Military Review

Worse than the "Volcano"

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Aviation gun GSH-6-23 remains unsurpassed for more than 40 years

“Slightly lower the nose of the car, gently turn on the target so that it is easily caught in the mark of the sight. You press the trigger for a split second and you get the feeling that the plane is shaking a giant, but you can clearly see how a firestorm flies to the ground. At this moment, the enemy, although conditional, cannot be envied, ”the pilot of the Russian Air Force shared with the Military Industrial Courier his impressions of using a six-barreled GS-6-23 aircraft cannon.

The GSH-6-23М of a millimeter 23 caliber with a rate of 10 000 rounds per minute was developed by two great Russian weapons designers Arkady Shipunov and Vasily Gryazev in the early 70's. Since the introduction of the “six-barred GSH” into service in 1974, its carriers have become the legendary front bombers Su-24 and the equally well-known supersonic heavy MiG-31 interceptors.

From "canister" to "Vulcan"


In the middle of the 50-s, when the first self-guided missiles, such as the American AIM-9 "Sidewinder", began to come into service with the fighters, aviation experts began talking about the fact that machine guns and cannons on combat aircraft would have to be abandoned in the near future. In many ways, such conclusions were based on the experience of the last Korean war, where jet fighters fought en masse for the first time. On the one hand, it was the Soviet MiG-15, on the other - the American F-86 Saber, F9F Panther, etc. MiGs armed with three guns often lacked a rate of fire, and the Saabram - the range, sometimes also the power of six 12,7-mm machine guns, which they possessed.

It is noteworthy that the newest at the time American F-4B carrier-based fighter "Phantom-2" had only rocket armament, including the ultramodern Sparrow AIM-7 of medium range. The guns adapted to the needs of the US Air Force F-4C were also not installed. True, in Vietnam "Phantoms" were initially opposed by Soviet cannon armament, which only had cannon armament, which the Vietnamese pilots sought to conduct short-range air combat in order not to get hit by guided missiles.

In “dog fights”, as in the western aviation slang, such fights are called, American assists were not always helped by those considered to be the best AIM-9 short-range missiles with a thermal homing head at that time. Therefore, the commanders of the air force, as well as naval aviation and the Marine Corps, had to urgently develop new tactical methods of fighting the Vietnamese fighters, first of all to re-equip the "Phantoms" with suspended cannon containers with 20-mm M61 "Vulcan" cannon. And soon the F-4E fighter entered the USAF. One of the main differences between the new model was the six-barrel Volcano, which is nominally installed in the nose.

In a number of recently published studies on the Vietnam air war, it is argued that the decision to equip the “Phantom-2” with a gun mount is not due to the need to combat the Vietnamese MiGs, but to make the fighter more suitable for strikes against ground targets. For an impartial evaluation, it’s worth referring to the numbers. According to the Pentagon, for all the time of the war in Southeast Asia, cannon armament of American fighters was shot down from 39 to 45 of Vietnamese fighters, including supersonic MiG-19 and MiG-21. And in total, according to American military historians, North Vietnam lost the 131 MiG, so aircraft cannons account for 35 – 40 percent of the total number of vehicles shot down by US pilots.

Worse than the "Volcano"Whatever it was, it was from the appearance in the F-4E "Phantom-2" cannon armament, rejected at the end of 50-s, began to return to the arsenal of fighters, fighter-bombers, reconnaissance aircraft and other machines.

One of the most popular in the arsenal of the Western Air Forces was the already mentioned M61 Vulkan. It is noteworthy that the American fighter of the fifth generation F-22 "Lightning" is also armed with this six-barreled cannon, albeit specially upgraded.

The American company General Electric, which developed and produces Vulkan, has never worked on small-scale samples before. weapons. Moreover, the main activity of the company has always been electrical equipment. But immediately after the Second World War, the US Air Force opened a promising topic for the creation of aircraft cannons and machine guns, the rate of which was to be at least 4000 rounds per minute, while the samples were required long range and high accuracy with strikes on aerial targets.

In the traditional schemes of small arms to implement such customer requests was quite problematic. Here we had to choose: either high accuracy, firing range and accuracy, or rate of fire. As one of the solutions, the developers proposed adapting the so-called Gatling canister, which was used in the United States during the Civil War, to modern requirements. At the heart of this design lay the scheme of the 1862-barrel rotary unit developed by Dr. Richard Gatling in the 10 year.

Surprisingly, despite the participation in the competition of famous developers and manufacturers of weapons, the victory went to "General Electric". When implementing the Gatling scheme, it became clear that the most important part of the new installation is an external electric drive that rotates the barrel assembly, and with its development, having a wealth of experience, General Electric managed better than its competitors.

In June, 1946, the company, having defended the project before a special commission of the US Air Force, received a contract to implement its scheme in hardware. This was already the second stage in the creation of new aviation rifle systems, where Colt and Browning firms were also to take part.

In the course of research, testing and development work, the company had to experiment with the number of barrels (at different times it varied from 10 to 6), as well as with gauges (15,4 mm, 20 mm and 27 mm). As a result, the military was offered a six-barrel millimeter caliber 20 cannon, with a maximum rate of 6000 rounds per minute, producing 110-gram shells at speeds in excess of 1030 meters per second.

A number of Western researchers argue that the choice in favor of the 20 caliber of millimeters was due to the customer’s demand, the US Air Force, who had arisen at the beginning of the 50's and considered that the gun must be sufficiently universal, equally suitable for aimed fire on both airborne and ground forces. goals.

27-mm shells were well suited for firing on the ground, but when they were used, the rate of fire dropped sharply and the recoil increased, and later tests showed the relatively low accuracy of such-caliber guns when firing at air targets.

The 15,4 caliber shells of millimeter had too low power against the intended enemy on the ground, but a gun with such ammunition provided good firing rates, albeit with an insufficient range for air combat. So the developers at General Electric stopped at a compromise caliber.

The six barrels of the Volcano M1956 cannon, which were put into service in 61, were concentrically assembled into a single block, which rotated clockwise, together with the bolts. In one turn, each barrel was consistently reloaded, and a shot was fired from the barrel, which was at the top at that moment. The whole system worked at the expense of an external electric drive with a power of 26 kW.

True, the military was not entirely satisfied with the fact that the mass of the gun eventually turned out to be almost 115 kilograms. The struggle for weight loss continued for many years, and as a result of the introduction of new materials, the М22А61 model installed on the F-2 "Raptor" weighs a little more than 90 kilograms.

It is noteworthy that at the present time in the English-language literature all the rifle systems with a rotary block of barrels are called Gatling-gun - “Gatling’s Gun (Gun)”.

Soviet multifolk


In the USSR, work on the creation of multi-barreled aircraft guns were going on before the Great Patriotic War. True, ended in vain. The idea of ​​a system with trunks, brought together in one block, which would be rotated by an electric motor, Soviet gunsmiths came at the same time with American designers, but then we had a failure.

In 1959, Arkady Shipunov and Vasily Gryazev, who worked at the Klimovsky Scientific Research Institute-61, joined the work. As it turned out, the work had to start virtually from scratch. The designers had information that a “Volcano” was being created in the USA, but not only the technical solutions used by the Americans, but also the tactical and technical characteristics of the new western system remained secret.

True, Arkady Shipunov himself later admitted that even if he and Vasily Gryazev had become aware of American technical solutions, they would hardly have been able to apply them in the USSR anyway. As already mentioned, the designers of General Electric connected to the Vulcan an external electric drive with a power of 26 kW, while Soviet aircraft manufacturers could only offer, as Vasily Gryazev himself put it, “24 volts and not a gram more.” Therefore, it was necessary to create a system that does not work from an external source, but using the internal energy of the shot.

It is noteworthy that similar schemes were proposed at the time by other American firms participating in the competition to create a promising aviation gun. True, Western designers could not implement such a solution. In contrast, Arkady Shipunov and Vasily Gryazev created the so-called vapor engine, which, according to the second participant of the tandem, worked like an internal combustion engine - took some of the powder gas from the barrels when fired.

But, despite the elegant solution, another problem arose: how to make the first shot, because the gas exhaust engine, and hence the gun mechanism itself does not work yet. For the initial impulse, a starter was required, after using which, from the first shot, the gun would operate on its own gas. Later, two versions of the starter were proposed: pneumatic and pyrotechnic (with a special actuator).

In his memoirs, Arkady Shipunov recalls that even at the beginning of work on a new aircraft gun, he was able to see one of the few photographs of the American Vulcan being prepared for testing, where he was struck by the fact that the ammunition ribbon was spread along the floor, ceiling and walls of the compartment, but was not consolidated in a single cartridge box. Later it became clear that at a rate of fire in 6000 shots per minute, a void is formed in a cartridge box in a matter of seconds and the tape begins to “walk”. In this case, the ammunition falls, and the tape itself is torn. Shipunov and Gryazev developed a special pneumatic tape-bearing that does not allow the tape to move. Unlike the American solution, this idea provided a much more compact placement of guns and ammunition, which is especially important for aircraft, where designers are fighting for every centimeter.

In goal, but not immediately


Despite the fact that the product, which received the AO-19 index, was practically ready, there was no place for him in the Soviet Air Force, as the military itself believed: small arms are a relic of the past, and the future belongs to missiles. Shortly before the Air Force abandoned the new gun, Vasily Gryazev was transferred to another enterprise. It would seem that AO-19, despite all the unique technical solutions, will remain unclaimed.

But in 1966, after summarizing the experience of the North Vietnamese and American air forces in the USSR, it was decided to resume work on the creation of promising aircraft guns. True, by that time almost all enterprises and design bureaus that had previously worked on this topic had already shifted to other areas. Moreover, there were no people willing to return to this line of work in the military-industrial sector!

Surprisingly, despite all the difficulties, Arkady Shipunov, who had headed TsKB-14 by this time, decided to revive the cannon theme at his enterprise. After the approval by the Military Industrial Commission of this decision, its leadership agreed to return Vasiliy Gryazev and several other specialists who participated in the work on the AO-19 product to the Tula enterprise.

As Arkady Shipunov recalled, the problem with the resumption of work on cannon aircraft weapons arose not only in the USSR, but also in the West. In fact, at the time of the multi-barreled guns in the world was only American - "Volcano".

It is worth noting that, despite the abandonment of the “AO-19 object” of the Air Force, the product was interested in the Navy, for which several gun complexes were developed.

By the beginning of the 70-s, the KBP proposed two six-barrel guns: the 30-mm AO-18, which used the cartridge AO-18, and the AO-19 for 23-mm ammunition AM-23. It is noteworthy that the products differed not only by the used projectiles, but also by starters for the preliminary acceleration of the block of barrels. On AO-18 there was a pneumatic, and on AO-19 - pyrotechnic with 10 pyrocartridges.

Initially, representatives of the Air Force, who viewed the new AO-19 as a weapon for promising fighters and fighter-bombers, presented increased demands for shooting ammunition - no less than 500 shells in one queue. I had to seriously work on the survivability of the gun. The most loaded part, the gas rod, made of special heat-resistant materials. Changed the design. The gas engine was refined, where so-called floating pistons were installed.

Conducted preliminary tests showed that the modified AO-19 can show much better characteristics than originally stated. As a result of the work carried out in the KBP, the 23-mm gun was able to fire at the rate of fire of the 10 – 12 thousand rounds per minute. And the mass of AO-19 after all the refinement was a little over 70 kilograms.

For comparison: the American Vulcan, modified by this time, received the M61А1 index, weighed 136 kilograms, made 6000 shots per minute, the volley was almost 2,5 times smaller than the AO-19, while the American aircraft designers also needed to deploy more aircraft and 25-kilowatt external electric drive.

And even on the МХNUMXА61, which is aboard the fifth-generation fighter F-2, American designers with lower caliber and rate of fire of their gun could not achieve those unique indicators in mass and compactness, like the gun developed by Vasily Gryazev and Arkady Shipunov.

Birth of a legend


The first customer of the AO-19 cannon was the Sukhoi Experimental Design Bureau, which at that time was headed by Pavel Osipovich himself. The Sukhie planned that the new gun would become a weapon for the promising front-line bomber with the variable geometry of the T-6 wing, which later became the legendary Su-24.

The timing of work on the new machine was quite short: the 17, which made the first flight of January 1970, in the summer of the 1973-th T-6 in the summer was already ready to be transferred to military testers. When fine-tuning the AO-19 to the requirements of aircraft manufacturers, certain difficulties arose. Well fired at the stand, the gun could not give a queue more than 150 shots - the barrels overheated, they needed to be cooled, which often took about 10 – 15 minutes, depending on the ambient temperature.

Another problem was that the gun did not want to, as the designers of the Tula Instrument Design Bureau joked, "stop shooting." After releasing the start button, the AO-19 managed to spontaneously launch three or four rounds. But within the allotted timeframe, all the flaws and technical problems were eliminated, and in the GLITS of the Air Force, for tests, the T-6 was presented with a gun fully integrated into the new front bomber.

In the course of the trials that began in Akhtubinsk, the product, which by then had received the GSh (Gryazev - Shipunov) -6-23 index, was shot at various targets. With the control application of the latest system in less than one second, the pilot was able to completely cover all targets, firing around 200 shells!

Pavel Sukhoi was so satisfied with the GSH-6-23 that, along with the Su-24 standard installed in the Su-6 ammunition, the so-called SPSP-6 suspended cannon containers with the HSH-23-45М cannons, capable of deflecting horizontally and vertically by XNUMX, were included . It was assumed that with such armament, and just on the front-line bomber it was planned to deploy two such installations, he would be able to completely disable the runway in one run, as well as destroy a convoy of motorized infantry in combat vehicles up to one kilometer long.

Developed at the Dzerzhinets plant, SPPU-6 has become one of the largest mobile cannons. Its length exceeded five meters, and the weight with ammunition from 400 shells was 525 kilograms. The tests showed that when firing a new installation on each running meter accounted for at least one hit of a projectile.

It is noteworthy that immediately after the “Sukhoi” they became interested in the Mikoyan Design Bureau, which intended to use the GSH-6-23 on the newest supersonic MiG-31 interceptor. Despite its large size, aircraft manufacturers needed a fairly small gun with a high rate of fire, as the MiG-31 had to destroy supersonic targets. In the KBP, the Mikoyan helped by developing a unique lightweight conveyor-free powerless system, which made it possible to reduce the mass of the gun by several kilograms and win additional centimeters of space on board the interceptor.

Developed by outstanding gunsmiths Arkady Shipunov and Vasily Gryazev, the GS-6-23 automatic aircraft gun still remains in service with the domestic Air Force. Moreover, in many ways, its characteristics, despite the more than 40-year service life, remain unique.
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  1. Bongo
    Bongo 2 August 2015 06: 26
    +1
    A very informative publication, of course "+"But the expediency of arming the MiG-31 and Su-24 with this air gun is questionable.
    Since the adoption of the “six-barrel GSh” in service in the 1974 year, its carriers have become the legendary Su-24 front-line bombers and the equally well-known supersonic MiG-31 heavy interceptors.
    To what extent is it expedient to use the expensive and complex "air defense breaker" Su-24 (M, M2) as an attack aircraft with the defeat of ground targets from an onboard gun? what The probability of using the GSh-6-23 against air targets by the MiG-31 long-range interceptor is not very high. Here it was probably worth doing with lighter systems, the benefit of successful aircraft guns in the USSR was created quite a few.
    1. dvg79
      dvg79 2 August 2015 06: 54
      0
      I do not agree, just because of their highest speeds from other guns in general, no sense.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 2 August 2015 06: 56
        +7
        Quote: dvg79
        I do not agree, just because of their highest speeds from other guns in general, no sense.

        wassat Excuse me, but do you know at what speed the use of an onboard aircraft gun is possible? And at what speed does the ground target attack?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 07: 14
          +38
          Quote: Bongo
          Excuse me, but do you know at what speed the use of an onboard aircraft gun is possible?

          Of course ...... today everyone can become an extra class pilot laughing
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 2 August 2015 07: 15
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Of course ...... today everyone can become an extra class pilot

            good Sitting on the couch ... laughing
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 2 August 2015 07: 22
              +32
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              ..today everyone can become an extra class pilot

              Quote: Bongo
              Sitting on the couch ...

              -I think you don’t know how to control a helicopter ...
              -Fign! I read a book how to make it! wassat
              D. Westlake "The Cursed Emerald"
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 07: 30
                +4
                Quote: Ruslan67
                -Fign! I read a book how to make it!

                And in the formula one, you can even Schumacher, how to overtake a sucker lol And then walk all day proud.
                Bongo Sergey, what a helicopter carousel over the city, what does he cut circles over the houses? Your dzemgovsky helicopter
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 2 August 2015 07: 33
                  +6
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Bongo Sergey, what a helicopter carousel over the city, what does it cut circles over the houses? Your dzemgovsky helicopter

                  Not seen, only heard engine sound request At this time, soaked in the bath after fishing.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 07: 34
                    +4
                    Quote: Bongo

                    Not seen, only heard engine sound

                    40 minutes already bends turns, soon the fuel will end. Again flies

                    At this time, soaked in the bath after fishing.
                    Beer wink
                    1. Bongo
                      Bongo 2 August 2015 07: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      40 minutes already bends turns, soon the fuel will end. Again flies

                      Perhaps parachutists throws over Dzemgovsky airfield - Airborne Forces Day. It’s quiet now, at least over the Railway Station.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 07: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Bongo
                        . It’s quiet now, at least over the Railway Station.

                        Above the central one is clearly audible and visible at times. Gray-blue MI 8
                      2. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 07: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Above the central one is clearly audible and visible at times. Gray-blue MI 8

                        Soon I will go to the Metallurgists - I’ll look ....
                    2. Bongo
                      Bongo 2 August 2015 07: 46
                      +25
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      At this time, soaked in the bath after fishing.
                      Beer

                      This evening with crucians, now behind the wheel.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 07: 47
                        +5
                        Quote: Bongo
                        This evening with crucians, now behind the wheel.

                        Putin belay
                        A fish, class!
                      2. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 07: 50
                        +27
                        Quote: atalef
                        Putin

                        They said several times that this photo is more similar. True, they are asked not to be offended. laughing
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 07: 56
                        +7
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Quote: atalef
                        Putin

                        They said several times that this photo is more similar. True, they are asked not to be offended. laughing

                        Well then you have a pike, it will be !!!! good
                        Is there a photo with amphora? wink good
                      4. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 08: 01
                        +8
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well then you have a pike, it will be !!!!
                        Is there a photo with amphora?

                        This is not the largest pike ... Amphora in the Sea of ​​Japan did not find ...
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 08: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: Bongo
                        I did not find amphora in the Sea of ​​Japan.

                        Well, what are our years wink
                      6. AlNikolaich
                        AlNikolaich 2 August 2015 10: 12
                        +3
                        Are there any photos with these storks?
                      7. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 13: 20
                        +5
                        Quote: AlNikolaich
                        Are there any photos with these storks?

                        Fortunately, I don’t fly with the Siberian Cranes (I didn’t fall so low), but with the beaten: hazel grouse, black grouse, capercaillie, pheasant, duck, geese, swans there are a lot of pictures.
                      8. silver_roman
                        silver_roman 6 August 2015 15: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Bongo
                        swans

                        how can you shoot swans? fool such birds are beautiful.
                        I would shoot the hunters !!! at least zaminsovat to ordinary ... angry
                      9. Bongo
                        Bongo 6 August 2015 15: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: silver_roman
                        how can you shoot swans? such birds are beautiful.
                        I would shoot the hunters !!! at least zaminsovat to ordinary ...

                        Nobody is going to minus you ... but before you write this, fool I recommend that you visit and hunt in our Far Eastern regions, somewhere on Sakhalin or De Kastri. The swan is not a rare bird here and is an object of hunting for the locals. Moreover, they shoot them deliberately, although the meat does not taste very good. Where swans live, there will be no other waterfowl. Adult swans purposefully destroy broods of geese and ducks, slaughtering ducklings and goslings until they can fly. These are the "beautiful" birds ...
                      10. silver_roman
                        silver_roman 6 August 2015 15: 46
                        0
                        it is nature, there is regulation in it, and man has no place here. geese and ducklings like dirt, but swans are not so common!

                        ps I can catch a fish, but shoot animals - my hand will not rise.
                      11. Bongo
                        Bongo 6 August 2015 16: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: silver_roman
                        it is nature, there is regulation in it, and man has no place here. geese and ducklings like dirt, but swans are not so common!


                        Not frequent where? In the Far East, they are not uncommon ...
                        Quote: silver_roman
                        ps I can catch a fish, but shoot animals - my hand will not rise.

                        And what does the fish do not want to live? As for hunting, I will give you a simple example. A few years ago, it was not clear for what reasons they stopped issuing licenses for shooting a brown bear. This led to the fact that the beast became too many. Given the uncontrolled deforestation, the beast became crowded in the taiga. Attacks on people became frequent, often even within the boundaries of settlements. In winter, the number of deadly connecting rods increased. Himself had to face, this bear - a three-year-old was killed in early December, when he tried to break into the winter hut in the middle of the night. If I were unarmed, I wouldn’t communicate with you now. request So, it's better to judge what is in your competence hi
                      12. AUL
                        AUL 2 August 2015 14: 41
                        +1
                        Judging by the pike - the Far East?
                        I envy ...
                      13. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 14: 55
                        +5
                        Quote: AUL
                        Judging by the pike - the Far East?

                        Yes, that is right. Caught in the fall of last year, at the mouth of the Limuri River, Ulchsky District, Khabarovsk Territory. Although the pike on this river is not the main "client".
                      14. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 07: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Bongo
                        It's evening with crucians,

                        Fat crucians is it hde?
                      15. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 07: 53
                        +4
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Fat crucians is it hde?

                        Hummie Lake, behind Gaiter. I’ll go now to distribute to friends and acquaintances. To treat?
                      16. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 07: 54
                        +6
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Fat crucians is it hde?

                        Hummie Lake, behind Gaiter. I’ll go now to please my friends and acquaintances. To treat?

                        Karasi !! 1 In sour cream !!!
                        DREAM crying
                      17. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 08: 00
                        +9
                        Quote: atalef
                        Karasi !! 1 In sour cream !!!

                        Fried crucian carp, fresh cucumbers from the garden, tomatoes, onions and boiled potatoes. The best appetizer in the world winked
                      18. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 08: 06
                        +10
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Fried crucian carp, fresh cucumbers from the garden, tomatoes, onions and boiled potatoes. The best appetizer in the world

                        Well, lard, then, in general, the same is nothing, I would have added pickled mushrooms and a good adjika, as well as a complete set drinks
                      19. Aqela
                        Aqela 3 August 2015 23: 09
                        0
                        And a decent vodka in a foggy decanter ... yes good
                        I’m not from the Far East, I haven’t been to the Khabarovsk Territory, but such a combination with the addition of fried russula with sour cream and salted mushrooms is very familiar from village feasts in the Middle Volga ... feel drinks good hi
                      20. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 08: 01
                        +16
                        Quote: atalef
                        Karasi !! 1 In sour cream !!!
                        DREAM

                        This is the first thing, I only eat grayling-lenok-taimen at home. request Karasi are no longer quoted.
                      21. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 08: 03
                        +9
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Karasi are no longer quoted.

                        Snickering !!! laughing
                      22. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 08: 08
                        +10
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Snickering !!!

                        I support !!! yes
                      23. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 2 August 2015 12: 55
                        +3
                        No, it’s possible to be hunted, but it’s really a grayling leonok ...
                      24. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 08: 04
                        +13
                        Quote: Bongo
                        This is the first thing, I only eat grayling-lenok-taimen at home.

                        Well, it’s like the morning began so beautifully. Now the toad has come and is strangling, strangling, strangling sad sad sad
                      25. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 08: 05
                        +6
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, it’s like the morning began so beautifully. Now the toad has come and is strangling, strangling, strangling

                        To each - his own ... for example, I can’t go abroad, but I want to ...
                      26. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 08: 07
                        +8
                        Quote: Bongo
                        To each - his own ... for example, I can’t go abroad, but I want to ..

                        fuck abroad, with such HARIUS?
                      27. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 08: 09
                        +8
                        Quote: atalef
                        fuck abroad, with such HARIUS?

                        So I think you fucked Israel laughing
                      28. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 08: 12
                        +6
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        So I think you fucked Israel

                        Well, in St. Petersburg there are no graylings, smelt, whitefish (I do not like him), well, in general, I have more meat --- But grayling and taimen belay
                        FOOT good
                      29. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 08: 18
                        +4
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, in St. Petersburg there are no graylings, smelt, whitefish (I don’t like him), well, in general, I’m more meat

                        You too snickering lol
                      30. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 08: 29
                        +4
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You too snickering

                        what a cheeky you are today laughing , he snickered, this - snickered laughing
                        But I've never tried taimen for life crying
                      31. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 08: 34
                        +11
                        Quote: atalef
                        But I've never tried taimen for life

                        Said Roman Abramovich, bringing a spoon with black caviar to his mouth.
                      32. Aqela
                        Aqela 3 August 2015 23: 12
                        +1
                        Yeah! Grayling ... Taimen ... Merciless mockery of my fish-eating soul! sad crying am angry
                      33. lelikas
                        lelikas 2 August 2015 12: 45
                        +2
                        AAAAA, Bongo, what are you doing, stop it! (C) It's awful to watch this, sitting at work! laughing
                      34. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 13: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: lelikas
                        AAAAA, Bongo, what are you doing, stop it! (C) It's awful to watch this, sitting at work!

                        You need to work at work, but in general today is still a day off and a holiday, moreover. drinks
                      35. lelikas
                        lelikas 2 August 2015 14: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Bongo
                        You need to work at work, but in general today is still a day off and a holiday, moreover. drinks

                        Not not not - I'm in the past Vsk. walked off laughing so much so that people on Monday shied away, but not a lot of work on weekends.
                      36. sharp-lad
                        sharp-lad 4 August 2015 17: 28
                        +1
                        Bongo Sergey! Stop nagging! And by the way, why is there no salivating emoticon? hi
                      37. Bongo
                        Bongo 5 August 2015 03: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: sharp-lad
                        Bongo Sergey! Stop nagging! And by the way, why is there no salivating emoticon?

                        This is a question for site administrators. request But in general in the summer, I release the taimen.
                      38. Sling
                        Sling 8 August 2015 14: 30
                        +1
                        My minus, what is this happening then? stop
                      39. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 07: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Bongo
                        To treat?

                        C'mon, I’m not asking for it. I just bought it, but how thin request
                      40. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 08: 03
                        +3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        C'mon, I’m not asking for it. I just bought it, but how thin

                        Well, it's a master's business ... I do not mind.
                      41. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 08: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Well, it's a master's business ... I do not mind.

                        Whatever Thank you yes
                      42. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 08: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        .I just bought, but how thin

                        Thin - in the sense of skinny or thin - in the sense - worthless?
                      43. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 08: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: atalef
                        in the sense - worthless?

                        In the sense that they were kind of small sadBut those in the photo, well, very large ...... but five winked
                      44. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 08: 13
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Quote: atalef
                        in the sense - worthless?

                        In the sense that they were kind of small sadBut those in the photo, well, very large ...... but five winked

                        yes, uzhzh sad
                      45. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 2 August 2015 12: 48
                        +1
                        In Omaha crucian carp will be fatter.
                      46. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 2 August 2015 12: 48
                        0
                        In Omaha crucian carp will be fatter.
                      47. Bongo
                        Bongo 2 August 2015 13: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: Fitter65
                        In Omaha crucian carp will be fatter.

                        Evoronsky is even fatter, only he is not caught by fishing rod.
                2. atalef
                  atalef 2 August 2015 07: 46
                  +5
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  And in the formula one, you can even Schumacher, how to overtake a sucker

                  And in FIFA, so generally a champion.
                3. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 2 August 2015 12: 43
                  +1
                  And why did you get that it was Dzemgowski? From Khurba today, the PSSnik left for the city in the morning, returned around 16.00 p.m.
              2. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 2 August 2015 18: 31
                +1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                -I think you don’t know how to control a helicopter ...
                -Fign! I read a book how to make it! wassat
                D. Westlake "The Cursed Emerald"

                Those who have not read, I advise you to read, you will not be disappointed.
            2. Sergey Vl.
              Sergey Vl. 3 August 2015 20: 10
              0
              "I don't know how it's done, but you're doing it wrong!" Army pearls.
        2. Iline
          Iline 2 August 2015 09: 03
          +7
          He was not a specialist in AB (aviation armament) a bit, but when he was practicing in 84 on Su-24 aircraft, he knew for sure that the use of these guns on aircraft of this type was prohibited. The reason is commonplace - when they were used, surging of the engines often occurred due to the very powerful recoil of the gun itself. I don’t know how to get out of this situation later. Maybe someone served on these planes, tell me?
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 2 August 2015 13: 30
            +2
            Quote: Iline
            A little not a specialist in AB (aviation armament), but while practicing in 84 on Su-24 aircraft, he knew for sure - the use of these guns on aircraft of this type was prohibited. The reason is commonplace - when they were used, surging of the engines often occurred due to the very powerful recoil of the gun itself.

            A similar picture was on the MiG-27 fighter-bomber. Shooting from the GSh-6-30 gun (pictured) was a frankly dangerous affair. When firing, engine surges and avionics failures were common.
          2. ancient
            ancient 2 August 2015 18: 19
            +6
            Quote: Iline
            but when he was practicing in 84 on Su-24 aircraft, he knew for sure that the use of these guns on aircraft of this type was prohibited.


            Honestly ... I hear for the first time belay There were no restrictions on the use of the Su-24 and Su-24M .. there was request
            Maybe you just confused the ban on the use of all points at the same time while suspending 3 more SPPU-6 containers? soldier
            And on the Su-25, when diving, the SPP is always turned off, because. if you catch a dive, then ... the thrust of one engine is not enough to output soldier
        3. Argon
          Argon 2 August 2015 15: 28
          +10
          Therefore, they put VPUs on aircraft, because they have a much larger (both in height, speed, and overload) range of application than any other ASP existing today. On the Su-24 I will not cite examples of the use of artillery installations by it (as I will note that I became a Su-24 bomber at one of the Council of Ministers' meetings, which was more facilitated by the price (both of the aircraft and the program as a whole) and MGH, than the features of the tactics of use (judge for yourself, there is no bomb bay, higher 7000 does not like to fly). But the MiG-31 VPU "in combat" was used much more often (before the collapse of the Union) than missiles. Since the late 70s, the Americans simply "thrashed" our air defense with reconnaissance balloons. To spend on such a target a missile costing hundreds of times more expensive than the balloon itself, it is understandably a pity, but the cannon solved the problem very rationally. True, given the general controllability of the 31st, its dynamics, it was necessary to have a gun with a high salvo density and the GSH-6-23 (given its mass) was out of competition.
        4. ancient
          ancient 2 August 2015 17: 39
          +6
          Quote: Bongo
          Excuse me, but do you know at what speed the use of an onboard aircraft gun is possible? And at what speed does the ground target attack?


          Seryozha, hello dear! I put you and for the first koment, +! drinks Well, and for sure for everything and the following (why for sure ... because I haven’t read it yet, but ... the result ... is obvious drinks )
          The gun on the Mig-31 and in general on all fighters, even on interceptors, is necessary, because. if the missile didn’t hit, then only the ram remains? request
          And if there are two or more goals .. are you alone?
          Another thing that may not be so powerful and rapid-fire wink

          Yes, by the way, the future minus, I suggest before you put a minus .. think .. here I am writing, because. had direct "acquaintance" with these guns, and you? wassat

          With the thought of using the cannon against ground targets in real combat conditions ... I agree with you 100%. Only in peacetime, well, or during "conflicts" with the Papuans (moreover, specific, that is, armed with real bows and arrows) wink
          1. ancient
            ancient 2 August 2015 17: 41
            +8
            Quote: ancient
            Only in peacetime, well, or during "conflicts" with the Papuans (moreover, specific, that is, armed with real bows and arrows)


            From my experience of "communicating" with real air defense personnel, I will say that we were unattainable for them at altitudes up to 100 meters and speeds under 1000 km / h .., but already with difficulty attainable at altitudes
            200 meters and speeds of 800-900 km / h, but above ...... we .. targets.
            Of course, the factor of surprise, etc. (other tactical "gadgets" take place), but ..

            Now to the main point ... who, including the author of the article, "tried" to fire a cannon at an altitude of 200 meters and at speeds of 800 and above? wassat

            By the way, for the author and ... pilot of the Russian Air Force (this is from the first paragraph of the article) wink

            The nose of the aircraft does not catch the Movable mark, but you PUT the Movable joystick on the target, then you press the BK button (that is, "bind" - if by simple, then by this action you give the command that the coordinates of the target you have chosen (seen by you) through the PPV "leave" In the BCVS, the algorithm continued for a specific "ammunition" selected for use) and only then you turn the nose of the aircraft and combine the CREST (fixed mark) with a Movable or Aiming mark (ie PM) and wait for the SL "Fire" to flash. . blinked, press the NEWSPAPER.
            If you did everything correctly, then yes .. all the shells will fall there, with the stable operation of DISS and RV (MIS this goes without saying), otherwise you will "catch" this PM .. until the end of the century .. or fuel wassat

            The use of cannon weapons only at subsonic speeds. In altitude from 2400 meters and below (from diving) .. minimum height for output 400 meters soldier
            Those. when diving, you always look with one eye at the SL "DANGER" wink
          2. Bongo
            Bongo 3 August 2015 07: 06
            +3
            Quote: ancient
            Seryozha, hello dear!

            Thank you, and you do not get sick!
            Quote: ancient
            The gun on the Mig-31 and in general on all fighters, even on interceptors, is necessary, because. if the missile didn’t hit, then only the ram remains?

            Need unconditionally yes
            Quote: ancient
            Another thing that may not be so powerful and rapid-fire
            That is what I wanted to convey. On later fighter jets, the GS-30-1 was quite costly, which is many times lighter, simpler and does not have such a crushing return.
            Quote: ancient
            Yes, by the way, the future minus, I suggest before you put a minus .. think .. here I am writing, because. had direct "acquaintance" with these guns, and you?

            Thank you! hi
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 2 August 2015 07: 32
      -9
      Anyway, can you imagine how much one PAK FA costs? wow. God forbid flying. Better in the hangar. And Armata? we’ll put it there too. And Hermes, Cornet?

      Well, we cho, better in the old fashioned way on carts and with sabers on tanks. bully
    3. bandabas
      bandabas 2 August 2015 09: 32
      +1
      I will say with a phrase from Evil Dead 3 "Army of Darkness" - "Good, bad? The main thing is that I have a" gun "."
    4. Yarhann
      Yarhann 4 August 2015 19: 16
      +1
      everything is trivial for close combat - yes it’s not particularly easy to get into it, but imagine such disabilities of air battle against su 24 such as f111 or another beaver and attack aircraft, but there are no missiles for close combat - well, or for example, the same instant 7 found the enemy’s borber link and missiles at all lacking - why shouldn’t he attack them with a cannon - let’s say that it’s good that it is what it would be if it weren’t. And why exactly such a gun was used - the high rate of fire, as I understand it, is the density of fire, but for poorly maneuverable bombers and MIG 31 this is what you need - this is a moment of 31 or su 29, you can accurately throw even a small caliber through the maneuver.
      Remember, for example, the guns that were put on submarines - to remind why they are - to attack civil defenseless transports - single unhelpful targets - why spend torpedoes if you can put a couple of shells on board and a bulk carrier or tanker at the bottom.
      Here is the same thing.
    5. aws4
      aws4 9 August 2015 20: 26
      +2
      In your opinion, what kind of gun was it necessary to put? If the option is not one, announce the list)))))))))) thanks, I'm waiting for an answer ...
    6. carbofo
      carbofo 10 August 2015 15: 38
      0
      Quote: Bongo
      The likelihood of using the MiG-6 long-range interceptor against air targets GSH-23-31 is not very high

      The Americans also thought that the installation of guns on the F-4 is not needed.

      Quote: Bongo
      How reasonable is it to use the expensive and complex "air defense breaker" Su-24 (M, M2) as an attack aircraft?


      Who speaks of a breakthrough and attack, this is not an attack by troops in the field, it is the destruction of the infrastructure of the air base, even despite the same name (attack), the tasks are different.

      Quote: Bongo
      Here it was probably worth doing with lighter systems, the benefit of successful aircraft guns in the USSR was created quite a few.


      Where it is already easier, the design is almost perfect.
    7. aws4
      aws4 10 August 2015 16: 32
      +2
      ?????????????????????????????????????????????? well so?
  2. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 2 August 2015 07: 29
    +1
    Here we have as usual) There was no happiness, but misfortune helped))
  3. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 2 August 2015 10: 41
    +2
    After releasing the start button, AO-19 managed to spontaneously release three to four shells


    Rate of fire 12 thousand rounds per minute = 200 per second. At 200 / sec. 4 shells will fly out for 2 hundredths of a SEC. Whatever the Soviet pilots, there are no meaningful human reactions below one tenth of a second (= 10 hundredths of a second).

    Whoever does not believe, let him pick up a sports electronic chronometer, which reports hundredths of a second and writes us the shortest time that can count on it.
  4. bionik
    bionik 2 August 2015 11: 57
    +18
    Vasily Petrovich Gryazev. Arkady Georgievich Shipunov.
  5. LMaksim
    LMaksim 2 August 2015 12: 27
    +5
    I read about this toy and its 30mm counterpart. There were still suggestions that firing from GSH-6-23 from an airplane could stop the airplane right in the air. Fortunately, they were mistaken. It is so nice that our designers wiped their nose off the Americans.
  6. IAlex
    IAlex 2 August 2015 14: 00
    -24
    As already mentioned, the designers of General Electric connected an external electric drive with a power of 26 kW to the Volcano, while Soviet aircraft manufacturers could only offer, as Vasily Gryazev put it, “24 volts and not a gram more.”


    If it was at 26 kW Gryazev answered "24 volts and not a gram more." It is surprising that he was able to create something in general, and it is doubtful that he had anything to do with technology ...
    1. AUL
      AUL 2 August 2015 14: 59
      +12
      There it is, it turns out ...
      And I thought that he estimated that with such power at 24 volts, the current will be more than 1000A only for the gun, in addition to everything else, and there simply isn’t such a generator on the eroplan. It turns out that he does not distinguish between watts and volts!
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 2 August 2015 15: 20
        -9
        In both I and the same, you have sarcasm and I have a reality approach ... And something really tells me that either the author of the article does not distinguish the difference, or the chief designer. Well, one of them for sure ...
    2. atalef
      atalef 2 August 2015 19: 50
      +3
      Quote: IAlex
      If it was at 26 kW Gryazev answered "24 volts and not a gram more." It is surprising that he was able to create something in general, and it is doubtful that he had anything to do with technology ...

      Well, yes, in general, 26 kW is such a fucking dvigadel, a kilogram for 120-150 (if 380v), and the author somehow mixed voltage and power.
    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac 3 August 2015 01: 02
      +2
      Quote: IAlex
      As already mentioned, the designers of General Electric connected an external electric drive with a power of 26 kW to the Volcano, while Soviet aircraft manufacturers could only offer, as Vasily Gryazev put it, “24 volts and not a gram more.”


      If it was at 26 kW Gryazev answered "24 volts and not a gram more." It is surprising that he was able to create something in general, and it is doubtful that he had anything to do with technology ...

      And you calculate the current at 24 Volt power needed to get 26 kW and what wires will be needed for this. For reference, the maximum permissible current density for copper wires with a cross section of more than 1 mm2 is 10 A / mm2. These wires tend to bask in the current flowing through them, such are the laws of physics ...
      You are our literate ...
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 3 August 2015 18: 46
        0
        Quote: PENZYAC
        And you calculate the current at 24 Volt supply necessary to obtain a power of 26 kW
        I think the text is a typo. Most likely 2,6kW
  7. Denimax
    Denimax 2 August 2015 16: 08
    -3
    I wonder why it was fenced off with a gas outlet? Was it difficult to take some 30 horses from the turbines? There are thousands of horses there.
    1. wow
      wow 2 August 2015 18: 40
      +5
      I wonder how you would organize the "gas outlet" from the "turbines" !? Which turbine? Engine, or what? Do not argue about what you do not seem to have the slightest idea about.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 2 August 2015 18: 54
        +4
        Quote: yo-mine
        I wonder how you would organize the "gas outlet" from the "turbines" !? Which turbine? Engine, or what? Do not argue about what you do not seem to have the slightest idea about.

        If I’m not mistaken, on the American A-10 attack aircraft, the gun spins hydraulically. Power supply of hydraulics from turbines (in addition to its main function, the turbine rotates the generator + hydraulic pump)

        1. JackTheRipper
          JackTheRipper 3 August 2015 14: 21
          +2
          Where is the video? Let everyone see the power, we have nothing to hide! wink

        2. Zdishek
          Zdishek 4 August 2015 23: 40
          0
          There is the same volcano, but 30 mm is the same electricity
  8. wow
    wow 2 August 2015 18: 37
    +3
    We had a GSh-27 * 6 gun on MiG - 30 (K, D, M). A perfectly slaughter six-barrel unit of caliber 30mm. When clicking on the BC, people at the training ground heard only a short roar and any target flew to shreds.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 August 2015 01: 57
      +6
      That's right. And then, after removing the filter cover of the tank pump 1A, I saw a throttle that fell off. The wires in the engine connectors fell off, the accelerometers "flew". Probably, there were other problems related to the shooting, but I don't remember which ones.
      But, most importantly, no one has ever tested experimentally the probability of an aircraft surviving an attack from a ground target from a dive. Around 1984, in Afghanistan, with the support of a company of the Airborne Forces, he died trying to hit a machine gun nest with a bomb, a good man was Lt. Col. A. Levchenko, senior group (Parnussky regiment, MiG-23ML). According to the story, his former commander was bombed with a sheer dive. He was fired from the ground from the DShK and tracks. Awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union (posthumous).
      When I look at all sorts of shows the approach to the target from the "hill" of helicopters and airplanes, I understand that the principle of "steam bellum" is forgotten.
      1. Zdishek
        Zdishek 4 August 2015 23: 46
        0
        Mig-23, began to apply, as it was considered necessary to break in all the equipment. Yes, not in profile, but you can’t refuse the generals. And before those eyes, there are successful statistics on the use of the MiG-21, and they shoved for other purposes, although the delay with the introduction of the MiG-23/27 in Afghanistan was more than six months
  9. Vitale
    Vitale 3 August 2015 04: 18
    -1
    Wrap two!
  10. GYGOLA
    GYGOLA 3 August 2015 11: 36
    +1
    Quote: bionik
    Vasily Petrovich Gryazev. Arkady Georgievich Shipunov.

    Frames decide everything
  11. Maxim Shilin
    Maxim Shilin 3 August 2015 15: 36
    0
    Serious machine, impressive)))
  12. jurijsv
    jurijsv 3 August 2015 16: 15
    0
    Good fuzz
  13. Russian_Bear
    Russian_Bear 3 August 2015 16: 45
    +1
    Glory to domestic weapons engineers !!!!
  14. Concealer
    Concealer 3 August 2015 19: 22
    0
    The gun is great. But what’s not clear, why haven’t a normal ballistic computer and an automatic targeting system been done for her yet? In a modern war, an oversaturated EW thing will be indispensable.
  15. Voevoda2682
    Voevoda2682 3 August 2015 21: 59
    0
    Yes ... a serious machine. The drive, along the way, is our national chip (removal of powder gases). And the designers we have geniuses! For 40 years, the whole world has changed, and the product is on top.
  16. EFA
    EFA 4 August 2015 09: 27
    0
    An interesting article, I heard a lot about GSH, but somehow I could not read about it in more detail. Thanks for the article, nevertheless, our weapons are the best.
  17. aviator1913
    aviator1913 4 August 2015 14: 42
    -2
    Judging by the comments, this gun is practically not used by our attack aircraft, but only by the MIG-31, and even then in cases of work after rocket exhaustion or on balloons to save money. I would also like to know how things are with our overseas colleagues? How does their aviation 25mm gun work on the F-35? And what are the feedback on the operation of the aircraft gun on the F-22?
    On the A-10 30mm the gun was used very often, which means the acceptable operational characteristics of the gun around which this attack aircraft was invented. Also, the fact that they shot down the A-10 rarely, using similar anti-aircraft defense systems against them as against the Su-24, suggests that the tactics of their use worked out better with amers. I would like to know the causes of such phenomena? And also the reason for the high losses of the SU-24 despite the presence of such a good gun.
  18. Zdishek
    Zdishek 4 August 2015 23: 50
    -1
    Thanks for the great article !!!! And then a few months ago there was an article about that at GSh 6-23 the barrel block rotates.
    And on the site I look more and more cheers - kryakunov (((
  19. CAPILATUS
    CAPILATUS 5 August 2015 04: 32
    +1
    To some comrades who think that the gun on board is superfluous. By virtue of his position and specialization, he was present at the combat meeting of interceptors (Su-27), the task was to destroy cruise missiles. In general, the crowd decided to destroy them with guns (!) Why. Against the background of the earth with an onboard locator, such a small-sized target is difficult to detect, it is more advisable visually. And from such distances missiles usually do not open fire, and the probability of destroying a small target is very small. Only a gun. Do not ask where it was and when. Before real work, then thank God it didn’t reach