Weapon without recoil. Baryshev system

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History the fight against recoil begins in the days of the appearance of weapons. But if in a variety of bows and crossbows, the recoil force did not so much annoy the shooters and could be compensated by the mass of weapons, then with the advent of firearms the problem became much more acute. The solution to this problem was proposed by the Russian gunsmith designer Anatoly Baryshev, who presented a whole range of small arms. The weapons of the Baryshev system differ from the bulk of the post-war weapons that were created in the Soviet Union, in that they were designed on their own initiative, without any support from the state.

If we talk about domestic automatic weapons of the 20th century, it would be a mistake to bypass one of the most interesting complexes, which was created not by the design bureaus of large weapons enterprises or defense research institutes, but by the ordinary single-designer Anatoly Filippovich Baryshev. The domestic designer created a whole range of small arms, consisting of AB-5,45 and AB-7,62 submachine guns, chambered for 5,45x39 and 7,62х39 mm, respectively; AVB automatic rifle, designed for rifle and machine-gun cartridge 7,62x53 mm; 12,7-mm large-caliber machine gun KPB, as well as automatic hand grenade launcher ARGB, which could shoot regular shots VOG-17.

Baryshev worked on creating his own weapon system starting from the 1962 year. In 1969, he received a copyright certificate under the number 48117 for a new design of a barrel bore locking device. For several decades, the designer managed to bring his brainchild to the serial level. In 1980-s, the samples of weapons developed by him were tested first in the armed forces, and then in the KGB of the USSR, as well as in the special forces of the GRU. Opinions of the Soviet military about these weapons are divided. The Soviet Army, which possessed a simple, reliable and well-developed Kalashnikov weapon system, did not feel the need for a perfect system, since it would take huge financial investments and a lot of time to introduce new models. In turn, the security services officers advocated that the Baryshev weapons complex be adopted for service because of its superiority over similar foreign and domestic models. The adoption of weapons prevented the collapse of the country. However, with the collapse of the USSR, Baryshev did not stop working on the project, and in 1993 he received a new patent, this time already Russian.

Weapon without recoil. Baryshev system


Design features

Experimental samples of small arms without recoil Baryshev built on the original scheme of automation using recoil when hard shutter and the presence in the design of a special moving element - recoil compensator, which perceives the pressure of powder gases through the bottom of the sleeve and brings to work the entire moving system.

In some ways, the construction of the bolt group of Anatoly Baryshev can be considered a deep modification, made by him over the semi-free-bolt scheme, built on the development of the Hungarian gunsmith Paul Kiraly more than 50 years ago. The valve represented in the Baryshev system consists of four main systems - the valve body, the bolt carrier, the locking lever, and the recoil compensator. The latter is fixed with its lower rear end in a longitudinally sliding gate, and on its front surface has a special cup for the liner bottom. In this case, the compensator can swing relative to the shutter back and forth, while moving backward, acting on the massive slide frame. Immediately before making a shot, the bolt group is in the rear position. When you press the trigger at the time of the shot, the bolt group begins its advance, sending the cartridge into the barrel of the weapon.

At the moment of arrival of the bolt with a recoil compensator to the extreme forward position, the bolt carrier, on which the reciprocating spring acts, continues to move forward, while the locking lever located in the rear part of the gate engages with the receiver, rigid fixation of the bolt against the barrel of the weapon occurs, and the protrusion located on the front of the bolt carrier ensures the rotation of the recoil compensator forward by a not very large angle relative to the breech cut of the trunk. Before the slide frame comes to its extreme front position, the protrusion on the locking lever will strike the striker, which will ensure that the cartridge cap and the direct shot from the weapon. The pressure of the powder gases through the bottom of the sleeve acts on the recoil compensator and seeks to make it turn back in relation to a rigidly locked gate.



At this time, the upper end of the compensator puts pressure on the slide frame and in the recoil process overcomes the moment of inertia of the movement of the slide frame forwards, as well as the force of the pressure of the return spring, to which, in fact, a significant part of the recoil energy is spent when fired. Then, when the inertia of the bolt carrier is successfully overcome and it begins to move backwards and the compensator rotates at a predetermined angle back, the bolt carrier pulls the locking lever behind itself and disengages the bolt from the receiver, then under the influence of the residual pressure in the barrel and the accumulated inertia ( at the same time, the accumulated pressure acts on the recoil compensator through the sleeve) the entire mobile system is returned back, and the spent cartridge is removed.

When firing in automatic mode after a complete withdrawal of the moving system back, the whole cycle repeats, and in firing with single cartridges, the moving system is simply intercepted by the sear in the rear position. The rest of the presented system of small arms, created by Baryshev, is quite traditional. Experimental samples of different calibers were made using components and assemblies of existing weapons samples at that time.

The advantages of this weapon system were a noticeable decrease in recoil felt when firing and the physical absence of the gas exhaust tract with all its inherent problems. But on the other hand, the calculation of the stopping group for the specified types of ammunition was quite complicated, and the shooting scheme from the rear bolt when rolling out moving parts is not very suitable for weapons belonging to "assault rifles", due to a significant delay of the first shot after as the shooter pulls the trigger. Since the shooting is from the rear sear, the moving parts of the weapon’s automatic are in the rear position before the shot, and there is no cartridge in the unlocked chamber. Also, experts noted a significant shift of the aiming point during the movement of a massive bolt group, and past tests of these weapon models demonstrated a lack of system reliability.



It should be noted that the Baryshev system was built on a modular basis, which reduced operating and production costs. The disadvantages of this system, which resulted from the use in the design of the rear sear, were greater than those of the weapons with the front arrangement of the sear, dispersal of single cartridges during firing and greater sensitivity to contamination. At the same time, the new design of Baryshev made it possible to ensure that automatic fire became the main type of firing, unlike most of the standard weapons. A shooter with such a system could already hit a visible object from a distance of 200-400 meters with a high degree of probability. Dispersion in firing bursts from the Baryshev machine gun was at least 10 times lower than that of regular small arms.

Particularly vividly, the advantages of this scheme manifested themselves in an ARGB automatic grenade launcher and a large-caliber machine gun of the CPB. Both samples in maintaining continuous fire from the bipod provided a sufficient level of stability, while possessing a significantly lower weight than their regular counterparts - the AGS-17 heavy machine gun and the NSV-12,7 large-caliber machine gun. Reducing the weight of large-caliber weapons designed by Anatoly Baryshev also made it possible to reduce the calculation from 2-3 people to one person, sharply increasing the soldier’s maneuverability with these weapons.

At the same time with the merits, Baryshev’s weapon has its drawbacks. The use of the rear sear with a relatively large mass of moving moving parts of the shutter to some extent influenced the growth of dispersion when firing with single cartridges (unlike samples with a front sear). Also for the reason that the chamber before the shot is open (again due to the use of the rear sear), this weapon is much more sensitive to contamination.



Samples of weapons Barysheva

The Baryshev AB-5,45 and AB-7,62 assault rifles were intended for the fire attack of manpower and enemy unarmored equipment at a distance of up to 600 meters. The trigger mechanism had two modes of firing: automatic and single. Flap fuse at the same time served as a switch type of fire. Instead of a vapor tube, a handle was installed on the barrel of the weapon. Machines possessed a metal folding butt, which reclined on the left side of the receiver. Meals were supplied from regular stores from AKM and AK-74.

The Baryshev AVB automatic rifle was designed for precise firing at a distance of up to 800 meters at remote small targets: the technique and manpower of the enemy, which would appear in the field of view of the shooter for a short time. In terms of weight and size, this rifle was close to the SVD, but being only 0,4 kg heavier, it was the only system that was created to use the powerful rifle cartridge of the 1908 sample of the year. The weapon made it possible to conduct aimed fire in bursts at a distance of up to 200 meters, even from unstable positions and even standing from the shoulder. Like AB machines, the weapon was equipped with a special carrying handle, a folding stock and could be equipped with a light bipod that replaced the forearm, or a forearm made of impact-resistant plastic.

Return when firing a fire from Baryshev's rifle was felt a little more than when firing fire and AKM. Therefore, after a short training session, the average shooter was able to stack the entire short burst of 10 cartridges into a standard chest target from a distance of 25 meters. But such a successful rifle had its drawbacks. First of all, a very small store capacity was noted - a standard 10-charging store from the SVD was used. This deficiency was especially noticeable with automatic firing mode. In addition, with a fairly short barrel and the use of powerful 1908 cartridges of the year, as well as not the most successful design of the muzzle device, a very loud sound and a large exhaust of the muzzle flame were recorded at the time of the shot. This could unmask the shooter, especially when fighting at night.



The heavy machine gun Baryshev CPB was designed to destroy the enemy’s lightly armored vehicles, its low-flying helicopters and aircraft at a distance of up to 600 meters. In terms of size and weight, the CPB won significantly in comparison with the Soviet heavy machine-gun machine guns (DShKM and NSV), at the same time significantly, more than twice, yielding to them in practical rate of fire. The KPB machine gun, like other Baryshev’s weapons, was equipped with a folding butt and a bipod, and also had a bar for mounting various sights (optical, night). The features of this machine gun attributed the new store supply system with large-caliber cartridges B-32. The store was placed on top of the receiver, its filling was made by cartridges from pre-loaded clips. At the same time, the design of the machine gun was significantly simpler and not less reliable than the usual tape feed in other large-caliber machine guns.

The Baryshev ARGB automatic hand grenade launcher was designed to fire fragmentation grenades at enemy single and group targets at a distance of up to 1000 meters. Due to the presence of an optical sight with side level and goniometer mechanism, folding butt-coulter and removable bipod, it could be used for direct fire. Almost all the advantages that were characteristic of the CPB were also embodied in the manual automatic grenade launcher. The ARGB was significantly ahead of all the systems of automatic grenade launchers known at that time in terms of their weight and dimensions. The power system of the grenade launcher was shoplining and assumed the use of standard 30-mm VOG-17 shots. The reduction in weight and size characteristics had a positive effect on improving maneuverability.

ARGB could be used as a very powerful means of direct fire support of the motorized rifle squad. Such a weapon would be an indispensable assistant to the military in offensive battles, as well as military operations taking place in difficult conditions: in the mountains, trenches, settlements. Also in the Baryshev grenade launcher, the merits of the semi-free bolts were fully revealed. From the weapon, it was possible to conduct a sufficiently effective automatic fire even from unstable positions from the course or standing from the hip at a distance of up to 400-500 meters. When firing from the ARGB, recoil is felt at the same level as when firing from the 40-mm grenade launcher (GP-25) mounted on an automatic weapon. When firing from fairly stable positions (lying with a bipod), a substantial part of the recoil was effectively extinguished by the shock absorber built into the butt. Such a decision increased the accuracy of the firing of a grenade launcher.

Information sources:
http://otvaga2004.ru/kaleydoskop/kaleydoskop-inf/po-prezhnemu-bez-otdachi
http://spec-naz.org/armory/automats_and_assault_rifles/avtomat_barysheva
http://www.dogswar.ru/oryjeinaia-ekzotika/strelkovoe-oryjie/866-sistema-oryjiia-af.html
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  1. +2
    19 February 2015 06: 42
    and the very scheme of firing from the rear bolt when rolling out the moving parts is not very suitable for weapons belonging to the "assault rifles", due to the significant delay in the first shot after the shooter pulls the trigger. Since firing is conducted from the rear sear, the moving parts of the weapon automatics are in the rear position before the shot, and there is no cartridge in the unlocked chamber. Experts also noted a significant shift in the aiming point when moving a massive bolt group

    90% of submachine guns have this principle and this does not bother them. In general, simpler systems for compensating for returns can in no way be put into service, an example of AEK. Maybe for individual samples this will do. For example, for the ARGB. Although a similar model is already in service, this TKB-0249 "Crossbow". But without compensation for recoil.
    1. +4
      19 February 2015 11: 57
      Quote: Hell Angel
      90% of submachine guns have this principle and this does not bother them.

      Exactly, PP does not interfere. But the fighter - yes.
    2. +1
      19 February 2015 13: 14
      Quote: Hell Angel
      Although a similar model is already in service, it is the TKB-0249 Crossbow.

      Dear, this grenade launcher is not accepted for service. And most likely it will never be accepted. It is not even produced by TsKIB, because nothing went further than tests inside the center. Here is a link to grenade launchers manufactured by TsKIB: http://www.tulatskib.ru/produce/military/index5.php
      1. 0
        21 February 2015 16: 44
        The tests were. In some units of some law enforcement agencies.
        1. +1
          22 February 2015 06: 06
          Quote: Hell Angel
          The tests were. In some units of some law enforcement agencies.

          You decide whether it is adopted or not! And then from your words it turns out:
          Quote: Hell Angel
          Although a similar model is already in service, it is the TKB-0249 Crossbow.

          Or have some power structures started replacing the army? So in the army "Crossbows" were not tested. And if tested, then they would have assigned the GRAU index. But in reality, 3 samples were made for factory tests and exhibitions. Take an interest in the TsKIB SOO Museum.
    3. 0
      7 August 2023 19: 07
      everything good is just what Kalashnikov said
  2. +3
    19 February 2015 06: 53
    Thanks, interesting article. Never heard of these developments.
    1. avt
      +2
      19 February 2015 10: 19
      Quote: Bayonet
      I am. Never heard of these developments.

      There is a video on YouTube. A rifle and a grenade launcher were very impressed! good True store on a grenade launcher well No. not really, but the rifle yes - inspires!
      Quote: Hell Angel
      . Since firing is conducted from the rear sear, the moving parts of the weapon automatics are in the rear position before the shot, and there is no cartridge in the unlocked chamber. Experts also noted a significant shift in the aiming point when moving a massive bolt group

      To be honest, I should look at these "specialists" and ask them. And in fact they held Baryshev's weapons in their hands? that's how much it costs to manufacture, well, if, according to the criterion of cost-effectiveness and what kind of weapon it is in operation in the field, I did not find the information, although in fairness I note that I did not search hard, so I poked buttons for ten minutes, and asked a couple of times more or less well-versed, but there are not a lot of people on this weapon.
      1. 0
        20 February 2015 16: 25
        Quote: avt
        -the heap is excellent there, AEK and Kalash of the hundredth series with mechanical bells and whistles rest


        Let's return to the main thing - the purpose of using this weapon.
        Accuracy is great - gut. An open shutter is a disaster.
        THOSE. you keep it in a weapon, and when you need it, you leave to shoot in the field ... I cleaned it and back to the weapon.
        With this you do not walk in the mountains, forests, fields, sands. So it’s not an army thing.
        Here we need more refined terms of use - that is, urban, and not long-term ones. Therefore, it is more likely for the special forces of the Federal Penitentiary Service or SOBR. And not on business trips to neighboring republics, but on its territory.
        So their number will be small, if at all.

        In general, this is the second article on Baryshev in three weeks. Just like about AEK before the contest for the Warrior - an article about AEK was published every XNUMX days ....
        What for?
  3. +4
    19 February 2015 06: 57
    Kalashnikov’s weapons will remain basic until even simpler and more reliable designs appear. Performance can be improved by complicating the design, but such solutions are not viable.
    1. +1
      19 February 2015 07: 58
      Quote: TVM - 75
      Kalashnikov’s weapons will remain basic until even simpler and more reliable designs appear. Performance can be improved by complicating the design, but such solutions are not viable.

      Somehow, your statement does not fit with what really happens with Kalashnikov’s weapons. The concern has long understood that the time of the simplest machine guns that armed the multimillion-strong army of not always technically competent soldiers has passed. A striking example is the AK-12, it did not become easier than the AKM, but it is practically adopted. And much easier than AK !!? request
    2. +14
      19 February 2015 08: 39
      Now, look, it’s much easier, but the characteristics are better:


      1. wanderer_032
        +2
        19 February 2015 11: 06
        I liked the self-loading grenade launcher under VOGi. Veshch! good In terms of size and accuracy of the fire.
        But the attachment of the clip for the VOGs from above upset. Now, if they were fed from below or from the side, it would be better (so as not to obstruct the sight of the arrow along the aim line).
        By the way, a drum-type magazine would be perfect for this grenade launcher, similar to that used in assault shotguns of the "Protect" type.


        And the machines pleased with the simplicity of design and good accuracy of the battle.
        All of these samples, yes, in modern buildings, or ergonomics, the weapon honestly does not please.
        Yes, modern sights to put (collimators, optics).
        It would be the case.
        1. wanderer_032
          0
          19 February 2015 11: 12
          Quote: wanderer_032
          By the way, a drum-type magazine would be perfect for this grenade launcher, similar to that used in assault shotguns of the "Protect" type.


          1. wanderer_032
            +2
            19 February 2015 11: 13
            Or like here:

        2. 0
          19 February 2015 12: 13
          Quote: wanderer_032
          But the attachment of the clip for the VOGs from above upset. Now, if they were fed from below or from the side, it would be better (so as not to obstruct the sight of the arrow along the aim line).

          The grenade launcher shoots mainly on a hinged path, no flatness (and not really needed). There are many samples of weapons where the scope is on the left and the store is on top. Who cares?
          On the side is the tipping effect and its change as it is consumed.

          The store below has a drawback - a tall silhouette. The same Kalash in unprepared positions in the field - without special skill (special forces train) shooting flat (an automatic rifle is placed on his left side) - the fighter is a very good target.
          1. +1
            19 February 2015 15: 12
            Quote: iConst
            Quote: wanderer_032
            But the attachment of the clip for the VOGs from above upset. Now, if they were fed from below or from the side, it would be better (so as not to obstruct the sight of the arrow along the aim line).

            The grenade launcher shoots mainly on a hinged path, no flatness (and not really needed). There are many samples of weapons where the scope is on the left and the store is on top. Who cares?
            On the side is the tipping effect and its change as it is consumed.

            The store below has a drawback - a tall silhouette. The same Kalash in unprepared positions in the field - without special skill (special forces train) shooting flat (an automatic rifle is placed on his left side) - the fighter is a very good target.


            In the field, dig a hole under the horn? You have no soldier ingenuity.
            1. 0
              19 February 2015 15: 21
              Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
              In the field, dig a hole under the horn? You have no soldier ingenuity.

              Tell this to experienced warriors - you will hear a lot of "flattering" things .. laughing
              1. +1
                19 February 2015 20: 10
                Quote: iConst
                Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                In the field, dig a hole under the horn? You have no soldier ingenuity.

                Tell this to experienced warriors - you will hear a lot of "flattering" things .. laughing


                "Experienced warriors" of the game Counterstrike did you mean? laughing
            2. 0
              19 February 2015 18: 08
              This is when you are in the desert.
              And if in the steppe?
              And if in the city, on asphalt / concrete?
              And it's still not about Kalash, but about a grenade launcher, here it’s better to just a trench right away. And at the same time the grave ...
              1. 0
                19 February 2015 18: 26
                this is when you are from ..... I don’t need to explain further, the ears from the hole are always visible ..
              2. 0
                15 February 2020 09: 12
                The trench is for survival. You're specifically stupid. It will be necessary, under fire, you yourself will begin to break records.
            3. jjj
              0
              19 February 2015 23: 07
              Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
              In the field, dig a hole under the horn?

              In the field, yes, you can dig. But there are kamenyuki around.
              But the fact that now the fighter is not even taught to fall with rolling, since the whole is hung with expensive gadgets - this, I think, is a crime. The war in the Donbass clearly showed that proven techniques work well
          2. wanderer_032
            0
            19 February 2015 15: 15
            Quote: iConst
            What's the difference?


            There is a difference, since all over the world they have departed from this.
            The supply of ammunition from a store of this type was common in the first half of the 20th century (mainly with light machine guns), but later everyone refused this decision.
          3. 0
            8 November 2017 21: 16
            Do not tell me what is the height of ak or m 16 from the top of the pillar to the heel of the store? And you can measure the thickness of the average person across the chest. Somehow I don’t understand where and what to dig and lay down hi
        3. 0
          15 February 2020 09: 09
          Grenade throwing is different from firing bullets. The tilt of the barrel is pretty steep. You probably have to aim at combining the edge of the store and the end of the barrel.
  4. +8
    19 February 2015 08: 32
    The lack of support in the homeland forced Baryshev to seek help to continue work abroad. The Czech arms company LCZ-Group, mainly engaged in the resale of weapons abroad, became interested in his weapons. Under the agreement, the Czechs received from Baryshev a module consisting of a 7,62 mm machine gun, a 7,62 mm automatic rifle, a 12,7 mm heavy machine gun and a 30 mm automatic grenade launcher, and, in addition, a new 9 mm pistol B -50 with a magazine for 14 rounds. The first open demonstration of these weapons at the IDET-95 arms exhibition in Brno made a splash in the world.

    But the LCZ-Group, in violation of the contract, put Baryshev’s weapon on IDET-95, passing it off as its own development, and under its own brand name (with LCZ B-10 / B-40 indexes), having removed the name of the designer and the number of copyright certificates from advertising.

    Attempts to sell the license for these weapons to the West were immediately thwarted, and the agreement between Baryshev and the LCZ-Group was terminated.
  5. +1
    19 February 2015 08: 47
    Personally, I still prefer the development of German Korobov. The most striking example is the TKB-022 PM No. 2 assault rifle. It exceeded the accuracy of AKM by a factor of three. And since the M16 in terms of the same accuracy is only twice as much as the same AKM, even a little less, we can say a revolutionary thing: the TKB-022 PM No. 2 in accuracy was seriously superior to the M16, and at the same time it was much lighter and more compact thanks to the layout ultrabullpap. He did not lose the test. He was buried by booby generals who thought only of the past.
  6. +6
    19 February 2015 09: 24
    ... I’ll give a review of one of the forum participants on the Guns.ru site, who happened to shoot from this grenade launcher:
    “The shooting sensation is interesting - the returns are small (like the 12-gauge magnum with an enhanced weight of shot and gunpowder) ...
    ARGB - here, of course, the return is serious, but the weapon can be serviced by one calculation number and is much more mobile than the AGS - 17 and AGS - 30, especially when fighting in the city and when engaging in battle on the move.
    This conclusion is that the weapon is unsuitable for linear units, it is necessary for special forces, where fire contact is fleeting, the maneuverability of powerful small arms is necessary and the warrior is well trained, intellectually developed, initiative and daring in battle.
    1. 0
      8 November 2017 21: 31
      You talk about a fleeting contact. What kind of special forces are talking, this weapon works from the rear sear. THIS MEANS TO LEAD IT TO THE MILITARY POSITION. WEAPONS SHOULD be cocked. SHUTTER TO POSIT TO THE BACK POSITION. quickly move forward it happens. And IF you can stop talking about the accuracy of 25 meters for a rifle cartridge, take mp5 and you will be happy winked
      1. 0
        15 February 2020 09: 20
        The shutter is in the rear position only because the capsule is tipped by the mass of the shutter. If you pierce the capsule with something separately, you can send the cartridge and lock the shutter.
  7. +1
    19 February 2015 11: 26
    Our land has not become scarce with talented gunsmiths! It is difficult even to imagine that not a specialized weapons design bureau with hundreds of specialists, but ONE (!) Developer not only invented, but also brought to "iron" a SERIES of small arms fellow
  8. 0
    19 February 2015 12: 12
    After watching the video, I really liked the AVB, provide it with optics, a more capacious store and get a very good assault rifle
  9. -1
    19 February 2015 12: 47
    Quote: xomaNN
    Our land has not become scarce with talented gunsmiths! It is difficult even to imagine that not a specialized weapons design bureau with hundreds of specialists, but ONE (!) Developer not only invented, but also brought to "iron" a SERIES of small arms fellow

    I don’t dispute my talent. But for me it is very doubtful that Baryshev did EVERYTHING ONE. Prototypes were 100% made in production and with the knowledge and approval of the management of this production. Or do you think that "Uncle Vanya" did the turning-milling-welding on the sly for half a liter?
    Maybe Baryshev didn’t receive any active help and didn’t carry the “initiator” in his arms, but still, at least, they didn’t interfere too much.
    In this article it is mentioned and had to read earlier that the automation scheme "according to Baryshev" is very difficult to calculate. In this case, it is obvious that a lot of prototypes were made before obtaining acceptable results, which again requires a certain production base. Incl. I am sure that Baryshev was not a loner.
  10. yarmukhametov
    +4
    19 February 2015 13: 04
    Quote: ChVV432
    Attempts to sell the license for these weapons to the West were immediately thwarted, and the agreement between Baryshev and the LCZ-Group was terminated.

    Nevertheless, the Czech company Czech weapon continues to offer weapons of the Baryshev system.
    http://kaspex.kz/rus/about/news/?news_id=295



    but the upgraded version of the machine under the NATO cartridge, another receiver, and firing from a closed shutter

    1. 0
      7 August 2023 19: 17
      Baryshev received compensation won against the Chekhovs but but but the Czechs release and we do NOT
  11. +2
    19 February 2015 13: 20
    In the USSR, and in Russia only Kalashnikov could exist !!! Competitors simply cut off at different stages. It is believed that Kalashnikov discarded the development of small arms of the USSR for decades.
    1. +1
      19 February 2015 17: 58
      Thank God, I met the only adequate person. Even the designer and inventors do not believe in the myth of Misha Kalashnikov that he is a genius ... in 1974 M. Kalashnikov lost the competition for small arms and ran to complain to the Central Committee of the CPSU, and eventually removed Colonel Kuznetsov’s assault rifle from of the competition, which was one and a half times superior to the Kalashnikov assault rifle ..... the second why is currently AEK -971 removed from the competition ?? What production base is bad? or the interests of the GLORY are personal above the interests of the State .....
      1. 0
        19 February 2015 21: 50
        Quote: Kazara
        and in the end they removed the machine gun of Colonel Kuznetsov from the competition

        Well ka can from this moment in more detail? I really want to hear this sentimental and instructive story in your performance.
    2. 0
      8 November 2017 21: 38
      Name an alternative to the system just not balobolstvo. And if you can list the shortcomings of the AKA system.
    3. 0
      15 February 2020 09: 23
      He was probably the first. As they say, the road is a spoon for dinner. And then just inertia.
  12. +6
    19 February 2015 19: 32
    Quote: Tilkus75
    In the USSR, and in Russia only Kalashnikov could exist !!! Competitors simply cut off at different stages. It is believed that Kalashnikov discarded the development of small arms of the USSR for decades.

    Yeah, they cut off Dragunov from the SVD. They cut off Nikonov with the "Abakan" put into service ... All competitors were cut off ... For the adoption of a model for service, the circulation of which will obviously be in the millions, in addition to its fighting qualities, other factors have a great influence: cost, availability of production and repair facilities , training (retraining) of personnel, etc.
    About Kalashnikov’s rejection, the development of the USSR rifleman for decades is not funny. Suffice it to recall our masterpiece - automatic APS. And Kovrov machine guns did not pass by large-scale production. There are a lot of Korobov machine guns and others at the stands in the Tula arms museum (but AEKov, by the way, did not see there for some reason). T.ch. Rifleman development was. And the fact that not everything came into service, there are objective reasons for this.
    T.ch. no extremes: Kalashnikov is not a genius, but the designer is undoubtedly talented and was not completely offended by the awards. And in any case, he didn’t deserve to be pooped to his grave.
  13. +1
    19 February 2015 20: 10
    The machine is really good. It is a pity of course that they do not give him a move.
  14. +1
    19 February 2015 20: 37
    Quote: wanderer_032
    All these samples, yes, in modern buildings, otherwise ergonomic weapons honestly do not please

    Ergonomics are normal. But with the design would still work! With such precision and with such a simple assembly - disassembly would not be equal.
  15. Robespierre9
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    20 February 2015 02: 06
    First. It is necessary to ensure that the ARGB grenade launcher does not "leak" to the Chinas, it is practically already cloned by them in the LG3 / QLZ 04 sample, they ALREADY have semi-automatic hand grenade launchers: QLZ-87 / W87, QLB-06 / QLZ-87B, which is not yet available who.

    The second one. Top magazine for large-caliber guns (for manual versions) is almost the best solution - a massive magazine will not interfere with the main type of shooting - lying down, this is the best solution for a heavy machine gun / grenade launcher.

    An open shutter is an extremely good solution for a machine gun / grenade launcher, due to the oncoming pulse, it is possible to compensate for a part of the recoil pulse, of course, it needs sealing - a curtain on the ejection windows of the cartridge cases / slit of the shutter jerking handle.

    For a heavy machine gun, manual version, food from stores is acceptable in terms of mass and size, etc. decision.

    In general, I wrote about this earlier in my articles, here, see my profile.

    The forum also has a good article on a shooting topic that echoes the theme of this article, I also wrote it.
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      20 February 2015 17: 49
      Dear Robespierre9, they are discussing the project of an expansive bullet DD (USSR) right now on my site. I developed and patented an expansively explosive rudder (Cossack) for hunting extreme and heavy beasts of large and dangerous animals .. the patent is received. After minor alterations, it is possible to patent the principle for the military needs-struggle with non-armored aircraft, helicopter aircraft, low-flying cruise missile caliber 12,7-14,5 mm mm can be larger up to 20-23. I don’t see any further prospects. after correspondence with one expert of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. the police are considering or have considered the option of applying my principle ..... after minor structural alterations. I’m not in a hurry for patenting ..... I withdrawn the application from FIPS of the Russian Federation for a lead cast bullet - when collided, it turns into a cake (no explosives) due to the fact that in one invention it comes out with fifty inventions. The expansive-explosive bullet caliber-7,62 can also be used for military purposes less impractical, everything depends on international laws .. and Russia complies with them .. to the bodies of the FSB of the Russian Federation I am well known. the first after the 2005 Archimedes exhibition I was interested in from the USA, they sent me a Green card and found the keywords related to motorcycle technology, it says a lot, although I don’t rush to go there are such problems with inventions
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        20 February 2015 23: 12
        And it is not destiny to do it yourself with what to "get out" from any officials? Moreover, the development is completely civilian .. And the exhibitions were created so that those who with funds could steal from those who have not yet had time to "unwind" (a larger fish usually tries to eat even smaller ones), so if I were you I would not what exhibitions he did not go, but saved money for his own production.
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        8 November 2017 21: 43
        What is this set of words winked
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        15 February 2020 09: 36
        Friend, one must soberly assess the possibilities of one's invention. What advantages it gives, what disadvantages it brings. What you offer is called a stopper. Just a stopper.
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    20 February 2015 15: 40
    Quote: Robespierre9
    it is almost already inclined by them in the LG3 / QLZ 04 sample

    C cloned with what? Baryshevskaya automation is based on a semi-free shutter, and they have a free shutter. By design, they are not at all similar to the samples of the Soviet or American defense industry.
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      20 February 2015 16: 33
      Semi-free-free in some countries, in America, for example, they don’t differ, and I didn’t see the internal structure, but most likely the usual free one is really .. But you have to keep in mind that they are fast and with a double bottom, you may have already copied , but they don’t show you personally, nevertheless, you'd better look at their manual counterparts ..
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        21 February 2015 04: 31
        Quote: Robespierre9
        Semi-free-free in some countries, in the same America for example, do not differ

        Really? And the difference between "delayed blowback automatic firearm" and "blowback operated firearm" also does not exist? Let's go further, QLZ-87 is a gas outlet, LG-3 is free, they shoot from a closed bolt. QLZ-04 - free, shoots from an open bolt. Structurally, they do not even come close to Russian models. The Chinese are copying a known technique. I won't talk about tame ones, because before that even the Americans hadn't thought of doing it in such a caliber. And the tactical value is questionable, because a soldier is enough for a maximum of one store. 35x32mm SR has almost 2 times more recoil than our VOG-17. The Chinese PMC "Great Wall" operating in Sudan is armed with these grenade launchers and reviews about them are not very flattering, collarbone injury is a common thing.
        1. Robespierre9
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          21 February 2015 23: 06
          Respected! Here is what the English source writes:

          Blowback is a system of operation for self-loading firearms that obtains energy from the motion of the cartridge case as it is pushed to the rear by expanding gases created by the ignition of the propellant charge. [1]
          Several types of blowback systems exist within this broad principle of operation, each distinguished by the level of energy derived through the blowback principle and the methods used to control bolt movement. In most actions that use blowback operation, the breech is not locked mechanically at the time of firing: the inertia of the bolt and recoil spring (s), relative to the weight of the bullet, delays opening of the breech until the bullet has left the barrel. [2] A few locked breech designs use a form of blowback (example: primer actuation) to perform the unlocking function.

          No delayed blowback. All the rest is the ideas (and supplements) of various Russian-speaking "Coders" (such as M. Popenker) .. jumping on all sorts of Wikipedia and sticking their noses into various cracks found.

          Everything else is very controversial, for example, you should look at systems with rolling parts of moving parts to easily understand that a hand grenade launcher is far from such a myth as you paint here.
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            22 February 2015 06: 38
            Quote: Robespierre9
            Respected! Here is what the English source writes:

            You know, I believe the developer himself more, he declares a semi-free shutter, by the way which is structurally the same for the entire range of Baryshev’s weapons, the only difference is in weight and shape.
            You probably don’t even think about it, only here is the official name from the patent:

            Manual grenade launcher, this depends on how much it is manual. Have you tried to run with a piece of iron weighing 10 kg with dubious firepower? And what tactical tasks to carry out with it, in which battle is offensive or defensive? The argument is not that they are, but how much they are applicable in combat conditions and how convenient they are to use. Learn the materiel.
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              22 February 2015 06: 56
              Quote: Robespierre9
              No delayed blowback. All the rest is the ideas (and supplements) of various Russian-speaking "Coders" (like M. Popenker) ..

              Well, yes, for the sake of Popenker, he even wrote down the term in the dictionary. But alas, dear, you need to study the topic a little deeper ...

              And here is a reference to the interpretation of this problem among the Americans:
              http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Blowback_arms
              Again materiel ...
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              8 November 2017 21: 46
              Thank you for ignoramuses reminded about the mat part and
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                9 November 2017 02: 25
                Quote: Pupil 375
                Thank you for ignoramuses reminded about the mat part and

                So without it in any way!
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    22 February 2015 16: 12
    Quote: yarmukhametov
    Nevertheless, the Czech company Czech weapon continues to offer weapons of the Baryshev system.
    http://kaspex.kz/rus/about/news/?news_id=295


    Czechs, this topic is generally close. if you recall the design of the wonderful VZ58.
    I have been friends with this weapon for a long time and the softness of recoil, the accuracy is much better than Akm-oids. only a bastard is beating on the ears)). however, if you look at the gaps and generally the fit of the parts, it’s scary to once again drown a chisette in a dirty slush on a hunt. perhaps the same problem with Baryshev’s weapons. Kalash will shoot anytime, anywhere. In heat and frost. not super accurate, but reliable towards the target. what can the weapon xs considered in the article extremely little information