China is building the second largest destroyer after Zamvolta

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The laying of a promising destroyer (missile cruiser) Type 055, along with the adoption of the aircraft carrier "Liaoning" was another sinister event, confirmed the ambitions of China as a contender for the great maritime power.

The PLA Navy intends to push its defensive perimeter from the coastal zone to the open sea. The conduct of hostilities in open sea areas requires the presence of new ships, whose weapons and capabilities allow you to operate without support from the coast.

In contrast to the PLA’s naval ships that were under construction, whose sizes corresponded to the patrol ship (frigate) class, and the armament was limited to primitive rocket systems and self-defense air defense, the new combat units of the Chinese fleet threaten to become one of the largest destroyers in the world. With the most advanced airspace controls. and long-range anti-aircraft missile systems providing air defense / missile defense for maritime theaters of war.

Among the voiced characteristics of the new destroyers:

- 128 vertical rocket mines, equivalent to the American Muk.41 DSS (two 64 charging units). As on American ships, the cells will be used to store and launch a wide range of weapons, including long-range HHQ-9B anti-aircraft missiles (similar to the C-300 SAM), medium-range HHQ-16 (analogous to the Buk air defense missile system) and a short-range DC- 10 (four missiles in each cell), HQ-26 over-the-atmosphere interceptors (similar to SM-3), as well as CJ-10 long-range cruise missiles, YJ-100 and YJ-18 anti-ship missiles (the latter with detachable supersonic warheads) and anti-submarine missile torpedo CY-5;

- universal artillery installation. Initially, it was announced about the long-range system caliber 155 mm, with its subsequent replacement of the rail electromagnetic gun. The reality turned out to be less interesting: at the moment, the most likely option is to equip the destroyer with a new H / PJ-38 naval gun of the 130 caliber mm;

- self-defense systems, including automatic 11-barreled anti-aircraft guns Type 1130 (11 000 firing rate / min) and 24-charging units of the missile with thermal guidance on a rotary pad (the conceptual analogue of RIM-116);

- landing pad and hangar for two anti-submarine helicopters.

The displacement of the new cruiser / destroyer is estimated at 12 — 13 thousand tons, which makes it the second largest surface missile-artillery ship after the American Zamvolt.

China is building the second largest destroyer after Zamvolta

Destroyer section of the destroyer Type 055, shipyard Jiangnan-Changxing, December 2014. It is assumed that the new ship will be launched in 2017, and put into operation in 2019.


Official Chinese sources claim that the first eight destroyers of the Type 055 will be equipped with a conventional GEM consisting of four gas turbines QC-280 (a copy of the American General Electric LM2500). Destroyers of the next sub-series will receive a nuclear power plant, which will provide them with unlimited navigation range.

The English-speaking experts are skeptical of this statement: the previous operating experience of surface combatants from YASU confirmed the excessive cost of their operation, which was not compensated by any real advantages (the autonomy of the ship was not limited to fuel). As a result, the US Navy wrote off their last nuclear cruiser twenty years ago. The Russian Navy is exploiting a couple of the remaining Orlans, due to the lack of any real alternative. That's all. For today in the world there are no projects of non-avinos naval warships with YSU.

Due to the lack of official images Type 055, the main intrigue remains the architectural appearance of the Chinese destroyer. Will it be based on the concept of the American “Zamvolta” or will the Chinese shipbuilders follow a more familiar path, continuing the further evolution of the “berco-shaped” destroyers?


Early image Type 055


It so happened that all modern destroyers (American “Arly Burke”, British “Daring”, Japanese “Atago” and “Akizuki”, Indian “Kolkata”) are, first of all, specialized air defense ships. Which, of course, does not negate their reasonable universality.

This is facilitated by two reasons:

1. The main threat in modern naval combat is the means of air attack.

2. To accommodate advanced detection equipment onboard, to ensure an adequate height for the installation of antenna posts and to have sufficient ammunition for long-range anti-aircraft missiles, a large ocean-going warship with a displacement of at least 7-8 thousand tons is required. Given the need to ensure versatility, good seaworthiness and high autonomy, the displacement of modern destroyers often reaches 10 and more than thousands of tons.

Actually, long-range SAMs and zonal air defense / missile defense systems are the main reason for the existence of destroyers (cruisers) in our time. All the other strike and defensive weapons (self-defense missile systems, PKR, PLUR, and self-defense systems) require an order of magnitude smaller volumes to be placed on board, so they can be successfully installed on more modest platforms (corvettes, frigates, LCS and even IAC) or on submarines .

Developing the subject of an air defense destroyer, the most effective is a scheme with two radar stations of different ranges:

- Radar centimeter range (foreign designation - X-band), which allows to form a “sharp” beam to detect low-flying small-sized objects (anti-ship missiles). The purpose of the station is the timely detection of low-flying anti-ship missiles, as soon as they rise above the horizon. A very crucial moment - less than a minute is left before the PKR hits the target. Time to spare, it is important processor speed and high refresh rate. Therefore, the highest requirements are imposed on these radars;

- Survey radar decimeter range (S or L-band) to detect targets at large distances, up to low near-Earth orbits. Due to the fact that the decimeter radar detection range is higher with the same output power than the one operating in the centimeter range, because signal power loss increases with frequency.

Many questions about the Type 055 can be answered by its full-size model being built in Hubei. According to popular photographs, the layout of the Chinese destroyer is more consistent with the British “Derring”.


Estimated layout length exceeds 160 meters



In the background is visible mock aircraft carrier with a "springboard"


Antenna post radar tracking horizon (X), obviously, will be located at the top of the foremast - for maximum expansion of the radio horizon.

In the aft part of the destroyer it is planned to equip another antenna post for early warning radar (like the British S1850M).

Due to the technological advances of recent years, all Chinese destroyers (like the Navy self-defense destroyers of Japan, the US Navy, India and all European countries) will be equipped with active phased antenna radars (AFAR).


Multifunctional mast - with AFAR “plates” located on its external surface, receiving-transmitting antennas of communication systems and sensors for various purposes. It is assumed that 055 Type destroyers will be equipped with a similar stealth pyramid.

Technology AFAR allows you to expand the scope of the radar. In addition to detecting air and sea targets, such stations are able to duplicate the tasks of navigation radars, detect floating mines, perform tasks of electronic reconnaissance equipment and, most importantly, assume the duties of radar targeting anti-aircraft missiles. An array of thousands of receiving and transmitting modules, each of which is able to work separately from the others (in practice, anti-personnel mines are grouped into modules of several dozen pieces to amplify the signal) allows you to generate dozens of individual rays to “illuminate” the targets and control the anti-aircraft missiles launched. The ship has a real opportunity to repel massive air attacks.


Destroyers under construction of the previous type (Type 052D), which are reduced copies of the American "Burke", with the introduction of a number of new technologies (AFAR) and its own weapons. At the moment, the lead destroyer Kunming has entered service, three more ships are being completed afloat. Before 2020, the PLA Navy must be supplemented with 12 missile destroyers. Type 052D





PS It is curious that the PLA Navy budget is only twice the budget of the Russian Navy. Due to the inconsistency of the cost-benefit ratio, an amazing paradox arises, the solution of which can be two conclusions. First: the Chinese are using slave labor in shipyards. The second, more obvious: the real budget of the Chinese fleet is strictly classified, and its value is several times higher than the published data.
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  1. +10
    18 February 2015 07: 04
    What can I say, the Chinese are great. Of course, the plans are grandiose, however, very realistic, unlike our "Leaders" ...
    1. +4
      18 February 2015 08: 19
      I look the Chinese decided to squeeze Japan and India in the region.
      1. 0
        20 February 2015 05: 32
        It can be seen that there are mistakes in the project, since I had to sculpt the underwater fins to reduce pitching ...
    2. +6
      18 February 2015 08: 29
      In - riveted and riveted - can rent their shipyards? Well, or a couple of thousand chines for rent - let us be handsome riveted fast.
      Well done, we need to be friends on a large scale, and strengthen the Pacific Fleet soon)
      1. +17
        18 February 2015 09: 12
        Quote: Gans1234
        we need to be friends on a large

        And what can we offer them

        Except Siberia and the Far East

        The population is ten times less. The economy is weaker by an order of magnitude (despite the fact that our budget is filled with oil exports, and theirs with industrial goods). Who are we to them?

        1. +1
          18 February 2015 09: 14
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Who are we to them?

          gas station
          1. +14
            18 February 2015 10: 07
            Prof, not your style. Why bother so finely? Better not write anything or write serious things - it suits you better.
            1. 0
              18 February 2015 10: 09
              Quote: Mairos
              Prof, not your style. Why bother so finely? Better not write anything or write serious things - it suits you better.

              These are not my words. That’s how my Chinese colleagues put it. The first time I heard this by the way in America.
              1. +14
                18 February 2015 10: 41
                Quote: professor
                That’s how my Chinese colleagues put it. The first time I heard this by the way in America.

                The right to laugh at Russia can only be earned by its citizenship
                1. -5
                  18 February 2015 11: 38
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  The right to laugh at Russia can only be earned by its citizenship

                  The right to laugh at America can only be earned by its citizenship? wink
                  1. 0
                    19 February 2015 02: 36
                    America is a country of immigrants, incl. Americans are all just not everyone as long as they have their citizenship ...
              2. The Art of War
                +5
                18 February 2015 12: 17
                laughing It’s clear now how China copies your Spike
              3. The Art of War
                +3
                18 February 2015 13: 17
                laughing The professor turned on the reverse about the gas station that it’s supposedly not his words, if it’s not your words, you would have initially written that your Chinese colleagues consider our country a gas station, and this is an excuse for a child
                1. -4
                  18 February 2015 13: 47
                  Quote: The Art of War
                  laughing The professor turned on the reverse about the gas station that it’s supposedly not his words, if it’s not your words, you would have initially written that your Chinese colleagues consider our country a gas station, and this is an excuse for a child

                  Your provocation has failed. When asked who "we" are for the Chinese (not for me or anyone else), I answered - a gas station.
              4. +4
                18 February 2015 13: 40
                Quote: professor
                gas station

                Quote: professor
                The first time I heard this by the way in America.

                The USA is a world leader in oil and gas production. They revolve around China offering LNG to them, they are not weakly straining to squeeze Russia out of the European market, they are concerned about the riches of the Arctic.
                So the name "gas station" doesn't sound as funny as it might seem.
              5. Tarhan
                +1
                18 February 2015 15: 08
                Everything was screaming here West, West. China must beware.

                The West is armed and predictable. There is no violation of international standards and Western weapons in a case.

                China is armed and dangerous. A totalitarian regime preaching the ideology of "Victory of communism throughout the world" is dangerous to everyone, and first of all to its neighbors. A totalitarian regime is unpredictable in its ambitions, inclinations, claims, desires. At any moment he can say this is mine, and if not mine, then of world communism.

                When China reaches the US level in armaments, and this will be a matter of time, it will not seem sweet to the neighbors. And then the West will be the best and closest partner to the fire-breathing mouth of the Azit dragon.
                1. 0
                  19 February 2015 02: 42
                  Did you remember the covers inspired by the memories of Syria, Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq and Nulanda with pies in Ukraine?

                  Don’t carry nonsense, communism has long since died, like utopia ... If you choose the best of two evils, I will choose China rather than the European beast ...

                  By the way, here, for example, is the first phrase of Angela Merkel for today at 1 am: "The governments of the European states will do everything to make Russia their partner again. We want to create a European world order together with Russia, not against it."
                  Ponder this proposal and perhaps you will find where it contains a call for genocide and imperialism.
                  1. Tarhan
                    -4
                    19 February 2015 08: 09
                    Thinking concreted by Kremlin propaganda. What did you find in the words of Merkel ominous?

                    Merkel, only, says that it is desirable that Russia become equal partner of Europe and the World. To build a new world order it is with Russia.

                    And for this, nothing is needed - for the Kremlin to comply with international standards and comply with the signed international treaties.

                    And according to your imagination and in words -

                    "How many wonderful moments we have
                    Give enlightenment spirit,
                    And experience son of difficult mistakes
                    And genius is a friend of paradoxes. "

                    You can find pornography and incest. (You know whose quatrains I brought. If you know well, if you do not know then this is Pushkin).
                    1. 0
                      19 February 2015 12: 21
                      Yes? For example, I see the words "European world order", or maybe I don't like this world order, and most importantly, why should there be a European world order that it creates?

                      And by the way, as you call "Thinking concreted by the Kremlin propaganda." Fortunately, this is anarchist thinking concreted by Washington when exporting democracy in the 90s to children in the Russian Federation and nothing more ...

                      Incl. it is better to live under authoritarianism than to die under its exported democracy like "exemplary Iraqi democracy" (this is the official quote of the main nigga of all earth) similar to the quality of export democratic goods of the 90s, 2000s, 201x
          2. The Art of War
            -1
            18 February 2015 12: 58
            Let's look at the reaction of Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee) regarding the professor’s quote at the gas station is banned or not?
            1. 0
              18 February 2015 13: 44
              Quote: The Art of War
              Let's look at the reaction of Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee) regarding the professor’s quote at the gas station is banned or not?

              What to ban? Which rule did I break?
              General rules on the site
              1. +7
                18 February 2015 15: 01
                You provoke very much !!! All the frustration in the comments starts because of you professor !!!
                1. -2
                  18 February 2015 17: 41
                  A professor is an ordinary Troll posing as an objective expert.
                  1. +5
                    19 February 2015 01: 59
                    Thanks to such trolls, many draw alternative and truthful information about foreign developments
                2. +2
                  19 February 2015 02: 03
                  provoke it in your opinion what?
                  talking real things !!!!!!!
                  let’s say that the S-300 has no analogue: let’s say that Kalash is the best in the world; and the T-90 is super
                  because at the level of intuition we all know what is wrong
                3. 0
                  20 February 2015 05: 34
                  Well, this is his job like that.
            2. +3
              18 February 2015 20: 46
              What did you get to the bottom of man? He shared his opinion and that’s all ...?!
          3. -2
            18 February 2015 15: 07
            Why did you get out again? The meaning of your insult? It’s just turning you away !!! But you expose your fellow citizens in a bad light !! There is no way to prove to all that Jews are a polite and reasonable people, no ... such individuals create a bad image for the Jewish people! !! On your profile picture you would like to unfasten your tongue with live scissors !!!!
          4. scripter
            +4
            18 February 2015 19: 24
            gas station

            ahah) in the bullseye.
            and not only for them.
          5. 0
            19 February 2015 02: 40
            And by the way, you call yourself a professor, but you don't even know that the Russian Federation cannot be a gas station because all equipment, both production and processing, is foreign. Therefore, it is more likely a "rock of oil", because it supplies only crude oil ...
        2. -4
          18 February 2015 10: 05
          Crying again? the whiners got sick! ".. there will be no war at all! How can you compare la-France and us .." (count-whiner from "Hussar Ballad"). Are you not tired of whining and self-deprecation?
        3. +1
          18 February 2015 13: 35
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          And what can we offer them

          Joint development of a wide-body aircraft, Zubry, for example.
        4. +1
          18 February 2015 17: 38
          What Mongolia will rake, and why should they steppes?))
      2. +9
        18 February 2015 09: 26
        Quote: Gans1234
        Well done, we need to be friends on a large scale.

        You can be friends in different ways. I am also "friends" with one girl, but I am totally against being "friends" with me as well. laughing
      3. +1
        18 February 2015 11: 06
        By the way, such an idea hovered at one time, but I think they should cope. We need to create jobs for ourselves, on the other hand, the Chinese will build faster, and ours needs time to build up. So the idea could be thought over. It seems like they are our allies.
      4. 0
        20 February 2015 05: 33
        Well, copy :)
        We need to build our own shipyards, it will be more useful.
      5. 0
        20 February 2015 05: 33
        Well, copy :)
        We need to build our own shipyards, it will be more useful.
  2. +4
    18 February 2015 07: 06
    Yes, while we are busy with frigates, they are already working on new destroyers
    As economists say, China is already the first economy in the world but only 5th
    So it seems to me that the PLA’s budget is probably 5 times higher than ours
  3. +10
    18 February 2015 07: 07
    "First: the Chinese use slave labor in the shipyards. Second, more obvious: the real budget of the Chinese fleet is strictly classified, and its value is several times higher than the published data."

    Well, firstly, slave-not slave, but somewhere near, and secondly, maybe there the sizes of kickbacks are not the same as in the Russian Federation? :-)
    1. +6
      18 February 2015 08: 56
      Rather, all together: both "slave" labor, and control, and priority (not fulfilled - the tower), and the budget is not cut so tightly (for this is also the tower), and the budget will still be more official
  4. +2
    18 February 2015 07: 14
    It’s time for us to lay the Leader. And let the lead ship Mercury be called winked
    1. 0
      18 February 2015 07: 27
      Quote: Wiruz
      And let the lead ship Mercury be called

      And why the warship is named after the god of commerce, it somehow looks suspicious, evokes all sorts of thoughts about corruption schemes :-)
      1. +5
        18 February 2015 08: 00
        And why the warship is named after the god of commerce, it somehow looks suspicious, evokes all sorts of thoughts about corruption schemes :-)

        And because the warship is named after the brig of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Empire, who emerged victorious from a battle with two Turkish battleships. It somehow brings up all sorts of thoughts about the fearlessness of Russian sailors hi
        1. +2
          18 February 2015 21: 53
          Then one could call "Memory of Mercury", such a name has already been in the history of the Russian fleet.
        2. 0
          18 February 2015 23: 39
          Quote: Wiruz
          And because the warship is named after the brig of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Empire, who emerged victorious from a battle with two Turkish battleships. It somehow brings up all sorts of thoughts about the fearlessness of Russian sailors hi

          I suppose that the "Mercury", like the "Varyag" and "Kirov" and "Slava" (renamed to Moscow) by special order in the fleet are transferred when the ship is decommissioned to the next one, I know about the "Mercury" (I was on an excursion in 1987 at of this painting or its reproduction in the Central Naval Museum) so the guide said that the name was saved in the Soviet Navy, at least for 1987 (most likely I will try to find the MRK now)
          1. 0
            19 February 2015 00: 02
            Quote: UNKNOWN
            so the guide said that in the Soviet Navy the name was saved, at least for 1987 (most likely I’ll try to find RTOs now)

            Almost guessed Hydrographic small vessel "Memory of Mercury" in the Fleet from 1968 to 1990 from 1990 to 1995 at the wall in Sevastopol 1995 sold (and here it was not without Svidomo, among other things, what Svidomo grabbers without nationality) sold to a tour company for transporting shuttles to Turkey , sank in January 2001. So, no more hydrograph or rescue and not "Mercury" but "Memory of Mercury"
            PS And childhood experiences for life good
        3. +1
          19 February 2015 00: 54
          Well, here the Turks have bluntly blunted, from the frigate there would be much more sense. If it’s still a shame for the 4th rank to chase a trifle .. Then the second one was generally the 1st line, except for port blockades where they were rarely used.
    2. +7
      18 February 2015 10: 13
      By 2030, there may be a Leader and a mortgage.
  5. +8
    18 February 2015 07: 20
    Interestingly, the budget of the PLA Navy is only twice the budget of the Russian Navy. Due to the discrepancy between the ratio of costs and results, an amazing paradox arises, the solution of which can be two conclusions. First: the Chinese use slave labor in shipyards. The second, more obvious: the real budget of the Chinese fleet is strictly classified

    No less obvious conclusion of the effectiveness of China's budget in the absence of endless chains of intermediaries, orders of magnitude smaller number of thieving and corrupt officials than ours, coupled with the incomprehensible impunity for damage and destruction of the state’s defense. A recent example is theft by the Accounting Chamber during the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome. Only theft detected, i.e. surface, part is 13 mlr. rub. Why the jambs of our regulatory and supervisory authorities reveal something not before, but after that, but most importantly they don’t find the stolen money. The author is right - an amazing paradox.
  6. +3
    18 February 2015 07: 46
    PS It is curious that the PLA Navy budget is only twice the budget of the Russian Navy. Due to the inconsistency of the cost-benefit ratio, an amazing paradox arises, the solution of which can be two conclusions. First: the Chinese are using slave labor in shipyards. The second, more obvious: the real budget of the Chinese fleet is strictly classified, and its value is several times higher than the published data.

    No, no and NO! They just do not have "huckster" intermediaries !!!
  7. +12
    18 February 2015 07: 57
    Interestingly, the budget of the PLA Navy is only twice the budget of the Russian Navy. Due to the discrepancy between the ratio of costs and results, an amazing paradox arises, the solution of which can be two conclusions. First: the Chinese use slave labor in shipyards. The second, more obvious: the real budget of the Chinese fleet is strictly classified, and its value is several times higher than the published data.


    Or the third, in China they saw less of the budget because it is fraught with the death penalty and, accordingly, the money goes to the fleet, and not to offshore.
    1. +3
      18 February 2015 09: 42
      Definitely less sawing.
      1. Bombardier
        +1
        18 February 2015 09: 53
        Quote: Hellbringer
        Definitely less sawing.


        Definitely, we do not know that they are definitely less likely to saw in China. If you have unambiguous data on the issue of cutting in the compared countries, please provide such data.
        Given the amount of money supply and the population of our two countries, I would not make such unambiguous statements.
    2. 0
      18 February 2015 11: 10
      the most corrupt and sawn budget for the defense industry is the US budget, that’s where you can deploy not on detski)))
    3. -2
      18 February 2015 15: 04
      You read about corruption in China))) !!!
      Sawing there is not much less, the matter is who is sawing))? A policeman and a private doctor, or teacher, will not take it, but the official will grab a millionaire of bucks, he knows what he risks !!
    4. -5
      18 February 2015 19: 33
      Quote: professor
      Interestingly, the budget of the PLA Navy is only twice the budget of the Russian Navy. Due to the discrepancy between the ratio of costs and results, an amazing paradox arises, the solution of which can be two conclusions. First: the Chinese use slave labor in shipyards. The second, more obvious: the real budget of the Chinese fleet is strictly classified, and its value is several times higher than the published data.


      Or the third, in China they saw less of the budget because it is fraught with the death penalty and, accordingly, the money goes to the fleet, and not to offshore.

      Professor, you are a demagogue. Do you receive invoices from offshore companies on kickbacks to our thieves, or in China, the death penalty for stealing, has changed anything?
    5. +1
      19 February 2015 00: 14
      Quote: professor
      Or the third, in China they saw less of the budget because it is fraught with the death penalty and, accordingly, the money goes to the fleet, and not to offshore.

      Well, "professor", you flatter Us, unfortunately if tomorrow they stop cutting, but as in Soviet times with a rush and for an idea, we will still face technological and design difficulties, but today you here enrage people (troll) not in order to discuss them seriously laughing
  8. +6
    18 February 2015 08: 07
    The laying of a promising destroyer (missile cruiser) Type 055, along with the adoption of the aircraft carrier "Liaoning" was another sinister event, confirmed the ambitions of China as a contender for the great maritime power.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    Yet why does the author consider the creation of a Chinese fleet with one single aircraft carrier an "ominous" sign? What, then, is the existence of a giant American fleet, which includes a dozen aircraft carriers, most of which are more advanced than the Chinese?
    And it seems to me that any other country in the place of China would act in a similar way.
    The US Navy is a direct threat to the supply chain of raw materials to China ...
    1. +5
      18 February 2015 08: 59
      15 years ago, no one could even think of such a thing, 10 years ago, the Kitaez bought our 968 from us, now they are already riveting their modern fleet of the Oka type - by 20, they will finish their first experience by the year, will receive new navics during this time of the construction process, economically still more will turn brown, and then they will go to the end in spacing. This is what scares everyone
    2. +2
      18 February 2015 15: 44
      Quote: Crabio
      Yet why does the author consider the creation of a Chinese fleet with one single aircraft carrier an "ominous" sign?

      before the year 20, two more ABs will be laid, one sister ship "Varyag", the second something in between "Ulyanovsk" and "Nimitz" with a nuclear power plant ...
    3. +1
      18 February 2015 19: 20
      Quote: Crabio
      Why does the author consider the creation of a Chinese fleet with one single aircraft carrier an "ominous" sign? What, then, is the existence of a giant American fleet, which includes a dozen aircraft carriers, most of which are more advanced than the Chinese?


      Bravo! Well said! As if China bombed each year around the country, surrounds the Russian Federation with missile defense systems and threatens with a quick disarming strike, etc.

      Of course, the Chinese world will always be separate from our Eurasian world - but in the next 20-30 years we are clearly allies against a more terrible - truly "sinister" enemy
      1. +2
        18 February 2015 23: 34
        "more terrible - truly" sinister "enemy"

        Ukraine is beneficial to many, before "Crimea" talk about corruption began to seep in the news again, Putin's rating plummeted just as Obama's rating was falling among the Americans.

        And now? All real problems are forgotten and only Ukraine is in the news!

        Who benefits? Think for yourself, decide for yourself ...
  9. +8
    18 February 2015 08: 26
    PS It is curious that the PLA Navy budget is only twice the budget of the Russian Navy. Due to the inconsistency of the cost-benefit ratio, an amazing paradox arises, the solution of which can be two conclusions. First: the Chinese are using slave labor in shipyards. The second, more obvious: the real budget of the Chinese fleet is strictly classified, and its value is several times higher than the published data.

    There are no special secrets. China's shipbuilding industry is at a very high level, respectively, costs are much less. Well, the corruption component is less.
    PS: On June 3, 2005, on the island of Changxing, at the mouth of the Yangtze River, the construction of the Jiang Shipyard began. In FOUR! years already surrendered the first phase of the shipbuilding base.
    The new 3,8 km long shipyard along the coastline has 4 large docks and three production lines, has facilities for the production of ships with a total tonnage of 4,5 million tons per year
    052D destroyers are being built at the Jiang Shipyard, and aircraft carriers will also be building.
    We don’t have to dream of such a thing ...
    1. 0
      18 February 2015 09: 06
      But what about the Zvezda Far East plant? Not 4 years, of course, and in general it is not known how many, since they have not finished building yet, but they are building.
      1. +18
        18 February 2015 09: 15
        Quote: Guzey
        But what about the Far Eastern Plant

        The Amur Shipyard has been building the Sovereign Corvette for the ninth year (bookmarked in June 2006). Displacement 2200 tons



        The Ministry of Defense postponed the sea trials of the Perfect Corvette of the 20380 project, which has been under construction since the 2006 of the year at the Amur Shipyard in Komsomolsk-on-Amur for a year. Now the tests are planned for the 2014 year, and not for the 2013. A senior source in the commander-in-chief of the Navy told Izvestia that the cause was the failure to make the ship.

        - The situation was discussed at a recent meeting in the high command. To date, the formation of the building has only been completed, although the superstructure was transferred to the plant last fall. The propulsion system is also not ready. In general, we are talking about the inability of the shipyard to build a ship, ”he said.

        According to the original plan, in the first half of this year, mooring tests were to pass, in the fourth quarter - sea trials. Obviously, they will not take place, therefore the new deadline for the ship is the end of the 2014 of the year, said the officer


        In the yard 2015, but the corvette is still unfinished
        1. 0
          18 February 2015 09: 40
          I’m aware of this, and it’s sad, but still the largest plant in Russia will, at a special status, be likely to collect workers from all over the country, so the smoldering hope is that everything will be fine, albeit not immediately.
          1. +4
            18 February 2015 12: 26
            and how is that good? if you have two half-empty buckets, from the fact that you merge it into one, you will no longer have water.
          2. +4
            18 February 2015 12: 42
            Quote: Guzey
            I’m aware of this, and it’s sad, but still the largest plant in Russia will, at a special status, be likely to collect workers from all over the country, so the smoldering hope is that everything will be fine, albeit not immediately.

            Workers would be found on the spot, there would be a normal salary corresponding to the living conditions in our harsh lands. In the meantime, people are just leaving Komsomolsk. Yes, and the leadership of the Amur Shipbuilding Company was frankly not the first director to change the financial abuse, but no one was actually held accountable.
        2. +2
          18 February 2015 12: 20
          4 corvettes are already in service today. All left the "northern shipyard", 5 more seem to be under construction.
          The fact that one of 20380 was given to Cupid is more an exception than a rule. The reason is not clear to me, apparently in order to unload the Northern shipyard. Apparently a bad decision.
          This of course does not justify the construction time in St. Petersburg and does not go to any comparison with the same Chinese.
          In the Russian Federation, it is necessary to solve systemic issues; without this, money will continue to flow into black holes.
          By the way, I remember the states built 2-3 Burke a year. Very cool, I think.
          They need, maritime power, the easiest way to enter / pick up democracy is through the navy!
        3. +3
          18 February 2015 13: 57
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          In the yard 2015, but the corvette is still unfinished

          On "Yantar" there is the same poor fellow "Ivan Gren"
          But nevertheless, four frigates of pr.11356 for Uncle Chernomor are being built there at the same time, the pace of construction is higher than during the Union, this is a paradox.
          1. +3
            18 February 2015 20: 40
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            On "Yantar" there is the same poor fellow "Ivan Gren"

            Can he turn it into a museum right away?
            1. 0
              19 February 2015 20: 37
              Quote: Bayonet
              Can he turn it into a museum right away?

              Yes, probably you're right, what will be written on the plate? I’m really interested as soon as customers did not distort him.
      2. +5
        18 February 2015 09: 51
        The leadership of the Far Eastern shipbuilding center is wanted after the theft of 4,0 billion rubles, and it will look like it will take a long time to build.
  10. +1
    18 February 2015 09: 43
    more than not weak, well done Chinese. judging by the description, a powerful ship will be when they are built. I would like to see Russia's response, or rather a project that will be built in the future. and then they showed a lot of layouts, but it’s not clear which one will stand unarmed
    1. +6
      18 February 2015 11: 50
      How much money is enough. "Nakhimov" has been renovated since 1999. So much was cut on it during this time that it was possible to build another series of 4 1144 with that money.
  11. +1
    18 February 2015 10: 21
    In comparison, the "bitter" truth is known am It’s time to finish cutting the dough already. The resources are not endless.
  12. +2
    18 February 2015 10: 51
    Interestingly, the budget of the PLA Navy is only twice the budget of the Russian Navy. Due to the discrepancy between the ratio of costs and results, an amazing paradox arises, the solution of which can be two conclusions. First: the Chinese use slave labor in shipyards. ---------------- but there is a third option, higher labor productivity, fewer kickbacks and better planning and stability of the state order.
    1. +2
      18 February 2015 11: 26
      China is simply building its fleet at a "shock" pace. Moreover, gradually putting into operation ships of more and more new classes. One can only "envy". Well done.
  13. +2
    18 February 2015 11: 31
    Quote: Nayhas
    PS: On June 3, 2005, on the island of Changxing, at the mouth of the Yangtze River, the construction of the Jiang Shipyard began. In FOUR! years already surrendered the first phase of the shipbuilding base.

    Yes, they are building just shock, in Belarus, a Chinese contractor participated in the construction of a cement plant, and so, with less dangerous work than our installers at height, the number of accidents was not comparable higher. Even the rumor went that the Chinese were killed almost every week, but there were no disassembly of incidents in such cases, and therefore no one knows what actually happened.
  14. +7
    18 February 2015 11: 50
    Many questions about the 055 Type can be answered by its full-size mock-up being built in Hubei.

    Oleg, this information is slightly outdated, the model of the destroyer is already built.
    Satellite photo:
    1. +1
      18 February 2015 14: 05
      Yes, it’s much more like Daring than Zamvolt. I don’t say anything about the aircraft carrier. On the one hand, yes, quickly, and on the other hand, a couple of days ago 1 wrote, on the other topic, that Chinese ships are completely out in every way. Well, we don’t know what applies to all types of naval weapons — real, not advertising and prospect characteristics, but in terms of Chinese models of marine equipment, there are especially many questions.
  15. +4
    18 February 2015 11: 55
    China's shipbuilding industry is recognized as one of the most important sectors for the country's economy, and the Chinese shipbuilding market has a steady upward trend. Speaking about the successes of China in the field of shipbuilding, many experts note that the growth of this sector of the economy is due to the cheapness of the workforce. But today this is only partially true, since, having received the initial impetus, the industry begins to rely on innovative technologies and pays great attention to independent high-tech developments.

    Today, China's industry is still not able to produce all the necessary ship equipment, and this dependence of Chinese shipbuilding on the import of a significant part of shipbuilding materials and equipment reduces the efficiency of national shipbuilding production. Therefore, the Ministry of Commerce of China, which controls the import of advanced machinery and equipment, provides shipbuilding facilities with benefits and even financial support for the purchase of technologies and equipment that are important for the development of the industry.

    In 1999, the General State Company of the Shipbuilding Industry of China, combining all shipbuilding and ship repair in the country, was reorganized. In the process of corporation, two large vertically integrated companies were created: China State Shipbuilding Corp. (China State Shipbuilding Corporation - KGSK) and China Shipbuilding Industry Corp. (China Shipbuilding Industrial Corporation - KSPK). For many years in China, state-owned shipbuilding companies have absolutely prevailed in shipbuilding.

    In 2009, China managed to bypass South Korea in terms of shipbuilding, occupying a leading position over the past 20 years, and thereby for the first time in history to take first place in the world. This result was achieved through an unprecedented scale program to support national shipbuilders. To Kaptsov’s fiction about slave labor and the size of the budget in China, you just have to dig less and work more, and not tell the president at the meetings of the Maritime College that it’s easier to buy everything abroad.
  16. The Art of War
    +1
    18 February 2015 12: 43
    The 4th Chinese DVKD pr.071 http://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/315149.html was launched
  17. +2
    18 February 2015 13: 34
    And there is a third conclusion that the Russian Federation is trying not to notice - they saw much less and work more diligently and more qualifiedly ...
  18. +1
    18 February 2015 14: 30
    > It is curious that the PLA Navy's budget is only twice the budget of the Russian Navy. In view of the inconsistency of the ratio of costs and benefits, a surprising paradox arises, the solution of which can be two conclusions. First, the Chinese use slave labor in shipyards. The second, more obvious one: the real budget of the Chinese fleet is strictly classified, and its value is several times higher than the published data.

    there is a third option - they saw less
    PS. Of course, I’m not original, and it was this topic that interested many, but what to do, the question causes obvious interest
    1. ICT
      +1
      18 February 2015 15: 51
      Quote: xtur
      xtur (2)



      I READ YOUR COMMENT and the thought came that rather they are adding up all three of the options you cited
  19. +3
    18 February 2015 18: 04
    Hmm .. regarding the fleet budget - there is a THIRD option - in Russia, most of the budget is sawn for pocket money - in China they hang up for theft on Tianan Men Square and in Russia for kickbacks - they fall into DUMA!
  20. +8
    18 February 2015 18: 35
    We don’t need to forge things now, and we don’t have to think about distant oceans, just as we would not like. And we need to hammer the kids and rockets in order to survive. What are aircraft carriers, peasants? We ourselves will not be left soon.
  21. 0
    19 February 2015 02: 10
    Russia needs to quickly resolve the issue of approving and laying the Leaders ... the main striking force of the fleet is the destroyers and the Chinese understand this. Moreover, we need a lot of destroyers if we want to maintain our interests and continue to be a strong ocean power.
  22. +2
    19 February 2015 06: 16
    Colleagues! I will "reveal" for you a big secret about our great neighbor - that is, China:
    1) a large part of the population of the PRC lives between the Yangtze (Blue) and Yellow River (Yellow) rivers, as well as in southern China, to the north in Manchuria and Inner Mongolia, the population density is much lower (not looking for general overpopulation). The reason is arable land and a climate conducive to agriculture. China is still largely an agrarian country, despite all the successes of industrialization.
    2) China’s military strategy (and political one as well) since ancient times was based on the fact that Chinese warriors will and can only fight on their land to defend themselves from an external enemy. All successful Chinese campaigns were limited to the same Manchuria and Tibet (which the Chinese considered and still consider their territory). There were no changes in this area in the PRC.
    Therefore, it is not worth fearing a war with the PRC over the territory of the Far East, Primorye and Kazakhstan. This land is not very suitable for the permanent residence of the Chinese. Another thing is the lease of land suitable in the agricultural sector of the economy. In addition, China's economy is very resource intensive. They need not only oil and gas, but also metals and much more. And all this is much easier to buy than to first conquer lands with unclear and unpredictable results, then conduct research and development on their own, etc.
    However, I do not insist that my opinion is the only correct one. But I can give a simple example: after the collapse of the USSR, in the early 90s, the Chinese rented one large agricultural enterprise in Central Kazakhstan in order to grow the food they needed. But they lasted about 2 years, then to leave and not appear again. And on these lands now our farmers continue to grow potatoes and fodder crops for livestock.
    I have the honor.
  23. 0
    20 February 2015 15: 41
    PS It is curious that the PLA Navy budget is only twice the budget of the Russian Navy. Due to the inconsistency of the cost-benefit ratio, an amazing paradox arises, the solution of which can be two conclusions. First: the Chinese are using slave labor in shipyards. The second, more obvious: the real budget of the Chinese fleet is strictly classified, and its value is several times higher than the published data.

    there is a third option. in China there is a death penalty for sawing.