What will replace the AK-74?

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Not so long ago, all our compatriots who have at least something to do with the army or production weaponswere literally stunned thundered news - AK-74, the former main weapon of the Russian soldier for the past almost four decades, will no longer be purchased from the Izhmash plant.

Such a statement was made and supported by several arguments. First, at least six million AK-74 units are stored in military warehouses. According to some experts, this weapon will be enough to supply the regular army for the 10-15 years. Secondly, this machine gun, which took part in almost every major conflict that has taken place on any continent over the past four decades, is morally obsolete. Its low accuracy of combat, as well as poor performance when firing bursts, are no longer satisfied with the Ministry of Defense.



Well, maybe it is. Here are just the same arguments can be considered from a different angle. Is six million units enough on 10 years? Quite possible. But this statement turns out to be true only if it is calculated from the point of view of a peaceful, civilian person. Will this weapon be enough in a global military conflict? Most likely no. Or do the generals expect to print long-term storage warehouses that store hundreds of thousands of Mosin rifles, SKS and Degtyarev machine guns? Quite possible. That's only if the AK-74 can be considered obsolete, is it possible to say the same about the weapon that was created in 30-80 years before it?

Of course, many experts argue that now the time has long passed when everything was decided by a simple number of soldiers, as it was during the Second World War - after all, now there are high-precision missiles, a multiple launch rocket system, airplanes with powerful equipment and so on. However, even then, in the 30s and early 40s, some experts argued about the same thing, looking back at the First World War and a number of other conflicts (such as the Civil War in Spain), argued that Tanks, planes and artillery will completely change the course of battles. But then they were wrong, and the queen of the fields - the infantry - bore the brunt of the Great Patriotic War. Will this happen again today?

Yes, perhaps, AK-74 is outdated and its time to change. That's just what to change? Of course, AH-94, also known as Abakan, demonstrates better results. That's just his accuracy slightly compensates for the complexity of the design. But for an ordinary soldier, a machine gun would be much better suited to shoot, even if it was dropped into mud, sand, water, marsh, after which you could pick it up and continue shooting. Of course, American weapons such as M-4 demonstrate far better results during shooting ranges when compared to AK-74. Only the best results are demonstrated ONLY during shooting ranges. When there is an opportunity to calmly disassemble the automatic carbine slit on a special table, clean and assemble again. Is it possible to do the same during a fight or just in the middle of a swamp? Hardly. But AK-74 allows you to do this. Yes, and this has to be done much less often - any sand is simply ground into dust, getting into the mechanism, and the branches - into chips, just thrown out by the slide frame when fired. But it is precisely the reliability and ability of the machine gun to fire in ANY conditions that is one of the main requirements that modern weapons must meet. And AK-74, in contrast to the overwhelming majority of Western weapons, fully meets this requirement.

However, it is worth returning to the question of finding a replacement for the famous automaton. "Izhmash" agreed with the requirements of the Ministry of Defense, asking to issue a certain amount of research. Alas, this request was not satisfied. Moreover, Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov "reassured" the specialists, stating that if Izhmash could not create weapons that satisfy the demands, then the automatic weapons, like sniper rifles, would be purchased in the west. This can only mean one thing - the Russian weapon, which was rightly considered the best in the world for many centuries, will be forgotten. It is quite clear that if the Russian army does not arm itself with Russian weapons, it will not be produced. It is quite understandable what effect this will have. A unique school of Russian gunsmiths will be destroyed by their own government.


AK-74M


However, it is not yet known what exactly Western weapons will be purchased. Some experts look with hope at samples of domestic weapons. It is possible that the same AK-74М, equipped with a bar for optical sights, will be able to meet the requirements of the Ministry of Defense, at least partially. As practice shows, the installation of simple collimators allows you to increase the firing distance to 2 times. In this case, targets will be confidently hit at a distance of 500-600 meters. If we consider shooting without optics, then this distance is reduced to 300-400 meters.

The problem can be solved even easier - the old AK-74 can be equipped with an aiming bar, which will allow to install optics on them. This will at least give time to domestic designers to create new models of small arms. It is quite clear that if a massive purchase of weapons for an army abroad begins, a bold cross can be put on Russian arms.

In July, 2011, the first deputy general director of Izhmash, Maxim Kuzyuk, stated that the concern was developing a new machine gun, which differs from the classical Kalashnikov machine gun scheme. What is meant by this, Kuzyuk did not specify, but noted that the new machine "will be able to compete with the most modern analogues of small arms in the world." According to the program, new weapons will be created from scratch. "We have an army, ground forces, special units, and all have their own requirements. And to create such a platform that will fulfill various tasks and objectives, this is our priority task," said Kuziuk.

Therefore, all that remains is to hope that the ministers will still come to their senses and be able to evaluate all the consequences of their decisions.
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  1. Owl
    +27
    29 September 2011 08: 40
    The "goyushnik" soldier does not shoot as often as they want to convince the country by showing it on TV, this soldier has enough AK, the "partisan" called up from the reserve for training or "war" also needs nothing but AK. "Specialists" need a reliable weapon, and in terms of reliability, "Kalashnikov" is out of competition (my AK got overwhelmed only by a strong explosion of a land mine, consisting of 2-3 artillery shells and I almost didn't need an assault rifle, he was almost dead). In the country, it is first necessary to restore normal ammunition production, increase the range of produced weapons (different calibers, attachments, etc.), then it will be possible to develop and adopt new models of small arms.
    1. Phoenixl
      -11
      29 September 2011 08: 53
      Shooting on the program is not so rare. In general, I don’t want to shoot.
      1. Owl
        +7
        29 September 2011 09: 17
        Near my duty station is part of the air defense, soldiers and officers shoot 2-3 times a year.
        1. Phoenixl
          0
          29 September 2011 10: 26
          From SAM, it’s possible, but not from small arms
          1. 0
            30 September 2011 12: 22
            Can a question - served?
            but somehow strange ...

            We are on planet Earth, and where are you from? )
          2. raf
            +1
            1 October 2011 00: 45
            I served in the air defense (though long ago, 86-88gg), and so we shot 9 rounds every half a year! And half of the term my personal weapon was SCS, which was older than me (1957 release)!
        2. +2
          30 September 2011 20: 52
          we bought computer simulators you shoot indoors and a pleasant female voice tells you whether you got it or not :) THERE WOULD be in a war like that, but the whole incident of the situation is that in a war there’s not a damn thing and there are no women around (unfortunately) tongue
      2. 0
        29 September 2011 14: 14
        I don’t remember something, for the service (then 2 years old) I shot and a half horn, but I washed the plates for a hundred regiments. No. wink winked
      3. +7
        29 September 2011 14: 29
        For Phoenixl,
        I don’t remember something, for the service (then 2 years old) I shot and a half horn, but I washed the plates for a hundred regiments. wink
        1. +10
          29 September 2011 15: 01
          I went to the 2 service year once for shooting, before the oath, and shot all 9 cartridges wink
          1. 0
            29 September 2011 15: 08
            Well, they trained snipers from us, and besides, the whole service went through training, they didn’t take me to the box, although I requested it. feel
        2. Phoenixl
          +2
          29 September 2011 19: 47
          Yes you trololo
          I’ve returned from the army for 6 months.
          There are no problems with ammunition, and even more so with ammunition in the army
          1. 0
            30 September 2011 00: 22
            It depends on where to serve, I am in the 26 division of the Premier League - in connection, and you?
            and the "trololo" are just those who returned from the army 6 months ago and served only a year, during which they only give a shot from the "Kalash"
            1. Phoenixl
              +2
              30 September 2011 09: 32
              Here it is not necessary to wind here
              I served in a tank brigade
              Our battalion for a year 2 times shot a staff and N number of times from an extra barrel.
              And it does not depend on the part where he served, everyone has one combat training program
              1. 0
                30 September 2011 10: 27
                One, but not for all. For communication, at least so it was with us, a completely different schedule. we did not go to the buildings, to the exercises, together with everyone to the galley - we ate in our cockpit, etc. and on the shooting, all the more unnecessary ...
                1. +2
                  3 October 2011 13: 00
                  )))) Ndaaa .. I served 85-87 a year in the Far East at the outpost, and so we there every week at our small shooting range from all types of weapons of the outpost shot, to vomit !!!
          2. +2
            2 October 2011 16: 02
            Phoenixl You’re a hot guy, you still haven’t cooled down from the army, there are probably no children yet, don’t worry so soon will pass. with DMB you. wink
      4. Isr
        Isr
        0
        10 March 2012 11: 25
        was at the officer training camp after the university, we, future lieutenants learned to shoot from ak, 5-7 rounds were issued, I would not say that we learned to shoot
    2. KASKAD
      +10
      29 September 2011 15: 07
      We need to make weapons available in the United States and then the factories will find sales and the quality will improve and new developments will go with that money.
      Here is the only true report on all TV, look how everything is normal for people

      http://rutube.ru/tracks/4403875.html?v=c18f6884e38cdab909b29909a9fc7bd3
    3. wladnik
      -3
      3 October 2011 20: 52
      It seems to me that they will simply rename AKM - "Kalashnikov" and its designs, into a different surname (as the liberal capitalist taught forelock) and will receive his services and rewards to himself.

      Today the fashion is special for RENAME!
      RENAME - this is used by political strategists as a way to evade punishment for crimes committed. And a way to cover up the criminals, because everyone is tied up, so they came up with: Not a Communist Party-A UNIT. RUSSIA, KGB in the FSB, POLICE = POLICE, .....
      IT did not start today! They have been using this for a long time.

      But we need a people's fair trial of the TRADITORS and CRIMINALS in the CPSU and the ED. RUSSIA
      in the KGB and the FSB,
      in the POLICE and now in the POLICE ...

      Renaming, as we see today, does not solve anything for a person, it is a NEW RETAIL METHOD, thrown by "smart" and mean fellow lawyers. Liberals rule and rule, and you / we are doomed to poverty .... and forced to endure their shame. For some reason, the power is for them. Probably because it consists of them.
    4. kesa1111
      +3
      5 November 2011 20: 04
      It is always necessary to develop, even if it is ahead of the whole planet. You probably know what actually happens. The military-industrial complex is "getting old", young people are learning languages, unfortunately already in silence (have seen and heard enough). An honest designer or a media worker is a loser. A neighbor who is a poor student can trade in apricots, but life is much better. You have to pay well first of all in KB.
  2. +13
    29 September 2011 08: 58
    Hearing yesterday on the radio ofigel first.
    Then put it mildly, exploded.
    Then he cooled down.

    Now I can calmly express my opinion.

    THE NEXT DISABILITY SOLUTION of our valiant manager of stools.

    Obviously stinks of the next "cut". "This is all bad, if we don't have our own, we'll buy it."
    THIS THEME STARTS TO DELIVER.

    "Firstly, at least six million AK-74 units are already stored in military warehouses. According to some experts, this weapon will be enough to supply the regular army for another 10-15 years."

    "Will this weapon be enough in a sudden military conflict that will sweep the entire country?"

    Of course, not enough. But I so quietly suspect that in addition to the above SCS, there are millions more AK-47 and AKM in the warehouses. Without data on these models, it is difficult to judge.

    A sudden military conflict ... Yes, which will cover the whole country ... I myself can hardly imagine such a thing. Only civil war in the head comes, but then the warehouses are clearly nothing to do with.

    Of course, Kalash is underdone. Undoubtedly. But still remains the best weapon for poorly trained formations. Everyones popular fronts and rebels there. This is a compliment, if that. Its simply insane reliability (in comparison with all kinds of M -..., for which it is necessary to keep a gunsmith’s equipment in every unit) is exactly what is needed in the event of a mass conflict, when Winnie the Pooh and all -all-all ...

    And about Mosin rifles. Well, lie. And it's good that they lie. Will be useful. And the SCS, too, is a good weapon. A trained person from Mosinka, if anything, blows off his head from such a distance, that Kalash and Emka will simply smoke aside along with their collimators. Checked more than once.

    The bottom line:
    Either another provocation, designed to "stir up" our defense industry, well, there have already been similar precedents, or Serdyukov once again showed that he was m% duck.

    If one option - well, the flag in hand. God forbid
    If option two ... the first time what?

    Postscript: even sometimes it touches the soul, well, what are these sheep that explode themselves never go where it would be nice to go? For Serdyukov, for example ...
    1. zczczc
      0
      29 September 2011 16: 03
      Banshee, "Checked more than once." - What is it like?
  3. lokdok
    +5
    29 September 2011 09: 21
    In my opinion, our defense industry needs to be stirred up, well, it’s impossible for centuries to release the same thing, it’s necessary to develop
    1. 0
      29 September 2011 23: 47
      Yes, of course, who argues? But first, you need to do something new, test-break-in, put in mass production, and only then remove the old weapons. But is there really nothing new right now?
      ... Yes, I know how many samples have been invented. And I know about "Abakan". But the same "Abakan" is expensive, complicated and not very reliable, it is not very suitable for our ordinary soldier; many samples exist only in experimental batches; and these are still Soviet developments. And most importantly: OUR - RUSSIAN - WEAPONS THE FELDMEBEL DOESN'T NEED - it will not bring that chic income to him personally, as purchases abroad.
    2. mind1954
      0
      30 September 2011 05: 40
      And you, in general, have an idea what the military-industrial complex is,
      what is development, what is production
      and in what condition are they?
      Do not, like a parrot, "revenge" with your tongue!
      There is a saying: Be quiet - you will marry a smart one.
      Achievement of "Glasnost" - one thought started up in my head,
      and even that is a stranger. Rather, voice it, as if someone had not overtaken.
  4. +18
    29 September 2011 09: 38
    bike about the Kalashnikov assault rifle and the lady

    We did not see each other for three years, and during this time she made a two-year journey across the oceans from Europe, Africa, South America to Antarctica, where she spent four months. The trip was sea, on a catamaran. The international crew of five. The two girls are Lena and the Austrian nurse, the guys, the captain is Swiss, the Dutch skipper, the navigator is German.

    They hired only a skipper, the rest were familiar and friends for a long time. And when they were off the coast of Africa, this incident happened. The catamaran was anchored off the coast, the crew was in the wardroom, and Lena, since she was part-cooked, stood in an apron by the table and chopped some vegetables with a sharp knife. Behind the peasants were messing around, puffing and shouting with something metallic.

    When something crashed to the floor, Lena turned around. On the table and in the hands of men, there were various parts from a disassembled Kalashnikov assault rifle. The second machine was lying on the sofa.
    - Where did you get this from? - a logical question was asked.
    “Yes, they bought it, in the market, just in case,” the captain answered.
    “We were told that the pirates were snooping around here,” the navigator added.
    “Ah,” Lena said, and turning she continued to cut vegetables.

    The pant continued, again some part crashed to the floor.

    - What is falling there? - without turning, asked Lena.
    “Well, we’ll take it apart, but we cannot assemble it,” the navigator said, trying to push the piston with the bolt into the receiver.

    Turning and looking around the flushed men, Lena offered her help.
    “Try it,” the captain said indulgently. The others smiled good-naturedly.

    Without removing her apron, Lena went to the table, and calmly, leisurely assembled the machine, made a control click on the ceiling and put it on the fuse and put it on the table. Then she returned to the kitchen table, washed her hands, and again set about vegetables. There was silence behind.

    “How do you know that?” the captain finally woke up from his hibernation.
    “What a question, anyone can do this, we were taught at school,” Lena answered turning.

    The guys sat side by side, crustacean red and looked reverently at Lena.
    “And the girls too?” the navigator asked, frantically trying to reduce the size of his surprised eyes.
    “And the girls,” Lena answered smiling.

    There was a pause. The captain jumped up and said:
    “And they still tried to fight against them, even if the girls know how ...” he did not finish the sentence.


    What am I talking about? We have been able to handle Kalash since childhood, and we love it, but what is it about? So M-16 is also not a girl
    1. Anatoly
      -1
      29 September 2011 10: 51
      Smiled! ....
    2. zczczc
      +1
      29 September 2011 16: 07
      Vadivak, yes, I remember, and at our place the girls in the school were disassembled / assembled for a while. Very successful.
      1. 0
        29 September 2011 23: 40
        And the military instructor allowed us liberties - and we dismantled and assembled AK blindfolded, or behind our backs, or with one hand, or together - each with one hand ...
    3. 0
      29 September 2011 23: 38
      Great !!
      Perhaps this is not a bike ...
      ... "trying to push the piston with the bolt into the receiver, the navigator said" - I especially liked it :)))))))))))))))))))))
      Thank you!
    4. HISP ELDERLY
      0
      9 October 2011 07: 53
      I agree with the Author of "Tales" Completely and completely! He served in the Airborne Forces 1973-1975 with AKMS 7.62. The AK-74 was shown from afar as a new and very secret weapon. In the 80s I got to the training camp for reserve officers (I thought I would shoot from this miracle 5.45) Dali "Kalash" AK-47 gray-haired from time to time On the list shot about 100 (test -10 rounds of 2 chest and a machine gun (Who served-Knows) The main thing "Old men "I tried and" put all the enemies "and there was still left for a control shot !!!!
  5. Superduck
    +1
    29 September 2011 09: 52
    As far as I know, the AK74 mobilization reserve exceeds the demand several times. Those. if it’s possible to arm reservists not only in Russia but also in China. Fucking to continue to buy these machines because the custom of this I do not know. MO needs a new machine - they put forward requirements for manufacturers, and manufacturers have the feeling that they are just waiting for a kick to start working. Of course, no one will withdraw it from service yet, I think that this will not happen in the Russian Federation until there is a transition to weapons based on new physical principles.
    The fact that units of increased combat readiness often need more "thin" weapons has been known for a long time, I think that the initiative is largely from them.
  6. +7
    29 September 2011 10: 33
    Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov “reassured” specialists, saying that if Izhmash could not create a weapon that meets the needs, then machine guns, like sniper rifles, would be purchased in the west

    that’s the reason, the stool and all the riffraff already lick at the kickbacks
  7. 0
    29 September 2011 10: 56
    I am in favor of the "theory of the great kick". Purchases of single samples give a good result, our military-industrial complex begins to stir. And it is imperative to buy in order to study (under Stalin they did this and made a big breakthrough). Even Mistral will be forgiven if Senit will be installed on our ships. But about the factory of modern sights, nothing is heard and that's bad.
  8. Ion coaelung
    0
    29 September 2011 11: 19
    Ak in the bullpup scheme - here you have the reliability, and more perfect in a number of indicators, and cheapness, since it is possible to redo the available ones!
    1. 0
      29 September 2011 23: 56
      And why the person was minus, why not? There is one in service with Finland, "Valmet" is called. A very decent car.

      The existing ones cannot be redone, of course, here Ion Coaelung got a little excited, but can such a scheme be invented? And the production basically will not need to be redone ...
      1. Superduck
        -1
        30 September 2011 00: 04
        In Ukraine, they made a bulpap from Kalash, 70% unification, but there were also disadvantages of this scheme, in terms of accuracy, a bulpap is not the best solution.
        1. Ion coaelung
          0
          2 October 2011 14: 34
          Not the best for accuracy, but the cheapest and easiest. Weapons are being adopted, (at least in the Russian Federation) always for cheapness and reliability. In my opinion, remaking an existing reliable trunk is much cheaper than releasing a new cool machine in a large circulation. With new usually special groups run around. Have a little good. And there are a lot of developments in the bullpup scheme based on the AK box, not only in our countries and the former USSR countries, but even in the west.
    2. Owl
      0
      2 October 2011 16: 57
      my friend (left-handed), when firing from the SVU-AS, received a blow to the jaw with the reload handle and after that returned to the old SVD
    3. valex
      0
      25 September 2012 01: 22
      What did you run into this bullpup? Have you ever tried to change the store, picking somewhere under your arm? Bullpup is good at the movies, looks cool, and so ...
  9. Splin
    +4
    29 September 2011 12: 09
    They put sights from SVD on night AKMN and AK-74N in the school and shot. Six hundred meters AKM was the best. Maybe it's time to return it?
  10. +5
    29 September 2011 12: 24
    Maxim Kuzyuk said that the concern is developing a new assault rifle that differs from the classic Kalashnikov assault rifle scheme. What this means, Kuzyuk did not specify, but noted that the new machine "will be able to compete with the most modern analogues of small arms in the world." According to the program, new weapons will be created from scratch. "We have an army, ground forces, special units, and everyone has their own requirements. And creating a platform that will fulfill various tasks and goals is our priority task," Kuzyuk said.

    Already there is, they do it in the carpet, AEK is called, it would have been used in the modular scheme, the class was ...
    And in general, the topic of changing the AK is already hackneyed, "yes, we are developing, but work is underway", so when they make or decide on a model, then such topics should be opened, and so "turning from empty to empty" ...
  11. +1
    29 September 2011 12: 26
    Well, since it so happened that they would not buy AK-74, they might pay attention to AEK or other models of automatic machines .... I am sure there are not so few of them
  12. +1
    29 September 2011 14: 27
    AKM is the thing when, after the AK-47 for the first time, I took it in my hands, I didn’t want to give it back
  13. ZEBRASH
    +4
    29 September 2011 15: 05
    I think the AK-74M is still a good option. And there is the 100th, soon the 200th series will be. So do not run into IZHMASH - the designer works well. And I personally like the AK-103 - I respect the caliber of 7,62. My dad (retired police colonel) told a story - he went to the training ground. They shot from different types of weapons, and, of course, from the AK-74. Then a dog ran up (some medium size), and began to rush at all. Dad's acquaintance (an excellent shooter) silently took the 74th and dropped 5 bullets into it somewhere. She had difficulty, but RUN. We decided to see how far she would run away. Thought it would fall soon. And she managed to escape belay That's what the 5,45 caliber is No.
  14. Ion coaelung
    +1
    29 September 2011 15: 11
    Zaminusali like a troll ... If only they spoke for what! Do you like "Thunderstorm" ??? Or what, please speak up, maybe I agree, or maybe I bet!
  15. Splin
    +2
    29 September 2011 15: 26
    There are people with combat experience on the forum. Let them share their opinions about the exploitation .. About optics and open sights (slotted and dioptic). The caliber of the cartridge is 5,45 or 7,62. In my scanty practice, I know that there is no better gap sight in close combat. During the exercises, adrenaline in the blood roamed and aiming with the M-16 is almost impossible (I even know that the shooting was idle). Kalash accuracy is certainly worse, but with the optics and skill (not 9 rounds in 2 years), I think this difference is fixable. And in melee he took off the PSO and use the traditional one.
    1. Superduck
      0
      30 September 2011 09: 48
      Is this the same teaching under Kutaisi?
    2. 0
      1 October 2011 01: 50
      And in melee he took off the PSO and use the traditional one.

      parisobach RIS + adapter "swallow - picattini" and attached ACOG and LCU ...
  16. Joker
    +3
    29 September 2011 15: 29
    Kalash of the hundredth series, namely AK-106 and AK-107, is a symbiosis of Kalash and AEK, that is, they have balanced automation. I think this is a promising option.
    1. Splin
      +1
      29 September 2011 15: 51
      I looked at the principle of AK-107 automation. Really not a bad replacement option. My classmates in the 96th offered similar schemes in diplomas. There was another version of the modernization of the AK-74 (AKM). But this version of the AK-107 is existing.
    2. +1
      1 October 2011 01: 56
      What to do it on? on imported machines from Germany? There are no new machines, where will the new weapons come from when the state stifles the plants with taxes and other fees such as housing and communal services (expanse for raiders), it should support everything, at least the design bureau, but what about us? All endeavors are stifled!
  17. aleksandr55
    +10
    29 September 2011 16: 13
    When the Kalash was put into service, the best front-line officers with the combat experience of the master of "fire" contacts, as they said then. But now who determined the need for such a replacement? The names are unknown. During the work of that commission, junior officers could argue with generals, therefore, "Kalash" was adopted and it became a symbol of Russia. Buying weapons abroad, our country will slowly but surely turn into a colony, because the army armed with foreign weapons depends on foreign supplies. Strange, such common truths are not known in MO.
  18. prunx
    +7
    29 September 2011 16: 15
    For the mass army, AK is the best that could be invented. In modern conditions, I would add to it a 1.6-point collimator sight (to solve the problem of reliable mounting) and, most importantly, a soldier with good fire training (a soldier must live at a shooting range for half a year). In the capable hands, AK is a terrible weapon and no futuristic body kit will solve this problem. The development of a new model, as one of the commentators above correctly said, must begin with ammunition.
  19. +3
    29 September 2011 16: 32
    In my opinion, they are simply knocking down our export potential ... Our generals will blot out ALL OURS !!! How to offer now: "Buy shit, we ourselves don’t need it." T90, Tiger, Kalashnikov - abroad quite competitive samples ... were ... and will be, if they are not played in shit ...
  20. Joker
    0
    29 September 2011 16: 52
    Speedy

    Here, IMHO, it’s not worth saying so clearly, we are looking at the result - T-90SM / AM, BMD-4ME (shielded), we bought a license for polyethylene armored plates, we will do it so that individual tablets are not yet received, but further development is underway on this topic, TIGER -M again with class 6+ protection. So until we boil, we sit quietly ..
    1. 0
      29 September 2011 18: 08
      I agree, but I’m not talking about that ... It’s necessary to stimulate who is arguing ... I’ve talked about rash decisions and statements ... Venezuela planted AK production, they didn’t manage to open it yet, but they remind themselves that comrade. Chavez thinks? ... With the Indians - the same topic ...
  21. Mahamont
    +7
    29 September 2011 17: 55
    With AK-74 practice is needed, not a balancing system. In training, our battalion (autobat) was fired twice a week for firing and shot at the horn first, then two later at the request they could add .. The officers were all after Chechnya and they trained us there. They shot very, very badly, I don’t remember when I missed. At the firing point, motorized riflemen were given points for the light. The hands themselves get used to the weapon and no balancing is needed, it only complicates the design.
  22. +3
    29 September 2011 19: 29
    Quote: Maamont
    The hands themselves get used to the weapon and no balancing is needed, it only complicates the design.

    100%
    1. Owl
      0
      2 October 2011 17: 00
      you need to learn to make a quick aimed fire with single shots, I saw a reserve officer (GRU) at a distance of about 50 meters, shot 10 rounds in 12 chest figures in 30-4 seconds, tore off one hole by 1,5 cm, the remaining 29 holes in silhouettes
  23. +1
    29 September 2011 23: 32
    Well, they’ll remove the AK ... And then what? In exchange, there are almost no samples of their own, and what is there has not been put into mass production. To buy from abroad? Oh well. Whatever AK is outdated, there is no replacement now.
    And Maamont is right. A soldier must be trained, then even obsolete weapons will be formidable.
    1. -1
      1 October 2011 11: 45
      Soldiers by soldiers, this is an understandable and very important matter, but new weapons are needed very, very very very ....
      Almost no samples of their own

      Umm, did the director of Kovrov or IzhMash report to you personally? Just because you don’t see a new weapon does not mean that it is not there.
      I have a good friend, writes articles to the magazine "Okhota", I somehow asked him if he had access to IzhMash or Kovrov, he said there is, communicates with people at work, well, I asked him if he asked about the military small arms, he immediately said without hesitation, TABOO and that's it, everything is classified and no one says anything to anyone!
  24. +1
    30 September 2011 16: 43
    A new machine is needed. (About the cheapness. Fighters can be armed simply with clubs will be much cheaper.)
  25. Mahamont
    +2
    30 September 2011 17: 22
    Or maybe Serdyukov, as he shot from him and didn’t hit, and he became insulted))
  26. -1
    30 September 2011 18: 07
    With AK-74, practice is needed, not a balancing system. In training, our battalion (autobat) was fired twice a week for firing and shot at the horn first, then two later, if desired, they could be added ..

    STOP STOP STOP !! Yes, it’s all very well and it’s correct that the officers were so well trained to shoot. But! If you take the same training systems and give them AEK, then imagine how much better they will get, what to create the density of fire, etc., etc. .............. the cartridge DOES NOT CHANGE !! So let's give the soldiers a better assault rifle (according to certain parameters) and they will shoot the same cartridges in the same amount.
    Let me give you an example: you are a courier, you have an 74 car of the year of manufacture, it rides on gasoline (for example, the brand 5,45x39), reliable, but not very fast, and here you are offered to transfer to a new car that is more perfect (in certain parameters) than the 74 car years, but she is united on the same gasoline brand 5,45x39 ......... what do you choose? IMHO!
    1. Mahamont
      0
      30 September 2011 20: 34
      For a professional army, toys are all wiser, but for a people’s army, it’s better that they haven’t come up with AK yet.
    2. 0
      1 October 2011 01: 59
      Aek is made in two calibers - 7.62 and 5.45 + trunks are long and short, I will not mention the models.
  27. 0
    30 September 2011 20: 55
    not one Serdyukov is not able to replace AK, because 5,45 and 7,62 cartridges were printed so much that you can’t shoot. A weapon is created (or replaced) under the cartridge, and not on the back!
    1. -2
      1 October 2011 10: 11
      That AEK goes under the cartridge of 5,45 and 7,62, that Abakan is under 5,45 ........ so why can’t it replace AK. I myself do not mind AK, as stated in the above
      for folk, better AKs haven't come up with yet.
      I completely agree, so I think the production of AK should not be closed forever
  28. panzersoldat
    +1
    30 September 2011 22: 50
    It's funny. Yesterday I watched the news from RUSSIA about special forces in Ingushetia and saw a Vintorez sniper, a PKK machine gunner, and a couple of machine gunners noticed AKMs. I wonder what it’s called, if even the elite units are armed somehow? How can you talk about AEK and Abakan, when not all have switched to 5.45 yet?
    1. -3
      1 October 2011 09: 58
      And I saw a rifle from Acuracy international in the show, by the sniper, and what? They choose their own weapon, which is convenient for them, these are not regular troops, these are special forces. Or do you propose to take away the 9mm "Vintorezs" from them, and force everyone to transplant them to 5,45?
      1. panzersoldat
        -2
        1 October 2011 13: 04
        I do not mind 9mm. I am against AKMs of the 50s.
        1. valex
          0
          25 September 2012 01: 33
          AKM's 50th anniversary is better than modern ones. Bullet 7, although it has a steeper trajectory than 5, but it is more stable. 5 ricochets from any obstacle, even from subtle branches
  29. Mahamont
    +1
    1 October 2011 18: 32
    I have a friend, a former special, who says they had Abakans and AEKs and a thunderstorm in their arsenal, but they only took them for firing, to indulge. In operations, if the situation did not require silent and flameless firing, they took AKMs or AK-74s, they do not fail during intensive firing, when a high density of fire is needed, for example, when you cover your comrades.
  30. Dr. Mortimer
    +1
    2 October 2011 10: 41
    AK is a promoted brand that can change only after the death of Kalashnikov! I myself live in Udmurtia. Duck M.T is dragged to all events, even for the opening of pigsties, and my grandfather, already over 90, would be left behind from his grandfather!
  31. Mahamont
    0
    2 October 2011 20: 51
    Maybe it's not the unreliability of new designs, but a habit. The Americans at one time were also reluctant to switch from M-14 to M-16, considering the old rifle the best weapon of all time, until the second went through a series of upgrades.
  32. +2
    2 October 2011 21: 18
    If our Minister of Defense is DEBIL and is trying to remove the AK-74 from us, then let's buy IZHAMI-12 caliber in hunting stores. And then we will arrange Pendos and Japanese and Chinese paradise life in our great land !!!!!
  33. +5
    2 October 2011 23: 52
    If from AKM to shoot at least once every two weeks, 10 rounds, then the majority of fighters develop sufficient accuracy by the beginning of the second year of service. At least at a distance of 350-400 m, almost all "repeaters" knock down a running target when shooting in a short burst (2-3 rounds). From personal experience.
    Given the reliability of AKM, it is hardly possible to think of the best for mass armies. You can upgrade the machine, improve ergonomics, improve sights, etc. but drastically increase the accuracy and range of aimed fire IMHO is possible only due to the simplicity and reliability of the machine. I think that for weapons of this principle of action, Kalash is close to ideal. You can improve certain parameters of this type of weapon but to the detriment of others.
    To improve all the basic parameters of weapons for a simple soldier, you just need to create different weapons on different principles. When the development of science and technology allows us to do this.
    And the agents of influence are out of the government! In sunny Magadan! Let there increase the gold and currency reserves of the motherland.
  34. +1
    4 October 2011 03: 23
    HUMAN words! ready!
  35. zavesa01
    0
    4 October 2011 12: 50
    gentlemen, with proper preparation and training, amazing results give the wicked musket about the reliability of this weapon in general is not worth talking about. There are still excellent trench machines called pps and pps. Yes, we can remove Kalash. Understand it was great in '47 it is time to produce and adopt something better.

    and I don’t understand how Sergeant Kalashnikov won a competition with Simonov, for example

    on shooting training I will say the following ship crews do not shoot at all, probably this is unnecessary
  36. Rosg
    0
    20 October 2011 19: 19
    There is nothing better than a Kalash. This weapon shoots in any contamination. Only after a strong deformation of the movable mechanisms the machine will end. It is easy to disassemble, clean, easy to operate. At distances over 200m from an open sight it is very difficult to hit, especially for an inexperienced soldier, but with the NSPU or shooting a collimator sight is a pleasure. It's better to attach optics and give additional stability to the AK than to buy NATO "shit". What's the difference? If you remove everything from the same American M4 or M16, then the AK is superior to them, especially in terms of reliability. accurate and accurate like the M16, but will not let you down in sand and mud, in heat and cold. The meaning of a weapon if it does not shoot? Moreover, these are assault rifles and they essentially do not use them at a distance of more than 300 meters, for this there is sniper rifles. This weapon is intended for an average range of combat. AK for all times, and Serdyukov just ask for more money for the purchase of weapons and for himself. He does not care about the army and what she, most importantly, his to Orman, he has only personal gain on his mind.
  37. Mr. Truth
    0
    21 October 2011 14: 33
    YouTube has ak-74 and 15 ares shots with 16 inch barrels of 200 or 300 yards at the extreme holes, the dispersion diameter is the same, while the return is less, by almost two joules and the energy sector is only 11 - 12 percent inferior.
    1. Rosg
      0
      22 October 2011 22: 07
      The American M16 is still more accurate. Accuracy is achieved by the small size of the bolt (that is, the mass of the moving mechanisms is less). When firing, the bolt gives a small impulse to the shooter (low recoil). The weapon is more stable and held in one position when fired. But when the M16 hits a foreign body, the mechanism just wedge. AK has a bolt carrier with a gas piston connected together, rather overall dimensions of the driving mechanisms, and hence the machine more "displaces" when fired. But the AK design is simpler and more reliable. In the army, in 9 seconds I disassembled the AKM-74, taking into account the unscrewing of the muzzle brake compensator. The M16 cannot be disassembled so quickly, you will lose something, since it has a lot of all sorts of little things during disassembly. In combat conditions, the AK removed the receiver cover and everything was in plain sight. Any malfunction can be eliminated manually and into battle. you are a corpse, too complex and capricious. Requires care and disassembly only at home, but not as during a battle.
      1. Mr. Truth
        +1
        8 November 2011 23: 44
        More precisely, only solitary.
  38. dred
    +1
    30 November 2011 17: 36
    Some Kalash 5,45 20 million in stock, not counting the good old Akm