Comparison of the submarine forces of Russia and the United States

The ability to penetrate into the depths of the sea and quietly wedge into the enemy defenses. Choose the best place and time to attack. Survive without significant defense costs, using the uncertainty and ambiguity of the aquatic environment. The unique properties of submarines can provide an unprecedented effect of presence and deterrence, far from proportional to the size and number of submarines themselves.

Today, the Russian Navy and the US Navy are the world's largest submarine operators. On the armament of each of the fleets are the best models of underwater weapons, represented by numerous types of submarines.

Underwater component of the Russian Navy

Strategic missile submarine cruisers (SSBN). The carriers of subcontinental intercontinental ballistic missiles, the basis of the "nuclear triad" of Russia.

Project 955 and 955A "Borey"

In the system - 3, built - 3, the planned composition of the series - 8 ... 10 submarines.

The newest and most modern project of an underwater strategic rocket carrier in the whole world. The design features and noise characteristics of the SSBN of 955 Ave can be attributed to the new, fourth generation of nuclear submarines. Armament: D-30 missile system with 16-th submarine-launched P-30 "Bulava" ballistic missiles. New boats "Borey" and solid-fuel missiles open a new era in stories РѕС‚РµС З РµСЃС‚РІРµРЅРЅРѕРіРѕ РїРѕРґРІРѕРґРЅРѕРіРѕ fleet.

Project 667BDRM "Dolphin"

In the ranks - 7 units (1981-90's.).

The combat core of naval strategic nuclear forces. Underwater-based three-stage ballistic missile carriers P-29RMU2 Sineva. The main trump card of "Sinevy" compared to solid "Trident" and "Bulava" are their outstanding energy-mass characteristics (starting mass / firing range / drop weight), due to the fundamental properties of liquid fuel.

K-407 "Novomoskovsk" (PR. 667BDRM) after undergoing repair and upgrading

Project 667BDR "Kalmar"

Three boats commissioned in 1980-82, armed with the D-9Р complex (16 of mine-type launchers with liquid-fuel P-29Р rockets). It is expected that the outdated "Squids" will be gradually withdrawn from service and replaced with the latest "Boreas".

XNUMHUM project

TK-208 "Dmitry Donskoy" - the last of the heavy Akkul-type SSBNS, converted into a launching stand for testing the Bulava submarine-launched ballistic missile system.

Nuclear submarines with cruise missiles (SSGN) - 8 units, all belong to the 949 "Antey" project (1986-96). Famous "aircraft carrier killers", each carrying 24 anti-ship Granit missiles.

Multipurpose nuclear submarines - 21 unit. The mixed family represented by representatives of five projects:

- pr. 671РТМ (К) - four submarines. Planned withdrawal from the fleet;

- pr. 945 and 945А - four submarines with titanium hulls. A deep modernization is underway with the installation of modern systems and weapons. All "Condors" and "Barracudas" will be back in operation by the beginning of the next decade;

- pr. 971 "Pike-B" - twelve ships. Nine in service, three in reserve and in the repair that lasted for a decade. Another submarine (K-152 "Nerpa") leased to India. At the time of construction (80-90.) "Pike-B" were the most formidable and perfect submarines in its class. Those remain today, adjusted for age. There are several modifications ("Improved Pike"), some representatives of the project are currently undergoing modernization under various programs;

- pr. 885 "Ash". The fourth-generation multipurpose submarine equipped with the Caliber missile system. Boat "Ash" claims to be the best in its class among all foreign analogues. Currently, there is one ship of this type (K-560 "Severodvinsk") in service. In the shipyards, there are three more hulls, which are being built according to the updated project 885М "Ash-M". The planned composition of the series - 8 submarines;

K-560 "Severodvinsk"

Special purpose nuclear submarines - 2 units:

- the carrier of the BS-136 "Orenburg" deep-water stations (converted from the missile carrier XNUMBDR ave.);

- nuclear deep-water station AC-12 "Losharik" (10831 Ave.), the maximum depth of immersion 6000 m, no weapons.

Boat carrier BS-136 "Orenburg"

At the moment, another unfinished nuclear rocket carrier K-139 "Belgorod" (pr. 09852) is being converted by a special project.

Diesel electric submarines - 20 units, among which:

- 18 "Varshavyanok" (pr. 877 and 636.3);

- 1 B-585 "St. Petersburg" (pr. 677 "Lada") - in trial operation at the Federation Council;

- 1 B-90 "Sarov" (pr. 20120) - experimental diesel-electric submarines for testing new types of weapons.

In the coming years, the Russian Navy should be replenished with six more diesel-electric submarines, among which there will be two Lada and four Varshavyanka.

Pike, Borey, Varshavyanka!

Submarine component of the US Navy

Nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles (SSBNs - correspond to domestic SSBNs). In service, the only type - "Ohio". The 14 submarines built in the period from 1981 to 1997.

The Ohio-Trident 2 bundle can be considered the benchmark for naval nuclear weapons. The carrier is a unique boat, until recently considered the most secretive of the existing submarines. And a solid-propellant rocket with unsurpassed mass-dimensions and TTX (it is no coincidence that the 24 SLBMs fit on board the largest Ohio).

Nuclear submarines with cruise missiles (SSGN) - 4 units. Were converted from the SSBN type "Ohio". On board every 154 "Tomahawk."

Multipurpose nuclear submarines (or, according to the original classification, fast attack submarine - high-speed submarine hunters). Currently, the United States Navy has three main types of multi-purpose submarines, including:

- 41 boat type "Los Angeles" (1981-96). Small in size, secretive and reliable underwater hunters 30 for years has been the basis of the submarine forces of the United States. Most of the surviving "Los Angeles" belongs to the sub-series "Improved LA". Equipped with vertical launchers for storing and launching ToRM "Tomahawk";

- 11 type boats "Virginia" three different subseries (1997-2014). New American boats specialize in fighting in the coastal zone: reconnaissance, sabotage operations and strikes on the shore. Like their predecessors, Los Angeles, 12 missile silos for Tomahawks are installed in the bow of the Virginia. It is planned to build a 30 + nuclear submarine of this type; the last boats (5 sub-series) will be able to carry cruise missiles to 40;

- three "Sea Wolf". White elephants of the American fleet, formally considered the most advanced underwater hunters and the world's first multipurpose submarines of the 4 generation. In fact, they are extremely expensive, piece constructions, suffering from a variety of "childhood diseases". The last ship of the type "SeaWolf", "Jimmy Carter", was commissioned in 2003 in the form of a boat for special operations.



Diesel electric submarines

In connection with the pronounced offensive direction, the American fleet completely abandoned diesel-electric submarines. The last diesel generator "Growler" was built in 1958 year.

Emergency ascent of Los Angeles-class submarines

Comments

[Wick]

Where is the comparison? Status, features, disadvantages?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Wick

Where is the comparison?

The time will come and compare the disadvantages of the opportunity on the wreckage of the Pentagon.

[Professor]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The time will come and compare the disadvantages of the opportunity on the wreckage of the Pentagon.

Are there really sane people who believe in the possibility of a unilateral nuclear strike (and indeed a nuclear strike in general)?

[srha]

There is. Look at these, "In 1951 ... very important persons-observers" of the YA. As you can see, nothing personal or any fear. This is how they get personal experience for subsequent decision-making on the application. Such scenes cleanse the brain from the dope of green and environmentalists about a nuclear winter cleaner than schnapps.

But if this does not convince you, then try reading about diving on the Bikini Atoll and make the right conclusion.

[Ronino]

I would put these clowns in the first row, a kilometer from the epicenter!

[skeptic]

Quote: RoninO

I would put these clowns in the first row, a kilometer from the epicenter!

As close as possible, at the same time the shock wave and the ash will shake off. All the organizers of the "golden billion" idea.

[Bayonet]

Quote: RoninO

I would put these clowns in the first row, a kilometer from the epicenter!

Such "clowns" at one time were enough everywhere.
The military exercises with the use of atomic weapons took place on September 14, 1954, after the Government of the USSR adopted a decision to deploy training for the Armed Forces in the conditions of real use by a potential enemy of nuclear weapons. Officially, the Totsk military exercises of 1954 were the first and only military exercises in the history of the Soviet Union, during which the use of nuclear weapons was used. But according to unofficial data, such exercises were subsequently carried out repeatedly. In the USA, for example, eight exercises of this type were conducted.

[Hitmaster]

Our Degol showed our nuclear tests, so he immediately left NATO, and began to live in peace and friendship with the Soviet Union ...

[Sailor]

I will correct, he was present at the launch of "Satan", the mortar launch simply "killed" him.

[Sergey Dm. Dislike]

How could De Gaulle see the launch of "Satan" if the first launch (by the way from the cosmodorm) was on February 21, 1973?
And President Charles de Gaulle died ... November 9, 1970.
Yeah, fucking do not bagging bags.
By the way, Charles de Gaulle could not be "frightened" by the start of the ballistic one. At that time France flew its own.

[Bayonet]

Quote: srha

Such scenes cleanse the brain from the dope of green and environmentalists about a nuclear winter cleaner than schnapps.

At that time there was no such thing as a nuclear winter. Much later, with the advent of supercomputers, it became possible to simulate the consequences of the massive use of nuclear weapons.

[new communist]

Yes, yes, moreover, a simultaneous nuclear attack on Russia and China is inevitable and no further than 2020. In general, I am surprised at the ability of people to think that if more than a thousand vigorous warheads are aimed at Russia, they will never fly to us, and oligarchic capitalism can divide the world forever. If you know the goals of World War 3, then optimism is reduced to zero.

[socrates7]

Of course, arguing is pointless, because this is your point of view. But we must not forget that nuclear war is the end of civilization around the globe. Is anyone ready for such a development?

[new communist]

nuclear war is the end of civilization around the globe. --- Hi, you are deeply mistaken, Mankind, while thank God has not yet created, weapons capable of destroying it, on the contrary, the 3rd world thermonuclear war opens up new possibilities for building our civilization on new principles, first on the principles of questioned fascism, and then new communism. Unfortunately there are few sensible links, but one if interesting (http://rollm.livejournal.com/)Here is described in more detail here.

[skeptic]

Quote: New Communist

on the contrary, the 3rd world thermonuclear war opens up new possibilities for building our civilization on new principles, first on the principles of questioned fascism, and then on new communism.

And the main sign is the beginning of the Stone Age era (for survivors) with local signs of relations, from a preserved mentality.

[Bayonet]

Quote: New Communist

nuclear war is the end of civilization around the globe. --- Hi, you are deeply mistaken

Are you a comedian or ... I wish you success!

[new communist]

Hello, and you wear pink glasses and enjoy our life. I am also an optimist, only informed.

[Vasek]

Quote: New Communist

nuclear war is the end of civilization around the globe. --- Hi, you are deeply mistaken, Humanity, while the glory of God has not yet created, weapons capable of destroying it

In fact, no one knows for sure ...
Man assumes, but God disposes.
But to check in practice is sheer madness.
Of course, our plus is the territory, but their population is twice as large. You can calculate each other's chances of survival for a long time, but personally I would not like to see my children and grandchildren as participants in such "statistics".

[samuil60]

Takut mother like that ... But I, by a sinful thing, thought that now only in the former Ukraine people are crazy ...

[Kir]

the new communist can ask where such nonsense about thermonuclear comes from, so for every fireman there is full reclamation after a nuclear one, and after a thermonuclear under 100 years, I advise you to look at the drop in radiation levels as well, I think that after reading your optimism will disappear without a trace.
Then what kind of heresy is the questioned fascism, though remembering your neglect of the founders, and like we ourselves ...... probably we should expect more new and new semantic degenerates. As a piece of advice, is it not time for your community to acquire its own language and alphabet, or somehow it’s not that .......

[new communist]

Hello Cyrus, Are you a god? What would you know, what is nonsense, and what is true. There are facts at the Semipalatinsk test site that blew up 456 vigorous charges, there will not be such accuracy in the 3rd World War and yet the land will be put into circulation, but are apartments in Hiroshima and Nagasaki cheaper because radiation? than analogues. Then I have not optimism, but the facts !!!
Then what kind of heresy is the questioned fascism --- just as you thought the Jews in Germany and Poland in 1933, then they paid the maximum.
And why the neglect of the fathers of the founders, Marxism is largely outdated, fact. A new movement of communist thought is needed, and so far no one has created it except the New Communists, sadly, but a fact.

[skeptical]

In Semipalatinsk, the explosions were underground and not so powerful. Ground explosions and underground are a big difference. With ground there will be a large level of radiation.

[new communist]

In Semipalatensk, different explosions were both air and ground, with a nuclear strike by amers in Russia 90% of the explosions will be air. The radioactive consequences will be insignificant, and if we take into account that the Russian strike will be delivered in the winter of January 4, then the radioactive and environmental consequences will be minimal.

[Klim]

The New Communist fully agrees with you that the consequences of a major nuclear war are greatly exaggerated. Nothing will change after the massive use of nuclear weapons, at least in Russia and the US, even governments will not change. You’re not paper bombing Japanese cities. There is a photo of one of the Japanese cities after bombing there is a building made of stone so it is not particularly badly damaged although it was in the center
the explosion.

[star_shina]

No need for January 4th, let's move it to 5. My mother-in-law has a birthday.

[Kir]

To begin with, the term questionnaire fascism is found only in your community, so explain in normative Russian, Jews paid with regards. Yeah, you just have to indicate poor Jews, the rich either paid off, or worse, they were sponsors and not Nazism but Nazism as applied to Germany, as an example. look at Shikelgruber’s friends, well, some of them are true Aryans.
In terms of radiation, let's start with the fact that two destroyed Japanese cities with colossal casualties are something in comparison with a full-scale nuclear war, and therefore the consequences of infection will be very different, and the impact even without taking into account radiation on the environment will be Catastrophic. Further, it is not at all necessary to be God, you just need to read the correct materials, and they are - there was such a work "Consequences of a Nuclear War" translated from English Moscow "Mir" 1988 (unfortunately, I have only the 2nd volume, although it is devoted to the impact on the environment and agriculture) the original source itself, as stated in the annotation, was published by SCOPE - International Committee on the Environment. Further, the lethal dose is a very individual measure, then how long can I remember, however, the tests were carried out on devices with limited power, which in the event of a War will obviously be observed only in part so as not to cover yourself and your allies, but no more!

[new communist]

To begin with, the term questioned fascism is found only in your community, ---- I agree, unfortunately, other serious communities pay little attention to this. Here the problem is as follows, in the modern world there is not a single nation on the basis of which fascism can be built as a system and defeated. Consequently, fascism will need to be built on an international basis, then it will not be defeated, since its reserves are unlimited. After the first stage of the 3rd World War, you can divide people into gentlemen and subhuman people, for example, using the questionnaire. Therefore, the name is the same, although in the future fascism may be called differently, but the bestial nature of this will not change.

[new communist]

Regarding radiation, well, let's start with the fact that two destroyed Japanese cities with colossal victims is something in comparison with a full-scale nuclear war, and therefore the consequences of infection will be very different, I do not agree, yes these cities are nothing, but in the 3rd World and the territories are different. As for the consequences, there are several points of view, quite a lot of scientists believe that civilization will not receive serious damage, for example, the consequences of a large-scale nuclear conflict in the latest US modeling are estimated at 400 million people, which is not fatal for civilization. Yes, and the facts say in favor of the possibility of a nuclear conflict.

[Kir]

So two at once
1) Fascism is international in essence, not without reason the party in Italy was called the National Fascist in order to emphasize the national orientation, the analogue of this trick is the party of Limonov NBP (a combination not compatible, both in name and symbolism). Then you did not explain the questionnaire prefix at all, because as an explanation:
You can divide people into gentlemen and subhuman people using, for example,
I'm sorry doesn’t clarify anything, just like the confusion of the master and the subhuman, here forgive either the superman and the subhuman (typical Nazi), or the master and slave.
2) For a full-scale conflict, I'm not sure about the figure of 400 million, unless, of course, instant losses are implied. Further, as it is not sad, but the Rats hold radiation better, plus possible mutations of pathogenic microorganisms, as a result of pestilence epidemics, add critical climate changes and not only it, it is enough to recall the Tunguska miracle, look how many times the blast wave bypassed the Earth, and here in the amount will obviously be much more. Simply put, the conflict is possible only if the power of the sworn "friends" of mankind turns out to be complete nonentities, since to believe in nonsense, such as in the event of a conflict, the number one board takes off, well, they took off well and did not fall under the lightning-fast lethal effect, but then they would land on the moon or where ?, then let's not forget that there are enough scientists, in the mind it is worth putting the scientists in a line in this context, they are essentially "call girls" - for what they will pay, the data will be shown. Further (here of course there will be apponents) look at how minke whales like to whip up hysteria, then the Soviet Threat, then the Aliens attack, etc., then it seems like a rake - SDI is quite memorable, but where is the probability that it is not the same here. Further, it may be worth looking at the business that benefits from this concept, global warming and so on seem to indicate the right direction of sight.
A book-books really advise you to look.

[new communist]

Hi, Fascism is intrinsically international, I disagree, until the age of 21, fascism was just national, although it allowed some concessions to other nationalities. As for the questioned questionnaires of the future, it’s not so much the method of dividing into superhuman that is important, although there’s just enough people subhuman, how many are the tasks that will face this ideology in about 4 years of the 3rd world, namely -. One world government that will manage the entire planet should not have a single state, even a small one, a population of no more than 300 million for the 21st century, one language, one currency, one nation (fascist earthlings), one economy, one currency, one religion , one new culture and new history, one army, one police, one law and so on, a lot more will be typed. Moreover, the new generation of An. Fascists should be people, honest, educated, decent, in general, real Aryans, and all this must be created no later than 2040. The problem is that only a new fascist ideology can solve this problem and no other

[new communist]

Further, as it’s not sad, Rats keep radiation better, I disagree, a person, unlike rats, can effectively deal with radiation, for example, protect infected territories with flags with symbols, use a dosimeter to control the degree of infection, walk in gauze dressings, remove radiation from the body , send your children to sanatoriums, but a lot of things can be done if society really begins to fight radiation.
For a full-blown conflict, I’m not sure of the figure of 400 million, unless of course instant losses are implied. --This is the data of the last Amer’s modeling, and there was an entire article on this site or in military parity.

[Kir]

I advise you to read the novel by S. Lewis (author of "Arrowsmith") "It is impossible for us" - a kind of alternative history of the United States, so it is clearly spelled out, including in the explanations, that Fascism was just fundamentally international and lasted until it came to Schickelgruber's power. Forgive me for the animal world, you do not know much, a lot of things that people "feel" with the help of instruments They feel, just look at the recent history - Tsunami in Southeast Asia, the animals feeling gone, then see the GPZ (though the plants behave strangely there) , so that.....
For Globalism, so forgive me and your forerunners suffered thereof - the World Revolution and hereinafter. Yes, and the Single Law, but you forgive me for just talking with a supporter of Legism, this is Good, because only the Law makes People Equal !!! as well as the Unified Ideology, which does not deny the local specifics. By modeling, so here what data was entered You do not know how you do not know who and for what purpose paid for this simulation.
All the same, read the Books, if in a list, then write in a personal email, on philosophy and the history of philosophy (I have already forgotten it), a solid ex. Was at the university (this is so noted).

[new communist]

Well, if I read the time, thanks for the advice. As for fascism, I won’t be able to discuss at first it was international, even with Mussolini it was like a toy, but at full strength, on the basis of the social Darwinism, it turned around precisely under Hitler, it was Hitler who showed his amazing power as ideology. His lessons will be taken into account and the questionnaire will be amended, unfortunately he will rejoice again, looking at modern under-fascism in Ukraine, you see how it will be. As for the animals, I agree they feel better, but the person also has to draw conclusions, and not run with the tsunami iPhone take pictures.
For Globalism, so forgive me and your forerunners suffered on this one - alas, this is not globalism, this is a new technological structure and it has its own logic. The problem is that there are no real ways to do this. Only after the 3rd world will such an opportunity appear.

[Kir]

I’m afraid that even the 3rd situation will not save, among the human race there was, there is and oh how long a decent percentage will be enough ......, and there is only one way to keep it tight somehow. This is a Mandatory Act for All, or another option according to F.V. Nietzsche (in the sense in his own words)
man is the bridge between the monkey and the superman,
Well and further in the text. So in the case of a Favorable combination of circumstances (which are favorable to everyone), as a reaction to changes in the environment, Nature can give a chance to a Different look (mutant), but the question is who will be his ancestor?
According to Social Darwinism, well, there’s still a question of who borrowed the struggle for existence from whom, but that’s okay, but that’s why in dashing years it was easy to buy Krasnov, my struggle and so on, but I didn’t hear anything about the Malthus Works, agree very strange.

[new communist]

Well, Darwin’s theory is generally controversial, --- I’m afraid even the 3rd situation will not save, among the human race there was, there is, oh, how long a decent percentage will be enough ......, and there is only One the way It is Mandatory Without exception for All Law --- disagrees, the key to creating a normal person is the correct and effective education. Unfortunately, only after the 3rd World War will prerequisites for its creation be created. There were successful examples in History, for example, in ancient Sparta, in fascist Germany, German girls, Hitler Youth, in the USSR, Octobers, pioneers, Komsomol, but there was little way out. Makarenko had experience. But the Questioned Fascists will have an opportunity much higher, if you are not too lazy to check (http://rollm.livejournal.com/) There it is more detailed and understandable.

[Kir]

Sorry, but you have clearly chaotic ideas about the human nature, and so on in order
Spartan, there, too, was free in his choice of profession, as far as I remember only agriculture and war. Then the political apathy was considered among the free was equated with idiocy. In general, at that time there lived such a figure as Socrates, but there was no work left, but in the works of his students such as Xenophon (the last buoy was forced to leave Athens due to the collapse of the power of 30 tyrants, after he settled in Sparta) and Socrates here the first in the work (a series of works called Socratic writings) indicates that Teacher divided Power over people into three categories
1 Power Power, obey but grumble and hate, the most short-lived
2 The power of Money, they obey and seem to agree, but the same for the time being
3 The Greatest Power of the Mind, here they not only obey, but follow as a guide without feeling hardships and deprivations !!!
Scroll for more than 20 centuries, the Legacy of F.N. Nietzsche, he has the same idea, Power of a Strong Smart Person, which, according to the principle of the pyramid, Um-Force obeys the principle of simple pyramid. But the most important thing that Nietzsche talked about is that privileges and privileges should not be transferred by right of inheritance, the individual must seek them herself, but what is even more interesting (what the so-called free individuals keep silent about):
The hardest art is to learn to control yourself,
and here it turns out that Such a Really Free Personality will not do much of what the so-called free people allow, but what’s even more interesting, and the Main Bad Part in such a vast majority of cases is not to aspire to the Top !!!
The USSR as a project, nevertheless, is a merit of not all Marxism-Leninism, but of I.V. STALIN and his Companions, because if the gang of Trotsky remained in power the bloody bacchanalia would have ended with the rejection of the Best that was during the USSR, and the state was otherwise.
a Hitler agent with a capital, hmm ..... it’s strange to see this in the text of an adherent of Communist values, then, in fact, Nazi Germany, especially its institutions of power, excuse a typical sect, and in sects more from training than from education.

This is all right Europe, and what about Asia, and here we see two pillars of the state, Teacher Kun’s school (Confucianism) and Legism (Faji), if the former were committed to Traditions and that the Family is important, then the Law is the main thing, an example is the comparison of two Schools
Father stole a cow
1 A decent Son must point out to the Father a criminal act (both schools are united here)
2 If the Father did not heed the words, then
Confucianism - The Son Should Not Go Against the Father
Legism - The son must declare on the father.
Further, the Teacher’s School called for the immutability of laws, while Legism pointed to the possibility of changing the Laws, legitimately justifying this with the requirements of constantly changing External and Internal Conditions. Knowledge: According to the Teacher, the Great Husband should strive for Knowledge, according to Legism, knowledge should serve only the One - Agriculture and War, then, with all respect to knowledge, the School consolidated property and social stratification, while Legism indicated that the Personality should win the Benefits for itself the ways of serving the One, to put it simply, neither the ranks, nor the rank, etc., are Inherited !!!

I’ll look at it, but in general I relate to this resource as a tweeter, face and other city ....

[UN-IFOR-SFOR]

And do not forget the main goals of any war - subjugation and resources. Who will need a nuclear desert?
Therefore, nuclear weapons are referred to as forces of deterrence, i.e. can be applied if it will be absolutely bad. Although limited nuclear strikes to solve tactical problems may well be. For example, the destruction of a localized large group of enemy forces in remote areas or where there is no urban development (deserts and mountains). But, too much.

[new communist]

And why such a goal can not be - And what a great goal among the questioned fascists. Why start a 3rd world? And the goal is common for the Nazis to build the millennial 4th Reich. And what would the 4th Reich project look like? I will answer. One world government that will manage the entire planet should not have a single state, even a small one, a population of no more than 300 million for the 21st century, one language, one currency, one nation (fascist earthlings), one economy, one currency, one religion , one new culture and new history, one army, one police, one law and so on, a lot more will be typed. Moreover, the new generation of An. Fascists should be people, honest, educated, decent, in general, real Aryans, and all this must be created no later than 2040. At first glance, the task seems unrealistic, and rightly so, if you do not see ways to solve it.

[Bersaglieri]

Someone reviewed "Iron Sky" and fell out of reality :)

[new communist]

And you know the reality, if someone told me two years ago what would happen to Ukraine, I also advised him to reconsider Iron Sky.

[Bersaglieri]

A good film, made with humor.
"Sarah Palin - for President!"

[skeptic]

Quote: New Communist

Yes, yes, moreover, a simultaneous nuclear attack on Russia and China is inevitable and no further than 2020.

Dear follower of Wangi, write such lines seriously, no way. Who needs a globally contaminated territory, without the potential for its use?
A real possible war, only with the neutralization of nuclear weapons. It is for (seed) that Ukraine is involved, as a battlefield, where Russia will never dare to use the "doomsday" weapon, as well as different igils (without state binding) are used for invasion (where the dog does not stick its tail). And all this is for twisting the turmoil, creating conditions for a change of power, with the subsequent elimination of nuclear weapons, respectively, for the subsequent division.

Estessno if Russia allows them.

[Victorio]

and who knows what human capabilities are possible, this crap territory will be this very realization of his capabilities

[skeket]

Quote: skeptic

Dear follower of Wangi, write such lines seriously, no way. Who needs a globally contaminated territory, without the potential for its use?

moreover, all servants, the golden billion, with the complete destruction of cities, will also die out. Do they need it?

[new communist]

necessary, and everything has its time.

[new communist]

Who needs a world-wide infected area, without the potential for its use? --- And you count the amount of possible radiation and the area of ​​at least the continents and divide, the result will surprise you, just above the natural background, or look at the reserve in the 30-kilometer zone, as the bison increased there livestock, like wild boars live, but they have no means of protection against radiation, as well as we live. A normal planet will be after the 3rd world thermonuclear, more than 10 nuclear attacks can withstand without consequences.

[Kir]

It’s not obvious that you urgently need to sit down at the desk and without any visits there, LJ and other Internet pribluda.

[Bayonet]

Quote: New Communist

In general, I’m surprised by the ability of people to think that if more than a thousand vigorous warheads are aimed at Russia, they will never fly to us,

Are you still alive It’s better not to suffer with this attitude ...

[new communist]

Hi, and I don’t suffer, before the war another 5 years should be fun.

[Unclean]

Quote: new communist

Hi, and I don’t suffer, before the war another 5 years should be fun.

I recommend to grow gills for myself. In five years, maybe it will. After so many blows, all the ice and ice will melt and then you can swim in plenty of water.

[skeptical]

Stock up on food and run away to the taiga. There is your salvation.

[new communist]

We are in the same boat, we’ll run together.

[lelikas]

Quote: professor

Are there really sane people who believe in the possibility of a unilateral nuclear strike (and indeed a nuclear strike in general)? request

There is a beloved, not the fact that they are sane, but if someone saves Germany from an invasion, someone wants to shoot with nuclear weapons, even though the theory of global non-nuclear strike is now popular, supporters of the old school probably remained.

[Bourgeois]

Quote: professor

Are there really sane people who believe in the possibility of a unilateral nuclear strike (and indeed a nuclear strike in general)?

Believers are)) But they are hardly sensible)))

[Pilat2009]

Quote: professor

Are there really sane people who believe in the possibility of a unilateral nuclear strike (and indeed a nuclear strike in general)?

If no one believes, why have they riveted so much? Yes, and you at one time seemed to be planning to use the Arabs when it was very hot

[Alex Nick]

Professor, you will not die from radiation, marathon races will prove you.

[Professor]

Quote: Alex Nick

Professor, you will not die from radiation, marathon races will prove you.

2-3 marathons a year have not killed anyone ...

[Vasek]

Quote: Alex Nick

Marathon races prove you.

Or some comments on the publications "10 photos from strategypage.com"
Anyway, they started with submarines, and came, as always, to the lynching of the professor!

[passerby1]

It is a pity that recently the number of such "sane" people who reject the possibility of a nuclear war is growing. The worst thing is that the number of politicians who reject the possibility of a nuclear war and make political decisions without taking into account the fact that the decisions made may lead to the outbreak of such a war, or significantly increase the likelihood of starting a nuclear war in the future, is growing. Once the fear of a nuclear war disappears, such a war becomes inevitable.

[new communist]

therefore war is inevitable.

[Finches]

Your American patrons (judging by the flag) and Western friends are very aggressive! Yes, and you can’t call Israel white and fluffy ... You can expect any tricks from you all! But you know, we are ready!

[Sibiriya]

You have something to worry about - you will no longer be Israel, otherwise the return strike will return strike))))

[dauria]

Are there really sane people who believe in the possibility of implementation ...

hmm, they do not "believe", but calculate the results and scenarios of a nuclear war since time immemorial (after 45). And "do not believe" - ​​this is a joke about a dying Jew. - "Sarah, put the Bible and the Koran in my coffin, just in case"

[Reasonable, 2,3]

"professor" in his repertoire.

[Wick]

something this Pentagon is not breaking. For 200+ years, they have predicted the death of America, but it will not die. Only the empires that predicted this on the map can no longer be found.

[skeptic]

Quote: Wick

something this Pentagon is not breaking. For 200+ years, they have predicted the death of America, but it will not die. Only the empires that predicted this on the map can no longer be found.

Well, why? Previous civilizations are destroyed, not much more than 200 years ago. And nowhere are there predictions of the complete destruction of America, if you do not take into account the Apocalypse, for the whole world.

[user1212]

Quote: Wick

something this Pentagon is not breaking. For 200+ years, they have predicted the death of America, but it will not die. Only the empires that predicted this on the map can no longer be found.

America is not yet three hundred years old, but has it already swung at greatness on a historical scale? Not too early? We have Peter older than the United States. All empires collapsed sooner or later

[Wick]

Well, yes, the last one in 91 collapsed.

[Wick]

Minus what he called an empire or what collapsed? Oh yes, it was a union, and everyone voluntarily stood in line to enter it. And the Warsaw Pact countries also wanted to, but they didn’t accept this annoyance.

[Denis_469]

There are cycles of history. The very first 300 years since its inception. The USA has not passed it yet. And it does not seem to pass. And then there are cycles of greater periodicity. A country that has not passed 300 years always has the highest chance of dying, since infant mortality is high.

[tchoni]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The time will come and compare the disadvantages of the opportunity on the wreckage of the Pentagon.

Damn, who wants to fight - right now in the world of 70 countries fighting. There is a choice .......

[Alex]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The time will come and compare the disadvantages of the opportunity on the wreckage of the Pentagon.

And who will compare? And most importantly, then who will it be of interest?

[Wick]

A strong Russia is necessary for the world. It is strange, of course, that it comes from a US citizen, but without a strong neighbor to powerful people, Bosko breaks down and begins to rush at anyone. The collapse of the USSR unleashed NATO’s hands on Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia and Wahhabis went to Chechnya. Until now, the collapse of the USSR makes itself felt. There is currently no power in the world that can counteract the ambitions of the West in any region of the world. The USSR, in turn, was also not an angel of truth, but kept balance in the world.

[denis02135]

Dear Wick, why is a strong Russia necessary for the world, and not a strong China, which is much more likely in the near future?

[Wick]

Russia is much developed and closer to the west from a religious and historical point of view. At the moment, the totalitarian Chinese regime is not predictable. Russia and the United States have been playing this game for many years and know how to play it very well. Russia has a history in Africa and South America, Europe, the Middle East and, of course, Indo-China. Christian Russia will always be trusted more than godless China. Why put a new player at the table when the cards are already dealt and the bets are already at stake?

[denis02135]

Dear Wick

Quote: Wick

Russia is much developed and closer to the west from a religious and historical point of view.

You are probably right, but on this site and not only Europe is called geyropa, Pindosovists, etc., etc. all eyes are directed to China. Now the position of China in Africa and South America IMHO is much stronger than Russian. The new player has long been at the table and takes aces from his sleeve.
Sincerely.

[Wick]

I agree with your point of view.

[Civil]

Quote: Wick

Where is the comparison? Status, features, disadvantages?

With SUCH quantitative superiority, it makes no sense to compare

[AKM9]

It becomes dreary when you start comparing the surface fleets of our countries. What did the leadership of our country think and think about when they destroyed 1000 ships and produced patrol boats, forgetting about a full-fledged fleet. In reality, we have begun designing destroyers only now, perhaps after the cooling of relations with Europe. The thought stubbornly knocks into my head that in reality no one really wanted to develop our ocean fleet, since it has not even been designed to this day, they tried to shove frigates into corvettes. Eight boats each, "Borey" and "Severodvinsk" (at the beginning there were such numbers), a couple of dozen patrol boats, so the entire ocean fleet and this fleet will go against dozens of Berks and Ticonderogs, a dozen aircraft carriers, (how many more ships of previous generations), as well as ships of all NATO countries to the heap. Here even Japanese kamikaze would take their heads, and our caps are flying into the sky, and this despite the fact that the prototype of the destroyer will be launched by 2025, there is no need to talk about aircraft carriers. Such a fleet cannot be called deterring the aggressor, no matter how the other way around.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: AKM9

that's the whole oceanic fleet and this fleet will go against dozens of "Berks"

Do you know how much it costs to maintain one submarine?
Let's make healthcare and education paid and instead rivet a dozen aircraft carriers, two dozen Peter the Great and fifty Severodvinsk. I will reveal a terrible secret, even this will not help in the war against China, the masses will be crushed

[Dog of war]

I thought that there was no money for their maintenance. Everything rests on and it is not necessary to start "everyone drank", "they could steal less, then they would have saved the ships", but they could, but they could not break up the USSR in general, they could not arrange a clan struggle within the party, they could allow weak-willed personalities to power only because it is convenient to manipulate them and it is convenient to profit from them, but history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. When the money appeared, it turned out that there were no ready-made projects that were not outdated during the design process, there was no "filling" for these projects, and not all shipyards remained within the country, and even more so not all remained afloat. Now all the large shipyards are packed, on SV, if my memory serves me, not a single empty slipway. On Zvezdochka 2 and both will soon take over. PS the article is weak, there are not even notes which submarines are in service, which are not capable of going to sea, which are under repair / modernization / overhaul with modernization.

[Denis_469]

You can read it on my website. In our fleet, I track all the boats, but by amer only not strategic ones.

[Vasek]

Quote: Civil

With SUCH quantitative superiority, it makes no sense to compare

In addition, strategic submarines / cruisers cannot be compared without regard to the other components of the triad - our land kagbe Strategic Rocket Forces compensate for something. And there, you look, and the DBA will catch up.

[star_shina]

Do not forget the volatile phrase - not a number but a skill! I am a little in the subject and I will say that these figures are nothing more than dry statistics.

[Col.]

Quote: Wick

Where is the comparison? Status, features, disadvantages?

There is such a comparison. But it's under the bar. There are, of course, open publications, for example, you can rummage through the files of the ZVO ("Foreign Military Review"), but all open comparisons have one or another degree of subjectivity and, therefore, errors.

[jjj]

I would just like to note that in the heading about BDRMy other boats are captured on the top photo

[bekjan]

Comparison in a tabular form is desirable. The material contains scarce information and it is clear that two submarine powers have father-in-law, and the number has yet to be calculated; qualitative characteristics are also absent.

[Andrey57]

The author did not even bother to write. what is the difference between Trident-2 and Blue (Liner), but at the same time, he has a priori, a boat with Tridents-2 is a wonderful system, which is not such. There are no missile defense systems on Trident-2, Trident-2 flies strictly along a ballistic trajectory, which makes them very vulnerable to missile defense systems. Sineva and its upgraded version of the Liner have enemy missile defense systems (USA), and most importantly, they fly along a flat trajectory, which reduces the flight time from the pier in Severomorsk to the cities of the US east coast to 12-17 min.

[sub307]

What a comparison, if the author even indicates the number of members is incorrect. Specifically - PLASN. Here are the data for 2014:
PLASN
BS-64 "Moscow region"
pr.09787
1986
PLASN
BS-136 "Orenburg"
pr.09786
1981
PLASN
AC-23
pr.1851
1986
PLASN
AC-21
pr.18511
1991
PLASN
AC-35
pr.18511
1995
PLASN
AC-13
pr.1910
1986
PLASN
AC-15
pr.1910
1991
PLASN
AC-33
pr.1910
1994
PLASN
AC-31
pr.10831
2010 (?)
Everything is registered for the Northern Fleet, on the other fleets no. Year - entry into service.
In the "dry sediment" clearly not 02 units. PSN "Sarov" pr.20120 do not count? Not PLASN, of course, but not even mentioned in the satya. I agree - not a combat, like, unit, but "walks" under the flag of the Russian Navy. Data from the site http://russian-ships.info/today/

[sub307]

For "sarov" I take the words back, the article is. But according to Plasn, there is a clear discrepancy.

[anti grandmaster]

how can girls be compared until I try it?

[vadson]

Well, from empty to empty, Oleg, write an article - a comparison of our and American databases

[Bongo]

Quote: vadson

Well, from empty to empty, Oleg, write an article - a comparison of our and American databases

You might be interested in:
World SSBN

http://topwar.ru/37406-mir-plarb-chast-1-ya.html

[Magic archer]

Quite often, such articles slip through. And it is so clear that we are losing to the Amer fleet in numbers. So we need to rely on quality. Ash and Borea are the future of the fleet! It remains to bring the boat to VNEU

[asiat_61]

But what about "KOMSOMOLTS"? ... she drowned ..

[SamSeBse]

Why don't you mention all the lost boats? "Komsomolets", K-219, "Kursk". And this is so without replenishing memory on the Internet.
And she did not "drown", but died. For boats and ships and planes with military affiliation are dying. Because they always carry out combat missions.

[Civil]

Quote: SamSebe

Why don't you mention all the lost boats? "Komsomolets", K-219, "Kursk". And this is so without replenishing memory on the Internet.
And she did not "drown", but died. For boats and ships and planes with military affiliation are dying. Because they always carry out combat missions.

[ivshubarin]

Why did you post it?

[Civil]

Quote: ivshubarin

Why did you post it?

If the Supreme Commander-in-Chief said "Drowned" is there no need to tell you that "died", or are you against VVP?

[user1212]

Quote: Civil

If the Supreme Commander-in-Chief said "Drowned" is there no need to tell you that "died", or are you against VVP?

It does not at all ambiguously hint to the journalist that there will be no comments. The task of a journalist is to give out a sensation; the task of a politician is to avoid unnecessary sensations. What's so surprising?

[mpa945]

Well, this statement has nothing to do with the "Komsomolets". Already 89 years old to hang on him - by the gate.

[Bayonet]

Quote: SamSebe

And she did not "drown", but died. For boats and ships and planes with military affiliation perish.

It is one thing to die in battle, another because of ........

[Igool]

Service is not only a fight, but rather the opposite. Constant readiness for combat. So, in "ordinary" service, not a small percentage of the personnel perish, due to both the human factor and the "technical overlaps". But they all die in the line of duty, and not "... the other because of ......"
And they deserve from this no less respect for them, both in your actions and in your statements.
Commander-in-chief is the same person. He is subject to errors.

[mpa945]

But they all die in the line of duty, and not "... the other because of ......"

Well? .. You probably draw conclusions from Cherkashin's book? Below they referred to Romanov (chief constructor, just in case) and so. The Planik died in the fight against "those who are in call of duty", alas ... and because of too ...

[star_shina]

That's right ... The fin killed his own crew, due to stupidity and lack of knowledge of technology. Sincerely sorry for the five OFFICERS who went to the depths with the boat, trying to at least do something.

[Uladik]

Respected! If you do not know, then better be silent.

[Uladik]

nuclear submarines are in combat service, i.e. - in constant combat readiness "pull the trigger". Regardless of whether the sky overhead is peaceful or otherwise, you need to be constantly ready to execute the command, i.e. - in constant tension. And this is, in addition to being constantly ready for a possible struggle for its survivability (water flow, fire, etc.), consider - for your life even in peacetime. That is why it is called military service.

[Evgeniy667b]

The Fin project, to which the Komsomolets belongs, is unique in its capabilities. Torpedo shooting from a depth of 800m, who else will do that? Therefore, our "partners in the fight for peace" have tried very hard to no longer build such ships in Russia. The most optimal thing is to edit the project, according to the modern element base, and put it into production at Krasny Sormovo. This will be a really high-quality step. It makes sense to bring the Irbis to the navy, before they get it off to stupid India.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

until it was stupid in stupid India.

In India, too, there is an army ...

[star_shina]

And the question price? If with modernization - abruptly Borea will come out at a cost.

[lelikas]

Quote: asiat_61

... she drowned ..

That's for this, I do not like our guarantor.

[Vasek]

Quote: lelikas

That's for this, I do not like our guarantor.

He’s just not a military man. And not every military difference will catch.

[lelikas]

Quote: Vasek

He’s just not a military man. And not every military difference will catch.

It is not a term, but how, where, and with what form it was said. Worse spitting in the soul.

[asiat_61]

I do not mean howling, I just need to know the truth, whatever it may be.

[Russian Uzbek]

the carrier of deep-sea stations BS-136 "Orenburg" seems to have been written off ... my bro served on it

[star_shina]

Not-a. 29 separate special-purpose brigade. Serves darling.

[altman]

An article for the sake of an article. Neither comparative characteristics, nor the analysis of opportunities in various conditions.

[avt]

Quote: altman

An article for the sake of an article.

Yes . As if without an article in the comments with illustrations, Roman gave out more than once!

[kostya-petrov]

one of the photos "Pike, Borey and Varshavyanka" made a mistake!
There are 945A "Condor" or "Barracuda", but not a Pike!

[mpa945]

kostya-petrov SU Today, 10:00

one of the photos "Pike, Borey and Varshavyanka" made a mistake!
There are 945A "Condor" or "Barracuda", but not a Pike!

Namely 945A. Barracuda - 945 has a much smaller felling fence. At 945A, a barrier was planned to be installed. Hence the long "fence"

[altman]

This is specifically "Nizhny Novgorod" of project 945A. I watched this year's parade, the name was announced. "Pskov", as far as I know, is still under repair

[star_shina]

Navy Day in Severomorsk in 2014 and there really is not Pike.

[Fotoceva62]

"But what about" KOMSOMOLTS "? ... she drowned .."
Don’t dare! For me, as for every sailor, a military or civilian ship is not a living thing. This is our house and we affectionately call it “steamboat” or “iron.” I cried when they drowned “Azov”, and next to my last ship father. If you have nothing to say, then better keep silent.
The article is so-so, but the review article will pull.

[zavesa01]

Quote: Fotoceva62

and we affectionately call it “steamboat” or “iron”

And only we have the right to say that rotting on iron. This is a living being, though metal. EVERY ship is different. This is our home about which we are still talking: "Here is the Motherland, here is the Flag."

[lotar]

Unfortunately, in the United States now there is something in the system that we are only approaching, namely, systems of surface and deep-sea tracking and monitoring of the marine environment. And as you know, war is not just one object’s battle with another, but a whole range of weapons against a similar complex at the enemy . And who will be able to competently manage what he has, he will receive an advantage.

[sabakina]

Quote: lotar

Unfortunately, in the United States now there is something in the system that we are only approaching, namely, systems of surface and deep-sea tracking and monitoring of the marine environment. And as you know, war is not just one object’s battle with another, but a whole range of weapons against a similar complex at the enemy . And who will be able to competently manage what he has, he will receive an advantage.

Laughs, in some 19 ... shaggy year, our 3 or 4 submarines, letting themselves be detected by their tracking system, then simply disappeared into the ocean. Hai they were not frail ...

[lelikas]

Quote: sabakina

Laughs, in some 19 ... shaggy year, our 3 or 4 submarines, letting themselves be detected by their tracking system, then simply disappeared into the ocean. Hai they were not frail ...

In March 1987, five nuclear-powered submarines, Project 671 RTM, of the first flotilla of the 33rd division of the Northern Fleet, as well as the Zakarpattya missile launcher, GISU Vaigach, and Tu-142m aircraft.
The operation had several objectives - to secretly pass the ASW lines, go to the Sargasso Sea and check the operation of mechanisms in high temperatures, check the operation of the Ritsa attachment, work out coordinated actions in the group and a number of other tasks. The last two were not fulfilled. "Ritsa" was out of order on 4 boats.
After the transfer of command of the operation to K-244, stealth was lost during the increased radio exchange and the detachment was discovered.
But at the same time, he was opposed by huge NATO forces - Reagan was reported on the "lost" missile carriers.
Three months later, all the ships successfully returned to the base.

[spiolist pas harp]

Quote: lelikas

The operation had several objectives - to secretly pass the ASW lines, go to the Sargasso Sea and check the operation of mechanisms in high temperatures, check the operation of the Ritsa attachment, work out coordinated actions in the group and a number of other tasks. The last two were not fulfilled. "Ritsa" was out of order on 4 boats.
After the transfer of command of the operation to K-244, stealth was lost during the increased radio exchange and the detachment was discovered.

And "failure" is real version or official?
Assumption: to set up and align new equipment (in this case, a masking system), I required let yourself be discovered. To know the threshold of the device. In a simple way, at what depth and / or at what distance they will find me.
But this is only an assumption.

[lelikas]

Quote: Speciolist on harp

Is the "failure" a real version or an official one?

In the official version about her there was nothing at all, and the prefix was completely new and almost everything was assembled on a live thread.

[dipqrer]

Operations "Aport" and "Atrina". The shukher was loud!

[spiolist pas harp]

Quote: lotar

in the USA now in service there is something we are only approaching, namely, systems of surface and deep-sea tracking and monitoring of the marine environment

That's what I think: why in history there is so much "swearing" of our submarines by American ones? It turns out that these horseradish shepherds just have better ones

surface and deep sea tracking and monitoring systems

, and not "poke around like blind kittens"! What is one of the most widespread versions of the Kursk sinking, given the urgent arrival of the American submarine in Norway?
The rest of your comment I can not object

[da Vinci]

Like it or not, the number and composition of the U.S. submarine fleet and surface fleet is higher in many respects - the tan has the strongest fleet in the world and has different tasks than in Russia, there is nothing to compare here. Even the USSR could not compete with several fleets of Tan, which was based in all the oceans (well, except for the S-L) and the ramification of naval bases around the world under the cover of air force bases allowed to maintain mobility and high availability. Russia must create a strategic fleet with the aim of inflicting, if necessary (pah-pah-pah) a guaranteed strike of retaliation and a demonstration of its power in 2-3 points of the world. The fleet eats up a lot of the country's resources (mostly just space), and this must be remembered. And let SUSHIKI spend the loot, even print!

[Kalmar]

the number and composition of the U.S. submarine fleet and surface, higher in many respects

This is quite expected.

The United States essentially has no land enemies: on the one hand, Canada, on the other - Mexico, with both problems there is no and is not expected. This allows you to focus on building up the Navy, which is just needed to spread its influence throughout the world.

Russia needs to defend a vast land border, which is why we have traditionally given priority to the NE. There are not so many resources left for the fleet, therefore, it has a different composition and tasks.

[Vasek]

Quote: Kalmar

There are not so many resources left for the fleet, therefore, it has a different composition and tasks.

And the goals are different. Well, Russia does not want to gendarme the whole world - we would have to master our taiga, Puteng once said.

[Kalmar]

Well, Russia does not want to gendarme the whole world

I would not say. Everyone wants to "gendarme" if not the whole world, then at least part of it. Often this is a question of banal survival: if you cannot crush any region for yourself, the enemy will dig in there, and this is already fraught with sideways.
Another thing is that in addition to desire, there are also opportunities that do not always coincide with this desire. So I would reformulate the statement to "Well, Russia cannot gendarme the whole world ...". Otherwise, yes, it is not up to the whole world for us, with our own good to somehow figure it out.

[raven75]

Eh, "Komsomolets". It still seems to me that then, in 89, there was an amer sabotage. A boat that easily sank to a depth of more than a kilometer, where it could not be reached by anything or anything. Until now, there are no analogues either for us or for amers. And she died from a banal fire. I do not believe.

[RONIN-HS]

...I do not believe...

Do not believe in vain.
I now have a book next to the monitor by Dmitry Andreevich Romanov "Tragedy of the submarine" Komsomolets ", 1993, St. Petersburg Publishers Association. It thoroughly investigates the accident of the Komsomolets submarine and every minute is analyzed and the causes of the accident. Sailors need to know such things.
I will try to debug my scanner and upload scanfiles to the Internet.

[star_shina]

1993 year of publication ... You can go no further. But he doesn’t write why this crew kept the boat for only 2 weeks (until autonomy) for the whole year? Or why, in the 9th compartment, they first filed a sucker and only after 4 minutes! announced a fire alarm? and such or - darkness. And this book is a rather clumsy attempt to justify the designers in the first place. Fortunately (or by stupidity), the logbook was preserved, but it has been kept secret for a long time and for a long time, as are the conclusions of the State Commission. Exceptionally, excerpts were quoted to us from time to time - hair moved from what these nerds did on the boat.

[Bayonet]

Quote: raven75

Eh, "Komsomolets". It still seems to me that then, in 89, there was an amer sabotage.

Of course diversion! From the beginning of the construction of the Soviet state and until now, all failures (gouging, inability, nonsense, etc.) are usually attributed to the machinations of enemies. It cannot be otherwise? We are the most intelligent and skillful, and beyond the hill fools ... but insidious! !

[mpa945]

Of course diversion! From the beginning of the construction of the Soviet state and until now, all failures (gouging, inability, nonsense, etc.) are usually attributed to the machinations of enemies. It cannot be otherwise? We are the most intelligent and skillful, and beyond the hill fools ... but insidious! !

Indeed ... in 1905 and 1914-1916 there was no sabotage ... due to the absence of Soviet power. Only "talented" leadership ... (This does not apply to Komsomolets, alas ...)

[Takashi]

I also did not see in the article - "comparison". A simple banal listing.
The number of fleets is not indicated. How much to be in combat readiness. The number of trips to the sea / camping.
set + - probably only out of patriotism, although it is sometimes oh how wrong

[dimasialyt]

Our boats from DV-bases are a little faster to "puzzle" the amers than to cover the amers in our western part. Oleg, apparently, did not fully think about what "cinema" is about.

[star_shina]

It is much easier to go unnoticed with the Far East, and in the SF Atlantic group of SOSUS hydrophones hears any of our boats from the moment they leave the base ..... Rather, Losharik would cut the cable for them .... Dream!

[sevtrash]

Will there still be a comparison? In general, in terms of quantity it is understandable, in terms of quality - more likely, too. The main question remains, which for some reason is not addressed at all. What is the effectiveness of nuclear submarines, primarily as a component of the nuclear triad of containment / attack?
To do this, it would be nice to know how many boats with missiles are on combat duty during the year, how many boats can go on combat alert in case of emergency, how many missiles can launch. And all this taking into account being on service, testing, etc. And the stability of combat systems. How many American boats / robots are escorted by Russian carriers, and how many Russian nuclear submarines are American. How protected are the boats in the basing places and whether they can even get out of there or launch missiles without enemy influence.

[Col.]

Quote: sevtrash

how many boats with missiles are on combat duty during the year

You will be very surprised, but the concept of "DB in base" has long been introduced into our plans for BS for rpkSN! That is, patrolling in traditional areas has been replaced by duty at the base (at the wall). Explain why, or can you guess?

[sevtrash]

Quote: Colonel

Explain why, or guess yourself?

Probably be surprised, but there’s nothing to guess. If you read my comment more attentively - ... How much are the boats protected in the basing places and can they even get out or launch missiles without enemy influence ... then would you have such questions?
But the essence of the issue has not changed from this - what is the effectiveness of this component of the nuclear triad? And at least in two conditions - an unexpected and expected blow, although, of course, there can be many options. Given the possibility of influencing a patrol boat, as more than one enemy boat / robot can accompany her and her ally. Given the possibility of affecting the boats at the base - preliminary (for years) laying mines, torpedoes, the possibility of sabotage at the level of development and construction (put an inactive beacon or a structural feature of the hull, which will flash during induced irradiation, etc.), viruses in software or hardware level, etc., just a cruise missile strike and finally - there is and in what capacity the possibility of launching from the berth wall, how much, for how long.
This effectiveness, including sustainability, naturally needs to be compared for the United States and Russia.

[Vadim237]

The US will build all planned submarines three times faster than we do our own.

[Denis_469]

Not faster. Faster announce the introduction of the fleet. And after it another 2 years in repair, to bring to mind. Our bring to mind immediately. We have, in principle, less construction time. If you cut out the cuts.

[Viktor Kudinov]

The impression is clear: we need to work on our submarine fleet so that there is no doubt that it will not yield to another fleet.

[Observer]

America may have submarines, maybe more than ours, or maybe better, but they don’t and never will have such crews as in Russian submarines. The mentality is not the same. And in itself this iron will not work.

[Wick]

And you know that all sailors on US submarines are volunteers. The best sailors of their choice are taken to serve on the submarine. This fact speaks about a lot of people do not think?

[star_shina]

We also have it at will ... The boy failed exams at VVMU, and they tell him, you’ll go to the submariners, we will accept them with deuces ... Personnel decide everything.

[star_shina]

Bravo! You can't say better. They have 50 days of the seas and immediately 65 rest with their family, and we have 90 - 24 days of rest at the part and again in the sea. "Rats" run immediately or after the first autonomous system ... But whoever remained - will have a bite of any American ... under an awl.

[Mature Hrych]

The entire submarine fleet is here.

[Prometheus]

Tell me, why do we produce several types of multipurpose submarines, several types of SSBNs? Isn't it more profitable to build 1 type of multipurpose nuclear submarine (for example, "Ash"), 1 type of SSBN ("Borey"), etc. ?

[altman]

The boats of previous projects were commissioned in the Soviet Union. While there is enough opportunity only to repair them. As new boats enter service, old ones will be decommissioned.

[dimasialyt]

Now, of course, it is more profitable to get by with one "fool". If we get rich, we need to think about options. But in a big way, what's the difference, than we fuck the planet? ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: dimasialyt

But basically, what's the difference than we fucking the planet? ...

What have you gathered ??? You already warn in PM when - you will need to come off in full!

[Dembel77]

dimasialyt RU Yesterday, 13:52 | "There is a war, and the Russian economy is unarmed"
Quote: UralChel
for dorm
... for nothing ... the test word: "gift".

In a stranger's eye, a straw is visible, in his - logs are not satiated!

Quote: dimasialyt

who cares what we planet fuck?...

The test word is yo ...

[lelikas]

Quote: Prometheus

Tell me, why do we produce several types of multipurpose submarines, several types of SSBNs? Isn't it more profitable to build 1 type of multipurpose nuclear submarine (for example, "Ash"), 1 type of SSBN ("Borey"), etc. ?

Actually now only two types are being built, before, for each new missile, it was necessary to build a new boat - designers could not increase the range without increasing the dimensions. Again - if roughly - there were three directions - missile, torpedo, and cruise missile boats. With the transition to a new generation, the number of projects increased, the infrastructure became more complicated and a lot of everything related to it.
The Yankees have this easier, as with the basing.

[star_shina]

During the construction of the second - the first is already considered obsolete. It's like a VAZ - 01, 03,04, ....

[xomaNN]

Yes, the "potty" parity for the submarines of the Soviet and US Navy in the 80s in the past But I am glad that the recession of the 90s was overcome by the new submarines and diz. Submarines are designed and built. The states need not only Russia to scare China with their fleet. I hope that we are more ally than the enemy

[dimatskiy]

Tie it up with these stupid articles like Russia Against the USA, we have better tanks, or a fleet (for them), and so on. It will remind you of the senseless piping of serving couch troops, on which nothing depends anyway. And patriotism, not expressed in this, does not our tanks are cooler and we are proud of it

[Bismarck]

Quote: dimatskiy

Tie it up with these stupid articles like Russia Against the USA, we have better tanks, or a fleet (for them), and so on. It will remind you of the senseless piping of serving couch troops, on which nothing depends anyway. And patriotism, not expressed in this, does not our tanks are cooler and we are proud of it

I completely agree. If the war starts there will be nothing to compare. Therefore, let there be a better world on the globe.

[surovts.valery]

Superficially. But then without any fabrications, like they are like this, and we have them like this. Formally, according to the numbers, the number of units in the combat strength, everything is correct. But as if there is still such a concept, unofficial - "in the ranks", but who is interested, in open sources you can easily find. I am also glad that in terms of submarines, especially nuclear submarines, unlike the surface fleet, we, even China, cannot catch up in the near future. Well, for the states, our submarine fleet has always been a headache (and not only), and has remained so.

[mihak88]

A quantitative correlation of forces is a little sad, I would like parity in the number of carriers

[Bayonet]

Not in the subject, but ... The question was always tormented why people do not understand each other, but try to climb into space with messages to other civilizations.
On September 16, 1974, a historic message was sent to space from a radio telescope installed in Arecibo (Puerto Rico, Antilles). On March 1972, 3, the Pioner-10 automatic interplanetary station and on April 1973, 6, the Pioneer-11 automatic interplanetary stations were launched into space for the exploration of Saturn and Jupiter. After research, over time, they were supposed to go beyond the boundaries of the solar system and scientists knew this. Scientists hoped that after exiting the system, vehicles could be picked up by representatives of an extraterrestrial civilization. In this case, an aluminum gilded tablet with information about the Earth and our civilization was attached to the “Pioneer –10”.
In addition to devices of the “Pioneer” type, messages were also sent on devices of the “Voyager” type.
We are building on Earth the most complex systems of annihilating each other and are looking for brothers in mind in Space ... why, in order to build combat starships?

[Alex]

Quote: Bayonet

why people do not understand each other, but try to climb into space with messages to other civilizations.

Do you seriously believe in these PR freaks?

16 September 1974 g. In space was sent a historical message from a radio telescope

Yes, until they reach at least somewhere, they will either be distorted beyond recognition, or even fade out to the level of intergalactic noise.

In the 1972 year of 3 on March, the Pioner-10 automatic interplanetary stations and the 1973 of the 6 April of the Pioneer-11 were launched into space to study Saturn and Jupiter ... Scientists expected that, after logging out of the system, representatives of extraterrestrial civilization could pick up.

It is interesting to get acquainted with the theoretical premises of these calculations. I ask you not to bring Efremov and Azimov.

Quote: Bayonet

In addition to devices of the “Pioneer” type, messages were also sent on devices of the “Voyager” type.

At their speeds, they will travel until the second coming. And even more.

The solar system is located in a rather deserted part of not the largest and most populated galaxy. The probability of an accidental meeting (namely, this is the basis for all contact theories) with representatives of extraterrestrial civilization is less than the possibilities of Twain's macaque. That is why we send such messages against the background of the desire for self-destruction. A sort of sophisticated masochism.

[BM-13]

Quote: Bayonet

build combat starships

I would like to believe that by the time we meet them, neither we nor they will need them. But who knows what they have on ye (or else where there ... )

[Denis_469]

The author wrote something incomprehensible. Type of spherical horse in a vacuum. In fact, everything is sad for us. Of the 69 submarines that are currently in the fleet, there are only 43 combat ready, 11 of them strategic ones with ballistic missiles. There are 12 strategic submarines in the United States. Here, almost parity turned out. But for all other boats ... for all the rest the finish is complete. We have 31 combat ready non-strategic submarines (without GRU boats), and in the USA 46 combat-ready non-strategic submarines. In the USA, there are 9 submarines under repair, while we have 17 submarines under repair. But this is not the most interesting. The most interesting thing is that in the USA, boats will evenly go out of repairs every year, and in our country they will start to go out of repairs only in 2017 on a massive scale. Our new nuclear boats will also begin to enter en masse in 2017. In 2014, they went into operation and now wait only until 2017. We are waiting for repairs and upgrades of 6 submarines, in the US only 2 submarines are waiting.
In the United States, fleets are balanced in capabilities - we are out of balance. 6 boats were built for the Black Sea Fleet, but not one was built for the Pacific Fleet. And there you need at least 20 diesel engines. Now they are slowly writing off the wear of the boat and that’s all - without replacement. For the BF did not lay a single boat either. Update for SF only 3 corps of the project 677 and that's it. In the USA, repairs take an average of 2 years, with us an average of 3,5 years. And this despite the fact that our labor productivity is higher in factories. They just steal from us steeper than in the USA. Formally, in the USA they steal more in this area, but the scheme is different there, and few steal, but a lot. In our country, however, everyone can take as much as they can. At the same time, in the USA, the cut is laid down in the project immediately and the estimate does not grow in the process. Our estimates are made without cutting, and then the cost rises and the need for additional money moves the terms to the right. I read a discussion the other day with a warrior with promos on the question of: who is to blame for the new watchdogs becoming shit? It is clear that the shit is both there and there, but when they began to give examples of who stole successfully and how much, they were very surprised. Especially because for the successful cut of 300 thousand rubles, the ship commander was reprimanded and nothing more. Not even strict, but ordinary. Strogach in the Navy, probably now give no less than a million rubles cut. In the United States, I cut another, and therefore, the deadlines are kept.

[sevtrash]

And the numbers of combat-ready boats are not so catastrophic. It seems. How many boats are on alert in Russia and the United States at sea, would you mind? UK and France like 1-2 anytime? What percentage of boats will be able to retaliate in the face of opposition? Is it possible to launch missiles from their home base and in what version? A year ago, even in the comments of the article "The world of SSBNs" was interested in this, no one said so plainly.

[Denis_469]

I will not say in Russia. In the USA, you can see on my site in the deployment of American submarines. I have a theme on my site for several years now. Starting from the places of basing with us is possible for any boats from the surface. In the United States, boats cannot be fired from bases from the surface; therefore, they cannot climb out of the seas. In Ohio, Trident launch is only possible from underwater. It may be possible from a surface, but since the boats entered service, there has not been a single surface launch at all. Therefore, we can say that Ohio can only shoot from underwater at sea.

[sevtrash]

And how many SSBNs will survive at sea and at bases upon impact from the enemy, even before the ballistic missiles arrive and before their retaliatory strike?
Why aren't the Americans shooting from the surface - technically impossible or simply not considered necessary? It seems that for them it is not difficult to work out this version of the launch.
What is your site?
Thanks for answers.

[Denis_469]

Everyone will survive in the bases. At sea too. Ballistic missile to us fly at least 20 minutes. From us to the United States as much. During this time, the SPRN will give an alert, and all boats will be discharged. By the time the American warheads arrive, they will already be empty at sea and in bases. And from the bases they will leave at full speed into the sea to the depths where you can dive. If the war is ordinary, then the defeat of boats in the bases at our place is almost impossible, since Tomahawks are such a joke. And NATO does not have enough aircraft to break through air defense.
Why they don’t shoot - because, in my opinion, when developing any weapon, the principle of its use is first determined. And if SLBM was originally created only for underwater launch, then it will not have a surface launch, since it is not provided for constructively. And to change the design of SLBMs it takes so much money that it’s cheaper to pile a new missile. My site is called Forum Submarine. I do not give links here, as this is prohibited.

[sevtrash]

Quote: Denis_469

Everyone will survive in the bases. At sea too. Ballistic missile to us fly at least 20 minutes.

It meant how many submarines will survive until the ballistic missiles arrive. Given that every Russian submarine is accompanied by an American, possibly not one, perhaps robots, survival at sea (and the Barents and Okhotsk) seems problematic. The possibility of impact on SSBNs at the bases even before their discharge seems also not at all zero. Sabotage groups, laying mines, torpedoes, missile launchers and cruise missiles with nuclear submarines (for example, the same Virginia or Sivulfa). Of course, such calculations - how many SSBNs will be able to be discharged with different options for the onset of a conflict - exist who would only voice it. Most American SSBNs seem to survive, while Russian SSRs, on the contrary.

[Denis_469]

Not every American boat accompanies us. Read my info about the deployment of American pl. And look at how many boats there are and where they are. And then suppose for a moment that I know this info, not only I am alone, but also the command of the Northern Fleet, for example. And it was already puzzled by the tracking of the American boat. Robots are an alternative reality for our military. Since if there are robots there, then the fishermen will take them for fish and catch them quickly. The diversion groups in our bases are, in my opinion, pure fantasy. You can’t even remember about Tomahawks. All their air defense will survive. RCC on boats can be used only in the surface position of boats. And in it they go under the protection of the OVR and aviation during the threatened period or during the war. Because 4-8 harpoons is nothing. In the event of a long ordinary war, most of the American strategic submarines will die, and most of our survivors, since the bases of our strategists are located in such a way that you can’t particularly get to them in the war. And boats can shoot from bases too. Americans need to go to sea, and they can shoot only from clearly defined positions indicated by bottom sonar beacons. All of their 100% patrol areas have long been established. Because American women will not need to be searched. It will be necessary to come to the regions and drown American strategists there. A trident is such a rocket, which for launching needs equipped positions to constantly clarify the place of the boat. In Ohio, there are no such inertial navigation systems as are on our boats. Therefore, without sonar beacons, American women quickly run into a large error in the place. Therefore, with it, rockets can fly anywhere, only to the wrong place. Therefore, each Ohio patrols at different intervals over hydroacoustic beacons and clarifies its place on them. Our strategists can hang out anywhere and have a normal shot.

[sevtrash]

And where does the submarine read this on the site? He climbed in, there is a forum, in which section?
Thanks for the info. Well, if so, then Russia will still live, including thanks to its fleet. On the other hand, the Americans are practically getting better. Equipment, service, resources. Under these conditions, considerable efforts must be made so that at least a small part of SSBNs is discharged if necessary, and in the future these efforts will need even more.

[Denis_469]

And there everything is clear. About submarines in general, the theme of submarines. Under the chronicle. And if by country, then little by little I spread the combat activity of boats by country. There is a section of the list of laid out boats and by country. If the Americans had everything better, then I would not write that our strategists in a conventional war will survive almost everything, and most Americans will die.

[Wheel]

Quote: sevtrash

On the other hand, the Americans are practically getting better. Equipment, service, resources.

Most importantly, Americans have a lot better PR.
Provide a poop in the form of candy - like two fingers on the asphalt.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Denis_469

Americans need to go to sea, and they can shoot only from clearly defined positions indicated by bottom sonar beacons.

Well, ooh, that's a joke!
Nuts can shoot from anywhere, if only the targets were within reach. However, like our 667 and 955.
They can use the main weapon from the deployment route, RBD, etc. But about the "positions designated by the bottom hydroacoustic beacons." So this is from laziness, in peacetime, when the SSBN walks in a box in a navigation-safe area at a depth of up to 100m. Believe me, with the transfer to the highest degrees of BG in these areas you will not find anyone. They are suckers, of course, but they, like us, have secret areas of combat patrolling. Probably covered by PLO forces, Mk-60 Captors, sonar systems and DGO ships.

Quote: Denis_469

All of their 100% patrol areas have been established long ago. Because American women will not need to be searched. It will be necessary to come to the regions and drown American strategists there.

No comments!!!
I even lost the power of speech !!!

Quote: Denis_469

A trident is such a rocket, which for launching needs equipped positions to constantly clarify the place of the boat. In Ohio, there are no such inertial navigation systems as are on our boats.

The SSBN navigation complex provides constant output to the missile system of accurate data on the location, depth and speed of the submarine. It includes an autonomous inertial system, optical and visual observation tools, computer equipment of satellite navigation systems, receiver-indicators of radio navigation systems and other equipment. The Ohio navigation SSBN complex, including Trident-1 missiles, included two SINS Mk2 inertial systems 7 mod. »MX-5, navigation sonar AN / BQN-1105, reference frequency generator, computers, control panel and auxiliary equipment. The complex provided accuracy for Trident-31 SLBMs (KVO 1-300 m) for 450 hours without correction for external navigation systems.
The Ohio type SSBN navigation system with Trident-2 missiles provides higher accuracy characteristics of firing missiles (KVO 120 m) and maintains them for an extended time between corrections from external navigation sources. This was achieved by improving existing and introducing new systems. So, more advanced computers, digital interfaces, navigation sonar were installed and other innovations were applied. The ESGN inertial navigation system, equipment for determining the location and speed of SSBNs for submarine sonar transponder beacons, and a magnetometric system were introduced, http://rbase.new-factoria.ru

Quote: Denis_469

Our strategists can ... have normal shooting anywhere.

This is for sure! Even from the polar latitudes, unlike the Yankees!

[Dog of war]

Quote: sevtrash

Quote: Denis_469

Everyone will survive in the bases. At sea too. Ballistic missile to us fly at least 20 minutes.

It meant how many submarines will survive until the ballistic missiles arrive. Given that every Russian submarine is accompanied by an American, possibly not one, perhaps robots, survival at sea (and the Barents and Okhotsk) seems problematic. The possibility of impact on SSBNs at the bases even before their discharge seems also not at all zero. Sabotage groups, laying mines, torpedoes, missile launchers and cruise missiles with nuclear submarines (for example, the same Virginia or Sivulfa). Of course, such calculations - how many SSBNs will be able to be discharged with different options for the onset of a conflict - exist who would only voice it. Most American SSBNs seem to survive, while Russian SSRs, on the contrary.

Looks like someone outplayed in CoD, really outplayed.

[sevtrash]

Quote: Dog of war

Looks like someone outplayed in CoD, really outplayed.

Something seems to me that the number of people working in the NSA, the CIA, the Navy, the Navy, Lockheed, Boeing, etc. etc. there are no fewer potential opponents on SSBN defeats than there are programmers in Infinity Ward, Treyarch and Sledgehammer Games.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Denis_469

Everyone will survive in the bases. In the sea too

All boats in factories, floating docks and others will end their existence without a move and the ability to dive.
At sea - tracked and attacked by airborne submarines and submarine forces by submarine submarines and mobile lines.

Quote: Denis_469

Ballistic missile to us fly minutes 20 minimum.

Is not a fact. It all depends on the distance between the SLBM launch point and the Target. From the Norwegian Sea to Moscow - 7-10 minutes; to Vladivostok - more than 30 minutes.

Quote: Denis_469

By the time the American warheads arrive, they will already be empty at sea and in bases. And from the bases they will leave at full speed into the sea to the depths where you can dive.

The boats will not be in permanent bases with the introduction of the readiness of the AO, until the start of the OBD. But they will be "discharged" only upon receipt of an order to use weapons. And when he enters - only the Supreme knows!

Quote: Denis_469

If the war is ordinary, then the defeat of boats in the bases at our place is almost impossible, since Tomahawks are such a joke.

It’s a pity the Pentagon does not know about this, planning MSU with ordinary weapons!
At the same time, in the first strike it is planned to use 5-7 thousand sea-launched rocket engines! I don’t think it is necessary to list the alternating objects of impact.

[Denis_469]

5-7 thousand missiles in the United States are not purely physical. There are 4 thousand. Their combat effectiveness is near-zero.

[Wheel]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

At the same time, in the first strike it is planned to use 5-7 thousand sea-launched rocket engines! I don’t think it is necessary to list the alternating objects of impact.

Nude ...
Projects, they are in Africa too.
The reality is much sadder.
A total of 7302 Axes (for 13 years) of all modifications were produced.
By year 12, just over 2000 were used in combat and 500 in test launches.
As you can see, a little does not reach 5000.
If you also take into account the number of withdrawn from service and destroyed under the agreement of the RMD, then the picture is even more depressing.
But these are details.
The main garbage is that with the number of carriers available for yusyats (39 nuclear submarines and 83 surface ones), only 5038 pieces can be placed on them at a time (of which 1050 pieces are on the submarine).
And, representing the orderly rows of destroyers and cruisers, slowly tapping towards our shores, I ask a simple question: will Russia chew snot while watching this spectacle?

Shl. Since the announcement of the "strategy of a global non-nuclear strike", I am firmly convinced that this tale was invented for suckers.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Wheel

Projects, they are in Africa too.

Under these searchlights, the Yankees in France ordered 2,3 ths KRBD and mastered a new, using the LRAMS KRBD stealth technology. The milestone is marked - 2020.
So, we will live - we will see!

Quote: Wheel

from the "strategy of a global non-nuclear strike", I am firmly convinced that this fairy tale was invented for suckers.

Something I have doubts take that in the Pentagon keep suckers. But the concept of "instant global strike" exists, and the GSP is being made for it. And the fact that we take this seriously is evidenced by the fact that a new type of aircraft is being created - videoconferencing! and weapons too.
Sincerely.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Denis_469

In the United States, boats cannot be fired from bases from the surface; therefore, they cannot climb out of the seas. In Ohio, Trident launch is only possible from underwater. It may be possible from a surface, but since the boats entered service, there has not been a single surface launch at all. Therefore, we can say that Ohio can only shoot from underwater at sea.

The judgment is erroneous.
The storage and start-up system is designed for storage and maintenance, protection against overloads and shocks, emergency release and launch missiles with SSBNs located in the underwater or surface position. On Ohio-class submarines, this system is named Mk35 mod. 1 for the Trident-2 complex.
Why this is not done. The Yankees take care of their equipment. After Trident’s dry mortar launch from an underwater position, the boat is protected from impact by more than 57 tons by 30m of water, the mine’s already closed cover and the automation of the replacement system.

Quote: Denis_469

Starting from the places of basing with us is possible for any boats from the surface.

Again, a certain stretch. We have a wet start. Therefore, the mine is pre-filled with overboard water. The rate of fire depends heavily on the time to fill the annular gap.
Experimental shooting of the BDRM at one time was carried out in Yagelnaya from the floating pier. The equipment showed that the pier moved by no more than 0,5 m. The boat practically did not sway. If memory serves, "sat down" by 20-30cm.
On photo shooting from a floating pilot from a NP.

[Alex]

Quote: Denis_469

Type of spherical horse in a vacuum.

With what frequency will you bring this phrase you love?

[Denis_469]

And how to replace it? Tell me - maybe I’ll replace it.

[Alex]

Quote: Denis_469

And how to replace it?

Think of it yourself. It’s just that such strong expressions produce an effect a couple of times, after half a year it becomes clear that the citing person just picked it up somewhere and musolit because of the meager vocabulary.

Tell me

Since I am with you on "you", then I ask the same from you.

[Denis_469]

But in fact there are replicas of the claim? Or is that phrase the only thing that managed to cling to?

[Alex]

Quote: Denis_469

But in fact there are replicas of the claim? Or is that phrase the only thing that managed to cling to?

Actually, this is exactly the point. As for the comment, it was carefully read and did not raise any objections. I will not say that I completely agree with him (in particular, the lag in terms of leaving the repairs personally does not seem to me so catastrophic, as if we do not have a situation "if tomorrow is war", which should in no way serve as a reason for suicide). I did not react to it in any way, since this is your opinion and it seems to me quite reasonable and logical, and I also consider the situation with the submarine in Russia to be far from ideal. I'm just tired of stumbling over this phraseological unit, with which you often start your comments. If it really hurt so much - I apologize, but I hope for some consideration of the interests of other forum visitors.

PS Specially clinging to any comments neither you nor others consider acceptable. Just expressed an opinion - and then the forum ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Denis_469

And how to replace it? Tell me - maybe I’ll replace it.

For God's sake!
"Stop pulling the Owl on the globe!" (C)

[Denis_469]

Thanks, I’ll think about this option.

[lelikas]

Quote: Alex

With what frequency will you bring this phrase you love?

For fun - I read all Denis's posts - she is not there anymore.

[Boa kaa]

Denis, it is felt that you are a person not indifferent. Therefore, I allow myself to disagree with some of your judgments.
1. Everything is sad for us.
Not at all! 2 rpkSN delivered to the fleet, another 2 are in various stages of readiness. The program for building the fleet forces has not been canceled. 11 of ours versus 12 of Amer’s SSBNs with the overall balance of strategic nuclear forces on carriers and BBs is also not very bad. Yes, I would like more, but teachers, doctors, pensioners also want a decent life. And in conditions of sanctions and falling oil prices, this is not easy.
2. In the USA, fleets are balanced according to their capabilities ...
Fleets must be balanced by FORCE! Which provide a balance of opportunity. No matter how strong the subfloor is, it cannot solve the task of air cover and isolation of the database area (operation). Only AUS can do this.
3. About the reasons for theft in our USC.
This is, first of all, the lack of a clear pricing methodology and an overestimated rate of return.
4. Commander and 300 thousand
By modern standards, these are crumbs! A signature on a ship acceptance certificate costs a lot more. But if the party organs could protect you before, now the commander is between a rock (command) and a hard place - proms, thirsty at all costs (in order not to lose bonuses and run into penalties) to hand over the order. So decide what is more important for you: honor, conscience, career, freedom ...
Only later, when WOOD, all well-wishers disappear somewhere, the bosses refuse direct orders and their own signatures, friends become unavailable ... I knew a few who took the courage and publicly ordered VO: "Write in the logbook:" to control the ship the Deputy Fleet Commander entered ... "Or a report with addressing to 3 addresses: to the Commander, the head of the FSB and the military prosecutor ...
After that, serving is not just difficult, sometimes unbearable! But you won’t go for the sake of the high idea of ​​the fleet’s battlefield.
They were men with iron eggs, flint was softer than their words.
IMHO.

[Denis_469]

Today, perhaps, I am the only one in the country who remains competent in the matter.
AUS is already the last century. There were no wars where missile submarines opposed aircraft carrier formations or groups. And so the 1982 war has already shown that the anti-submarine capabilities of the AUG are near-zero. An Argentine boat was able to attack an English aircraft carrier. And her trouble is that the boat used American and German torpedoes, which were all malfunctioning. Otherwise, now no one would have thought or seriously talked about the power of aircraft carrier groups and formations.

And about our fleet. Personally, I left Severomorsk a long time ago. And I’m glad, in principle, that I don’t communicate with professional military and military industries. Because nerds and degenerates both there and there. And now the situation in our fleet looks like this:
Sailors: we need a new ship (boat)
pumps: your requirements?
sailors: what can you do?
proms: what do you need?
sailors: we need powerful ships on which to fight
proms: technical task let's
sailors: what is the terms of reference?
proms: to the ship (boat)
sailors: so we expect you to do the technical task yourself, build us a good ship and we will go on it
proms: before building, you need to know what to build
sailors: do you still not know?
proms: what should we know?
sailors: like what-what kind of ships do we need
the highest authorities: both of you are dumbfounded by your stupidity. They sat down and together they came up with what the fleet needed. Then for my signature
proms and sailors: is
after that, there is a heated discussion in the style of "myself" with the announcement of amateurs all who have no experience of sitting on chairs in positions.
Bear for signature. Management signs.
Proms built.
sailors: why the hell are you bothering us?
proms: make what you ordered and how you ordered
sailors: we did not order this. we ordered normal ships
proms: here is the technical task. What is wrong here?
sailors: it’s not like that: they missed the speed, weapons do not shoot or miss
prom: so you yourself said what weapons you need. What they said - and set
sailors: what the hell did they do if they knew it wasn’t working?
promises: in the terms of reference it is said to put this - that and put
sailors: and tell me, how much did you saw during the construction of the ships?
proms: less than you saw on repairs

further in the next post

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Denis_469

Today, perhaps, I am the only one in the country who remains competent in the matter.

Are you the case growth is not 1m 51cm?
Not!?
And where did you get the Napoleon complex from then?

[Denis_469]

sailors: do you know that we won’t see ships from Komsomolsk-on-Amur at all, since the local workers ’leadership is pushing them so that they don’t interfere with the development of money?
proms: someone would talk about cuts and kickbacks. Here are just 1 commander of 1 ship, only when repairing a radio operator’s workplace, sawed 300 thousand rubles, when a new radio operator’s position costs only 40 thousand rubles.
sailors: and tell me - how much money have you already cut on Nakhimov, and how much more?
the highest authorities: you all are sick of your dismantlings. Say that there is something wrong with the ships happened?
sailors: they came out shit.
proms: what the sailors ordered - they got it
Sailors: no move, weapons hit once. The price of space and boats can not detect.
senior management: prom - why all this crap?
promises: according to the original TK, the weapons should have been different, but the sailors said to replace it - we delivered what we ordered ...
sailors: this is not what we ordered
proms: whose signature? So shut up. We continue: we built the ships as ordered. only for the choice of sailors are not responsible. And one more thing: the sailors ordered the ships, but their tactics were not developed. Because there are ships, and no one knows how to use them.
senior management: is this how ships were built without application tactics? Who's guilty?
sailors and proms: amicably point at each other and speak with one voice: we believe that they should develop tactics!

Curtain...

This is a free retelling of communication about the project 20380 watchdogs and their descendants. In the bottom line, it turned out that now in Russia there is not a single person who is able to first design the tactics of his (her) application and design characteristics under the tactics before designing the ship (boat). It seems that I was the last in Russia who can offer submarine projects not from the ceiling, but along with the tactics of their application. This is just a demonstration of what professional sailors and professional defense workers are now.

[Denis_469]

And on boats of project 885 last year (or the year before last) there was also about such a discussion. Since the boats were built in this form, because the Americans have UVP on the boats, that's why we need it. And there are no tactics of combat use for them either. Because of the bookmark and pulled as they could. Since the boats can not replace 949A and too expensive to change them 971 or 671RTM.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Denis_469

Since boats cannot replace 949A

Well why

Stealth - Higher
Detection tools - more modern
Armament - Baton was not standing nearby
B / C - huge
Caliber

[Denis_469]

The armament of the 885 sucks. Impact power "Onyx" from 1/3 to 1/4 of the combat power of "Granit-M" and approximately 1/5 of the "Car". That is, to achieve the same destructive effect of missile hits instead of 1 "Granit" anti-ship missile system, you need to hit the target with 3-4 "Onyxes". The cost of destroying the target with "Onyxes" is 3 times more than if the target is drowned with "Granites". Torpedo armament is extremely weak. I personally have never been to 885, and I do not know what torpedo armament is there, but initially only 533-mm was planned. Then they wanted to put 650 mm, but there was no information about what they did. And the combat power of 533-mm torpedoes is extremely weak. The Kalibr anti-ship missile system is just about chasing boats or patrol boats.
Just to understand: there are 949 Granit-Ms on 24A. To replace the boats in a 1: 1 ratio, the boats of Project 885 need to have: 24x4 = 96 Onyx anti-ship missiles. Now there are only 885 Onyx anti-ship missiles on the 32, therefore, for an equivalent replacement of 1 boat of Project 949A, 3 boats of Project 885 need to be built. In terms of torpedo armament, the 885 cannot replace 949A at all, since it does not have (according to the project) 650-mm torpedoes. The only advantages of the 885 in relation to the 949A are increased stealth and the presence of anti-torpedoes. It has no more than 885 advantages over 949A.

[Dog of war]

What interesting arguments, I just can't resist facepalm. Where does the data for 1/3, 1/4 come from, do not share the grass? "Car" in general, the project has not been implemented. No ship of 3-4 anti-ship missiles will survive in life, although how do you know, you mean Sheffield, which sank to the bottom from an unbroken exoskeet, which is more than 3 times lighter than onyx, and have never heard of it. And about the weakness of 533mm torpedoes, you probably sang a bird, it's a pity that Belgarno didn't know about it, so he had to go to the bottom with a nose torn off along the first turret of the main battery from some 533mm torpedo, moreover, outdated. And here you load KR in UKSK http://s4.uploads.ru/u1z4p.jpg, obviously "caliber only for boats to chase". Further, as a matter of fact, there is no point in commenting on this nonsense, because the basis for further "analysis" is the first sentences, in a word - IksperD.

[Dog of war]

How many emotions, but zero facts. Well, continue to aggro further, I will not interfere, dear Xperd.

[Dog of war]

What a high-profile statement, but still no facts. Agitate more, maybe you’ll earn money on a ban)) It seems you haven’t realized yet that the survival of dry cargo vessels and other transports after hitting the ancient mammoths of torpedoes with a contact fuse is not a reason to increase the caliber of torpedoes exponentially.

[Denis_469]

Well, maybe I'll earn a ban. And our professional submariners will earn a funeral, which their relatives will receive. And precisely for their exceptional professionalism. And to be honest, I don’t feel sorry for them. Because like attracts like. And I don’t feel sorry for those who serve there. Because I myself had to quit the military factory because I did not want to steal. And there only thieves can serve and earn in the defense industry. There are no righteous people. Almost everyone steals there. Those who do not steal there do not remain in that system. And it's not about contact fuses, but about non-contact ones. They already appeared in World War I. The link where to read the facts I brought. You don’t see - well, drink another glass of alcohol - you will see, maybe at the bottom of the glass.

[Dog of war]

Interestingly, they started for health (about Yasen, anti-ship missiles and 533mm torpedoes), and finished for repose (All shit, I’m smart in a white coat and I’m beautiful).

[Starina_hank]

In fact, a new building, like a ship from repair, is not accepted solely by the commander, but by a commission chaired by some admiral (if a boat, then a "colonel"), plus a dozen and a half of PZ officers, "bulls", in my opinion also flagship specialists. Therefore, the accepted bullshit pops up in a maximum of half a year, and automatically leads to a specific trial, and the plant receives complaints and fines. Buying a commander's signature makes no sense! Deza!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Starina_Hank

Buying a commander’s signature makes no sense! Desa!

Not in the church - they will not be deceived! (C)
Twice had to participate in the reception of the new building. Denis! Without the signature of the COMMANDER - not one Acceptance Act is valid. Not one Predgos will put his signature without the signature of the COMMANDER.
I think it will be useful for you to know this for the future.
Why am I writing this? Yes, because I have reliable information that the pros are trying to get the signature of principled commanders under letters of guarantee and other benefits.
Sincerely.

[star_shina]

And who are the judges? ... Not a single sane commander will give up a sensible officer from the ship by hook or by crook. So there are flags and states "promising officers with a heightened sense of self-awareness for the assigned task"

[677]

It’s not a very happy picture. If you recall that the Soviet Union built more than all the other countries combined, and then, under the guidance of all the famous people, they began to cut them into needles, and the mattress mattresses also threw them a lot of money on it.

[beldiver]

I don’t know what weapons they will fight in the 3rd World War, but in the 4th World War they will fight with sticks and stones. Einstein

[NEXUS]

Quote: Victorio

and who knows what human capabilities are possible, this crap territory will be this very realization of his capabilities

you ask the Chernobyl liquidators if there is a sale there or not. And the explosion of the reactor is a bunch of clappers compared to thermonuclear weapons. And the residual actions will be hundreds of times more deadly.

[Dog of war]

You probably don’t know, but a nuclear bomb is much cleaner than an accident at a nuclear power plant because most of the material has time to react otherwise there would be no fusion reaction.

[albanian]

Then the guys who came to register the background after testing the same kuzkin’s mother were probably surprised) After a few days, after a clean thermonuclear explosion, you are unlikely to even register the background, of course if it was airy, the ground course is much dirtier, but after another day ( depending on the proximity to the epicenter), you can leave the infected area in a gauze bandage and tight clothes, with virtually no consequences.
And in the third world from artillery the people will die hundreds and hundreds of times more than from the Syas.
As for comparisons of fleets, it makes no sense for a sea power to have a weak fleet - death is similar.
What about China, its quantity is of no use if it is not properly armed. In the days of the USSR, only heavy weapons were enough to form more divisions than all NATO countries could provide with automatic weapons ...
Roughly speaking, when the first few million trained soldiers will safely die, what will the reservists go to war with? With guns and pitchforks against artillery and tanks? For example, China has no reserves of artillery and heavy equipment.
Not a single country (as far as I know) has reserves of the state reserve in case of global thermonuclear war, but we have. And as I said once, there are far from stone axes)
In general, before shouting that after a nuclear war, all kirdyk is enough to familiarize yourself with the measurements and results of nuclear tests on the same site of Rosatom, most adequate people will no longer need such cries.

[Hitrovan07]

I was always amazed how people can live peacefully on "such small Japanese islands" in places called Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
You spread interesting info.

[new communist]

I completely agree with you about the consequences of the radioactive, I disagree about China, there are a lot of bomb shelters in China, and it doesn’t make much sense in nuclear weapons, according to the amers, Russia will do all the dirty work for it, but I recommend it for the 3rd world (http: //rollm.livejournal.com/) is an extremely wise thing and true.

[sevtrash]

If you speculate, then - in the "world of SSBNs" it was reported that Soviet SSBNs went to sea 4-5 times less often than American ones. In terms of numbers, if the French from 4 SSBNs keep 3 at sea, and the British from 4 - 2, then the Americans, perhaps, can also keep 75-80% of the boats on the base at sea. Out of 14 - 10 pieces? Recalculation for Soviet / Russian will be 3-4? But this is probably optimistic. Next - will the boat be allowed to launch on duty? The capabilities of the Americans to detect and escort Russian SSBNs are clearly higher, except for nuclear submarines / robots, destroyers and aircraft from the nearest bases can be attracted. Well, let 2 SSBNs be hit on both sides, as a result the ratio is 8-2 / 1 in favor of the United States.
Now why didn’t the Americans try to launch from the surface. They probably think that they are not combat ready at the base, since there is maintenance, repair, testing, etc. - It makes no sense, especially since most of the submarines are at sea. But, probably, the situation is similar with Russian SSBNs, they are also not combat-ready at the base. SSBN should undergo maintenance, repair, the reactor is most likely shut off, part of the crew on the shore. If we assume that 3-4 boats are at sea, then 7-8 are at the bases, so how many of them can launch and for how long. Obviously not all. In addition, they are the target at bases with a known location and which can be obtained by anti-ship missiles not only from nuclear submarines, but also from ships, aircraft, and bases in Norway and Japan. This is not counting the possibilities of hitting subversive groups, pre-mortgaged mines, torpedoes, etc.
As a result, the effectiveness of American SSBNs is much higher. However, even if one Russian SSBN is "discharged" it will already be unacceptable damage to a potential enemy. But this is if at least one remains. And we must fight for this.

[Denis_469]

I will reveal a few small secrets:
1 - the USSR and now Russia have a different tactic for the use of strategists. They don’t have to be at sea to shoot. They can also from bases from the surface.
2 - all combat-ready boats usually stand in bases with loaded ammunition. Until recently, they were docked with ammunition. Until one professional submariner burned his boat in Roslyaki with the help of the same experienced professionals. If we now have 11 combat-ready strategists, then there are no missiles for the pair that entered service this year. Therefore, they can be considered empty. The remaining 9 boats stand with missiles and are capable of discharging on the first whistle. So the question will be given - will not be given is not worth it at all. If you think that 4 is at sea and 8 is base, and all with ammunition, then all 12 will be shot.
3 - KBN is interesting only in wartime, since in peacetime it is not so important to knock out the motor resources of boats. As long as there is no threat of war, normal people save motor resources. This is all Anglo-Americans with missiles only with underwater launch are required to keep them at sea so that they can shoot back if that. By the way, it’s also impossible to say about French boats that they can shoot from an above-water position, since there were no such shootings either. Because everything that can shoot only from under the water must be there as long as possible. And at the same time, knocking out motor resources and pulling money from the country's budget, since a BS costs more to the state than the duty at the base in readiness for launch.

And pre-laid mines, torpedoes are fantastic. NATO surface ships are unlikely to be able to operate north of the Faroe line during the war.

[albanian]

Only once in the entire history of the submarine shot off the entire ammunition, this is a very difficult operation, far from the fact that all boats will be able to fulfill it ...
And as to the fact that Amers need to be in certain places, it seems to me that this was done more for ease of orientation in the underwater position, since at a depth of 200 meters there is no usual communication and the possibility of adjustments, and a surfacing for an attack, you can always clarify your location by zhps ( which by that time they won’t be able to bring down purely physically), and there are a lot of opportunities for precise geographic location, I hardly believe that the Americans did not bother with this issue.
But I was not much interested in topographic reference systems, if you share a link to a trustworthy resource, I will be grateful.

[Denis_469]

Information about the Trident combat use scheme was published back in the days of the USSR, like. Now I have not seen her anywhere. Dig up the magazine "Marine Collection" for the 1980s - 1990s. There was somewhere a complete description of the Trident II missile firing algorithm.

[sevtrash]

Quote: Denis_469

the USSR and now Russia have a different tactic for the use of strategists. They don’t have to be at sea to shoot. They can also from bases from the surface.

If this is the case, then, of course, the Americans cannot help but react and create a plan / conditions for the destruction of SSBNs at the base. And, of course, it will include all possible components, because the rate is great. Recruiting agents is a classic, there is a weak link at any time. And the charge can be installed anywhere, even in the submarine itself, it can be very small, but in a critical place. Let Virginia appear now, but even before the Americans could land groups on the coast, and if you look at how the coast near Gadzhievo looks like, you can put more than one anti-ship missile on "watch", although there is a little more than 100 km to Norway. Recently there was an article here about an American robot for tuna, and how many unknown, but existing. Drones in the air are no longer news, it is unlikely that the Americans missed the underwater component.

[voyaka uh]

Boats standing at the bases are likely to be shot in the RJP.
That is, they seem to be equated in vulnerability with ICBMs in mines.
Submarine trump card disappears - surprise volley from
unknown point.
Strategic trump card of Russian nuclear submarines - shooting from under
ice of the arctic ocean. From there, it’s very close to the United States and
the trajectory is very flat and heavy to intercept any missile defense.
In theory, American torpedo boats (interceptors) should
grazing constantly in the Arctic is the most dangerous region for America.

[Dog of war]

I don’t know how the nuclear submarines, but you won’t look at the Arctic exercises of the US Navy Ice Exercise 2014 without tears.

[Kir]

So they not only graze in their households, but also swim into our waters by purely misunderstanding, look for materials on these incidents.

[Diviz]

the number must be increased submarines. need to increase. more surprised losharik with a depth of immersion of 6 km. it can be sent to some kind of fault in the earth’s crust and shy, and then the cataclysm will not seem enough.

[sergei loginov]

Compare the performance characteristics of the nuclear submarine is an ungrateful lesson, believe I studied with
Dollezhal, all nuclear submarine reactors are the brainchild of his design bureau, there are friends who
closely engaged in boats, all TTX boats only knows
leadership KB-boats, KB-missiles, KB-torpedoes, KB all kinds of stations and
systems. Doge on a slipway on the nose Boreev cover, probably to nose
did not get cold.

[Ml555]

Thanks for the good stuff!

[opus]

Quote: Author

Carriers of intercontinental ballistic missiles underwater, the basis of Russia's "nuclear triad".

?
How is it?

1.
- Russian Strategic Missile Forces: total carriers 311, total used charges 1178/ 11 locations, or 12
+ arsenal of tactical / operational tactical nuclear weapons up to 2000 nuclear weapons
- Marine strategic forces of the Russian Federation, total carriers (nuclear submarines) 8-TOTAL THAT !!!,total SLBM (ICBM) 128, total warheads 512/5 naval bases
+500 naval nuclear warheads at the SLCM equipment bases of ships and submarines, as well as anti-submarine weapons.
-Strategic aviation, 48 and 544, respectively. / 3 airbases
Conclusion: The naval strategic forces of the Russian Federation, not as a "base", but the weakest component of the Russian strategic nuclear forces
2. The reduction in the number of nuclear weapons in Russia continues at a rate of about 6% for six months.
From 2005 to 2008 disposed of 337 ICBM / SLBM and 119 PU
As a rule, Strategic Missile Forces 1PU = 1 ICBM

337-119 = 218 SLBMs?
? no?
3. Russia's strategic missile forces have been updated by a third, and by the end of 2020, the Strategic Missile Forces will be updated FULLY.
and nuclear submarines with ICBMs?
Practical results of the implementation of the federal target program for the year (2008)
Disposed of 79 land-based and sea-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) 23 soil mobile launchers (GMPU) for ICBM RS-12M, one railway mobile launcher for RS-22 railway, 11 nuclear submarines (nuclear submarines), 3 floating tanks; dismantled and eliminated the equipment of five silo launchers of the RS-18 type ICBM complex; utilized more than 200,0 tons of special rocket fuel, over 44,4 thousand units. small arms, 111,0 thousand units ammunition, 52,055 million pcs. small arms cartridges.
Simple calculation 79-23-1 (RS-22) =55 SLBM

[capitosha1rang]

No comparison?
And why is it, a comparison, necessary? And who needs it?
Sailors of Russia?
To the commanders of "Varyag" and "Koreyets", Marinesko or to Captain Markov, the one that led the icebreaker "Krasin" from Provideniya Bay to Murmansk during the most difficult months of the Great Patriotic War?
With whom can I compare Nikolai Filchenkov or Caesar Kunikov?
Give us a modern fleet, and we ourselves will find with whom to compete - to catch up!

[gryaznov.igor.]

if there is a nuclear war then everyone will be khan

[Dezinto]

Nuclear submarines with cruise missiles (SSGN) - 4 units. Were converted from SSBNs of the Ohio type. On board every 154 "Tomahawks".

I like how cleverly they came up with ...

[AREOPAG23]

and there wasn’t any comparison! ??

[Dezinto]

Curious infographics ....

[nikoli25]

Quote: new communist

The 3rd world thermonuclear war opens up new possibilities for building our civilization on new principles, first on the principles of questioned fascism, and then on new communism.

please tell me, is this a new spice formula? or what do you smoke there then?

[ARS56]

Quote: Bongo

Quote: vadson

Well, from empty to empty, Oleg, write an article - a comparison of our and American databases

You might be interested in:
World SSBN

http://topwar.ru/37406-mir-plarb-chast-1-ya.html

Thank you!
Articles in this series: SSBN World. Part 1, World SSBNs. Part 2 -
these are articles of an exceptionally high level, which I would like to wish to other authors as well.

[Bongo]

Quote: ARS56

Thank you! Articles from this series: SSBN World. Part 1-I, the World SSBN. Part 2-I is an extremely high-level article, which I would like to wish to other authors as well.

Thank you!

[Dimetrodreamer]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Wick

Where is the comparison?

The time will come and compare the disadvantages of the opportunity on the wreckage of the Pentagon.

NIOFORGENTLY proven lol

[aleks.baa2012]

And what to compare ours swim deeper shoot further and charges are more powerful

[KakoVedi]

A photo in the BDRM section of the "bully" thrown over? To please the eye ?!

[KakoVedi]

And ours fly higher ... And brighter!

[Aleksiy]

The main thing is not how much better and bigger, but whether there is anyone to give an order when the partners climb to Russia, that’s the question.

[Bongo]

Quote: Aleksiy

The main thing is not how much better and bigger, but whether there is anyone to give an order when the partners climb to Russia, that’s the question.

This is for sure, especially considering the fact that those who will have to give orders have children living in the territory of the "partners".

[remy]

those. compared. the USA has 55 multi-purpose boats, and the Russian Federation has 54. only now we use them for coastal defense, and the USA has up to 3 apl for each of 11 aircraft carriers. those. they have a dead submarine fleet of at least 33 Los Angeles-class submarines. the rest is 21 nuclear submarines. of which at least 11 nuclear submarines are in rotation / modernization / repair.
CONCLUSION: the submarine forces of the Russian Navy, consisting of 54 units, are opposed by 10 US Navy submarines, mainly Wolves
- we have FIVE times the advantage, minimum.
- plus our fleet operates under the guise of our Air Force and Air Defense, and the underwater situation control system i.e. Six-fold superiority.

[remy]

out of 10 Wolves, at least 3 for repair, i.e. on duty only 7.
so we still have a minimum of 2 echelons of anti-submarine defense with an active search width of 40 km.
A submarine can pass such a line, but somewhere in 2-3 hours.
but there’s already a vicious circle; this is the ice age of the Russian Navy Antisubmarine Aviation.
conclusion: US Navy submarines do not stick their nose into our waters!
because on the second echelon of the PLO, our submarines and diesel-electric submarines are waiting for them. I'm not writing about the BPLK and MPLK.