See and win

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See and winNot so much the Indians, who are the main foreign consumers of airborne radar control systems (BRLSU), developed at the Instrument Engineering Research Institute (NIIP), as the Americans wanted to have the most complete picture of our combat avionics. For this purpose, maneuvers with the unambiguous name RedFlag (“Red Flag”) were conducted in the United States in 2008. As a result of training battles of Russian design, the Indian Su-30MKI with the Bars radar surpassed both the heavy American fighter F-15 and the most massive light fighter F-16. On the teachings of Garuda IV against Su-30MKI already put up the Europeans - Mirage 2000 and Rafale F3. The result is the same - complete superiority in melee and long-range air combat. After that, the expert community in the field of avionics had a reasonable question: why do Russians have a worse element base, but the finished products — airborne radars — work better than Western ones?

Indeed, a paradox ... For the answer, the NVO correspondent went to Zhukovsky near Moscow - the capital of the Russian military aviation.

ORIGINS

- No secret! - authoritatively stated in NIIP. - Another General Designer Viktor Konstantinovich Grishin (head of the Research Institute of Nuclear Research with 1973 to 1978) - “NVO”.) Said jokingly: our advantage over potential opponents was that we didn’t have warm toilets at test sites.

- This is in what sense? ..

“We tried not for profit, not for money and not for comfort, because we were patriots and enthusiasts, and if needed, we worked on 30 hours a day, and they had everything on schedule ... We have never regretted ourselves for business. That was the founder of our company, Viktor Vasilyevich Tikhomirov.

Remarkable detail. When Tikhomirov was elected a corresponding member of the USSR Academy of Sciences for the Department of Technical Sciences (radio engineering, electronics, automation and telemechanics) in 1953, he was already three times the winner of the Stalin Prize; ”, But at that time Viktor Vasilyevich did not have any academic degrees - he did not have time to complete it. And only in 1966, the Higher Attestation Commission of the USSR corrected this administrative absurdity: for outstanding scientific achievements, three times the laureate and holder of two orders of Lenin, member Tikhomirov, was also awarded the degree of Doctor of Technical Sciences.

Achievements were worth it. Tikhomirov received the first Stalin Prize for the Redut-40 radar, which was put into service before the war. The second is for the first domestic airborne radar Gneiss-2, which was baptized in the Battle of Stalingrad. The radar was installed on the Pe-2 front-line bomber, and Tikhomirov himself tested it in a combat situation — he flew as an operator. Well, the third Stalin Prize was received already in the 1953 year for the high-precision rangefinder. In the same years, work began on the Emerald radar for the MiG-17, during which the famous Tikhomirov team was formed, which today bears the name of its founding father.

The main task, which in 1955 was set before the established branch of the Scientific Research Institute-17 (now the Research Institute of Instrument Making), was formulated as follows: development of aviation radar equipment. But other times came, at the head of the party and the state stood Nikita Khrushchev, who was piously convinced that the rocket weapon it is absolutely everything that decides, and Victor Tikhomirov, together with his comrades from the heavens, was lowered to the sinful land - to create medium-range air defense systems for the air defense of the Ground Forces.

ON EARTH, IN THE SKIES AND ON THE SEA

In addition to the cipher, the first anti-aircraft missile system of the Research Institute of Instrumentation was also given a proper name - "Cube". Well, since they were going to use it to cover the main strike force of the Soviet army from the air enemy - tank divisions, the complex was mounted on a caterpillar track. At the same time, for the first time, both a surveillance radar and a guidance radar were combined on one self-propelled vehicle.

It was planned to withdraw 1961 of the year to the joint state tests of the Cube air defense system in the second quarter. But not everything that the party set forth was feasible within the set time limits - the unknown is unpredictable, especially when it comes to a set of technical solutions that are ahead of their time. In general, the schedule flew to hell, the industry leaders did everything for everything for only a year, and Tikhomirov stood firmly on his side at the board of the Ministry of Radio Industry: it would take more than a year, but two, to bring the Cuba to a combat-ready state. And such a personal opinion cost Viktor Vasilyevich the position of the head of an enterprise.

The Cube itself also hung by a thread. The topic could have been covered in a year, if during the demonstration of military equipment at the Kubinka airbase, “Kubov” self-propelled units with mock-ups of life-size rockets did not catch Nikita Khrushchev’s eyes. In general, the party leader really liked how everything turns, and they didn’t explain to him that, by and large, it was still semi-finished. As a result, the “Cube” program unexpectedly received the highest level of priority, and in 1964, the first successful launch took place, as Tikhomirov planned, the target was scattered into pieces.

In 1967, the Cube ADMS was adopted. For its development and serial development, many employees of the Research Institute of Instrument Engineering received state awards, and the most distinguished became laureates of the Lenin and State Prizes. And only Viktor Vasilyevich Tikhomirov, although he remained in the calendar as the general designer of the complex, did not make it to the lists of those awarded or marked.

In the meantime, the “Cube” created by its ideology, the Cube, which received the name “Square” in the export version, began a triumphal march around the world. And the finest hour of the Tikhomirov brainchild struck in 1973 year during the Arab-Israeli war of the Doomsday, when Egyptian anti-aircraft gunners, using 95 missiles, shot down an enemy aircraft 64. The result was so impressive, that there was literally a line-up behind the Squares - 27 countries.

The complex today, after seven upgrades, is still in service with many armies. The fact that the F-1999 Stealth F-117 was hit by his Yugoslav “Square” in 2 influenced his incredible combat longevity. And if the ultra-modern plane, declared invisible by the Americans, turned out to be a complex of thirty-five years ago, what about Buk and its more modern versions? For example, Buk-М24, which included radars with PAR (phased antenna arrays), could, in contrast to single-purpose Cuba and six-purpose Buk, simultaneously fire at an XNUMX target.

By the way, the name "Beech" appeared at a friendly table, when the team celebrated the next labor achievement. We didn’t think too much: just turned the word "Cube" the other way around.

Ten years, while the Research Institute of Instrument Engineering was engaged in radar exclusively for mobile anti-aircraft missile systems, avionics went far ahead. How much this became clear after the traitor Belenko hijacked the MiG-1976 to Japan in September of 25 of the year. The Americans dismantled it on a cog and made a public statement: the glider is above all praise, but on the electronics side the Russians "are behind us forever."

In such a delusion, the Western aviation world stayed until 1991, while at the next International Air Show in Le Bourget there was no presentation of the MiG-31, under the nose fairing of which, to the great surprise of experts, the FAR with electronically controlled beam was discovered - so to speak, “serving part "no less unique in its characteristics, the control system of weapons (SUV)" Barrier ". Nothing like the world fighter aircraft was not even close.

And since the best Western fighters were at that time equipped with radar with slotted antenna arrays with mechanical scanning, it became clear that they were not in a position to equate with the “thirty-first” as equals. Therefore, as soon as the first MiG-31 appeared in the Far East, the Japanese and Americans, having calculated the safe distance, prudently pushed their aircraft away from our borders. By the way, the MiG-31, equipped with the SUV Zaslon, developed at the Instrument Engineering Research Institute, is still considered to be the best in its class. In 2013, the expert council of the Polytechnic Museum assigned the status of a “Monument of Science and Technology of the Fatherland” to the prototype of the PAR of the Zaslon Radar Station.

There were other breakthrough works. A special pride of the staff of the Research Institute of Instrument Engineering is the Bars radar control system (RLSU), thanks to which the Su-27 has turned from a “clean” interceptor into a multi-functional Su-30MKI fighter. At first, the Su-30MKI went exclusively for export (more than 200 aircraft sets were delivered to India alone), but then, as the NIIP said, our Ministry of Defense “thought better of it and fixed it historical mistake ”- ordered and buys in large quantities Su-30SM aircraft with Bars-R radar control system for the Russian Air Force.

But the Irbis-E radar control system for the Su-35 NIIP fighter, the Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Ryazan State Instrument Factory were used up their hard-earned money. Initially, Su-35 was intended for export deliveries and was not included in the state defense order, but the MAX-2009 was unexpectedly surprised by the military department for the first 48 planes from the Su-35C with the Irbis radar control system in the Russian version. As far as we know, the plans of the Ministry of Defense intend to purchase more 60 machines of the same type.

... And if you look into the future? For example, the Americans did not go through the development phase of passive HEADLIGHTS, but immediately switched to active HEADLIGHTS (AFAR). But, according to Anatoliy Sinani, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Deputy Director General of the Research Institute of Scientific Research and Development, the AFAR itself is not a panacea: “The main thing is electronic control of the beam, and what the developer will decide on what to do. Since there are advantages in AFAR and in PAR, an adequate concept must be chosen every time. ” For example: the “IRBIS” radar control system with a passive HEADLIGHT has a significantly longer detection range than all existing and under development radar radar systems with AFAR.

The radar complex for the PAK FA decided to do with active phased antenna arrays in the X- and L-bands. As the general director of the research institute Yuri Bely noted, the fifth-generation fighter’s electronic system will have several AFARs spread across the surface of the aircraft, which as a result form the so-called “smart skin”. In other words, it will be like an “all-seeing” aircraft. At the same time, NIIP has no doubt that PAK FA with AFAR will surpass F-22 and F-35 in a number of characteristics.

Having achieved significant results in aviation and ground-based radar, the Tikhomirov team turned their attention to sonar. Currently, NIIP produces mobile small-sized sonar systems of the Neman series, which successfully operate in the divisions of LUKOIL, Gazprom and RusHydro, etc. The Nemans also worked on history - for example, with their help, dozens of dead ships of the times of the First World War and the Great Patriotic War were discovered within the framework of the expedition “Bow to the Ships of the Great Victory”. The Neman’s asset also has a unique find - the last sailing battleship of the Russian imperial fleet Lefort, crashed back in 1857.

Sonars from Zhukovsky and the Navy will be used. Recently, the Neman successfully passed the state joint tests with a recommendation to take on the supply of the Ministry of Defense. It is assumed that they will be used to combat underwater saboteurs, as well as to search for underwater objects and bottom mines both on surface ships and in underwater vehicles.

CONVERSION AND BENEFITS

In the so-called era of change, the Instrument Engineering Research Institute, like most of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, was left without a state defense order. There were cases when employees for three months did not receive a salary. Survived mainly due to exports - primarily due to the Bars radar and the Kvadrat air defense missile system.

They tried to switch to the production of consumer goods. It did not come to the pots, but there were attempts to produce electricity meters, massage complexes, stun guns, and so on. However, such production did not make the weather and did not warm the soul, and most importantly, it did not bring profit. So came the realization that it is necessary to deal with all the same core business.

“Smart conversion” bore fruit when a branch appeared in NIIP, the main products of which were automatic control systems (ACS) for the Metro and Russian Railways' electric trains. For example, ACS of the Vityaz series, developed at the institute, are operated today in the Moscow, Kazan and Nizhny Novgorod metros, as well as in the Sofia and Baku subways. And just recently, in January, on the Koltsevaya Line of the Moscow Metro, a system of automatic train maintenance developed in Zhukovsky, which allows the train to move automatically on the stretch and stop at the station with an almost jeweler's accuracy — to 30, was tested. In fact, the driver remains only withdraw from the depot, as well as close and open the door.

And that's remarkable. Fulfillment of orders for the Metro and Russian Railways turned out to be more profitable than the state defense order, which distracts a significant amount of manpower and resources, but does not promise such a big profitability - around 5 – 8%. "Citizen" gives two times more profitability. As they say, feel the difference!

And the institute needs money. To attract young people, to create decent conditions for highly qualified specialists with a good education, who by now know the price for themselves. Therefore, if in 2001, the average salary at the institute barely exceeded 4 thousand rubles, now it is 49 thousand, which is on average higher than in the industry, and in the Moscow region too. But in order to keep salaries at a decent level even in a recession, the main products of the Research and Development Institute of Instrument Engineering - radar stations for combat aviation complexes and air defense missile systems - must be in demand and be competitive, including in the external market.

And, of course, surpass the avionics of a possible enemy. The logic here is simple: “To see earlier means to win!” Over the course of 60 for years, the team of the V.V. Tikhomirov copes with such a task. The results of the work of the last decade are especially impressive: “Bars” for Su-30MKI, Su-30MKM, Su-30MKA, Su-30СМ, “Sword” for Su-30МК2, Su-27СМ, “Zaslon-AM” for MiG-31BM Irbis "for Su-35С. It is noteworthy that today 70% of the fighters ordered by the Russian Air Force, and those that go through the military-technical cooperation for export, are equipped with radar equipment developed at the VV Instrument-Making Instrument Engineering Research Institute. Tikhomirov. And ahead there are PAK FA and PAK DA.
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  1. +18
    1 March 2015 05: 29
    I wish you many years of life and good health to the staff of the V.V. Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Engineering and great creative success for the benefit of the Motherland! good
    1. +4
      1 March 2015 06: 11
      The main task and goal: to be able to transfer knowledge, experience, skills to new specialists. And then after all, who does all this and comes up with the old hardening, and they are not eternal, you need to train new ones.
      1. +3
        1 March 2015 10: 02
        Our military equipment has always been the best, so kill the western manufacturers. And NATO is only to sell third-rate equipment to allied countries. And for export, Western concerns send equipment with a truncated version of the functions. So that if suddenly a war, its own technology remains more combat-ready.
      2. +2
        1 March 2015 21: 15
        To transfer experience and knowledge is not a problem, but how to convey that Soviet enthusiasm?

        After all, capitalism and socialism motivate in different ways.
    2. +2
      1 March 2015 19: 36
      Very interesting article, thanks.
  2. +10
    1 March 2015 05: 55
    Physics and arithmetic must be taught to everyone in a row, and not by choice, as in mattress schools, then even the worst components will produce the best radar and air defense systems.
  3. +8
    1 March 2015 05: 55
    Honor and respect for the patriarchs of the SOVIET WAR THINK .... a lot of what they have done allows us to live in peace, their weapons do not give the enemy a chance at a safe blitzkrieg in our MOTHERLAND.
    I wish them long life and prosperity.
    1. KAB
      KAB
      +2
      1 March 2015 14: 04
      I know that the Su-30 outperforms the F-15, and possibly the F-16, but the author, please tell me where our Sushki met with the Rafals and won in close air combat. Our only recently tried to conduct these air battles on a computer and no one posted the results. Please write the truth. The Indians will buy "Rafali" and will conduct training battles with Sushki and MiGs, and then there will be information. In the meantime, there were no training battles between Sushki and "Rafals", just as there were no battles with "Raptors", "Typhoons", "Griffins" and "Super Hornets", do not mislead people otherwise the Indians would not have become so diligent push through "Rafali", the superiority of which is recognized even by the proud Yankees.
      1. 0
        2 March 2015 05: 43
        This is when it was for the Yankees to recognize the superiority of the French in avionics? Their whole concept of designing aircraft is based on counteracting Soviet / Russian air defense systems and gaining dominance in the air protected by our aircraft.
  4. +13
    1 March 2015 06: 52
    "supercar" of the Russian Air Force! drinks
  5. +6
    1 March 2015 07: 28
    Good luck to the staff of the research institute!
  6. +25
    1 March 2015 08: 39
    All aircrafts are equipped with systems created by JSC VNIIRA. At one time, many of them were created under my leadership, as the Chief Designer. In particular, an APD system was first installed on the MiG-31 to enable these interceptors to operate in autonomous mode. That's when we succeeded with Marshal E.Ya. Savitsky to restore order in the Far East. I was already working in Moscow, but for a month, on behalf of the Government, with a group of specialists, I provided flights of 4 MiG-31s. US aircraft have stopped violating our borders.
    And at the moment, our Air Force command will be able to repeat this. I have the honor.
    1. +4
      1 March 2015 09: 05
      Bow to you. Thank you!
    2. +6
      1 March 2015 13: 52
      Yuri Grigoryevich, you rarely see a person on the site who does not hide his NAME. I express my great respect to you. And ... thanks for everything! soldier
  7. +1
    1 March 2015 08: 41
    ... life didn’t mean anything to us, we tried not for profit, not for money and not for comfort, we were patriots and enthusiasts, and if necessary, we worked 30 hours a day, and they had everything on schedule ... We but they never spared themselves for business. Such was the founder of our company, Viktor Vasilyevich Tikhomirov.

    As I understand it, all this is not only in the past tense, but also in the present. Electronics, instrumentation, successes and achievements ON THE EARTH, IN HEAVEN AND ON THE SEA!
    1. +1
      1 March 2015 11: 52
      More D Livanov plant life and all the rules will be.
  8. +6
    1 March 2015 09: 43
    Even the general designer Viktor Konstantinovich Grishin (head of NIIP from 1973 to 1978 - NVO.) Jokingly said: our advantage over potential opponents is that we did not have warm toilets at the test sites

    This is a homespun truth, a secret incomprehensible to the Anglo-Saxon brain!
  9. +3
    1 March 2015 09: 55
    And what were the cons? Learn how you used to work and how it is now (someone recently wrote that I’ll be five minutes late for work, then they won’t "get it" as before). This is what enthusiasm, patriotism, love for the Motherland are. Not empty words. now imagine how our fathers and mothers worked during the Second World War, but liberals came and the concept of the Motherland was replaced by the concept of "my pocket" - by any means, greed, theft, admiration for the "green paper", spitting on our own people. the rest of Russia has retained that spirit of ancestors and a sense of the Motherland. Well, and Moscow is hamon and parmesan is not all Russia. I think that a Russian ruler, a patriot of the Motherland and the people, will finally come to Moscow.
  10. 0
    1 March 2015 09: 59
    As a result of Russian-designed training battles, the Indian Su-30MKI with Bars radar surpassed both the heavy American F-15 fighter and the most massive F-16 light fighter. In the Garuda IV exercises against the Su-30MKI, Europeans were already fired - Mirage 2000 and Rafale F3. The result is the same - complete superiority in both close and long-range aerial combat.

    Nonsense is not confirmed by anything.

    His incredible fighting longevity was also influenced by the fact that it was the Yugoslav “Square” in 1999 that the F-117 Stealth was shot down.

    Another nonsense. Zoltan Dani commanded the 3rd battery of the 250th Air Defense Brigade; he had four C-125 anti-aircraft missile launchers. NIIP them. Tikhomirova has nothing to do with this SAM, it is the Almazov complex. It’s more than indecent to ascribe someone else’s success ...
    1. +8
      1 March 2015 11: 58
      Original publication: http://www.air-cosmos.com/site/ no longer opens. Here is the link to the paper version: http://www.academie-air-espace.com/pmb/opac_css/index.php?lvl=bulletin_display&i
      d = 2078
      Translation: http://inosmi.ru/army/20100705/161049452.html
      I will not search for the rest, but you are raving, not the author.
      1. -5
        1 March 2015 16: 26
        Quote: vladimir_krm
        Original publication:

        I hope you read it yourself.
        The article you indicated indicates the participants in these exercises:
        From France, I quote:
        The French Air Force was represented by five Mirage 2000-5F Squadron 1/2 Storks and four Mirage 2000C / RDI Squadron 2/5 Ile-de-France, supported by a C-135FR tanker group of 2/91 Brittany.

        From India:
        Six two-seat fighters Su-30MKI of the 8th squadron, accompanied by two tankers Il-78MKI and transporter Il-76MD

        From Singapore:
        six double F-16D "Plus" (Block 52) of the 145th Squadron of the Singapore Air Force, accompanied by the KC-135R tanker of the 112th Squadron


        And now what was said there about the superiority of the Su-30MKI radar?
        Of course, the Mirage 2000-5F pilot admits, their powerful radar allowed them to find out about the situation in the sky before us, but that wasn’t all.


        Bars radar is better than Antilope 5 radar ... Good. I am certainly glad that the Su-30MKI has a better radar than the Mirage 2000-5F. So they are the same age over the years.
        But what does Rafale have to do with this which is not mentioned? Or an F-16 block52?
        PS: by the way, during the exercises, Indian pilots got acquainted with Rafale and two years later he won the contest in India ...

        Quote: vladimir_krm
        I will not search for the rest, but you are raving, not the author.

        So how can you find what is not?
        1. +3
          1 March 2015 21: 02
          an article by a French observer is generally chaotic, apparently written by a simple journalist, not an expert, but you need to clearly understand that a tender has already been held and this, of course, leaves a certain imprint on the tone of the article and caution of judgment.

          Quote: Nayhas
          But what does Rafale have to do with this which is not mentioned?


          why not mentioned? several times we are talking about Rafal, and the modification F-3 is named. For instance:
          "French pilots had to deal with the Mica EM / IR (Mirage 2000-5F and Rafale F3), Super 530D and Magic 2 (Mirage 2000RDI)"

          or

          "The assigned missions included air combat, interception, escort of transports (C-130 and C-160) and the destruction of ground targets for the F-16D and Sukhoi, with the participation of Mirage 2000N and Rafale, which were often assigned the role of enemy units."
          Especially then they examined Rafal, apparently he was still and flew like everyone else.

          Quote: Nayhas
          Bars radar is better than Antilope 5 radar ... Good. I am of course glad that the Su-30MKI has a better radar than the Mirage 2000-5F.


          it seems to me that you are mistaken here in the type of radar on a French fighter, on the Mirage 2000-5F there is a modern RDY-2 station with a synthetic aperture and other "baubles"

          Quote: Nayhas
          PS: by the way, during the exercises, Indian pilots got acquainted with Rafale and two years later he won the contest in India ...


          here, for objectivity, it is necessary to add that the competition in fact was held between EXACTLY WESTERN machines and the Indians chose French cars that are really very good + operation of Mirage 2000 and some French systems on the Su30, that is, there are specialists, more familiar systems, etc.

          but in general, there is a lot of confusion in the article, especially the reasoning like: "The Su-30MKI seriously suffers from its large mass (39 tons), which is 1,5 tons more than that of the Rafale and 2,2 tons more than the weight of the Mirage 2000C"

          ,
    2. +4
      1 March 2015 12: 34
      Quote: Nayhas
      Nonsense is not confirmed by anything.

      This "nonsense" is carried by Indians, as well as by French pilots, their statements are on the net, but as usual, you blurted out and ran)) otherwise you would have typed it on the Internet, it's not difficult))

      Quote: Nayhas
      Another nonsense. Zoltan Dani commanded the 3rd battery of the 250th Air Defense Brigade; he had four C-125 anti-aircraft missile launchers. NIIP them. Tikhomirova has nothing to do with this SAM, it is the Almazov complex. It’s more than indecent to ascribe someone else’s success ...


      They still argue about how and by whom the F-117 was shot down, official representatives stated that it was shot down by "Square", then other officials said that it was shot down by an S-125 complex and still others talk about the Mig 29. So in the article, speech it is about "Square", and it is directly related to NIIP, where you were deceived?

      Again this "tovarisch")) at first he attributed to the article some kind of attempt at deception, they say, these stupid authors, they even don’t know whose C-125 complex and ascribe it to themselves, and then refutes his own nonsense))
      This is one office for "love" to Russia, vaf, nayhas))
      1. +1
        1 March 2015 14: 00
        Quote: barbiturate
        This is one office for "love" to Russia, vaf, nayhas))

        what do you have before "VAF"? Or did you get stuck by your own "nickname"? wassat
      2. +2
        1 March 2015 21: 46
        As a representative of radio intelligence, I can say that there is no exact information on the method of shooting down the f-117. There are really three options. One thing is known - for the pilot this came as a surprise. Although, however, this just does not surprise. Americans generally behave quite carelessly on the air, and in this particular military conflict it was possible to predict their actions (aviation) in a few hours including a square. Something like this.
  11. +3
    1 March 2015 10: 49
    To revive that impulse of our military-industrial complex and design bureau. At the same time, both morally and financially rewarding those who make a real contribution to our defense. Let the youth really understand who works, that will be rewarded by the state and people. Only for this, our state must become truly popular. This experience has already been.
  12. +2
    1 March 2015 11: 33
    we have something to be proud of, but first of all, it’s our people, and it’s people, that’s why we are proud of them and will always be proud good hi soldier ...
  13. +1
    2 March 2015 00: 36
    "But in terms of electronics, the Russians" lagged behind us forever. "
    In such a delusion, the Western aviation world was up to 1991 of the year until the MiG-31 presentation was held at the next International Air Show in Le Bourget, under whose nose cone, to the great surprise of specialists, it was revealed HEADLIGHT WITH ELECTRONIC BEAM CONTROL..."
    and in 1989, in ShMAS No. 03205, specializing in "mechanic of radar and missile guidance systems izd. 01", did I not study radar with phased array?
  14. 0
    2 March 2015 04: 01
    Very interesting and informative article! Many thanks to the author !!! More to such articles on the VO.
  15. 0
    2 March 2015 16: 48
    Egypt buys 12 Su-35s for 24 Raphael. Moreover, for money, not a gift.
    When they do not save on security, they buy Russian weapons.
  16. aba
    0
    2 March 2015 23: 28
    our advantage over potential opponents is that we did not have warm toilets at the test sites.

    I recall the 80s when we talked about Abrams, the first thing they talked about was the air conditioning system, and this, and not his armor, seemed to many the highest achievement of tank building. But then it came to the realization that this is not the main thing, especially since our tanks going to hot countries are equipped with air conditioners.
    And about the MIG-25, maybe it was, but the optics, according to the recollections of officers familiar with this story, was very surprised by the foreigner
  17. 0
    11 March 2015 15: 33
    I wonder where such an unambiguous conclusion came from?
    ("The result is the same - complete superiority in both close and long range aerial combat")

    The English-language press has much more conflicting conclusions.
    Su-30 really proved to be very good. Revealed his advantage
    in close combat, where maneuverability (a sharp turn) often determines victory.
    But the shortcomings of Barça also came to light. Insufficient "picture sharpness" did not allow
    define "friend-foe", "enemy-neighbor". Because of this, the Indians shot down (conditionally) many of their planes.
    In short, the Su-30 group needs a coordinator plane (of the AWACS type) for collective combat.

    Conclusions of the Americans: "The F-22 easily outperforms the Su-30, but it has few explosive missiles,
    and F-15 - with great difficulty and only at long-medium distances.