Ka-52K without Mistral

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Prospects Ka-52K without "Mistral"
or palubniki without DVKD ...

Talk about creating a naval modification of the Ka-52 "Alligator" began in the period immediately preceding the signing of the contract for the construction in France of landing-helicopter ships-docks (DVKD) of the type Mistral for the Russian Navy.

At this time, Arsenievskaya aviation Progress has already produced serial Ka-52 combat vehicles, which were undergoing military test operations at the 344th Combat Use and Retraining Center for Army Aviation in Torzhok, as well as in the third helicopter squadron of the 575th Second-Class Air Base in Chernihiv . The Ka-52 helicopters, designed primarily for ground-based missions, also had a corresponding integrated airborne complex, including the Arbalet-52 radar station and the gyrostabilized optoelectronic station GOES-451 - which makes it possible to detect targets at long range and use controlled by them weapon.

In 2008, General Designer of Design Bureau “Kamov” Sergey Viktorovich Mikheev, to my question regarding the development of “naval»Topics, literally answered the following (I quote the full version):

- The fleet theme will certainly evolve. It just so happened that over the past 20 years we did not help the fleet with anything - not because we didn’t want it, we just reduced funding. On the eve of the 90s, we have fully completed the re-equipment of the Ka-27 helicopter. But today we see a reassessment of our behavior in the waters of the oceans. The question of our presence is raised again, this task is familiar to us, we all passed through these problems in 70-80's. But today, the fleet is becoming different - a new generation, lower displacement, greater tension of ships, high speeds of movement. This requires a completely new approach. The helicopter will remain a necessary accessory of the combat ship, but it should be designed taking into account all the current circumstances. I think the next ship helicopter will be within 10 tons. At Ka-27 we already had 12,5 tons, a new car will return to the class of the Ka-25 helicopter, which weighed 7,2 tons. In terms of the tasks performed, the new machine will surpass the Ka-25. This is the development of a combat complex, means of electronic equipment. The machine will become more multi-purpose. In previous years, the main task of the ship's helicopter was the fight against submarines, but today the development of technology leads to the fact that the helicopter can perform other combat missions. With ship helicopters, everything is developing quite interestingly: today there is not a single combat mission in the fleet in which the helicopter is not used as a technological link. Helicopter target designator, rescue helicopter, fighting machine, delivering a fire strike.

Here it should be noted that the interview was intended for a closed, departmental publication, which implied a high degree of openness of the respondent.

From the general’s response it came out that three years before the signing of the contract for the construction of the DVKD, the helicopter developer for the new decker had only a general idea, not tied to a specific type of machine.

The first talk about creating a deck version of the ground Ka-52 began on the sidelines of the military-industrial complex in 2010.
In June 2011 of the year, a contract was signed for the construction of two DVKDs, and in October of 2011 of the year in the Barents Sea, Kamovians conducted flight technical tests aimed at establishing the capabilities of the Ka-52 helicopter based on a warship. During these tests, the Ka-52 made the landing and take-off from the helipad of the large anti-submarine ship Vice Admiral Kulakov. Subsequently, the Ka-52 made landing and take-off from the Mistral DVKD during the stay of the ship in St. Petersburg at the naval cabin.

In 2011, the developer determined the preliminary appearance of the ship version of the helicopter, which received the name Ka-52K (ship). The main differences from the land version consisted in the presence of folding blades and wings, inflatable ballonet in case of an emergency landing on water, as well as a modernized air conditioning system, adapted for use in marine environments. Later, the developer spoke about the intention to put on the ship version of the helicopter automatic landing system. Already in the process of building a helicopter, the installation location of the filling neck was changed.

Ka-52K without Mistral
Ka-52 in the final assembly shop of the airline "Progress". Photo author


In 2011, the design documentation for Ka-52K began to arrive at Progress, and the company began to prepare for the production of these machines. Initially, it was assumed that five serial helicopters would be ready by the end of 2014, by the time of the arrival of the first DVKD in Russia.

In 2013, the first fuselage of the Ka-52K came out from the main stock at Progress, which entered the final assembly shop. The company's management has repeatedly stated that the Ka-52K will go to state trials back in 2014, however, for various reasons, until the end of 2014, not one Ka-52K was up in the air during Progress. One of the reasons voiced by helicopter builders is not for the public, was the ambiguity of the final appearance of the ship machine, because of which the developer constantly demanded that the manufacturer make the newly adopted design changes, which made it difficult to bring the helicopter to the flight dates.

In October, the Ka-2013 helicopter (serial No. 52-01) crashed in Moscow as a result of the destruction of the thrust rotor. It is known that on that day the helicopter was flying as part of testing the air conditioning system (ACS), which is supposed to be installed not only on the marine version of the helicopter, but also on all the other machines of the Ka-03 type (it was decided to create a new ACR, one for the ground and marine machines). Later in the media, it was stated that the new hard currency successfully passed state tests.

At the end of 2013 of the year, during a visit to Progress Airlines, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that the state had signed a contract for the construction of X-NUMX Ka-32K helicopters with Progress, which are supposed to arm an aviation group based on Vladivostok and Sevastopol ".

The prospects for the Ka-52K, used with the DVKD, are as follows: this is a combat attack helicopter, the main task of which is to provide fire support to the operations of the sea landing when capturing the coastal strip. In the framework of this combat application, the Ka-52K is capable of reconnaissance and destruction of enemy armored, mobile and stationary coastal targets, primarily mobile anti-ship missile systems, anti-aircraft missile systems, Tanks and enemy artillery - at the range of ATGM "Whirlwind", "Assault" or "Attack". It is expected that the Ka-29TB transport and landing helicopters capable of carrying out the tasks of transporting personnel will also be part of the DVKD aviation group. The numerical strength of the air group on one DVKD was also called - 8 Ka-52K helicopters and 8 Ka-29TB helicopters.

Based on the stated flight range, the Ka-52K shock will be able to inflict fire damage on the enemy, ashore, beyond the range of the coastal anti-ship missile systems, which will provide the necessary combat stability to the amphibious assault immediately before the landing.

On the actions of the same sea targets need to be said. It is assumed that the Ka-52K helicopters will be able to use the main anti-ship weapon of the helicopters - the X-35 RCC, which is the standard weapon for the Ka-27 and Ka-28 helicopters and capable of hitting ships and vessels with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons.


CRP X-35 in flight. Photos from http://www.newsru.com


The X-35 rocket in the “helicopter” version has a weight of 610 kg, which corresponds to the permissible load on the internal pylons of the Ka-52 helicopters. Based on the allowed maximum load, the Ka-52K helicopter is able to carry at least two such missiles, and accordingly - to hit targets at a distance of up to 260 km. In this case, the Ka-52K impact capabilities will be determined not only by the presence of the anti-ship missile on board, but also by the integrated means of covering the situation - Ka-31 AEW helicopters or the currently available naval reconnaissance and targeting systems. This use of the Ka-52K will significantly enhance the "anti-ship" capabilities of DVKD.

The system "Helicopter - DVKD" seems to be clear and understandable. The place Ka-52K in it is defined quite worthy and meaningful. The situation would look completely different if, nevertheless, France, as it is now declaring (December 2014), does not give Russia the constructed ships.

Will Ka-52K have a place in the weapons system of the Russian Navy?

I answer immediately - there is!

Initially, the DVKD were focused on the Pacific region, where Russia has unresolved territorial disputes with Japan, as well as the Arctic, the importance of which everyone understands today. In the design of DVKD, intended for Russia, even structural changes were introduced concerning the reinforcement of the hull in order to give the ship the ability to navigate in ice conditions of northern latitudes. Two DVKD ("Vladivostok" and "Sevastopol") were focused, primarily, to ensure control over the islands of the Kuril ridge - which are the stumbling block in the Russian-Japanese political dialogue. The four large amphibious ships available on the Pacific Fleet (Oslyabya, Peresvet, Nikolai Vilkov and Admiral Nevelskoy) are very worn out and, as a result, are not fully capable of maneuvering the fleet amphibious units in the Kuriles. To be more precise, due to the small number and wear of cash, the BDK, the 155 Brigade and the 3 B regiment of the Pacific Fleet marines have limited opportunities for operational maneuver. It is not by chance that in this connection, military training on the transfer of troops to the islands is constantly being held not only with the help of the BDK, but also with the help of aviation (including civilian), as well as civil courts. It is clear that the Kuril ridge delimits the exclusive economic zone of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk (recognized by the international community at the beginning of 2014 of the year) and, consequently. represents an object of increased interest - both our and Japanese (with whom we do not have a peace treaty). But the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is a shelf, it is a fish, it is a huge resource potential. From all this it follows that the Kuriles at all costs should remain ours. And the presence of two DVKD capable of carrying up to the battalion of marines, radically changed the balance of power in the region. Especially if there is an air group aboard these DVKDs that can not only "work along the coast" but also know how to deal with enemy ships (X-35 missiles).

And now we have learned that the DVKD will not come to the Pacific Fleet. Shortly before the official ceremony of transferring the Vladivostok DVKD to the Russian navy, due to the changed geopolitical realities, Vladivostok received a new place of registration (or, if you like, “port of registry”) - the Russian city of Sevastopol. In this article I will not talk about the military significance of Sevastopol - this is clear to everyone without me. We just admit that in the existing situation “Vladivostok” is more necessary there. Together with the aviation group, which, by the way, uses the ship as a place of temporary shelter, having the main base on the coast.

In Soviet times, when there were two handsome aircraft carriers on the Pacific Fleet - “Minsk” and “Novorossiysk”, the 311 th separate naval assault aviation regiment, armed with vertical takeoff and landing Yak-38 aircraft, was based at the aerodrome Pristan, under Romanovka. In Novonezhino based 710 th separate naval anti-submarine helicopter regiment, which was armed with Ka-25, Ka-27 helicopters and their modifications. These regiments "lived" on the "ground", and on the ships their "flying representatives" turned out to be only for the time the ship fulfilled the tasks of combat service. So under the DVKD in Primorye, a separate naval helicopter regiment was to be formed, where Ka-52K and Ka-29TB helicopters were to enter. Today, obviously, we can only talk about this in the plane of fantasy.

And Hollande said the impossibility of transferring to Russia the Vladivostok internal command and control center built in St. Nazaire.

What do we have in the end? But in the end, the Vladivostok crew is preparing to go home, economists consider the damage, lawyers are preparing claims, and the first Ka-52K with the serial number 01-01 is preparing for transmission to flight tests at this time. Whatever it was, Kamov intend to bring the helicopter to the letter “O”, recommending it for adoption.

So, Ka-52K without DVKD.

In a situation where there is no DVKD, the sea Ka-52K does not lose the combat capabilities inherent in it. In the same Pacific region, he will adequately be able to serve on the same Kuril Islands, providing the grouping of the Russian troops with its shock capabilities. Yes, he remains an excellent attack aircraft capable of working on ground targets, but he is also able to work on surface targets with the help of X-35 anti-ship missiles, moving firing lines off enemy ships further from the coast. The military operation of the Ka-52 helicopters showed its ability to operate for a long time apart from the main bases, which means that, for example, having the Burevestnik airfield as the main base, the Ka-52K units or pairs can be dispersed throughout the Kuril Islands, and calmly fly over the sea, annoying the Japanese "neighbors" with their presence.

Also, nothing prevents the use of the Ka-52K from warships with helicopter pads, for example, from the same Pacific anti-submarine "admirals" of the 1155 Ave., which do not have a "long anti-ship hand" as part of their weapons.

So, the Ka-52K project is completely relevant even without the French DVKD. And besides, today in the depths of the developer, another ship version of the "Alligator" is being born. The new helicopter, which is based on the Ka-52K, will not have strike weapons. He will be deprived of even an automatic gun. This will be a long-range radar helicopter. Fixed headlights (as opposed to the Ka-31 helicopter mobile antenna) will be installed on the sides of the hull, as well as in front and behind, which, together with a five-kilometer ceiling, will allow the new helicopter to illuminate the surface situation at a distance of more than 290 kilometers. And this, in turn, will make it possible to give the ship groups of the Russian Navy even greater combat stability.
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  1. +5
    12 December 2014 07: 16
    It seems that the Katran was originally developed not only for the Mistral, but also for other ships of the Russian Navy.
    And, besides, today in the bowels of the developer another ship version of the Alligator is born. The new helicopter, which is based on the Ka-52K, will not have strike weapons. He will be deprived even of an automatic gun. It will be a long-range radar helicopter. On the sides of the hull, as well as front and rear, fixed HEADLIGHTS will be installed (unlike the mobile antenna of the Ka-31 helicopter),

    Apparently we are talking about plans to install on the Ka-52K a simplified version of the radar with an active phased array Zhuk-AE.
    1. +10
      12 December 2014 10: 25
      Not. Zhuk-AE is actually a corpse, there they have already invented a new AFAR and assemble it, better than Zhuk-AE for which 0 orders are by the way.

      It's about 2 canvas placement of antennas and that’s it.

      For example, an aircraft AWACS with the 2 paintings on the sides.
      1. +1
        12 December 2014 12: 42
        Ponyatno.Spasibo.Budem wait to see.Possibly on the Mistral. wassat
        I think one, the Franks will accurately convey - "ice" which.bully
        1. +2
          12 December 2014 16: 03
          Hairy Siberian

          I think one, the Franks will accurately convey - "ice" which


          Is Sevastopol a southern chtol? wink
          1. +1
            12 December 2014 16: 11
            Quote: Rustam
            Is Sevastopol a southern chtol?

            No - reprehensibly polite. smile
  2. +12
    12 December 2014 07: 45
    By and large, for the implementation of the Naval Ka-52K program, it doesn't matter whether the Mistrals will be handed over to us or not. In case of urgent need, our shipbuilding industry will build the necessary ships itself, while helicopters will still be useful on the shore.
    1. +4
      12 December 2014 09: 10
      I agree with you, you also need to squeeze the grandmother back to build 1.2 billion euros on the road do not lie
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  3. +7
    12 December 2014 08: 42
    Initially, the "connection" to the Mistrals was simply iron. But then the tone of the conversations changed, and Mikheev already admitted the idea of ​​using the Ka-52K on any ship with a helipad, for which the development of helicopter maintenance systems was a separate topic.
  4. +5
    12 December 2014 08: 44
    By the way, we held a competition for the name of the helicopter, and as a result the name "Katran" appeared. Mikheev even approved this name, and the winner of the competition even received a prize, but then an order appeared in Russian Helicopters prohibiting the use of this name together with the Ka-52, like there is no special order for this yet ...
  5. +5
    12 December 2014 09: 04
    links or pairs of Ka-52K can be dispersed throughout the islands of the Kuril ridge, and fly quietly over the sea, annoying the Japanese "neighbors" with their presence.
    Russian attack helicopters based on the disputed islands. What a fat trolling :-)
  6. +13
    12 December 2014 09: 05
    The Ka-52 landed and took off with the Mistral DVKD during the ship's stay in St. Petersburg at the naval cabin.


    made landing and take-off from the helipad of the large anti-submarine ship Vice Admiral Kulakov.
  7. +9
    12 December 2014 09: 08
    ... and therefore. It is an object of increased interest - both ours and Japanese (with whom we do not have a peace treaty). But the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is a shelf, it is a fish, it has huge resource opportunities. From all that has been said, it follows that the Kuril Islands must remain ours at all costs.

    The only reason for Japan’s claims to the Kuril Islands is the desire of the United States to overcome the straits that provide Pacific Fleet access to the Pacific Ocean. There is no other reason and never has been.
    1. 0
      12 December 2014 09: 45
      The main strike forces of the Pacific Fleet are in Vilyuchinsk. And that which is part of the Primorsky Flotilla is, by and large, IWR, which there is no great need to go to the straits.
    2. +10
      12 December 2014 10: 38
      Another reason is that the islands are rich in minerals, rare metals, oil and gas. For example, Iturup has the world's richest deposit of rare rhenium metal. Therefore, returning the islands of Japan to death is similar.
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    4. 0
      1 June 2015 21: 00
      Quote: tehnoluks
      The only reason Japan claims for the Kuril Islands is the U.S. desire to squeeze the straits,

      In the first place, among the needs is the economy. Specifically - fish. A fish bank near these islands. Which in the oceans - a little, at all.
  8. +1
    12 December 2014 09: 46
    And every freshly baked lieutenant knows how to unlock the straits ...
  9. +4
    12 December 2014 09: 48
    As for the use of Ka-52 on board any ship. It will not happen. In the main, there are not attack aircraft needed, but anti-submarine helicopters. Ka-52 can be used with meaning only from the deck of the landing ship. And intellectually, one should concentrate on the military option and saturate the helicopter regiments with it
    1. 0
      18 December 2014 21: 21
      Quote: qwert
      As for the use of Ka-52 on board any ship. It will not happen. In the main, there are not attack aircraft needed, but anti-submarine helicopters. Ka-52 can be used with meaning only from the deck of the landing ship. And intellectually, one should concentrate on the military option and saturate the helicopter regiments with it

      I agree, but an attack helicopter can also help a lot, so you should design middle-class ships with two helicopter hangars, one for the Ka-52K, and the other for the Ka-27.
  10. +2
    12 December 2014 10: 12
    Ka-52 (land) annually goes into service with one of the army aviation regiments. Currently, they are in the BBO (575 and 573 airbases), SEO (393 airbases) and ZVO (15th AA brigade and 344 bppls center). This year, most likely, some of the cars will go to the Central Military District.
  11. +3
    12 December 2014 14: 24
    It seems to me that the Ka-52K would also come in handy on the Admiral Kuznetsov.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +5
      12 December 2014 15: 08
      Quote: Watchman
      It seems to me that the Ka-52K would also come in handy on the Admiral Kuznetsov.


      Let me curiosity .. and with what?

      The usual "PR article2 with wishlist and wishlist .. very, very far from reality.
      AUTHOR MINUS! soldier
      Even with the attack they didn’t decide anything, except for entering the ILE .. and already the Whirlwind and ... PECR X-35 wassat

      Or 7 years ago, to "tie" on the MAX on the Ka-27 is already "hurray. Americans give up" tongue
      And even more so with the D-260 km (for the author’s information, this is a ground version, comfortable and elongated) lol
      And what will you give the CU? Crossbow with a range of 60 km? Or ... the main thing is to "pull" ... "to that steppe", and then the rocket itself .. will find it ?.
      And with the X-35V missiles (which are still in the .. project, the author does not want to calculate the tactical radius of the helicopter crying
      Although, if we discard the author's "cunning", then theoretically, if the Ka-31 (which we already have in batches in service) detects a surface target at a distance of 260 km from the mistral or a ship carrying both types of helicopter, well, or a ship group. theoretically, the Ka-52K can try to destroy something there.
      Only now the author again omits the question, and the enemy’s anti-ship missiles at what range fly?
      Will the Ka-52K take off then.
      Next .. by the "support" of the pants (well, in the sense of .. landing) wassat
      The S-8 block weighs exactly the same 630 kg (this is the main weapon, well, understandably. That has no analogues in the world) wassat
      Therefore, to support the 2-block ... again the question ... the author does not want to calculate the tactical range of the helicopter ... so that he can "2 take off, provide support for the landing (by destroying everything and everything) wassat Yes, and go back?
      Now find out how far the RCC of a potential enemy is flying.
      So (to send it seems to be ... not convenient), and so .. to some "kindergarten site" and there ... noodles .. children will gladly accept fellow , although on our site, especially at the extreme time. there are so many of these "children" that ... stay the author .. here the same ... everything "grabbing" soldier
      1. +1
        12 December 2014 16: 09
        vaf (3) RU Today, 15:08 ↑

        although on our site, especially in extreme time. there are so many of these "children" that ... stay the author .. here is the same ... everything "grabbing"




        What kind of people and without security wink and you are at war wink

        Hush hush, why are you here spreading the truth of the womb? It’s so wonderful to do it, and we are stronger than everyone and we have all the best _ unparalleled_

        and we will build Mistral analogues in two counts (after 15 years and five times as much)

        so you finish your White Guard manners wink , until now, even the prototype 52K is not heard even by the spirit, but there is still time.
      2. 0
        12 December 2014 18: 07
        Hello hello! Such a photo has appeared, the color seems to be deserted, is that for Iraq? Or photoshop? Or ... Overhead for export?
        1. +4
          12 December 2014 18: 30
          this is Iraqi with an overhead mount radar of the type H025e, the first 3 delivered without it - this next of the 15 ordered is tested with us before being sent (and the first 3 will also be retrofitted with it)

          and this is not photoshop


          H025 radar - photo (clickable)
          1. +1
            12 December 2014 19: 07
            Thank you Rustam! drinks There was a joke about photoshop! wassat The question is when they will deliver to their army belay , and not for export, and the information about the fact that everything was successfully tested over-the-bus did not slip at all, a lot of things incomprehensible with this photo what . Or train on "cats"? request
            1. +1
              12 December 2014 19: 40
              TSOOBER SU Today, 19:07 PM ↑


              please, well, I wrote in Russian plan, I repeat

              these that in the photo were made last year with the letter E on (GRPZ)
              , (our improved) with a modernized version of NM should come to our army and will probably be installed on UB

              they will not be installed on combat lines with the letter N-radar
      3. 0
        12 December 2014 19: 05
        When you wrote this opus, what were you guided by?
      4. 0
        13 December 2014 00: 17
        I am certainly not an expert, but it seems to me that "Kuznetsov" + a pair of large landing craft = "Mistral", only with airplanes, not just helicopters. After all, Kuznetsov has a far from complete air group.
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  13. +3
    12 December 2014 17: 11
    Hehe, the topic with mistrals ended with cries of "we don't need nafig - we will build our own by 2050 (sorry not by 3000)", but they don't remember about the loot anymore ...
    1. 0
      12 December 2014 18: 33
      I hope they will be delivered to us all the same - it will certainly be a breakthrough and another vision of landing operations

      there the problem is not even with military, but transport-military, although in the current situation (with delivery) this is a mere trifle

  14. +2
    12 December 2014 18: 39
    Sorry no tote!
    Could take bets!
  15. +2
    12 December 2014 21: 07
    The Kamov helicopter design bureau has always attracted my sympathy with its Ka-25 machines ... 52! Franco-Downs with their Mistrals will only force me to find a use for them on the current CD and our promising UDC!
    P / S / A regarding "Mistrals" the absurd-shameful situation is largely addressed to our initiators of the contract - headed by Medvedev, the President of the Russian Federation at that time. Then for some reason he decided that this was an important political breakthrough in relations.
  16. +2
    12 December 2014 22: 31
    With "mistral", without "mistral", the main thing is that there is a ship modification of the KA-52. If a helicopter carrier is needed, we will build our own "wind".