Indonesia expands Anoa wheeled family

The newest Badak fire support vehicle with an installed turret from CMI Defense CSE 90LP armed with an 90-mm cannon, which is turned to the left in the photo

Like many countries in the Asia-Pacific region, Indonesia has traditionally imported its armored fighting vehicles (BBMs), but in order to become more self-sufficient and reduce the risk of supply interruptions for political reasons, it has begun to develop a range of platforms Anoa-2 machines of local development.

The new fire support machine, named Badak, was presented at the IndoDefence 2014 in Jakarta. It is a combination of the CMI Defense CSE90 twin turret version, already installed on the 22 machine of the Indonesian army Doosan Black Fox 6x6, and a substantially modified version of the Anoa-2 armored personnel carrier.

The Badak, which was designed to meet the potential requirements of the Indonesian army, has a CMI Defense Cockerill CSE 90LP twin turret (LP means that a low-pressure 90-mm rifle can fire a variety of ammunition).

Although the Badak gun mount is similar to the Anoa-2, it has a new hull design and a higher level of ballistic protection in accordance with its offensive role, now it is the STANAG 4569 Level 3. The machine also has a reinforced suspension with double wishbones to increase the level of stabilization of the gun platform, and the 340 horsepower XNUMX engine can also handle the increased weight. and automatic transmission ZF. The power side is moved to the left side of the car, respectively, the driver is located on the right side next to the engine, freeing up space in the rear of the hull for the tower and other equipment.

In accordance with the fact that two companies collaborated in designing the machine, it received the second designation Pindad Cockerill 9 OP. In the tower, the commander sits on the left and the shooter on the right. The base level of defense of the tower corresponds to the 1 level according to the NATO standard STANAG 4589, but can be upgraded to the 3 level.

The drives of the turret and the armament are electric and, as usual, there is a wide range of fire control systems, including day / night sighting systems, a laser range finder and a ballistic computer.

The development of the original Anoa machine actually began 10 years ago under the leadership of the Indonesian company PT Pindad. The first APS-1 was manufactured in the 2004 year, followed by the APS-1V1 version a year later. The first prototype was built in 2005, followed in 2008 by the first Anoa-1 production machine; currently, mass production is only increasing.

The Indonesian army has a need for a machine like Badak in order to comply with the Minimum Power Strategy developed by the Ministry of Defense.

Winemaking

PT Pindad does not publish production data, but states that “more than 100 machines were manufactured”, but according to some sources, this figure is actually much higher, since more than 150 units were produced. Variants of these machines were deployed in the UN peacekeeping contingents in Lebanon and Sudan.

In appearance, Anoa is similar to the armored personnel carrier VAB (Traffic de l'Avant Blinde), created by Renault Trucks Defense and manufactured in the 4x4 and 6x6 variants. The main difference is in the location of the power unit, in the VAB it is installed on the left behind the driver and commander, while in Anoa it is located on the right.

However, the power unit at the French-made Anoa armored personnel carrier is one of the few components of the vehicle that was imported. It consists of a Renault Dxi7 six-cylinder turbo-charged diesel engine with an 320 horsepower, coupled with an ZF 6HP 502 automatic transmission with Behr cooling system. The machine has a total mass of 14 tons, which ultimately gives the specific power of 22,85 hp / t and the maximum speed on the highway to 90 km / h.

The body is made of welded steel armor and protects those sitting inside from small-arms fire. weapons and shell splinters.

weaponry

The Anoa BTR's own weapons are relatively lightweight, protected by a combat module with a 12,7-mm machine gun or 40-mm automatic grenade launcher mounted on the left behind the driver's seat. Since the armament is not stable, it is necessary to stop the vehicle when firing targets. An additional 5,56-mm or 7,62-mm machine gun to cover the rear arc can be mounted on the roof in the stern, while two groups of three smoke-grenade launchers with electromig are mounted on the roof for firing ahead.

Each vehicle contains 10 infantrymen in addition to the commander, driver, and gunner. Landing in the car through the aft ramp with a mechanical drive or an emergency door; paratroopers are watching out of the car through bullet-proof viewing devices located above the embrasures for firing. To increase the level of protection devices are closed with covers.

Standard equipment installed on the BTR includes the steering of the first two axles with hydraulic booster, wheels with rifle-resistant inserts, a winch for self-pulling and a generator on the 100 amps.

The Anoa-2 BTR has a total mass of 14,5 tons (the original car has a combat mass of about 15 tons) and looks almost identical to the original car, with the exception of a few small improvements based on customer remarks.

Anoa-2 in the configuration of the control point; it is clearly seen that the roof in the rear of the case is raised

The Anoa-2 sanitary option also has a raised roof behind the engine compartment.

Part of the case at the evacuation option Anoa-2 removed to install the crane and winch

options

In addition to the basic Anoa-1 and Anoa-2 options, five other options were made: sanitary, control, supply, 81-mm mortar (firing through open hatches) and evacuation. All of them differ in the appropriately modified housing and layout solutions.

Most of the changes received evacuation option with a telescopic crane cantilever installation with a hydraulic actuator installed in the rear of the machine; in the stowed position the boom of the crane is directed forward. Two stabilizers are also installed on each side of the machine, and there is a hydraulic winch for pulling out behind the crane. On the case there are places for storage of tools and other specialized equipment.

A prototype 120-mm self-propelled mortar variant was also made, which has a spring system of local development, which reduces recoil forces when firing from a mortar.

The basic version of Anoa does not float, but can overcome water barriers up to one meter deep. However, in 2014, the prototype of the fully floating version was completed. This car on the water is driven by large water cannons installed on each side at the rear of the hull.

Materials used:
www.janes.com
www.pindad.com
www.indodefence.com
en.wikipedia.org

Comments

[tchoni]

Well what to say? The machine, it seems to me, corresponds to the theater of operations. I liked that the Indonesians decided to make two different vehicles: one for fire support, the other for transporting infantry. And not all blinded into one.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: tchoni

I liked that the Indonesians decided to make two different vehicles: one for fire support, the other for transporting infantry. And not all blinded into one.

And this means that the military budget allows this country to produce wheeled infantry fighting vehicles in accordance with the requirements of the troops, for the specific purpose of this type of vehicles.

This is somehow at odds with the point of view that dominates in our minds that MBT is the "backbone" of the ground forces.

This topic was actively discussed at VO 18.04.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX. The main battle tank - there is no alternative.
http://topwar.ru/73370-osnovnoy-boevoy-tank-alternativy-net.html#comment-id-4396
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Why didn’t they take this path in Indonesia? Or that the road network in the jungle of Southeast Asian countries has become much better than in the developed countries of Europe or the USA?
Or maybe the tracked chassis has lost its superiority over the wheeled in the tropical jungle of this region? Where there is a long rainy season.

I'm waiting for "Boomerang", let's see what we have done in this direction. At least preliminary.

[wanderer_032]

And for those who like to repeat that MBT is our everything, I suggest watching this film, although of course it is far from fresh, but some practical thoughts can still be learned from it:

[wanderer_032]

Also, despite the statement of the famous expert on armored vehicles S. Suvorov that the M-1128 cannot fire from the side, see from 2:30, from the previous film see frame 20:26 you can very clearly see that It turns out the M-1128 can quite well fire from the side, and on the go.
So believe after that, all the "experts".

[Lopatov]

This is all good, of course, but has nothing to do with Indonesia. They replace their light tanks (AMX-13, PT-76 and British "Scorpions") with tanks. Not wheeled. MBT plus a medium tank.

A medium tank with a Cockerill turret, a CT-CV 105HP with a 105mm gun, is being designed by PT Pindad, using the Turkish FNSS as a contractor.

[tchoni]

The wheels, unfortunately, only steer to a certain mass at a reasonable size. So, let’s say, an attempt by the South African people to create a BISMARK heavy wheeled tank led to little.
After 40 tons, caterpillars are preferable unambiguously.
Wheels give a certain advantage in mobility on roads with good surface and hard ground, but up to a certain mass. Therefore, wheeled chassis often carry various armored infantry support vehicles ... But to use these vehicles as assault - no, it is certainly possible, but not from a good life.
The development of technologies such as, say, a "life capsule" for the crew, remote-controlled combat modules of large calibers, may bring the capabilities of wheeled vehicles closer to MBT, but I'm afraid they will not completely equalize.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: tchoni

the BISMARK heavy wheeled tank led little to anything.

To be fair, it should be noted that in South Africa they managed to create the best wheeled tank available now - "Ruikat" (Lynx).

[wanderer_032]

Quote: tchoni

The wheels, unfortunately, only steer to a certain mass at a reasonable size. So, let’s say, an attempt by the South African people to create a BISMARK heavy wheeled tank led to little.

All true.
Therefore, for each technique there is a place.
But a big part of the NE fleet of any countries is wheeled vehicles for various purposes.
I touched on this topic only in connection with the statement by some people that MBTs are the backbone of the NE.

Are not. MBT has long been a highly specialized tool on the battlefield. The main burden falls on the equipment of other classes.
Mostly wheeled armored personnel carriers and tracked infantry fighting vehicles.

Accordingly, the staff structure is changing under these realities, as well.
Accordingly, the names of most tank formations with the previous organizational structure are being replaced with mechanized ones with a more modern one.
Because it is more consistent with the realities. Purely tank formations (as is generally understood) as such, there is already a little bit left in the world.

In addition to the name, the number of tanks in combined arms formations has changed significantly, and it has decreased.
The reasons for this are very different. And perhaps the most basic is that the tanks themselves have become much more complicated. Another reason is that modern tanks have become superior in combat capabilities to their older counterparts from the Cold War.
In fact, one modern MBT can replace an entire tank platoon from the Cold War, or an entire tank company from the 2nd World War.

[wanderer_032]

Therefore, these machines on the modern battlefield are not required in such numbers as they were during the Second World War.
And the main emphasis in all the armies of the world is on increasing the combat capabilities of each machine as a whole. Therefore, monitoring devices for the battlefield and SLA are being improved (everything possible is done so that the crew can observe the situation around them in any weather and time of day, as well as at a distance farthest from the vehicle), modern communication and navigation aids are being introduced, new methods are being developed protection (KAZ, KOEP, mounted kits for various purposes), the ballistic capabilities of artillery equipment are improved, new ammunition with increased striking properties is being introduced. Additional weapons, components and assemblies of the undercarriage and transmission, as well as engines are being improved. Equipment is installed that allows the crew to quickly equip the position for the machine in the engineering plan (self-digging equipment).

Modern MBT is a whole range of weapons embodied in one machine.
Such machines can, without exaggeration, be called a piece product.
They are not designed for mass production. This is not T-34 and T-55, which could be produced by tens of thousands of pieces in the context of the global war.
Accordingly, about the armored armada that hundreds and thousands will plow the battlefield, you can also forget. Times are not the same.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: wanderer_032

And for those who like to repeat that MBT is our everything, I suggest watching this film, although of course it is far from fresh, but some practical thoughts can still be learned from it:

AND? The film confirms the known facts:
1. Not a single wheeled BVM can compare in terms of survival with a tank.
2. Not a single wheeled armored infantry fighting vehicle is capable of acting on equal terms with a tank on soft soil (a tank cannot always pass through our mud).
3. Wheel BBM has the best speed and production capabilities.
4. The technique of a normal army is different, but the main thing is to be able to use it correctly.

[Lopatov]

Quote: wanderer_032

This is somehow at odds with the point of view that dominates in our minds that MBT is the "backbone" of the ground forces.

In Indonesia, the backbone is a light tank. There are 350 of them. At the same time, various kinds of armored personnel carriers are 549 pieces.

However, the locals decided to change this policy by starting to buy German Leopards. The contract was signed in 2012 and provides for the supply of 42 Leopard 2A4 tanks, 61 tanks Leopard 2 revolution, 50 Marder 1A3 infantry fighting vehicles and ten armored bridge pavers and armored recovery vehicles.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Spade

In Indonesia, the backbone is a light tank. There are 350 of them.

Easy - not MBT. Booking of such vehicles is slightly higher than that of wheeled armored vehicles.
Mobility, on fairly hard surfaces, is an order of magnitude lower than that of wheeled vehicles of the same class.
The maneuverability and cross-country ability of tracked vehicles is without a doubt higher than that of wheeled vehicles, in any conditions. Due to the design features of the undercarriage and transmission.

But when the BTR-90 was created, the superiority in maneuverability, tracked vehicles somewhat lost.

Nowadays, many people like to say that the Americans are disbanding the Stryker brigades. But what is the reason for this?
I can assume that they do not disband, but re-formulate, transferring them to another, more advanced technique.
Because the advantages of wheeled vehicles for their purposes and their military doctrine are obvious.

[Lopatov]

Quote: wanderer_032

Easy - not MBT.

I agree. That is why they are going to recycling in Indonesia. Will be replaced by a hull MBT + medium tank. Tracked vehicles. It seems that Indonesia is not particularly confident in the imaginary advantages of wheeled vehicles ...

[tchoni]

Quote: wanderer_032

But when the BTR-90 was created, the superiority in maneuverability, tracked vehicles somewhat lost.

No, let’s, in this case, talk about the BTR-60 family - BTR-90. And if we dig, let's remember the German PSV-231 8 rad, they did not concede the same to many tanks.

[tchoni]

Quote: wanderer_032

And this means that the military budget allows this country to produce wheeled infantry fighting vehicles in accordance with the requirements of the troops, for the specific purpose of this type of vehicles.

No. not necessary. It just means that people had the brains not to shove the ammunition of a solid gun into the airborne squad. that's all. In terms of heavy tracked armored vehicles, this prince works the same way: so Israel at one time sank Merkava for No. 4 and TBTR at its base ...

Quote: wanderer_032

Or maybe the tracked chassis has lost its superiority over the wheeled in the tropical jungle of this region? Where there is a long rainy season.

There are normal tanks in the Indonesian army ... according to various sources, 300 pieces are true, mostly light ones. In the year 12, they ordered a hundred leopards in German - they gave them ali no - alas, I don’t know ...
So in vain you are so on MBT - each cricket on its sixth taxis.

[cosmos111]

Quote: tchoni

. according to various sources, 300 pieces are really mostly light. In 12, a hundred leopards were ordered in non-German

and "Bushmaster" is there and much more ...

[tchoni]

Particularly pleased with the BMP-2 on a transporter. Type does not go under its own power?

[Malkor]

There’s nothing to protect, the tower can even be pierced with a machine gun. Indonesia is an island state - the fleet is more important to it than the ground forces. What does MBT have to do with it? On our theater, everything is completely different. I don’t advise adopting such a BBM to us, our equipment, especially on new platforms, is better: Armata, Kurgan, Boomerang. Why don’t you like MBT? - this is armor, firepower and mobility - a thing necessary in combined arms combat. Wheels are good for light vehicles, they will not pull 50 tons.

[bmv04636]

I think the Octopus CD would be the best option for Indonesia.

[tchoni]

Quote: bmv04636

I think the Octopus CD would be the best option for Indonesia.

It is good when you need to chase tanks, but support for the infantry in the jungle is better carried out by a cannon with a shorter barrel, but more ammunition with an almost equal high-explosive effect. Another thing is that our "Bakhcha" suits this very well.

[bmv04636]

well then better is Nona or her right successor Vienna with her miracle weapon
As the main weapons used combined semi-automatic rifled 120-mm gun 2A80, combining the functions of a cannon-howitzer and mortar. The gun is capable of firing all types of 120 mm caliber mines, regardless of the country of manufacture. It is also possible to fire shells with ready-to-cut rifles. The list of ammunition used includes shells from previous generation systems (2B16 Nona-K, 2C9 Nona-S, 2C23 Nona-SVK). It is possible to use the 3VOF112 Kitolov-2 guided projectile. To prevent gas contamination of the fighting compartment, the 2A80 gun is equipped with a barrel forced blow system. [8]
By its power, high-explosive fragmentation shells used by 2C31 are comparable to shells of 152-155 mm caliber, in addition, high accuracy of fire is ensured. [9] Carried ammunition is 70 rounds, some of which are located in mechanized warheads located in the SAO tower. [10]

[tchoni]

They have one jamb - separate loading (well, not completely separate, but the projectile must be collected before the shot) Add a unitary shot - this will be what Dohtur ordered ...

[Lopatov]

This is not a jamb, this is an advantage.

Two targets, a machine gunner in a concrete bunker and a machine gunner in a blocked trench. A weapon with a unitary will surely hit the first target, and will be useless against the second.

A variable charge allows you to shoot at the floor wall of the bunker at the maximum charge, and at the covered trench at the minimum, so that the angle of incidence is greater.

[tchoni]

Quote: Spade

This is not a jamb, this is an advantage.

Not for BM support with cardboard armor. Here or lose in rate of fire, store charges in isolated cells and collect before firing .... (and all this in a rather close fighting compartment and to one person)
Or use a unitary.
In addition, such vehicles are not self-propelled guns, they are aimed specifically at direct fire in the absence of an ATGM of a long and medium range enemy.