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Self-propelled artillery 2C34 "Khost"

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Since the early seventies, the Soviet and Russian armies have been equipped with self-propelled artillery 2C1 “Gvozdika”. This self-propelled gun with 2А31 X-gun caliber 122 mm is designed for the destruction of manpower, equipment and enemy objects, as well as complements other self-propelled guns of other types. For two decades, several thousand such combat vehicles were built, most of which still remain in service. However, by the beginning of the two thousandth years, the military came to the conclusion that it was necessary to replace the “Carnation”. This is how the Khosta 2C34 project appeared.

The decision to develop a new project was made in 2003 year. The military ordered the creation of a deep modernization of the existing ACS 2C1. Initially, the new project had the designation 2C1M, associated with its main task - to update the existing self-propelled gun. However, further in the new project such number of innovations was introduced, that its index was changed to 2С34. Also the project was designated by the code "Khost". The Perm enterprise Motovilikha Plants became the lead developer of the new project. In addition, the Petrel Research Institute was involved in the work.

According to the available data, the original technical task implied the creation of a new modification of the self-propelled 2-1 “Carnation” using the new weapons and fire control equipment. For this reason, it was decided to rework only the combat compartment and the machine tower. The tracked chassis was proposed to be left unchanged, which further affected the fate of the project. Thus, self-propelled artillery gun (SAO) 2-34 "Khosta" is a new fighting compartment with a gun mounted on the chassis of the base machine.


SAO 2C34 "Khost". Photo of Wikimedia Commons


The CAO 2X34 chassis has retained the previous layout, traditional for Russian self-propelled guns of recent decades. In front of the case, with a shift to the starboard side, is the engine compartment. To the left of it is the office of management with the workplace of the driver. The middle and aft of the hull are given under the fighting compartment. On the roof of the case there is a shoulder strap for installing the tower. The body of the combat vehicle is welded from rolled armor plates up to 15 mm thick, providing protection from small arms bullets and shell fragments.

The basis of the power plant chassis "Hosts" is a diesel engine YMZ-238H horsepower 300. The engine is connected by a mechanical double-flow transmission with planetary friction turning mechanisms. There are six forward gears and one rear. As part of the chassis there are seven road wheels with a torsion bar suspension on each side. Several rollers are additionally equipped with hydraulic shock absorbers. Due to the front location of the engine, the drive wheels are located in the forward part of the sides, the guides are in the stern. There are no special supporting rollers, as the upper branch of the track lies on the support rollers.

The body length of the 2C34 self-propelled gun is 7,57 m, the width is 2,85 m. The total height of the vehicle over the turret roof is 2,83 m. The combat weight is 16 t. per ton, which allows it to reach speed (on the highway) to 18,75 km / h. On rough terrain, the maximum speed is twice as low. Due to the sealed hull, the CJSC "Khosta" can cross the water obstacles by swimming. In this case, the movement is carried out by throwing the tracks. Water speed does not exceed 60-4 km / h. When driving on a highway, the fuel range reaches 4,5 km.

The middle and the aft part of the self-propelled gun hull is occupied by the fighting compartment with a rotating turret. It is located weapons, ammunition and fire control equipment. In the central part of the frontal sheet of the tower, a window is provided for the gun and its mask. The installation mechanisms of the gun allow you to fire with an elevation angle from -2 ° to + 80 °. Horizontal guidance - circular. On the cheekbones of the tower there are smoke grenade launchers. On the roof there is a turret for a machine gun designed for self-defense.

To improve the performance of the new combat vehicle, it was decided to replace the main gun. Instead of an 122-mm rifled howitzer 2A31, the 2A80-1 caliber 120 mm is now used. This gun combines the basic functions of guns, howitzers and large-caliber mortars, which, as expected, should have led to a significant increase in combat performance. A characteristic feature of the new instrument is the muzzle brake of a recognizable form. In addition, the gun is equipped with special anti-recoil devices that allow firing in a wide range of elevation angles, both direct fire and "mortar". Inside the fighting compartment is placed ammunition from 40 shots of various types.

The gun for the Khosta machine is an upgraded version of the 2А80 cannon used as part of the Vienna Automobile 2C31. Due to this, two self-propelled guns can use the same ammunition of various types. Self-propelled gun 2С34 can fire high-explosive, thermobaric, incendiary, lighting, cluster, etc. shells. At the same time, however, unlike the "Vienna", "Khost" can not use armor-piercing cumulative projectile 3BBK14.


SAO 2C34 "Khost". Photo Bastion-karpenko.ru


The 2А80-1 can fire direct fire or from closed positions. Through the use of different firing modes, effective destruction of targets is achieved at ranges up to 13 km, depending on the type of projectile and some other parameters. Accuracy of hit depends on ammunition. Thus, the range of used shots includes several guided projectiles, which can significantly reduce the consumption of ammunition to defeat a specified target.

In addition to the new weapons, upgraded fire control equipment is used to enhance the shooting performance. It is known that there are two variants of the fire control system (LMS). A full version of the so-called. automatic guidance and fire control system (ASUNO) and its simplified version. According to reports, a full-fledged version of the OMS is intended for command vehicles, which must process the available information and target it to other self-propelled gun batteries. The latter, in this case, can use a simplified version of the OMS, which is able to execute commands and solve tasks without complicated calculations, etc. operations.

The operation of the Khost 2C34 "Khosta" is carried out by a crew of four. The driver is located in front of the armored hull, to the left of the engine. The commander, gunner and loader are in the tower. At the disposal of the latter there is a complete set of equipment for controlling the systems responsible for firing at the chosen targets.

The development of the project 2С34 was completed by the year 2008. Shortly thereafter, Motovilikha Plants, together with some related enterprises, began to manufacture new equipment. After some time, new combat vehicles came to the test, and then were transferred to the troops to check during operation. The troop tests were carried out by a self-propelled artillery battery of the 1 th motorized rifle battalion of the 21 th separate motorized rifle brigade (Orenburg Region).

The high hopes were pinned on the new self-propelled gun. It was expected that the equipment of the spent chassis with a new combat compartment with a universal weapon would significantly increase the combat potential of artillery units. However, in the course of military tests, some serious shortcomings of the resulting machine were revealed. The main ones were associated with the used chassis. In the autumn of 2012, it became known that the design approach with the extensive use of ready-made units had an effect on the real characteristics of the Khosta AO.

According to the domestic press, the new self-propelled gun during the tests showed insufficient stability and rate of fire. So, due to the use of the old chassis, developed without taking into account the features of the new gun, the Khosta open joint stock company swayed with great elevation angles during the shooting, which affected the accuracy of shooting. Similar problems were mainly observed when firing in the “mortar” mode, since the return in this case is higher and has its own specificity of distribution among the aggregates of the machine.

The lack of stability of the chassis also affected the rate of fire. Because of the need to make new amendments and the difficulties with loading the gun in the rocking machine during the tests, it was possible to fire at a rate of no more than 3-4 rounds per minute. For comparison, the 120-2 “Sledge” towed by the 12-mm mortar, due to a more accurate distribution of the recoil momentum, can produce up to 10-12 shots per minute.

Also in November 2012, domestic media reported that by the time News Motovilikhinskiye Zavody enterprise did not receive any official documents about any problems during the tests about the problems of the Khosta Jsc. At the same time, however, representatives of the plant noted that the self-propelled gun was developed in strict accordance with the assignment of the customer.



It was reported that due to the identified problems, the Ministry of Defense does not plan to purchase new 2S34 self-propelled guns. As a solution to this problem, the development of a new version of the machine based on a different chassis was called, providing the required stability during firing. However, as far as is known, the Hosta variant on the new chassis has not yet been created.

By now, according to various sources, at least 50 2-34 “Khost” self-propelled artillery guns have been built. This technique was transferred to the various divisions of the ground forces, where it has operated to date. From time to time, these combat vehicles take part in various exercises. For example, in March of this year, a camp for artillery was held in the Southern Military District. During this event, the Prudboy general range was fired using various weapons, including Khost.

At the moment, the troops have several dozen new self-propelled guns such as 2C34 "Khost". Information on further purchases of such equipment is not yet available. Thus, the gradual replacement of existing ACS “Gvozdika”, planned in the first half of the last decade, is still being postponed indefinitely. Nevertheless, even in such a situation, ground forces were able to obtain new equipment with sufficiently high characteristics, although not fully satisfactory to the military. It is possible that in the near future the problem with an insufficiently stable chassis will be solved, which will make it possible to begin the construction and supply of high-grade self-propelled guns that fully meet the requirements.


On the materials of the sites:
http://bastion-karpenko.ru/
http://vestnik-rm.ru/
http://rus-guns.com/
http://armoredgun.org/
http://izvestia.ru/
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  1. loft79
    loft79 16 July 2015 05: 40
    +10
    "So, due to the use of the old chassis, which was developed without taking into account the characteristics of the new gun, the Hosta SJSC swayed during firing at high elevation angles, which affected the accuracy of shooting. Such problems were mainly observed when firing in the mortar mode, since the return in this case is higher and has its own specificity of distribution among the machine units. "

    Arrived) And during the development did not take into account that they were installing a more powerful weapon? And the calculations, mat. modeling? The feeling that they were doing on "ride". Now you need to try to fasten the shock absorbers in the area of ​​the front and back of the rollers, as on the same Vienna or BMP. It's worth it? Question. Moreover, there is Vienna.
    1. Raven
      Raven 16 July 2015 05: 48
      +4
      I think the question is not in the power of the gun but in the distribution of the load on the hull ... it’s a matter of fact that they adopted and put in as many as five dozen machines to understand this ... however, such experience will also be easier to take into account features when designing a new chassis
      1. insafufa
        insafufa 16 July 2015 08: 22
        +12
        Quote: loft79
        "So, due to the use of the old chassis, which was developed without taking into account the characteristics of the new gun, the Hosta SJSC swayed during firing at high elevation angles, which affected the accuracy of shooting. Such problems were mainly observed when firing in the mortar mode, since the return in this case is higher and has its own specificity of distribution among the machine units. "

        Arrived) And during the development did not take into account that they were installing a more powerful weapon? And the calculations, mat. modeling? The feeling that they were doing on "ride". Now you need to try to fasten the shock absorbers in the area of ​​the front and back of the rollers, as on the same Vienna or BMP. It's worth it? Question. Moreover, there is Vienna.

        Quote: Raven
        I think the question is not in the power of the gun but in the distribution of the load on the hull ... it’s a matter of fact that they adopted and put in as many as five dozen machines to understand this ... however, such experience will also be easier to take into account features when designing a new chassis


        Eh guys, I’ll tell you that the recoil energy of a clove gun is even higher than that of the host, but the clove has an effective muzzle brake and a recoil with a knurl is much more efficient, so it turned out that it just didn’t work to put the gun without serious revision
        And even if in Nona, when designing, they could use a standard chassis from
        BMD with a hydraulic suspension without changes, then with 2C1 it didn’t work out. She suspected a torsion bar when I did.
        1. Raven
          Raven 16 July 2015 09: 00
          +3
          either TK was initially ruined, or the developers a little profile ...
        2. loft79
          loft79 16 July 2015 13: 29
          +1
          About "more powerful" I probably put it a little wrong) I meant recoil and a weapon in combination with diesel fuel and a recoil device.
        3. Bobik012
          Bobik012 1 September 2017 20: 36
          0
          And who will do this chassis? As far as I understand, MTLB Kharkov tractor sculpted. Or are you planning to redo the old cloves?
      2. oldkap22
        oldkap22 16 July 2015 11: 19
        0
        As I understand it, they didn’t take them into service ... trial operation is underway ... (to eliminate swaying, you can use a dozer blade coulter. For example. But it is better to design on a new base on a new BMP (for example))
    2. qwert
      qwert 16 July 2015 10: 16
      +2
      Or maybe you just needed to update the ammunition caliber 122 mm.? Add shells of improved ballistics, as well as equipped with a gas generator to increase the range, develop cluster and guided. It is possible to modify the guns to increase the rate of fire.
      In general, Carnation has its advantages and its own niche. First of all, on mobility.
    3. goose
      goose 16 July 2015 12: 59
      0
      And what did not suit the old chassis from the SU-100P? Mobility and perceived loads are higher than those from MTLB, and there is no aluminum. The mass is quite airmobile, though the clearance does not change.
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%A3-100%D0%9F
    4. cosmos111
      cosmos111 16 July 2015 14: 11
      +3
      Self-propelled artillery 2C34 "Khost"


      infa ... ancient, ALREADY FROM 2012 YEAR !!!

      NEWS 13 November 2012, 12: 31
      The "host" did not fit the military because of the old tracked platform, which is no longer produced.
      According to the results of two-year military tests, the Ministry of Defense refused to purchase the 2С34 Khosta, a new universal self-propelled artillery mount, capable of firing not only conventional 120-millimeter artillery shells, but also mines ...
      We made the “host” by order of the Ministry of Defense in iron accordance with the terms of reference that were issued to us. This was a technical task. If we are given another technical task, we will certainly fulfill it in accordance with the requirements and during the discussion we will choose everything optimally, - said "Izvestia" the head of the department of external relations of OJSC "Motovilikhinsky plants" Svetlana Mishlanova ....

      Now the Ministry of Defense is waiting for the chassis to appear, which can withstand the striking power of the Hosta guns. It is expected that the gun can be installed on the promising tracked platform "Kurganets" and a new wheeled - "Boomerang", which are being developed for land equipment. However, a representative of the defense industry, familiar with the design of the platforms, argues that the mortar howitzer will not fit on them.

      Source: http://izvestia.ru/news/539438#ixzz3g3GWsc6R

      1. MilitaryKAZ
        MilitaryKAZ 20 July 2015 09: 40
        0
        These SPGs do not want modular armor, and a new Hodovka, then this howitzer will be a Terminator!
    5. generatorbred
      generatorbred 26 September 2015 14: 31
      +1
      the article was not read carefully! "CJSC “Hosta” swayed when shooting with high elevation angles"swinging appeared when firing in mortar mode! That is, with the barrel raised high. The carnation has no such mode, therefore there was no problem. The carnation has a limited barrel elevation angle.
  2. svp67
    svp67 16 July 2015 05: 45
    +4
    The machine is certainly interesting, but alas, it seems to be "late".
    The basic chassis - MTLB, was produced at the Kharkov Tractor (KhTZ) and in Bulgaria, which, accordingly, Russia is not happy with now, which means it needs to be changed. 122-mm caliber, but they decided to abandon it and switch to 152-mm, which means that the release of shells will be stopped, of course, the stocks of previously produced shells are huge, but they are finite. There are 120 mm mines, but their firing range does not even reach 8 km. So, this new self-propelled gun, in this form will soon become obsolete.
  3. apro
    apro 16 July 2015 06: 05
    -17
    For me, the 122 caliber is somewhat redundant against the infantry, 105 is enough; less load; more than bq; you can use a wheeled chassis.
    1. bulat
      bulat 16 July 2015 07: 18
      +6
      Do we have a caliber of 105 mm?
      1. gjv
        gjv 16 July 2015 09: 08
        +2
        Quote: bulat
        Do we have a caliber of 105 mm?

        Yes, 105 mm is not our caliber. Our ammunition is 100 and 107 mm.
        100 mm:
        BR-412 - armor-piercing tracing pointed-headed
        BR-412B - armor-piercing tracer blunt-headed
        BR-412D - armor-piercing tracer long-range?
        D-412 - smoke
        O-412 - fragmentation
        OF-412 - high-explosive fragmentation
        OF-412ZH - high-explosive fragmentation with a ceramic-ceramic leading belt?
        O-415 - fragmentation
        O-415R - fragmentation with a radio fuse
        107 mm:
        B-420 - armor-piercing
        Z-420 - incendiary
        OF-420 - high-explosive fragmentation
        OF-420U - high-explosive fragmentation with UGT-2
        OH-420 - fragmentation-chemical
        F-420U - high-explosive with UGT-2
        HS-420 - chemical with resistant OV
        D-422U - smoke with UGT-2
        F-422K - high explosive
        F-422L - high explosive
        F-422M - high explosive
        XH-422 - chemical with unstable OV
        HS-422 - chemical with resistant OV
        Sh-422 - shrapnel
        Sh-422T - shrapnel
        B-425 - armor-piercing
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        2. gjv
          gjv 16 July 2015 09: 42
          0
          100 mm:
          UBR-412
          UBR-412B
          UBR-412D
          UD-412
          UD-412U
          UO-412
          UOF-412
          UOF-412ZH
          UOF-412U
          UOF-412UZH
          UO-415
          UO-415R
          107 mm:
          WB-423 = B-420 + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VD-423U = D-422U + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VZ-423 = З-420 + Ж-423 or ЖН-423
          VOF-423 = OF-420 + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VOF-423U = OF-420U + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VOKH-423 = ОХ-420 + Ж-423 or ЖН-423
          VF-423D = F-420U + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VF-423K = F-422K + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VF-423L = F-422L + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VF-423M = F-422M + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VHN-423U = ХН-422 + Ж-423 or ЖН-423
          BHC-423 = XC-420 + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VHS-423U = HS-422 + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VSh-423 = Ш-422 + Ж-423 or ЖН-423
          VSh-423T = Sh-422T + Zh-423 or ZhN-423
          VB-425 - B-420 or B-425 + Zh-425 or ZhN-425
          VZ-425 - Z-420 + Zh-425 or ZhN-425
          VOF-425S - OF-420 + Zh-425 or ZhN-425
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 16 July 2015 07: 19
      +5
      Quote: apro
      For me the 122 caliber is somewhat redundant against the infantry enough 105

      The question is quite controversial, but in the presence of "Vena" and "Nona" in the troops and the Airborne Forces, in fact, the question arises of the need for a not entirely successful sample in the form of "Hosta" (direct balm to the soul, although it meant not my small homeland laughing ) This is the host, only the color of the sheet can be different.
      1. igordok
        igordok 16 July 2015 07: 34
        +2
        Quote: inkass_98
        This is the host, only the color of the sheet can be different.

        Another representative of the "flower" series.
    3. Engineer
      Engineer 16 July 2015 11: 57
      0
      What is the beauty of a wheeled chassis with our roads? What is better than a 105mm shell compared to a more powerful 122mm high-explosive fragmentation shell? Can you prove that more 105mm rounds for ammunition will cover the same area of ​​destruction as 122mm? Read the literature of how such a caliber appeared, draw knowledge and share it, not fiction.
      1. apro
        apro 16 July 2015 12: 16
        -6
        Normal roads on an 8-wheeled chassis are quite acceptable and also maneuverable, and the Germans proved enough to prove what the Germans did in the war and modern means of guidance and reconnaissance increase the strength of the armature. The amount of transportable bk is always better when more than less, for the most protected purposes it’s always better 150-152-155 caliber, The hundredth caliber based on new technologies will be more effective,
    4. pv1005
      pv1005 16 July 2015 12: 41
      +10
      For me, the 122 caliber is somewhat redundant against the infantry, 105 is enough; less load; more than bq; you can use a wheeled chassis.

      And for me it’s 105 mm too much, it’s necessary 5,45 well, as a last resort, 7,62. Then, there is no load at all, BC can be loaded with so many shovels with a shovel, you can use a Wilisped. wassat
    5. cosmos111
      cosmos111 16 July 2015 15: 35
      0
      Quote: apro
      122 caliber somewhat redundant against infantry enough 105 less load more bk you can use a wheeled chassis.


      in NATO: on the ASCOD-PIZARRO / ULAN GSh: light tank LT105, chassis for air defense systems (AAMC) and ZSU (AAGS), ATGMC ATGMC, 81-mm or 120-mm self-propelled mortar AMC120, BREM (ARRV), BRM (ALCL) , control and communication machine (ACCC), mobile ANP (AAOP) and ambulance (AAMB) + on the ASCOD 2 self-propelled gun DONAR from KMW / GDELS AGM turret with a gun 155-mm ...

      ASCOD light tank LT105
  4. bulat
    bulat 16 July 2015 07: 18
    0
    Matalygi need to develop production somewhere in Russia.
    1. ICT
      ICT 16 July 2015 07: 37
      +5
      Quote: bulat
      Matalygi need to develop production somewhere in Russia.





      http://www.muromteplovoz.ru/product/mil.php
  5. bulat
    bulat 16 July 2015 07: 24
    +1
    Kill me. I don’t understand. There was no buildup with a 122 mm gun (Carnation). With a 120 mm gun, a buildup appeared.
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 16 July 2015 07: 50
      +2
      Quote: bulat
      Kill me. I don’t understand. There was no buildup with a 122 mm gun (Carnation). With a 120 mm gun, a buildup appeared.

      Perhaps the "rollback-rollback" system was not completed request
      1. insafufa
        insafufa 16 July 2015 08: 29
        0
        Quote: Tanais
        Quote: bulat
        Kill me. I don’t understand. There was no buildup with a 122 mm gun (Carnation). With a 120 mm gun, a buildup appeared.

        Perhaps the "rollback-rollback" system was not completed request

        The chassis is different and the recuperator is different and the muzzle brake is more effective and the rate of fire was 6 shots a minute
    2. Malkor
      Malkor 16 July 2015 09: 55
      +1
      The elevation angles of the guns are different, the load along the body is more easily perceived by the chassis than the vertical - then the torsion bars begin to spring up - buildup. Well, the 120 gun is different and it has a different recoil device - smaller, less effective, again so that the gun barrel can be raised 80 degrees. Vienna entered the airborne forces and liked the military, they wanted to stir up such things in the land - but the implementation let us down, it was necessary to take the chassis from the BMP-3 then.
    3. Mooh
      Mooh 17 July 2015 12: 29
      -3
      Quote: bulat
      Kill me. I don’t understand. There was no buildup with a 122 mm gun (Carnation). With a 120 mm gun, a buildup appeared.

      It’s just that Carnations were designed in the USSR by engineers and military men, and managers and economists in the Russian Federation Host.
    4. generatorbred
      generatorbred 26 September 2015 14: 25
      0
      the article was not read carefully! "CJSC “Hosta” swayed when shooting with high elevation angles"swinging appeared when firing in mortar mode! That is, with the barrel raised high. The carnation has no such mode, therefore there was no problem. The carnation has a limited barrel elevation angle.
  6. Gray 43
    Gray 43 16 July 2015 08: 14
    -1
    All the same, what is correct: "Host" or "Host"? Different sources have different names. It became interesting - did you put in a more powerful gun and the suspension stopped working? Wonders! The military equipment always had a "modernization stock", so to speak, but in this case the chassis apparently worked at its limit, I hope that the Armata chassis has a stock, otherwise all talk about installing a more powerful weapon there will turn out to be a bluff.
  7. bmv04636
    bmv04636 16 July 2015 09: 47
    +1
    if there is Vienna, then why is the Host needed?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 July 2015 10: 24
      +3
      "Hosta" is a castrated "Vienna". Accordingly, it is much cheaper.
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  8. Lopatov
    Lopatov 16 July 2015 10: 21
    +1
    Nevertheless, by the beginning of the 2s, the military concluded that it was necessary to replace the Carnation. So the project 34CXNUMX "Host" appeared.

    And they were replaced. Only not at all on "Hosts", but on 152-mm guns. And "Hosts" are battalion artillery. And they replace 120mm mortars
  9. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 16 July 2015 10: 55
    0
    Experimenters Yeti. So there’s nothing then brains ... b, there is good "Vienna" and it should be put on the stream. And then they want something cheaper but it turns out as always
  10. chenia
    chenia 16 July 2015 11: 01
    -1
    Quote: Spade
    Accordingly, it is much cheaper.


    Essential and important point.
    All SMEs (permanent readiness) should have only self-propelled artillery (specialized units do not count). Towed for a mobilization army (at storage bases).

    And if so (it’s necessary to equip all the battalions) you will have to use the old boxes (although I personally like the MTLB base). Fill with new content and eliminate (I think it will turn out) flaws).
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 July 2015 11: 49
      +4
      If they created analogs of the Kazakh "Aybatov", it would be just as cheap, but much more effective. But this, according to the recent statement of G. Zakamenykh, is "a distant prospect"

      Old boxes are not much cheaper. After all, they have to be repaired. At the same time, such "savings" goes sideways, the total cost of the life cycle is higher. That is, by saving now, they create higher costs in the future.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 16 July 2015 12: 16
        0
        Quote: Spade
        If they created analogs of the Kazakh "Aybatov", it would be just as cheap, but much more effective. But this, according to the recent statement of G. Zakamenykh, is "a distant prospect"

        at the arms exhibition "Army-2015", not its analogue ???
        The premiere from JSC CRI Burevestnik at the Army-2015 military-technical forum in the Kubinka near Moscow was the option of installing the 82-mm mortar 2B24 on the chassis of the all-terrain vehicle RM 500 6x4. For mountain and airborne assault brigades of the Ground Forces, Airborne Forces and the Navy, the wearable mortar 2B24 was created, surpassing foreign analogues. It is designed to defeat enemy manpower, fire weapons, as well as unarmored equipment located openly and located in uncovered field-type shelters, including on reverse slopes of heights. The defeat is ensured at ranges up to 6 km. Until that moment, the 82-mm mortar was carried exclusively in a disassembled state with the distribution of individual parts and ammunition between the five calculation numbers. Placing it on an all-terrain vehicle can dramatically increase the mobility of the mortar complex by increasing the speed of movement up to 80 km / h, reducing the deployment time of the mortar at the firing position, by transporting it in assembled condition, increasing the ammunition load up to 10 times and solving problems with reduced personnel to 2 people calculation.
        Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/2b24/ OVT “WEAPONS OF FATHERLANDS” AVKarpenko

        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 16 July 2015 13: 11
          +4
          This is not an analogue, it is a military-technical onanism.
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 16 July 2015 13: 32
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            it is a military-technical onanism.


            thank you hi SHORT BUT CLEAR lol

            Quote: cosmos111
            Old boxes are not much cheaper. After all, they have to be repaired. At the same time, such "savings" goes sideways, the total cost of the life cycle is higher.


            about it yesterday, on a branch: http: //topwar.ru/78830-boevaya-mashina-ognevoy-podderzhki-i-soprovozh
            deniy
            a-toros.html disassembled everything in detail ...

            MT-LB / u, modernization is needed. And it’s better to create a new main gun for weapons installation ...
            hoped for "Kurganets", but is unlikely to fit ... only armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles, maybe even KShM ...

            on the chassis of the BMP-1,2, "Host" to do ... if they wanted to save money.
            ..

            The Cuban conversion of the BMP-1 into a self-propelled artillery mount with the 122-mm D-30 gun.
            1. cosmos111
              cosmos111 16 July 2015 15: 42
              +1
              MODULAR GSH GM-123 ...

              SAU: Acacia, Geocind ... "Tulip" mortar, minelayer, air defense missile system, "Circle", objects (105,123,303,318,)

              SAU "Geocind"
              1. MilitaryKAZ
                MilitaryKAZ 20 July 2015 09: 36
                0
                The Americans and the NATO doshikhpor bloc have not made automatic loading for their GAUBITS, and they are expensive, I don’t understand why the Americans raise the price of weapons.
  11. bmv04636
    bmv04636 16 July 2015 12: 23
    +3
    like the chassis of the Carnation has nowhere to go, let's cheat something or something?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 July 2015 13: 11
      +2
      Exactly. Moreover, we are cheaper.
    2. cosmos111
      cosmos111 16 July 2015 15: 04
      +1
      Quote: bmv04636
      like the chassis from Carnation has nowhere to go, let's cheat something

      GSH, front-mounted MTO, only GM -123,124- 1949 of the year of production-EVERYTHING !!!

      so they mount WHAT is "at hand" from long-term storage warehouses ...

      I repeat: NECESSARY, MULTI-PURPOSE General Staff, UNDER VARIOUS TYPES OF WEAPONS !!! including art .. installations .. and 152 mm self-propelled guns "Coalition" WITH FRONT MTO POSITION...

      South Korean GS-Samsung Techwin 155-mm self-propelled gun K9 ..
      28 / 06 / 2015 ... First South Korean chassis for Krab self-propelled guns sent to Poland

      120 chassis manufactured by Samsung Techwin famous 155-mm / 52 self-propelled howitzers K9 Thunder.
      Complete chassis (with armored hulls and engine and engine compartments with German MTU-881 KA 500 diesel engines with 1000 horsepower) K9 are designed for the manufacture of HSW serial 155-mm / 52 Krab self-propelled howitzers for the Polish army on their basis
      Source: http: //alternathistory.org.ua/pervyi-v-mire-stelst-obt-pl-o1-co




      ncept-po
      lsha

      1. Jager
        Jager 24 July 2015 01: 47
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        Have the Poles profiled their own tank factory? If you started to buy only a base for self-propelled guns? And where? Well in Korea!
  12. cosmos111
    cosmos111 16 July 2015 15: 25
    +2
    off topic, BUT very cool laughing ...

    stealth tank in Libya what good ...
    author: http: //alternathistory.org.ua/pervyi-v-mire-stelst-obt-pl-o1-concept-

    polsh
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    1. MilitaryKAZ
      MilitaryKAZ 20 July 2015 09: 38
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      This is not a tank but some kind of NOSETS Hide, if cattle or any animal is visible from the Thermal imager, then this is just a waste of the Skin)))))
  13. chenia
    chenia 16 July 2015 15: 48
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    If they created analogs of the Kazakh "Aybatov", it would be just as cheap, but much more effective. But this, according to the recent statement of G. Zakamenykh, is "a distant prospect"


    Tactics however. Range. To be able to use battalion artillery from the start of the division at almost all stages of the offensive, and support the first echelon (second-tier battalion artillery) in defense.
  14. 31rus
    31rus 16 July 2015 20: 50
    +1
    I remember there was information on the "Host", it was adopted by the Russian Ministry of Defense according to Serdyukov, but with the proviso, as temporary, with the subsequent replacement of promising models and mortars and self-propelled guns
  15. 31rus
    31rus 16 July 2015 21: 01
    +2
    Actually, I agree that it is necessary for "Carnation", to introduce new shells and a fire control system, there are a lot of shells for them of the old model, until they create a replacement, and this is like one of the unsuccessful attempts
    1. kplayer
      kplayer 16 July 2015 21: 55
      +1
      And if there are a lot of shells in storage, why new for an outdated art system, when for a long time there are 152 mm self-propelled guns of the 2C19 series? What other art systems will we reanimate? Saving part of the 122-mm self-propelled guns (thanks to buoyancy) and the D-30 BG by upgrading the gun control system - no questions asked.
      And this is not an attempt at all, the calibers are different (120 and 122 mm).
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  16. kplayer
    kplayer 16 July 2015 21: 23
    +1
    ... during the tests it was possible to fire at a rate of no more than 3-4 rounds per minute. For comparison, the towed 120 mm 2C12 Sani mortar, due to a more correct distribution of the recoil momentum, is capable of producing up to 10-12 rounds per minute.

    A low combat rate of fire, in fact, this killed the "Host", and for the battalion firepower (mortar) it is required to lay mines more accurately with the support of its rifle companies.
    It is difficult to judge, but the Vienna and Nona SAOs have a slightly different line-up and weight distribution, and there is a reason why they differ in the length of the barrels of the 2A80 and 2A51 guns with a combat weight of 19 and 8-9 tons, respectively, here is a 16-ton long-barreled "Host "and the muzzle brake didn't help.
    So why not the "Vienna" with a more advanced MSA, ammo of 70 rounds (versus 40), and a rate of fire of 8-10 rounds / min.?
    Quote: bulat
    Kill me. I don’t understand. There was no buildup with a 122 mm gun (Carnation). With a 120 mm gun, a buildup appeared.

    Similar problems were mainly observed when shooting in the “mortar” mode, since the recoil in this case is higher and has its own specifics of distribution over the machine’s units.

    Attention is focused precisely on shooting with high angles of elevation of the barrel, along a hinged path, and on a different direction of mechanical loads on the elements of the chassis. In 2C1, shooting is often along a flat trajectory, and most importantly, only at 4-5 rounds / min, i.e. stability (buildup) self-propelled guns arranged.
  17. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 16 July 2015 23: 52
    +1
    I saw this on the train platform a month ago. Only the muzzle brake, it seems to me, was bigger. May continue to experience ...

    There was something else on the 8-wheeled chassis ...
  18. cdrt
    cdrt 29 March 2016 22: 46
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    mda. sorry, but it was an opportunity not to throw Carnations, but it did not work out ...