Military priests in battle formations

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Celebration of all celebrations is called Easter believers. For them, the Resurrection of Christ is the main holiday of the Orthodox calendar. For the sixth time in a row in its modern stories The Russian army celebrates Easter, overshadowed by military priests who appeared in units and formations after a ninety-year hiatus.



At the root of the tradition

The idea to revive the institute of military priests in the Russian army arose among the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) in the mid-nineties. It did not receive much development, but the secular leaders as a whole positively assessed the initiative of the Russian Orthodox Church. The benevolent attitude of society towards church rites and the fact that, after the liquidation of the staff of political workers, the education of personnel lost a distinct ideological core, had an effect. The post-communist elite could not formulate a new bright national idea. Her search led many to a long-known religious perception of life.

The initiative of the ROC choked up mainly because there was not the main thing in this story - military priests themselves. The priest of the usual parish did not fit the role of, for example, the confessor of the desperate paratroopers. There must be a man of their environment, respected not only for the wisdom of the religious sacrament, but also military valor, including, at least, for the obvious readiness for feat of arms.

This was the military priest Ciprian Peresvet. He himself formulated his biography as follows: first he was a warrior, then a cripple, then he became a priest, then a military priest. However, Cyprian leads the count of his life only from 1991, when he took monastic vows in Suzdal. Three years later he was ordained a priest. The Siberian Cossacks, reviving the familiar Yenisei district, elected Cyprian as a military priest. The story of this devotee of God deserves a separate detailed story. He passed both Chechen wars, was captured by Khattab, stood at the firing line, survived after wounds. It was in Chechnya that soldiers of the Sofrinsky brigade for courage and military patience called Cyprian Peresvet. He also had his call sign “YAK-15”, so that the fighters knew: the priest next to them. Supports them with soul and prayer. Companions-Chechens called Ciprian Peresvet their brother, sofrintsy - Batey.

After the war, in June, 2005 in St. Petersburg, Cyprian will take the veil in the Great Sheema, becoming the elder, the schema heir to Isaac, but in the memory of Russian soldiers he will remain the first military priest of the new time.

And before him - a large and fertile history of the Russian military clergy. For me and, probably, for the Sofrintsy, it starts from 1380, when Reverend Sergius, abbot of the Russian land and the Wonderworker of Radonezh, blessed Prince Dmitry for the battle to liberate Russia from the Tatar yoke. He gave him to help their monks - Rodion Oslabyu and Alexander Peresvet. This Peresvet will be released later on the Kulikovo field to fight with the Tatar hero Chelubey. With their deadly fight, the battle will begin. Russian army will break the horde of Mamai. This victory people will associate with the blessing of St. Sergius. The monk Peresvet who has fallen in combat will be canonized. And we are the day of the Kulikovo battle - September 21 (September 8 on the Julian calendar) we call the Day of Military Glory of Russia.

Between two Peresveta six more centuries. Much of this time together - the arduous service to God and the Fatherland, pastoral feats, grand battles and great upheavals.

According to the military regulations

Like everything in the Russian army, military spiritual service first found its organizational structure in the Military Code of Peter I from 1716. The emperor reformer considered it necessary to have a priest in every regiment, on every ship. The clergy of the sea were predominantly hieromonk. At their head was placed ober-hieromonk fleet. The clergy of the ground forces were subordinate to the field chief priest of the army, and in peacetime - to the bishop of the diocese, on whose territory the regiment was stationed.

By the end of the century, Catherine II, at the head of the military and naval clergy, placed a single chief priest of the army and navy. He was autonomous from the Synod, had the right to report directly to the Empress and the right to communicate directly with the diocesan hierarchs. For the military clergy established a regular salary. After twenty years of service, the priest was charged a pension.

The structure received a finished look and logical subordination in a military way, but was corrected for a whole century. So, in June 1890, the emperor Alexander III approved the Regulation on the management of churches and clergy of the military and maritime departments. He established the title of “protopresbyter of the military and maritime clergy.” All churches of regiments, fortresses, military hospitals and educational institutions (except for Siberia, in which the clergy of the military clergy were subordinate to the diocesan hierarchs) belonged to his jurisdiction.

The farm turned out solid. The Office of the Protopresbyter of the Military and Navy Clergy included 12 cathedrals, 3 house churches, 806 regimental, 12 serfs, 24 hospital, 10 prison, 6 port churches, 34 churches at different institutions (407 churches, NIX), NIX, NIXX, NIXX, 106 church, 337, 2 serfs protodeacon, 55 deacons, 68 psalm-readers (total - 569 clerics). The Office of Protopresbyter published its own journal, The Messenger of Military Clergy.

The Highest Regulations determined the service rights of the military clergy and the salaries of the content. The chief priest (protopresbyter) was equated to the lieutenant general, the chief priest of the General Staff, the guard or grenadier corps to the major general, the archpriest to the colonel, the head of a military cathedral or church, and the divisional dean to the colonel. The regimental priest (equal to the captain) received an almost complete captain's ration: his salary in the amount of 366 rubles per year, the same number of canteens, was provided for extra years, which reached (for 20 years of service) up to half of the established salary. Equal military salary was respected in all spiritual ranks.

Dry statistics gives only a general picture of the priesthood in the Russian army. Life brings its bright colors to this picture. Between the two Peresveta were war, heavy battle. There were their heroes. Here is the priest Vasily Vasilkovsky. His feat will be described in the order of the Russian army No. 53 of March 12 of 1813 of the year commander M.I. Kutuzov: “19 of the Egersky regiment, priest Vasilkovsky in the battle of Maly Yaroslavl, being ahead of the riflemen with the cross, with sensible instructions and personal bravely encouraged the lower ranks to fight without fear for Faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland, and he was severely wounded in the head with a bullet. In the battle of Vitebsk, he had the same courage, where he received a bullet wound in the leg. I gave the Emperor the Emperor the Emperor, and His Majesty gave the highest order to award him the Order of the Holy Great Martyr and Victorious 4-class Victor.

This was the first case in history of awarding a military priest with the Order of St. George. Father Vasily will be awarded the order on March 17 of the year 1813. In the autumn of the same year (November 24) he will die in a foreign campaign from his wounds. Vasily Vasilkovsky was only 35 years old.

Let's jump over a century into another great war - the First World War. This is what the famous Russian military leader, General A.A., wrote about that time. Brusilov: "In those terrible counterattacks among the soldier's tunic, black figures flashed - regimental priests, tucking their robes, in rough boots, went with the soldiers, encouraging the timid with simple gospel words and behavior ... They remained there forever, on the fields of Galicia, without separating from the flock."

For the heroism shown during the First World War, around 2500 military priests will be honored with state awards, will hand 227 gold pectoral crosses on the St. George ribbon. 11 people will be awarded the Order of St. George (four people - posthumously).

The Institute of Military and Maritime Clergy in the Russian army is liquidated by order of the People’s Commissariat for Military Affairs on January 16, 1918. 3700 priests will be fired from the army. Many are then repressed as class-alien elements ...

Crosses on buttonholes

The efforts of the Church yielded results by the end of the zero. Initiated by priests in 2008-2009, sociological surveys showed that the number of believers in the army comes to 70 percent of personnel. This was informed by the then Russian President Dmitry A. Medvedev. With his instructions to the military department, a new time of spiritual service in the Russian army begins. This instruction the president signed on July 21 of the year 2009. He ordered the defense minister to take the necessary decisions aimed at introducing the institute of military clergy in the Russian Armed Forces.

In carrying out the president’s instructions, the military would not copy the structures that existed in the tsarist army. They will begin by creating a department for working with religious servicemen in the Main Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for work with personnel. 242 positions of assistant commanders (chiefs) for work with religious servicemen, replaced by clergymen of traditional religious associations of Russia, will be introduced into his staff. It will happen in January of 2010.

For five years, it was not possible to fill all the proposed vacancies. Religious organizations even in abundance presented their candidates to the Department of Defense. But the bar requirements of the military was high. For work in the army on a full-time basis, they have so far adopted only the 132 clergyman - 129 Orthodox, two Muslims and one Buddhist. (I note, by the way, in the army of the Russian Empire, too, they were attentive to believers of all denominations. Several hundred chaplains edged Catholic servicemen. In national-territorial formations, such as the Wild Division, the mullahs served. The Jews were allowed to visit territorial synagogues.)

High requirements for the priesthood probably matured from the best examples of spiritual shepherding in the Russian army. Maybe even from those that I remembered today. At least, priests are being prepared for serious trials. Their robes will no longer unmask the priests, as it happened in the battle formations of the unforgettable Brusilov breakthrough. The Ministry of Defense, in conjunction with the Synodal Department of the Moscow Patriarchate for interaction with the Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies, developed the “Rules for wearing uniforms by the military clergy”. They were approved by Patriarch Kirill.

According to the rules, military priests “when organizing work with religious servicemen in conditions of military operations, during a state of emergency, eliminating accidents, natural hazards, disasters, natural and other disasters, during exercises, exercises, combat duties (combat service)” To wear not a church vestment, but a field military uniform. In contrast to the uniform of military personnel, it does not provide for a shoulder strap, sleeve or lapel badges of the corresponding kind of troops. Only buttonholes will decorate orthodox crosses of dark color of the established sample. When performing worship in the field, the priest must wear a stole, guards and a priestly cross over the uniform.

The base of spiritual work in the troops and the navy is being seriously updated. Today, in the territories under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense alone, there are more than 160 Orthodox churches and chapels. Military churches are being built in Severomorsk and Gadzhievo (Northern Fleet), on aviation base in Kant (Kyrgyzstan), in other garrisons. The Church of the Holy Archangel Michael in Sevastopol, the building of which was previously used as a branch of the Museum of the Black Sea Fleet, again became a military. Defense Minister S.K.Shoygu decided to allocate rooms for prayer rooms in all formations and ships of the first rank.

... The military spiritual ministry is writing a new story. What will it be? Certainly decent! The traditions established over the centuries that have melted into a national character require this - heroism, resilience and courage of Russian soldiers, diligence, patience and selflessness of military priests. In the meantime, military churches have a great Easter holiday, and the collective communion of warriors - as a new step in the readiness to serve the Fatherland, Peace and God.
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  1. -8
    April 10 2015 06: 28
    The then President of Russia D.A. Medvedev was informed about this. With his instructions to the military department, a new time of spiritual service in the Russian army begins. The president signed this order on July 21, 2009. He ordered the Minister of Defense to take the necessary decisions aimed at introducing the institution of the military clergy in the Armed Forces of Russia.

    DAM had a lot to do during the presidency.
    The desire of priests to creep into power and strengthen their positions there is indestructible. And in many ways they succeed, unfortunately.
    1. +23
      April 10 2015 09: 57
      Quote: Mikhail M
      The desire of priests to creep into power and strengthen their positions there is indestructible. And in many ways they succeed, unfortunately.

      Yes, they do not go into politics .. And do not impose Faith! But Orthodoxy is constantly annihilating in our souls! My father is a communist .. In those days, I also saw how he was occasionally baptized .. I’m baptized (in adulthood), I believe I don’t go to church (alas ..) But no one is forcing and not forcing me .. And I think in the Army if the pop blesses calmer the soul becomes .. And at the launch site they light rockets .. There is something anyway! Here at Easter, a life-giving fire should appear in the Temple of Jerusalem (namely, Orthodox Easter) They say if it is not there, then the whole war will begin terrible .. You should not be so! hi
      1. +4
        April 10 2015 16: 18
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Yes, they do not go into politics.

        belay They don’t climb right? Unfortunately, there are priests, and fortunately there are POPULARS.
        1. +1
          April 11 2015 07: 23
          The fact of the matter is that the "priests" are more visible, they advertise themselves strenuously, not hesitating to appear in the media, "sanctifying" everything from a passenger car to a ship, and hospitals and brothels. And priests are known only to their parishioners, for true believers never show off their faith - he is God in soul and heart. I don’t know how in Russia, but here in Kazakhstan it is only necessary to look at how “priests” of different confessions come together on religious holidays: Orthodox “priests” on a BMW X-5 and the like, mullahs on Lexuses. In a large city, invite a mullah to read a prayer, say at a commemoration, the first question is - how much will you pay? And not everyone will agree to go, and even at the same time hypocritically declare that every believer himself must know the Holy Quran and read prayers and so will be closer to Allah. I myself come from an ancient family of servants of Allah, in my family there were mullahs, and imams, and ulema, and hajj (who made the hajj to Mecca - and in the 18-19 centuries, when they did not hear about trains, they walked on foot). But I myself, looking at how more and more different sides of Faith in God and religion diverge from the Church, I became a convinced atheist.
    2. +2
      April 10 2015 10: 48
      Quote: Mikhail M
      The desire of priests to creep into power and strengthen their positions there is indestructible.

      You are wrong here. Priests are carriers of conceptual power and they do not need to lower themselves to the level of legislative and executive power. "How power works":
      http://forum.topwar.ru/topic/124-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA-%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%
      BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C/
    3. +8
      April 10 2015 16: 01
      The desire of priests to creep into power and strengthen their positions there is indestructible.


      To interact with the Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies, by the decision of the Holy Synod of July 18, 1995, a synodal department of the Martial Sign of the Cross was created. He was led by Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov, Hieromonk Savva (Molchanov) and Major General Reserve Anatoly Shatalov. Everyone is convinced that the relations of the army and the church in the educational work with the personnel of military units will become more fruitful if regimental priests appear who are able not only to spiritually nourish the military, but also to own military affairs.

      Among the soldiers and officers there is a noticeable increase in interest in the historical roots of the Fatherland, which they serve and which they are called to defend. In this regard, even in difficult times, our military priests help them, strengthening their morale. "Love your enemies," they say in the words of St. Philaret, "crush the enemies of the Fatherland." Orthodoxy does not consider it a sin for a soldier to take up arms. There were holy princes who laid down their heads for Russia. The Monk Sergius of Radonezh blessed the monks Oslyabya and Peresvet for the Battle of Kulikovo. Isn't this the strength of faith, spirit and historical connection?

      When military priests in extreme situations now ask the military: "Do you believe in God?" - they answer in unison: "We believe, father, we believe!" This was the case in Chechnya, where priest Mikhail Vasilyev took care of the paratroopers. And so it was when Bishop Ignatius (Peregudov) of Petropavlovsk and Kamchatka was making a submarine transition from the Barents Sea to Kamchatka.

      Do I need to talk about some kind of incompatibility of faith with "modern concepts", "fashion", "darkness"? Yes, the church is separated from the state, but all Russian citizens, including the military, have the right to freedom of religion, enshrined in the Constitution.

      MILITARY PRIEST.

      In the detachment joy, we have a military priest,
      And in a black cassock every time he went to battle with us,
      "Unloading" from above and - just, well, exactly Peresvet,
      We are tired of asking to wear his body armor.

      In his "unloading" he wore a marching whole temple,
      He placed five first-aid kits and Trebnik next there,
      Holy water was poured into the flask, and oil was poured into the vial,
      So our troop detachment priest served.

      He dragged the wounded from battle, covered with himself,
      He taught us not to remember evil and blessed us all,
      The funeral service
      He remembered, he was glad to baptize, and even married once.

      He reminded us to reflect on how we live,
      That we take two oaths, we answer for them:
      One is before God, renouncing satanic deeds,
      The other is to serve the motherland, such is our destiny.

      And so, in one of those fights around Shali
      He caught a sniper bullet above a little eyebrow,
      Sorry, father, for not saving you,
      They wanted to save, to convey, in a hurry as they could.

      But the demon sniper knew the thing, you bastard, well,
      He knew exactly who shot and calculated the shot,
      Our chaplain was not a tenant before moving away:
      "Christ is Risen!" - told us, and did not breathe anymore.

      Our entire detachment bid farewell to him, ego kissing the cross,
      Before the formation, he lay in a coffin under the saluted,
      Our brother and our father rested in the week of Light.
      And as a recognition to him - Truly Risen!
      Vladislav Ismagilov, 1999
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    5. -2
      April 10 2015 18: 12
      I don’t understand something. Is it a military review or a church? Then where are the forum opponents in robes? That would be more honest and understandable. Call for mercy or call to kill the unfaithful and deceived by another priest on the other side of the same faith. Well, it doesn’t settle in the head.
    6. Alexey K.
      +2
      April 11 2015 00: 55
      Holy Russia protect the Orthodox faith !!!
  2. +6
    April 10 2015 06: 36
    For reasoning about arming with the latest technologies and about various and very necessary exercises in the troops, the ideological component somehow forgot.
    But she is very important.
    It is a pity that military priests still have so many vacancies.
  3. -7
    April 10 2015 06: 51
    priest builders, cosmonaut priests are needed. What a fashion to shove religion in all holes
    1. +6
      April 10 2015 07: 54
      Quote: rpek32
      What a fashion to shove religion in all holes

      and I suggested not to touch religious topics - so as not to breed "bazaar"
    2. +2
      April 10 2015 09: 54
      I agree with you.
    3. +2
      April 11 2015 04: 35
      Religion in the army and in war (as elsewhere) has always been with Russians ...
  4. 0
    April 10 2015 07: 32
    but I agree with the initiative, the selection only has to be appropriate, the thing is necessary!
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 18: 25
      selection is not needed if the soldiers accept the confessor it will be. if not the battalion commander will immediately see this and understand and the Old Man will translate so like this
      1. 0
        April 11 2015 00: 59
        Right! And in general, you need to ask the soldiers of a particular unit where they sent one or another priest. There is a chance that they get along.
  5. 0
    April 10 2015 08: 27
    The clergy are necessary, but if only within the framework of the fence of the church, mosque, and so on. If not, then we get something like that with Nemtsov.
  6. -6
    April 10 2015 08: 35
    But priests in the army, to tell the soldiers love your enemy, do not kill ...? Or to repent the sins of lost sheep and non-charitable deeds committed during autocratic wilderness. Circus named after the clown Dimon.
    1. +5
      April 10 2015 08: 54
      Soldiers perform complex tasks, in isolation from home, wife, children, relatives and even corny benefits of civilization, such as a sofa, TV set, Internet. Torn from a familiar environment, he experiences discomfort. If all this lasts a long time, then a person inevitably: firstly, it suffers, and secondly it becomes, to put it mildly, "different." Priests are definitely needed in the army - for the formation of a spiritual and ideological core.

      Anyway, are you familiar with the phrase "There are no atheists in trenches under fire"?
      1. +1
        April 10 2015 16: 26
        It’s good to repeat this moronic phrase.
        The Soviet Army was atheistic and no religious figures were needed.
        1. +1
          April 10 2015 18: 30
          ha ha dear you speak with Afghans from different parts and appeals then you will understand. that the miracle that happened to him is very personal, they don’t tell everyone.
          1. 0
            April 11 2015 01: 30
            They say.
        2. +1
          April 11 2015 01: 25
          The Soviet army was not atheistic.
          Legally, yes. In fact - no.
          Many soldiers, having seen enough in the 1941-45 horrors of war, came to faith and even became priests
    2. -3
      April 10 2015 11: 07
      If you don’t have a clue about the subject of conversation, it’s better to keep quiet ... you’ll go for the clever one.
      1. -2
        April 10 2015 11: 58
        Quote: Hagakure
        If you don’t have a clue about the subject of conversation, it’s better to keep quiet ... you’ll go for the clever one.

        Accidentally minus clicked. Excuse me.
    3. +5
      April 10 2015 16: 10
      But priests in the army, to tell the soldiers love your enemy, do not kill ...? Or to repent the sins of lost sheep and non-charitable deeds committed during autocratic wilderness.


      Ours is FATHER, that's how they always call him. Those guys who have gone through Chechnya remember him well or heard about this Man. He was always close to the fighters, where death frolicked in half. He pulled out wounded guys from the battlefield, from under fire. He was captured by the "militants". But death always bypassed him. This is a Man with a capital letter, Man is a Legend. To the first “trench” Orthodox priest, new Russia - I dedicate these verses.

      = K I P R I A N - P E R E S B E T =

      Good people - not a few guys
      On Russian Earth - until the end of years.
      And we call him, just - Dad
      And his name - Cyprian - Relight.

      Soul Healer and Reliance for Soldiers
      He didn’t bow to the bullets, although there was a battle nearby.
      He gave his body armor to the guys
      And death passed him by.

      More than once from the battlefield - endured fighters
      Under the cross, dagger fire
      And ,, the Word of God ,, - gave to the boys
      He was next to us, always and in everything.

      In the Chechen captivity, had a chance to visit.
      There - ,, Faith ,, offered to change the enemies,
      And they took to execution more than once,
      But the Cross, he never took off his chest.

      Good people - not a few guys
      On Russian Land - Until the End of Years
      And we call him, just - Dad
      And his name is Cyprian Peresvet
      Vitaly Ivanov

      Chechen Dad in the apocalypse zone http://navoine.ru/sveshennik-kvk.html

      More about Cyprian Relight Священник http://www.warchechnya.ru/news/svjashhennik/2011-09-29-1662
      1. 0
        April 10 2015 22: 12
        MY ANSWER WAS NOT FORGIVING YOU.
    4. -1
      April 10 2015 18: 27
      your everyday polemic is devoid of knowledge. what bless and let go read a little. respect yourself
    5. +2
      April 11 2015 01: 13
      The church does not encourage war as such.
      But the war in defense of the Fatherland is sacred, and the clergy blesses the battle.
      Otherwise, how then the monk Alexander Peresvet could be canonized, having taken up arms and killed Chelubey before the Battle of Kulikovo.
      The same applies to generals Alexander Nevsky, Kutuzov.

      Private Yevgeny Rodionov, who did not reject his faith and country under torture, was beheaded in 1996 during the First Chechen year and was also canonized
    6. +1
      April 11 2015 04: 49
      Regarding "Thou shalt not kill" I also found a picture.
      Causing death is possible if this suppresses even greater evil, ensures the suppression of [bloody] war and the preservation of peace.
      This topic is most fully disclosed in the work of the Orthodox theologian A. I. Ilyin "On Resistance to Evil by Force"
  7. +3
    April 10 2015 08: 59
    The example of New Russia is very convincing - the fighters are mostly believers and go to battle with the blessing of the priests, if they are nearby. But realities say that there are priests nearby and are actively involved in hostilities.
  8. +3
    April 10 2015 09: 42
    Nevertheless, politkomissahren or their clergymen should be in the army. Before a deadly battle, someone must inspire, otherwise you won’t last long on one charter.
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 10: 28
      +100500 This is especially true in our society, spoiled by oversight, otherwise our army will become like an Amer army, where the infantry is not afraid only to finish off survivors after art and aircraft.
      1. 0
        April 10 2015 15: 17
        And our church is in poverty, perhaps, lives, and not on "Maybachs" and "Lexuses"? Is it not clear that all these regimental priests and teachers of religion at school do not "feed" the flock for free? Just another piece of bread and butter ...
        1. +1
          April 10 2015 19: 12
          you write a fever. The priest lives by alms that the parish will give. So even to the independent oh how much was offered. He didn’t take the family. So believe me, even Maybach give for prayer help
        2. +3
          April 10 2015 20: 26
          Dear, believe me, regimental priests certainly don’t ride on Maybach, you have a narrow stereotype, narrow thinking, capable of looking exclusively for negative ... as they say, an evil person has everything evil, and a good person has everything good ... like you look and You see the world, but there are those who drive Lexus, why don’t you give examples of priests who travel with everyone on public transport ???
        3. +1
          April 11 2015 01: 34
          We need numbers. How many specifically on Maybachs, how many on Lexus. And how much they live on from what the parish will give and collect bit by bit for food for the family and children for clothes for school.
          I've met a lot of clergymen and everyone - from the last category.
    2. +1
      April 10 2015 15: 14
      It is not clear why you refer to political instructors in German. Is it such a banter, or what?
    3. +1
      April 10 2015 18: 33
      the dentist does not lay bricks. he is trained to work with teeth. and the priest in the majority is the call of their GOD chooses to serve
  9. 0
    April 10 2015 10: 00
    The army primarily serves soldiers, and if religion enters there, religious stratifications will immediately arise. If a person believes, he will believe regardless of worshipers! Anyone who needs to can go to a dismissal and visit his temple.
    1. +1
      April 10 2015 10: 52
      I think that the temple is not everywhere. And the presence of a priest will improve the team and the situation in it. People will be more resilient psychologically and more tolerant. exactly to each other: After talking with the priest, you can go into battle, but it is completely impossible to go to some low or vile deeds that often accompany war.
      1. +1
        April 10 2015 15: 20
        That is, the tsarist army and the White Guards did not commit low and dirty deeds? I'm not even saying what a priest should say to people, sending them to death in violation of one of the main Christian commandments "Thou shalt not kill"? Reading your comments, I am surprised at your naivety.
        1. 0
          April 10 2015 18: 37
          what else but kill you know? I'm sure almost nothing. So enlighten yourself from books a little and your question will disappear.
        2. +1
          April 11 2015 01: 56
          The Orthodox is not one who does not sin, and does not commit low and dirty deeds. This is someone who is constantly trying to fight this, even if it turns out with difficulty. And yes, both the tsarist army and the White Guards did low deeds. But against the background of Bolshevism exalted by the Red Terror at the stage of the formation of Soviet power, both the White Guards and the tsarist army fade.
          And priests at all times were not absolutely holy, although at the same time it is customary for the Orthodox to respect the dignity. But in the human, sinful nature of people, and even priests, illusions have never arisen for anyone, as the official representatives of the ROC say. Everyone is sinful, everyone needs to be saved. Infallibility (of the Pope) is declared only by the Vatican. The Orthodox have no such tradition and never have had it.
          Regarding "Thou shalt not kill" - but what about the words of Christ "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword"? That is, you need to carefully study the original source. Why, for example, does the clergy bless the war to defend the Fatherland, while generals like A. Nevsky, M. Kutuzov canonize? There is a reason.
          1. 0
            April 11 2015 07: 42
            Anti-Soviet - always Russophobe
    2. +1
      April 10 2015 18: 35
      GOD has never been imposed on anyone. If you want, go with a stick without chasing the soul will call you go.
    3. +1
      April 11 2015 01: 42
      We must look at the experience of the Russian Empire. In a legally (!) Orthodox country, Muslim soldiers took the oath on the Qur'an (Jews, for example, swore on the Torah), and took its mullah, and it is obligatory to swear three times in the name of Allah, after kissing the book of the Qur'an. Serving in the army of Muslims also involved solving everyday problems from the realm of the spirit and from the realm of the body - how to pray and how to eat.
      There was no stratification; everyone had one Motherland for all. The presence of different religions, on the contrary, cultivated the mutual respect of soldiers from different parts of a vast country
  10. +3
    April 10 2015 10: 08
    And why dill (Natsik), it is on the eve of Easter that they begin the massacre ..? That year it was the same ... Damn them and the servants of Satan! God bless you militia!
    1. 0
      April 11 2015 02: 06
      By analogy: when NATO planes bombed Serbia in 1999, the bombs read "Christ is Risen!"
      The Serbs called this operation "Merciful Angel", and by this name it is now known
  11. +5
    April 10 2015 10: 17
    Why are they so cherished about the rights and feelings of believers and at the same time infringe on the rights of atheists? Well, if I were standing there on a parade ground, I didn’t go to church and I’m not going to, but then a cross pops in my face, I asked him for blessings? But this is the army, you just can’t get out of order, but what about the representatives of other religions?
    1. -2
      April 10 2015 10: 57
      If you feel inferior, you still have two options: accept this, or not be flawed.
      Give a cross - kiss. You kiss the corner of the banner? This should be easy for an atheist because it means nothing to him.

      If a person is not a Christian, then he will proudly say this, and if a person is an atheist, then this is where your conversation begins ..
      1. +3
        April 10 2015 11: 25
        Just the same, I do not feel flawed, on the contrary, rather free-thinking and not biased. And you are wrong that atheism means "all do not care if they give the cross to kiss - kiss, offer to cut the foreskin - please." I am principled in these matters, not religious and refuse to take part in any church rituals. And I think that the opinion of believers and non-believers should be considered equally.
        1. 0
          April 10 2015 16: 30
          The less educated a person is, the more religious he is.
          And believers of all stripes, with the possible exception of pagans, always consider atheists to be nonhumans. The Nazis, Cho take them.
          1. 0
            April 11 2015 02: 29
            List of uneducated religious people and some of their quotes:
            1. Acad. I.P. Pavlov: “I study higher nervous activity and know that all human feelings: joy, grief, sadness, anger, hatred, love, human thoughts, the very ability to think and reason - are connected, each of them with a special cell of the human brain and its nerves. And when the body ceases to live, then all these feelings and thoughts of a person, as if breaking away from the brain cells that have already died, by virtue of the general law that nothing - neither energy, nor matter - disappear without a trace and make up that soul, an immortal soul that the Christian faith professes. "
            2. Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck: "Religion and science require belief in God for their substantiation. For the first, God stands at the beginning, for the second - at the end of all thinking. For religion, He represents the foundation, for science - the crown of the development of the world outlook."
            3. Louis Pasteur: "The absence of spontaneous generation makes us still bow before the mystery of the primitive creation of the living by God the Creator (further, the living is not capable of spontaneous generation, but only of reproduction, as the Bible says," after its kind ")."
            4. Acad. B. B. Rauschenbach: “Trying to understand the Universe using analytical methods, some physicists felt the impossibility of explaining it only from the point of view of materialism. I also think that materialism, which teaches that matter is primary, everything else is secondary, is nonsense. Academician Sakharov, whom I consider a person of exceptional honesty and courage, wrote that there is something outside matter and its laws, warming the world, this feeling can be called religious. A gene, a carrier of hereditary information, is material. But it itself is inexplicable from materialistic positions. And what is more important - information or its carrier? Consequently, in the world objectively exists that which is not material. "

            The question is more complicated than he repents at first glance)))
            1. 0
              April 11 2015 07: 44
              Again.
              The more religious a person is, the less educated he is.
              Are these people strongly religious?
      2. 0
        April 10 2015 17: 27
        Quote: Snow
        Give a cross - kiss. You kiss the corner of the banner? This should be easy for an atheist because it means nothing to him.

        Do not confuse the warm with the soft, the Banner is truly sacred to me, but the cross is just a symbol of religion.
        Although I am an atheist, I am not against priests in the army. Well, for garlic - out of 180 people, we really had a believer 1 (one). And nothing prevented him from praying and going to church. Carrying a cross like everyone else and believing in God are somewhat different things.
        Quote: Snow
        If a person is not a Christian, then he will proudly say this, and if a person is an atheist, then this is where your conversation begins ..

        On garlic - how many prayers do you personally know, do you keep the fasts, remember all the church holidays?
    2. +1
      April 10 2015 18: 38
      I don’t want a nod. He will go no further. In Orthodoxy, nobody drove anyone with a stick.
    3. +1
      April 11 2015 02: 18
      I am a believer, standing on the parade ground to your left. And since, in your opinion, a priest with a cross should not bless the soldiers (because your rights are infringed), you were indignant and removed the priest. It is logical to assume that now you are violating my rights.
      Why can't you just say to the priest: "Thank you, don't you?" And spoil everyone's mood?
      I have not heard that ever believers were outraged by the dominance of atheists.
      1. 0
        April 11 2015 07: 45
        Read the constitution, huh?
  12. +4
    April 10 2015 11: 10
    I'm in shock !!!!! Orthodox country, but I read - completely ignorance ... Before you try to comment on something, you at least study the subject ...
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 12: 35
      Specifically respected in what people are wrong ???
    2. 0
      April 10 2015 16: 32
      Read the Constitution, the main law of our country. Russia is not an Orthodox country.
    3. 0
      April 10 2015 18: 22
      Quote: Hagakure
      I'm in shock !!!!! Orthodox country, but I read - completely ignorance ... Before you try to comment on something, you at least study the subject ...

      There are a lot of old farts on the forum .. of the old school, plus there is a category of pagans and just ignoramuses.
      1. 0
        April 10 2015 18: 48
        Quote: RUSS
        There are a lot of old farts on the forum .. of the old school, plus there is a category of pagans and just ignoramuses.

        God reads this and he is ashamed of you.
        1. 0
          April 10 2015 21: 57
          Quote: lelikas
          God reads this and he is ashamed of you.


          Speak for yourself.
    4. -1
      April 10 2015 18: 40
      very common sense
  13. +2
    April 10 2015 11: 24
    God with each of us speaks the language of our life circumstances. You just need to learn to listen to Him.

    Example:
    There was a flood in the village. All residents left their homes, went to a safe place. Only one left, everything prays to God. His neighbors call him:
    - Ivan, come with us. Big water is coming. Will flood everything. Drowning.
    “I believe in God.” He will save me.
    All the neighbors left the village. Big water came. Flooded the hut. Ivan climbed onto the roof, praying to God. Rescuers pass by. They say:
    -Muzhik! Jump into our boat. Big water is coming. Drowning.
    “I believe in God.” He will save me.
    Rescuers sailed away. And the water is coming and coming ...
    Ivan is sitting on a pipe praying to God. Helicopter flies. Threw off the stairs. Shout to him:
    -Muzhik! Let's get in to us. Big water is coming. Drowning.
    “I believe in God.” He will save me.
    Helicopter flew away. And the water is coming and coming ...
    Ivan drowned. He appeared before God and asked him:
    - God, I believed in you, went to church every Sunday, prayed every day, but you did not save me ...
    - Fight You Vanya. I tried to save you three times. I sent you neighbors, sent rescuers, sent a helicopter ...

    And a short video for believers, non-believers, non-believers, and vice versa:

  14. -1
    April 10 2015 11: 31
    Quote: Hagakure
    I'm in shock !!!!! Orthodox country, but I read - completely ignorance ...

    To start:
    Religion in Russia is a set of religious movements that have established themselves on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    The current (from 1993 year) Constitution of Russia defines the Russian Federation as a secular state. The Constitution guarantees “freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, including the right to profess individually or jointly with others any religion or not to profess any, freely choose, have and disseminate religious and other beliefs and act in accordance with them.”
    Next:
    The main religions represented in Russia are Christianity (mainly Orthodoxy, there are also Catholics and Protestants), as well as Islam and Buddhism. At the same time, part of the population of the Russian Federation is unbelievers.

    According to the All-Russian study “Atlas of Religions and Nationalities” conducted by the “Wednesday” service in August 2012, in 79 from 83 subjects of the Russian Federation, religiosity among Russians, the total number of which is 143,2 million people, was distributed as follows:

    58,8 million or 41% - profess Orthodoxy and belong to the Russian Orthodox Church
    9,4 million or 6,5% - profess Islam (including Sunnis, Shiites and those who do not consider themselves Sunni or Shiite)
    5,9 million or 4,1% - profess Christianity, but do not consider themselves Orthodox or Catholics or Protestants
    2,1 million or 1,5% - profess Orthodoxy, but do not belong to the Russian Orthodox Church and are not Old Believers
    1,7 million or 1,2% - profess the traditional religion of their ancestors, worship the gods and forces of nature
    700 000 or 0,4% - profess Buddhism (mainly Tibetan)
    400 000 or 0,2% - Old Believers
    300 000 or 0,2% - Protestants (Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelists, Anglicans)
    140 000 or 0,1% - profess Eastern religions and spiritual practices (Hindus and Hare Krishnas)
    140 000 or 0,1% - Catholics
    140 000 or 0,1% - Jews
    36 million or 25% - believe in God, but do not profess a specific religion
    18 million or 13% - do not believe in God

    The data of the Public Opinion Foundation as of June 2013 are as follows:

    I do not consider myself a believer - 25%
    Orthodoxy - 64%
    Other Christian denominations (Catholics, Protestants, Uniates, Baptists, etc.) - 1%
    Islam - 6%
    Other religions - 1%
    Difficult to answer, I can’t name a particular denomination - 4%

    Now the question is how many clerics and what religions should be in the army?
    1. +3
      April 10 2015 11: 57
      And one more nuance: religion in the army at this moment is contrary to the Constitution of Russia. It is still separated from the state, and the army is the most important state institution. What is the basis for paying salaries to priests? If you want - edit the Constitution of the country. And there is no need to represent me as such a legalist, far from the army and the war: one "my" war - a soldier (sergeant) conscript, the second - a junior officer, the third - a senior. I know very well that there are no atheists under fire, but excuse me - and what does this have to do with priests-intermediaries? request
      1. -3
        April 10 2015 13: 40
        I believe that the priests have what is called a "social order". once it is there, it must be satisfied. We have a country of extended social guarantees.
        1. +1
          April 10 2015 15: 26
          The social order of the rich is on the priests, so that the church, as in previous times, instills in the people obedience and "godly pleasing" to the power of thieves and the injustice of the distribution of national wealth. In this at all times the church has succeeded.
          1. +1
            April 10 2015 18: 47
            your stupidity. I can argue
          2. 0
            April 11 2015 02: 51
            In the picture, Sergei Mironov, a priest from New Russia, who blocked the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier with his chest.
            And yes, the rich had a social order for him, and he, like a cog in the church hierarchy, right now, in front of your eyes, "inspires the people with disobedience and godlyness to thieves' power"
    2. +4
      April 10 2015 15: 24
      And what about with such tens of millions of "Orthodox" 3% of the population comes to the church even on great holidays? Enough fooling around with pseudo-statistics. It is one thing that people attribute themselves to Christian culture, while it is quite another to consider them to be believers and obeying rituals.
      1. +2
        April 10 2015 16: 31
        Quote: Nina Czerny
        Stop fooling around with pseudo-statistics.

        It’s stupid to be offended by statistics ... hi
      2. +1
        April 11 2015 02: 52
        I do not know. In our neighborhood, the church is clogged, we are standing on the street for Easter. Last year, my throat caught a cold.
    3. 0
      April 10 2015 18: 46
      the truth is one. I recommend the Old Testament on this subject. Fiction is not small, but questions will disappear
  15. +3
    April 10 2015 11: 45
    Oh, this topic is unnecessary here. How many "for" so much and "against"
    1. +1
      April 10 2015 11: 54
      Quote: Severomor
      Oh, this topic is unnecessary here. How many "for" so much and "against"

      Do you think that the religious issue does not exist in the country? We have no believers of different faiths and no atheists who do not believe in anyone?

      Our enemies do not think so. Their efforts are aimed at disuniting us, including by faith. To hide one’s head in the sand, to pretend that nothing is happening, is to indulge our enemies in destroying a lot of our confessional country.

      The question is different. The discussion should take place without insulting one another - in a constructive manner.
      1. +4
        April 10 2015 15: 33
        What to discuss? God-God, Caesar-Caesar. Let the believers believe, the atheists do not. Just don’t pull religion and priests everywhere. According to the constitution, we have a secular state, and for the last fifteen years it’s just a bacchanalia of some kind with the imposition of religion - here you are both churches within walking distance, and Muslims pouring in crowds on rugs, and aunt in veils, which has never happened, even in Tsarist Russia, And this despite the fact that schools and hospitals in the outback are closed, people are paid a penny, and at the same time, the "top" receive hundreds and even millions of times more ordinary people. And instead of forming a modern, just society, the country is slipping into the 19th century, when there were only churches and priests, and one doctor for two or three counties.
        1. 0
          April 10 2015 18: 51
          death is not bargaining. she doesn’t need all the husks, everyone understood this and will understand on her deathbed. about Caesar, I’ll tell you there were always rich and poor ALWAYS for this you and that you
      2. +1
        April 10 2015 15: 53
        Quote: Boris55
        Do you think that the religious issue does not exist in the country? We have no believers of different faiths and no atheists who do not believe in anyone?

        In this case, or rather on this resource, it makes no sense to discuss the "religious issue".
        Those who want to pray let them go to the temple, those who do not want to - do not go. Imposition of the state is considered wrong. I consider the construction of temples in military units superfluous, but it is probably possible at the division level. Yes, and they need to be built at least 5 for all directions.
      3. 0
        April 10 2015 18: 33
        Unbelieving atheists do not exist. There are those who do not believe in God described in the scriptures by those who have never seen him. And Faith, like Orthodoxy, does not fit in religion. A man is free from birth and any coercion to get into his soul to redraw what our fathers and grandfathers gave us contradicts the very nature of man.
      4. +1
        April 10 2015 18: 33
        Unbelieving atheists do not exist. There are those who do not believe in God described in the scriptures by those who have never seen him. And Faith, like Orthodoxy, does not fit in religion. A person is free from birth and any forced climb into the soul to redraw what our fathers and grandfathers gave us contradicts the very nature of man. However, if there is anyone to cry for, then why not the priest. This is not worse than going to prolific psychologists. To each his own, and disputes are inappropriate.
    2. dmb
      +3
      April 10 2015 12: 19
      Well, why not. And it seems to me even very necessary. The above are compelling reasons that the institution of the clergy is against the law. So we will live according to the law, as our "leaders" proclaim, or according to "concepts" (how they prefer to live). Everything else, as they say, is from the evil one. Changing the law means becoming a clerical state like Qatar. That's when it all starts. The massacre will be worse than the Yugoslavian with the guaranteed disintegration of the country. So the topic is needed, but no one forbids anyone to believe.
  16. +2
    April 10 2015 12: 04
    This topic is controversial. On my own behalf, I want to say that I saw many people who have never been to the temple, but they are purer in soul and thoughts. I saw the same number of "pseudo-believers", like they often go to church, but the soul is black. Therefore, God must be in each of us, inside. And intermediaries in addition.
    1. -1
      April 10 2015 12: 17
      Quote: Vishnevsky
      Therefore, God must be in each of us, within. And intermediaries in addition.

      Intermediaries? Are you sure they should be?

      Mediators only distort information coming from God to us. The mediator, no matter how sincere in his motives, but he passes your information through himself and gives out his vision based on his life experience, which leads to the imposition of your mistakes and brought in by the mediator.

      I hope you do not need a mediator between you and your wife, so why do you want to have a mediator between your life and God? Learn to listen to the language of God yourself. He does not speak or write. He speaks the language of our life circumstances. You can call it visions, premonitions, intuition ... conscience.
      1. 0
        April 10 2015 12: 26
        Are you sure you can understand everything yourself?
        1. -2
          April 10 2015 12: 35
          Quote: red-dog2
          Are you sure you can understand everything yourself?

          If I understood everything, I would not fall, but these are my bumps earned by me and by no one else. Do you believe that having made a mistake (in Greek it is a sin) and having told the mediator about this, you are guaranteed from repeating them in the future?

          PS
          Before you fall, you must stumble a couple of times. God warns, the truth can not always be heard. Drunkenness, tobacco, drugs block the connection with Him.
          1. -1
            April 10 2015 13: 59
            Repentance is an essential element of spiritual development. Without confession, a person is boiled in his juice, a priest is a guide to morality, a mentor, etc.
            1. -1
              April 10 2015 15: 36
              Priests are people too, and like everyone else, there can be both good and bad. Therefore, it is ridiculous to read that the priest is the vehicle of morality. So the believer is nothing of himself? Just what pop will inspire him with, what will he do and will be? Well well...
              1. +1
                April 10 2015 16: 21
                Yes, priests are the same people. Man is weak. But, you either confuse or substitute concepts: do you think that a priest, being a "bad priest", can teach people bad things? to influence them badly?
              2. +2
                April 10 2015 18: 57
                Inspire? Is he psychic ?! he reminds abyasnya teaches that they did not know or forgot and imposes nothing of their own
              3. 0
                April 10 2015 19: 31
                a priest is a screw in an organization called the Church. If he does not cope with his function, he is not allowed to do anything or talk. The church has the same structure as the army, with a charter and hierarchy
              4. +1
                April 11 2015 03: 52
                It is not the father who inspires, but God, through the mouth of the father. The priest is only a vessel. And no matter how rustic the priest seemed in everyday life, during a confession, when you need to give advice, the priest often says the only words that are right for you.
                But we must work hard and find such a confessor.
                In general, all this is an individual life experience and it is difficult to explain on the fingers, it turns out only to "walk with your own feet", as a rule. I had, some did not. But the answer to your question sounds like this.
        2. 0
          April 10 2015 13: 53
          Of course not, a person talks about what he does not understand. Just the priest would have put everything on the shelves.
          1. +1
            April 10 2015 18: 59
            ask I'm not a priest but life in the monastery teaches
      2. +2
        April 10 2015 12: 50
        Sometimes intermediaries are needed.
      3. +2
        April 10 2015 13: 51
        Alas, God will not say anything good to you in life circumstances.
        Go to the Primary Source, have you read the Bible? And what you say is not even Christianity, but something else - "personal"
      4. +1
        April 10 2015 18: 55
        Well, nonsense. What illiteracy. MEDIATOR. who is the intermediary? only a priest can do what neither a baker nor a shoemaker can do. this is his work before God, and only no one else can understand this.
    2. +1
      April 10 2015 13: 44
      Black souls who go to church strive to become less black, and this desire must be approved.

      Just as a doctor is needed only for a sick person, so God is needed only for those who need him (from the Bible).
      1. 0
        April 10 2015 15: 27
        I would agree with you if people did not step on the same rake. Pseudo-believers go to church to increase appreciation in the eyes of others, this is a kind of manifestation of selfishness. A true believer will never be drawn, and silently do his job.
        1. +2
          April 10 2015 16: 25
          It's right. But firstly, it is impossible to verify this, and secondly, even if a person is "drawn", in the end, his actions in the image of an "Orthodox" will still be better than if he had not positioned himself that way. Let it be not entirely frank on his part, but nevertheless he strives for something.
          1. 0
            April 10 2015 16: 52
            As a matter of fact, no. To paint in an "image" is not a Christian way, it is already a sin. You are deceiving others and yourself, and this is even worse. Why hypocrisy when you can be yourself?
  17. +4
    April 10 2015 12: 10
    dear atheists! you are now shouting here that your feelings are infringed upon, that "priests" are unnecessary intermediaries and deceivers, that they are not needed in the army. Have you forgotten that there are 70% of believers in the army? and how it concerns you in general. are you being forced to go to church or kiss the cross? Father came up to you and said that you are an atheist. and that's it! he went further. or because of you, atheists, who are 30% in the army, the remaining 70 should limit themselves? is this not selfishness? think before you write. because of your atheistic minority, you cannot limit the rights of believers (Orthodox, Muslims, and Buddhists). what is this gloating. this is called "we ourselves do not pray, and we will not give to others"! shame on you! I said everything.
    PS I am with both hands for the priests in the army. one such I even know personally, a great person, a former military man. now a naval priest at the Black Sea Fleet. and these need more.
    1. +5
      April 10 2015 12: 32
      Quote: red-dog2
      and you forgot that in the army 70% of believers.

      They don't give a damn about it! Not a single believer screams, and atheists infringe on our rights. But atheists, for any reason, declare themselves at the same time, so that sometimes you want to put it in the face.
      1. 0
        April 10 2015 17: 33
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They don't give a damn about it! Not a single believer screams, and atheists infringe on our rights. But atheists, for any reason, declare themselves at the same time, so that sometimes you want to put it in the face.

        The only true thing is that not one BELIEVE, but those who carry the cross according to the latest fashion are shouting (not almost quieter than atheists). Previously, tennis was popular, now judo and Orthodoxy. So they need a priest, but close at hand, that would not have to go far.
    2. -1
      April 10 2015 13: 08
      Quote: red-dog2
      because of your atheist minority, you cannot restrict the rights of believers

      Sorry, do you believe God? Why don’t you believe that if it pleases God, then God will protect you, and if he doesn’t protect you and you are trying to organize something and you don’t succeed, is it pleasing to God?
    3. 0
      April 10 2015 14: 01
      Of course you must! Priests are the salt of the world. Without them, everything will rot. Isn't that what we see? Malice, hazing .. Is it familiar?
      1. 0
        April 10 2015 15: 41
        I do not know. The Soviet period revealed to the world amazing Soviet people who lived and died in the name of others and their country. And believe me, they were much more honest and just than the current "believing" presidents and prime ministers, together with all their funds.
        1. +1
          April 11 2015 03: 55
          And many of them were believers.
          Simply, if we take the opposite point of view, we fundamentally do not accept these facts ..
          1. 0
            April 11 2015 07: 48
            It is not true. If you are Orthodox, then why are you lying?
    4. +2
      April 10 2015 15: 38
      Do you know that when in February 1917 the Provisional Government abolished the obligatory confession of a regimental priest, 70% of the soldiers stopped attending it? Hiding behind God, so many monstrous crimes were committed and are being committed that atheists never dreamed of ...
      1. 0
        April 11 2015 07: 50
        Why should they know? They have faith.
        Faith is always a lack of knowledge
  18. +3
    April 10 2015 12: 17
    Don't be rude, but I'll leave it here...

  19. +1
    April 10 2015 12: 30
    Quote: Snow
    and what should representatives of other religions do?


    129 Orthodox, two Muslims and one Buddhist.


    for those who think that this is useless, they should study the matter a little deeper, forcibly pulling nobody to faith, to inform - this is completely different
    a soldier without a spiritual core becomes a "punisher", a vivid example of this from the United States and the current Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
    1. +2
      April 10 2015 15: 43
      The USA is all believers, only in the USA it is completely what they considered sects in the Old World. And the Vlasovites, I think, were also completely believers. And the Russian Church Abroad supported Hitler and wrote panegyrics to him. So it is necessary to draw such global conclusions more carefully.
  20. +2
    April 10 2015 12: 54
    Quote: red-dog2
    dear atheists! you are now shouting here that your feelings are infringed upon, that "priests" are unnecessary intermediaries and deceivers, that they are not needed in the army. Have you forgotten that there are 70% of believers in the army? and how it concerns you in general. are you being forced to go to church or kiss the cross? Father came up to you and said that you are an atheist. and that's it! he went further. or because of you, atheists, who are 30% in the army, the remaining 70 should limit themselves? is this not selfishness? think before you write. because of your atheistic minority, you cannot limit the rights of believers (Orthodox, Muslims, and Buddhists). what is this gloating. this is called "we ourselves do not pray, and we will not give to others"! shame on you! I said everything.
    PS I am with both hands for the priests in the army. one such I even know personally, a great person, a former military man. now a naval priest at the Black Sea Fleet. and these need more.
    We are not shouting, dear, but talking, but you seem to be shouting. And on what LEGAL basis will you pay salaries? Where did you see "hurt feelings, deceivers"? How have I offended the feelings of believers? Give an example and do not freak out, and do not "spread like a mind along the tree." Why am I a shame?
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 13: 50
      Did I write specifically to you? don't scream, okay. and I wrote to those who scream
    2. +1
      April 10 2015 14: 06
      Well, yes, no need to dishonor. We are here discussing "how to do better" for our Motherland.
      Our rulers made this time a wise and correct decision.
  21. +1
    April 10 2015 13: 44
    I believe in mermaids, in brownies ... But we live in the 21st century, comrades, have long flown into space (and, moreover, have not crashed into the heavens), made a man-made sun (thermonuclear explosion), chuckled at the pace of the orthodox Jews or Sharia, and themselves also in the Middle Ages pulls.
    P.S. did not want to offend believers on the eve of the holiday.
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 14: 09
      it is not worth going too far in any matters, I agree. But I think that if there is a "social order" for the priests, then it should be satisfied. There is definitely more good from this than bad.
    2. +3
      April 10 2015 14: 11
      How old are you, dear? Has there never been a chance in my life to think about someone who was rendered to you by an invisible, but no less real help from this? Or, did you perform all the miracles in your life (even impossible) yourself? Sit in silence, without friends and TV, alone. Remember, even analyze, it will not hurt.
      1. -3
        April 10 2015 14: 18
        I will think for sure, but the Orthodox religion assumes that a person is like God in the ability to "create".
        And in many ways it is. A man should not look for a miracle in life; God taught him how to act: act!
        I'm 26
        1. +3
          April 10 2015 14: 32
          I 53.
          And he "did" with his head and hands during his life, a lot. Although I would like, and more.
    3. -1
      April 10 2015 19: 02
      no offense on your face not knowing the matter
  22. +5
    April 10 2015 14: 04
    It’s easier not to believe in God, not to strain your soul with heavy thoughts and spiritual labor. And what? Everyone lives like that.
    And it will be asked from us not according to "numerous lists", but from each one specifically, as they say - "in the face ...". And, the Soviet ideology was almost a complete "photocopy" of the Orthodox! Remember the "Commandments of the Builder of Communism." Except for one: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind," all the rest were taken from the Orthodox Bible. Even hiding God behind the "red flags", the communists could not abandon His commandments!
    1. -1
      April 10 2015 15: 47
      And what, do you think people who are not religious do not bother with moral thoughts? For me, it’s easier for believers, they always have hell before their eyes, so as not to do bad. But they do it! From age to age they violate the commandments of God, but still believe that they are more moral than atheists. It's ridiculous!
      1. +2
        April 10 2015 17: 29
        it’s ridiculous to talk about a certain universal morality of atheists, it simply doesn’t exist, each atheist individually decides what is moral for him and what is not. After moral reflection, a rich old woman came up with an ax to bother with an ax, and the other from his point of view of poor quality , it’s moral for a third child to deprive life in the womb. Everyone has their own thoughts. And the Church, just after the cathedrals, tried to determine, not for itself, but for society, what is right and what is not
        1. -1
          April 10 2015 18: 08
          Quote: Pissarro
          it is ridiculous to talk about a certain universal morality of atheists, it simply does not exist, each atheist individually decides what is moral for him and what is not.

          The words morality and the criminal code do not resemble anything; by the way, they also work for religious people.
          1. 0
            April 10 2015 18: 39
            no one indulges in thought about their own criminal code, they adopt without hesitation the code that has been worked out by society. So have the higher laws worked out by the Church.
            1. 0
              April 10 2015 22: 21
              Quote: Pissarro
              without hesitation, the code that has been worked out by society. So have the higher laws worked out by the Church.

              And continuing your thought - So the highest laws worked out by the Church - are accepted without hesitation.
              Well, and how are we different now? That my morality is a conscience, and yours is a religion?
              1. 0
                April 11 2015 06: 10
                You base your morality on your subjective attitudes, and I compare my morality with a two-thousand-year-old tradition. Only smile
                1. 0
                  April 11 2015 14: 44
                  Quote: Pissarro
                  You base your morality on your subjective attitudes, and I compare my morality with a two-thousand-year-old tradition. Just smile

                  Do not you find that people appeared a little earlier than 2000 years ago? And somehow they survived to the present day.
                  1. 0
                    April 11 2015 16: 12
                    Monkeys also survived, not knowing what morality is. And what follows from this? laughing
        2. -1
          April 10 2015 18: 13
          Quote: Pissarro
          After moral thought, it occurred to one of the rich old women to ax

          And what does atheists have to do with it?
          The impoverished student is completely in the grip of the idea that he endured in his sore brain over the past month of “underground” - to kill an ugly old woman and thereby change her life-destiny, save her sister Dunya, who is bought and wooed by the villain Luzhin and the lad.
          As it turns out later, Raskolnikov once wrote an article entitled “On Crime”, which appeared two months before the murder of Alyona Ivanovna in the newspaper “Periodic Speech”, which the author himself did not suspect (he gave to a completely different newspaper), and in which held the idea that all of humanity is divided into two categories - ordinary people, "trembling creatures", and extraordinary people, "Napoleons". And such a “Napoleon,” according to Raskolnikov, can give himself, his conscience, permission to “step over the blood” for a great purpose, that is, he has the right to crime. Here Rodion Raskolnikov asked himself the question: “Am I trembling or do I have the right?”
          Quote: Pissarro
          And the Church, just after the councils, tried to determine, not for itself, but for society, what is right and what is not

          In 1995, the archimandrite of the Pskov-Pechersk monastery Roman (Zherebtsov) put in the monastery caves a coffin with the body of Nikolai Gavrilenkov, one of the Tambov mafioso. Newspapers widely covered this event, emphasizing that the ancestors of Kutuzov, Pushkin, Mussorgsky were buried in the same caves. "The burial here of one of the leaders of the criminal group caused great indignation among the population of the Pskov region" (Izvestia, 7.9.1995). About the same: Why the bandit was made a saint? - Komsomolskaya Pravda, 7.9.1995; A criminal in a monastery tomb. - Moskovskaya Pravda, 7.9.1995
          1. 0
            April 10 2015 19: 08
            weren't atheists writing about their own moral thoughts? So I also gave an example of one such thinker, what’s wrong? smile
          2. +1
            April 10 2015 21: 49
            Regarding the Pskov-Pechersky monastery, I advise you to calm down the whole history and events of the facts you don’t know. Moreover, nobody made it holy anyway and even now they are burying the brethren. I am very interested in how you quickly found and remembered such a long-standing comrade!
    2. -1
      April 10 2015 17: 57
      Quote: scorpiosys
      It’s easier not to believe in God

      Is not a fact . For example, I could not come to him, although I was in many holy places around the country, I communicated with more than one minister of the church.
      1. +1
        April 10 2015 22: 49
        from experience, I advise you. it’s not necessary to go to all the monasteries. although there is a lot of good and useful things. You can find the essence in your hometown. Learn Orthodoxy what it is and why. Then you can understand everything yourself.
  23. +1
    April 10 2015 14: 14
    Of course, we must definitely! This is world experience. The priest is not only the conductor of religion, nobody is drawn into religion. A priest is a psychologist.
    1. 0
      April 10 2015 14: 34
      There are no good people, generally "too many". The bigger, the better.
    2. 0
      April 10 2015 16: 02
      Quote: Snow
      ... nobody is being pulled into religion ...

      Oh whether: "Churchmen declare about the need for baptism in infancy:"Do you have a baby? - Do not give time to intensify damage; may it be sanctified in infancy and dedicated to the Spirit from young nails"(St. Gregory the Theologian (+ 389), Word for Baptism)." About the sacrament of baptism: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=432&p=2
      1. +4
        April 10 2015 16: 10
        Talking about the need does not mean pulling. This is a personal matter with whom to communicate, and with whom not.
        It seems that you feel sorry if people will spiritually communicate with the Church.

        They also tell you about the need for vaccinations .. taking vitamins, the dangers of smoking, etc. Listen or not another question.
        1. -1
          April 10 2015 16: 21
          Quote: Snow
          It seems that you feel sorry if people will spiritually communicate with the Church.

          I would like for people to communicate not with the church, but with God, and preferably without intermediaries.
          By the way, the question: What church has an icon for God, so that you can turn to Him and what does it look like?
          The fact that 325 in the year (325 years after the death of Jesus) at the Council of Nicaea with a double margin recognized Jesus as God - this does not mean that the mortal became such. The creation of God cannot be God, just like a child in a sandbox making Easter cakes cannot become a Easter cakes.
          1. +1
            April 10 2015 17: 23
            a maniac who claims to be doing God's will, hears God without intermediaries just fits your description. An understanding of what is good and what is bad is not in the air. What happens to a society that refuses Christian attitudes (which were adopted as axioms just at the ecumenical councils) can be clearly seen in de-Christianized Europe, there is already norm and euthanasia children, and sodomism, and all possible perversions are different. Everyone decides what is God and what is not, without intermediaries. Other maniacs from overseas, their god with the help of bombers, claim that the third among the sands massively cut throats with the name of God. Therefore, a beginner who knows the Scriptures and the laws of the Creator needs a beginner as a child needs a teacher and educator.
            And your desire to see the icon of God speaks only of ignorance of His essence
            1. -1
              April 10 2015 17: 37
              Quote: Pissarro
              a maniac who claims to do God's will,hears God without intermediaries

              If you carefully read my posts, you would know that I affirm that God does not speak or write letters. He speaks to us in the language of life circumstances. Regarding the rejection of Christian attitudes - Are you talking about the 10 commandments?

              1 commandment: “I am the Lord your God ... May there be no other gods before My face” (Exodus 20: 2-3).
              2 commandment: “Do not make yourself an idol or any image of what is in the sky above, and what is on the earth below, and what is in the water below the earth. Do not worship them and do not serve them ”(Exodus 20: 4-6)

              Don't you think that the first and second commandments contradict each other?

              3 commandment: “Do not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not leave without punishment the one who pronounces His name in vain ”(Exodus 20: 7).

              Does the Lord God have a name? and what's his name? Why is it forbidden to be in constant dialogue with God?

              4 commandment: “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Work six days, and do all your work; and the seventh day is the Sabbath to the Lord your God: do not do anything on this day neither you, nor your son, nor your daughter ... For in six days the Lord created heaven and earth, the sea and all that is in them; and on the seventh day he rested. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it ”(Exodus 20: 8-11) ..

              "Everyone who does work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death" (Exodus 31: 15).

              5 commandment: “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged on the earth which the Lord your God gives to you” (Exodus 20: 12).

              "If your relatives urge you to worship other gods ... then kill them ... stone them to death" (Deuteronomy 13: 6-10).

              6 commandment: “Do not kill” (Exodus 20: 13).

              "But in the cities of these nations, which the Lord your God gives you for possession, do not leave a single soul alive ... as the Lord your God commanded you" (Deuteronomy 20: 16-17).

              "... do not be afraid of the people of this land; for they will go to us to be devoured" (Numbers 14: 9).

              7 commandment: “Do not commit adultery” (Exodus 20: 14).

              "... but all the female children who have not known the male bed, keep alive for yourself" (Numbers 31: 17-18).

              8 commandment: “Do not steal” (Exodus 20: 15)

              . "... your God will bring you into the land that He swore ... to give you with big and good cities that you did not build, and with houses filled with all good things, which you did not fill, and with wells carved out of stone, which you did not hew, with vineyards and olives, which you did not plant, and you will eat and be satisfied "(Deuteronomy 6: 10-11).

              9 commandment: “Do not bear false witness against thy neighbor” (Exodus 20: 16).

              "If you hear about any of your cities, which the Lord your God gives you to dwell in, that wicked people have appeared in it ... saying:" Let us go and serve other gods whom you did not know "... then ... smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, give it to the curse and everything in it, and its cattle with the edge of the sword; gather all the booty in the middle of its square and burn the city and all its booty for a burnt offering to the Lord your God ... "( Deuteronomy 13: 12-16).

              10 commandment: “Do not desire your neighbor's house; do not desire your neighbor's wife ... nothing that your neighbor has ”(Exodus 20: 17).

              “And they cast a spell upon all the cities, men and women and children, and left no one alive” (Deuteronomy 2:34).



              A step to the right, a step to the left, a jump in place - death, death, death ... Just some kind of shiz ...
              1. +2
                April 10 2015 18: 36
                a textbook on quantum physics at first glance is also a schiz, I do not argue.
              2. +1
                April 10 2015 19: 05
                ohhh darling you mixed here. separate the old from the new testament and everything will normalize
                1. -3
                  April 10 2015 19: 47
                  Quote: monastery
                  ohhh darling you mixed here. separate the old from the new testament and everything will normalize

                  Are you so trying to edit the Bible? And let me find out - on what basis?
                  The quotes I have quoted are all from the Old Testament - from the five books of Moses.
                  1. +1
                    April 10 2015 21: 41
                    OLD TESTAMENT OLD. The SAVIOR gave a new understand NEW they need to live!
                  2. +1
                    April 11 2015 03: 06
                    Based on the Sermon on the Mount, for example, where the New Testament was separated from the Old. It's simple, you don’t need to edit anything. If you are talking about Christianity - this is to the New Testament. Judaism, for example, is exclusively the Old Testament.
                    For Christians, the Old Testament is relevant in the sense that it explains the "new rules" that were introduced with the coming of Christ. But at the same time, there are many references to stories from the Old Testament.
          2. +1
            April 10 2015 22: 10
            your error is understandable. At the council they voted because of a heresy which some supported.
            quote. you are Bozi natures and sons of the highest vsi. God in your neighbor, if you need an icon, then this is the savior of CHRIST.
      2. +1
        April 10 2015 17: 40
        Contrary to your parent’s will, no one will baptize your child, do not invent
        1. -2
          April 10 2015 17: 47
          Quote: Pissarro
          Contrary to your parent’s will, no one will baptize your child, do not invent

          You are about this: "Do you have a baby? - Do not let the damage increase; let it be sanctified in infancy and consecrated to the Spirit from young nails."

          If the parents are believers, are they not afraid of these words from their spiritual mentors? What sane parent would want to "amplify damage" to their child?

          People are managed both structurally (fell here - pressed out there) and structurally (the above passage).
          1. +2
            April 10 2015 18: 09
            All faithful parents baptize their children voluntarily and willingly. Moreover, they first have a desire to baptize, and then only they see the priest with whom they are going to agree on this, they don’t hear any words in advance.
  24. +3
    April 10 2015 15: 14
    The monument in Maloyaroslavets is called "Regimental priest", the prototype was the regimental priest Vasily Vasilkovsky. And I still do not undertake the reliability, but somewhere I read a phrase supposedly belonging to G.K. Zhukov "There are no atheists in the trenches."
  25. +4
    April 10 2015 16: 08
    I am completely for regimental priests, the soldier is not a robot, he has spiritual needs, he needs psychological help, and the state and army have an ideological component. What an army is turning into without ideology or with a man-hating ideology can be seen by looking at the moral component of the Armed Forces and the drunkenness that accompanies it, rape, robbery, etc. But the main thing is zero morale.
    But this topic here on the eve of the main Orthodox holiday is harmful and provocative, why is religious srach before Easter?
  26. wanderer
    +3
    April 10 2015 16: 51
    I caught a glimpse of the comments ... opinions are different. Why?
    I think many have not yet understood, or simply do not want to understand:
    - THAN THERE WAS FAITH IN GOD FOR RUSSIA ... at least in general terms.
    - WHAT THE FAITH IN GOD GIVEN TO THE RUSSIAN WARRIORS IN THE FIGHT AGAINST THE MONGOL-TATAR YIG, SWEDEN, FRENCH, FASCIS, and with all sorts of adversaries who, like locusts, climbed into Russia for the purpose. make us slaves.

    Who does not know, from the beginning I advise you to figure it out, ...... and then write your comments.

    no offense.
    1. -2
      April 10 2015 21: 32
      Iga was not, has long been proven. Read the literature.
      1. +1
        April 11 2015 04: 19
        Who is proven?
  27. +1
    April 10 2015 17: 28
    let three tents be built in places of deployment in one, let the icons and the Bible, in the other the Koran and rugs, the third for Buddhists.
    1. +2
      April 10 2015 17: 57
      Quote: ovod84
      let three tents be built in places of deployment in one, let the icons and the Bible, in the other the Koran and rugs, the third for Buddhists.

      And the fourth with women for unbelievers. What people do you think will be more? laughing
      1. +1
        April 10 2015 18: 14
        if you’re in a fight tomorrow, it’s unlikely to go to the broads. They won’t save you from the bullet, and those that are in the other three tents bully
        1. +3
          April 10 2015 18: 23
          They will save from the bullet: good military training, good weapons and armor, but not faith in the supernatural.
          1. +1
            April 10 2015 18: 34
            no training, weapons and armor will save you from a stray bullet in the eye, from a random projectile, and God can
            1. 0
              April 10 2015 18: 46
              Can you give an example? From authoritative sources.
              1. -1
                April 10 2015 19: 12
                an example of what? A shell that fell not in yours, but in a neighboring trench?
                1. +1
                  April 10 2015 20: 06
                  ?
                  Quote: Pissarro
                  an example of what? A shell that fell not in yours, but in a neighboring trench?

                  In your opinion, was an atheist or unworthy to live in a nearby trench? And if everything is wrong?
                  1. +1
                    April 10 2015 20: 29
                    In the trenches, as you know, there are no godless people. But the shell chose his trench, not yours. And the answer is why everyone will find for himself
                    1. -2
                      April 11 2015 07: 52
                      You're lying again. It should be a shame, Orthodox
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              2. 0
                April 11 2015 04: 03
                An authoritative source is an Afghan who managed to return alive from hell, Viktor Nikolaev
          2. +2
            April 10 2015 22: 12
            Fyodor Ushakov had training and Suvorov had, Nevsky had a sword and armor, but this did not prevent them from believing in God and hoping for His help. Walk on the ground, poured with the blood of Orthodox soldiers, the writing that the Orthodox monks gave us use! And reproach Orthodoxy! Enough, have a conscience! Especially on the eve of the Holy Resurrection of Christ!
            1. -1
              April 11 2015 07: 55
              Tell me, does your god not punish you for lying?
      2. +3
        April 10 2015 21: 31
        And what if not the Orthodox created our Russian state, united the Slavic lands, princes, people, gave us written language, fought for us. Dmitry Donskoy, A. Nevsky, F. Ushakov, But Suvorov, can you list all of them? The Romanov dynasty from Patriarch Filaret began. Even the Red Empire Seminar created. Why do you have Boris 55 so much anger against the Orthodox, the Orthodox will never go against Russia
        1. +2
          April 10 2015 22: 29
          Quote: Bijo
          Orthodox will never go against Russia

          It's a question of time .....
          1. 0
            April 11 2015 21: 12
            Are you sure that the Orthodox priest is in the photo? Because the clothes on him are Orthodox?
            In Ukraine, the situation is complicated: many fathers of the UOC of the Moscow Patriarchate are led by ideas about the identity of Ukrainians, who should have their own church. The UOC of the Kiev Patriarchate, led by the notorious Filaret, announced their independence a long time ago, but this is a non-canonical branch, and no Orthodox churches in the world have recognized this, on the contrary, Filaret was declared a raskolnik. The same thing is happening now: many priests who recently submitted to the MP suddenly believed in the special mission of the Ukrainian people who needed their own church and began to support the ATO. Man is weak, and many of the clergy are no exception. In the photo - one of these priests. But an Orthodox Christian, a person who eats by no means Orthodox, (but fratricidal) ideas, will not be, even if he wears such beautiful clothes.
        2. 0
          April 11 2015 00: 57
          Well, don’t do it so sharply! What makes you think that non-believers in THEIR do not like Russia? It is far from a matter of religion and state. device !!!
        3. -1
          April 11 2015 07: 56
          And you're lying again. Is it a feature of all Orthodox people or are you standing out from the general crowd?
  28. +3
    April 10 2015 20: 46
    there are no atheists in the war! and the institute of army priests is needed, I think. our soldiers always went to battle with Faith. is always!
  29. -2
    April 10 2015 21: 37
    And my faith is now Right-Glorious, that is how it sounded before the baptism of Russia by fire and sword.
  30. -3
    April 10 2015 21: 53
    Before the revolution, the existence of God was legislatively fixed, therefore the vast majority were Orthodox, it would seem a moral idyll, but where did the white-red terror come from, with its skin torn alive, organs in the mouth and rupture of generals' bodies by the people on the street? If the character or upbringing does not allow you to think normally, then please believe as much as you like, but do not shove it into all the cracks. And then our state seems to be secular, and the church everywhere pokes its nose and it is publicized on state channels, that's in the army too. Airborne, inflatable and floating temples is this normal? A religious worldview has historically formed before the scientific one, so this is a step backward. Article minus. And if you don’t want people like me to write such dangerous things here, then you don’t need to post religious articles.
    Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.
    But please see what a respected WWII veteran, academician and professor of philosophy thinks about this.
    1. +4
      April 10 2015 22: 47
      "If your character or upbringing does not allow you to think normally, then please believe as much as you like, but you don't need to shove it into all the cracks."
      Well, why did you say that? So the Orthodox are spineless and ill-mannered, where did such conclusions come from? Why do you communicate this way? You some atheists know how to think normally? When you say atheists about believers, immediately draw an analogy with the IS, but no one compares you to atheists with LGBT people, although some atheists are there. The church has the right to offer its assistance to any public institutions of the state and to have its position on all all socially important issues.
    2. +1
      April 10 2015 23: 01
      the opinion of one scientist is permissible. I do not collect the opinions of many more competent people who have the opposite point of view. It was tempered by Soviets in the dashing thirties. It’s a pity not astalost hardened before 17 years. I would have heard a huge difference.
    3. Alexey K.
      +4
      April 11 2015 01: 07
      The bow to the veteran and respect for defending his homeland, but he is not the ultimate truth. look at the history of Russia and many Russian soldiers will say the opposite, that God kept them and helped to conquer.
    4. +3
      April 11 2015 04: 21
      If character or upbringing does not allow you to think normally, then please believe as much as you like, but do not shove it into all the cracks[i] [/ i
      People who "character and upbringing does not allow thinking normally" (see picture)
  31. +2
    April 10 2015 22: 07
    I don’t understand atheists, well, you don’t believe in God, well, don’t believe. Or, perhaps, it would be more correct to say in the words of one of the characters in the film "Beware of the Car" "everyone believes, only one that He is, and others that He is not .."
    Well, there’s a priest, a mullah, a rabbi or some Dalai Lama, well, he’s walking by, doesn’t touch you. No, atheists must necessarily declare their right not to see the faithful and their symbols of the cross, crescent or star of David. For some reason, I, the Orthodox, do not bother me, if a Muslim green keychain with Arabic script is hanging in the driver’s minibus, I don’t know how they call it correctly. And I will calmly sit down and ride the minibus, even if the Muslim driver was praying on the rug before the trip, and even if I saw it. I’ll even say more, I don’t care what car the patriarch drives, and what kind of watch he wears, just as I don’t care what the chief mullah and the rabbi ride, what they wear and what they eat and what they drink. This is not the case, it is not going to them, but to God.
    1. -1
      April 10 2015 22: 42
      Quote: Slovek
      I don't understand atheists

      Here, our pokosnye Orthodox and put everything upside down. The essence of the dispute was initially that if priests were to be introduced into the army, that was all.
      1. +3
        April 10 2015 23: 02
        I completely agree! At the end of the Orthodox seminary, he was drafted into the army, after the PTK at a permanent duty station, foreman Semenyuk, checking the WB and seeing the profession in the column, the clergyman smiled, called the conscript by the name Magoramov and said: they sent a priest (although I was just a seminary graduate), therefore, either he baptizes you, or you circumcise him))) further in the service we prayed in turn in the same closet, again with the permission of the foreman, he is a prayer, I’m the morning rule) All that noise is not necessary, especially for people familiar with the practical side oh faith ...
      2. +2
        April 11 2015 00: 40
        I agree! A soldier of any faith should have the opportunity of spiritual nourishment at the cleric of his faith.
        As well as an atheist is not necessary to participate in this.
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  33. 0
    April 11 2015 06: 03
    I did not read the branch.
    My opinion is that there is nothing for the church in the army to do-earn bonuses. Jesus taught - a temple in the heart.
    How much does it cost to baptize in your area? And where is the money, to the estate of Vladyka or to another Merc?
    Yes, there are really normal ministers of the church, but they are few and do not hold posts in the hierarchy.
    1. 0
      April 11 2015 21: 01
      The church has always been in the army. Even when faith was officially forbidden.
      As for the money, where - think about how much it costs to heat the church in winter, and how much of this money will then be left for Vladyka's Mercedes.
  34. -2
    April 11 2015 09: 21
    Quote: Slovek
    there comes a priest, a mullah, a rabbi or a Dalai Lama of some kind, well, he’s walking by, he doesn’t touch you. No, atheists must necessarily declare their right not to see the faithful and their symbols of the cross, crescent or star of David.
    1. +1
      April 11 2015 20: 55
      Among scientists, no less, if not more, were believers.
      So for any quote from an unbelieving scientist, you can find a quote from a believer. Please, the words of the Soviet (!) Academician Pavlov:
      Acad. I.P. Pavlov: “I study higher nervous activity and know that all human feelings: joy, grief, sadness, anger, hatred, love, human thoughts, the very ability to think and reason - are connected, each of them with a special cell of the human brain and its nerves. And when the body ceases to live, then all these feelings and thoughts of a person, as if breaking away from the brain cells that have already died, by virtue of the general law that nothing - neither energy, nor matter - disappear without a trace and make up that soul, an immortal soul that the Christian faith professes. "
  35. -2
    April 11 2015 09: 44
    Quote: Alexey K.
    look at the history of Russia and many Russian soldiers will say the opposite, that God kept them and helped to conquer.

    What god did you go to Constantinople? So who then and earlier helped to win?

    Quote: Bijo
    So the Orthodox are spineless and ill-mannered, where did such conclusions come from?

    I explain. I did not draw such conclusions, I just pointed out the influence of religion on this. Often religion is not chosen. You’re petty, when you don’t realize anything and don’t remember, you are baptized, and then you are confronted with the fact and educated to rely on God in difficult situations: if you get sick, then you need to pray and you will heal faster, if something does not work out, then you need to pray and that's it will turn out, etc. and then that part of the character becomes. Obviously, believers are capable of selfless acts. But this is not their feature. There is already a difficult question, sociological wilds, which I am unfortunately not strong at. Although to take the example of the USSR, the vast majority were materialists, there were many military and labor feats. It is difficult to argue about this because the church is built in such a way as to dodge under any reproaches, but I believe that this is a step backward in the development of mankind, a brake on progress. But unfortunately this is beneficial for the state, which is why we are witnessing the flourishing of ignorance.
    1. +2
      April 11 2015 20: 48
      What god did you go to Constantinople? So who then and earlier helped to win?
      You deliberately "pulled" this event out of the history of our country. Let me remind you that in those days Russia was pagan.
      After the adoption of Christianity in 988, there were many other battles, the contribution of Christianity to which is enormous. For example, the Battle of Kulikovo (remember the monk-warrior A. Presvet), the Battle of Neva (A. Nevsky, glorified in the face of saints) of the Great Patriotic War 1812 (M. Kutuzov was glorified in the face of saints of the Russian Orthodox Church). During the Second World War 1941-45, religion was officially outlawed, but for some reason it was from the Soviet soldiers who went through the horrors of the war that many wonderful Soviet priests came out.
      You ignore these facts.
  36. chemist
    0
    April 12 2015 02: 50
    There were no atheists in the USSR. Without exception, all were believers. They believed in the party, communism. They believed not in reason, but in heart, soul. Unfarm the one who at least once doubted this.
    I do not envy the soldier in the ranks (from the photo) who would be an atheist and refuse to kiss the cross (or icon). His service would be turned into hell by his own faithful colleagues (with the help of higher commanders)
    1. +1
      April 12 2015 15: 48
      Yes, any Masulman, Buddhist or Jew can easily not kiss the cross and there will be nothing to him. Don’t think up, we have a multi-confessional country and everyone respects our differences. The task of the company commander is to know about the religion and nationality of his fighters. When the priest came to us with the unit, only Orthodox Christians stood on the parade ground from our company, the rest were scattered about according to the orders, and no one crossed the cross to the Masulman