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Russia woke up an industrial giant

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If I were given one dollar for each read comment that Russia does not produce anything, that the industry collapsed and that we are hopelessly behind the West, then I would have become a millionaire long ago. I know that many of those who write such comments are not paid State Department trolls, but are innocent victims of the editorial policy of our media, for whom the story of the next “space” tram UralVagonZavod is boring and “unformat”, but savoring the next one forecast about the imminent collapse of the ruble - a good topic for the plot. Infopole creates images, including the image of the country in which we live. And then the image puts pressure on our consciousness. It's time to correct the image and get rid of the image of a country that does not produce anything.

In Ekaterinburg, Innoprom-2015 recently ended - and this event is a bit like a parade of modern military equipment in Red Square. In our century, wars are fought mainly for markets and mainly economic methods.

We produce the best weapon in the world, and now it's time to make our civilian products as famous, recognizable and desirable as our weapons. The state is moving in this direction. For example, the state corporation Rostec, which has already earned a reputation as an excellent weapon manufacturer, has set itself the goal of becoming a world leader in several segments of civilian products, with particular emphasis on developments in which electronic, nano and biomaterials, as well as software management.

In a certain way, Innoprom is a review of the potential of our companies and an opportunity to see what our friends from different countries can do. The spectacle was impressive!

Denis Manturov, Minister of Industry and Trade, very clearly explained why this exhibition was organized:
We purposefully create the prerequisites for Russian and foreign companies to unite efforts and increase the level of technology for a joint struggle for markets. The forum opens in this direction large-scale prospects for cooperation.

The minister said - the minister did. At Innoprom several very interesting contracts were concluded that would open up new sales markets for Russian enterprises and their allies. For example, a tripartite agreement was concluded between VSMPO-AVISMA, Boeing and UrFU, under which the signatories will develop, produce and introduce titanium alloys with unique qualitative characteristics into production. Boeing, apparently, did not hear about the isolation of Russia. The British corporation Rolls-Royce also joined the line for Russian titanium alloys.

At Innoprom was recorded a real breakthrough in the markets of Argentina. Uralmash will supply specialized equipment to Argentinean oilmen, Power Machines will supply power plants for the Argentine Chiuido HPP, and finally the main news: Argentina will set up a joint venture for the production of KAMAZ vehicles.

By the way, about KAMAZ. I am sure that many of you have seen stories about the so-called “Google-car” - an unmanned vehicle, on which the American company Google is working. But few people know that KAMAZ, a Russian company that is part of the Rostec state corporation, is also involved in car drones and even presented at Innoprom a project to develop a distributed network of vehicle management without a driver in Russia. This is striking, but we often fail to notice that our state-owned companies often do not lag behind the most innovative companies in other countries.

Russian car industry pleases with its development. For Russian cars it is not necessary to blush, and they look at the level of the best foreign competitors in a similar price range. AvtoVAZ, another company to which the state was involved through the Rostec state corporation, brought its new product Lada Vesta to Yekaterinburg, which will soon be launched into the series. The novelty made a good impression on journalists and guests of the exhibition.

As a supporter of the struggle for the digital sovereignty of our country, I was particularly pleased with another exhibit - the Tavolga monoblock. The United Instrument-Making Corporation, which is part of Rostec, together with T-Platforms, presented a special “secure version” of this Russian monoblock, which is designed to work in the defense sector and in state-owned companies. It remains to wait for the 2016 of the year, when the production cycle will be fully established in Russia using the Russian processors Baikal-M.

In order for our industry to continue to delight us with new achievements, we need money for research and for the creation of new industries. At Innoprom it became clear that the money will be. For example, the State Fund for Promoting Innovation and the Government of the Sverdlovsk Region signed an agreement on the division of labor in support of the Ural industrialists who are engaged in new technologies. Regional officials will have to provide conditions for the launch of new industries, and the Fund will allocate money for research in the form of grants from 400 thousand to 20 million rubles.

Thanks to the efforts of the Industry Development Ministry’s Industry Development Fund, even medium-sized companies are already getting access to loans at 5% per annum. The first billion rubles has already been allocated to create 4 import-substituting industries.

Our country still has a lot of work on its way to becoming an industrial superpower, but such exhibitions as Innoprom show that we have the political will, human potential, serious partners and the necessary resources to achieve our goals. We have reasons to look to the future with optimism.

See you at the next Innoprom!
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  1. wk
    wk 26 July 2015 05: 51
    -12
    Oh my God! what an idiotic article title!
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 26 July 2015 10: 20
      +1
      Quote: wk
      Oh my God! what an idiotic article title!

      The content is not far behind.
      So what should we be "proud" of ?! Titanium alloys supplies ?! All the same raw materials, only modernized. AvtoVAZ ?! Sorry - this is Renault-Nissan, and Vesta is their project. By the way, nobody remembers its cost ..
      And what else? "Argentina Market"? !! Wow! This is the magnitude in the world economy!
      Some branches, at the expense of old scientific personnel, at the expense of young “clever men” who have not "accidentally" escaped over the hill, are still holding on. But to talk about "state support for industry" is to bend the soul! Everything is based on the bare enthusiasm of individual managers of individual enterprises - God bless them!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 July 2015 11: 49
        +34
        Quote: avia1991
        The content is not far behind.

        And in what?
        Quote: avia1991
        Deliveries of titanium alloys ?! All the same raw materials, only modernized.

        Do you even know about how technologically advanced and respected the production of these alloys is?
        Quote: avia1991
        Sorry - this is Renault-Nissan, and Vesta is their project. By the way, nobody remembers its cost ..

        And what? You would have to buy everything for three pennies, but for better and more. There are projects and they come to life, but to sit back to crumple the sofa and talk about how bad things are with us, you don’t need a lot of mind. You could just write ALL RUSSIA IN RUSSIA ... O. The essence would not have changed.
        Quote: avia1991
        Everything is on the bare enthusiasm of individual managers of individual enterprises - God bless them!

        Just extinguish the light in general. Enthusiasm is good, but without money no enthusiasm will produce anything.
        1. Vend
          Vend 26 July 2015 13: 12
          +10
          I already once wrote about the factories under construction and about a large number of foreign brands, which are a Russian product. Article plus
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 26 July 2015 13: 40
            +6
            Quote: Wend
            I already wrote about plants under construction.
            And a lot was built?

            1. steel_balls
              steel_balls 26 July 2015 15: 22
              +4
              Oh well, again about this "Tavolga"! It is now working on an Intel processor!
              Well there will be Baikal from 2016. So this Baikal is built on architecture purchased from British ARM with Cortex cores at the base. And it will be produced abroad (most likely in Taiwan). How many people can you mislead ?!
            2. Vend
              Vend 26 July 2015 15: 41
              -2
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              Quote: Wend
              I already wrote about plants under construction.
              And a lot was built?


              There was already an article and not one about how many factories were built in 2014 year, find and read.
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 06: 01
                -2
                Quote: Wend
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                Quote: Wend
                I already wrote about plants under construction.
                And a lot was built?


                There was already an article and not one about how many factories were built in 2014 year, find and read.

                His task is to denigrate Russia.
                1. ZLOY
                  ZLOY 28 July 2015 00: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  His task is to denigrate Russia.

                  And you have to drown it in molasses of uric euphoria from the wisest and only right decisions of your favorite leadership.
              2. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 06: 01
                -4
                Quote: Wend
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                Quote: Wend
                I already wrote about plants under construction.
                And a lot was built?


                There was already an article and not one about how many factories were built in 2014 year, find and read.

                His task is to denigrate Russia.
              3. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 27 July 2015 08: 54
                +5
                Quote: Wend
                There was already an article and not one about how many factories were built in 2014 year, find and read.
                Isn't this by chance?

                "The number of Russian companies that are declared bankrupt has been steadily increasing in recent months, in 2014 it grew by almost 20% compared to the previous year - up to 14, according to data from the Unified Federal Register of Bankruptcy Information."
                http://www.interfax.ru/business/424994

                Or maybe this one?

                "The number of bankruptcies in the real sector of the economy is growing rapidly. According to the expert of the Center for Macroeconomic Analysis and Short-Term Forecasting, Anastasia Mogilat, in 2014 the number of bankruptcies increased fivefold compared to 2007-2008. After the crisis year of 2009 and before the crisis year 2014 about 800 legal entities became bankrupt annually.
                The majority of bankruptcies in Russia are in the manufacturing industry - their share is on average about 60% of the total number of legal entities-bankrupts in the real sector. The second place is taken by agriculture and forestry (17%), the third - by the electric power industry (15%). "
                http://www.arctic-tv.ru/news/analitika/v-2014-godu-kolichestvo-bankrotstv-vozros
                lo-pyatikratno-do-treti-vseh-bankrotstv --- v-pishevoy-otrasli
            3. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 26 July 2015 20: 44
              -2
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              And a lot was built?

              A lot of. And you know that. Your main task is to denigrate Russia.

              http://sdelanounas.ru/ здесь совсем другая картина.
              Yes, and I have repeatedly poked you noses in the study of the Avar group, bringing to clean water such henchmen of the countries of victorious Satanism, like you and these countries.
              http://inosmi.info/masshtabnyy-dolg-skryvaet-mnogoletniy-spad-vvp-es-i-ssha.html


              http://www.awaragroup.com/upload/Awara-Study-Russian-Economy-Rus.pdf
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 26 July 2015 18: 06
          -1
          Thank you, Nexus, for the justification - have you at least explained your opinion, unlike most minus hi
          So:
          Quote: NEXUS
          And in what?

          In the same. If you read the comment - you can associate with the article.
          Quote: NEXUS
          Do you even know about how technologically advanced and respected the production of these alloys is?

          You will be surprised: I can imagine. And not even "about". The point is not how technologically advanced the titanium production process is - after all, it was also produced in the USSR, the technologies have been developed, and the metal is extremely in demand.
          The question is that by fermenting it abroad completely deprives the domestic aviation industry of hopes for rapid active development. But foreign companies successfully rivet out of it a fucking amount of airplanes - and, not only civilians, mind you!
          Quote: NEXUS
          And what? You would have to buy everything for three pennies, but to get better and more. There are projects and they come to life

          I don't need "for three kopecks". But "Vesta" is, frankly, not "Kalina" and not "Grant" for the price tag. But the "Lexus" of domestic assembly does not delight me at all.
          It's great that there are projects! It's bad that these projects are NOT OURS. As well as AvtoVAZ itself.
          Remind me, by the way, do we have a DOMESTIC factory for the production of cars of domestic design? .. Screwdriver assembly in Taganrog does not count. The rest is entirely foreign capital. So what do you propose to admire?
          Quote: NEXUS
          sitting backwards to crush the sofa and talk about how bad things are with us a lot of mind is not necessary.

          That's right, it’s easy. And I am against, in fact, such an attitude. But for the opposite, real facts are needed .. I VERY want to be proud of my country, our scientists, our factories and factories producing modern products in modern workshops! Can you help? Tell us, where do we build modern enterprises owned by the state? Instead, collapsed and destroyed in the 90s ..
          1. not main
            not main 26 July 2015 20: 49
            +2
            Quote: avia1991
            Remind me, by the way, do we have a DOMESTIC factory for the production of cars of domestic design? .. Screwdriver assembly in Taganrog does not count.

            Please: UAZ, and Izhmash too early to write off!
            1. not main
              not main 26 July 2015 23: 25
              +3
              Quote: non-primary
              Quote: avia1991
              Remind me, by the way, do we have a DOMESTIC factory for the production of cars of domestic design? .. Screwdriver assembly in Taganrog does not count.

              Please: UAZ, and Izhmash too early to write off!

              Yes, I do not care about the cons! The main thing is that UAZ works and produces cars! I myself have been driving UAZ 6 (patriot) for 3163 years, and if you change this car, then only to a new UAZ!
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 27 July 2015 21: 51
                +1
                Quote: non-primary
                I myself have been driving UAZ 6 (patriot) for 3163 years, and if you change this car, then only to a new UAZ!

                I'm glad for you, and I really respect the UAZ. But: but do not remind whose production of the checkpoint and distribution box is now being put on the Patriot? Really ours? ..
                UAZ is a car, primarily for the Russian Armed Forces, and does not directly relate to cars. And what do Izhmash OWN produce with us - can you tell me?
              2. Deniska
                Deniska 28 July 2015 10: 41
                0
                Strange you ... I would take the LAND CRUISER PRADO ... Well, to each his own ... Someone wants to comfortably someone domestic.
              3. 4thParasinok
                4thParasinok 1 August 2015 14: 06
                0
                Quote: non-primary
                The main thing is that UAZ works and produces cars! I myself have been driving UAZ 6 (patriot) for 3163 years, and if you change this car, then only to a new UAZ!

                and what engine do you have there? whose production?
            2. avia1991
              avia1991 28 July 2015 00: 28
              +2
              Quote: non-primary
              Izhmash to write off early!

              Izhmash has recently been owned by AvtoVAZ - read Renault-Nissan, so forget it.
            3. 4thParasinok
              4thParasinok 1 August 2015 14: 05
              0
              Quote: non-primary
              Please: UAZ, and Izhmash too early to write off!

              and what is izhmash? zavot went bankrupt, curtailed the full production cycle and now it is only assembling someone else's. But their Orbit was better than the VAZ nines.
        3. avia1991
          avia1991 26 July 2015 18: 07
          +8
          Quote: NEXUS
          Could instead of their epos just write-IN RUSSIA ALL G..O. The essence would not have changed.

          But you yourself have come up with this. No need to juggle request
          Quote: NEXUS
          Just extinguish the light in general. Enthusiasm is good, but without money no enthusiasm will produce anything.
          GOLD YOUR WORDS! Without money - nowhere! That's why I'm talking about "naked enthusiasm", that agricultural enterprises can take the money they need only from a bank, and the bank assigns interest for a loan quite immodest! So it turns out that people work on bare enthusiasm - just so that the industry does not die at all! There is a minuscule, barely enough to maintain the efficiency of enterprises.
          There is government support .. yes .. only now it appeared relatively tangibly only when the "roast rooster" in the form of sanctions pecked .. not even in a certain place, but right in the crown! But even now these "grants" - God forbid, cover 25% of what is needed.

          It's not that I like to "broadcast" bad things. The fact is that from the high stands we are fed with fairy tales about "how good we are!" Isn’t it better to see the Reality and do something REAL in order to live better?
          Best regards hi
          1. Vend
            Vend 26 July 2015 20: 26
            -2
            Quote: avia1991
            Isn’t it better to see the Reality and do something REAL in order to live better?
            Best regards hi
            Well, look at reality. Starting from 90's. And compare how we lived then, and how we live now. Did you notice the difference? What life has become worse than in 90's?
            1. ibnvladimir
              ibnvladimir 27 July 2015 01: 58
              +1
              Specifically in Togliatti, for example ???
            2. Deniska
              Deniska 28 July 2015 10: 44
              +1
              The point is not better or worse. The main thing is that everything would suit everyone in the country, and now, like in the 90s and in the 60s and 30s and in the 1800s, there is a lot of negative ... Without this, no where! There are always dissatisfied.
            3. 4thParasinok
              4thParasinok 1 August 2015 14: 34
              +2
              but for some reason I’m used to comparing with the 80s. It was then that I served in the army and managed to work in two factories, it was then that I entered the institute. And I saw with my own eyes how the factories in which more than 80 thousand workers worked were dying. And privatization is not the story I know.
              So do not tell tales that everything is fine with us. Yes, something is being done good, but even more harm to the country. As an example, I can cite the appointment of A. N. Tkachev as Minister of Agriculture. A man who, for 15 years of governorship, was on the list of 10 richest landowners in Europe. Back in 13, information went to the media (no one even denied it) That his personal Agrocomplex receives 90% of all subsidies for agriculture in the Krasnodar Territory (the bank distributes the money among the board members of which he himself, then his wife and daughter ) A man who at the time of the reconstruction of his own pig farm issued a law banning the sale of meat produced in the region in stores in the region, this was in 2012. About theft at the construction of the Olympics in general I will not say anything.
              And how do you compare these facts with the fact that everything is fine in our country and it only gets better every day?
          2. tot843
            tot843 2 August 2015 18: 25
            +2
            Only in the Kremlin there seems to be no crisis. All imperfect talkers in the form of siluanovs, and ulyukaevs are cracking on every corner that everything is getting better, the industry is growing like wages. I want to remind you about wins of nurses in the hospital in which Kazan) -7000rub !!!
        4. ibnvladimir
          ibnvladimir 27 July 2015 01: 55
          0
          Specifically for "Renault-Nissan" .... Hmmm, but who is the owner of this junk, which they call VAZep? What part of production is located in Russia? What part of the profit remains in Russia? Back in the 90s, most of the Togliatti buckets were made in Togliatti. Now the plans are to leave only the conveyor. I judge by regular reductions, and the transfer of production of components to other enterprises, including foreign ones.
      2. Mister X
        Mister X 26 July 2015 13: 10
        +12
        Quote: avia1991
        AvtoVAZ ?! Sorry - this is Renault-Nissan, and Vesta is their project.

        Pardon
        Remember Zhigul "kopeck"?
        The prototype of the VAZ-2101 was the Fiat 124.

        1. Leeder
          Leeder 26 July 2015 13: 27
          +14
          There is a significant difference. A penny was bought from Fiat, but it was completely made from our materials, and profit also went to us. But where does the profit of modern AvtoVAZ go? - Question! Yes, and some of the materials import like ...
          1. Atlas
            Atlas 26 July 2015 16: 01
            +1
            Enough of stinking all over Russia with your highs, I’m tired of my word of honor !!!!!!!!!!!!!
            The iPhone is also half assembled from imported components and is assembled in China, and that it is now not an American product ???? How are you tired of the dumb-headed all-crawler and all the bugs .........
        2. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 26 July 2015 14: 02
          +5
          Quote: Mister X
          Pardon
          Remember Zhigul "kopeck"?
          The prototype of the VAZ-2101 was the Fiat 124.
          Sorry: Fiat was the prototype, but it was a domestic car made from domestic components (the Italians bought the technology, and they also built an enterprise with a full production cycle, owned by the state represented by the USSR Ministry of Transport and Industry)

          Now only the name remains domestic - either it’s going to either don’t understand, or Western brands, the main part of foreign-made components, and the company itself is more than half owned by Renault-Nissan (As of the end of June 2014, over 50% of the company’s shares were controlled the alliance of Renault-Nissan, the Russian state corporation Rostec, owned 24,5%, formally 81,447% of the common and 47% of AvtoVAZ preferred shares belonged to the Dutch company Alliance Rostec Auto BV, which, in turn, was 67,13% owned by Renault- Nissan, but on 32,87% - Rostec)
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 26 July 2015 20: 51
            0
            Quote: Uncle Joe
            According to the end of June 2014, over 50% of the company's shares were controlled by the Renault-Nissan alliance,

            But doesn’t it bother you that the whole industry of China was built by foreigners? But it’s important for you to spit towards Russia.
            1. ibnvladimir
              ibnvladimir 27 July 2015 02: 01
              0
              That's what I look foreigners so directly equip the VAZ? Yes, they ripped it even tighter than Muscovites.
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 04: 57
                +1
                Yes, yes, and VAZ cars have become indistinguishable from foreign cars of the same price category.
                Foreigners equip production exactly as much as is reasonable for money, that is, economically.
          2. Mister X
            Mister X 27 July 2015 21: 29
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Joe
            AvtoVAZ was owned by the Netherlands-based Alliance Rostec Auto BV, which, in turn, was owned by Renault-Nissan by 67,13%, and Rostec was owned by 32,87%)

            Renault-Nissan is the controlling shareholder of AvtoVAZ through the Dutch Alliance Rostec Auto BV, a joint venture with Troika Dialog Investments ltd, which owns 74,51% of the shares of the car factory.
            Read more at RBC:
            http://top.rbc.ru/business/22/07/2015/55ae84f29a79473ec2b1e2e4

            Troika Dialog is a Russian investment company. The headquarters is located in Moscow.
            Since January, 2012 has been owned by Sberbank of Russia, becoming Sberbank CIB.
            Sberbank of Russia is controlled by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.
            Where is the money?
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 27 July 2015 22: 43
              +2
              Quote: Mister X
              Where is the money?
              The progress of the transaction was controlled indirectly through a special joint venture of Renault-Nissan and Rostec - the Dutch Alliance Rostec Auto BV. According to the outcome of the agreement, it was she who owned more than 74 and a half percent of the securities of the Russian automobile plant. The alignment within this joint venture is important. The French-Japanese alliance is in the lead (with Renaul - 50,1%, Nissan - 17,03%), and the Russian state corporation holds its 32,87% influence.
              http://prokatmachin.ru/news/o-vaz/

              Such a control scheme was the result of an agreement between the majority shareholders of AvtoVAZ concluded at the end of 2012. The remaining terms of the transaction remained unchanged. Previously, Renault owned a blocking stake in AvtoVAZ. The alliance has invested $ 742 million in an increase in shares. With this money Renault-Nissan completely bought a stake from Troika Dialog Investments Ltd., which owned a 20,53% stake in AvtoVAZ, as well as a part of Rostec’s shares..
              http://pronedra.ru/traffic/2014/06/27/renaul-nissan-avtovaz/
              1. Nosgoth
                Nosgoth 28 July 2015 17: 12
                0
                So him !!! :-)
        3. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 26 July 2015 15: 30
          +3
          Quote: Mister X
          Remember Zhigul "kopeck"?
          The prototype of the VAZ-2101 was the Fiat 124.

          Yes, but whose plant it was, and the Fiat-124 was just a prototype and then there was a slightly different story
        4. avia1991
          avia1991 26 July 2015 18: 13
          +2
          Quote: Mister X
          The prototype of the VAZ-2101 was the Fiat 124.

          You do not need to talk about the prototype, thank God, I have not been living for the first year in the world. And the enterprise called "Volzhsky Automobile Plant" was WHOM ?! And the profit from production went WHERE ?!
          Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs hi
        5. Slevinst
          Slevinst 28 July 2015 13: 52
          0
          Fiat became a penny after it received more than 1000 design changes
      3. BilliBoms09
        BilliBoms09 26 July 2015 15: 14
        +6
        ! Deliveries of titanium alloys ?! All the same raw materials, only modernized.
        Not alloys, but parts made of titanium.
      4. fzr1000
        fzr1000 26 July 2015 17: 40
        -2
        Do you know what the Bulava body is made of? Titanium, so be proud if you can. Boeing before that as before China in a famous pose.
      5. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 26 July 2015 18: 01
        0
        Remember what happened 15-20 years ago ... Perhaps you could move forward and faster .. There is reason and may not be proud, but not lose heart, there are shifts.
        Quote: avia1991
        Quote: wk
        Oh my God! what an idiotic article title!

        The content is not far behind.
        So what should we be "proud" of ?! Titanium alloys supplies ?! All the same raw materials, only modernized. AvtoVAZ ?! Sorry - this is Renault-Nissan, and Vesta is their project. By the way, nobody remembers its cost ..
        And what else? "Argentina Market"? !! Wow! This is the magnitude in the world economy!
        Some branches, at the expense of old scientific personnel, at the expense of young “clever men” who have not "accidentally" escaped over the hill, are still holding on. But to talk about "state support for industry" is to bend the soul! Everything is based on the bare enthusiasm of individual managers of individual enterprises - God bless them!
      6. grandson of Perun
        grandson of Perun 26 July 2015 21: 35
        +1
        I will not focus on your misinformation about the fact that the car factory in Tolyatti is supposedly foreign. The alliance is rightly called Renault-Nissan-AvtoVAZ, and AvtoVAZ’s share in this alliance is no less than the share of Renault and Nissan separately.

        I will also not focus on your misinformation about the fact that Vesta is a foreign development, although in fact the opposite is true: the Nissan Datsun mi-DO is OUR development.

        Apparently you have reasons to participate in the information war against our auto industry. I wonder what these reasons are. What self-interest is to impose an inferiority complex on us with the false slogans "Russians can't make cars"?
      7. Nick
        Nick 26 July 2015 21: 39
        0
        Quote: avia1991
        So what should we be "proud" of ?! Titanium alloys supplies ?! All the same raw materials, only modernized

        In fact, everything that is made from raw materials can be called modernized raw materials, even the American Raptor or the Russian Su-35
        Quote: avia1991
        AvtoVAZ ?! Sorry - this is Renault-Nissan, and Vesta is their project.

        Let me ask you, but whose "Renault-Nissan" then? AvtoVAZ is a Russian company, see the jurisdiction, but the fact that the Franco-Japanese Renault-Nissan is a shareholder of the Russian company only speaks of the investment attractiveness of VAZ.
        1. Metlik
          Metlik 27 July 2015 01: 26
          0
          Quote: Nick
          Let me ask you, but whose "Renault-Nissan" then? AvtoVAZ is a Russian company, see the jurisdiction, but the fact that the Franco-Japanese Renault-Nissan is a shareholder of the Russian company only speaks of the investment attractiveness of VAZ.


          And why did the VAZ stop producing Kalina sedan did not think? It interferes with the sale of Renault Logan, as it is in the same price and model category. Now tell me that VAZ is the same equal member of the alliance.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 27 July 2015 03: 32
            +3
            Quote: Metlik

            And why did the VAZ stop producing Kalina sedan did not think? She's stopping selling Renault Logan.

            But the unkillable Logan is better! For our operating conditions - the very thing !!! People's car, a worthy replacement for the "penny"! And Largus, an excellent replacement for the "four"!
            1. Metlik
              Metlik 27 July 2015 13: 23
              -1
              Quote: Bayonet
              But the unkillable Logan is better! For our operating conditions - the very thing !!! People's car, a worthy replacement for the "penny"! And Largus, an excellent replacement for the "four"!


              From the point of view of the consumer, this is true, but from the point of view of VAZ, discontinuing a well-selling model (and sedans are the most popular type of car in Russia) means acting to their own detriment.
          2. Nick
            Nick 27 July 2015 18: 48
            +1
            Quote: Metlik
            And why did the VAZ stop producing Kalina sedan did not think? It interferes with the sale of Renault Logan, as it is in the same price and model category. Now tell me that VAZ is the same equal member of the alliance.

            They stopped letting out a Kalina sedan because it was replaced by the Lada Grant, also a sedan based on Kalina. I tell AvtoVAZ an equal member of the alliance. hi
            1. Metlik
              Metlik 27 July 2015 20: 08
              0
              Quote: Nick
              I tell AvtoVAZ an equal member of the alliance.


              The Renault-Nissan Alliance completed a deal giving him control of AvtoVAZ. Now the alliance's share in the Dutch offshore company Alliance Rostec Auto BV, which manages AvtoVAZ, is 67,13 percent, and the share of the Russian state-owned corporation Rostec is 32,87

              AvtoVAZ has every right not to rock the boat and do what the French owners order it.
              1. Nick
                Nick 28 July 2015 00: 48
                -1
                Quote: Metlik
                AvtoVAZ has every right not to rock the boat and do what the French owners order it.

                Avtovaz is run by Gen. director and board of directors appointed by the shareholders. A blocking stake of 25% of shares, which allows blocking the decisions of the management, in addition, such a stake allows the appointment of directors to the board. Rostec has more than 30%, it really has the opportunity to take part in the management of Avtovaz. And how do you not "rock the boat"?
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 02: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Nick
                  A blocking package of 25% of the shares, which allows blocking the decisions of the directorate, in addition, such a package allows you to appoint directors to the board. Rostec has over 30%
                  Rostec has a 32.87% stake in Alliance Rostec Auto BV, not AvtoVAZ.

                  And AvtoVAZ shares in Rostec 24.5%.

                  http://top.rbc.ru/economics/27/06/2014/933050.shtml
            2. Metlik
              Metlik 27 July 2015 22: 54
              0
              Quote: Nick
              Kalina sedan ceased to produce because it was replaced by a Lada grant


              Grant did not replace Kalina, it is a cheaper car. Kalina hatchback and wagon continue to produce.
              1. Nick
                Nick 28 July 2015 00: 56
                -1
                Quote: Metlik
                Grant did not replace Kalina, it is a cheaper car. Kalina hatchback and wagon continue to produce.

                How did you manage to compare the prices of grants and viburnum, if viburnum is no longer available request
                Let it be known to you that the viburnum sedan and the grant are of the same class, the grant is created on the viburnum platform, and its overall dimensions and other parameters are very close and almost identical. Therefore, the grant is no less a competitor for Logan than viburnum, and maybe even more, given the updated design and configuration with automatic transmission.
                1. ZLOY
                  ZLOY 28 July 2015 01: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Nick
                  . Therefore, the grant is no less a competitor for logan than viburnum, and maybe even more,


                  Grant is the same competitor to Logan, as for example Moskvich 2140 was a competitor to the Vaz 2107, that is, NO.
                  1. Slevinst
                    Slevinst 28 July 2015 14: 03
                    0
                    Quote: ZLOY
                    Quote: Nick
                    . Therefore, the grant is no less a competitor for logan than viburnum, and maybe even more,


                    Grant is the same competitor to Logan, as for example Moskvich 2140 was a competitor to the Vaz 2107, that is, NO.


                    What is better logan grants? in a new body except that it became prettier
                2. Metlik
                  Metlik 28 July 2015 01: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Nick
                  Let it be known to you that the viburnum sedan and the grant are cars of the same class, the grant is created on the viburnum platform, and its overall dimensions and other parameters are very close and almost identical.


                  Why was it necessary to create a grant, if she and viburnum are "practically the same"?
                  Or all the same, was the goal - to separate Logan and Viburnum sedan at a price, cheapening the viburnum? VAZ creation of a new model cost a pretty penny, and coupons cut Renault.

                  Rostec has more than 30%, it really has the opportunity to take part in the management of AvtoVAZ.
                  Taking part does not mean managing.
                  1. ZLOY
                    ZLOY 28 July 2015 01: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Metlik
                    Why was it necessary to create a grant, if she and viburnum are "practically the same"?

                    Cheaper production, manufacturability (reducing the range of parts), plus a new, less disgusting design.

                    Quote: Metlik
                    Or all the same, the goal was to part Logan and Viburnum sedan for the price,

                    Yes, these cars are not competitors, Logan is stupidly bigger, and if you take into account that Logan is a foreign car (no matter how you develop Renault), and Grant is our development, then at a comparable price you have to be a very patriotic person (of small stature, build and no more two children) to prefer Grant Logan.
                    1. Slevinst
                      Slevinst 28 July 2015 14: 05
                      0
                      Quote: ZLOY
                      Quote: Metlik
                      Why was it necessary to create a grant, if she and viburnum are "practically the same"?

                      Cheaper production, manufacturability (reducing the range of parts), plus a new, less disgusting design.

                      Quote: Metlik
                      Or all the same, the goal was to part Logan and Viburnum sedan for the price,

                      Yes, these cars are not competitors, Logan is stupidly bigger, and if you take into account that Logan is a foreign car (no matter how you develop Renault), and Grant is our development, then at a comparable price you have to be a very patriotic person (of small stature, build and no more two children) to prefer Grant Logan.


                      At least compare prices and configuration, Logan is more expensive and decently
                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 28 July 2015 01: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: Metlik
                    Taking part does not mean managing.

                    It depends on how you look at it .. Avtovaz is located in the Russian Federation, right? And he's AO in form, right?

                    Then 30% is (guaranteed) a blocking stake (25 is actually enough there, see the Federal Law "On Joint Stock Companies" (On JSC) of December 26.12.1995, 208 N XNUMX-FZ)

                    Well .. as required to prove yes
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 02: 14
                      0
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Then 30% is a (guaranteed) blocking stake
                      32.87% of the shares of Alliance Rostec Auto BV, and only 24.5% of the shares of AvtoVAZ.
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 28 July 2015 02: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Then 30% is a (guaranteed) blocking stake
                        32.87% of the shares of Alliance Rostec Auto BV, and only 24.5% of the shares of AvtoVAZ.

                        Um .. cool .. in their right mind and solid memory they don’t do that, actually ..

                        Here, from the Rostec website:

                        Quote: http://rostec.ru/about/company/144
                        The structure of the share capital of AVTOVAZ JSC - 74,5% of the shares are owned by Alliance Rostec Auto BV JV (67,13% in it belongs to the Renault-Nissan Alliance, 32,87% - to Rostec), the remaining shares are held by minority shareholders

                        For some reason, I already wonder that there’s a little more than just a blocking package ..

                        Uncle Joe, it’s not that simple laughing
                      2. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 02: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        So I already threw it (and there is a wiki) recourse

                        http://pronedra.ru/traffic/2014/06/27/renaul-nissan-avtovaz/
                        Alliance establishes indirect control over AvtoVAZ through a joint venture Renault-Nissan and Rostec Alliance Rostec Auto BV, based in the Netherlands. This joint venture owns 74,51% of AvtoVAZ’s share capital. The remaining shares are in free float..

                        http://top.rbc.ru/economics/27/06/2014/933050.shtml
                        The effective share of the Renault-Nissan alliance in the capital of AvtoVAZ exceeded 50%, share of "Rostec" decreased to 24,5%, according to the newspaper "Vedomosti". The alliance gained control over AvtoVAZ due to the concentration in its hands of a 67,13% stake in a Dutch company Alliance Rostec Auto BV, which owns 81,447% of the common and 47% of preferred shares of the Volga Automobile Plant. Share of Rostec Equity Alliance Rostec Auto decreased by 32,87%.
                      3. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 28 July 2015 02: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        So I already threw it (and there is a wiki)

                        I forgot .. and I try not to use Vika.

                        Above - data from the Rostec website. 25.5% of AvtoVAZ shares belong to some mysterious minority shareholders ..

                        So I’m thinking - and who could it be? wink
                      4. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 02: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        I forgot .. and I try not to use Vika
                        Everything is pretty decent with the factual material, but the interpretations come across completely schizany.

                        who could it be?
                        Anyone.

                        The bottom line is that at the moment there is no blocking package, and it makes no sense to speculate about "what if".
                      5. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 28 July 2015 03: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        The bottom line is that at the moment there is no blocking package

                        Blocking package (25.5%) - at "minority shareholders".

                        The shares were definitely bought from the staff, back in the 90s. He himself participated in such matters as "technical personnel". NPO Energia - does that thread tell you? So, it was she ..

                        A little more - at Rostec .. yes there is definitely a blocker there, do not go to a fortuneteller laughing

                        That’s it, I’m into a lulu .. my cat has been busted here already ...
                        hi
                      6. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 12: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        The bottom line is that at the moment there is no blocking package

                        Blocking package (25.5%) - at "minority shareholders".
                        And consequently, there is no blocking package: it has been scattered among different legal entities and individuals - therefore they are minority shareholders.

                        Stocks were definitely bought from the staff, back in the 90s
                        And this is not important - it is important that they are among minority shareholders (or, as a hypothetical and at the same time absolutely fantastic version - Rostec somehow manages to drive the owner, who is Renault-Nissan, by the miracle, and this is not even funny to talk about ... )

                        A little more - at Rostec .. yes there is definitely a blocker there, do not go to a fortuneteller
                        Hope dies last but dies ... laughing

                        That’s it, I’m into a lulu .. my cat has been busted here already ...
                        belay laughing
                      7. Metlik
                        Metlik 28 July 2015 13: 22
                        +1
                        We already have an example of the fact that French companies incur losses in order to fulfill Washington’s will - this is Mistral. Who can guarantee that Renault at the right time will not throw thousands of workers into the street, provoking a social explosion? This is a time bomb that our government laid under the stability and security of the country.
                      8. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 13: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Metlik
                        Strictly speaking, they do not incur losses, but choose for themselves the most profitable option based on the conditions of the current situation, and stability with security is not observed.
                        But the hemorrhage will in any case be either acute (the option you described is true, it is unlikely), or it will continue sluggish (with the modernization of production, which unambiguously involves a reduction in staff)
                      9. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 28 July 2015 13: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        And consequently, there is no blocking package: it has been scattered among different legal entities and individuals - therefore they are minority shareholders

                        I know who the minority shareholders are. Since at one time it provided maintenance of the register of shareholders of a rather sickly enterprise (not Energy, no))). So sickly that they created their own manual CHIF under this registry.

                        And I clearly saw how shares were bought out from real minority shareholders and then scattered among "their" minority shareholders. Since my team kept the registry database, specifically laughing

                        Proceeding from this, I can say: 99.9 (9)% of AvtoVAZ's minority shareholders are "tame". And therefore the blocking package is there with a guarantee yes

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        a hypothetical and, at the same time, absolutely fantastic version - Rostec somehow managed to drive the owner by his nose, who is Renault-Nissan,

                        A JSC does not have an "owner". They are all shareholders.

                        As for "driving by the nose" - who drives whom?

                        - minority shareholders shares, their data is in the register of shareholders. Everything is checked at once
                        - do minority shareholders vote in sync with Rostec? Well, maybe they like it like that ..

                        This scheme is not caught, checked.

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Hope dies last but dies ...

                        Quote: S. Ozhegov, Dictionary of the Russian language
                        PESSIMISM. A gloomy attitude, when a person is inclined to see evil, unpleasant in everything

                        hi
                      10. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 14: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Proceeding from this, I can say: 99.9 (9)% of AvtoVAZ's minority shareholders are "tame". And therefore the blocking package is there with a guarantee
                        And therefore the French and Japanese suckers laughing

                        A JSC does not have an "owner". Everyone there are shareholders
                        But there is a controlling stake that makes one of the owners the main one.

                        - minority shareholders shares, their data is in the register of shareholders
                        So why not look?

                        This scheme is not caught, checked
                        Caught and punished.

                        Quote: S. Ozhegov, Dictionary of the Russian language
                        PESSIMISM. A gloomy attitude, when a person is inclined to see evil, unpleasant in everything
                        Popular Wisdom: A pessimist is a well-informed optimist.
                      11. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 28 July 2015 14: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        And therefore the French and Japanese suckers

                        Well, not really .. and so - but why not?

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Caught and punished.

                        How, tell me? Just keep in mind that I saw this scheme in practice, working ..

                        Not caught .. No.

                        PS: in general, in practice, a blocking packet, IMHO, is rarely needed. The list of questions on which the "blocking" works - I gave it above.

                        These are very serious questions, they arise infrequently, and, IMHO, it is easier to agree on them than to rub with a drill ..

                        All. I'm leaving here .. lit up, panimayesh, flame .. still banned laughing
                      12. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 16: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Well, not really .. and so - but why not?
                        If only because they play the 1st violin, they have the opportunity to invest the loot, they own the technologies developed by them.

                        How, tell me?
                        It is tracked by the results of voting and by monitoring the stock market (with subsequent claims, litigation and other haemorrhoids), but this is not the main thing.

                        Can minors blow in unison with Rostec? Hypothetically yes.
                        But with the same (if not more) probability they can blow in unison with Renault-Nissan, and for some reason you completely dismiss such an opportunity.

                        in general, in practice, a blocking package, IMHO, is rarely needed
                        This is understandable, the essence is different - AvtoVAZ is no longer a Russian company.
                      13. 4thParasinok
                        4thParasinok 1 August 2015 14: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Here, from the Rostec website:

                        Quote: http://rostec.ru/about/company/144
                        The structure of the share capital of AVTOVAZ JSC - 74,5% of the shares are owned by Alliance Rostec Auto BV JV (67,13% in it belongs to the Renault-Nissan Alliance, 32,87% - to Rostec), the remaining shares are held by minority shareholders
                        For some reason, I already wonder that there’s a little more than just a blocking package ..

                        Uncle Joe, it’s not that simple

                        Do you know math? if so, then calculate it yourself - the share of Rostec in AvtoVAZ shares is 24,48815%
                        In mathematics, there are only numbers, and nothing can seem there.

                        PS. And what did you have in algebra, not really two, that you can’t count a simple equation with percentages?
                    2. Metlik
                      Metlik 28 July 2015 02: 17
                      0
                      In order to block something or participate in management, you need to understand what decisions are needed to bring the plant out of crisis. And if our management understood how to do this, it would not be necessary to sell AvtoVAZ.
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 28 July 2015 02: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Metlik
                        And if our management understood how to do this, it would not be necessary to sell AvtoVAZ

                        I understand your indignation.

                        The list of solutions that can be blocked is in the Federal Law.

                        Quote: Metlik
                        you need to understand what decisions are needed to bring the plant out of crisis

                        In order to get the plant out of crisis, you need:

                        - completely replace management (done)
                        - pour money into it, I apologize (foreign partners do and will do)
                        - basically, that's all
                      2. Metlik
                        Metlik 28 July 2015 02: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        - completely replace management (done)
                        - pour money into it, I apologize (foreign partners do and will do)


                        Suppose a miracle happened, and we lured Carlos Gon to his work. What is more profitable Renault - a thriving AvtoVAZ or assembly lines loaded with the production of pure Renault models? After all, they can block decisions.

                        As for the dough - in my opinion the state has already poured a lot of it, only the effect is weak.
                      3. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 28 July 2015 02: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Metlik
                        Suppose a miracle happened, and we lured Carlos Ghos to work

                        This, in fact, is not necessary .. it’s enough if he just takes care of AvtoVAZ with interest (Nissan, as we recall .. well, in short - everything worked out for Gon)

                        Quote: Metlik
                        What is more profitable Renault - a thriving AvtoVAZ or assembly lines loaded with the production of pure Renault models?

                        And how is it to be delivered .. at the level of the state of the Russian Federation, in the jurisdiction and in whose territory this AvtoVAZ works ..

                        Quote: Metlik
                        After all, they can block decisions

                        The blocking package only works on a closed (non-expandable) list of key issues. Here they are :
                        Quote: Federal Law "On Joint Stock Companies" (About JSC) dated December 26.12.1995, 208 N XNUMX-ФЗ

                        making amendments and additions to the company's charter or its approval in a new edition;
                        reorganization of a company;
                        liquidation of the company, appointment of a liquidation commission and approval of interim and final liquidation balance sheets;
                        determination of the quantity, face value, category (type) of authorized shares and the rights granted by these shares;
                        acquisition by the company of placed shares in cases provided for by this Federal Law.

                        Quote: Metlik
                        As for the dough - in my opinion the state has already poured a lot of it, only the effect is weak

                        Without paragraph 1 (replacement management) - this is a dead poultice.

                        All IMHO !!! wink
              2. Slevinst
                Slevinst 28 July 2015 14: 02
                0
                Quote: Metlik
                Quote: Nick
                Kalina sedan ceased to produce because it was replaced by a Lada grant


                Grant did not replace Kalina, it is a cheaper car. Kalina hatchback and wagon continue to produce.


                Cheaper? and how would a viburnum sedan be better than grants? viburnum sedans of the previous generation were in good demand? I did not notice this, do not suck your arguments out of your finger
          3. Slevinst
            Slevinst 28 July 2015 13: 57
            0
            Quote: Metlik
            Quote: Nick
            Let me ask you, but whose "Renault-Nissan" then? AvtoVAZ is a Russian company, see the jurisdiction, but the fact that the Franco-Japanese Renault-Nissan is a shareholder of the Russian company only speaks of the investment attractiveness of VAZ.


            And why did the VAZ stop producing Kalina sedan did not think? It interferes with the sale of Renault Logan, as it is in the same price and model category. Now tell me that VAZ is the same equal member of the alliance.

            funny, maybe because there is a grant? By the way, the West will be built on a new domestic platform, the x-ray will be on the Logan platform, and the x-ray will be all-wheel drive on the Duster platform, Nissan has built its own terrano on this platform. It’s clear that Renault and Nissan will not stay in dupacs, but we aren’t too fast, there will be parity, and the viburnum sedan was very miserable, the hatchback looks much better
        2. ibnvladimir
          ibnvladimir 27 July 2015 02: 04
          -1
          And his jurisdiction is Dutch, if that.
          1. Nick
            Nick 27 July 2015 19: 00
            0
            Quote: ibnvladimir
            And his jurisdiction is Dutch, if that.

            Yeah, forgot about the Antilles. A technical question, just optimization of taxes. Although for the country's budget, this circumstance is not buzzing. But better than closing a huge enterprise
      8. KaPToC
        KaPToC 26 July 2015 22: 52
        +1
        Quote: avia1991
        Deliveries of titanium alloys ?!

        In general, the extraction of raw materials in Russia is a high-tech production. Perhaps somewhere in Honduras, raw materials are mined by shovels and buckets, but this is not about Russia.
      9. ibnvladimir
        ibnvladimir 27 July 2015 01: 49
        -1
        VAZep rolls to hell. Plans are being cut, workers are being cut, the city is dying out. Products are not very much in demand. Will the launch of the news help? God forbid. But already tired of stretching a penny.
        KamAZ will open another plant. In Argentina. The Argentines will work on it. And the Russians will suck x ..
        One hope for computers ... A flag in their hands.
      10. ZLOY
        ZLOY 28 July 2015 00: 36
        0
        Quote: avia1991
        The content is not far behind.

        Right! For such pearls
        ... the plot of the new "space" tram UralVagonZavoda .... The Minister said - the Minister did.

        the author is worthy of a good pendell.

        If they would give me one dollar for every comment I read that Russia produces nothing, that industry has collapsed, and that we are hopelessly behind the West, I would already have become a millionaire.

        If the author was given a pendell for every enthusiastic idiotic statement, then he would have long been a pendeleoner.
  2. satris
    satris 26 July 2015 06: 17
    +38
    It's about the industry. And I want to say about agriculture - otherwise there were also articles that villages are dying out, etc. We have almost no vacant land in the Belgorod region: the Miratorg company (recently, by the way, a new office was built in Belgorod on the central avenue named after Bogdan Khmelnitsky) has built poultry and pig farms, feed mills, granaries, etc. throughout the region. .P. Accordingly, grain and other crops are grown for feed. And now he goes to the Kursk and Voronezh regions - to develop there. By the way, chicken is getting cheaper: it was for 100 rubles, recently bought for 95 - a trifle, but nice. (I don't really like pork, so I didn't track price dynamics)
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 July 2015 08: 12
      +17
      Quote: satris
      We in the Belgorod region have almost no empty land left ...

      I am sincerely happy for the Belgorod region, and in the Urals the picture in this regard is sad ... in the former fields, one and a half meter pines. plus one, we take mushrooms there ... recourse
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 26 July 2015 10: 07
        +5
        In Siberia, the same picture is not very farmers move a little on TV show a couple of areas that are "leaders" and so full ... (I mean the Novosibirsk region) villagers are trying to leave for the city. crying
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 27 July 2015 03: 38
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        and in the Urals the picture is sad in this respect ..

        A few years ago, two people moved to us from Zlatoust, and why? They say there is generally complete darkness - the whole industry is in decline and life is gray ... Is that so, Yuryich?
    2. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 26 July 2015 14: 08
      -1
      Quote: satris
      This is about industry. And I want to say about agriculture - otherwise there were also articles that villages are dying, etc. We have almost no empty land left in the Belgorod region
      Gd ...

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      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 26 July 2015 14: 22
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Gd ...

        And here are some more pictures ..
        1. 31rus
          31rus 26 July 2015 18: 21
          +3
          I’m the same from the Belgorod region, I live in the village, tell me dear, what do you personally grow, feed?
        2. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 27 July 2015 11: 28
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
      3. andj61
        andj61 26 July 2015 14: 46
        +5
        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Gd ...

        And you try to find another schedule, or at least look at Cat Man Null. In the USSR, we had a lot of sown lands, but there was no yield, especially in the Non-Chernozem region and to the north. And we bought grain. And now in about the same volume - we sell.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 July 2015 15: 03
          +3
          Quote: andj61
          In the USSR, we had a lot of sown lands, but there was no yield, especially in the Non-Chernozem region and to the north. And we bought grain. And now in about the same volume - we sell.

          I absolutely agree, this is called the intensification of production, now one field gives many times more than in the Union. Many hayfields overgrow, yes. But now it’s easier to take three cuttings of forage grasses from one field than to drag them out of inconvenience through forests and swamps.
        2. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 26 July 2015 16: 31
          +3
          Grain was purchased for feed. The number of animals is not included in any statistics here. The number of goals really broke records. A feed grain is very small. This is the USSR. Yes, the intensity has increased today. Yes But the amount of fish meat per person now has no comparison with the USSR. Yes, they simply didn’t give the agricultural development normal. Around the leaders there were real bankruptcies. Okay, things are past. Equal conditions of privatization in Belarus and Russia. Forgotten and the legs grow from there. What did Batko do? All the middle peasants and backward farms were sold for $ 10. With one condition, to develop and raise farms. They were given loans on favorable terms but they looked at the result. Chubaisiks immediately or almost immediately shed someone planted, but the result. And now try to convince everyone that we did the right thing. And do not look for a reason. Many people know the result. First of all, we finished off the forage base for animals and swept the soul to paradise. We have gone far from those years. Yes, there are successes, but in comparison with Minsk, let’s directly admit that they are modest. We were given everything to the regions, and the officials themselves decided how to deal with this good. Some were lucky there were sane and some didn’t see the result. Too much was thrown. And the neighbors there didn’t have a chance to follow, corrected the laws, gave loans. I always think, and if we had the same as the neighbors, the result was probably amazing. Even you don’t have to go far, you have neighbors close to them to take an example.
        3. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 27 July 2015 09: 27
          -1
          Quote: andj61
          In the USSR we had a lot of sown lands, but there was no yield, especially in the Non-Chernozem region and to the north
          And there is. And now, when these lands are abandoned, the average productivity and average gross harvest have grown, which gives individual comrades a reason for pride.
          These comrades do not understand that they grew up only statistically - on paper.

          And we bought grain
          Yes - feed.

          And now in about the same volume - we sell.
          There is nothing surprising either: we used to feed cattle with this grain, and now that cattle breeding has been practically killed, they are selling it.
      4. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 26 July 2015 21: 03
        0
        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Gd ...

        The picture shows that under Putin, the area of ​​CX land almost ceased to decline. As for the import of wheat and sunflower oil, Russia has taken a leading position in the world.
        Russia, contrary to your efforts to denigrate it, BEST country in the world!
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 27 July 2015 09: 47
          -2
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          The picture shows that under Putin, the area of ​​agricultural land practically stopped declining
          If you approach from this side, it shows that the area of ​​agricultural land has virtually ceased to decline under Medvedev.

          In the import of wheat and sunflower oil, Russia has become a leader in the world.
          By killing cattle.

          Russia, contrary to your efforts to denigrate it, BEST country in the world!
          See less TNT
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 19: 04
            0
            Quote: Uncle Joe
            If you approach from this side, it shows that the area of ​​agricultural land has virtually ceased to decline under Medvedev.

            And let's see when they STARTED to decline? Could it be since the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists?

            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Russiacontrary to your efforts to denigrate her, BEST country in the world!
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 27 July 2015 19: 56
              0
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              And let's see
              And let's not - this is irrelevant.

              You stated that "The picture shows that under Putin the area of ​​agricultural land has practically ceased to decline", while the Rosstat graph clearly shows that in the zero years the total sown area continued to decline, that in 2007 it was the smallest, and that it began to increase in 2008, when Medvedev became president.

              So it didn't work for you to "lick" (and an attempt to jump on the communists, who are your fix idea, won't change this fact).

              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Russiacontrary to your efforts to denigrate her, BEST country in the world!
              And all other countries envy us ... Once again - less see TNT.
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 20: 55
                0
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                And let's not - this is irrelevant.

                Each consequence has its own reason. More how it relates.
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                that in the zero years the total sown area continued to decline

                Any system has inertia, everything is logical.

                Quote: Uncle Joe
                jump to the Communists, which is your idea of ​​fix, this fact will not change).

                Once again, all the problems of Russia and the CIS, as well as many other countries of the world, hang on the conscience of the corrupt brainless communists who dismembered the USSR in 1991.
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Russia, in spite of your efforts to denigrate it, is the BEST country in the world!
                They wouldn’t be envious, they wouldn’t meddle with claims and attempts to squeeze something from us. And to you, embittered, Russia does not give rest.
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 27 July 2015 21: 22
                  0
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  Each consequence has its own reason. More how it relates
                  For the last 15 years, not abstract bad communists have been in power, but a very specific "good" Putin, so it does not apply.

                  Any system has inertia, everything is logical
                  Apparently the Bolshevik system was very wrong, as a result of which it did not have inertia and repeated the main indicators of RI 13 years in 7 years after the end of the GW.

                  Once again, all the problems of Russia and the CIS, as well as many other countries of the world, hang on the conscience of corrupt brainless communists
                  It’s on the conscience of kings and aristocracy (following your statement, each investigation has its own reason, and if there weren’t kings and aristocracy, then there would be no communists)

                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  Russia, in spite of your efforts to denigrate it, is the BEST country in the world!
                  They wouldn’t be envious, they wouldn’t meddle with claims and attempts to squeeze something from us. And to you, embittered, Russia does not give rest.
                  Already argue with yourself?
                  1. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 28 July 2015 06: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    For the last 15 years, not abstract bad communists have been in power, but a very specific "good" Putin, so it does not apply.

                    Quite right, Putin is forced to correct the consequences of the dismemberment of the USSR in 1991 by corrupt brainless communists.
                    Russia should build another Belaz in one day? Nikolaev shipbuilding remained in another state. Putin must conjure these plants, create the same Yuzhmash?
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    On the conscience of kings and aristocracy

                    DO NOT destroy your country and kill your people, as the corrupt brainless communists did after the October coup.
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    Already argue with yourself?

                    You are embittered, for the loot of the State Department lavish slops on Russia, trying to cover up the degradation and impoverishment of the countries of victorious Satanism led by the USA.
                    Let me remind you that the countries of victorious Satanism were not divided into 15 parts, but they are impoverished rapidly.


                    Quote: Large-scale debt hides long-term decline in EU and US GDP

                    http://inosmi.info/masshtabnyy-dolg-skryvaet-mnogoletniy-spad-vvp-es-i-ssha.html


                    As the graph shows, the total growth of the Russian economy for the period amounted to 147 percentwhile accumulated Western losses range from 16,5 percent in Germany to 58 percent in the USA. Note that in the case of Russia, the computational error of Rosstat using the wrong GDP deflator is corrected, due to which there is a constant underestimation of the growth rate of Russian GDP (more about this in the Awara Group study on the impact of Putin's tax reforms in 2000-2012 on state tax revenues and GDP
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 13: 08
                      0
                      Quote: VseDoFeNi
                      Quite right, Putin is forced to correct the consequences of the dismemberment of the USSR in 1991 by corrupt brainless communists
                      The Bolsheviks were forced to correct the backwardness that they had suffered from the Republic of Ingushetia, the consequences of the war and the interventions created by the corrupt brainless kings, the aristocracy and their overseas friends.

                      Russia should build another Belaz in one day? Nikolaev shipbuilding remained in another state. Putin must conjure these plants, create the same Yuzhmash?
                      The best economic indicators of the Republic of Ingushetia (13 years) were repeated by the Bolsheviks in 28 years (7 years after the end of the GW, after 7 years of decline), and 15 years after the end of the GW (in the 36th), the growth of economic indicators amounted to 300% to 13 years (and this despite the fact that the country's life rate - communications, cargo transportation, technology level - was 3 times lower than now).
                      Fifteen years (since 15) after the degradation (without war and intervention) of the period 2000-91 (growth from the 98th), the economic indicators of the Russian Federation account for 98% of the level of 90 years (due to the only developing fuel and energy complex)

                      Draw conclusions.

                      DO NOT destroy your country and kill your people
                      Why did the corrupt brainless kings and the aristocracy do this, destroying the country and killing the people, which ultimately led to the revolution, after which the king eliminated himself, and the aristocracy unleashed the GV and facilitated the intervention, accepting the help of the Entente on the terms of its subsequent payment from the territory and bowels of the country ?

                      You are the rage
                      Do you already imagine that some abstract "we" called you embittered?

                      the total growth of the Russian economy for the period amounted to 147 percent
                      This you explain to the Federal State Statistics Service.
                      And I use the official data, and not the fabrications of Finnish freaks from the economy.
                      1. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 28 July 2015 18: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        The Bolsheviks were forced to correct the backwardness inherited from RI,

                        The Russian Empire was the fifth economy of the world. and correct by the method of destruction advise your owners of parts to 15 to destroy the United States. They are impoverished at an accelerated pace. And Russia also repays debts.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        The best economic indicators of the Republic of Ingushetia (13 years) were repeated by the Bolsheviks in 28

                        Therefore, the achievements of the USSR were compared in 1913, do not tell people.
                        There is only one conclusion: you work out the State Department loot by pouring mud on modern Russia, which, under the leadership of Putin, took fifth place in GDP.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        This you explain to the Federal State Statistics Service.

                        If you consider the method of your American households, there will be a gap even greater.
                      2. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 19: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        The Russian Empire was the fifth economy of the world
                        Moreover, its share in world industry was only 5,3%, while the combined share of France, Germany, the USA and the British Empire was 71,9%.
                        And the USSR economy was the 2nd, despite the fact that the share of the USSR in world industry was 20%.

                        In general, you can continue to tryndet about the success of the five percent fifth economy of RI, which was at least 400 years old. But against the background of the twenty percent second economy of the USSR, which has reached these indicators in 63 years, this your 5th economy is nothing.

                        They are impoverished at an accelerated pace
                        And that is why the dollar fell again in a week - from 56 to 60 rubles laughing

                        Therefore, the achievements of the USSR were compared in 1913
                        That is why: the Bolsheviks compared their achievements with the highest indicators of tsarist Russia - they could afford it. And people like you are forced to compare the "achievements" of the Russian Federation not with the highest indicators of the USSR, but with the bottom of the 90s, since before the indicators of the USSR, modern Russia is still sawing and sawing.

                        One conclusion
                        Yes - you should visit a psychiatrist

                        which, under the leadership of Putin, took fifth place in GDP
                        With a share in global industrial production of 4.1% (less than RI) laughing

                        If you count
                        Not me - Rosstat laughing
                      3. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 29 July 2015 06: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        this your 5th economy is nothing.

                        But the real sector of the US bubble occupies 20% of their economy and 4-5% of the world. It's funny

                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        And the USSR economy was the 2nd, despite the fact that the share of the USSR in world industry was 20%.

                        So where did he go, USSR? Maybe Putin stole it, like a crocodile sun?
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        And that is why the dollar fell again in a week - from 56 to 60 rubles

                        And this is good, there will be an occasion not to row goods from abroad, but to do something ourselves.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        This is precisely why: the Bolsheviks compared their achievements with the highest indicators of tsarist Russia — they could afford it.

                        So the achievements seemed higher than when compared with the achievements of the countries of victorious Satanism.
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        With a share in global industrial production of 4.1% (less than RI)

                        This is an achievement for the part of the country dismembered by corrupt brainless communists. Before Putin, and that was not.
      5. KaPToC
        KaPToC 26 July 2015 23: 06
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Gd ...

        You probably do not know that ALL Russia is in the zone of risky agriculture.
        In the USSR there were three financial black holes where all funds flowed:
        first - defense - a necessary and important matter
        the second is Ukrainian agriculture
        the third is the social system of the Asian and Transcaucasian republics of the USSR.
        We will not get rich by plowing the taiga and tundra!
    3. ivagulin
      ivagulin 26 July 2015 14: 17
      -3
      Thanks Savchenko
  3. fa2998
    fa2998 26 July 2015 06: 19
    +2
    Quote: wk
    Oh my God! what an idiotic article title!

    Both the name and some Russian developments. For example, an unmanned truck. It is better to drive an experienced driver along Russian roads, and also with a partner. How will he go around our potholes, get out of mud and snow, etc. laughing recourse hi
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 26 July 2015 06: 22
      +3
      And how will the "gaytsy" stop this chariot?
      1. Days
        Days 26 July 2015 07: 00
        +11
        With the striped control panel laughing
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 26 July 2015 08: 40
          +3
          Quote: Dagen
          With the striped control panel

          And a few magic spells, the meaning of which is brought to the intruder after his captureyes. In manual mode feel
      2. 78bor1973
        78bor1973 26 July 2015 07: 07
        +5
        And who will give them the money, they will probably make a special cash desk? laughing
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 July 2015 11: 56
      +4
      Quote: fa2998
      and some Russian developments. For example, an unmanned truck. It is better to drive an experienced driver along Russian roads, and also with a partner.

      Then immediately, without bothering, let's produce stupid horse-drawn carts. There are no roads anyway. request Why produce something new if there are units that have been tested for centuries. fellow Your skepticism is related to the arguments that the boyars led under Peter. Nafig needs a fleet, production, etc., if you can just trade hemp and not blow your mustache.
    3. ibnvladimir
      ibnvladimir 27 July 2015 02: 10
      +1
      And count it up. Buran won a fortel too, throwing it out when landing in unmanned mode.
  4. Denis
    Denis 26 July 2015 06: 20
    +21
    Russia produces nothing that industry has collapsed
    The usual groan of liberals, especially now after some, not by the night of the aforementioned break
    There was a lot of all sorts of nastiness, all sorts of perestroika, privatization, fucking conversion ...
    This is how the conversion broke off, "Ural" is alive, so it is with everything else. What is still not quite as we wanted, it was very diligently destroyed, then we will raise
    1. Days
      Days 26 July 2015 06: 55
      +9
      I will continue this good video about KamAZ)

      1. AUL
        AUL 26 July 2015 10: 32
        +9
        Denis, it is easy to stick the label "liberast" or "all-spreading". But unconvincing. The advertising brochures shown here by you are beautiful, but in reality they do not change anything.
        Patriotism is not about shouting "Hurray". Patriotism is about seeing your shortcomings and working to correct them, not hushing them up.
        1. Denis
          Denis 26 July 2015 10: 56
          +9
          Quote: AUL
          over their correction, and not suppress them.

          And who says that everything is fine? So much to break, you won’t recover quickly. It’s just that the liberals are groaning that EVERYTHING IS BAD
          Everything is the same color, taste or appearance
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 July 2015 13: 48
          +5
          Quote: AUL
          Patriotism is not about shouting "Hurray". Patriotism is about seeing your shortcomings and working to correct them, not hushing them up.

          And name at least one country where everything is fine in production, technology. And we have a conversation about our technologies, production, construction, scientific research as in that joke about whether a girl can be sexually satisfied in the central square. No answer, because they will get (without a mat, but the essence is clear) advice ... sorry for such an example, but it is very similar to all these conversations ...
          You can argue a lot, but after the 90-s, which we will go around for a long time, raising production, technology, etc. is not so simple and fast. It’s just not necessary to argue how everything is bad, but everyone will work in their place and we will be happy.
        3. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 26 July 2015 21: 57
          +3
          Quote: AUL
          Patriotism is not about shouting "Hurray". Patriotism is about seeing your shortcomings and working to correct them, not hushing them up.

          By your logic, the most patriotic patriots in our KVN and comedic club. Already inside out the poor turn out so as not to hush up the flaws, but ridicule them as much as possible. Make fun of us. It helps us so powerfully when they make fun of us, such enthusiasm rises ...

          And if without irony, then our shortcomings have long been known. Moreover, most of the system flaws and conversations are not treated. But such constant talk about shortcomings greatly helps the information war leading against us: everything is good in the West, and everything is bad in Russia - go to the Maidan ...
        4. KaPToC
          KaPToC 26 July 2015 23: 09
          +2
          Quote: AUL
          Patriotism is to see one’s own shortcomings and work on correcting them, rather than hiding them.

          For some reason I’m sure that you are not working on the correction of the shortcomings you indicated!
        5. ibnvladimir
          ibnvladimir 27 July 2015 02: 12
          +2
          Work with Russian scope and American businesslikeness, as grandfather Stalin bequeathed.
      2. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 26 July 2015 16: 18
        +1
        I will continue this good video about KamAZ)
        And where is the guy hammer hammering a bolt? wink all-crawler patterns may break.
        1. ibnvladimir
          ibnvladimir 27 July 2015 02: 14
          -3
          You messed up the plants. Sledgehammers are at the VAZ.
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          2. St Petrov
            St Petrov 27 July 2015 13: 28
            0
            there were sledgehammers on the VAZ before Anderson. Catch minus
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          4. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 27 July 2015 16: 14
            +1
            Another minus for deliberate misinformation.
            Firstly, I myself was at AvtoVAZ and of all the "sledgehammers" I saw only rubber hammers with which they "hammered" the seals into the doorways.
            Secondly, along the conveyor are a pedestrian walkway and classrooms. And if suddenly someone thought of hammering bolts with a sledgehammer, then he would immediately receive the same sledgehammer from his superiors, who constantly walks along the conveyor for business.
            Thirdly, only a weirdo masochist will hammer a bolt with a sledgehammer. Because it is much easier and faster to tighten the bolts with a wrench.
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 26 July 2015 11: 39
      +1
      Quote: Denis
      "Ural" is alive, the same with everything else.

      Ural is good. Only on our roads they are not found .. And how many imported components in the new "Ural", will you tell me?
      By the way, an all-terrain vehicle is a specific machine, you don't use it everywhere in the national economy - it's unprofitable. And the Ural saddlers are practically the same "MAN" as truckers say ..
      What about metal rolling, the lion's share of which goes abroad? Own processing machines, other equipment, which if produced - only in small batches?
      At the very least, our agricultural machinery is being harvested. Again, thanks to whom? Those who left the village, and could make a career. Peasant hardening accustoms to work, instills the understanding that without investment of effort nothing is given. But there are only a few! For the whole huge Russia!
      But large-scale events are held - summits, congresses, exhibitions .. "We can do this, that ...
      - So sell it to us ?!
      ..No, THIS is made piece by piece, just a few copies ..
      - So what do you want? ..
      - GIVE US MONEY! INVEST! AND THEN WE WILL ALWAYS RELEASE IT! "
      Quote: Denis
      What else is not quite as we wanted, it’s very diligently collapsed, we’ll raise

      Two questions, just to understand what you are based on:
      1. WHAT is already "quite SO, as we would like"?
      2. And what are we going to raise? For loans at 30%?
      1. Denis
        Denis 26 July 2015 12: 21
        +6
        Quote: avia1991
        WHAT is already "quite SO, as we would like"?

        Army, compare now and 15 years ago, not everything is in chocolate, but aren't the pace of improvement impressive?
        Agriculture, so the pace is not the same, but it’s going
        all-terrain vehicle - a specific machine, do not use everywhere in the national economy - disadvantageous
        It is clear that it is not for the highway, but there is a drill. I didn’t see much that the highway was drilled. And it’s not difficult to "call"
        And what shisha will we raise? For loans at 30%?
        With this, yes, only in the Duma it is necessary not to talk about sterilization or the prohibition of smoking, but to solve such important issues. \ Only for this you need a recall mechanism and the column "against all" is mandatory
        Yes, a lot of things are needed
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 26 July 2015 19: 19
          +1
          Quote: Denis
          Army, compare now and 15 years ago, not everything is in chocolate, but aren't the pace of improvement impressive?

          I won’t even try to argue! And it only pleases.
          But the army, in itself, produces nothing. And we can only rejoice that the defense enterprises are modernizing at the very least, and began to provide orders. Again, the products are specific; they are of little use in the national economy.
          Quote: Denis
          Clearly, he is not for the track, but there is a drill

          Yamobur is a good thing in demand. But in this version - rather inconvenient - I tell you authoritatively that you don’t use such a drill under the pile foundation, except for installing fences.
          Well, it doesn't matter. Unfortunately, I have not seen a single new "Ural", with any weight, visiting 5 regions of Central Russia. There are as many old ones as you like. Of course, this does not mean that they are not there .. But then the "Merinov", "Volvo", "Mitsubishi" with special equipment - the crowd.
          There cannot be ALL by magic. But I would like to see that something is being done in this direction. And it would be wrong to blame all the tasks on one Kamaz truck. And to develop something completely new is possible only at a new enterprise, and only with state support! FUCK ABOUT US ARABIAN AND OTHER INVESTORS, in whose hands are the factories of fundamental importance for the national economy ?!
          Quote: Denis
          a recall mechanism is needed and the column "against all" is required

          Need, of course. Only now, in many already regional Duma, for example, local deputies decided the column "against all" shall be deleted! Clear business: who the hell then who will elect them! Do they need it? Not for nothing grandmas are paid!
          How cleverly did the central government solve this issue? "The column" against all "to be applied at the discretion of local legislators" .. Great! And you won’t find fault: they introduced this column! ..
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 July 2015 12: 40
        +6
        Quote: avia1991
        Ural is good. Only on our roads, they somehow do not meet ..

        Give everything to you now and right away ... fellow

        Quote: avia1991
        And how many imported components are there in the new "Ural"?

        So what? Both in our country and in the West they use imports. What's so bad about that? We’ll develop our own, we will set our own.
        Quote: avia1991
        What about metal rolling, the lion's share of which goes abroad?

        Bad again request We produce it badly, trade with the West, it’s also bad. You, dear on the case, tell me when it should be good in your understanding. Not only about the bright communist tomorrow.
        Quote: avia1991
        But there are only a few! For the whole huge Russia!

        That’s all, you need to collect a bag and slowly crawl to the cemetery. You directly opened your eyes to the realities of Russian life. lol
        Quote: avia1991
        ... WHAT is already "quite SO, as we would like"?

        You don’t need to work, but you need a pike. So, according to your-PENDANT DECISION, everything appeared at once.
        Quote: avia1991
        And what shisha will we raise? For loans at 30%?

        Dear, there is a layout of the budget, which involves the investment of capital of the country. Once you are not familiar with this, then clearly continue to shout, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DOWN THE CHEF!
        1. Denis
          Denis 26 July 2015 18: 31
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: avia1991
          What about metal rolling, the lion's share of which goes abroad?

          Bad again. Request. We produce, bad, trade with the West, also bad.
          That's about it, metal rolling is what is bad? Not raw materials. I still remember from school that the country's industrial development is shown by the import of raw materials (there is a good here) and the export of finished goods. Rental is also not quite right, but not raw materials. How many people are engaged in its production
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 26 July 2015 18: 45
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Dear, there is a layout of the budget, which involves the investment of capital of the country.

          Yes, there is .. The budget was filled EXCLUSIVELY thanks to the collapse of the ruble - otherwise there was nowhere to scrape. And now - of course! Now you can spend "more" the price tags have grown!
          I could argue with you, sir, when discussing specific questions and answers - like Denis, for example. And with your urge to shout "Urryayaya, Putin is our EVERYTHING! And we will follow him in the Right Way!" .. It makes no sense to discuss something with you. There will be another president - there will be a different name in your comments - only the essence is unlikely to change.
          Good luck! hi
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 27 July 2015 03: 10
            +3
            Quote: avia1991
            . The budget was filled EXCLUSIVELY thanks to the collapse of the ruble - otherwise there was nowhere to scrape.

            Yah lol Are you not Gref? laughing And then so surely drive the blizzard, I want to believe you right away fellow
            Quote: avia1991
            And with your urge to shout "Urryayaya, Putin is our EVERYTHING!

            Well, with a bang, patriotism did not seem to be seen ... but since there’s such a conversation, why don’t you run without looking back from such a bad country, is it all bad, they steal and cheat everywhere ... take your family in an armful and run. fellow
            Quote: avia1991
            "Urrya, Putin is our EVERYTHING! And we will follow him in the Right Way!" ..

            Well, they say a lot of different things about Putin. But my question is: WHAT DO YOU PERSONALLY DO FOR YOUR LIVING IN THE COUNTRY BETTER TO LIKE A LITTLE LIT? Or again Putin is guilty that the salary is small, there is no work, you have to eat pork instead of land, and of course but your superiors are also solid k_o_z_l_y.
            Quote: avia1991
            It is pointless to discuss something with you.

            And I was not going to discuss anything with you, since in your case it is better to go to the lake and catch a miracle pike with desires.
            Quote: avia1991
            There will be another president - there will be a different name in your comments - only the essence is unlikely to change.

            That's the difference between us, that you look at Putin and blame him for all your sins as regards your personal disorder, and a mess in the country. Start with yourself, not with GDP, and maybe life in the country will become a little bit better. Or maybe it's time to tie up with verbiage and start working, each in its own place? Not like Stakhanov, but at least just good.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 27 July 2015 23: 12
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Are you not Gref?

              God forbid! belay
              But to understand what is happening, I have enough information - and an economist with a diploma is not necessary for this. And if you cannot accept the obvious - you are simply naive.
              Quote: NEXUS
              why don't you run without looking back from such a bad country then?
              I'm not running, and I'm not going to. Because, as one commentator put it here, "Motherland and state are two big differences." State officials are robbing my homeland, shamelessly telling us stories about their efforts for its good. And people, citizens of my Motherland - they are not to blame for this situation, and deserve much better! This, if you like, is my Goal. And to the question
              Quote: NEXUS
              WHAT DO YOU PERSONALLY DO FOR LIVING IN THE COUNTRY BETTER AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT?
              I have something to answer! I believe, unlike you .. I will be glad if I am mistaken hi
              Quote: NEXUS
              in your case, it is better to go to the lake and catch a miracle pike with desires.
              By the way, you are abusing the transition to personalities. Is this because of a lack of clear arguments?
              Quote: NEXUS
              the difference between us is that you look at Putin and blame him for all his sins as regards your personal disorder and the mess in the country

              If you read my comments carefully, you would not have written this nonsense. By the way, I personally have no problems with "personal disorder" - just as there is no disorder itself. And I look at Putin as the President who is responsible for the actions of his subordinates, who are also appointed to high posts. From this, conclusions are drawn. And the problem is not in my personal life - in what and HOW is done in the country.
              However, that Putin, that DAM - they are all children of the System. They will not behave differently in the existing environment - but no one will allow them.
              Quote: NEXUS
              .And maybe it's time to tie up with verbiage and start working, each in its own place? Not like Stakhanov, but at least just good.
              All four "FOR"! I urge both my subordinates and my friends to do the same. True, not everyone is happy with this .. but this is not surprising.
            2. avia1991
              avia1991 27 July 2015 23: 21
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              take the family in an armful and run.

              Yes, by the way .. You sometimes try to think all the same, "catching" other people's loved ones. My family is not your concern. So - do not meddle where you should not.
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        4. ibnvladimir
          ibnvladimir 27 July 2015 02: 23
          0
          Quote: NEXUS

          Quote: avia1991
          What about metal rolling, the lion's share of which goes abroad?

          Bad again request We produce it badly, trade with the West, it’s also bad. You, dear on the case, tell me when it should be good in your understanding. Not only about the bright communist tomorrow.

          Well, as you wanted. We will get metal - we will sell to China - we will buy Chinese bodies for for Lada.
      3. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 26 July 2015 15: 34
        +1
        Quote: avia1991
        - GIVE US MONEY! INVEST! AND THEN WE WILL ALWAYS RELEASE IT! "

        That is exactly what happened when it was necessary to purchase a small batch of Iskra fiscal registrars in St. Petersburg, people gathered and a factory for their production was launched
  5. Bayonet
    Bayonet 26 July 2015 07: 03
    +8
    Many words about nothing. "Tavolga" - will be, "Vesta" - will, In Argentina - will be and so on ... It is interesting to read about what IS and what will be - time will tell.
    1. Karabanov
      Karabanov 26 July 2015 08: 03
      +11
      Quote: Bayonet
      Many words about nothing. "Tavolga" - will be, "Vesta" - will, In Argentina - will be and so on ... It is interesting to read about what IS and what will be - time will tell.

      Indeed, it is written with enthusiasm ... Exhibitions, shows, projects, contracts, hopes ...
      But in fact, more often the opposite happens. In my city, the last machine-building plant, and that barely breathes ... Everything is stolen, s / n do not pay, specialists run up. Words words...
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 26 July 2015 08: 14
        +4
        Quote: Karabanov
        But in fact, more often the opposite happens. In my city, the last machine-building plant, and that barely breathes ... Everything is stolen, s / n do not pay, specialists run away

        the same garbage ... recourse
    2. anip
      anip 26 July 2015 08: 34
      +9
      Quote: Bayonet
      Many words about nothing. "Tavolga" - will be, "Vesta" - will, In Argentina - will be and so on ... It is interesting to read about what IS and what will be - time will tell.

      This is from the same opera of forecasts that in 2050 Russia wow what will it be, how people will heal perfectly. Only the people now want to live, and not after their death.
  6. fomkin
    fomkin 26 July 2015 07: 09
    +11
    Lover of dollars. Do you disagree with rubles? According to Rosstat in April, prom. production fell 4,5%. In general, I advise you to go out and calculate how much you will find the domestic auto industry. And use your fantasies for peaceful purposes and not for taunting naive readers.
    1. anip
      anip 26 July 2015 08: 36
      +5
      Quote: fomkin
      In general, I advise you to go out and calculate how much you will find the domestic auto industry.

      And you can not go out, but just look for how much is at home from domestic production.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 July 2015 09: 57
        +5
        I looked out the window in search of the Russian automobile industry. I didn’t find anything except the swing. laughing And he will get a dollar from me. I dumb them. tongue
      2. jktu66
        jktu66 26 July 2015 16: 20
        -2
        you don’t even have to go outside, but simply look for how many houses are from domestic production.
        in 2005 he hired a boy for the production of furniture in the workshop, he boasted that he made "Moscow" furniture in Volgograd, and in Moscow he had a chance to collect "Italian". laughing It is very likely that if your telly is Samsung, then you did it not in sunny Korea, but in Kaliningrad. and the guy passing you on a BMW x6 rides a completely Russian car laughing
    2. Governor
      Governor 26 July 2015 14: 16
      +6
      Exactly. The current state of affairs in industry is clearly characterized by cars on the streets - some foreign cars!
      This is clearly not an indicator of a strong economy. And the fact that it rides under our brands is for the most part stupidly modernized Soviet developments (prior), and some of them generally rivet unchanged (UAZ loaf). Truly the theft of social. property; They came up with one in another country, but they sell it nowadays ...
      With the money that had been poured into AvtoVAZ all these years, he should have started producing spacecraft long ago.
      We have a country of import, and all the arguments against are special cases.
  7. WYCCTPUJIA
    WYCCTPUJIA 26 July 2015 07: 11
    +8
    All this is good, but when can I buy it in the store and so that it will not be inferior to foreign counterparts. I would very much like to experience this "Tavolga". And on the new achievements of the car industry, I would not mind the same ride.
    But at the moment, I can’t do any of this, therefore, I relate to the article with healthy skepticism.
    1. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 26 July 2015 08: 50
      +7
      Quote: WYCCTPUJIA
      And on the new achievements of the automotive industry, I would not mind riding a ride.
      But at the moment, I can’t do any of this, therefore, I relate to the article with healthy skepticism.

      You might have a desire.
      If I’m not mistaken, then the mass production of Vesta according to the plan will begin in October, i.e. in 3 months. And there is no reason not to trust these plans.
      After 3 months will begin serial production, which is always preceded by the assembly of pilot batches and small-scale for rolling technology. We do not take pilot batches into account - they most likely went into strength and resource tests. But dozens of small batch cars are available for test pokatushek. In the news they wrote that several dozens of West were sent to all major dealers for demonstration and test drives. So there would be a desire ...
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      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 26 July 2015 16: 34
        +5
        Quote: Perun's grandson
        You might have a desire.
        If I’m not mistaken, then the mass production of Vesta according to the plan will begin in October, i.e. in 3 months. And there is no reason not to trust these plans.

        Well - BEGIN! When it starts, then it's worth talking. Before the release of the E-mobile, the days were also considered and even written in the queue, there was such a site. The president even sat behind the wheel, so where is he? People have long begun to understand (though not all) - you won’t be full of promises and slogans alone.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 26 July 2015 20: 10
          +3
          Zhirinovsky received his ё-mobile. laughing True, he left in another limo.
        2. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 26 July 2015 21: 21
          +2
          Let's leave the games of "believe - do not believe" between theologians and atheists, but think logically:
          1. For what reasonable reason can mass production not start if all the preparations for it have been completed, the equipment has long been installed and has already manufactured the first batch of machines?
          2. What were the real opportunities for Prokhorov to create in the short term a completely new car with a composite body and a rotary vane engine? It is real opportunities, not self-PR?
          I don’t argue, it was real to assemble several demonstrators. For the same rotary engine, parts from the necessary alloyed alloys can be manufactured with the required high accuracy on electroerosion machines, which are not in short supply. But this option is not suitable for mass mass production. What happened as a result, as smart people predicted.
          In general, your double standards are interesting: believe in fairy tales about the ё-mobile, but not in real Vesta winked
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 27 July 2015 03: 55
            -1
            Quote: Perun's grandson
            What happened as a result, as smart people predicted.

            I still don’t understand why such a bummer turned out with an E-mobile. Prokhorov’s brains seem to be in place, otherwise he would not have become a billionaire. Someone seriously inserted sticks into the wheels of this project.
            1. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 27 July 2015 16: 02
              +2
              Quote: Bayonet
              I still don’t understand why such a bummer turned out with an E-mobile.

              Because for the design and organization of mass production, Prokhorov’s financial resources alone are not enough. It’s not just that it’s very expensive, but also that in addition to monetary resources, intellectual and technological resources are also needed. Prokhorov had only the Yarovit company and a few talented students from his intellectual and technological resources. That is, he had neither ready-made developments, nor technology, nor the required number of qualified personnel. In principle, over time, he could buy developments and technologies (by that time outdated, no one would sell new ones), train or entice staff ... but he also did not have time. He wanted to do everything in a few years (at first he called it unrealistic for two years).
              Quote: Bayonet
              Prokhorov’s brains seem to be in place, otherwise he would not have become a billionaire.

              Favorite proverb for a puddle "if you are so smart, then why so poor" is a divorce for suckers. If a person's wealth was proportional to his mind (or his IQ), then we would see completely different surnames in the Forbes lists. I personally knew one academician. A real academician with a hundred scientific papers. He was a very smart man, Prokhorov was not even close to him. But compared to Prokhorov, the academician was simply a beggar. Therefore, be critical of the proverbs because of the puddle.
            2. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 27 July 2015 16: 02
              +1
              Quote: Bayonet
              I still don’t understand why such a bummer turned out with an E-mobile.

              Because for the design and organization of mass production, Prokhorov’s financial resources alone are not enough. It’s not just that it’s very expensive, but also that in addition to monetary resources, intellectual and technological resources are also needed. Prokhorov had only the Yarovit company and a few talented students from his intellectual and technological resources. That is, he had neither ready-made developments, nor technology, nor the required number of qualified personnel. In principle, over time, he could buy developments and technologies (by that time outdated, no one would sell new ones), train or entice staff ... but he also did not have time. He wanted to do everything in a few years (at first he called it unrealistic for two years).
              Quote: Bayonet
              Prokhorov’s brains seem to be in place, otherwise he would not have become a billionaire.

              Favorite proverb for a puddle "if you are so smart, then why so poor" is a divorce for suckers. If a person's wealth was proportional to his mind (or his IQ), then we would see completely different surnames in the Forbes lists. I personally knew one academician. A real academician with a hundred scientific papers. He was a very smart man, Prokhorov was not even close to him. But compared to Prokhorov, the academician was simply a beggar. Therefore, be critical of the proverbs because of the puddle.
    2. anip
      anip 26 July 2015 09: 13
      +5
      Quote: WYCCTPUJIA
      I would very much like to experience this "Tavolga".

      The question is, what will be the price of the product? Something tells me what will happen, like by analogy with Russian PCs based on the Elbrus processor. Of course, we can say that, they say, this is a protected computer, blah blah blah. However, this Russian computer has only a processor. a mediocre computer in which only a Russian processor at a price of 200 thousand rubles ??? A processor that costs 180 thousand? No, thanks. The most interesting thing is that now they are going to convert all post offices in Russia to these domestic computers (google, google). Bare cut of the dough: they created a PC at exorbitant prices, and now they will be obligated to push it everywhere and everywhere, and, as a result, ordinary people will pay for everything.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 26 July 2015 13: 24
        +3
        Quote: anip
        The question is, what will be the price of the product? Something tells me what will happen, like by analogy with Russian PCs based on the Elbrus processor.

        This is an economy, the more you buy, the cheaper the product. So everywhere, we did not produce processors on a large scale, and therefore an expensive product. Let it be converted later for 20 thousand instead of 200 thousand
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 27 July 2015 23: 41
        0
        Quote: anip
        created an exorbitant PC, and now they will be obligatorily vtyuhivat everywhere and everywhere, and in the end, ordinary people will pay for everything.

        Standard "schema" .. request Someone urgently needed to "collect money" ..
    3. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 26 July 2015 17: 08
      +6
      Well, why is it very simple. For a year now, children have been receiving tablets from Chubais textbooks. The money was spent. Chubais iPhone folding double screen collapsed all the shops. And Chubais’s bulb broke all records and there are many such examples. I remember how Chubais’s deputy shouted directly to director Mikhalkov in the box. We’ll build 59 factories and you’ll find out how good we are. It’s been a year since all his close associates left the country in a hurry. Something else he promised has flown out of our memory. Our government has lost control over budget expenditures. It’s a disaster for many years now that the sword of Damocles has haunted us. All hope is that the new system for the movement of budget funds what breaks into the Defense Ministry and the military-industrial complex will work. they say even the test work has already revealed several unscrupulous ones. Putin was not in vain interested in this system. If many ministries would be uncomfortable to launch it and the Khoroshavins would disappear. But this is the future and the reality is that I don’t want to write.
  8. Professor
    Professor 26 July 2015 07: 12
    0
    By the way, about KAMAZ trucks. I'm sure many of you have seen stories about the so-called "Google car" - an unmanned vehicle that the American company "Google" is working on. But few people know that KAMAZ, a Russian company that is part of the state corporation Rostec, is also engaged in car drones and even presented at Innoprom a project for the development of a distributed network of driverless vehicle control in Russia. It is amazing, but we often fail to notice that our state-owned companies are often keep up from the most innovative companies in other countries.

    Google autopilot rolled hundreds of thousands of kilometers. (Amendment: over a million miles.) How much "did KamAZ" lag behind?

    You no longer have to blush for Russian cars, and they look at the level of the best foreign competitors in the same price range.

    And besides how "look" there are still successes? wink

    MINUS article. negative The author wanted to tell about successes, he certainly should not have started with the automobile industry.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 26 July 2015 07: 42
      -4
      Quote: Professor
      Autopilot Google has driven hundreds of thousands of kilometers. (Correction: more than a million miles.) How far has KamAZ "kept up"?

      And already there is an accident, it seems even with human casualties, such a Kamaz is not necessary
      1. Professor
        Professor 26 July 2015 07: 59
        0
        Quote: rosarioagro
        And already there is an accident, it seems even with human casualties, such a Kamaz is not necessary

        There were a total of 14 minor accidents, not one of which was the fault of the autopilot.
        Google's autonomous car injuries: Blame the human
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 26 July 2015 08: 51
          0
          I heard on the radio (so there will be no links fellow ) that the robotic machine crushed a person. A fatal outcome. Maybe such information in Israel kupupirut, they don’t tell you the whole truth. your nerves before deploying these robots on your roads. smile .!
          1. Professor
            Professor 26 July 2015 10: 17
            -2
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            I heard on the radio (so there’s no link) that the robotic machine crushed a person. Fatal.

            Armenian radio? wink
            1. jktu66
              jktu66 26 July 2015 16: 27
              0
              Armenian radio? wink
              Voice of America.
      2. grandson of Perun
        grandson of Perun 26 July 2015 09: 06
        +3
        Quote: rosarioagro
        And already there is an accident, it seems even with human casualties, such a Kamaz is not necessary

        Do not? And which one?
        Do you have to wave your magic wand so that the ready-made one without "childhood diseases" appears? But this only happens in fairy tales and in the speeches of amateurs. Any complex technique is born long and difficult. We also did not immediately fly into space.
        A comparison of the budgets and capabilities of Google and Kamaz to put it mildly incorrect. How much money Google has, and how much Kamaz ... How many intellectual resources Google can attract, and how much Kamaz ...
        In general, the theme of our car industry is one of the main topics in the information and economic war against our country, and as a result, the constant persecution of our car industry with an abundance of myths and misinformation.
        1. Professor
          Professor 26 July 2015 10: 20
          -1
          Quote: Perun's grandson
          and as a result, the constant persecution of our car industry with an abundance of myths and misinformation.

          That is, in fact, Lada is more reliable than any Toyota and Bamerov there and the enemies of Russia just talk about it .. lol
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 July 2015 10: 21
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            That is, in fact, Lada is more reliable than any Toyota there

            Of course, we have two Toyotas in the Far East for one Lada. laughing
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 26 July 2015 16: 42
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Of course, we have two Toyotas in the Far East for one Lada.

              Because Lada there is exotic! smile
          2. MMX
            MMX 26 July 2015 14: 14
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: Perun's grandson
            and as a result, the constant persecution of our car industry with an abundance of myths and misinformation.

            That is, in fact, Lada is more reliable than any Toyota and Bamerov there and the enemies of Russia just talk about it .. lol


            I correctly understood that in one post you are comparing cars of the brands "Lada", "Toyota" and "BMW" ???
          3. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 26 July 2015 22: 12
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            That is, in fact, the Lada is more reliable than any Toyota and Bamerov there and the enemies of Russia just talk about it.

            A favorite technique of the overwhelming enemies of Russia is to compare cars of completely different price categories.
            How many times Toyota, Mercedes or BMW are more expensive than the Lada of the same year of release? AND?

            An interesting "logic" of Internet fighters against Russia: denial of their participation in the persecution of our car industry with an abundance of myths and misinformation proves ... attention! ... another deception "cars with a difference in cost several times must have the same consumer properties, including comfort and resource" fool
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    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 26 July 2015 11: 15
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      Autopilot Google has driven hundreds of thousands of kilometers. (Correction: more than a million miles.) How far has KamAZ "kept up"?

      You can also notice that the Americans have a passenger car and the Russians have a large truck, apparently the computer in the trailer is hidden because it does not fit in the passenger car.
      1. Professor
        Professor 26 July 2015 12: 51
        -3
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        You can also notice that the Americans have a passenger car and the Russians have a large truck, apparently the computer in the trailer is hidden because it does not fit in the passenger car.

        It was a blow below the waist. laughing
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 29 July 2015 06: 10
          0
          Not at all - so that it was possible for cars to push. fellow And the weight of the batteries here matters ...
      2. MMX
        MMX 26 July 2015 14: 23
        +1
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Quote: Professor
        Autopilot Google has driven hundreds of thousands of kilometers. (Correction: more than a million miles.) How far has KamAZ "kept up"?

        You can also notice that the Americans have a passenger car and the Russians have a large truck, apparently the computer in the trailer is hidden because it does not fit in the passenger car.


        I will say even more that Daimler-Benz is also backward and is testing unmanned trucks. And Oshkosh is also there for the American defense industry ... By the way, trucks use a more advanced orientation system than Google mobile. Apparently, the same "hefty computer in the trailer" (not otherwise Russian) is to blame.
        1. Professor
          Professor 26 July 2015 14: 34
          -2
          Quote: MMX
          I will say even more that Daimler-Benz is also backward and is testing unmanned trucks. And Oshkosh is also there for the American defense industry ... By the way, trucks use a more advanced orientation system than Google mobile. Apparently, the same "hefty computer in the trailer" (not otherwise Russian) is to blame.

          Let's not confuse full autopilot and remote control.

          Quote: MMX
          I correctly understood that in one post you are comparing cars of the brands "Lada", "Toyota" and "BMW" ???

          Yeah. Type of family car with 4 wheels, steering wheel, etc. lol
          1. MMX
            MMX 26 July 2015 14: 43
            +2
            Let's not confuse full autopilot and remote control.


            Let's not be confused. Start with yourself. I didn’t say a word about the remote control here.

            Yeah. Type of family car with 4 wheels, steering wheel, etc.


            Those. You do not see the difference between these brands?
            1. Professor
              Professor 26 July 2015 19: 15
              -3
              Quote: MMX
              Let's not be confused. Start with yourself. I didn’t say a word about the remote control here.

              Oh yes. Which I'm not attentive. lol While others have already adopted it, he is only "testing unmanned trucks." Let me tell you a secret, I am testing a perpetual motion machine ... wink

              Quote: MMX
              Those. You do not see the difference between these brands?

              And you?

              Quote: MMX
              Well, if the technology of unmanned KAMAZ from Daimler, then how would Google really have to be in the role of catching up)))

              Google has traveled over a million kilometers. How many unmanned KAMAZ passed? wink

              Quote: Vladimirets
              And by the way, Professor, you are not very complex about the Israeli auto industry? And some say that without it (the automobile industry) there is nothing to talk about the success of the state.

              No, not complex. We do not seem to have a shortage of vehicles.

              Quote: NEXUS
              But you will answer as usual - we are a small country and there is no point in producing our own. But to criticize ours, it’s only up to you.

              1. We are not waving a flag with import substitution. We do not make drama from the purchase of weapons or other products abroad. And we do not shout that "our state-owned companies often keep up with the most innovative companies in other countries."
              2. When you need to do your own.



              Quote: jktu66
              "small pile, but stinking" is a Hebrew folk proverb

              Do not be so self-critical.

              Quote: BilliBoms09
              And please tell me what kind of car does Israel produce or "... Jews don't make their cars because they are already in the Promised Land and they have nowhere to go"

              It seems to be doing something. They even say that robots have long adopted cars. wink
              1. MMX
                MMX 26 July 2015 19: 47
                +4
                Oh yes. How attentive I am. lol While others have already adopted it, he is only "testing unmanned trucks."


                The road will be overcome by a walker Unlike you, I do not draw conclusions about what I do not know. At what stage and what progress KAMAZ has in the field of unmanned vehicles, I do not know. Yes, and you too. But you have already indicated the backwardness of KAMAZ technologies. Maybe so, but maybe not. It will show time.

                And you?


                I understand that among Jews it is customary to answer a question with a question. But in a decent society, according to the rules of dialogue, it is first customary to answer a question, and then ask your own.
                But you, judging by the construction of your posts on this topic, are very far from the topic of the automotive industry. So maybe you should not climb and try to give judgments on that topic that you know nothing about?

                Google has traveled over a million kilometers. How many unmanned KAMAZ passed?


                And who knows how much he went. These programs are not openly discussed.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 26 July 2015 20: 01
                  -4
                  Quote: MMX
                  Orog will be mastered by the going Unlike you, I do not draw conclusions about what I do not know. At what stage and what progress KAMAZ has in the field of unmanned vehicles, I do not know. Yes, and you too. But you have already indicated the backwardness of KAMAZ technologies. Maybe so, but maybe not. It will show time.

                  Of course, maybe KAMAZ trucks are already plowing the expanses of the universe. We don’t know for sure, but it’s forgiven for us that Google has driven over a million kilometers. So KAMAZ robots have not yet been discussed.

                  Quote: MMX
                  I understand that among Jews it is customary to answer a question with a question. But in a decent society, according to the rules of dialogue, it is first customary to answer a question, and then ask your own.

                  It’s strange to hear from you about the rules of decency in the conduct of disputes. You are not able to confirm your statement. In a decent society, it is taken differently. To refute the opponent is not able to. In a decent society, it is taken differently. When you can find facts proving that Toyota, Lada and BMW are different classes of cars that can not be compared in one comment, then I beg you.

                  Quote: MMX
                  And who knows how much he went. These programs are not openly discussed.

                  Not published in your village newspaper? The bourgeois published. I even laid out a reference to them here. hi
                  1. Victor-M
                    Victor-M 26 July 2015 20: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Professor
                    Of course, maybe KAMAZ trucks are already plowing the expanses of the universe. We don’t know for sure, but it’s forgiven for us that Google has driven over a million kilometers. So KAMAZ robots have not yet been discussed.

                    And you bought yourself Google - a car, why, if it's not a secret, go wherever you go with your family, or what? laughing
                  2. MMX
                    MMX 26 July 2015 20: 32
                    +4
                    Of course, maybe KAMAZ trucks are already plowing the expanses of the universe. We don’t know for sure, but it’s forgiven for us that Google has driven over a million kilometers


                    Did someone say that KAMAZ cars are driving around the road?

                    So KAMAZ robots have not yet been discussed.


                    Of course. Not good. Not bad. Is not it?

                    It’s strange to hear from you about the rules of decency in the conduct of disputes. You are not able to confirm your statement. In a decent society, it is taken differently. To refute the opponent is not able to. In a decent society, it is taken differently. When you can find facts proving that Toyota, Lada and BMW are different classes of cars that can not be compared in one comment, then I beg you.


                    Facts? In fact, you put it in one row and Lada, and Toyota, and BMW. Who pulled you for the language. They sat in a puddle, apparently already guessed, thought there would be no one versed in the topic?
                    And the statement about the fact that they are all four-wheeled family cars with a steering wheel gives out an "expert" at all ...
                    You threw it on the fan. It was you who issued a judgment about what you do not know. I didn’t compare these three brands here.
                    Have you ever wondered why the most expensive Lada is half the price of the most affordable Toyota? Or why the TOP "high-end" manufacturer and one of the patriarchs of the world car industry BMW sells cars 8,5 times less than Toyota? Not?
                    By the way, about your statement about four-wheeled family cars, let it be known to you that half of the BMW model line is not family cars at all.
                    How could these brands be compared ???

                    Not published in your village newspaper? The bourgeois published. I even laid out a reference to them here.


                    Infa walks for a long time. The first stage of the tests has passed. At the training ground. How much did such KAMAZ go through the landfill?
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 26 July 2015 20: 45
                      -3
                      Quote: MMX
                      Did someone say that KAMAZ cars are driving around the road?

                      Quote: MMX
                      I understand that among Jews it is customary to answer a question with a question. But in a decent society, according to the rules of dialogue, it is first customary to answer a question, and then ask your

                      Cognitive dissonance however. wink

                      Quote: MMX
                      Of course. Not good. Not bad. Is not it?

                      Quote: MMX
                      I understand that among Jews it is customary to answer a question with a question. But in a decent society, according to the rules of dialogue, it is first customary to answer a question, and then ask your

                      Cognitive dissonance however. wink
                      It turns out that Google has driven over a million km, and KAMAZ ... request

                      Quote: MMX
                      Facts? In fact, you put it in one row and Lada, and Toyota, and BMW. Who pulled you for the language. They sat in a puddle, apparently already guessed, thought there would be no one versed in the topic?

                      Well, yes, I sat in a puddle listing family cars, out of knowledge. laughing Okay BMW and Toyota, but Lada is actually a disguised tractor in wartime designed to transport Topol to the starting position. The stupid bourgeoisie BMW and Toyota recorded to family cars:
                      Cars that are good for families

                      CAR Reviews: family-cars

                      Quote: MMX
                      Have you ever wondered why the most expensive Lada is half the price of the most affordable Toyota?

                      Probably because if you try to sell Lada for the same price as Toyota, then at least you will not understand. Price Lada corresponds to its quality. Q.E.D. hi

                      Quote: MMX
                      How could these brands be compared ???

                      For those in the tank: look at the links above with family cars and Kusu elbows. wink
                      1. MMX
                        MMX 26 July 2015 21: 57
                        +3
                        Cognitive dissonance however.


                        The question is what? There is a statement (narrative sentence), there is a question (interrogative). Free educational program. Do not give thanks.

                        It turns out that Google has driven over a million km, and KAMAZ ...


                        Well, tell us from the village how much KAMAZ has driven?

                        Well, yes, I sat in a puddle listing family cars, out of knowledge. laughing Okay BMW and Toyota, but Lada is actually a disguised tractor in wartime designed to transport Topol to the starting position. Dumb bourgeois BMW and Toyota recorded for family cars


                        Reread my post again. If it doesn't work, then you can reread it several times. There it is written in Russian in white: "half of the BMW model line is not family cars at all." If you show in this phrase the statement that BMW does not have family cars, then I completely, CAPSOM, admit that you are right everywhere and in everything ...

                        Probably because if you try to sell Lada for the same price as Toyota, then at least you will not understand. Price Lada corresponds to its quality. Q.E.D.


                        Probably because these brands occupy different market segments. And all three that you called! Now, if it was possible not to get into the topic, then you managed completely)))) All three brands belong to different market segments and are absolutely incomparable. Each segment has its own requirements and rules. What is acceptable for Lada, then can not be on Toyota. What is allowed for Toyota is not permissible in the premium class to which BMW belongs. I would understand if they compared BMW, Mercedes and Audi. All brands of one market segment are premium. Or Toyota with Ford or Chevrolet, Volkswagen and Nissan. BUT to compare Toyota with BMW and, especially, with Lada - this is the height of ignorance in the automotive world.
                        Lada - a car for your money. You can not demand from him the quality and qualities of a Mercedes (a car that costs 10 times more expensive). This is the law. He acts everywhere.

                        For those in the tank: look at the links above with family cars and Kusu elbows.


                        For those who are in the tank, see above.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 27 July 2015 09: 13
                        -2
                        Quote: MMX
                        The question is what? There is a statement (narrative sentence), there is a question (interrogative). Free educational program. Do not give thanks.

                        The question is, having noticed a question in comments, you immediately try to make this a Jewish habit, but you yourself suddenly answer a question with a question. Or maybe you are a Jew yourself? Or do you still have cognitive dissonance? lol

                        Quote: MMX
                        Well, tell us from the village how much KAMAZ has driven?

                        Not at all. There only DEVELOP.

                        Quote: MMX
                        Reread my post again. If it doesn't work, then you can reread it several times. There it is written in Russian in white: "half of the BMW model line is not family cars at all." If you show in this phrase the statement that BMW does not have family cars, then I completely, CAPSOM, admit that you are right everywhere and in everything ...

                        What a demagoguery. Pull on a fifth grader. Let's get back to my original phrase about Lada, TOYOTA and BMW cars:That is, in fact, the Lada is more reliable than any Toyota and Bamerov there and the enemies of Russia just talk about it. Are there complaints or, in your opinion, is Lada more reliable than the listed devices?

                        Quote: MMX
                        All three brands belong to different market segments and are absolutely incomparable.

                        All three family cars. Learn the materiel. Links Above. Will be able to refute them (there they are positioned as family cars for the middle class) - I beg you, but I will not waste my time on you.
                      3. MMX
                        MMX 27 July 2015 11: 46
                        +1
                        The question is, having noticed a question in comments, you immediately try to make this a Jewish habit, but you yourself suddenly answer a question with a question. Or maybe you are a Jew yourself? Or do you still have cognitive dissonance?


                        Interestingly, did you yourself understand what you wrote? ...

                        Not at all. There is only DEVELOP.


                        And in our village they write that they travel around the landfill. Yes, and Google did not enter the market with its autopilot. Why? It's simple: a Google product is also in development. Stage - tests. And the article doesn’t say that KAMAZ developments are better than Google ...

                        What a demagoguery. Pull on a fifth grader. Let us return to my original phrase about Lada, TOYOTA and BMW cars: That is, in fact, Lada is more reliable than any Toyota and Bamerov there and the enemies of Russia just talk about it. Are there complaints or, in your opinion, is Lada more reliable than the listed devices?


                        You do not understand and do not understand the issue. There are complaints that you compared brands from completely different classes. This comparison is incorrect. By the way, if we talk about reliability, then BMW for this indicator is not far from Lada. That BMW that Lada - very brittle. Only in the case of BMW, the capriciousness of the machine in terms of reliability is very expensive ...

                        All three family cars. Learn the materiel. Links Above. Will be able to refute them (there they are positioned as family cars for the middle class) - I beg you, but I will not waste my time on you.


                        I refute: BMW Z4, Coupe 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th series and the entire line of M-series are not family cars. Well, if you name me at least one model of a BMW of class "B" (to which all Lada models belong), then I will be very grateful ...
                        I repeat for the gifted: listed completely from different market segments. Comparing them is completely incorrect.
                        I am not a fan of the domestic auto industry, but I am aware that a car worth less than $ 7 thousand can not a priori possess the qualities of a car worth even $ 20 thousand (not to mention the above).
                        As for the given rating. And what is there to refute? Private opinion of the editors of the publication? With the same success, another publication may make a rating in which to indicate other models:
                        http://mihelson.tv/post/Luchshie_semeynye_avtomobili_na_amerikanskom_rynke_2015_
                        goda_TOP10
                        or
                        https://auto.mail.ru/article/52568-nemcy_nazvali_luchshie_semeinye_avtomobili/
                        Everything is somehow different there than in the rating you submitted.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 27 July 2015 14: 45
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                        Quote: MMX
                        Interestingly, did you yourself understand what you wrote? ...

                        I understand that among Jews it is customary to answer a question with a question. But in a decent society, according to the rules of dialogue, it is first customary to answer a question, and then ask your own.

                        Quote: MMX
                        And in our village they write that they travel around the landfill.

                        Drop the link to your village newspaper where it is written as KAMAZ travels around the landfill in automatic mode.

                        Quote: MMX
                        You do not understand and do not understand the issue. There are complaints that you compared brands from completely different classes. This comparison is incorrect.

                        I thought I was comparing a family car with a tractor unit, but now I’m sure that the cars I compare are of the same class. Namely, family cars designed for transporting children to kindergarten and school, shopping, travel to nature and further on the list.

                        Quote: MMX
                        By the way, if we talk about reliability, then BMW for this indicator is not far from Lada.

                        Surprise me with the reliability rating of BMW and Lada, as well as the average time to failure. wink

                        Quote: MMX
                        I repeat for the gifted: listed completely from different market segments. Comparing them is completely incorrect.

                        Weak rebuttals. All these cars of the same class are family cars, and the fact that burgers do not buy Lada, but prefer Bemer or Corolla ... Well, stupid. fool

                        Quote: MMX
                        As for the given rating. And what is there to refute? Private opinion of the editors of the publication? With the same success, another publication may make a rating in which to indicate other models:

                        The American market is different from the European. BMW in America is more expensive, but from this BMW and Toyota do not stop producing family cars.
                      5. MMX
                        MMX 29 July 2015 15: 22
                        0
                        Drop the link to your village newspaper where it is written as KAMAZ travels around the landfill in automatic mode.


                        http://chelny-week.ru/2015/05/kamaz-ispytyvaet-v-tatarstane-pervyj-rossijskij-gr

                        uzovik-bespilotnik /

                        I thought I was comparing a family car with a tractor unit, but now I’m sure that the cars I compare are of the same class. Namely, family cars designed for transporting children to kindergarten and school, shopping, travel to nature and further on the list.


                        Family is what class of car, may I ask? Something I do not remember such a class of cars as a "family car". The EU has a classification into the following classes:
                        A, B, C, D, E, F.
                        But the car class "family" - what is this class and by what classification?

                        Surprise me with the reliability rating of BMW and Lada, as well as the average time to failure.


                        http://serega.icnet.ru/CarReliabilAuto_2015.html

                        http://www.1gai.ru/autonews/514358-reyting-nadezhnosti-avtomobiley-jd-power-2015

                        -goda.html

                        BMW is not even there in the first 10-ke. Only the 19th. And much lower than the leading Toyota. Moreover, reliability has never been a trump card BMW. Here is advanced technology - yes.

                        Weak rebuttals. All these cars of the same class are family cars, and the fact that burgers do not buy Lada, but prefer Bemer or Corolla ... Well, stupid.


                        Hospadi, I have to explain everything on my fingers,
                        Stamps of different segments. No one (or almost no one, which for the market means the same thing) will not buy Lada at a price of $ 20 thousand. Even if the VAZ makes the car no worse than Toyota. Because the reputation of the brand and its positioning in the market corresponds to the lowest price group.
                        The same with Toyota. No one will buy a Toyota brand car for 50-70 thousand US dollars, because for this money you can already buy premium cars: Audi, Mercedes and BMW (and Toyota are massive mid-priced cars).
                        Have you ever wondered why Toyota created the Lexus (which is based on 90% of the units identical to other Toyota cars)?
                        Therefore, these brands are not competitors to each other (different market segments). Their comparison is incorrect a priori.

                        The American market is different from the European. BMW in America is more expensive, but from this BMW and Toyota do not stop producing family cars


                        BMW is more expensive than Toyota all over the world.
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 30 July 2015 09: 00
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                        Quote: MMX
                        Drop the link to your village newspaper where it is written as KAMAZ travels around the landfill in automatic mode.

                        While the tests are carried out inside the plant, further they will continue on the territory of one of the Russian Emergencies Ministry training grounds.
                        Bravo. good As required.

                        Quote: MMX
                        Family is what class of car, may I ask? Something I do not remember such a class of cars as a "family car". The EU has a classification into the following classes:
                        A, B, C, D, E, F.
                        But the car class "family" - what is this class and by what classification?

                        Thank you for simplifying my life to the point of impossibility. All three cited by me as an example of a car belong to the same category (according to your class lol ) B - cars (except for vehicles of category “A”), the permissible maximum mass of which does not exceed 3500 kg and the number of seats which, in addition to the driver’s seat, does not exceed 8 (8 or less). + Vehicles of category “B” coupled to trailer, when the total permitted maximum mass of the road train does not exceed 3500 kg.

                        Quote: MMX
                        Surprise me with the reliability rating of BMW and Lada, as well as the average time to failure.

                        Again by. You claim that:
                        Quote: MMX
                        By the way, if we talk about reliability, then BMW on this indicator is not far from Lada

                        And in the rating you quoted, Lada does not smell. Q.E.D. hi


                        Quote: MMX
                        Therefore, these brands are not competitors to each other (different market segments). Their comparison is incorrect a priori.

                        Is it hard to be in a tank? Lada BMW 2-Series and Toyota Korola - they all fight for one market segment, not SUVs, not representative cars, but family cars. hi
                      7. MMX
                        MMX 30 July 2015 14: 36
                        0
                        While the tests are carried out inside the plant, in the future they will continue on the territory of one of the Russian EMERCOM training grounds.
                        Bravo. good What was required to prove.


                        Yes, but it does. Let at the site of the plant. Those. There is a valid sample. Rt

                        Thank you for simplifying my life to the point of impossibility. All three cars I cited as an example belong to the same category (for your lol class) В - cars (except for vehicles of category "A"), the permissible maximum mass of which does not exceed 3500 kg and the number of seats which, in addition to the driver’s seat, is not exceeds 8 (8 or less). + category “B” vehicles coupled to a trailer when the total permitted maximum mass of the road train does not exceed 3500 kg.


                        Confusing the category of a driver’s license (for the right to drive a vehicle) with a car class is strong.
                        Those. if the car is class "D" (for example, Toyota Camry or BMW 3-series), then you can drive them only with "bus rights" ???? belay belay wassat

                        And in the rating you quoted, Lada does not smell. Q.E.D.


                        That's right, the rating is American. Lada is not for sale there. I just illustrated the argument for reliability (or rather, the lack of reliability of BMW). In such ratings, BMW is not almost always (with rare exceptions) not a cake. So that.

                        to be in the tank? Lada, BMW 2-series and Toyota Korola - all of them are fighting for one market segment, not SUVs, not representative cars, but family cars.


                        BMW of the 2nd series and Corolla are cars of class "C" (in your opinion, it means that you need to have the rights to the truck in order to drive them)))) ...
                        I'll tell you a secret now, but VAZ does not produce a single C-class model ... Such things.
                      8. Professor
                        Professor 30 July 2015 15: 05
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                        Quote: MMX
                        Let at the site of the plant.

                        Why wishful thinking. Where is the landfill? wink


                        Quote: MMX
                        Those. There is a valid sample. Rt

                        No. Google has a valid sample. I dashed along the roads for more than a million kilometers, and at Kamaz I didn’t even leave the territory of the plant. request

                        Quote: MMX
                        Confusing the category of a driver’s license (for the right to drive a vehicle) with a car class is strong.

                        Let's follow your rules. The models listed by me belong to different classes: A, B, C, D, E, F? lol Thank you for attention. hi

                        Quote: MMX
                        That's right, the rating is American.

                        And then where are the docs: "By the way, if we talk about reliability, then BMW is not far from Lada in this indicator."? Oh, how ugly it turned out ... laughing

                        Lada, BMW 2-series and Toyota Korola - all of them are fighting for one market segment, not SUVs, not representative cars, but family cars. Thank you for the attention. hi

                        PS
                        I am glad for you that you choose Lada, but my personal choice fell on the BMW 3 Series. Recommend. Cheap and cheerful. There were no problems with reliability; I did not observe childhood diseases. Although this model (325i) is not a family car (there are brackets for mounting a booster on the rear seat, but IMHO access to the child is not very convenient), but BMW did not stop producing family cars because of this. All the best to you. hi
                      9. Schulz
                        Schulz 30 July 2015 15: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: MMX
                        Let at the site of the plant.

                        Why wishful thinking. Where is the landfill?

                        Professor, "the plant's landfill" does not literally mean that it is on the plant's grounds.
                        The BMW test site is in no case located.

                        Quote: Professor
                        By the way, if we talk about reliability, then BMW is not far from Lada in this indicator "[/ b]? Oh, how ugly it turned out ...

                        I would say more.
                        BMW (along with all the major automakers) has constant reviews of cars due to marriage. VAZ, as far as I know, did not have a single one. Is this not an indicator of reliability? wink
                      10. Professor
                        Professor 30 July 2015 19: 47
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                        Quote: Schulz
                        Professor, "the plant's landfill" does not literally mean that it is on the plant's grounds.
                        The BMW test site is in no case located.

                        Come on you. The Kamaz track is located on the territory of the plant itself, as is the BMW track, Mercedes ... However, this is not a testing ground. wink




                      11. Schulz
                        Schulz 30 July 2015 21: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor

                        Come on you. The Kamaz track is located on the territory of the plant itself,

                        As mentioned above, Kamaz often uses the Emergencies Ministry's landfills. In addition, there is a Kamaz-Master training ground

                        Quote: Professor
                        ... like the track of BMW, Mercedes ... However, this is not a test site.

                        You have incomplete information. In addition, since both BMW and Mercedes produce not only passenger cars, but also crossovers with SUVs, factory testing grounds are not suitable for full-fledged tests. The same Gelendvagen on the factory track is not particularly testable (yes, there are slides and "rough terrain" there, but this is mainly for journalists.

                        BMW test track in Miram, France: 473 hectares of land between Marseille and Avignon in southern France offers 52 km of test tracks, including a high-speed oval and replica Nurburgring carousel.
                      12. Schulz
                        Schulz 30 July 2015 21: 21
                        0
                        BMW test track at Ascheim near Munich

                        Daimler, Wörth test track: The 50 ha test site is used to develop and test commercial vehicles.

                        Audi. Test track at Schwaig bei Neuburg / Donau
                      13. Schulz
                        Schulz 30 July 2015 21: 47
                        0
                        Besides
                        "Serial production of the machine can begin no earlier than in two years", - said the general director of the plant.

                        And the same Mercedes, hopelessly behind KamAZ and will not be able to launch a series of its drones before 25 years. tongue

                        As the saying goes: "We saw Lilliputians and larger!"
                      14. MMX
                        MMX 30 July 2015 19: 01
                        0
                        Why wishful thinking. Where is the landfill?


                        Does the landfill have to be in the factory?

                        A plant is an industrial enterprise for industrial and economic purposes, engaged in the manufacture of certain products or performing part of the technological process for its production (the meaning of the word "Plant" according to the Business Dictionary).
                        I assure you that almost no automobile plant in the world has a landfill on its territory. But there is a landfill.

                        Let's follow your rules. The models listed by me belong to different classes: A, B, C, D, E, F? lol Thank you for your attention.


                        You have listed only two models: BMW 2-Series and Toyota Corolla. These are "C" class cars. Before that, you put Lada on a par with them. The problem is that there are no C-class models in nature. Those. You are comparing cars of different classes to the same. I pointed it out to you.
                        I also note that initially you compared just the brands, without indicating specific models.

                        Lada, BMW 2-series and Toyota Korola - all of them are fighting for one market segment, not SUVs, not representative cars, but family cars. Thank you for the attention.


                        All of them are fighting for different market segments.
                        Lada: budget cars of class "B" (lower price category);
                        Toyota: mass cars of an average price category;
                        BMW: premium segment (high-price cars, so to speak high-end products). Expensive and progressive.
                        All these brands have their own buyers with different incomes, social status, age category and requirements.
                        All these brands are not competitors to each other.

                        I am glad for you that you choose Lada, but my personal choice fell on the BMW 3 Series. Recommend


                        Thanks. I chose Honda. In the RF it is called "hondavod". Also not quite a family car - Accord. A car with a sports bias (like BMW, the so-called "driver car"). And the same problem with the child seat.

                        All the best to you.


                        And I wish you all the best, and health for the little man in the child seat.
                      15. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 29 July 2015 21: 36
                        0
                        KAMAZ remained the most reliable and passable truck. I am ashamed not to know such things ...
                        Now such computer games are being written (and they do it mainly in Russia), which is why the situation control in automatic mode is not a problem.
                        At least no one will release MANPADS as it was with the Australian kangaroos. wassat
              2. Victor-M
                Victor-M 26 July 2015 20: 10
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                1. We are not waving a flag with import substitution. We do not make drama from the purchase of weapons or other products abroad. And we do not shout that "our state-owned companies often keep up with the most innovative companies in other countries."
                2. When you need to do your own.

                For what needs you do, "peaceful" you are ours, you cannot see something for the general consumption of your equipment, except for military equipment, and then licked by other manufacturers and made according to their own technologies, so do not shout, they will immediately be accused of plagiarism. laughing
                1. Professor
                  Professor 26 July 2015 20: 12
                  -2
                  Quote: Victor-M
                  For what needs you do, "peaceful" you are ours, you cannot see something for the general consumption of your equipment, except for military equipment, and then licked by other manufacturers and made according to their own technologies, so do not shout, they will immediately be accused of plagiarism.

                  Duc blame. What is the matter? wink
                2. atalef
                  atalef 26 July 2015 20: 27
                  +3
                  Quote: Victor-M
                  For what needs do you do, "peaceful" you are ours, you cannot see something for the general consumption of your equipment

                  let's start . c ICQ, continue to the flash drive, then Waze, Babylon, Cardiology operation "Tsintur", Telephony via the Internet,
                  Drip irrigation, Israelis have invented world-famous drugs for such serious diseases as Parkinson's disease and multiple sclerosis, The smallest video camera in the world - Medigus, Babysense - a monitor that monitors the baby's breathing, Cherry tomato, Camero - a radar that can see through walls , Epilady - the world's first epilator, The invention of the Israeli company "Given Imaging" - a video capsule for examining the stomach and intestines, The Israeli company NESS has developed a device that attaches to the nerves of the leg on a paralyzed limb and allows people with disabilities to walk freely. In Israel, 75% of children with hearing loss study in regular schools thanks to hearing aids that can recognize sounds of any volume and frequency well, etc.
                  here is not a complete list
                  66 Israeli inventions that changed the world
                  http://www.freie-juedische-meinung.de/ru/izrail-proshloe-nastoyashchee-i-budushc
                  hee / 1259-66-izrailskikh-izobretenij-kotorye-izmenili-mir-1
                  1. Days
                    Days 27 July 2015 03: 02
                    -2
                    Shaw, and dug up the Mediterranean Sea? At the same time, when did the ancient Ukrainians dig Black?

                    Waze
                    I read and looked. I have to tell my friend at Yandex that part of their Yandex.Maps service can be called a great achievement. And Yandex itself can be cut into a couple of hundred of the same "achievements" in such a way. If you write out the achievements of Russia in the same spirit, then you will have to read them for several years later.

                    But it's not that. Nobody is brandishing the flag of import substitution, as Israel remains an independent and supplied country. And the flag cannot be waved, because Israel cannot be independent, simply because it is small.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 27 July 2015 09: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Dagen
                      that part of their Yandex.Maps service can be called a great achievement

                      Waze sold for $ 1.25 billion. How much is the Yandex maps application? That's it. laughing

                      But it's not that. Nobody is brandishing the flag of import substitution, as Israel remains an independent and supplied country. And the flag cannot be waved, because Israel cannot be independent, simply because it is small.

                      I can assume that now you will fill us with facts and figures, Mr. Sovramshi. Or not? wink
                      1. Days
                        Days 27 July 2015 14: 31
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                        It is not sold separately, it is integrated into maps, search, along with dozens of other services. Yandex has the same annual revenue for how much this separate Waze sold. And you don’t need to download anything separately, it’s enough to open a display of the situation on the roads on any device in Yandex maps. Yes, and Google did not buy Waze, but only eliminated a possible competitor. Yandex would have eliminated it, but did not swallow the fourth in the audience (and growing) search engine in the world.

                        Why, we have already discussed this. And we came to the conclusion that Israel collects the main nodes of the Merkava, for example, but not all. Not to mention the fact that these nodes are assembled from imported raw materials. So in Israel, no one is waving the flag of import substitution, because you don’t even wave at all. But in Russia it is a vital necessity. Especially after the occupation of Ukraine.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 27 July 2015 14: 53
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                        Quote: Dagen
                        It is not sold separately, it is integrated into maps, search, along with dozens of other services. Yandex has the same annual revenue for how much this separate Waze sold. And you don’t need to download anything separately, it’s enough to open a display of the situation on the roads on any device in Yandex maps.

                        You apparently have no idea what Wayz is if you are trying to compare the search engine "maps" with the application. Google has a great map app, great navigation. Why does he need one more? wink

                        Quote: Dagen
                        Yes, and Google did not buy Waze, but only eliminated a possible competitor.

                        Why didn’t they close Waze? I ride with him every day. wink


                        Quote: Dagen
                        But in Russia it is a vital necessity. Especially after the occupation of Ukraine.

                        Good luck with the style of a useless and painful process. hi
                      3. Days
                        Days 27 July 2015 17: 37
                        0
                        I have an idea of ​​what Waze is. But you obviously have no idea what Yandex.Traffic is. These road reports about the situation on the roads appeared in Google Maps after the purchase of Weise: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/mapz-640x361.png

                        But what was already in Yandex: http://i.gyazo.com/7630b7dada99c0865ae96757e6dad254.png

                        Google and Yandex were also just a search, and turned into a media corporation. Like mail.ru was just mail. Good morning and welcome to our world where companies regularly buy up potential future competitors.

                        Thanks for the caustic parting words. I would not say that it is useless, because many deliveries have already been canceled, and adjustment is in progress at their plants.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 27 July 2015 19: 40
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                        Quote: Dagen
                        I have a clue what Waze is.

                        It turns out that you do not have. You do not even have a screenshot of it.


                        Quote: Dagen
                        Good morning and welcome to our world where companies regularly buy up potential future competitors.

                        How can a small Israeli company become a competitor to a multi-billion dollar corporation despite the fact that Waze has worse cards? And why didn’t they close it?
                        Tell me what is the value of Waze, or do you want to get it yourself? wink

                        Quote: Dagen
                        Thanks for the caustic parting words. I would not say that it is useless, because many deliveries have already been canceled, and adjustment is in progress at their plants.

                        Of course useless. Even the all-powerful scoop could not without import. request
                      5. Days
                        Days 27 July 2015 21: 58
                        0
                        you are very not observant. In my commentary it is written about improvements in google maps, and from there the screenshot. The value of Waze is now nothing, the same data goes to google maps.

                        And in Yandex, a similar one has already existed for a long time, and this is taking shape together - both traffic information from cameras, and information about speed, incidents and repairs are added by users. Including comments and correspondence about the situation. Data comes both explicitly, by manual addition, and from devices with Yandex mobile applications - traffic jams, navigator, maps, etc. Your tenderness by Wayz is the result of ignorance, patriotism and pride in the company that another company has absorbed.

                        Could not, and no one in the world can. Unless some China, and even then in the future. Remind you mister cheers patriotthat Israel, after the Doomsday War, also faced supply problems in the same way (1973 oil crisis). Israel would wave the flag of import substitution, and Israel has no oil, so dependence on the United States has increased dramatically. And if oil could be collected at their enterprises? You can’t answer, I understand that you are ulcerating completely from scratch, you are simply amused by the situation when Russia is having difficulty importing products that have not been produced in Russia for a long time.
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 27 July 2015 22: 09
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                        Quote: Dagen
                        The value of Waze is now nothing, the same data goes to google maps.

                        lol
                        Then why wasn’t it closed?

                        Quote: Dagen
                        Your tenderness by Wayz is the result of ignorance, patriotism and pride in the company that another company has absorbed.

                        $ 1 is proof of its effectiveness and price (you still don’t understand why), not words, words, words.

                        Quote: Dagen
                        Could not, and no one in the world can.

                        And so you decided to try? Good luck to you. Over the past year, about 200 citizens have left Russia. Not afraid to lose the rest? Rhetorical question.

                        Quote: Dagen
                        Israel would wave the flag of import substitution, and Israel has no oil, so dependence on the United States has increased dramatically.

                        You do not know if there is oil. Recently even gas was found unmeasured, which by the way is very, very bad. It would be better if they didn’t find it, but all sorts of Ways continued to sell, and due to this live.
                      7. Days
                        Days 28 July 2015 06: 58
                        0
                        You are straightforward to hell, comrade professor. But why close it if these data, which you considered super cool and original, are already in Google maps, and control over the development of Vise has been obtained? Already have an audience, google and get money from it.

                        Well, tell me why. Your tac-toe is not proof, it's just the price for which the founders of Vase agreed to make their creation not an independent product. What, do not tell, secretly?))

                        Well, now about import substitution ... fool We decided to try because all Motor Sich and others like it just stopped supplying. Did you seriously think it would be cool to just start waving a flag and refuse to import?

                        I know, we live in the modern world, you’re just used to telling fairy tales. And not only I am aware of the amount of oil produced.
                      8. Professor
                        Professor 28 July 2015 10: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Dagen
                        Well, tell me why. Your tac-toe is not proof, it's just the price for which the founders of Vase agreed to make their creation not an independent product. What, do not tell, secretly?))

                        And I will tell. Why not tell? Wayz as a navigator is very weak, much more preferable than iGo, its maps are weaker than Google maps so they are generally taken from open sources. How they tied a separate and very interesting story. In fact, they were tied up by the drivers themselves, driving along a particular road. Waze paid them all sorts of bonuses or prizes. Google's database is not comparable to Waze. And yet Waze was sold for more than a billion dollars, IMHO they rushed to sell themselves. In fact, they cost a lot more.
                        So what is in Weise that is not in "maps" and "navigators"? Traffic jams? Cameras (and in Israel there is an easier and more reliable way, either two cables in the asphalt reacting to the magnetic field of a car, or two cables on the asphalt reacting to a collision) show the current situation at this intersection, but they have no idea where this or that came from. car and where it is headed. Radio calls? Police reports? This information doesn't cost a lot of money. Wayz provides statistics about the user's habits. This is invaluable information. Where, when, on what road, at what speed, what car the driver is driving. Wayz knows how to plan a route, say next Monday at 7:30 am, taking into account the traffic and weather, since only he has all the statistics. Wayz's clients are not me who uses them to get to work quickly. In fact, I am only supplying him with invaluable information. Wayz's clients are transport companies, government and road services, planning departments. There is more money. They know where I live and where I work and where I rest. Wayz makes money on me too. He sees when and where I refuel the car, when and where I stop to buy my morning coffee, and subtly offers me a cheaper alternative. "Maps" don't do anything like that. They don't know anything about me. Thanks to Wayz, Google now knows about me not only when I'm at the computer, but also when I'm driving.

                        Quote: Dagen
                        Well, now about import substitution ...

                        Again words, words. What car does Rogozin drive? What about Putin? Here is the answer.

                        Quote: Dagen
                        I know, we live in the modern world, you’re just used to telling fairy tales. And not only I am aware of the amount of oil produced.

                        If you are aware, then why write nonsense? In 1973, Sinai was already in Israel’s Hands for 6 years (and there is a sea of ​​oil), and the Shah delivered oil to Israel and through Israel.
                      9. Days
                        Days 28 July 2015 15: 13
                        0
                        If you still read carefully, you will see that I wrote the same thing about Yandex traffic jams - statistics from smartphones, navigators, and any mobile devices with the application. Smartphones of any drivers are used + contracts with companies that have a lot of equipment. There are statistics, and the function of short-term forecasting (for 1 hour), and the function of laying the road taking into account the traffic situation. There is also advertising integrated with a common search profile and user preferences. Explicitly more targeted than Waze. Total: in Yandex, everything is the same, only better. You still did not convince me of the magic of Vise, or rather strengthened the opinion that you had nothing to be proud of, otherwise you would not have been proud of this Wayz.

                        fool Motor Sich did not prohibit the supply of cars, first of all. And secondly, there are several dozen car factories in several dozen cities in Russia. The overwhelming majority of cars are assembled in Russia (exceeded 70% in 2012). Three quarters of them are full-cycle plants, there is almost no "screwdriver" assembly. Source: Customs Union, http://www.tsouz.ru/news/Documents/auto29-03-13.pdf But we waved the flag precisely because of the military-industrial complex. However, Israel is not threatened with an economic blockade, and independence from imports is not threatened either. But you can be wasted, right, professor? winked The main thing is not to say anything about the Israeli auto industry wink

                        In the course, that's why I am writing. The only Abu Rhodes field to deliver only half of Israel’s oil at its peak. Unsuccessful example of Israeli import substitution smile Especially against the backdrop of the United States, to which Israel fell into economic dependence: in the United States, oil consumption exceeded production only in the mid-90s.

                        We will humbly ignore the fact that this is the only field not Israeli at all, but that was captured during the armed expansion. And then the professor will again begin to tell that Israel does not attack anyone smile
                      10. Professor
                        Professor 28 July 2015 15: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Dagen
                        If you still read carefully, you will see that I wrote the same thing about Yandex traffic jams

                        You just can't grasp the main thing, Wayz has information that is not present in Yandex's "maps", but even in Google's "maps", which spent orders of magnitude more than Yandex on this business. Some satellite images are worth something. And information costs a lot. In this case, $ 1,25 billion. Can you predict the best route from point "A" to point "B" on September 13th this year at 18:00? Can you predict where the drivers who left point "B" prefer to refuel? What can you possibly know about the habits of drivers? Can you make a selection by vehicle class? In the native language of the drivers? Etc.

                        Quote: Dagen
                        Motor Sich did not prohibit the supply of cars, first of all. And secondly, in Russia, there are several dozen automobile plants in several dozen cities.

                        ... and therefore, your superiors drive exclusively in bourgeois assembly machines? Cool import substitution. Keep it up.

                        Quote: Dagen
                        However, Israel is not threatened by an economic blockade, and independence from imports is not threatened either.

                        That's right, Israel is not going to "freeze at her feet in spite of her mother" and spend money on obviously hopeless projects.

                        Quote: Dagen
                        In the course, that's why I am writing.

                        Write nonsense. Read about the KACA pipeline.


                        Quote: Dagen
                        We will humbly ignore the fact that this is the only field not Israeli at all, but that was captured during the armed expansion.

                        Was the flag above him an Israeli? So Israeli. Until now, oil from it goes to Israel.

                        Quote: Dagen
                        And then the professor will again begin to tell that Israel does not attack anyone

                        And there is. Israel was never the first to attack, but only defended itself. I understand that many facts are annoying, but they are facts.
                      11. Days
                        Days 28 July 2015 23: 37
                        0
                        I can’t, Yandex can smile And much more, because Yandex statistics are incomparably more and it is multifaceted, as I said, because Yandex collects statistics from all areas of life. But a fellow member of the God-chosen race, of course, cannot believe this. Do not worry, everyone has their own shortcomings.

                        Double three: I don’t know why you came up with the cars of the heads of state, given that no one has declared this. Replaced where necessary. Something you generally slipped to stupid repetitions of your kindergarten notions. However, do not bother to explain, I understand that you cannot recognize if you were wrong smile And you wanted to say "to spite the USA dad" to freeze in your feet? laughing

                        I read the official site, this is a modern pipeline, and we are talking about 1973. Yes, and significantly the predecessor of this company, Afike Neft, served just the pipeline from that only field in the Sinai to Eilat - a source on their official website, http://eapc.com/en/about-us/milestones/. And then a miss, professor laughing

                        Okay, you won’t make porridge with you, I don’t have a goal to prove something to you, it’s just interesting to read how you are trying to dodge in kindergarten, repeating your thoughts over and over again)) But here we must have a measure, so until we meet again open spaces of the forum laughing

                        Can you write something here about Waze that it allows you to extract oil where it is not there, as well as build mercavas from sand laughing I will not destroy your pink world, you will remain in full confidence of the truthfulness of your words wassat hi
                      12. Professor
                        Professor 29 July 2015 08: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Dagen
                        I can’t, Yandex can. And much more, because Yandex statistics are incomparably more and it is multifaceted, as I said, because Yandex collects statistics from all areas of life. But a fellow member of the God-chosen race, of course, cannot believe this. Do not worry, everyone has their own shortcomings.

                        1. Not God's chosen race, but God's chosen people. You really be more precise.
                        2. Yandex (with all due respect to the representatives of the God-chosen people who founded it) operated (traffic jams) in total: 41 cities of Russia, 36 cities of Ukraine, 2 cities of Kazakhstan (Astana and Alma-Ata), 2 cities of Turkey (Istanbul and Ankara), 1 City of Belarus (Minsk). While Wise had over 50 million subscriptions in dozens of countries and hundreds of thousands of cities. And who has more statistics?
                        3. The most interesting is not this. Yandex traffic jams torn one to one from Wise. Why invent something when you can open a patent and just lick it?
                        https://www.google.com/patents/US8612136
                        https://company.yandex.ru/technologies/yaprobki/
                        Only one problem. Russia does not recognize American patents, but in Europe or God forbid in North America, we will now never see Yandex traffic jams.

                        Quote: Dagen
                        Replaced where necessary. Something you generally slipped to stupid repetitions of your kindergarten notions.

                        Replace what you need? Who would doubt that government Mercedes should not be replaced. Good luck with import substitution. wink

                        Quote: Dagen
                        I read the official site, this is a modern pipeline, and we are talking about 1973. Yes, and significantly the predecessor of this company, Afike Neft, served just the pipeline from that only field in the Sinai to Eilat - a source on their official website, http://eapc.com/en/about-us/milestones/. And then a miss, professor

                        You have read poorly. We are talking about the year 1973, and the pipeline from the Indian Ocean to the Atlantic was built back in 1959. Your miss. request

                        1959 - In light of the growing needs of the country, a 16-inch oil pipeline was laid from Eilat to Haifa, with a capacity of 170 cubic meters per hour.

                        Quote: Dagen
                        Okay, you won’t make porridge with you, I don’t have a goal to prove something to you, it’s just interesting to read how you are trying to dodge in kindergarten, repeating your thoughts over and over again)) But here we must have a measure, so until we meet again open spaces of the forum

                        How can you prove anything in terms of your own imagination? laughing
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                      14. atalef
                        atalef 27 July 2015 15: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Dagen
                        Yandex has annual revenue the same as how much this separate Waze sold

                        I do not want to upset you about your dreams - the price of Yandex on the Exchange
                        Yandex is the largest Russian Internet company. In May 2011, the search engine conducted an IPO on the US stock exchange NASDAQ, during which shares were placed there for $ 1,3 billion, and the entire company was valued at $ 8 billion

                        Quote: Dagen
                        Yes, and Google did not buy Waze


                        Waze (as you say, a small application) sold for
                        The search giant Google has agreed to pay $ 1,3 billion for the Waze map service.


                        Quote: Dagen
                        Would eliminate Yandex, but not swallow the fourth in the audience (and growing) search engine in the world

                        Well, due to the fact that Google can’t swallow Yandex, they’re just ridiculous (it just doesn’t need it), just for 2014
                        Google earned
                        Google’s net profit for 2014 increased by 11,7%. The company earned $ 14,44 billion compared
                        , and its cost has reached
                        A market capitalization of $ 397 billion allows Google to become one of the largest companies in the world, second only to Apple and Exxon Mobil
                      15. Days
                        Days 27 July 2015 17: 45
                        +1
                        Do you measure everything with money? But Google has nothing to offer Yandex. You perfectly understand that for this money no one will sell majority blocks of shares that are not on the exchange.

                        Double two: Google did not buy Wayz, they only eliminated a possible competitor in cartographic online services. They could add a situation on the roads themselves, but why do it if you can kill two birds with one stone, while reducing competition for your cards.
              3. pomegranate
                pomegranate 27 July 2015 09: 45
                0
                Robots ??? !!!!
                Which from time to time beat on their own !!! No.
        2. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 26 July 2015 15: 36
          -1
          Quote: MMX
          I will even say more that Daimler-Benz is also retarded and is testing unmanned trucks.

          So that's where the unmanned Kamaz came from :-)
          1. MMX
            MMX 26 July 2015 17: 30
            +3
            Quote: rosarioagro
            Quote: MMX
            I will even say more that Daimler-Benz is also retarded and is testing unmanned trucks.

            So that's where the unmanned Kamaz came from :-)


            Taking into account the fact that 25% of KAMAZ belongs to Daimler, this assumption has a right to exist. In this regard, the question may arise: why Daimler buy 25% of KAMAZ?
            Well, if the technology of unmanned KAMAZ from Daimler, then how would Google really have to be in the role of catching up)))
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 26 July 2015 22: 19
              0
              Interestingly, but especially citizens from Israel admire such a great invention as - EPILATOR, although of course for Israeli reality a thing is extremely necessary, because there are a great many "such" lol
              Once, one of the local Jews enthusiastically said that 20 people came to the funeral of some dead soldier, and this is a lot for Israel, so more than 000 people came to the pederast parade smile
              Really epilator in Israel, a thing extremely necessary.
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 26 July 2015 15: 12
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      it really should not have started with the auto industry.

      And by the way, Professor, you are not very complex about the Israeli auto industry? And some say that without it (the automobile industry) there is nothing to talk about the success of the state. request
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 July 2015 15: 21
        +4
        Quote: Vladimirets
        And by the way, Professor, you are not very complex about the Israeli auto industry? And some say that without it (the automobile industry) there is nothing to talk about the success of the state.

        And I’m also interested in creating the main components, assemblies and a cannon from tanks from tanks, which are you so proud of? Sitting in Israel and discussing the affairs of the Russian automobile industry and industry in general is very interesting.
        But you will answer as usual - we are a small country and there is no point in producing our own. But to criticize ours, it’s only up to you.
        1. jktu66
          jktu66 26 July 2015 16: 33
          +1
          But you will answer as usual - we are a small country and there is no point in producing our own. But to criticize ours, it’s only up to you.
          "small pile, but stinking" is a Hebrew folk proverb laughing
      2. jktu66
        jktu66 26 July 2015 16: 31
        +1
        And by the way, Professor, you are not very complex about the Israeli auto industry? And some say that without it (the automobile industry) there is nothing to talk about the success of the state.
        Why is there a car industry if you can walk on foot from border to border in a day? This is not EAO with the capital Birobidzhan. laughing
    4. BilliBoms09
      BilliBoms09 26 July 2015 15: 43
      +1
      The author wanted to tell about successes, he certainly should not have started with the automobile industry.
      And please tell me what kind of car does Israel produce or "... Jews don't make their cars because they are already in the Promised Land and they have nowhere to go"
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 26 July 2015 16: 56
        +2
        Quote: BilliBoms09
        Please tell me which car Israel produces

        During the existence of the State of Israel, several factories for the production of cars and trucks were created, but these initiatives could not achieve financial results, due to the limited volume of production, so the plants were closed. At the beginning of the XXI century, enterprises specializing in the development and production of automobiles for the security forces and the army (including for export) and the assembly of buses continue to work. In addition, various factories were created to produce components for the automotive industry, such as batteries and tires, rims, various plastic parts.
        Haargaz Transportation is engaged in the design and manufacture of modern city, international and tourist buses. Haargaz Transportation has historically been operating since 1932, headquartered in Tel Aviv, and the main production in southern Israel.
        Storm III SUV manufactured by Automotive Industries
        Merkavim manufactures minibuses, low-floor city buses, tourist buses, armored buses and buses for transporting prisoners. The main Merkavim factory is located in the industrial area of ​​Caesarea.
        Automotive Industries designs and manufactures various types of vehicles for military and commercial purposes, including 4x4 jeeps, command vehicles, trucks, ambulances and buses. The company has been operating since 1966 and is based in Nazareth-Illit.
        Volta (Israel) has a factory for the production of electric batteries for cars in the Tefen industrial area in Western Galilee. The plant produces about 350 thousand batteries per year. The company has been operating since 1934, and the plant was built in 1979.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 26 July 2015 17: 48
          0
          It seems even heard the grinding of teeth of an evil minuser laughing
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 26 July 2015 19: 45
            +1
            Quote: Bayonet
            It seems even heard the grinding of teeth of an evil minuser

            Alexander, I didn’t minus, and my teeth are intact (mostly), but you must admit that the Automotive Industry, in the context of this discussion, is not only and not so much a special transport.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 26 July 2015 20: 46
              +3
              Quote: Vladimirets
              but you must admit, the Automotive Industry, in the context of this discussion, is not only and not so much a special transport.

              I didn’t mean you! Just a man asked a question whether Israel produces cars, I answered and immediately got a minus. Apparently someone decided in this way to harm the automotive industry of Israel? So this is ridiculous!
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 26 July 2015 21: 51
                +1
                Quote: Bayonet
                Apparently someone decided in this way to harm the automotive industry of Israel?

                If I do not see this, then this is not. laughing
      2. Arestant
        Arestant 26 July 2015 17: 07
        0
        Quote: BilliBoms09
        which car produces Israel

        A Susita car with a plastic body was also produced. 25 years ago they could still be found on the roads, now only among lovers of rarities in collections.
    5. jktu66
      jktu66 26 July 2015 16: 26
      0
      Autopilot Google has driven hundreds of thousands of kilometers. (Correction: more than a million miles.) How far has KamAZ "kept up"?
      You don’t know, but already minus. KAMAZ now uses a new rolling technology: 1km to 5 conventional. so if you don’t catch up with Google, it’ll catch up and overtake soon smile
    6. Victor-M
      Victor-M 26 July 2015 20: 05
      0
      Quote: Professor
      Autopilot Google has driven hundreds of thousands of kilometers. (Correction: more than a million miles.) How far has KamAZ "kept up"?

      But in Israel, do they themselves produce anything from the technology, or they buy everything over the hill, something I did not hear the brands of Israeli vehicles? wink
  9. timyr
    timyr 26 July 2015 07: 12
    +4
    An excellent Baikal processor, which is manufactured in Taiwan by tadam. Taiwan controls the United States. That's when in Russia they will begin to produce their processors then we can talk about the rise.
  10. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 26 July 2015 07: 40
    0
    "... The Russian auto industry pleases with its development. There is no need to blush for Russian cars, and they look at the level of the best foreign competitors in a similar price range. AvtoVAZ, another company to which the state is involved through the state corporation Rostec, brought its new product to Yekaterinburg Lada Vesta, which will soon be put into production. The novelty made a good impression on journalists and exhibition guests. "

    Nothing now Renault Nissan?
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 26 July 2015 08: 09
      +2
      Quote: rosarioagro
      Nothing now Renault Nissan?


      Renault-Nissan today, not tomorrow feel ... And the factories REMAIN ...
      1. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 26 July 2015 08: 29
        +3
        Quote: Tanais
        Renault-Nissan today, not tomorrow

        Well, it's hard to say that tomorrow will be "when there is no color differentiation of pants in society, then there is no goal ..." (C)
    2. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 26 July 2015 14: 21
      -3
      Quote: rosarioagro
      "... The Russian auto industry pleases with its development. There is no need to blush for Russian cars, and they look at the level of the best foreign competitors in a similar price range. AvtoVAZ, another company to which the state is involved through the state corporation Rostec, brought its new product to Yekaterinburg Lada Vesta, which will soon be put into production. The novelty made a good impression on journalists and exhibition guests. "

      Nothing now Renault Nissan?
      Nothing, normal - this is a great achievement, very good ... laughing

      Moreover, in Russia they learned how to make cars without bearings ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 July 2015 14: 59
        +3
        I make plain bearings.
      2. jktu66
        jktu66 26 July 2015 16: 38
        0
        Moreover, in Russia they learned how to make cars without bearings ...
        If it doesn't bother you, go to the charts, otherwise your eyes will get very tired of the charts laughing
      3. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 28 July 2015 06: 20
        0
        Quote: Uncle Joe
        Moreover, in Russia they learned how to make cars without bearings ...

        And again, your little picture vividly indicates that the production of bearings has DIRECTLY declined since the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists.
        How you do not try to dance to the tune of the countries of victorious Satanism, how not to lick off, practicing the loot of the State Department, and Russia is recovering after dismemberment in 1991 and the subsequent collapse of the nineties.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 28 July 2015 13: 30
          0
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          And again, your little picture vividly indicates that the production of bearings has DECREASED since the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists
          And again you are wrong, as the picture says about five things:
          1 that the growth of production stopped, and then production fell sharply when the corrupt (never mindless) "communists" of the Andropov-Gorbachev spill (who are communists only by party membership card) came to power;
          2 that production continued to fall when the "godfather" of Vladimir Vladimirovich came to power;
          3 that after the growth of 98-2000, with the advent of Vladimir Vladimirovich, production continued to fall;
          4 that the fall stopped and slightly won back in favor with the advent of Dmitry Anatolyevich to power;
          5 that, with the return of Vladimir Vladimirovich, production again continued to fall.

          and Russia is recovering
          Do not confuse the restoration of Russia with fifteen years of talk about the restoration of Russia.
  11. etrofimov
    etrofimov 26 July 2015 07: 52
    +9
    I have been working in the field of industrial production since the beginning of the 2000s. I don’t know where and what is developing there, I practically observe the continuation of industrial degradation (North-West Russia, St. Petersburg and its suburbs). Even where after cutting dough they acquire new machines, nobody can really master them. Unfortunately, everything is pretty sad ...
    Do not blame the liberal approach, I’m not a liberal even once, it’s just a shame, even what they had at the beginning of 2000 .. ali for the last 15 years, 60-70 percent!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 July 2015 08: 00
      -2
      Quote: etrofimov
      I have been working in the field of industrial production since the beginning of the 2000s.

      It is strange how in the country GDP grew during the fall and degradation of industry.
      Quote: etrofimov
      , even what they had at the beginning of the 2000s .. ali for the past 15 years, 60-70 percent!

      Clear! Everything is clear, Zyuganov's game is "PROSRALIVSEPOLIMERS"
      1. etrofimov
        etrofimov 26 July 2015 08: 07
        +12
        The newfangled service sector grew plus an oil and gas theme. Can GDP only grow at the expense of industrial production?
        In general, the manner of calculating the economies of countries and regions on the basis of monetary values ​​is stupid, manipulative and perverse.
        If someone brought the dynamics of the country's development over the past 30 years in physical terms (such as tons of meat, tons of steel, trucks, pairs of shoes a year ...), then all the leavened patriotism would have disappeared.
        Yes, by the way, I’m not a Communist even once, born in 1978 And Zyuganov- scum selling!
        1. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 26 July 2015 08: 10
          +1
          Quote: etrofimov
          Yes, by the way, I’m not a Communist even once, born in 1978 And Zyuganov- scum selling!

          Curiously, if you write "not a communist even once," then what is so harsh with Uncle Ziu, for a non-communist it is even strange :-)
          1. etrofimov
            etrofimov 26 July 2015 08: 16
            +2
            Yes, I hold leftist views, but I categorically do not associate myself with the CPSU and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, I’m rather closer to the Chinese approach, I’m kind of a Maoist :)
            1. rosarioagro
              rosarioagro 26 July 2015 08: 34
              +1
              Quote: etrofimov
              I’m rather closer to the Chinese approach,

              But there is also a "leading and guiding role of the party", a kind of CPSU, only in parallel the private sector is not particularly limited, on the other hand, they have absolutely no social sphere, which is even less related to the communist idea, in my opinion there is only one name left
            2. anip
              anip 26 July 2015 09: 20
              -1
              Quote: etrofimov
              I’m rather closer to the Chinese approach, Maoist I'm kind :)

              Then you really have to be, rather, a deng-xiao-pinist.
            3. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 26 July 2015 11: 12
              +1
              Quote: etrofimov
              Maoist I'm kind :)

              I do not envy your family ... bully
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 July 2015 09: 10
          -2
          Quote: etrofimov
          The newfangled service sector grew plus an oil and gas theme.

          What does the oil and gas topic have to do with it, it works in individual regions. And logically, if even oil and gas, then due to which there is an increase in industry in other regions, if ....
          Quote: etrofimov
          even what they had at the beginning of the 2000s .. ali for the past 15 years, 60-70 percent!

          Quote: etrofimov
          In general, the manner of calculating the economies of countries and regions on the basis of monetary values ​​is stupid, manipulative and perverse.

          Shaw is true, but how should it be?
          Quote: etrofimov
          If someone brought the dynamics of the country's development over the past 30 years in physical terms (such as tons of meat, tons of steel, trucks, pairs of shoes per year ...)

          Just recently, just last year, Putin at his press conference cited these figures on how much and what, besides shoes. You were absent at that time.
          Quote: etrofimov
          ), then immediately all the leavened patriotism would have vanished.

          If the country's economy is rolling in the ass, then the first who will feel it will be me, stopping by at a nearby store.
          1. etrofimov
            etrofimov 26 July 2015 09: 28
            +3
            Like this:
            1. Install it
              Install it 26 July 2015 09: 47
              +3
              In beer and cigarettes succeeded, and you say recession laughing
              1. jktu66
                jktu66 26 July 2015 16: 44
                0
                In beer and cigarettes succeeded, and you say recession
                And in cars! With a cigarette in his mouth and a can of beer in his hand while driving a new car, BEAUTY! laughing
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 26 July 2015 10: 20
              +3
              Very interesting about alcohol. We release less, and in stores much more than in 90. Question: how many percent of the palette do we drink?
              1. jktu66
                jktu66 26 July 2015 16: 45
                +1
                Question: how many percent of the palette do we drink?
                Do not drink, and the question will disappear by itself.
            3. 17085
              17085 26 July 2015 11: 55
              +3
              Quote: etrofimov
              etrofimov Today, 09:28 ↑
              Like this:

              Cool ...
              The truth is not entirely clear. Are the indicators taken in the RSFSR and the Russian Federation or the entire USSR and the Russian Federation?
            4. Vadim237
              Vadim237 26 July 2015 15: 01
              0
              New statistics are needed already, three and a half years have passed.
            5. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 26 July 2015 21: 55
              0
              Quote: etrofimov
              Like this:

              The most interesting thing is that I can slap such a tablet on my knee for about 15 minutes, where does the infa come from?
          2. etrofimov
            etrofimov 26 July 2015 09: 35
            +4
            I will add the following to the above: since 2012, growth in individual sectors has not exceeded unit percent, industrial production as a whole over the past three years has not increased (although it has ceased to fall).
            Another example:
            1. jktu66
              jktu66 26 July 2015 16: 47
              0
              I will add the following to the above:
              Again the schedule ... sad
      2. Tanais
        Tanais 26 July 2015 08: 12
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Clear! Everything is clear, Zyuganov's game is "PROSRALIVSEPOLIMERS"


        Well ... And such an approach, I think is appropriate. Nevertheless, the presence of any opposition is better than the absence of it ...

        In TOY Ukraine, the registration and participation of the Communist Party of Ukraine in local elections were banned ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 July 2015 08: 23
          +2
          Quote: Tanais
          . Nevertheless, the presence of any opposition is better than the absence thereof.

          Opposition to the authorities does not mean at all that you need to lie recklessly and convince everyone that black is white.
          1. etrofimov
            etrofimov 26 July 2015 08: 27
            +9
            That's what I write about, I somehow trust my eyes more than the talking head on the TV, and my eyes see horror and devastation .....
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 July 2015 09: 11
              +1
              Quote: etrofimov
              and eyes see horror and devastation .....

              Do you write an old man from Ukraine for an hour?
              1. etrofimov
                etrofimov 26 July 2015 09: 36
                +2
                St. Petersburg, Kronstadt :))) admin will not lie!
            2. anip
              anip 26 July 2015 09: 19
              +2
              Quote: etrofimov
              I somehow trust my eyes more than the talking head on the TV, and my eyes see horror and devastation .....

              Similarly.
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      4. atalef
        atalef 26 July 2015 10: 44
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It is strange how in the country GDP grew during the fall and degradation of industry.

        Combine 2 graphs - GDP growth and rising oil prices - questions will disappear
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Clear! Everything is clear, Zyuganov's game is "PROSRALIVSEPOLIMERS

        Well, not all, there are still a lot of hydrocarbons.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 26 July 2015 23: 19
          -1
          Quote: atalef
          Combine 2 graphs - GDP growth and rising oil prices - questions will disappear

          C'mon, the share of oil and gas is large in the structure of exports, but not in the structure of Russia's GDP!
          In addition, do not forget that the scale and unit are important. Everybody measures GDP in dollars and a country like the USA can print any GDP they like.
    2. anip
      anip 26 July 2015 09: 16
      +3
      Quote: etrofimov
      I don’t know where and what is developing there, I practically observe the continuation of industrial degradation (North-West Russia, St. Petersburg and its suburbs).

      Everything is exactly the same in Tomsk. Only under Putin did they finish off a bunch of plants.
      1. killganoff
        killganoff 26 July 2015 11: 35
        +1
        The entire middle lane and the Volga region prosper, only Tatarstan is somehow moving forward. All other areas collapse as in the 90s.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 July 2015 21: 57
          +1
          Quote: killganoff
          All other areas collapse as in the 90s.

          Let's not be for "everyone."
    3. AUL
      AUL 26 July 2015 10: 42
      +3
      By the way, "liberal" is quite a decent word. And many liberals are quite decent people. For some reason, our label "liberast" has become almost abusive. Well, hanging labels is not standing at the machine ...
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 26 July 2015 10: 54
        +2
        By the way, "liberal" is quite a decent word,
        and what you want, most Russophobes act just like liberals. Here is a word to bear a negative message.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 26 July 2015 17: 07
          -2
          Quote: kotvov
          most Russophobes act just like liberals
  12. Gray 43
    Gray 43 26 July 2015 07: 58
    +8
    I am glad for those where the village is developed, unfortunately huge areas are overgrown with forest, and if the population is not fed, then the industry will not explode. "Unmanned" KamAZ is great, but what about the quality of the trucks themselves? We must not only be proud of our achievements, but also raise specialists for them, otherwise we have lived to the point that knowledgeable electricians and plumbers have disappeared, or must we wait until robots are created for this?)))
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 July 2015 08: 17
      +7
      Quote: Gray 43
      "Unmanned" KamAZ is great, but what about the quality of the trucks themselves?

      roads would be built first ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 July 2015 10: 46
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Opposition to the authorities does not mean at all that you need to lie recklessly and convince everyone that black is white.


        Or maybe they will fly, but the birds do not need roads.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 26 July 2015 16: 04
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Or maybe they will fly, but the birds do not need roads.

          we have something to fly, I don’t advise checking ... laughing
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 26 July 2015 17: 09
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        roads would be built first ...

        For that, the drone - it won’t shake the brains and it won’t beat your ass on potholes! smile
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 26 July 2015 11: 47
      +2
      What is good in unmanned Kamaz? Pierced the wheel, who will change? In general, the cargo is unlikely to reach its destination. Soprut on the road.
  13. androv
    androv 26 July 2015 08: 39
    +1
    laughing[
    Quote: fomkin
    Lover of dollars. Do you disagree with rubles? According to Rosstat in April, prom. production fell 4,5%. In general, I advise you to go out and calculate how much you will find the domestic auto industry. And use your fantasies for peaceful purposes and not for taunting naive readers.

    go to almost any "foreign car", today it is assembled in Russia, by the hands of Russian workers, using a fairly large number of components produced in Russia.
    1. etrofimov
      etrofimov 26 July 2015 09: 39
      +4
      Well, yes, only the localization is uneven once, does not apply to engines and gearboxes two (for now, it seems the case is moving ...).
      In the field of the automobile industry there is reason for slight optimism!
    2. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 26 July 2015 15: 41
      +1
      Quote: androv
      using a fairly large number of components manufactured in Russia.

      we take any foreign car made in Russia and wonder where the engine, transmission, electronics, seats, airbags, brake system are made? Body parts in the end?
  14. Fox
    Fox 26 July 2015 08: 45
    +5
    but at VAZ there’s a complete PPC! everything that was, everything was fucked up and cut by modernizers by frogs. For VET hectares are not bought for anyone! They cut down on almost all the machine tools and left screwdrivers. The components are imported from the EU, there is NOTHING new (and the old one is cut) do. not everything is so chocolate in the kingdom of Denmark ...
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 26 July 2015 08: 52
    +6
    Quote: fa2998
    Quote: wk
    Oh my God! what an idiotic article title!

    Both the name and some Russian developments. For example, an unmanned truck. It is better to drive an experienced driver along Russian roads, and also with a partner. How will he go around our potholes, get out of mud and snow, etc. laughing recourse hi

    Minus "hurray-patriots"! When I go into the store and buy a Russian TV, computer, and phone then we'll talk. I repeat "Russian", not assembled from components from abroad, and not assembled in Taiwan. And for an unmanned Kamaz, especially I'm not worried. Traffic policemen and drivers have a "lobby" in the Duma, the project is wrapped up. How to stay without bribes and work is death! laughing fool hi
  16. Leader
    Leader 26 July 2015 09: 02
    +10
    The author Ruslan Ostashko brings joyful nonsense. Author, leave the house and look around.
    If the foreign policy of Russia in recent years still pleases, then the internal content and prospects - alas!
    And projects to draw (on foreign PCs in foreign programs), to hold exhibitions of layouts - here, yes! there are plenty of "effective menagers" ...
    You just hear: "Give us a billion - and in 10 years we will fill up the country with our fast food!"
  17. Valga
    Valga 26 July 2015 09: 10
    +2
    And who will repair these Kamaz trucks? After all, this car as it drives, requires so much attention. She will stand in the middle of the road if there is no locksmith driver there. Throw tomatoes and rotten eggs at me, but the fact is, having worked on domestic machines, I swore and work only on imports.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 July 2015 10: 48
      +2
      Quote: Valga
      ? After all, how much this car drives, it requires so much attention. She will stand in the middle of the road if there is no driver-locksmith.

      Skolkovo is preparing a robot mechanic.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 26 July 2015 16: 09
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        Skolkovo is preparing a robot mechanic.

        Sash, are you aware that only the local population has the right to abuse the country and make fun of it? and others can get "lyuley" for it! hi
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 26 July 2015 17: 17
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Sasha, are you aware that only the local population has the right to scold the country and make fun of it?

          Why not? Here, after all, the whole world is washed bones: "mattress", "paddling", "pasta" and so on and so forth ... Why not hear the other side? smile
  18. Old26
    Old26 26 July 2015 09: 33
    +6
    Quote: Tanais
    Renault-Nissan today, not tomorrow

    So he did not become Renault-Nissan in the dashing 90s, when it was a collapse, and EMNIP in 2010 or 2011. What did they do so that foreigners became a controlling stake in the flagship of the domestic auto industry. Article MINUS. A separate exhibition has been taken and global conclusions are being drawn. Of course, not everything is completely ruined, something works, but such industries as machine tools, the aircraft industry, and the auto industry are by no means in real life on the rise. Only in relations: in 2020 we will release ....

    I recall an old-old joke of the early 70's. There is another party congress. General Secretary of the Central Committee speaks and speaks
    - in 1990, each of us will have a luxury apartment
    - in 1995 each of us will have a luxury car
    - In 2000, please pay attention to this, comrade deputies, each of us will have his own plane

    Voice from the audience: And of us?


    So it is here. Promises of a bright future, an unprecedented flourishing of industry in 20 ... are just blah blah. But the fact that the factories that sometimes worked during the last crisis of 2008-2009 ceased to exist is a fact. There was a plant in Stavropol - "Red Metallist". Produced (was almost the only plant in the country) woodworking machines. 7-8 years ago, life at the plant was still warm. Now on this place wasteland, overgrown with weeds. I am surprised that the construction of another shopping center has not yet begun. In fact, we don't need woodworking machines. We will drive the forest to Finland, in the same place, if something happens, we will buy machines (if they sell).
  19. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 26 July 2015 09: 53
    +2
    Quote: Bayonet
    Many words about nothing. "Tavolga" - will be, "Vesta" - will, In Argentina - will be and so on ... It is interesting to read about what IS and what will be - time will tell.

    To find out WHAT you need to search on the Internet, it is not very difficult.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 26 July 2015 15: 10
      0
      The Russian company "T-Platforms" introduced a one-piece desktop computer "Tavolga", built on the fifth-generation Intel Core processor (Broadwell family).

      The desktop can be equipped with a Core i5-5287U chip (two cores; 2,9 GHz) or Core i3-5010U (two cores; 2,1 GHz). At the same time, a special removable module as part of the system board allows you to easily update the processor.
      I will not comment.
      http://servernews.ru/911629
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 27 July 2015 02: 46
      0
      Quote: zoknyay82
      To find out WHAT you need to search on the Internet, it is not very difficult.

      I do not want to search the Internet, I want to see in the store!
  20. Jager
    Jager 26 July 2015 10: 06
    +10
    The same garbage. The largest Heavy Machine Tool Plant in the USSR was located in Kolomna. He produced unique machines and equipment. Even the Japanese came for products (of course, they set their own self-propelled guns). And now? A legion of small businesses on its territory, ranging from a wholesale base of household chemicals to a warehouse of auto parts.
    As for locomotive engineering, in the field of my work, some progress is being made. But then again, with incredible difficulties and with the use of imported products (domestic either not produced or of terrible quality).
    All these screams about Russia of the rising tribes are just screams and nothing more. A huge achievement will be if we reach at least half the level of industrial production in the USSR.
  21. killganoff
    killganoff 26 July 2015 11: 17
    +1
    I wonder what is in the "meadowsweet" of the domestic cat, domestic? So far, processors and microcircuits are used from Taiwan, China and even the United States.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 July 2015 11: 39
      -3
      In Meadowsweet, all of our production and the processor, too.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 26 July 2015 15: 12
        0
        http://servernews.ru/911629
        The Russian company "T-Platforms" introduced a one-piece desktop computer "Tavolga", built on the fifth-generation Intel Core processor (Broadwell family).

        The desktop can be equipped with a Core i5-5287U chip (two cores; 2,9 GHz) or Core i3-5010U (two cores; 2,1 GHz). At the same time, a special removable module as part of the system board allows you to easily update the processor.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 26 July 2015 19: 55
          0
          As soon as I get out, I will buy this computer, then I will get full conviction from our components or not.
          1. anip
            anip 26 July 2015 20: 12
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            As soon as I get out, I will buy this computer, then I will get full conviction from our components or not.

            I doubt very much that you will buy it for the money for which it will be sold.
            And yes, you can not even doubt that the operating system, hard, video card, motherboard, LCD panel will certainly not be Russian. It is quite possible that even Elbrus will not be there.
        2. anip
          anip 26 July 2015 20: 09
          +1
          Quote: NordUral
          At the same time, a special removable module as part of the system board allows you to easily update the processor.

          This is a great achievement. Very good even.
  22. Hens
    Hens 26 July 2015 11: 34
    +7
    Another cheer .Vova here recently decided to provide draftees with an additional choice of alternative service. She calls for factories. It seems that Vova believes that in 1-1,5 years you can dazzle a class worker who inflamed patriotism and righteous anger towards imperialism and spit on the beggarly salary multiplied by the right ones freaks of the Central Bank and rushes to perform labor exploits in the name of ...
  23. Alpha
    Alpha 26 July 2015 11: 59
    0
    http://stockinfocus.ru/2015/01/15/ekonomicheskie-itogi-pravleniya-vladimira-puti
    na-oproverzhenie-populyarnyx-mifov /
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 26 July 2015 15: 16
      0
      Half-truth is malicious.
  24. 23424636
    23424636 26 July 2015 12: 53
    +8
    interesting and instructive article I want to pay attention to the measures to revive the machine tool industry of the industry first destroyed by Western grants I was surprised that it turns out that Yandex is hosting the factory in Ryazan and everyone is having fun and the DIP-500 machines are destroyed by the Red Proletariat, the Sverdlov factory in St. Petersburg about the Ulyanovsk plant of heavy milling machines and quietly according to the Ivanovo machine-tool industry. It's about giants, and about small factories in general silence. Thank God Yu Korea is beyond sanctions, and it would be bad at all. There is an urgent need to do something to revive the machine-tool and tool industry. P.S. In Sestroretsk was the oldest weapons factory and then the tool factory, thanks to Madame Matvienko it was stupidly destroyed, thanks to the compatriot from Nezhin.
    1. etrofimov
      etrofimov 26 July 2015 16: 07
      +4
      There is NO Russian carbide metal cutting tool. ICTS remained at the technological level of the 60s, although it now bears the proud name of Sandvik. There are also no domestic metal-cutting machines .....
      What is the conversation about?
  25. VladimS
    VladimS 26 July 2015 13: 47
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: satris
    We in the Belgorod region have almost no empty land left ...

    I am sincerely happy for the Belgorod region, and in the Urals the picture in this regard is sad ... in the former fields, one and a half meter pines. plus one, we take mushrooms there ... recourse

    Ural .. the concept is too broad.
    Once upon a time near Monchegorsk and Apatity they tried to plant something, using the square-nested method ...
    It is necessary to grow there and where and something grows, and not try to grow watermelons with melons in Vologda. (as an example)
  26. Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 26 July 2015 14: 34
    +1
    We produce the best weapons in the world, and now it's time to make our civilian products as famous, recognizable and desirable as our weapons. The state is moving in this direction
  27. Sergey p.
    Sergey p. 26 July 2015 14: 49
    -1
    Everyone can spit in the back, but to admit that there are shifts in our country and they are significant, it is necessary to move, to look somewhere, to go somewhere, etc., but he said "everything is bad" and there are no problems ... At work, I have to travel around the country and see what is not visible to those sitting at the back point and now I would gladly spit in their eyes - agricultural works and new equipment is bought there, land is cultivated, not everywhere, but in most places where I was. Industry also works - giants of course are not created, but in the place of the 1st giant, two, three, four enterprises are being created and now the buildings are already breathing again, workers are fussing, equipment is running, the plant is living, and does not look at the world with empty eye sockets ... I don't know what they are doing there, I can see it passing, from the side, but it can be seen that things are going uphill ...
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 26 July 2015 15: 20
      +1
      No sooner said than done! Arrived at Obvodniy, metro station Baltic. Previously, there was a plant for handling equipment, produced unique cranes. Now in its place is a hypermarket and warehouses. Excellent development of the country. You can still ride on Peter, only sad.
      Nevertheless, today we have a holiday - the day of the Russian Navy
  28. NordUral
    NordUral 26 July 2015 15: 04
    0
    I would like to be very happy, but especially nothing. Just by my stupid habit I compare with the Stalinist five-year plans. And it becomes sad. And the soul is so hungry for the holiday! Real, with real breakthroughs and achievements.
  29. Mestny
    Mestny 26 July 2015 15: 22
    -2
    Quote: AUL
    Patriotism is not about shouting "Hurray". Patriotism is about seeing your shortcomings and working to correct them, not hushing them up.

    This is only one side of the coin. Half of the truth, which is successfully used by all kinds of prowlers.
    Patriotism is not only the ability to "see flaws", but also the ability to be proud of achievements. And this ability is perhaps more important.
    Well, if someone suddenly starts yelling at this about "nothing to be proud of," then a foe is revealed to you.
    The simplest, clear and understandable criterion for evaluating and belonging to a character.
  30. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 26 July 2015 15: 30
    0
    Too optimistic. The words of the author, yes, to God’s ears.
  31. Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 26 July 2015 17: 00
    +4
    "The minister said - the minister did.", "A real breakthrough on the Argentine markets was recorded at Innoprom." All this is cheap PR. Our country is now at the bottom of its industrial development, its level corresponds at best to the mid-70s of the last century. By and large, we have UNLOOKED to produce anything, we have a catastrophically low level of labor productivity and organization of production. What we "know how" to do: pumping oil and producing weapons is often extremely ineffective and is provided either by the availability of natural resources or by administrative resources. Yes, we began to slowly get out of this pit and organize new production facilities, often from scratch, but our government, including the Ministry of Industry and Trade, is doing unacceptably little for this. Take at least the interest rates on the loan, which are now about 20% per annum, what kind of production can compete with Western companies that raise money at 5% per annum, or even lower?
  32. afrikanez
    afrikanez 26 July 2015 17: 55
    0
    Russia woke up an industrial giant
    Only that's a pity. that there are so many "suckers" of greedy and public money. They have already sucked so much from Russia and, most importantly, they continue to do this with impunity!
  33. unsinkable
    unsinkable 26 July 2015 19: 56
    0
    Perhaps it was possible to wake up the industrial giant. It would be nice to make him work, t. to. * the giant * is no longer sleeping, but is asleep. There are many talks about import substitution, the results are weak.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 27 July 2015 02: 54
      0
      Quote: unsinkable
      It was possible to wake the industrial giant

      So far, the "giant" yawned and rolled over on its other side!
  34. derik1970
    derik1970 26 July 2015 21: 08
    +3
    VAZ will soon produce cars only using screwdriver technologies, because the production lines of machine parts are being destroyed, workshops are being shut down, equipment is being stolen, specialists are scattering, and those who have a piston standard cannot correctly apply in connection with which marriage is scrapped ... everything falls apart ... in the near future, VAZ will not be able to completely produce cars on its own ... an article is bullshit ... again, they are trying to throw the caps over the enemy ...
  35. demand1
    demand1 26 July 2015 21: 17
    -2
    About 15 years ago, driving along the Don highway, maneuvering between the holes, I observed half-abandoned fields. Now the picture has changed. Spikelet to spikelet. Processing enterprises appeared near the villages. It's not a sin to put an arrow on the track. So gentlemen of the balabolas, wiping their point near the computer and earning hemorrhoids of the brain, I advise, hands in feet and work, for the good of the Motherland, or blame from Russia to Homoeurope such as you are waiting there
  36. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 26 July 2015 21: 23
    +1
    What can the sociologist Manturov understand in titanium alloys? request Well, that's about the way a pig understands oranges. Manturov with his predecessor Khristenko killed almost the entire aviation industry in Russia.
  37. fa2998
    fa2998 26 July 2015 22: 36
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: fa2998
    and some Russian developments. For example, an unmanned truck. It is better to drive an experienced driver along Russian roads, and also with a partner.

    Then immediately, without bothering, let's produce stupid horse-drawn carts. There are no roads anyway. request Why produce something new if there are units that have been tested for centuries. fellow Your skepticism is related to the arguments that the boyars led under Peter. Nafig needs a fleet, production, etc., if you can just trade hemp and not blow your mustache.

    You, dear NEXUS, do not record me in the boyar! I am also a supporter of everything modern and progressive. But if we started such a thing, let's first
    1) build modern cars and trucks.
    2) build GOOD roads across the country. (And not around Moscow)
    And then back to this issue. hi
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 July 2015 03: 42
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      You dear NEXUS do not record me in the boyar!

      Well, what were you waiting for, if you write this. It is unclear how you generally live in such a bad country, and even raise children. Apparently swearing and stepping on the throat of your song. request
      Quote: fa2998
      1) build modern cars and trucks.

      There would be less such advisers who sit and cry out everything and everyone in the country, but there’s absolutely no time to look at yourself. Guilty finding a business is not tricky, only this will hardly change anything in your personal family well-being.
      Quote: fa2998
      2) build GOOD roads across the country. (And not around Moscow)

      And also kindergartens and schools, hospitals and the family home. Give money for education, medicine, social programs, for the same defense, ... unlike the US, we, dear, we can spend how much we earned, and not how much we printed.
      Everyone like you is the complex of the Soviet Union. Sit and chat about how good it was in the Union and how bad it is in Russia now. So the power of the USSR worked 15! Republics, not just one. There was cooperation and power and money. And sitting and chatting about the fact that Lada Vesta is expensive or made it from imported parts can be long and hard, but I do not see anything wrong with that.
  38. gameover_65
    gameover_65 27 July 2015 05: 03
    -1
    AvtoVAZ and KAMAZ cannot be interfered here.
    Renault-Nissan owns AvtoVAZ, and KAMAZ switches to a practically screwdriver assembly of Mercedes Actros 1840 (KAMAZ 5490)
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 05: 12
      0
      The whole industry of China is a screwdriver assembly of all sorts of things. And all this will be sold with the words Made in China around the world.
    2. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 27 July 2015 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: gameover_65
      AvtoVAZ owns Renault Nissan

      Our car industry is the object of an information war against Russia.
      Information war, the main weapon of which is bullying, ridicule, misinformation.
      The statement "AvtoVAZ owns Renault-Nissan" is misinformation, because AvtoVAZ is a full-fledged member of the alliance and has a share in it, not less than Renault's share and not less than Nissan's share.
      The purpose of such misinformation is simple - as always to humiliate us and our industry.
      After all, anti-Russian Internet fighters will never tell you the truth that Datsun mi-DO is OUR Russian development. But they will surely lie that the Russians supposedly do not know how to make cars.
      1. gameover_65
        gameover_65 27 July 2015 18: 47
        0
        PPCgrandson of Perun, do not disgrace grandfather)))
        1. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 27 July 2015 20: 22
          +1
          If he turned to the person, then apparently there is nothing to object to the case.
          And it’s hard to object and deny the obvious - the massive bullying of our industry.
          1. gameover_65
            gameover_65 28 July 2015 04: 55
            0
            apparently there is nothing to object to the case.

            Well, actually in the case.
            The statement "AvtoVAZ owns Renault-Nissan" is misinformation, because AvtoVAZ is a full-fledged member of the alliance and has a share in it, not less than Renault's share and not less than Nissan's share.


            Renault-Nissan is a controlling shareholder of AvtoVAZ through the Dutch Alliance Rostec Auto BV, a joint venture with Troika Dialog Investments ltd, which owns a 74,51% stake in the car factory. Renault-Nissan owns 67,13% of the capital in the joint venture, the share of Rostec - 32,87%.

            But AvtoVAZ shares Renault Nissan does not, so that he has no share there. Before flogging nonsense, you need at least a little interest in the issue under discussion. Google to the rescue. )))
      2. Metlik
        Metlik 27 July 2015 20: 39
        0
        Quote: Perun's grandson
        AvtoVAZ is a full member of the alliance and has in it a share not less than Renault and not less than Nissan.


        Or maybe they sold us and Opel at the same time?
        1. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 27 July 2015 22: 24
          +1
          Quote: Metlik
          Or maybe they sold us and Opel at the same time?

          Volvo wasn’t sold either, but the share of Russian Technologies in the Renault-Nissan_AvtoVAZ alliance is not getting any smaller.
          What are you generally talking about Opel? Only honestly!
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 27 July 2015 22: 43
            0
            Quote: Perun's grandson
            Volvo wasn’t sold either, but the share of Russian Technologies in the Renault-Nissan_AvtoVAZ alliance is not getting any smaller.
            What are you generally talking about Opel? Only honestly!


            About Opel, I remembered to cool hotheads such as the author of the article. Do not say gop until you jumped. The economy is not a place for public relations of politicians.
            1. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 28 July 2015 00: 37
              +1
              What does Opel and their owner from the United States have to do with the topic of the conversation, "AvtoVAZ is supposedly foreign" and "Vesta will not be produced, although the equipment has already been installed and tested"?
              What does the disadvantages put to me have to do with the "hot head" of the author of the article and the PR of some politicians?
              Something I can’t trace the cause-and-effect relationship, if we do not take into account the subjective factor (emotions and negative "public opinion" formed by propaganda).
              Why is the author’s optimism so annoying your pessimism and disbelief in your own strength? Is this the result of a disinformation-economic war against our country?
              1. Metlik
                Metlik 28 July 2015 01: 01
                0
                The statement "AvtoVAZ owns Renault-Nissan" is misinformation, because AvtoVAZ is a full-fledged member of the alliance and has a share in it, not less than Renault's share and not less than Nissan's share.

                AvtoVAZ owns shares of Renault or Nissan? Give me a link. Otherwise, your statement is 100% disinformation.
                1. grandson of Perun
                  grandson of Perun 28 July 2015 08: 42
                  +1
                  The information that a third of the shares of the Renault-Nissan-AvtoVAZ alliance belongs to the Russian Technologies is pure truth. And you yourself know this very well. Moreover, they themselves wrote about it above.
                  Therefore, your desire to humiliate our industry by any means (like the mention of Opel or the distortion of "Renault shares owned by AvtoVAZ) leads to sad thoughts about your motives.
  39. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 27 July 2015 09: 19
    +5
    That's where the bitch want to see where it is booming industry. For 24 years, in my system-forming company, not a single new facility has depreciation of equipment and fixed assets of 80-90%, my town in our region occupied the 4th place in terms of industrial production, as in the nineties all were buried and none of the 49 plants were a town of 100000 people) not only does not work a unique factory with an excellent team and management that survived the horrors of the nineties, also grunted this year. Yes, all the same, it’s probably that’s the 4th place that we keep because there is practically nothing left of the entire industrial potential of the entire region. I probably don’t get lucky, we probably have such a depression, but in the neighboring regions the same thing happens, so where is the industrial growth boom, where do those lucky people who have lived to see this live and see it all
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  41. AUL
    AUL 27 July 2015 21: 23
    0
    Quote: KaPToC
    Quote: AUL
    Patriotism is to see one’s own shortcomings and work on correcting them, rather than hiding them.

    For some reason I’m sure that you are not working on the correction of the shortcomings you indicated!

    I would like to know on the basis of what you were able to draw such conclusions? Do you know anything about me except my name and place of residence? Well, tentatively, age. Oh, got it! You are a psychic, and found out everything about me through the astral or information field! You can be envied!
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  43. jungler
    jungler 15 August 2015 22: 26
    0
    Lot. Very comments. I do not share the opinion of the Author. In order to grow cucumbers - you need ALREADY to sow seedlings in February. In order to raise the industry - you need to educate skilled workers who are proud of their profession. In the Russian Federation, this system is destroyed (FZU, PTU). The future in the Kremlin is seen by managers, psychologists and accountants .... (all of them are not creators but derivatives from consumers.)
  44. asbaev
    asbaev 27 August 2015 17: 01
    0
    There is no prophet in his own country.
  45. erseer
    erseer 30 August 2015 23: 03
    0
    at the moment we are still crawling and crawling to the industrial giant.
    but it pleases that there are urges and prerequisites.
    and low oil is only a plus. and the lower the more persistent urges will be.
  46. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 2 October 2015 11: 44
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    This is a good article, only its relevance should have been in the early 1990s or at least in the early 2000s, but now we are stupidly lagging behind. Like a lousy doggie for 25 years they rubbed their backs against rotten Western democracy and the economy, what the authorities were doing, stared blankly at the ass of the West and followed the path of the Gaidar-Chubais-Kudrin precepts and that we have sanctions, a collapse of the ruble, price increases, unemployment, a completely failed internal policy, in particular, the economy, personnel, ideology, 23 million. RUSSIAN CITIZENS are below the poverty line, and this despite the fact that the country has about 40% of the world's natural resources, a huge human potential, almost half of the world's black soil. Stalin gave from 15 to 30 %% of GDP growth per year, when the country was practically uneducated in 1917, only 5% of the population had education, this is to the one who glorifies the tsarist past, the people were called "BADLOM" and we all need to remember this. The authorities and the government did not create comfortable conditions for conducting economic life for either business or just people. KOMMUNISM have been created to a group of sycophants and sycophants, just corrupt officials, moreover, many of these people work in the highest authorities. I am not a fan of the liberal economy, it completely discredited itself, like the government itself, its entire economic policy. All your actions or inaction affect the entire population of the country, and not this wretched handful. So let the GDP think and decide what to do with its environment and the government.