The government of the Russian Federation is ready to set off work in military-industrial complex enterprises as military service for persons of military age

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Last week, the government of the Russian Federation published an instruction to the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Industry and Trade regarding the initiative of the idea of ​​allowing young people of military age to work in defense enterprises as a conscription service in the Russian army. At one time, such an idea was proposed by domestic industrialists due to the fact that with a shortage of qualified workers, not all young people can join the production process without “diverting” to service in the ranks of the Russian army.

Industrialists from the military-industrial complex have paid attention of the government to the fact that the average age of workers and engineers in enterprises is growing, and that it is necessary to create conditions for attracting qualified young people, without which the industry already in a few years runs the risk of intractable problems.

Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev listened to the arguments of industrialists and said that the task of attracting young specialists to defense enterprises is strategically important. As a result, after the meeting of the government in the city of Korolev, Medvedev's order was born, which in its final version looks as follows:

The Russian Ministry of Defense (S.S. Shoigu) to consider together with the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia and other interested federal executive bodies and organizations the possibility of introducing changes to regulatory legal acts in the field of military service on conscription (including Federal Law of March 28 1998 of the Year No. XXUMX-FZ “On Military Duty and Military Service”), including, but not limited to:

- granting deferment to graduates who are employed in the organization of the military-industrial complex on a full-time basis in accordance with the received specialty (qualification) immediately after graduating from educational institutions of higher education, which they graduated with honors or with good or excellent grades which they were trained on the basis of a contract on target admission (target training) for the duration of this work, but not more than five years;

- Ensuring the passage of military service upon the call of graduates of educational organizations who do not have the right to release or deferment of recruitment and who have started to work in accordance with their specialty (qualification) in the MIC organization whose activities are related to the creation (production) of weapons, military and special equipment in military units that operate these samples of weapons, military and special equipment;

- the creation of industrial companies (by analogy with scientific companies) that ensure the operation of complex types of weapons, military and special equipment in military units (in particular, the Naval fleet) or repair of such samples directly in the defense industry organizations (in particular, the shipbuilding industry), for military service at the call of employees of these organizations.

The results should be reported to the Government of the Russian Federation.

Deadline - November 2015 year.


As can be seen, the Russian government is going to monitor the implementation of work on replacing the classic military draft with a job in an enterprise of the military-industrial complex for young people of military age. The control is aimed at ensuring that at the enterprises of the sphere of the defense industrial complex there are no random people who got such a job just to avoid army service. In principle, the idea is very sensible. And quite capable of killing two birds with one stone. First, a young specialist employed by one of the enterprises in the defense industry gets an opportunity to work, as they say, without interrupting production, for military service, after which, as current practice shows, not everyone is ready to return to the enterprise. Secondly, the industrial sector receives additional prospects for attracting young specialists and avoiding the existing problem of a shortage of young engineering and working personnel.

The government of the Russian Federation is ready to set off work in military-industrial complex enterprises as military service for persons of military age


However, this initiative has its pitfalls. The government, of course, can afford to utter loud words that everything will be under control, the mouse will not slip through and everything like that, but we must assume that to solve this task - the task of full and effective contact between the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Industry and Trade - take a long time. In addition, I don’t want to talk about sad things, but the notorious corruption component in our country has not been canceled by anyone, which makes it possible for dishonest characters to arrange a “sale” of guarantees for deferment from the draft or its replacement by employment in the field of defense industry.

If the government finds the strength to build a high-quality system for setting off production activities in the defense industry as a conscription service in the Russian army, then such work can only be applauded. After all, it solves the problems of ensuring the growth of domestic industry, and increasing the number of jobs in the strategic areas of the economy, and at the same time increasing the defense capacity of the state. If we take into account that a reasonable (precisely rational - without being drawn into a ruinous and destructive arms race) investment in the military-industrial complex has always made it possible to give economic development an additional impetus, the new initiative has a special perspective.

If you again refer to the text of the instruction, you can wait for the appearance of the first industrial companies and the work credits at the military-industrial complex enterprises as military service, you can to the final stage of the autumn draft 2015.
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  1. +14
    23 March 2015 05: 38
    Correctly! Now a good turner is worth its weight in gold, and other Specialists with a capital letter, with the current demand for defense personnel, it is advisable not to be torn off from production. It was still practiced in the Patriotic War.
    1. +11
      23 March 2015 06: 31
      Correctly! Now a good turner worth its weight in gold

      It is necessary not only to attach young people to this turner, but also to interest this turner to share knowledge and experience. Why should he grow his competitors?
      1. +5
        23 March 2015 09: 32
        If the turner is overloaded with work, he will be interested in assistants. Now the military-industrial complex is growing, financing is underway.
        1. 0
          April 3 2015 17: 14
          Funding is coming, but salaries have been cut off (my friend’s son does SUSHKI)
      2. +3
        23 March 2015 12: 34
        Quote: Intensive
        It is necessary not only to attach young people to this turner, but also to interest this turner to share knowledge and experience. Why should he grow his competitors?

        In Soviet times, there was mentoring when a young worker was attached to an experienced worker. They paid for mentoring, but I do not remember exactly how much.
        About competition ... the old experienced worker is not afraid of this because until the young experience is gained, the old one will retire. This is on the one hand, and on the other, there were no reductions in the USSR and no fear of being left without work.
        1. Fin
          +1
          23 March 2015 15: 47
          During the Second World War it was called a reservation. Well, see the time has come.
          1. +3
            23 March 2015 17: 58
            Quote: Fin
            During the Second World War it was called a reservation.

            So the reservation still exists for some FSUEs.
            Yes, and it was under the Union. If you are an engineer or the Ministry of Taxes, you work for the war, for a month at the training camp and in reserve, forge the shield of the Homeland further.
            But in fact, the garbage article is all this. Now they serve the year, as in a pioneer camp crying The plant will live a year without an apprentice, and the attitude to those who have served is quite different, especially from the female sex. So who is watching, "did not serve, but why?" laughing
            In general, judging by such articles, our government cannot rise above the "buy-sell" level.
          2. 0
            April 3 2015 17: 19
            In 1977, I wanted to join the Army, to which I received an answer at the military registration and enlistment office: "Bring a certificate that your reservation was canceled. I went to VUSTol, and there:" We have no right, because you have the 4th grade. " from me a reservation, because the plant is military.
      3. 0
        April 3 2015 06: 24
        a good turner will always share experience
    2. 0
      23 March 2015 06: 31
      Correctly! Now a good turner worth its weight in gold

      It is necessary not only to attach young people to this turner, but also to interest this turner to share knowledge and experience. Why should he grow his competitors?
      1. +5
        23 March 2015 09: 09
        There is a nice premium for mentoring.
        And believe me, the same turners and welders have so much work that the word competition does not roll here
        1. 0
          23 March 2015 17: 34
          They try not to pay anything for mentoring. And even when they pay, it’s very bad. This is called payroll savings, for which the corresponding commander receives good bonuses.
          And the competition is extremely high: today work in bulk, and tomorrow - stamp over the fence ...
        2. 0
          April 3 2015 06: 25
          well done
      2. +7
        23 March 2015 10: 58
        in general, he is a turner and not a private entrepreneur. the more young people in the brigade who know how to work, the easier it is for him. but the question is understandable mentoring really needs to be encouraged both morally and financially. not my competence, but I will say this, 3 months with an intelligent mentor are more than 3 years in vocational schools.
    3. +7
      23 March 2015 10: 04
      Certainly correct, and certainly much better than an "alternative service" in some kind of hospice or mental hospital. Moreover, it is better for a conscript who receives a real profession, and not the skills of an office-plankton and for the state, I think there is no need to explain here.
    4. +10
      23 March 2015 11: 25
      Quote: kr33sania
      Now a good turner is worth its weight in gold, and other Specialists with a capital letter,

      But I don’t know a single turner of draft age who is already special. And therefore this idea of ​​the government is unlikely to help the defense industry to the extent they rely on. Shots do not appear from anywhere, they are prepared and the best shots come out of those that are prepared on the ground. Many people want to get a ready-made specialist very easily, without spending anything other than a promise not to serve urgent, and again it should be noted at the expense of those who will serve her. Government, damn it, are you there to think or what? You have the power levers of all kinds, to stimulate personnel training directly at enterprises, at the expense of the state, too, it’s permissible to train this student to work at this company for at least 10 years, it’s possible to list the options for the implementation of training for a long time, but it’s just not necessary to do something and do it real.
    5. +2
      23 March 2015 17: 23
      You didn’t read the article very carefully ...
      There is no mention of turners in it. We are talking only about graduates of universities who, having settled in a military factory in their specialty, will not go to serve in the army. Even if you graduated from a technical school and got a job at a military factory, you will simply be offered to serve in specialized troops ...
      About the workers who are now really worth their weight in gold, in the initiatives (what is highlighted in italics in the article) is not even mentioned ...
      As a result, everything will boil down to the fact that the bachelors of specialties such as "stylist-make-up artist", which are very necessary for the country, will legally deflect from the year of service ...
      Does anyone on the forum recall at least one sensible initiative voiced by Mr. () Medvedev?
      1. 0
        23 March 2015 18: 01
        Quote: uwzek
        Does anyone on the forum recall at least one sensible initiative voiced by Mr. () Medvedev?

        He can translate arrows laughing
      2. 0
        23 March 2015 22: 12
        Quote: uwzek
        There is no mention of turners in it. We are talking only about graduates of universities,

        If we are talking about an article, here is a quote:
        The defense industry industrialists drew the attention of the government to the fact that the average age workers and engineers it is growing at enterprises, and that it is necessary to create conditions for attracting qualified youth, without which the industry is in a few years at risk of facing insoluble problems.
        As for the quote from the order of the Government of Russia given in the article, yes, you are right. Well, in essence of your post I agree with you.
  2. +11
    23 March 2015 05: 39
    As long as we have a prestigious office worker among young people, it will be hard to urge young people to work in the military-industrial complex.
    1. +2
      23 March 2015 09: 43
      A. Sahibovich, correctly said ... hi
    2. Van
      +8
      23 March 2015 11: 08
      It's not about prestige, but banal about money. I live in St. Petersburg, there are a lot of factories working in the military-industrial complex. Do you know what they all have in common ??? Lack of normal earnings ... A year ago I myself was looking for a job, looking at vacancies at these factories ... this is darkness, it does not reach the average for the region by 30-50 percent, these are not figures taken from "official" sources, but my data as an employee interested in the highest possible earnings.
      I myself work in an import company, I work both with my head and hands, and if I had the choice to go to a plant or office similar to the military-industrial complex, it would definitely be an office. Even if the salary is the same, it is much more pleasant to earn hemorrhoids from sitting on a chair at the computer than the hump and a bunch of professional diseases from working at the factory ...
      1. -1
        23 March 2015 18: 13
        Quote: Van
        It's not about prestige, but trivial about money. I live in St. Petersburg, there are a lot of factories working on the military-industrial complex.

        I don’t know how in St. Petersburg, but in Moscow, hard workers at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex receive very differently. Moreover, it does not always depend on qualifications. "As you agree" (c)
        Here's the trouble with engineering. To a technologist the attitude, like a dog’s fifth leg laughing And the wages are appropriate. A closed circle - "we are not paid," "and you don’t do a damn thing." As long as there is an opportunity to shift to performers, highly qualified workers of retirement and pre-retirement age. But this cannot continue indefinitely, people leave.
      2. 0
        April 3 2015 06: 28
        scary?))) work?
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  3. +10
    23 March 2015 05: 46
    So they must first be prepared, young specialists, vocational education, then on their last legs.
    1. +1
      23 March 2015 06: 23
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      So they must first be prepared, young specialists, vocational education, then on their last legs.

      Everything is new - once forgotten old.
    2. Roshchin
      +4
      23 March 2015 09: 43
      I support your opinion: before you release you need to prepare and educate. And if a person has become a good specialist then release. However, corruption and impunity can all be multiplied by zero.
  4. sazhka4
    +14
    23 March 2015 06: 01
    For so long, persistently and stubbornly "kill" Education and Industry .. Now suddenly they grabbed their heads .. Fifteen years of reflection. Will not be too much ??
    1. +4
      23 March 2015 11: 48
      Quote: sazhka4
      Now suddenly they grabbed their heads ..

      It's just that a lot of people wanted to do as in the case that I will now describe: I am going to visit my son, it was 2000, through Peter, I stand at the bus stop, wait for the bus, smoke and read from having nothing to make announcements pasted on the post next to it, and so one says - "We will hire a plumber, higher education, knowledge of English, possession of a PC is required, wages are negotiable." I think to myself: "and on a fig goat a button accordion", a bus came up, I sat down and left, and already on the outskirts of the city I realized that the employer was a ram in what he was doing, but a cunning one, the plumbing was imported, very often terribly expensive and also for its installation sometimes needs a project (where it really is, and where it’s just to put up the dust), it’s costly to keep an engineer, an expert, a designer separately, so he is looking for people with all this knowledge and merits, but for the position of a simple plumber.
  5. Leonidych
    +2
    23 March 2015 06: 29
    and what's the point then in 25-27 years to join the army? it is necessary to give a delay of 7-8 years, and then this specialist will not even want to leave this enterprise if he still has an apartment and a good sn ...
    1. sazhka4
      +2
      23 March 2015 07: 36
      Quote: Leonidych
      and what's the point then in 25-27 years to join the army?

      This is not a respite. Counts as military service. Quite a reasonable proposal. And "mow" is not necessary, and the mind is typed. In any case, it will be difficult to serve without weapons.
      1. +1
        23 March 2015 16: 35
        And why the hell not to go to the army? This should be a deferment from the army. He worked until the end of the military age, get the service in offset. Otherwise, everyone will mow. And let the enterprise already think whether it needs specials or not. In general, the personnel department of the enterprise should think about the personnel, not the government.
        1. sazhka4
          +1
          23 March 2015 19: 42
          Quote: take-off
          Otherwise, everyone will mow.

          Do you think serving is easier ??? Well, you know .. Poking around in g - not in oil or in a box on the stringers, lie for a change, believe me, this is not the best case .. Sometimes the Army seems to be honey ..
        2. 0
          23 March 2015 21: 29
          Yeah, especially when a kind of Barbie sits in the personnel department (a lover of some of the directors), she’ll select specialists for sure-)))
    2. 0
      23 March 2015 10: 44
      "If he is still provided with an apartment and a good salary ..." then he will come without delay and will not leave.
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  6. +9
    23 March 2015 06: 41
    A young specialist should not only have "candy" in the form of armor from the army, how long do they serve there now? Year? Ugh what nonsense. But also the confidence that his salary will allow him to occupy a worthy niche in society. And not a year or two, but before retirement and retirement.
  7. 4445333
    +6
    23 March 2015 06: 48
    Again, dreams of a self-assembled tablecloth, you have to pay with dignity and you will have everything.
  8. +7
    23 March 2015 06: 52
    Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev listened to the arguments of industrialists and stated that the task of attracting young specialists to defense enterprises is strategically important.


    But they successfully destroyed the system of GPTU, SPTU, etc., "training courses" and forges of workers.
    Avsk
    1. 0
      23 March 2015 13: 19
      I would put a bunch of pluses, but it does not work out.
  9. +8
    23 March 2015 06: 59
    In order to count work at the enterprise of the military-industrial complex as service in the army, you must first have those who need to count.
    I once wrote that in Soviet times, large enterprises had their own vocational schools that trained specialists in various fields for this enterprise. Prepare the workers first, get them interested, and then you can count.
  10. +3
    23 March 2015 07: 27
    ... granting deferment of appeal to graduates employed in the organization of the defense industry on a full-time basis in accordance with the specialty (qualification) received immediately after graduating from higher education educational institutions, which they graduated with honors or with marks of academic performance “good” and “excellent” or in which they studied on the basis of an agreement on targeted admission (targeted training) for the duration of this work, but not more than five years;

    About the corporate component. I think the personnel of the plants will be extremely happy.
    What, the plant will not be able to accommodate all longing for a delay? No problem. In this case, there is a drinking uncle Vasya. It does not matter that his hands are golden, but there is always a reason to fire and replace with young boobies.
    ..providing military service upon the call of graduates of educational organizations who are not eligible for exemption or deferment from military service and who have entered the work in accordance with the specialty (qualification) received in the organization of the military-industrial complex, whose activities are associated with the creation (production) of weapons, military and special equipment in military units that operate these types of weapons, military and special equipment;

    If the guy works at the Kurgan plant and is not a janitor, a house painter, a joiner - it is possible. And if he is just like that? Or an equipment assembler at one of the Udmurt enterprises - who should take it in the Strategic Rocket Forces?
    This is just a couple of pitfalls. They, I believe, are much more in fact.
    1. 0
      23 March 2015 18: 19
      Quote: Moore
      If the guy works at the Kurgan plant and is not a janitor, a house painter, a joiner - it is possible. And if he is just like that? Or an equipment assembler at one of the Udmurt enterprises - who should take it in the Strategic Rocket Forces?

      All this indicates the level of competence of experts from the government. They also have bread rolls on trees.
      Although it happens in a different way. A friend graduated from MPEI on lasers, served at Kubinka (airfield) as a "jacket". Served these same laser sights. Until now, the impression is "just like that" (in a good way) laughing
  11. +3
    23 March 2015 07: 33
    No wonder there is a saying in Russia ... until the thunder strikes, the government does not cross ...
  12. +1
    23 March 2015 07: 33
    Actually, this is some kind of version of the so-called. "armor" that existed in the USSR. With regard to the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, it makes sense because there really are not many young people.
  13. sazhka4
    +4
    23 March 2015 07: 47
    There is only "little" left. These cadres are new factories to build. Interestingly, in Saratov, the shopping center built on the site of the Aviation Plant will be demolished ??? There was enough money and money to destroy the mind. And vice versa WEAK (((
    1. +3
      23 March 2015 12: 16
      Quote: sazhka4
      There is only "little" left. These cadres are new factories to build. Interestingly, in Saratov, the shopping center built on the site of the Aviation Plant will be demolished ??? There was enough money and money to destroy the mind. And vice versa WEAK (((


      Last year, Radaev and Chemezov seemed to have agreed on the organization of production on the territory of the old aircraft plant in Saratov. When I was there for the last time in 2013 / or in 2012 I don't remember exactly /. there was essentially a wasteland already. Local people said that IKEA land was sold. It is a pity that such a plant, the legendary Yak-42, in my opinion, was sold to almost all countries of the "third world". I wonder what is the fate of the "flying saucer" EKIP?



  14. +2
    23 March 2015 07: 50
    "... Secondly, the industrial sector gets additional prospects for attracting young specialists and avoiding the existing problem of lack of young engineers and workers."

    It's like, a young man can be said to be drafted into the army after school, he still does not even have a working profession, not to mention an engineering profession, who, for example, will he be at a factory if specialists in the field of metal cutting are needed there?
    1. +1
      23 March 2015 10: 09
      Will become a student, and do not forget that no one canceled brigade-production training.
    2. +5
      23 March 2015 10: 36
      And what's the use of a specialist in this profile? For example, in my university, such a discipline as a machine tool workshop consists in rewriting teaching aids and OBSERVING how a teacher works on machines, while students do not work on machines. Discipline metal cutting technology is a similar scribble, and even worse - students are given manuals and rewrite them ... they just sit in the teacher - this is how we do laboratory work, and they give us something useful on lectures ... but they go 1,5 , 15 hours ... once every two weeks ... one semester ... we do not even see the machines here in the pictures. And according to the same teachers, about 20-XNUMX years ago there was still a pilot production on the territory of the university and students not only underwent NORMAL training, but even received categories in the following specialties: turner, locksmith, milling machine operator, etc.
      1. +8
        23 March 2015 10: 41
        Yes ... How much vocational training has been brought in the country. In an ordinary rural secondary school in the 8th grade, I already learned to work on a turning and drilling machine, and we, the students, even carried out orders from the state farm for some simple-to-manufacture parts for agricultural machinery on these same student machines. And the most "advanced and clever" of the students (I did not belong to those sad ) even worked on a milling machine. It was in the 80s of the last century.
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      2. 0
        23 March 2015 11: 06
        excuse me for being blunt, but what's the use of such a specialist? will come to production and only there will learn something, over time. three of these are the same hard workers with experience and experience.
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      4. +1
        23 March 2015 11: 55
        Quote: Andrew
        And what's the use of a specialist in this profile? For example, in my university, such a discipline as a machine tool workshop consists in rewriting teaching aids and OBSERVING how a teacher works on machines, while students do not work on machines .


        It is possible (and necessary) to return to the Soviet system of technical colleges and universities again ... In the afternoon - at the machine tool, in the evening - at the desk ... However, the most important thing is that this option is not realistic despite the fact that large enterprises are owned by private capital ... Again I have to return to the idea that all industrial enterprises that have a huge impact on the country's security should belong to the state and be controlled by it ...

        Well, of course, you need to return the system of technical schools and vocational schools ... Again - private capital does not need this ... And now few people will go to them - there will be no guarantee after graduation in providing work ...

        So again we rest against the necessity of belonging of the main part of industry to the state ...
        1. +1
          23 March 2015 17: 49
          All industrial enterprises that influence the country's security are still owned by the state (100% of the shares), but this does not eliminate a single problem. Neither staff shortages, nor stupidity of management.
        2. 0
          23 March 2015 22: 48
          Therefore, it is worth introducing such practice (if there is of course a normal educational process, as I already said) as employment in the field of defense industry for graduates of universities, technical schools / colleges, vocational schools instead of serving in the armed forces (at the same time, some military training would be desirable at least 2-3 months) but at the same time increase the working time at such an enterprise to 3 years ... and those who just want to slope away from the army will decrease and most people will only begin to fit into the production process in a year of work ... but you can get a normal specialist gov rit until 2-3 years (not counting the study of the institution).
          It is also worth using the carrot and stick method. Decent salaries, the ability to continue working at the enterprise after the end of, let's say, alternative service and the desire of both parties, and something like a probationary period ... if a person showed his full prof. unsuitability then further as in the joke: "a bad student - a good soldier" ... at the gates of the enterprise so that the representative of the military registration and enlistment office would immediately meet.
      5. 0
        23 March 2015 18: 32
        Quote: Andrew
        m. And according to the same teachers, about 15-20 years ago there was still pilot production on the territory of the university and students not only underwent NORMAL training, but even received categories in the following specialties: turner, locksmith, milling machine operator, etc.

        My engineering teacher (MAI) told me that in their fourth year they were sent to a specialized plant (air engines) to work. She was a turner, of which she is still proud.
        Therefore, it is pleasant to look at the drawings of such constructors, and it is possible to work on them. They have an understanding of the technology. But the "opposite is true" too.
      6. 0
        23 March 2015 20: 21
        Nah, one simester ...
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  15. +3
    23 March 2015 08: 33
    Yes, good workers and specialists are worth their weight in gold now. My grandfather once worked as a blacksmith in Leningrad in a blacksmith's shop, when he died, for a long time the people walked with their orders. A lot of guys will bring more benefits while working in production than serving in the army. Skilled workers must provide a reliable rear, and this is a very important issue.
    1. +2
      23 March 2015 11: 46
      And where to get in 18 years of a good and competent specialist? It will serve a year, learn to hold the machine and return to raise the industry!
  16. +6
    23 March 2015 08: 38
    And why not come up with so as not to pay a normal salary, which you can support a family!
  17. +6
    23 March 2015 09: 11
    Medvedev in his repertoire. Enough to shake the air, and even better to retrain into managerial houses .... It is necessary to create a network of vocational schools in production, the master mentor must pay extra for training and reward separately for the qualifications of students obtained as a result of studies. Among young men of military age it is difficult to meet a specialist of high class. Everyone should serve, for the defense of the Homeland is the SACRED DEBT of every man.
    By the way, the training of labor personnel is not only the concern of the state, even private traders are bustling, otherwise the Soviet potential is not eternal.
  18. +5
    23 March 2015 09: 27
    To develop and raise production is the right thing. But nobody canceled the defense of the Motherland. An untrained soldier on the battlefield, "cannon fodder." Military training should go to every man, to one degree or another.
  19. Shevchenko st
    +2
    23 March 2015 09: 33
    Children and relatives of the ruling elite, which has destroyed the system of vocational training and ruined defense industry enterprises, are not to be assigned to banks and gasprom to work, but to machines. But seriously, it won’t work. An alternative service was introduced - the result is almost zero. Raise your salary and give benefits to your darlings, and pay normal money to the machinists and give your benefits to them. And the army should serve all fit for health (no deferrals) or only the contract army.
    1. 0
      23 March 2015 18: 37
      Quote: shevchenko st
      An alternative service was introduced - the result is almost zero.

      Well, it’s not completely zero. In my case, the Baptist was sent by the military registration and enlistment office. A very alternative eccentric :)) Where else would I talk with such a client? Only in the GO Troops laughing
  20. +5
    23 March 2015 09: 33
    Only for workers and engineering positions, otherwise they will recruit clerks, managers and economists with lawyers, and there will be no one to work and produce again!
  21. +2
    23 March 2015 10: 05
    Well, Rogozin, he became impudent: for students, so the benefits are well in FIG, but for the defense industry, take it out and put it down. It may be better to interest the guys after serving in the army (at least to take them away for a month or two ahead of schedule) than to recruit bizarre deviators and then to suffer from them - in about ten years we will be able to have such a military-industrial complex, which will not seem enough.
  22. +1
    23 March 2015 10: 36
    The article does not say that after school the ignoramuses will be taken, most likely more or less prepared guys. CNC operator courses can be completed in months.
    1. 0
      23 March 2015 18: 40
      Quote: Krona
      . CNC operator courses for months can be taken.

      For three days :)) The third category is three buttons (red, green and one to choose from) laughing
  23. 0
    23 March 2015 11: 24
    Not a very clear idea. A person deliberately takes a job for a period of two years in order to serve. And then what? Most of them quit, that is, turnover is predicted. The application is viewed exclusively in low-skilled jobs. If at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, the salary is decent, then on a regular basis there the youth (and not only the youth) themselves will stretch in our turbulent time - no one will have to pull their ears.
    1. 0
      23 March 2015 12: 06
      Quote: Bully
      Not a very clear idea. A person deliberately takes a job for a period of two years in order to serve. And then what? Most of them quit, that is, turnover is predicted.


      It’s necessary to think deeply about all this ... Create a contract system so that, on the one hand, a person is interested (decent (!!!) salary, an impressive social package, various benefits), and on the other, sorry for cynicism - as in Japanese firms - skillfully create the dependence of this employee on the enterprise, such that it is difficult for him to escape from the enterprise. And the contract, in addition, should provide for the quality fulfillment by the employee of the tasks assigned to him (for the Japanese, this is called loyalty to corporate values, I would cynically call it slavery, but it really is).
      Well, whether the government wants it or not, it is imperative (!!!) to urgently raise wages to workers directly producing products, not to management links ... In Soviet times, a skilled worker lived well on his salary, even with all the restrictions ...
  24. 0
    23 March 2015 11: 33
    Doing "at home" drill training (horse peshe), as well as "conditional" combat coordination .... I suggest including this addition in the instruction.
  25. +3
    23 March 2015 12: 27
    Here I read the comments on the article, which were divided half right and left, and became thoughtful ...
    On the one hand, those who advocate for ANY man to serve in the army are right ... However, I would like to remind you that according to the modern terms of service of a soldier to his demobilization it still remains at the level of "cannon fodder" ... So that, remembering the lessons of the CWP at school (and we were taken to the training ground of the Maikop brigade, they shot from the AK), we can say that, having returned it, the basics of military training can be hammered into the young man's head ... platoon-company, the rest will follow ...
    Growing up a good milling turner is a very long process, and in our modern conditions it is quite complicated (a collapsed system of vocational education at all levels. One can say only about polytechnic universities - EC, your mother !!!).
    Even in the difficult years of the Great Patriotic War, skilled workers not only had a reservation, they were never allowed to go to the front, no matter how torn they were.
    What did I mean by this? Defense of the fatherland is the sacred duty of every citizen. However, at the moment, our industrial recovery and development can be equated to the same front, to the same advanced one, and a qualified turner-milling operator "weighs" by no means less than a qualified sniper-tanker-pilot-operator, etc. That is, WE really need both Those and THES !!!
    In a normal situation, the army still needs to be brought to a contract system, a call to leave as training for the reservists in case of war.
    But with the training of industrial personnel and benefits for them, the main thing is not to be too smart and not to pervert ...
    1. 0
      23 March 2015 18: 05
      Please re-read the article. And then all the comments about the problems with the milling fitter (of which there are a lot), and in the initiatives of the bear - about the inclusion of work at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex in the military service for graduates of universities, also excellent students ...
      only time can shift ...
  26. +1
    23 March 2015 14: 26
    Personally, I don’t think that there is a crisis of specialists at the defense industry complex.
    On the contrary, if you don't come to the OK of any enterprise - the answer is: "there are no vacancies", and if there are, they always require 5-6 grades or work experience of 3-6 years.
    It seems to me that the matter is motivation of a person.
    I don’t really want to go to work as a process engineer / designer \ ... for 20 thousand rubles. Especially when there are no prospects ahead - neither make money on vehicles, nor real estate,
    1. 0
      23 March 2015 15: 10
      Here, here - you can work, but no one wants to work. I would like to immediately have a beautiful life and a car, and an apartment for the first year. On the other hand, in our country, we have a normal attitude towards workers only on the northern shifts, closer to oil and gas, in other sectors today, here tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow they reduced ...
  27. +1
    23 March 2015 16: 03
    Mentoring was paid symbolically. Something about 15 rubles. 200 at the turner.

    Mostly experienced workers took mentoring informally, with a soul.
    There was no fear of being fired. Nobody abused layoffs. Therefore, there were no such worries.

    It is necessary to revive the USSR 2.0. Polymers cannot fix the situation.
    1. 0
      23 March 2015 18: 45
      Quote: gladcu2
      Mentoring was paid symbolically.

      Now the size is stipulated by the collective agreement and individual orders of the management. Each enterprise has its own way.
    2. 0
      23 March 2015 21: 35
      Maybe not USSR2.0 But the attitude towards the people needs to be changed! After all, any minister’s wineskin knows that no one will defend it !!! And their golden youth is also not suitable for heroes! And there are many more people, and on average will always be wiser and more perspicacious than any embezzler-patriot!
  28. 0
    23 March 2015 21: 49
    Crap, now it’s easier to serve a year and go already to normal work, and not to bomb the fuck for years in the bottom. Or it’s even easier to go to graduate school or write all sorts of crap, or in the worst case, just sit there in parallel without straining to write a dissertation ...
    1. 0
      26 March 2015 06: 29
      I agree. It is especially important for those regions where you can raise strong grandmothers without tension. Because nishtyakov okromy postponement is not visible, but it is now not so tempting.
  29. 0
    24 March 2015 00: 18
    Well, here’s why it’s like this: it’s a sound idea, but you start digging in the details and the idea starts to cheat great?

    "- granting a deferral from conscription to graduates employed in the defense industry organization on a full-time basis in accordance with the received specialty (qualification) immediately after graduation from educational institutions of higher education, which they graduated with honors or with grades of progress" good "and" excellent "or in which they studied on the basis of an agreement on targeted admission (targeted training), for the duration of this work, but not more than five years;"
    For a young specialist, a delay of no more than 5 years! Translated from a bureaucratic to a production one: they only raised an intelligent specialist (just about 5 years is approximately what it takes), how is he raked into the army. What for? Knowledge and skills are invested in the specialist’s workpiece, and as soon as the time comes to take dividends from the expended efforts, how to pull this specialist out of the production bed and stick on a new, already army soil ... For 5 years, the army did without it, and after 5 it becomes unbearable? Actually, from my point of view, this is a clear sabotage. They brought up specialists - the path works according to the profile.
    I don’t remember the case that Mr. DAM’s initiatives in deep study did not turn out to be the next ... byak. Well, there was no such !!!
  30. 0
    24 March 2015 16: 19
    Definitely the right initiative. The government has finally heard the industrialists. I myself am engaged in targeted recruitment from defense industry enterprises. It's no secret that you have to take not the best, in the process of study we lose up to 20%. After this decision is made, the number of people wishing to enter the target area will increase by several times and serious competitive selection can be carried out. Many forum users do not understand that the conversation is mainly about university graduates, and not about turners. Only old people are sitting in the design bureau; there are no young people; there is no one to move science and industry. Now, thanks to this decision (and many more), you can solve the problem of rejuvenating personnel. Previously, this decision had to be made, about 5-7 years ago. By the way, regarding mentoring: we pay at the plant for the management of practice, mentoring, compensate young specialists for mortgage interest, pay scholarships from the enterprise, give higher education to the most talented workers at the expense of the enterprise, etc. Who does not believe I give the link: http: //www.ilyushin.org/socpolicy/jobs/
  31. 0
    26 March 2015 06: 26
    We introduce labor service shorter. I would suggest for this case to supplement the labor activity by passing the course of a young fighter. A month or two, without interruption from production, with the passing of offsets. And of course, the question is how they plan to keep the people after the threat of being shaved into the army disappears. Is it not possible that, upon reaching a certain age of production, the valuable and selected personnel will be massively left with such difficulty? It is necessary to build office housing and develop a social network, otherwise this is a half-measure.