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The mysterious submarine "Sarov"

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The mysterious submarine "Sarov"



The most mysterious submarine of the Russian Navy once again surfaced in the summer of the 2010 of the year. According to representatives of the Severodvinsk naval base, another upgrade was carried out on the Sarov submarine, despite the fact that the boat itself was commissioned in August 2008. The pilot diesel-electric submarine ("B") is the development of the draft design of the Sargan submarine-stand, launched in 1988 by Rubin Central Design Bureau, under the supervision of Chief Designer A.V. Balov (the project was completed in March 1988) . In March 1989, a technical design was approved and the development of working drawings was launched. There is an assumption that the substructure of the submarine 877B served as the basis of the supporting structure of the hull.

At the shipyard OPK RF "Zvezdochka" confirmed the fact that the diesel-electric large submarine B-90 "Sarov" in 2010, really was in their waters. But from the comments on the work carried out delicately evaded. However, this is understandable. This ship, as was reported on the day the naval flag was hoisted on its flagpole, was designed for testing and subsequent testing of "new and improved samples of deep-water equipment, armament and supporting deck systems."

For a more accurate understanding, "Sarov" is a universal test bench, which is designed "for extremely long-term operation and the practical possibility of repeated upgrades." However, outwardly, this is a real submarine, which has a typical cabin shaped cabin, the contours of the outer hull that is something remotely resembling bomblers built according to the 667A project. But there are obvious differences - for example, from the central part to the nose compartment there are oblong hull projections, which, of course, does not make the ship's hydrodynamics better and, as a result, affects its cruising speed. But, obviously, not these figures are set as the main ones for Sarov.

One of the main tasks that was solved when the submarine was launched was the installation of a compact nuclear reactor as a reserve propulsion engine on a diesel submarine. The main goal is to give the fleet inexpensive and at the same time reliable warship, with the possibility of long autonomous navigation in underwater mode, like expensive nuclear submarines.

The ship was supposed to be ready for delivery in the 1993 year. But the lack of adequate funding had a negative effect on the progress of work, which was often interrupted, and in 1996, they were completely frozen at all in 40% readiness. Only five years later, after a joint decision of the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Defense, the construction of an experimental submarine was resumed - already under a technical project partially adjusted in the TsDB MT Rubin.

In August, 2003, using the Mariinsky water system, the unfinished submarine was relocated to Severodvinsk. Three years later, 19 in March 2006 of the year, on the day of the submarine fleet of the Russian Federation's 100 anniversary, a new mortgage board was installed on this order in the building plant of Sevmash. In March 2007, at the request of the nuclear center in Sarov, the experimental ship was given the open name "Sarov". In the same year, the captain of the I rank who came to visit the factory workers, crew commander Sergei Kroshkin first appeared on the pages of the local press, which caused an unprecedented surge of espionage passions, and later required unpleasant explanations directly from the commander himself, as well as his superiors.


Out to sea 06.06.2011, photo kuleshovoleg, http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com


14 December 2007 of the year The submarine was launched from the Sevmash assembly shop and December 24 of the year 2007 was launched (in the military port of Severodvinsk) without public announcement. However, the information in the press, despite all the precautions, still leaked. In July, 2008, the boat passed the necessary factory running, and later state tests and transferred to the balance of the Navy 7 August 2008 year. Since 2009, the submarine is based on the Northern Fleet, the city of Severodvinsk.

In the period from 2008, the ship performed many special tasks, it should be noted that for each successive test the ship was subjected to technical refinement and modernization in the factory. The next upgrade in 2010, according to unofficial information, was associated with the development of a completely new type of power plant. However, neither the factory nor the design bureau does not comment on this information and does not confirm it.

Some TTK PL "Sarov":
Crew - 52 man (officers and midshipmen).
Draft - 7 m.
Length - 72.6 m.
Width - 9.9 m.
Underwater displacement - 3950 t.
Displacement overhead - 2300 t.
Diving speed - 17 knots.
Floating Speed ​​- 10 knots
Maximum immersion depth - 300 m.
The time spent in the underwater mode is up to 20 days.
Full autonomy, not less than - 45 days
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  1. Su-9
    Su-9 19 October 2013 08: 54
    21
    As I understand it, the main goal of Sarov now is to develop an air-independent fuel cell engine for the new Frets?
    Just the place should be enough instead of the reactor.
    1. rolik
      rolik 19 October 2013 13: 59
      40
      Quote: Su-9
      As I understand it, the main goal of Sarov now is to develop an air-independent fuel cell engine for the new Frets?

      The hydrogen engine there began to be worked out last year (at the end of the year). And also, let's say, new screws were worked out at Sarov (if you can call them that) bully
      These engines then (after improvements and tests) should stand on the Lada, they want to put on the Cupids. But against this, I personally am categorically against it. But whoever will listen to me, the authorities have a big head - they know better hi
      Our engines will be more interesting than German, autonomy will be much higher. Well, in addition, there were new ones, acoustics, a combat information system. In general, a box of miracles is full))))
      1. doktor_alex
        doktor_alex 19 October 2013 14: 14
        23
        Quote: rolik
        The hydrogen engine there began to be worked out last year (at the end of the year).

        Where did the firewood come from? If these are not rumors and you are from Zvezdochka, then you need to be careful. I think that from the other side of the planet, people in the competent authorities do not hesitate to read sites on this topic. Or was this information already in the open press?
        1. Su-9
          Su-9 19 October 2013 18: 09
          +4
          Here, in general, it’s not difficult to guess, even sitting at a computer in Nizhneudinsk (nothing bad about the city). You don't have to be an analyst.
          Yes, and about LSI, too.
          1. doktor_alex
            doktor_alex 19 October 2013 20: 11
            11
            When I was on it, I could not guess what it was needed for, for so much everything is secret, and the Nizhneudinsk computer analysts "figured out" at a time only from the pictures)))
            1. user
              user 24 October 2013 10: 18
              +1
              Some TTK PL "Sarov":
              Crew - 52 man (officers and midshipmen).

              I wonder who clean the latrine
              1. shark
                shark 24 October 2013 12: 19
                +4
                and he is also a ballast cistern. He washes himself shorter laughing I just didn’t catch the point of the article? Tell everyone that we have a mysterious, secret boat?
              2. Alexander Butakov
                Alexander Butakov April 3 2017 09: 43
                0
                Is this the most exciting question for you? You are not from Ukraine for an hour?
            2. Grigory_78
              Grigory_78 1 March 2017 13: 44
              0
              "Submarine - stand" for "new and improved samples of deep-sea equipment, weapons and deck systems providing them." To test new submarine equipment that can be installed on it. This is clear from the very definition of "stand." What is being practiced right now - this is a real military secret, I'm not talking about the characteristics.
        2. old man54
          old man54 20 October 2013 06: 39
          +7
          Quote: doktor_alex
          I think that on the other side of the planet, people in the competent authorities do not disdain to read sites on this topic.

          sorry, but do not write nonsense, not 1950 year in the yard tea! They will deal with this nonsense, flipping through our site! laughing Now, with our openness, mass venality and selfishness of officials and bureaucrats, they probably already know almost everything! If under the USSR they managed to steal and learn secrets, then now, O-O-O-O. recourse
          Remember the film "Kursk, a boat in troubled water" by the Frenchman Carré, there the CIA-schnick Pope directly says that he bought documents from a direct developer for the Shkval rocket-torpedo, which has no analogues in the world. Like this, and you are here ... request
          1. doktor_alex
            doktor_alex 20 October 2013 13: 09
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            Sorry, but you would not write nonsense either. To put it mildly, you do not know how this secret is protected, and you forget that now it is not the dashing nineties when everything was bought and sold at all. I do not want to describe for a long time what, how and why, but a VERY VERY narrow circle of people knows about what is located in a certain part of this boat, these people are probably all counted and we will look after, the secrecy mode is such that even most of the designers from the Central Design Bureau MT Rubin do not know for sure what is there. And about "Kursk in troubled water, etc." so I can also shoot the documentary "Sarov in the Purple Smoke", plant a fake "CIA officer" and we will tell you about the fact that all the drawings in the USA were personally handed over by Spassky, because he lost them to us in a billiards game out of drunkenness in the country.
            Z.Y. You shouldn’t underestimate our GB-Schnicks, in the north of the sailor 20 seconds later they took him by the arms, and he just took a picture against the background of a losharik standing far in the dock. From so on.
            1. Denis
              Denis 21 October 2013 04: 58
              0
              Quote: doktor_alex
              Sorry, but you wouldn’t write nonsense either.
              Kamrad, what are you talking about? If already
              Film by Frenchman Carré "Kursk, a boat in troubled water"
              trustworthy then ...
          2. Denis
            Denis 21 October 2013 04: 55
            0
            Quote: old man54
            I bought docs for the Shkval missile torpedo
            I bought it here, but bought it?
            No, they took ... opa, they also talked a lot about that
          3. Jin
            Jin 24 October 2013 12: 37
            0
            Quote: old man54
            sorry, but do not write nonsense, not 1950, tea in the yard!


            Hello Andrew, good to see you!
          4. besserbest
            besserbest 23 October 2016 20: 20
            +1
            If this Pope bought ... On this "Flurry" the office has caught so many "fish" ... C 72 or 70 in service? And analogs, bye-bye ...
        3. rolik
          rolik 20 October 2013 12: 47
          16
          Quote: doktor_alex
          Where did the firewood come from? If these are not rumors and you are from Zvezdochka,

          I work on "Seva")))))) I didn’t give out anything secret)))) I didn’t write about exactly which screws were supplied))))) I didn’t give the engine performance))))))
          Although beloved wives all the time grumbles that soon people in black will come to visit us)))))))
          1. jjj
            jjj 20 October 2013 16: 11
            +4
            Well, you are not far from Republican
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 20 October 2013 16: 28
              +7
              Quote: jjj
              to you from the Republican go near
              He was at one time on business in this inconspicuous-looking house on a quiet street. It leaves a serious impression when you get to know each other ... lol It's not even surprising that the address hasn't changed. There is in the garrison Gvardeyskoe (formerly - Simferopol-12), too, such a seemingly quiet house. The OO nestled there even before the war, during the war the corresponding German services lived there, and after the liberation and until now - all the same "fighters of the invisible front" ... lol
            2. rolik
              rolik 20 October 2013 22: 11
              +4
              Quote: jjj
              Well, you are not far from Republican

              We from the FMS do not need anyone to visit)))))))) (a joke), and people with a piercing gaze are sitting in the central building. They are not far to go to workshop 57)))))
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 20 October 2013 22: 31
                +2
                Quote: rolik
                people with a piercing gaze in the central building are sitting.
                In my time, the head of the first department was the KGB general. An interesting man, albeit a bit sharp (talked personally)
                1. rolik
                  rolik 21 October 2013 10: 39
                  +3
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  In my time, the head of the first department was the KGB general. An interesting man, albeit a bit sharp (talked personally)

                  Now the "underground" is in command, did not communicate personally)))))) this is probably for the best))))
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 21 October 2013 10: 59
                    +9
                    Quote: rolik
                    Now the "underground" is in command, did not communicate personally)))))) this is probably for the best))))
                    Who knows ... That general had a direct superior at the very top, so he could very well afford the independence of judgments and actions without regard to a whole crowd of superior curators. And I talked to him when it was required to engrave on the sealers (for each unit commander, his own). And literally on the eve they caught grunts who stole alcohol, forged a mastic seal (as was supposed, precisely on this engraving site). Therefore, the authorities were atrocious and no one dared to command. So, on the instructions of the commander, I had to go all the way through the government offices in search of someone who would risk giving the go-ahead for manufacturing. From the next boss (after his refusal), he only asked me to sign a report indicating the position, if he had nothing against it. So I got 2 days before this general laughing The paper by that time already looked like a masterpiece, the general’s glasses got on his forehead when he read all this bunch of signatures ... laughing Then he swore at all this "herd of idiots" and delivered his resolution. The head of the section almost hid under the table when I showed him a paper with THIS signature. But everything was done right at lunchtime within half an hour. good
                    1. rolik
                      rolik 21 October 2013 11: 09
                      +8
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      But everything was done right at lunchtime for half an hour

                      We can do it, after a magic pendal, we can do everything with a moment drinks
          2. old man54
            old man54 21 October 2013 01: 58
            +2
            Quote: rolik
            Although beloved wives grumble all the time that soon people in black will come to visit us)

            but with her and it is necessary to conduct a preventive conversation, as a husband, that would not "croak" and do not call trouble in the house, sorry.
            But even with this, of course, you should not relax, I think so. hi
            1. rolik
              rolik 21 October 2013 12: 09
              +1
              Quote: old man54
              But even with this, of course, it’s not worth relaxing, I think so

              And we never relax, so that, as in a famous joke, it didn’t work out)))))))) My wife is a medical worker, she always has a mania of an abandoned instrument)))))
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 25 October 2013 12: 05
        +2
        Ahhh ... Quiet screws, with reduced cavitation?
        Well, and of course the GNI.
        What can I say, cheers! I am very happy about this!
    2. Civil
      Civil 20 October 2013 15: 40
      +2
      15 years to finish) okay, at least not sawed)))
    3. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 20 October 2013 21: 16
      +6
      It's a pity that the Lyra (Alpha) project does not want to revive and develop - it was a wonderful submarine. Automated (crew up to 30 people), quiet, super fast (about 40 knots). To bring to mind the power plant and commission up to 20 such nuclear submarines and goodbye to the numerical superiority of the US and Chinese navies.
      1. GDP
        GDP 23 October 2013 11: 48
        +5
        Alpha is a legendary submarine, not like submarines, even many torpedoes could not catch it!
        + titanium case and incredible reliability for 20 years, not a single person has died ...
  2. Andrey57
    Andrey57 19 October 2013 09: 37
    10
    It seems that this is something completely new being worked out - if in fact the boat has a compact reactor, then a combined system is obtained, plus the possibility of obtaining oxygen from water and air regeneration, but these are just the assumptions of a layman ... hi
  3. avt
    avt 19 October 2013 11: 10
    24
    A full-fledged experimental ship. good And thank God that something is being worked out on it, and not tormented on the head boat!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 19 October 2013 12: 45
      15
      Quote: avt
      A full-fledged experimental ship.

      Expensive pleasure, but at the same time, very necessary.
      It remains only to wish the system developers and the test crew the success.
      The fleet is waiting for you BREAKTHROUGH!!!
  4. crambol
    crambol 19 October 2013 12: 31
    15
    From my point of view, a former employee of the research institute, experimental (for conducting experiments. Do not confuse with experienced) installations - the most interesting thing in the world!
  5. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 19 October 2013 12: 57
    +7
    Quote: crambol
    From my point of view, a former employee of the research institute, experimental (for conducting experiments. Do not confuse with experienced) installations - the most interesting thing in the world!

    with two hands for !!!!! I support unconditionally
  6. Vorkot cat
    Vorkot cat 19 October 2013 13: 17
    +4
    The main thing is not to stand still. Yeltsin did things.

    Putin is doing the right thing.
  7. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 19 October 2013 13: 20
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    One of the main tasks that was solved when the submarine was launched was the installation of a compact nuclear reactor as a backup propulsion system on a diesel submarine. The main goal is to give the fleet an inexpensive and at the same time reliable warship, which has the ability to long autonomous navigation in underwater mode, like expensive submarines.

    Everything new is well forgotten old! In my time, compact nuclear power plants for external placement of the so-called. "Chamomile". In fact, these were the nuclear power plants "BES-1975", adopted by the Navy in 5, with an output email. power of 2,8 kW and a resource of 1080 hours. They were supposed to equip the submarine pr.641b. The government set the task to increase the power of the installation to 3,0 kW, and the resource - to 6-12 months. As a result, we got - 2,4 kW / 6 months. Such an installation is practically silent, it allows to ensure a minimum underwater run, to charge the battery without surfacing in the NP, to ensure the minimum consumption of electricity by the consumers of the first stage. Therefore, it is logical to assume that now the problem of direct conversion of thermal energy into electrical energy by means of a thermionic reactor-converter is being solved. The so-called nuclear power plant with a TRP for operation on an electric propulsion system (electric propulsion system).
    And as for the apparatus for deep-sea research - this is most likely a legend, because 300 is not 1200, like Plyvun. It seems to me.
  8. Misantrop
    Misantrop 19 October 2013 13: 29
    12
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    In my time, compact nuclear power plants for external placement of the so-called. "Chamomile"

    There was also "Nyurka". Submarine 641 of the project, on which the nuclear power plant was mounted instead of the main diesel engines. She was based in Dvinsk on the NSR. Such ships are EXTREMELY needed. It's still much cheaper than a failed serial remodel ... request Especially - if you do not want to lag behind the tail of progress ...
  9. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 19 October 2013 13: 34
    +5
    It is clear that this is an experimental submarine with unconventional energy supply. And it is good that the state has the funds to carry out these works. Only I do not really understand the hype that arose around this ship. The new must be securely closed from enemy eyes.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 October 2013 17: 12
      12
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      The new must be securely closed from enemy eyes.

      Evgeny Ivanovich! Stalinist You are our dear! There is a site "Made by us". So there, not giving a damn about the 010 order, an article is posted, which says:
      "The Central Design Bureau of Marine Engineering (CDB MT)" Rubin "is conducting bench tests of an air-independent power plant (VNEU) with an electrochemical generator for non-nuclear submarines. General Director of JSC CDB MT" Rubin "Andrey Dyachkov told RIA Novosti on Tuesday. This power plant is as follows: hydrogen is obtained directly on board the submarine by processing diesel fuel.
      “Analyzing the status of work on this topic, we made the following conclusion: VNEU should not only ensure a long stay of the boat in an underwater position, but at the same time maintain secrecy and be safe enough,” said the head of the Central Design Bureau of MT Rubin.
      So the whole secret is not in fact, but in technology (know-how).
  10. Ddhal
    Ddhal 19 October 2013 14: 32
    +7
    From funny people ... Call a diesel boat after the nuclear research center .. Why not "Arzamas-16" right away? Conspirators ..
    Or "the deepest shadow is right under the lantern"?
  11. pensioner
    pensioner 19 October 2013 14: 34
    +3
    "Sarov" - although it is shown ... And where is "Losharik" ??
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 October 2013 20: 06
      +9
      Quote: retired
      "Sarov" - although it is shown ... And where is "Losharik" ??

      Nuclear deep-water station of the 1st rank / special nuclear submarine / deep-water technical means - a component of the project 1083K complex. The deep-water nuclear power plant was designed by SPMBM "Malakhit". Chief Designer - S.M. Bavilin. In May 2010, some of the media reported that the Zvezdochka, KB Rubin, Malachite and Prometheus specialists were awarded the state prize for the "experimental deep-sea order 1083K". Many sources contain the name of the project number "210" , which is the abbreviated name of the order - the boat's serial number. Also in some sources it is reported that the code of the Losharik project is a spontaneous self-name and an unofficial name. In terms of sources, AGS pr.10831 correlates with the name of NATO boats - NORSUB-5.
      Briefly about the boat. The station's design is probably made of titanium alloys and, possibly, some new materials. Strong polyspherical housing - i.e. consists of several compartments-spheres, interconnected by passages. (hence the name: "Losharik") One of the compartments is occupied by a nuclear power plant. The space between the spheres of a strong hull and a light streamlined hull is filled with monoblocks of lightweight filler. The ship has 1 nuclear reactor with a steam generating unit E-17 and TZA with a capacity of no more than 10000 hp. development of OKB mechanical engineering them. I. Afrikantova (Nizhny Novgorod, 2006). Also in some sources PPU KTP-7I "Phoenix" is mentioned. The nuclear power plant is probably located in one of the spherical blocks of the robust body, and thus the biological protection of the reactor is carried out, including using a layer of sea water.
      Propulsion - 1 main propeller in an annular nozzle (presumably), several thrusters with electric motors.
      TTX station:
      Crew - 25 officers
      Length - 69 m (up to 79 m estimated)
      Width - 7 m (?)
      Draft - 5 m (?)
      Normal displacement - 1390 t
      Full displacement - 2000 t
      Ultimate immersion depth - up to 6000 m (not confirmed)
      Underwater Speed ​​- 30 knots
      Armament - missing
      Equipment - ordinary and special - to ensure the submarine is swimming and performing tasks.
      1. old man54
        old man54 20 October 2013 06: 52
        +4
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Nuclear deep-water station of the 1st rank / special nuclear submarine / deep-water technical means - a component of the project 1083K complex. The deep-water nuclear power plant was designed by SPMBM "Malakhit".

        I shake my hand, dear Alexndr, I'm glad to meet you! drinks
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Normal displacement - 1390 t
        Full displacement - 2000 t

        if this boat is meant in the photo in your post, then either the photo is not her or the main characteristics do not correspond, sorry. Visually, you can see that the boat is much larger than 2000 tons of displacement, about once in 2,5 / 3 at least. hi
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 20 October 2013 11: 52
          +7
          Quote: old man54
          either the photo is not hers, or the main characteristics do not correspond

          Andrey, hello! The lightweight body creates the appearance of "volume". But what's underneath ... My modest knowledge says that there are at least 3, maximum 5 spheres: 1-laboratory and its equipment; 2-CPU, residential; 3-cars and fur, etg; 4- NAZ-reactor; 5- GTZA and auxiliary mech. If there are 3 spheres, then probably 1-2, 3-5 are combined, the reactor one - separately for each one. Here's more info about AGS and photos.
          2012 September 27 - during the SevMorGeo expedition, the carrier boat BS-136, pr. 09786, with a deep-water station of the 1st rank AS-12, pr. 10831, reached the North Pole. The expedition was carried out to clarify the high-latitude boundary of the continental shelf in the Arctic. Rock samples were taken to collect evidence that the Lomonosov and Mendeleev Ridges belonged to the Russian continental shelf. The results are planned to be submitted to the UN Commission on the Law of the Sea in 2014. “During the expedition, we drilled three wells at a depth of 2-2,5 kilometers and took three cores (“ pillars ”of rock). One core is 60 centimeters long, the second is 30 centimeters, and the third is 20 centimeters. a layer of silt at the bottom, reaching a thickness of five meters. " The icebreaker "Dikson" also took part in the work of the expedition as an NIS and the icebreaker "Captain Dranitsyn" as a support icebreaker. Here is a photo from the icebreaker.
        2. doktor_alex
          doktor_alex 20 October 2013 13: 19
          +2
          Quote: old man54
          either the photo is not her


          Not either, not Her.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 20 October 2013 16: 34
            +7
            Quote: doktor_alex
            Not either, not Her.
            Guys, don’t argue. In the photo is her carrier, she herself is attached at the transition from below. Persuaded me in due time to go to these carriers by the operator. They promised a bunch of benefits, but when I found out that they have autonomies up to 8 months ... they got sick ... request
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 20 October 2013 16: 55
              +6
              Quote: Misantrop
              In the photo is her carrier, she herself is attached at the transition from below.

              Misantrop welcome! The second time I try to attach a photo of the model. But it seems to me that this is bullshit for the gullible: from the bottom, the sphere on 1,5 does not smell thousand tons. And so everything seems to be logical.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 20 October 2013 19: 25
                +4
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                But it seems to me that this is bullshit for the gullible: it doesn’t smell like a sphere of 1,5 thousand tons from below. And so everything seems to be logical.
                There were several carriers, as well as several small boats of various sizes (he himself once observed from the top of a neighboring hill), including a couple without logging at all. When walking along a bay, it looks like anything but not a submarine ... lol And "Losharik" outwardly has quite traditional outlines. Although I saw him only once, a long time ago, from afar and in passing ... request
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 20 October 2013 16: 38
            +4
            Quote: doktor_alex
            Not either, not Her.

            Above is the carrier. SHE is at the bottom.
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 20 October 2013 10: 39
        +3
        Thank you! hi hi hi Very informative.
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 21 October 2013 06: 03
          +3
          senior citizen (5) SU Yesterday, 10:39 ↑
          Thank! hi hi hi Very informative.

          Here are a couple of shots:


          1. jjj
            jjj 22 October 2013 02: 49
            +3
            About ten years ago, on the site of the submariners "Submarine", in whose address through the dot id, some, as I think, have been there, a certain author "Stary Okeanotekhnik" published a photo of her in the shop
  12. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 19 October 2013 14: 40
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    Quote: retired
    "Sarov" - although it is shown ... And where is "Losharik" ??

    such things, my dear, are not shown to the public. whoever needs it, they have seen and know.
  13. alexpro66
    alexpro66 19 October 2013 15: 38
    13
    The engine on it is secret as hell-hydrogen. A compact nuclear reactor is only needed to generate hydrogen and oxygen - other sources of hydrogen production have not justified themselves. What jumped about torpedoes on hydrogen .. The main propulsion unit is "Propellers" - there really are not propellers, some kind of "tunnel" structure during operation, producing sounds similar to the sound of waves oscillating on the sea surface .. In general, one of the biggest secrets of the Navy. When trying to just ask simple questions about her, I got a great hat. I know one thing for sure, even with an active hydraulic signal it is difficult to detect it .. Something like this ..
    PS
    I'm waiting for the reaction of the comrades "majors")) Let's just say about this post - I came up with everything!
    And there is something even more interesting "underwater" in the Navy, which is not even talked about behind the scenes)) - only "rumors"
  14. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 19 October 2013 15: 46
    +3
    One of the main tasks that was solved when launching this submarine was the installation of a diesel submarine of a compact nuclear reactor as a backup engine. The main goal is to give the fleet an inexpensive and at the same time reliable warship, which has the ability to long autonomous navigation in underwater mode, like expensive submarines.

    Originally, but to me, as a specialist, it’s not clear to me, but why 2 propulsion systems, and even with a nuclear reactor as a backup? Is a diesel electric more powerful, though compact, but nuclear. What about the space / space occupied by both propulsion systems from a rational point of view?
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 19 October 2013 16: 01
      +2
      I went over the commentary and there, dear Boa kaa и Misantrop gave me a very satisfactory answer. Thank! soldier smile
    2. alexpro66
      alexpro66 19 October 2013 18: 00
      +3
      The simple answer is a floating stand ...
      And most importantly, modular .. (as for the power plant)
  15. rudolff
    rudolff 19 October 2013 16: 11
    11
    The boat is really one of the most "closed" in terms of information. In this, only the "contingent" of the 29th separate brigade, pl. Even the current SF officers do not really know anything. There was a glimpse of information that a new VNEU was being tested on it, but its developers from Rubin themselves claim that the layout of the installation was still rolling at the stand. Most likely, the ship still has a compact nuclear power plant with full electric propulsion.
  16. xomaNN
    xomaNN 19 October 2013 18: 37
    +7
    So, in general, it is right that the submarine, on which completely new systems are being tested for promising ships, is "in the shadows." In Soviet times, the regime was even tougher. It was in the rampant of perestroika and in the 90s everything was laid out "to potential friends (or is it opponents? lol
    1. Grigory_78
      Grigory_78 1 March 2017 21: 28
      +1
      "Our partners" (c) GDP. Partners - they are different. In sex, in business, in politics, in a fight ... Voluntary and "not really." A "knife in the back" from a business partner - you can get it at any time. I’m silent about the fight and politics.
  17. fzr1000
    fzr1000 19 October 2013 19: 04
    +4
    Yes, the words "chatterbox for a spy" are even more relevant in the Internet age than before. But thanks, I read the comments with pleasure.
  18. understudy
    understudy 19 October 2013 19: 25
    12
    Nefiga yourself, "diesel-electric ship" ... fellow However, our fathers have something to be proud of -
    "The largest number of submarines - 74 combat units - were delivered in 1955 (2 - project 611, 67 - project 613, 5 - project A-615).
    The largest number of nuclear submarines - 12 units - was delivered in 1971 (6 - project 667A, 3 - project 670, 2 - project 671, 1 submarine - project 705).
    The largest number of submarines built by one plant during the year - 37 units (project 613) - was established by the shipbuilders of the "Red Sormov" in 1955.

    The largest number of nuclear submarines delivered to the fleet by one plant during the year is 6 units. This achievement belongs to the shipbuilders of FSUE PA Sevmash Enterprise (in 1969, 5 submarines of Project 667A and 1 submarine of Project 661; in 1970, 6 submarines of Project 667A).
    The largest number of submarines built under one project were commissioned by the Krasnoe Sormovo plant — 113 units of project 613 in 1951-1956.
    The largest series in the history of the Russian submarine forces - 215 units - medium diesel submarines of project 613 (TsKB MT Rubin).

    The largest series of large diesel submarines - 75 units - project 641 (Central Design Bureau MT Rubin).

    The largest series of nuclear submarines - 34 units - of project 667A (nuclear submarine missile cruisers of strategic purpose) (TsKB MT Rubin).
    The largest series of nuclear submarines armed with cruise missiles is 29 units - project 675 (TsKB MT Rubin).
    The largest series of multipurpose (torpedo) nuclear submarines - 26 units - project 671RTM (SPMBM "Malachite").
    Three domestic submarines entered the Guinness Book of Records:
    - the largest nuclear submarine in the world with a normal displacement of 23 m200 TK-3 of project 208 was commissioned in 941 by FSUE PO Sevmashpredpriyatie, Severodvinsk, chief designer - S. N. Kovalev (Central Design Bureau MT Rubin);

    - the deepest nuclear submarine in the world with an immersion depth of 1000 m K-278 of project 685 was commissioned in 1983 by FSUE PO Sevmashpredpriyatie, Severodvinsk, chief designer - Yu. N. Kormilitsyn (TsKB MT Rubin);
    - the world's fastest nuclear submarine with an underwater speed of 44,7 knots K-162 of project 661 was commissioned in 1969 by FSUE PO Sevmashpredpriyatie, Severodvinsk, chief designer - N. N. Isanin (SPBMB Malakhit).
    None of these records have yet been surpassed. "(C)
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 20 October 2013 16: 40
      11
      Quote: Understudy
      However, our fathers have something to be proud of -

      The other day I got a sad riddle on this subject:
      "Why is Budyonnovka a headdress, Khrushchevka is housing, and Putinka is vodka? It's very simple: grandfathers fought, fathers built, and we drink ..." what
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 20 October 2013 18: 40
        +6
        Quote: Misantrop
        Quote: Understudy
        However, our fathers have something to be proud of -

        The other day I got a sad riddle on this subject:
        "Why is Budyonnovka a headdress, Khrushchevka is housing, and Putinka is vodka? It's very simple: grandfathers fought, fathers built, and we drink ..." what

        Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye, the truth was (and maybe still is) still Gorbatschow vodka, but this is in Germany ... But, as it is fashionable to say, the trend, however.
      2. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 21 October 2013 08: 38
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        The other day I got a sad riddle on this subject:

        crying Sorry for the fish crying
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 21 October 2013 11: 10
          +4
          Quote: Strezhevchanin
          Sorry for the fish
          I remember this fish in Dvinsk. The boat was very useful. Not only by its unique characteristics, but mainly by the fact that almost the entire stern of the 2nd generation nuclear submarine was tested on it. Composition, design and methods of fastening and arrangement of equipment, sensors and devices, power plant automation systems, etc. Therefore, the 667 project serves SO long and successfully that almost everything was tested on this prototype. Project 705 did not have such a prototype, so all the problems that emerged during operation had to be solved directly "in the course of the play". As a result, they lived much less, although the idea itself was wonderful ... request
  19. understudy
    understudy 19 October 2013 19: 33
    11
    Well, then we were attacked by "democracy with universal human values ​​and liberalism at the ready" ...
    By July 1997, 156 submarines, including 20 strategic nuclear submarines, were withdrawn from the Russian Navy. In general, during the “five-year period of collapse reforms” from 1992 to 1997, the naval fleet of the Russian Navy was reduced by half, and the fleet of aircraft - by 78 percent.
    After 1990, the pace and volume of submarine construction declined sharply. If in 1981-1990 91 submarines were built, then over the next decade (1991-2000) only 26. In the first four years of the third millennium, only one submarine was commissioned: the nuclear multipurpose submarine "Gepard" in 2001 (designed by SPMBM "Malakhit", St. Petersburg, plant "Sevmashpredpriyatie", Severodvinsk). In March 2004, a decision was made to eliminate all Akula-class heavy submarine cruisers. "
    ____________________
    Surrounding me, no one wants to be exhausted?
    Not so long ago, there was a report that "vandals" painted a monument to a certain figure with paint. I believe that for some "merit" ...
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 20 October 2013 16: 44
      14
      Quote: Understudy
      Surrounding me, no one wants to be exhausted?
      A friend and colleague unloaded the reactor cores on all nuclear submarines decommissioned from service. On this occasion he sadly called himself "the gravedigger of the northern fleet" ... sad And in the summer I talked with the guys who carried out the elimination of Project 941 missiles by shooting, I also heard a lot of "impressions" with vodka ... Including what kind of faces the American observers left for their cabin after 10th consecutive successful start long expired missiles ...
  20. Basarev
    Basarev 19 October 2013 19: 38
    +3
    My respect and respect, a really interesting story
  21. AVV
    AVV 19 October 2013 20: 04
    +1
    The fleet needs new submarines like air !!!
    1. Imigrantt
      Imigrantt 21 October 2013 15: 03
      +2
      But to forget how it all began too recklessly !!! The future begins with the past, especially with such an outstanding !!! You need to appreciate and remember this! And such a technique must be maintained! In this regard, the Americans well done! Do museums and exhibitions !!! Why are we worse !!! hi
  22. alexpro66
    alexpro66 20 October 2013 13: 22
    0
    Another interesting fact is that they are somehow missing out .. in the maximum, the new power plant is tasked with achieving unlimited time of its operation (on fuel cells it is impossible — replenishment of the boat with these elements is still required). In laboratory conditions, it has long been possible to produce hydrogen and oxygen from seawater — most likely on Sarov they will finalize a system with constant replenishment of hydrogen using a mini-reactor — suitable for mass production.
  23. rudolff
    rudolff 20 October 2013 15: 07
    +5
    Alexpro66, let me disagree with you. Firstly, fuel cells are not "consumables" and should be replenished only as they wear out. Fuel cells, in fact, are electrochemical generators, where by means of a redox reaction (cold combustion), "chemical" energy is converted into electrical energy. Reagents (oxygen, hydrogen) enter the fuel cell from outside. Secondly, whether the scheme you propose is expedient. Let's imagine. A nuclear reactor separates water into hydrogen and oxygen, which are fed into the ECH fuel cells as reagents to generate electricity, which in turn drives electric motors. But! Since the reaction in the ECH cannot be started immediately and it takes a significant chunk of time for the installation to reach its rated power, it becomes necessary to have storage batteries on board. Further. The power of modern VNEU on the ECH is not enough for a full-fledged course in the surface position, as well as for a full / medium one underwater. Accordingly, either the installation of diesel generators or the capacity of a nuclear installation should be sufficient to ensure the operation of electric motors directly (through a steam-gas turbine with a generator) bypassing the VNEU. Considering that VNEU alone requires a separate compartment, try to imagine how much space this whole scheme will take! And most importantly, does it make sense? It would be easier then to stop at a nuclear power plant with full electromotion, which was actually tested at Sarov.
  24. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 20 October 2013 16: 11
    -4
    The boat is super secret but many and almost everything know about it. Glory to the Russian counterintelligence !!!
  25. duchy
    duchy 20 October 2013 16: 24
    +8
    Good informative article. The rest is verbiage, more husk. When the state has secrets overgrown with legends, it is possible to create what the enemies will be afraid of. I do not think that those knowledgeable in secrets will discuss the parameters and performance characteristics and other characteristics in open sources. So it’s better to perceive all this with a certain amount of humor. laughing drinks
    1. nazgul-ishe
      nazgul-ishe 21 October 2013 00: 51
      +1
      I will take note.
  26. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 20 October 2013 22: 00
    +5
    andreitk20 RU March 12, 2013 17:54 PM ↑
    atalef you know I'm not a nationalist, but "your" nation is tired of the know-it-all.
    If your father was a submariner then he should have told you that the Sharks were never titanium.
    I don’t know what you saw, but I’ll answer so that when the missiles were disposed of in 2001 by blasting when 12 missiles were launched, then the observers from America very quickly went to their cabin, since the Americans did not achieve such reliability until now.
    they have a crew with a smaller size of 180 people, in contrast to the 170 shark crew.
  27. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 21 October 2013 05: 29
    0
    Quote: old man54
    sorry, but do not write nonsense, not 1950 year in the yard tea! They will deal with this nonsense, flipping through our site! laughing Now, with our openness, mass venality and selfishness of officials and bureaucrats, they probably already know almost everything! If under the USSR they managed to steal and learn secrets, then now, O-O-O-O. recourse
    Remember the film "Kursk, a boat in troubled water" by the Frenchman Carré, there the CIA-schnick Pope directly says that he bought documents from a direct developer for the Shkval rocket-torpedo, which has no analogues in the world. Like this, and you are here ... request


    Well, you say that Sarai Obamycha was bought for three rubles, that you borrowed from your wife.

    Many world intelligence agencies have repeatedly confirmed that from 50 to 80% of the information is obtained from OPEN sources !!!
  28. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 21 October 2013 05: 45
    +5
    Quote: doktor_alex
    Sorry, but you would not write nonsense either. To put it mildly, you do not know how this secret is protected, and you forget that now it is not the dashing nineties when everything was bought and sold at all. I do not want to describe for a long time what, how and why, but a VERY VERY narrow circle of people knows about what is located in a certain part of this boat, these people are probably all counted and we will look after, the secrecy mode is such that even most of the designers from the Central Design Bureau MT Rubin do not know for sure what is there. And about "Kursk in troubled water, etc." so I can also shoot the documentary "Sarov in the Purple Smoke", plant a fake "CIA officer" and we will tell you about the fact that all the drawings in the USA were personally handed over by Spassky, because he lost them to us in a billiards game out of drunkenness in the country.
    Z.Y. You shouldn’t underestimate our GB-Schnicks, in the north of the sailor 20 seconds later they took him by the arms, and he just took a picture against the background of a losharik standing far in the dock. From so on.



    I agree with you 100%.
    Your opponent smacks of provocation or an unhealthy head.

    There is no uninteresting information for intelligence.
    We do not know what games our SVR, GRU, FSB play with ami and NATO.

    In the late 90s and 2000s, he read how ours sold 10 S-300 factory units to the USA.
    Yeltsin also signed the contract. Allegedly, Russia was making excuses that these were peaceful missiles, not offensive ...
    There was a lot of fuss. There was even more mystery and espionage.
    Americans ALL appeased crazy kickbacks.
    They managed to buy several units from a position that was categorically forbidden.
    They managed to bribe the directorate of the factory where these products were produced.
    Home performers medals, titles and so on.

    BUT, it turned out that our guys played games with amers.
    During these events, all communications were enlightened, some of the agents were revealed, and so on ...
    The Americans really could not bribe anyone, although they gave the money to our cart and a small cart ...
    S-300 received, but export options ...

    This I tell the philistine civilian language.
    The article was good.
    At that time, the collapse of the country was in full swing.
    And this article was a balm for the soul ...
  29. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 21 October 2013 14: 03
    0
    Once again, the sensation is not out of thin air. Non-nuclear boats with non-volatile power plants have been built abroad for 20 years

    Sweden (type "Gotland"), Germany (type 212/214), Japan ("Soryu"), Franco-Spanish export project "Skorpen", Spanish S-80 from Navantia .... and these woke up with their "Sarov" ... This is despite the fact that hydrogen fuel cells have long been recognized as an erroneous decision - too expensive. Now they are trying to put the Stirling engine

    "Son Wong" - German-built nuclear submarine Type214, South Korean Navy
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 21 October 2013 16: 28
      +5
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      and these woke up with their "Sarov". This despite the fact that hydrogen fuel cells have long been recognized as an erroneous decision - too expensive.
      Oleg, remember that cruise missiles were also once considered the same dead end mistake. Exactly until the USSR succeeded ... wink
  30. rudolff
    rudolff 21 October 2013 14: 25
    +8
    Do not wake up, Oleg. Work on VNEU on the ECG in the days of the Union. Does not work. It's just that this is the area where we are not the owners of advanced technologies. ECG fuel cells are more expensive than German ones in our country, and their efficiency is much worse. I would not be surprised if I knew that TE Siemens was tested on Sarov. We conducted negotiations with them. In general, you are right. Probably the next generation of German NPLs will be with Stirling engines.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 21 October 2013 15: 11
      0
      Quote: rudolff
      Work on VNEU on the ECG in the days of the Union.

      True, Katran, 613E
      or 615 series on liquid oxygen

      Yet in vain the Germans and their hydrogen technology relied. It would be better if we collaborated with the Swedes

      Gotland Navy Sweden. He interrupted the seventh US fleet in exercises in 2006
    2. zzaharr
      zzaharr 21 October 2013 22: 26
      +4
      Quote: rudolff
      It's just that this is the area where we are not the owners of advanced technologies. ECG fuel cells are more expensive than German ones in our country, and their efficiency is much worse.

      You do not write nonsense.
      1993-2001 - a high-voltage ECG (320B) with a power of 10 kW (for SKBK, St. Petersburg) was developed;

      1997-1999 - Modernization of the Photon ECG was carried out in order to increase the rated power from 10 to 25 kW (Photon-M) (for OJSC AvtoVAZ, Togliatti);

      2000-2002 - Modernization of the Photon ECG was carried out in order to increase the rated power from 25 to 40 kW (Photon-MVK) (for AvtoVAZ OJSC, Togliatti);
      2002-2004 - Modernization of the Photon ECG was carried out in order to ensure the operation of the ECG in the air (Photon-MVV) (for OJSC AvtoVAZ, Togliatti).
  31. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 21 October 2013 15: 50
    +1
    Not so simple in our kingdom!)
  32. rudolff
    rudolff 21 October 2013 17: 11
    +2
    The 615th post-war project is a bit from a different area. They tried to realize VNEU at the expense of a single closed-type diesel unit and a supply of liquefied oxygen on board. Something similar was still being undertaken in the tsarist fleet, but instead of liquefied oxygen, compressed air was used.
    But on the project 613E there really was an anaerobic installation on electrochemical generators. It’s a pity the picture cannot be inserted; the sight is not for beautiful aesthetes. Hefty containers with reagents were located directly on the deck of the light hull.
    Liquefied oxygen will be carried along with boats with the Rubinovskiy VNEU project. True, the cryogenic installation is being developed not at Rubin, but at NPO Energia.
  33. Agent 008
    Agent 008 21 October 2013 19: 51
    +1
    As soon as I glanced at the title of the article, I came into emotional excitement, mystical awe filled my soul ... It seemed that Captain Nemo would come out of the wheelhouse, smile mysteriously, and then the submarine would plunge into the abyss and mysteriously disappear into the depths of the ocean ... And another the emergence of a mysterious submarine, this underwater "Flying Dutchman", maybe I will not have to see ... These are the thoughts this article inspired me, about the mysterious boat "Sarov" ...
  34. rudolff
    rudolff 22 October 2013 01: 14
    +5
    Zzaharr, you probably got acquainted with the products of the Ural Electrochemical Combine, since you have listed almost all the Photons. Yes, they really developed the Wave for the lunar program, and the Photon for Buran, and the Photon version for Avtovaz. I will add that they are now working in cooperation with the Rubin Central Design Bureau on the creation of an EHG for VNEU PL and these installations will most likely be produced at their own enterprise. But just what does it change? Now we are in the role of catching up in this direction and are scraping along all the bottom sections, so that we do not fall out of the trend of non-nuclear submarine building at all. Or do you think that "advanced technology" has no "shelf life"? Slightly above and below your comment, there is a mention of the project 613E Katran, on which, back in the 80s, an installation at the ECH was successfully tested (CDB Lazurit, NPO Kvant, NPO Cryogenmash). Soviet legacy. Therefore, they were sure that by the end of the construction of the first Lada, the industrial prototype of the installation would be ready, and therefore the former commander-in-chief was indignant that they did not have time and that he did not need a new boat with an old engine! Not only Germans, already French, Spaniards, Swedes, Japanese are launching ships of new generations, but we are all racing at the stand and are proud of Soviet achievements!
  35. Brave
    Brave 24 October 2013 20: 42
    +2
    Quote: user
    I wonder who clean the latrine

    the most talkative ...
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  37. Hort
    Hort 25 October 2013 07: 44
    +2
    sorry for the amateurish question: as a child I always thought that these "glass" on the wheelhouse in front of the boats were windows :) But in fact, what are they and what are they for?
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 25 October 2013 21: 48
      +4
      Hort, so you actually thought correctly. Behind these "pieces of glass" of the wheelhouse fence there is a navigating bridge, where the watch is carried on the surface.
      1. Hort
        Hort 27 October 2013 08: 14
        +2
        Over there)
        Thank you, and then someone baffled me with the answer that modern boats do not have portholes, because there was doubt)
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 27 October 2013 10: 28
          +6
          There are really no "windows" in the solid case. And the navigation bridge, this is an "aquarium", is flooded with water in the underwater position. So after surfacing it is pretty damp. But on the other hand, it is a good shelter from the wind, splashing in stormy weather.
          1. Varaga
            Varaga 20 October 2016 14: 59
            +1
            The fencing fence is filled with water.
          2. sir_obs
            sir_obs 28 October 2016 10: 07
            +1
            This is the helmsman's place when mooring. The watch officer and signaller are in any weather on the site next to the retractable.
            Therefore, how to look must not only forward, but at all 360.
  38. zWary
    zWary 25 October 2013 16: 08
    +3
    As a non-professional, it was very interesting for me to read both the article and the comments. There would be more such articles about the construction of something new and necessary for the country, restoration, introduction, launch, beginning ... Albeit with reservations, their own unsolved secrets. I’m tired of chernukha, whining that everything is bad with us, that we do not know how and can not - our "sworn friends" want so much. Why go on about them, let's disappoint them once again, as our fathers and grandfathers have disappointed them many times.
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    Niappamsgemy 26 October 2013 03: 47
    -1
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  40. Varaga
    Varaga 20 October 2016 14: 57
    +3
    Crew - only officers and midshipmen. That says a lot.
  41. masiya
    masiya 21 October 2016 09: 15
    0
    Or maybe you shouldn’t mess up different secrets here, the enemy is not asleep ... and your awareness draws attention to both VO and your modest person once again ...
  42. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 25 October 2016 18: 54
    +1
    Quote: Cat Workot
    Putin is doing the right thing.

    Not everything, but it does, and that's the main thing! Only here everyone in the surroundings is enough! hi
    1. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 3 August 2018 18: 44
      0
      Does it right!

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