2015 13: 45
      but the Israeli army in the person of the "professor" will not forget you, where they can then draw materials for analysis .. bully
  9. -2
    13 August 2015 07: 14
    Offended a little .... comedy. Not that he expected, well, your mother, everyone is offended by the leadership. As the country of the Soviets was, it remained. And the funny thing is, not from the side of the leadership, but from the bottom. Well, do better, conduct proper accreditation and surprise everyone.
    1. -4
      13 August 2015 07: 33
      To the point.
      I wrote the same thing, only tried more tactfully.
      But in fact - everything is correct.
  10. +4
    13 August 2015 07: 19
    no one has canceled the human attitude, even among the military probably.
  11. +9
    13 August 2015 07: 51
    Personally, I'm more interested in whether the combat training plan in the troops is being implemented, for example, the same banal hitting of all categories of drivers, or all the resources for games?
  12. +3
    13 August 2015 08: 09
    P.S. Meal'n'Real! It seems that was the desire of the plebeians at sunset of the Roman Empire.
    1. +4
      13 August 2015 12: 26
      P.S. Meal'n'Real! It seems that was the desire of the plebeians at sunset of the Roman Empire. ,,
      in-in, and I have the same opinion. accreditation, accreditation, and someone thought a lot of money not only these ,, gladiatorial ”games, all these entertaining and educational games show. medicine, not retired. generally continue to have fun.
      1. +3
        13 August 2015 12: 43
        Under the presidents of the Russian Federation, Yeltsin and Putin, there was such a Minister of Defense - Marshal I.D. Sergeev.
        In general, Honored General.

        But now he introduced the concept - "cost training". Remember?
        He demanded that each soldier and officer know what the cost of a cartridge, shell, gun, tank, etc.

        Then it looked strange, to say the least.

        But as applied to the analysis of the goals, objectives and results of these war games, this term would not be superfluous.
  13. +1
    13 August 2015 08: 16
    Such events are rarely without problems. Deficiencies have been identified and we hope that they will be eliminated in the future. But with all my understanding of the activities of journalists, army games are not held for them, but for people who want to see firsthand that the army is there, that it is strong and is preparing to defend its homeland. In addition, there are few reports on TV and most of them are scanty, giving little for perception.
  14. +1
    13 August 2015 08: 17
    The usual thing is not a combination of instructions, but simply saying gibberish, what can I say if our warriors send google mail that belongs to the United States, the secret docks are sent, you can check them for your Humpty Dumplings and hacked the FSB about it.
  15. +1
    13 August 2015 08: 34
    As usual, we have everything through jo-y). It may come in handy, take the Nikon coolpix P900, its 83x optical zoom, maybe it will help out at the right moments.
  16. -5
    13 August 2015 08: 53
    But it was at the opening that an announcement was made that a certain “Press Tour” was being formed, where, in principle, everyone was invited. Its essence was that the participants of this press tour of the Ministry of Defense drove to all the events of the Army Games. Airplanes, helicopters and other transport. The idea was not bad, but we abandoned it. We simply couldn’t allow ourselves to live in Moscow for two weeks, and decided that we would get to events that interest us.
    Miser pays twice. which prevented a cry from VO about raising funds to support the coverage of this material. ? Visitors to the site are not poor people, most served a lot of calendars in the troops. And I think they would have thrown themselves into such an event. And a press tour is normal practice for such events.
  17. -6
    13 August 2015 08: 56
    Complaint Article!
    Nothing to be surprised! Forgot where you live?
    Ps Judging by the story, there is only one conclusion - it was suggested ...
  18. +3
    13 August 2015 09: 21
    For more than twenty years of a complete mess in the armed forces, a large number of functionaries, apparatchiks, and careerists have accumulated in the command in the worst sense of the word. And do not songs that these people will die tomorrow for you. These will not work. These will sit on soft chairs, with a smart look to carry a complete bullshit on divorces and meetings. They thumped for twenty years, and only two began to plow the polygons with their belly (thanks to Shoigu!). Therefore, it is necessary to clean this kumzavod! In Russia now, kinship and nepotism are everywhere, and as a result, people who have come there for merit and talent rarely appear in the management of state structures. The guys seem to write about Moscow Region and are surprised at the traditional Russian military distribution ... that entered folklore. For the low quality of such competitions, it is necessary to remove those responsible and to demolish. Alas, the times are not the same.
    But perhaps they are not from evil. The military think in a special way. It is difficult to require them to answer the questions you ask. They are told to count to three, they will count to three. Even if circumstances have changed and it is very necessary to four. I will give an example - during the service an order came out - all the trees in the unit should be of a certain height. Suppose 2 m., And there should not be overgrown around them. They installed a chainsaw on the lift and made Armageddon. Imagine poplar trees aged 40 years old cut down. On 2 m .... Then they chopped the shoot ... Instead of trees there are pillars. And with Christmas trees, this is generally. Spruce alley with sawn Bosko. Do you want to worry about you there ?! I beg of you! Do not make me laugh. Our MO is not yet ready for the fact that we need to be able to do quality window dressing. Well, not ready.
  19. -6
    13 August 2015 09: 50
    Journalist Roma asks questions to the Minister of Defense for accreditation ... yes, as if there was nothing more to ask. And I have one question for you - why did you post your journalistic whining here?
  20. +11
    13 August 2015 11: 07
    For some reason, everyone bypasses the main question: why, in principle, do we need these games?
    For what purpose are they organized?

    In order to promote military service?
    But there are less expensive propaganda activities for this.

    In order to show the power of our army?
    But for this there are military exercises of various levels, including those according to the BP plan.

    In order to show the world that we are the coolest?
    Why and to whom?
    In addition, - for this there is a solution in the previous paragraph.

    Just for the purpose of showing off (show) for the people?
    But the army is not a circus or a ballet. It is created for another.
    And, I note, the show turned out to be quite expensive ...

    Who can articulate the goals of these games?

    And do these goals correspond to the goals and objectives of the Russian Defense Ministry?
    And are the money spent (financial, material, etc.) justified by the results achieved?
    And how are these results expressed and embodied?

    Here is the forum member 205577 writes:

    "These games are a political, economic, military and patriotic project. Those they are really aimed at will surely see everything they need and draw appropriate conclusions.
    This show can generally be compared to any strategic construction site, approximately on the basis of this principle - do not care about the desires of a certain person (minority), the main thing is to work for the majority. "


    Is this really the goal and objectives of these games?
    So that someone sees something?
    Who exactly and what specifically?

    The army should not be engaged in politics. For this there is a military-political leadership of the country.
    The army has already practiced economics (an example is Serdyukov).
    Military project? But these are not military exercises. This is just a competition (rather sporting in nature). In principle, DOSAAF should do these things.
    Patriotism? May be. But it seems that this is more of a project for the media than for the patriotic education of youth.

    Here is Tanais:

    "And what, after reading on the Internet, something patriotic," iPhone youth ", as you put it," inflamed "with a reciprocal feeling?
    Do not be naive.
    For them (at least most of them), this and other articles are nothing more than "passing moments" ...
    "Scrolled through" and flooded "hang out" to where it was "creative", and there is no need to strain.
    Young people need to be brought up "live". You didn’t bring up your children (you are educating, you will educate) through telephone communication? "


    So clearly explain - for what purpose such events are held?

    Maybe I don’t understand something or missed it?

    Remember the game "Zarnitsa"?
    So these games, I think so, are suspiciously very ersatz like her.

    Or am I wrong in something?
    But at the moment this is my opinion.

    If this goes on, then soon we will arrange races on spaceships.
    1. +1
      13 August 2015 11: 18
      Quote: aviamed90
      Here is Tanais:

      "And what, after reading on the Internet, something patriotic," iPhone youth ", as you put it," inflamed "with a reciprocal feeling?
      Do not be naive.
      For them (at least most of them), this and other articles are nothing more than "passing moments" ...
      "Scrolled through" and flooded "hang out" to where it was "creative", and there is no need to strain.
      Young people need to be brought up "live". You didn’t bring up your children (you are educating, you will educate) through telephone communication? "

      So clearly explain - for what purpose such events are held?

      Maybe I don’t understand something or missed it?


      No need to "attach" my comment to the question "expediency-NOT-expediency", holding events like the" War Games ".

      The comment had a completely different orientation, lying outside the context that you set.
      1. +2
        13 August 2015 11: 22
        Tanais

        And I don’t fasten it.

        You wrote - I quoted you.

        By the way, I completely agree with you.

        And your comment helps to understand that in the field of patriotic education of youth, these games have dubious results.
        1. +1
          13 August 2015 11: 54
          Quote: aviamed90
          And your comment helps to understand that in the field of patriotic education of youth, these games have dubious results.

          My comment HELPS TO UNDERSTAND that PUBLICATIONS ON THE INTERNET, young people cannot be "rocked" ...

          And everything else that you thought up - YOUR OPINION ...
          1. +1
            13 August 2015 12: 04
            Tanais

            I didn’t invent anything.
            I just quoted you.

            Are you against?

            Then - I apologize.
  21. +3
    13 August 2015 11: 09
    we have accreditation or not, he doesn’t care. There is an indication

    Our country and our army live "according to concepts". As it was, it remains.
  22. -7
    13 August 2015 11: 38
    it is clear for whom it was started - the Russian layman demands revenge
    1. +6
      13 August 2015 11: 53
      Tofaa

      What is the revenge?
      In the Cold War?
      I do not think.

      By the way, I suspect that the "Russian man in the street" does not give a damn about who shot better at the range, danced a waltz on tanks or on an infantry fighting vehicle came to the finish line first.
      What is the revenge?
      It all means exactly what it means.
      Those. this particular calculation shot better, this particular crew danced the waltz better, or came to the finish line first.

      No more.

      It is more important for him (the taxpayer) so that the army and navy can fulfill their function of protecting the country.
      And for this you need to prepare, i.e. to conduct various kinds of military exercises, rather than games and semi-sports competitions, in order to show who is cooler.

      And the details of the process of combat training are for specialists and those interested.
      1. +3
        13 August 2015 12: 30
        Quote: aviamed90
        Tofaa

        What is the revenge?
        In the Cold War?


        Dear aviamed90, You are in vain contacting this misunderstanding. smile Take a look at his profile, registered today, in every comment he made a shame, and managed to find and comment on articles on Israel for 2012 !!! But he, the poor fellow and got minuses there. laughing His inappropriate behavior on the forum is very similar to a slight insanity as a result of a nervous breakdown, which guarantees a short life for a moth flying into a fire. He has two comments left for his "life", and you raise a serious topic about the Cold War, have pity on the holy fool, do not enter into cognitive dissonance. bully
        1. +1
          13 August 2015 12: 44
          Got it.

          I will consider.

          My oversight. But his title is general. How?

          Thank you for correcting.
          1. +1
            13 August 2015 13: 13
            But his title is general. How?,,
            There is a plus sign, and he has a pronounced minus, pay attention to the personality in pursuit.
      2. 0
        13 August 2015 13: 07
        Why "throw beads"? The runaway rats miss their ship.
  23. +1
    13 August 2015 12: 09
    Quote: Oleg Sobol
    I respect your integrity, impartiality, honesty, truthfulness

    Well, with the impartiality of Mr. Banshee, you got excited, sir. lol
  24. +4
    13 August 2015 13: 19
    Thanks to users for understanding the problem. Gladiator games have completely historical explanations and analogies. You just need to shake off the obsession of a sticky ohmurilovki. I understand everything to the old man, but we are no longer players. We must somehow delicately bring it to youth: you guys are bred.
    1. 0
      14 August 2015 01: 29
      It’s better to let them get bred so that they don’t bred in house-2, all the space and time took more useful.
  25. 0
    13 August 2015 13: 38
    I probably don’t understand something ... But where are the broadcasts of games on these "selected channels"? !!! And where ?!
  26. 0
    13 August 2015 14: 25
    I'll just say that I liked the games, I have nothing against them. All competitions are power-based, just for the military, to "fill" your hand once again and practice in the game mode. In addition, the organization of the competition itself was at the highest level, the guests were fed, well received, entertained and showed the power of the Russian army.
  27. +4
    13 August 2015 14: 40
    Quote: Sveik
    Who needs these "games" I can't understand. Attention, perhaps, to distract from some problems?

    Exactly. The most funny and sad thing is that judging by the photo, the organizers instructed gladiatorial figures everywhere (what does Russia have to do with it, but oh well). And the gladiatorial games in Ancient Rome were held on a particularly wide scale precisely when things were not going smoothly in the Roman state.
  28. +1
    13 August 2015 14: 41
    Strange, I personally was not at the games, but there were three of my friends, at different training grounds, everyone was delighted! If ordinary viewers felt a buzz, it means you just didn’t catch the wave, so write all sorts of nonsense! I read more than one review of games, I’m happy a lot)) By and large, they praise the cuisine, the Russians like to eat tasty food, but the games themselves have different materials, they all have positive emotions!
  29. +1
    13 August 2015 14: 42
    The man was not allowed to do his work (which is a pity), I understand him. I don’t have a TV set at home, so I won’t see the works of top TV channels.
  30. -2
    13 August 2015 14: 52
    It is difficult to judge such a large-scale event based on the story of one person. Perhaps there were some selection criteria among journalists, I don’t know. But in general, the atmosphere of the Games was transmitted both in print and on the Web.
    I like to follow the competitions, I like that our teams win and become the best. There were many interesting moments. For example, the "Field Kitchen" competition. It would not even occur to me to compete in who will cook the dishes of their own and someone else's national cuisine faster and tastier. But our chefs did it and treated the participants, commission members and spectators to glory.
  31. 0
    13 August 2015 14: 59
    I have only one question for the Ministry of Defense: how did they learn how to cook pogans? In my time, they were fed like cattle in an army army, and now from the heart. Just like in a real kitchen, if not in a restaurant! smile
    1. 0
      13 August 2015 16: 46
      I’ll also ask a bit: where can I dance with such a girl against eighties? feel
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  33. 0
    13 August 2015 17: 33
    The direction is essentially true, it is necessary to project your own values ​​through the media space, everything as taught in the fifth a, warrior, worker, intellectual (very carefully, with his nose, corte, lazy).
    In terms of the warrior, it is necessary to project both through movies and computer games, active games in the format of schools, sections, joint with military training. It is necessary to let the boys feel like warriors, defenders of the Motherland.
    And by the way, if a citizen wants to lead in such a large and complex country as Russia, he must go through this, including military training, in this direction to get a sufficient number of points, and no acquaintances and nepotism, only the best should fall into the leadership.
    It is necessary to deliberately approach the formation of the elite in the best sense of the word.
  34. -3
    13 August 2015 17: 38
    You are the bastard, Mr. Skomorokhov!
  35. +4
    13 August 2015 23: 24
    I, as an inveterate military pensioner, expected much more from high-sounding statements, both from officials of the Moscow Region and from the media, in particular from TV, I searched all the Russian channels for live broadcasts from these competitions, but no, I don’t give a damn about you, they offer only American-like action movies, trakhodromy of various stripes and other Nonsense. It's a shame for the power !! recourse Where is VoenTV on Russian open spaces ??? Kuzhugetovich answer, make a round-the-clock channel about the military for both the military and children. What would the younger generation look at the everyday life of the defenders of the Motherland, the exploits of grandfathers, fathers, sons and daughters, and not just what is being chased on TV. Oooooooo. Hear the voice of one crying in the wilderness, those in power !!
  36. 0
    13 August 2015 23: 43
    Quote: Vasek Trubachev
    Who is this Skomorokhov? Writes that is a kind of online media? Which one And what do I care about his ordeal if I first hear his name.
    Yes, you are my friend "careerist" - judging by the "rank" on the VO and the date of registration, I've "registered" a year earlier and still "captain". I immediately foresee the phrase from the famous song "... you will never be a major", but seriously, many people here know Roman, but who you are is still to be understood! These are called "oranges" in some circles. hi
  37. +2
    14 August 2015 01: 06
    Ryazan, "Aviadarts", Dubrovichi
    1. there were minibuses, including from the city, there were still 15r minibuses, from the parking lot to the frames we got in 10 minutes. We had to return on foot after the Mi-28, and then, we rode the minibuses collecting elderly and children.
    2. there were many young people. My son was 18, my friends came specially from the districts too (summer, villages). Moreover, we went 5.08 more and to close in Diaghilevo
    3. At the opening there was a wild mess with parking, the police said that they did not expect such an influx (10000 cars), on other days they parked under the direction of the Air Force warrant officers on a ruler
    4. I would like to have canopies over the stands, a better cultural program and a professional commentator
  38. 0
    14 August 2015 01: 31
    If you introduce laser markers on equipment and infantry, then in the presence of blank cartridges, charges, the battle will be almost real.
  39. -1
    14 August 2015 04: 42
    some personal experiences and grievances of the author, and all from personal disorganization, you need to prepare for such events and calculate the logistics of movements and other technical issues, and not rely on "maybe Russian", like everything will be for you, really for you, but you need to understand you are not the only one such "desired", but proper control, security, etc. at the facilities, too, no one canceled, the measures are huge and specific in scale, a lot of weapons, ammunition and support equipment, and "spies" around, however, you also need to understand, so keep your grievances to yourself ...
    1. -1
      14 August 2015 16: 24
      you need to prepare for such events and calculate the logistics of movements and other technical issues


      That is, you need to be extrasensory and know in advance that you can only find out after the fact?

      due control, safety, etc. at the facilities, too, no one canceled, the measures are huge and specific in scale, there are a lot of weapons, ammunition and support equipment, and "spies" around, however, you also need to understand,


      Exactly! A proper control is a regulated measure with which the actions of the media are coordinated and the restrictions of which they are warned in advance. What is described here is not a proper control, but a rare mess.
  40. +1
    14 August 2015 09: 30
    In short, the scribbler was offended that they didn’t welcome him so ... :)

    and the questions would have to be different ...
    for example - why the hell is that?
    how much does it cost?
    is there no better use of money?
  41. +1
    14 August 2015 11: 28
    It is understood that today's paramilitary SHOW, the desire to popularize army service.
    We FORGOT what Russia is! SCHA, ALL army men WILL BEGIN to offer "their" competitions.
    I had NO MOST doubts about the appointment of S. Shoigu EXACTLY "some" exhibition of achievement (achievements) will be organized .... I was wrong .... Biathlon was organized.
    You, by the way, PAY attention! Today, all the Armed Forces are engaged only in preparing for military "ballets" and "Beatlonim".
    Glory to GOD that the FSB with the Ministry of Internal Affairs did not reach such a DOOR.
    And they would have arranged an international SHOW to identify the best RESIDENT or, say, a competition between police departments to detain moonshiners or apartment bullies.
  42. +1
    14 August 2015 11: 43
    Quote: rait
    There are safety requirements that are the same for everyone and to climb as close as possible is a violation!


    So you want to say that the military who monitored the event constantly violated by releasing a press tour to the training ground? wink

    What does the "press tour" have to do with it?
    For each type and kind of aircraft there are training courses for troops. As the background THESE "would-be competitions" Require company (battery) commanders to comply with guidelines when training personnel?
    This is military VANITY! Now in EVERY unit RACES WILL START! And what happens if you violate the requirements of EXISTING Troop Training Courses? Correctly!!! Corpses and Maimed.

    There are kinds of troops where the BROADCASTER to show competitions BES-PO-LEZ-BUT.
    For example, a military branch like artillery. The same competition commanders of artillery batteries (divisions). Outwardly, it is ABSOLUTELY non-ostentatious competitions .... And only SPECIALIST KNOWS what DYNAMICS is in the course of performing tasks by an artillery officer.
    1. 0
      14 August 2015 16: 30
      Despite the fact that it was precisely the participants in the press tour who were directly allowed to go to the training ground (according to the author in the article), and according to Good, this is forbidden, that is, the military who watched the competitions massively committed a violation. Well, or in fact, there is no violation, and the author’s indignation that the press tour was allowed to the training ground, and he was put into the stands absolutely rightly.

      What you wrote further is generally unclear which side of the topic is.
  43. 0
    14 August 2015 12: 00
    Quote: noncombant
    Quote: Sveik
    Who needs these "games" I can't understand. Attention, perhaps, to distract from some problems?

    Exactly. The most funny and sad thing is that judging by the photo, the organizers instructed gladiatorial figures everywhere (what does Russia have to do with it, but oh well). And the gladiatorial games in Ancient Rome were held on a particularly wide scale precisely when things were not going smoothly in the Roman state.

    Well done! Well done, colleague! That is exactly what it is: "... gladiatorial games in ancient Rome were carried out on a particularly wide scale just when not everything was going smoothly in the Roman state ... "
  44. +2
    14 August 2015 12: 13
    The usual organizational mess. What to say. The right material and the person is indignant right.
  45. 0
    14 August 2015 13: 06
    Ndaa, sadly. It’s not good to do a good thing, it must also be shown well, but this is not all smooth for now.
  46. -1
    14 August 2015 13: 59
    Yes, Skomorokhov clearly justifies his surname (or pseudonym). The poor fellow was not allowed into the front row and was not carried on his hands. What is the article about? About the misadventures of Skomorokhov at the Army Games?
  47. +1
    14 August 2015 14: 57
    Krasava author! laughing if it were possible, 10 times would have been plus. Army dol #######. Ordering and ordering. Minus how much will fit, BUT HOW EVERYTHING HAS BEEN BEFORE THIS, SO NOW AND ALL REMAINED.
  48. 0
    14 August 2015 15: 00
    Quote: Vasek Trubachev
    Who is this Skomorokhov? Writes that is a kind of online media? Which one And what do I care about his ordeal if I first hear his name.


    Oh you darkness wink immediately visible "mummer". The author is well done.
  49. +2
    14 August 2015 15: 12
    And what about Comrade Skomorokhov, besides resentment at a bad reception, nothing clever in his head was postponed from the Games. It's a shame, and what was the ride?
  50. +2
    14 August 2015 18: 27
    But the whining of this gentleman somehow did not touch me. You see a little attention to his person. Pf is also a journalist to me. There paparatsi sit in the bushes for weeks, for the sake of one photo and do not complain)))))) And this give luxury seats and a carpet. So as if the level is not supposed. There aren’t enough places for everyone. Sorry, the editors, but the media has never even been of federal significance. And if you don’t like it, don’t drive. And whining here is not necessary to publish. Let's all complain about our work here. Here I have a small fan on the machine, and the master has a big one in the office, and the chief has a condo.
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  52. +1
    14 August 2015 19: 52
    As I understand it, a choice was offered; the VO film crew, during their 10-day stay in Moscow, either decided to save money, or there really was no money.

    Neither one nor the other is a problem for the organizers, so this entire article is pure lyricism, but the fact that they couldn’t say anything about the games themselves - then really, why did they go?
    1. +2
      15 August 2015 10: 26
      Quote: Maxim Shilin
      couldn't say anything


      That is, 8 reports are nothing?

      I note the qualitative and quantitative transition of jingoism into jingoism.
      1. 0
        15 August 2015 12: 21
        Quote: Banshee
        That is, 8 reports are nothing?


        Was. Undoubtedly.

        But how did it start? "For Health!", but is it over?

        It ended with an afterlife howl...

        Or, having a little understanding of what happened, reconsider your conclusions?
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    1. +1
      15 August 2015 07: 46
      Quote: Sturmann
      Didn't serve in the army. I didn't hold the machine gun.

      Did you buy notebooks for school? And then the first of September is soon wink
  55. 0
    15 August 2015 09: 34
    He regretted the kopecks for his native Ministry of Defense, and now he’s complaining... And even then it’s somehow indistinct...
  56. +2
    15 August 2015 13: 05
    I wrote to the ministry on the third day of the games. And last year I wrote. I say cowards, show the complaint to someone senior, fire the incompetent press service. Because there is no required number of professional videos on the Internet. Some are amateur! I ask: Why are there so many media cameras, drones, and other equipment? Why is there little about games on TV? You'll be spoon-fed for six months: when the excitement subsides (STUPID!!) It's obvious that you're not making money in the information business? You are not fulfilling a military-patriotic task!
    They are silent! They're cowards!
    Together let's shake off the stupid ones!
  57. 0
    15 August 2015 20: 52
    The article is “bullshit on an August night” - if you want to work, get information like everyone else, but no one is obliged to carry you in their arms.