One tank will be less

One tank will be less



As they say in the old joke, in which only a fraction of the joke, so many Mosin rifles are still kept in the army warehouses, which is enough for both the Third and Fourth World Wars. But these are only rifles, they, first of all, have become outdated long ago, and secondly, they are in storage.

The situation was no less interesting with tanks. Last year, in some parts, mainly in Transbaikalia, it was possible to find the real T-55. Also met and more "new" T-62. But last year, the Ministry of Defense decided that the army no longer needed such “mammoths” and that they could be sent to metallurgical plants.

Recall, in different sources called the number of old tanks in a thousand pieces of T-62 and about 1200 T-55. All of them were in storage. Now, all these armored vehicles are completely removed from service, retired and sent to the smelter. Those that are lucky, go to museums or become monuments.

After the T-55 and T-62 went on their last journey, the T-64 became the oldest tank in our army. This machine was created at the beginning of the 60-x at the Kharkov machine-building plant. T-64 became the first domestic tank, the crew of which did not have in its composition loader: its functions were performed by a specially created mechanism. The armament consisted of 115-2 21-mm cannon and one PKT machine gun.

However, the tank had a number of flaws that could not be eliminated without a major design review. From 63 year in the Kharkov design bureau of machine building began work on the modernization of the tank. In 1969, the new tank, the T-64, was ready. Its main difference from its predecessor - 125-mm smoothbore gun 2А46-1. The tank also received a diesel engine 5TDF, designed for several types of fuel, a new fire control system, an updated automatic loader and a number of other systems. An anti-aircraft machine gun returned to the turret, which received a remote control system.
It is on the basis of the T-64A that almost all of the following modifications of the tank were created. In 1976, there was another major update: T-64B appeared.
The serial production of the T-64 family of tanks was stopped already in 1987, but they were not in a hurry to remove them from service. Despite the newer tanks, the T-72 and the recently appeared T-80, the 64 was still in use. When, due to the renewal of the tank fleet, there was no need to use these tanks for their intended purpose, the T-64 became an educational machine. They began to train drivers for new tanks: the management of old and new cars is almost the same, and once again nobody wanted to risk the latter. Rumor has it, in some parts of the "surplus" T-64 was such that repaired only poorly damaged tanks. If during the training the tank received strong "injuries", then it was simply written off and transplanted by the tank student apprentices to another car.



Now the year is 2011, and the T-64 has been considered not an old but a very old tank. The epithet “old” has now moved to T-72, and they have squeezed out all the juice from 64. Izvestia, citing a source in the Ministry of Defense, writes that the storage of T-64 will be terminated and they will leave after T-55 and T-62. Izvestia calls the figure of a thousand tanks that will be disposed of. At the same time, last year’s edition of The Military Balance’s book states that there are more than four thousand T-64 in the Russian army. Where this difference in numbers is from is unknown, although a source in the Ministry of Defense may simply not have all the information.

Official confirmation of this information has not yet been, but at least it looks plausible and logical in light of recent decisions. Before the start of the current reform, in 2008, the armored forces were armed (including storage) with almost two dozen modifications of six types of tanks: from T-55 to T-90. If T-64 retires, then tankers will only have three types: T-72, T-80 and T-90. In addition, the average age of armored vehicles will fall, because now almost 20% of our tanks are older than 20. Another plus: savings on removal from storage of the equipment, which is unlikely when it will still be used. Yes, and a smaller number of used types of equipment reduces overhead.

It is clear, sooner or later T-64 should have left. But in this case, the place of the oldest domestic tank will take the T-72. In theory, his time will come. But while it is not worth waiting. In an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda, Russian Defense Minister A. Serdyukov said that the existing T-72 will soon be reequipped in accordance with the requirements of the time. This upgrade should bring the characteristics of the T-72 as close as possible to the parameters of the T-90. Updating, says Serdyukov, is expensive - about 38 million rubles for each car, but these costs are worth it. In any case, the upgraded T-72 will be able to perform their tasks before the tank goes to the troops on the basis of the Armata platform.
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  1. Phoenixl
    Phoenixl 14 October 2011 09: 00 New
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    T64, T72, T80 - tanks analogs
    And in the Russian army they refuse it mainly due to the fact that engine production remains in Ukraine
    1. Bogatir
      Bogatir 14 October 2011 14: 41 New
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      Quote: Phoenixl
      due to the fact that engine production remained in Ukraine

      Only the Russian Federation remains to sit on, although the replica with the EU is correct
    2. Owl
      Owl 14 October 2011 14: 57 New
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      These analogues even had caterpillar tracks, different loading mechanisms and automatic loaders, engines, and so on. Outwardly a little similar, that's for sure.
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 15 October 2011 23: 14 New
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        As a result, quite different cars, but if you read the history of the creation of the t-72, then everything is seen in a different light.
      2. KASKAD
        KASKAD 16 October 2011 02: 16 New
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        Well, this is the development of T64 to T72 and T80.
    3. Siberian
      Siberian 14 October 2011 20: 54 New
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      On all three types of tanks mentioned, the engines are fundamentally different.
      T-64. The engine - 5TDF, power - 700 hp, was produced in Kharkov.
      T-72. Engine - B-46 (780 hp), since 1984 - B-84 (840 hp), produced in Chelyabinsk.
      T-80 Engine - GTD-1000, since 1986 - GTD-1250, produced in Leningrad.
      T-64 and all its modifications were made completely at the factory number 115 named after Malyshev in Kharkov.
      1. Splin
        Splin 14 October 2011 21: 11 New
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        Engines of the “B” series are essentially just a modernization of the Kharkov pre-war engine. It’s like GAZon hearts for trucks. GAZ-53, was produced until the mid-80s, and there was a modernized American unit already in 1928!
        1. KASKAD
          KASKAD 16 October 2011 02: 19 New
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          Innovation around! And on the engine go also the stigma with the inscription "RUSNANO has no analogues!"
    4. korotkov_rostov
      korotkov_rostov 2 November 2011 16: 39 New
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      First, replace with new ones, and then write off the old ones, effective damn managers!
  2. Vadivak 14 October 2011 09: 05 New
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    Equipment and weapons 2/2004
    Tanks of the T-64 type had to participate in real combat only once - during the Transnistrian conflict in 1992. So, in May of that year, local residents of Transnistria captured 10 T-64BVs from the tank company of the 14th Army returning from the training ground. The armored group created from these vehicles and the armored vehicles captured was thrown to suppress the Moldavian artillery shelling the city of Dubossary. During this battle, one of the tanks was destroyed - the car caught fire, detonated the ammunition. This is the first recorded case of the combat use of T-64 tanks.
    It should be noted that the defenders of Transnistria, having seized the tanks at their disposal, practically did not know the “sixty-four”, and the containers of dynamic protection did not have plates and explosives. The tanks captured from the Russian army for the most part were absolutely unprepared for combat use, most of them lacked machine guns, and communications did not work. Nevertheless, the Transnistrians went to battle in them - the situation forced.
    On June 20, 1992, eight T-64BV tanks of the PMR defenders stormed the Moldovan positions in the Bender region. Of the eight tanks, two vehicles were destroyed by MT-12 Rapier anti-tank gun fire. With all this, both cars were struck in the lateral projection - one armor-piercing-ammunition projectile in the side, the second cumulative in the tower. Both tanks burned down.
    Event Participant Comment
    one Rapier (under the command of the brave imbecile regiment) stood along the axis of the bridge. The rest - strictly along the flanks, on the crest of the embankment. What is interesting - I can be wrong (!) But the tank was hit by an RPG, the RPG was not hit, but DONE.
    There was still an interesting moment - in one of the burning tanks, the mechanic BARBARED (simply closing the hatches tightly). They put out the tank. And they decided to extract this moron. Cut by promtogen for almost 8 hours. Removed unconscious (which is good, otherwise I would have gotten by the snout). They took him to Chisinau, to the pre-trial detention center, from where he was safely released in two or three weeks.



    At the end of July, peacekeeping forces from the 14th Russian army entered Transnistria. When these forces were introduced, one T-64BV was destroyed by a shot from SPG-9. The tank detonated ammunition. In the area of ​​the bridge across the Dniester, another tank from the 14th Army was fired from an MT-12 Rapier anti-tank gun with an armor-piercing projectile. The shell fell into the protective glass of the TNK-3 commander’s surveillance device and tore off the commander’s hatch, the tank commander was killed, and the tank retained its combat effectiveness.
    1. Phoenixl
      Phoenixl 14 October 2011 09: 09 New
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      Here is more material on this topic:
      http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/98345.html
      1. Splin
        Splin 14 October 2011 13: 06 New
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        Nonsense! He spoke with those who participated in the battles for Pridnestrovie. Of all the captured T-64, no one had shells. Only machine guns. And there were no 125 mm shells! Moreover, no one could manage them. Stock officers only reached the 62nd model. There were several people 72-y model knew, but this is a completely different tank.
        1. evgenm55 15 October 2011 14: 38 New
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          About the “battles for Transnistria” —there is no reason to talk, no one with anyone. But the control of the T-64 and T-72 is almost the only one, and the T-80 is the same, only there are 4 forward, 1-back. And they differ and AZ. Do you know what it is?
          1. Splin
            Splin 15 October 2011 18: 16 New
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            In our school in the 92nd, I’ll set aside an entire barracks for refugees, so I know by hearsay. And what does the tank itself have to do with it ?. Everything else is different.
  3. sirToad
    sirToad 14 October 2011 09: 14 New
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    everything once gets old.
  4. Banshee 14 October 2011 09: 17 New
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    Maybe you should not cut? Would modernize, sold to Africa ...
    somehow under the autogen is not very ...
    1. Splin
      Splin 14 October 2011 13: 11 New
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      Blacks need easier tanks, not 64-ka. Ukraine in South Africa at the exhibition has already exhibited it, but only Africa is interested in the fact that they already know 72 matches. Moreover, the opposition engine is not suitable for them. They want the B series.
      1. Bogatir
        Bogatir 14 October 2011 14: 43 New
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        Showed, then not in vain.
    2. Bogatir
      Bogatir 14 October 2011 14: 42 New
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      Cut-cut ...
    3. ZEBRASH
      ZEBRASH 15 October 2011 16: 08 New
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      I agree, it’s better to sell to someone fellow
  5. sirToad
    sirToad 14 October 2011 09: 22 New
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    Yes to sell - it is possible. Duc, after all, they love humanitarian aid more and more. What is it, the Somali figure was called that he changed his orientation on the go? Sound like Mohammed Siad Barre?
    1. Banshee 14 October 2011 09: 29 New
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      No no no!!!
      Humanitarian aid is not tanks ... In general, humanitarian aid was in the USSR. And we have a difficult time, hard, so only for the money. But you can pay on the cheap + shipping costs. But 100% prepayment, or else they will steal the same off the coast of Somalia.
      1. sirToad
        sirToad 14 October 2011 10: 06 New
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        Do you think they will agree? although, in principle, if it were possible to make barter to Angola or Namibia - like we will give you the mines or a modest, kimberlite pipe. But again - the question is: who is this nada?
        1. Glenn witcher 14 October 2011 12: 47 New
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          And who does not need it. Immediately dissatisfied with jambs trample.
        2. Bogatir
          Bogatir 14 October 2011 14: 52 New
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          Quote: sirToad
          Do you think they will agree? although, in principle, if it were possible to make barter to Angola or Namibia - like we will give you the mines or a modest, kimberlite pipe. But again - the question is: who is this nada?

          - But who will buy them from you without the after-sales and pre-sales pick-up?
      2. Bogatir
        Bogatir 14 October 2011 14: 51 New
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        Quote: Banshee
        And our times are difficult, difficult, therefore only for money.

        - Yes Yes...
        Quote: Banshee
        But 100% prepayment

        - Chavez has already run to the Chinese ... wink
        1. Banshee 14 October 2011 15: 30 New
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          Yes, let him run. One thing, reusable technology, it is more expensive, and the Chinese one-time - cheaper. There is a choice. And then, Chavez is not in Africa.
          1. Bogatir
            Bogatir 14 October 2011 15: 41 New
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            In Africa, the T-64, especially from the Russian Federation - no one will buy.
            Quote: Banshee
            Yes let it run

            - I also say that, the Russian Federation has only a few large markets - without which the defense industry of the Russian Federation will bend and Ukraine’s main competitor will disappear. But as practice shows, Russia is even ready to donate equipment, so that the idea of ​​the "strength of the Russian weapon" smoldered in the soul of a Muscovite. So it’s easier with Chavez — otherwise he’ll run away, he already has one foot there. smile
    2. Bogatir
      Bogatir 14 October 2011 14: 50 New
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      Quote: sirToad
      Yes to sell - it is possible. Duc, after all, they love humanitarian aid more and more.

      - Well done. Venezuela and Algeria are all over the humanitarian aid.
  6. zombies
    zombies 14 October 2011 13: 18 New
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    To send equipment to scrap metal in the current state of the Russian military-industrial complex, stupidity and wrecking, it would be much more efficient to remake the tanks in heavy infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, weapons, self-propelled mortars, etc ..... How do Jews
    Yes, they will not be perfect but it is better than nothing, and better than cutting for scrap ....
    1. Denis 14 October 2011 14: 11 New
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      or firemen do, the woods burn and burn
      1. kesa1111
        kesa1111 15 October 2011 19: 43 New
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        Fire bulldozers are definitely needed, especially with remote control. Heavy BMPs will come in handy soon (God forbid of course).
  7. Bogatir
    Bogatir 14 October 2011 14: 27 New
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    I especially liked and pleased this:
    "Despite the newer tanks - T-72"
    wink

    Oh oh oh:
    "Now 2011 is in the yard, and the T-64 was considered not an old, but a very old tank. The epithet" old "has now passed to the T-72."
    - This is probably said by those who, apart from the T-72, have nothing modern left. I laugh and read on.

    "The Ministry of Defense, writes that the storage of T-64 will be terminated"
    - Naturally, it's a Ukrainian tank with a Ukrainian spare part. And also on Wikipedia it is written that in Russia, only because of jealousy, the most modern tank in the arsenal of the Russian Federation - the T-80UD, was withdrawn from service.
    Murzilochniki you. smile
    1. Splin
      Splin 14 October 2011 15: 10 New
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      UD was not removed because of jealousy. Once they had a great fight because of the Pakistani contract and since then Mosvka has a “grab” of conscience not to ask Kharkov for help. And MTOs have practically exhausted their resources. From the combat category, we moved to the combat training, and some to the military ...
      1. Bogatir
        Bogatir 14 October 2011 15: 27 New
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        Quote: Splin
        UD was not removed because of jealousy.

        - Yes, but he is the most important object of jealousy in the Russian Federation.
        Quote: Splin
        Once a great shit because of the Pakistani contract

        - Stop, you are not Russian, because the Ugrians have not seen a single log in their eyes.
        Quote: Splin
        Moscow "grab" conscience does not ask Kharkov for help

        - Moscow and conscience are mutually exclusive things in tanks, lies, wars, fascism, occupation, history, etc. ... So - I do not believe it. Otherwise, why would they spin around the 6TD? And if they remember the Pakistani contract, it’s good, let them remember the frigates of India, the Bison of Greece ... And now they look and see that we are not evil, we just have a good genetic Slovenian memory.
        Quote: Splin
        From the combat category, we moved to the combat training, and some to the military ...

        - Still standing. Relax.
        1. Vidgit
          Vidgit 16 October 2011 13: 12 New
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          Kotobood and here you breed srach?
  8. Splin
    Splin 14 October 2011 16: 10 New
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    Bogatir,
    Odessa Mama
  9. Splin
    Splin 14 October 2011 16: 14 New
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    Quote: Bogatir
    Stop, you are not Russian, because the Ugrians have not seen a single log in their eyes.

    Odessa is my mother, and in Odessa there’s no nationality, just like letters.
  10. Evil Tatar
    Evil Tatar 14 October 2011 16: 35 New
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    Damn, Devil and here was noted for its poisonous saliva.
    Skunk or Ferret? Choose, scound yourself a new NICK!
  11. Volkhov
    Volkhov 14 October 2011 16: 40 New
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    Why do they offer Russian tanks to send to Africa? The government is very busy with this, their Kuril Islands are in the Sahara. Russian tanks are needed at home, in personal collections. The cost of T-55 metal is approximately 300 tr. - Lada or motorcycle. We must preserve our history, and keep the cylinders pumped up.
  12. Nick 14 October 2011 22: 35 New
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    But really sorry for the scrap. They have long been talking about creating a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, here is the platform. As well as a platform for air defense systems MLRS and so on.
  13. vlad61642
    vlad61642 14 October 2011 23: 09 New
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    64, it is high time to remove from the VS. By the way, there are not so many of them in long-term storage as it is written. All of them were in operation and almost never put them on the HH, but they were written off to the KR, from where they did not return. And, as already written, why we don’t have a tank without spare parts that are in Ukraine. But the most important reason why they should be removed is the design imperfection, especially the engine, air cleaner and chassis. Someone here offered them to Africa, as they often overheated in our middle lane, and you are in Africa. Yes, and dust wear is very common, it is again with us, and not in Africa n desert. And all this applies to 80UD. Yes: those who can manage 55,62 do not need to comprehend much and 64.
  14. SIA
    SIA 15 October 2011 05: 06 New
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    Serdyukov put in his "gelding", under the press, and then for re-melting. It would be more useless.
    1. evgenm55 15 October 2011 14: 54 New
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      The only sensible proposal is to push there all the managers who he dragged from furniture and the tax office and from which they no longer push through the corridors of the Moscow Region and General Staff. And another, where can I get new ones? T-55 and T-62 are still tanks, but where are the others? Who knows how many T-90 troops there are? 2 battalions. Uralvagonzavod is standing and there are already no personnel, dogs are running around the workshops. Personally, in September at the exhibition in Tagil I talked with the factory workers, I heard something that I don’t even want to cry. And here, as well as throughout the whole country, the chatter is continuous and lies "experts and analysts" Wake up, Motherland ....
  15. Tolia
    Tolia 15 October 2011 21: 51 New
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    The T-64 is a more advanced tank than the T-72 ... It was never delivered abroad and was in service with the ZGV, the T-72 was created as a mobilization tank and sold to all popuars wherever possible. The author Kirill Ryabov is clearly not in the subject and believes that if the numeral in the model of the tank below means the tank is older and more primitive ...
    1. kesa1111
      kesa1111 16 October 2011 00: 50 New
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      Anatoly look: And our tanks are fast, Armor of Russia.
      1. Phoenixl
        Phoenixl 16 October 2011 10: 36 New
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        Russian armor propaganda film
  16. Comrade
    Comrade 16 October 2011 00: 22 New
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    Yes, fire tanks, heavy infantry fighting vehicles - that’s what you need to do ... cars would still serve .... But it needs money. It’s much easier for MO managers to hand over everything to metal and poke the millions received in their pockets .....

    If there is no money for modernization and alteration - then at least they didn’t touch .... in case of war - even the T-55 was dug in the tower - there is already a full-fledged firing point ...
  17. Cadet
    Cadet 18 October 2011 09: 09 New
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    Still, it seems quite reasonable to sell on the cheap, we don’t have spare parts, and whoever buys, let them take apart part of those bought for parts) Cheap and cheerful
  18. vilenich
    vilenich 22 October 2011 08: 33 New
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    Siberian
    "T-64 and all its modifications were made completely at the factory number 115 named after Malyshev in Kharkov."

    These are two completely different plants, do not confuse them!

    Tolia,

    Absolutely fair statement!
    The author of the article is really not quite in the subject.
    In terms of combat qualities, the T-72 never reached the parameters of the T-64.
    Its advantages with respect to the T-64 are the reliability of the chassis and engine, and that’s all !!!
    So you still need to think hard about which model to disarm.
    Here the issue is already being decided on the basis of political expediency.
  19. Artemka
    Artemka 28 November 2011 19: 57 New
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    Give the modernization of the tank forces of Russia, and at the same time the Air Force!
  20. NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa 5 January 2012 09: 36 New
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    NOT well, I think they could be left in reserve ..
  21. Reddragon 18 February 2012 08: 51 New
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    Strange picture Min. defense: t-90 - 18 modification of the t-72, outdated and generally expensive bullshit; t-72bm - super tank; and store 50 and 60 models in warehouses (they’ll still serve).
  22. kov
    kov 8 October 2012 14: 00 New
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    Video review T-64