Russian fleet comes to the rescue! (Part one)

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For the Navy! - yell in vests!
For the Navy! It gets empty in flasks!
For the Navy! Andreevsky raise the flag!
For the Navy! We wish you good!


All discussions about the future of the Navy are at the level of hypotheses and assumptions. The lack of objective information affects it: the official press releases say one thing, another is done in fact, but nobody knows how it will actually be. The bulk of experts and marinist authors who present their point of view, initially proceed from false facts regarding the domestic fleet.

The first myth is about the longest sea borders of Russia, giving rise to calls for the construction of a giant fleet. This myth is born of ordinary ignorance of geography. Russia has the longest ice borders in the world. Nothing like the shores of European countries, the United States or China, washed by warm seas, where all the major cities and industrial centers are located on the coast. Russia is a continental power. Land monster, whose fate has never depended on sea communications. The bulk of these "maritime boundaries" - uninhabited coast of the Arctic and the Far East. Where terrible ice and negative average annual temperature protect the coast much more reliable than any fleet!

The second mistake is an attempt to compare the potential of the Russian Navy and its main rival, the US Navy, frantically counting the number of aircraft carriers, cruisers and submarines. The trick is that for successful database maintenance in the North Atlantic, the domestic fleet must be many times superior in composition to the US Navy and the fleets of all NATO countries taken together!



Affects an uncomfortable geographical location. When breaking into the ocean - through the Bosphorus, the Danish Strait and the Faroe Line, our ships are threatened by the whole aviation NATO. In such a situation, the construction of the "ocean fleet", in the image and likeness of the carrier groups of the US Navy, is a waste of money. Four (yes, even all ten) of the domestic aircraft carriers will not even have time to engage in battle with the enemy’s ships, having driven thousands of combat aircraft from all air bases in Europe.

Russian fleet comes to the rescue! (Part one)

The Faroese border is a narrowing in the northern part of the Atlantic between the coast of Great Britain and Greenland. From the west to the east, this “strait” is blocked off by Iceland (a member of the NATO bloc from 1949), the Faroe and Shetland Islands (belong to Denmark and the United Kingdom, respectively). Here, during the Cold War, an impassable line of NATO defense was organized — more than thirty military airfields.

Fall into pessimism and despair? Far from it!

In this situation, the author offers to talk about the needs of the fleet, based on the facts of the actual combat use of the Russian Navy, which took place recently.

"Syrian Express". Regular visits of landing ships of the Russian Navy to Tartus (2012-13).

What was in the holds of domestic BDK - zinc with cartridges, spare parts for aircraft and armored vehicles or "special cargo" in the form of hundreds of "black pea jacks"? This information will not soon lose the "neck". But it is striking how with the Olympic calm, in front of the whole world, our sailors made “business trips” to Syrian Tartus, honestly doing their duty to the Motherland.



An innovative way to use the Navy allowed us to assist our ally without further ado, thereby solving (without loss!) An important task that directly affects Russia's geopolitical interests. Cargo delivery by warships automatically removed the issue with inspection of the holds and any active opposition from the US Sixth Fleet. The safety of the BDK and the contents of its holds was ensured by the St. Andrew’s flag flying in the wind. Not a single commission of observers from the UN and the OSCE would dare to board a warship, thereby amending the principle of extraterritoriality, illegally crossing the "border" of another state!

Yes, not everything turned out to be simple - the Black Sea Fleet did not have enough forces and means to carry out the responsible mission in the area of ​​its direct responsibility. For the formation of convoys had to collect ships from all fleets - from the Baltic, from the North, and even from the Pacific Fleet. Henceforth, our sailors need roomy amphibious transports adapted for the delivery of humanitarian aid and military, including non-standard and large-size cargo, tracked and wheeled vehicles.

This very moment does not take into account in their articles the critics of the decision to acquire the French Mistral, mistakenly calling the helicopter carriers "naval homeless" without any benefit to the domestic fleet.

Questions about Mistral's ice class, as well as jokes about using the UDC in the Arctic, are simply inappropriate! Russian "Mistrali" will operate in the southern seas, in the tropics, off the coast of the next Syria or Venezuela. Where our help is always required.



Amphibious helicopter carrier "Mistral". 21 000 tons full displacement. Huge cruising range. 16 helicopters and cargo deck, designed for 40 wheeled vehicles units or other similar load. The minimum cost among all ships of similar purpose is 1,2 billion euros for both Russian Mistrals (for example, the American UDC of the San Antonio type cost 2 billion dollars for each ship!).

There are opportunities for unloading in any conditions - on an equipped pier, unequipped coast or by air using "turntables". Marine Corps Battalion - with appropriate conditions for the deployment of soldiers and their comfortable stay during the entire march. The simplest self-defense systems are to prevent possible provocations and terrorist attacks. Monumental appearance - the ship must "crush" with its size and appearance.

But the main thing is timing! Helicopter "Vladivostok" built in just a couple of years!

"Syrian Express" - by analogy with the "Tokyo Express", the Japanese tactics during the WWII years, which consisted in the delivery of goods to Guadalcanal using warships. Destroyers coped with the task in one night, while low-speed transports became easy prey for the enemy.

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  1. +7
    3 December 2014 07: 00
    Well, yes, there is something in it - to use these "monsters" as regular supply vessels. Only under the military flag. Unfortunately, many such opinions were expressed in contrast to the opinions about the uselessness of the Mistrals. But you also need to consider other factors. For example, a stronger desire on the part of the enemy to prevent such voyages can lead to the fact that there are a thousand reasons for causing all sorts of obstacles. Here, the flag of the Navy will not save ... That's when we have them, then we need to come up with and justify their use. In the meantime, you just need to wait while the paddling pools flounder on the hook and rub their hands from getting their money back feel
    1. +3
      3 December 2014 09: 28
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Well, yes, there is something in it - to use these "monsters" as regular supply vessels. Only under the military flag.
      Is it not too expensive a pleasure, and isn’t it easier to use the status of the naval flag, simply by raising it on a civilian vessel, turning it into a military transport (based on the same container ship) or, armed with modular systems, an auxiliary cruiser? In the photo one of the Russian auxiliary cruisers that successfully operated on communications during the search of ships during the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905.
      1. +17
        3 December 2014 09: 48
        Quote: Per se.
        Is it too expensive a pleasure

        Mistral, by the standards of modern ships, is worth a penny
        Quote: Per se.
        just lifting it on a civilian ship, turning it into a military vehicle

        No, it will turn out at least not cheaper, but opportunities - an order of magnitude less

        + How to unload a container ship without landing boats - to build a couple more MLP platform for him?

        + where to place the paratroopers and accompanying "special cargo"? On a container ship, premises for a maximum of 30-40 people

        + power supply

        + And where will the helicopters fit? - because a useful thing

        + a set of detection tools (and it is very good at Mistral, I would even say good) and anti-sabotage weapons, satellite and conventional lines


        Medical unit on board the Mistral


        + different hospitals, etc. multifunctionality

        + noble appearance and high board, dimensions inspire

        1. +2
          3 December 2014 10: 35
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          and opportunities -

          I agree!
          But even if they are not handed over - the trouble is not so great, for the 3 lard - the same can be done by ourselves already. True time ...
        2. +1
          3 December 2014 12: 43
          Only now the chopped off nose somehow spoils. But the French in design are always on their minds. What is the glass trunk lid on the Citroen C4 wink
          1. 0
            3 December 2014 21: 09
            This is not a design, this is a design change!
        3. +6
          3 December 2014 13: 35
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          + How to unload a container ship without landing boats - to build a couple more MLP platform for him?
          There is no doubt, if we talk about the "Mistral", in fact, it is more of a universal helicopter military transport than, directly, a combat ship. But, remember Cuba, the "Cuban Missile Crisis", how and where were our transports unloaded, also by landing boats and helicopters? And would we have transferred a lot of cargo to Cuba by warships alone? If we do not talk about a lone ship, with a separate operational mission, but about convoys, then they should also have cover warships, with the same helicopters that can land, if necessary, on the deck of civilian ships. In general, Russia had a "Volunteer Fleet" which had a dual purpose in wartime and peacetime, in the current situation, this experience would be useful to us, like the Soviet experience, of creating a reserve fleet of civilian ships. The photo shows our ships in the direction of Cuba.
          1. +8
            3 December 2014 13: 43
            Quote: Per se.
            But, remember Cuba, the "Cuban missile crisis", how and where were our transports unloaded, also by landing boats and helicopters? And would we have transferred a lot of cargo to Cuba by warships alone?

            The problem is that we have practically no vessels of the required class left under the national flag - all went under the "comfortable" ones. It got to the point that the "Sevmorput" was removed from a severe and prolonged coma.

            The only way to deliver cargo to Syria without any problems is to buy 3-4 dry cargo ships for the Navy, or better - ro-ro. But at the start of the Syrian Express, the timing of such a deal was comparable to the completion of the Mistrals.
            1. jjj
              0
              3 December 2014 23: 31
              Quote: Alexey RA
              or better - ro-ro

              Just about the same and thought
        4. GDP
          +1
          3 December 2014 17: 34
          Using Ural type Mistral for transporting goods is the same as beating cockroaches with cast-iron weights, it is easier to slam a slipper, it is not designed for this at all - it is a classic invasion weapon.
          Have you thought how much fuel he eats?
          And the escort? - This is a big barge without any serious weapons ...
          BDK are much more suitable for these purposes.

          Mistral worth a penny? Do not make me laugh! laughing

          And when is it interesting from the time of the Second World War, we delivered military supplies to the non-equipped coast?

          We have another doctrine - defensive, we don’t need ships like the mistral, we just can’t apply them, if only for the reason that we do not have dominance at sea and never will be. Everywhere NATO bases and their air forces, they cover everything.

          What states are we going to invade? To Ukraine? To Georgia? To France? It’s easier to do this from sushi. We need a fleet for coastal defense, for delivering nuclear strikes from under water, for destroying superior enemy surface forces with a missile strike, and not for capturing enemy territory from the sea.
          1. +5
            3 December 2014 19: 15
            Quote: GDP
            Have you thought how much fuel he eats?

            PMSM, not so much.
            It was made according to commercial standards - there are diesel engines "Vyartsilya", only twice as powerful as on the project 775.
            Quote: GDP
            And the escort? - This is a big barge without any serious weapons ...
            BDK are much more suitable for these purposes.

            Oh-ho-ho ... and what - do we have something other than the ancient AK-775 and two MANPADS on the 725? On our BDK en masse there is no SAM or ZAK. Oh yes, there is a third series with a pair of AK-630 and AK-176 instead of AK-725. But the trouble is that there are only 3 such BDKs, and they are scattered 1 each in the Pacific Fleet, Black Sea Fleet and BF.
            So it’s also scary to release an unaccompanied BDK.
            Quote: GDP
            We need a fleet for coastal defense, for delivering nuclear strikes from under water, for destroying superior enemy surface forces with a missile strike, and not for capturing enemy territory from the sea.

            And for the liberation of their own territory, which is controversial for someone? Or to urgently strengthen the grouping in remote territories in the event of a local aggravation of the situation?
          2. +1
            3 December 2014 21: 28
            "uprising in Odessa" against Banderlog, how to help the insurgent people, only by sea. and you say no application. to show the flag to rotten "brothers" from bulgaria. what if the Japs think, they will get snot, but how to chew on another island without a landing, to continue our Kuril ridge.
            1. 0
              3 December 2014 22: 32
              Quote: core
              "uprising in Odessa" against Banderlog, how to help the insurgent people, only by sea.

              Wait a crystal completely offend Russia. Choose a city more neutral. They used to call him Chernomorsk.
          3. Maximus desimus
            0
            7 December 2014 16: 09
            Mistral is a wholly invasion ship. I wonder what he should do in the Quiet Round, where to invade? And in the Black Sea, perfect. Someone believes the fairy tales of the MO about the Pacific Fleet? I bet that if the Mistral is transferred, it will immediately be sent to the Black Sea
        5. 0
          3 December 2014 22: 28
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          + where to place the paratroopers and accompanying "special cargo"? On a container ship, premises for a maximum of 30-40 people
          It will be funny for you, but somehow you were surprised at the width of the forested area on the steamer. It was whispered in secret that there (between the side and the wall of the hold) there are attachments for hanging bunks for a Marine battalion. The steamer is so-so - 5000 tons. How many lied, I do not presume to estimate. Living conditions are not Mistral. But I think the personnel will have enough health for a couple of days.
        6. +2
          4 December 2014 23: 14
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Mistral, by the standards of modern ships, is worth a penny

          touched ...
          The first will cost the Russian treasury 720 millions of euros, the second - in 650 millions.
          Moreover, such a scanty one, unlike for himself (full stuffing), there he is (for them there is 480mln. Euro



          The container ship "Emma Maersk" is the largest cargo ship in the world, with a displacement of 170 gross tons (holds 794 full 11-foot containers or 000 empty containers), Sho annually winds 170 000 nautical miles (314 000 km) per year. COST 170 000 000 $ (one hundred seventy million green papers)
          Price: 1,23 $ / EUR by the way

          Emma Maersk cargo ship has 13500 TEU (twenty-foot equivalent).
          The average cost of a container ship with a capacity of 4000 TEU is 61 million dollars, 8000 TEU - 116 million dollars.


          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          + noble appearance and high board, dimensions inspire



          The appearance of the ship is a design typical of container ships that are being built at the Odense Steel Shipyard Ltd.
          Lindoe in Denmark, which is part of Odense Steel Shipyard Ltd - This shipbuilding company has developed its own working methods, which are recognized all over the world, this is quality leadership and technological development.

          The creators, during the construction of this transport vessel, set new standards in protecting the environment and safety, as well as economy, which is so important when transporting various goods. These include the system
          exhaust gas recirculation, which allowed to reduce the emission of harmful substances into the atmosphere and, as a result, the power plant capacity increased and fuel consumption decreased. Another innovation was the hull of the vessel treated with a special silicone coating, which led to an unexpected result - due to a decrease in water resistance, fuel costs decreased by 1200 tons per year.


          ================
          I could be wrong, but in my opinion it was built in less than two years.

          Or 2 for 2 years ....
          And yes: helicopters and a hospital can also be based on it (a megalopolis such as Moscow, paratroopers can not only catch our airborne forces, but all the airborne forces of the world)
          1. -1
            5 December 2014 06: 20
            Yet a cargo ship with "military aid" (even under a military flag) is out of the game

            A warship is a completely different attitude
            1. +1
              5 December 2014 11: 41
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Yet a cargo ship with "military aid" (even under a military flag) is out of the game

              1.§ 10. The legal status of civil and military courts
              2.Features of the legal regime of seaports of the Russian Federation, inland sea waters and territorial sea
              3. Strategic mobility of France: ways to ensure it (directives of the department for coordination of transportation of the headquarters of the armed forces, and directly - a multifunctional transportation center)
              4. Japan legislation, incl. The Law “On Self-Defense Forces” provides for the possibility of involving civilian vehicles in the interests of transporting troops of the national armed forces in the event of a state of emergency.
              For transport by sea, ships of the maritime safety management ministry of state lands, infrastructure, transport and tourism, merchant and fishing fleets can be used. In total, there are about 160 large ferries and passenger ships in Japan that can transport up to 100 thousand people, over 12 thousand trucks and 8 thousand cars at the same time.
              5.Falkland Company: 45 Civil Courts
              container ships "Atlantic Conveyor", Atlantic Causeway ","
              Besant, fishing trawlers (as minesweepers)

              6. ARAPAJO project: Aircraft carriers wholesale, cheap for 7 days / Theory and practice of military container ships
              7.etc.
              NOTE: they (container ships) are CHEAPER (mistral) at times, do not stand idle, devour money, but MAKE MONEY / USE

              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              A warship is a completely different attitude

              Of course, that on 100% proved Auxiliary cruisers Kriegsmarine

              What did Tirpitz do? ("Admiral Graf Spee" "Deutschland" somehow)
              And what about Atlantis, Penguin, Comet, Michel, Schiff-5, Shtir, Coronele, Cormoran, Orion, Widder and Thor ... .
              1. 0
                5 December 2014 22: 24
                Quote: opus
                5.Falkland Company: 45 Civil Courts

                Quote: opus
                Auxiliary cruisers Kriegsmarine

                When war is declared openly - everything goes to the course

                But to deliver special cargo to Syria? What noise will rise at the UN
                1. +1
                  6 December 2014 00: 46
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  What noise will rise at the UN

                  What noise was made at the UN?
                  humanitarian aid to the people of Syria
                  precedents?
                  1: Filipino and U.S. troops unload humanitarian aid for victims of a typhoon at Tacloban Airport. 11 November 2013 year

                  2: Humanitarian Aid to Georgia Delivered by US 2008 Aircraft

                  3. US deployed tank troops to the Baltic 2014








                  4. “Hammer” for Poroshenko, 2014


                  and so on.
                  It's only the beginning
                  Ban Ki-moon

                  or Annan Ko "fi ..

                  what x ... difference?
                  MAKE A COUPLE OF PHOTO UNLOADING BOXES WITH STEAM (condensed milk) and diapers. so that is all

                  You would also remember: "what will friend Bill say?" , "and how will friend Kohl look at this?"
      2. -1
        3 December 2014 14: 39
        auxiliary cr. "Ural" ingloriously died in the Tsushima massacre
    2. +6
      3 December 2014 11: 18
      we do not have the flag of the Navy, we only have the Navy
      1. +1
        3 December 2014 13: 05
        Exactly. So far, we have a full-fledged fleet, not strength. So it is and it will be so.
  2. +6
    3 December 2014 07: 07
    "Mistrals" are needed at the moment, we just have nowhere to build ships of the first rank, and they will be built here not for two years, but for five or six years (in a good scenario) ...
    At least at KChF it is necessary to have a couple of pieces for sure, to cover the Mediterranean.
    1. 0
      3 December 2014 12: 11
      Quote: PSih2097
      "Mistrals" are needed at the moment, we just have nowhere to build ships of the first rank, and they will be built here not for two years, but for five or six years (in a good scenario) ...
      At least at KChF it is necessary to have a couple of pieces for sure, to cover the Mediterranean.

      That's it, that at KChF.
      There is nowhere else to keep them, because our other ports freeze (Baltic and Far East) or are far from impact points (SF).
      There are no foreign bases. It is not possible to keep constantly at sea ((this is at the nuclear power plant), in foreign ports it is not desirable (remember 'Varyag')
      And to build ships is where. We are simply a truly continental power. By land all of Eurasia and Africa is ours. And the countries of Latin America will fight the Monroe Doctrine.
      1. +1
        3 December 2014 13: 15
        There is no point in keeping on KSF. There is nowhere for the 2KBF, and there are problems to maneuver. The first at KChF, the second at KTOF.
      2. 0
        3 December 2014 22: 40
        Quote: Vasya
        because the rest of our ports freeze

        Only Murmansk does not really freeze in our country. In 1994, in Novorossiysk, I saw the halves of Meteors, broken by boron before being sent to China. And almost an annual opupeya with ice guiding in the Sea of ​​Azov - watch it, it will start soon, I think. Either I am an incorrigible optimist, or all the talk about the tropical performance of the Mistrals is out of ignorance. Ice-class ships are negligible, and I think there are no ships at all. It is too expensive to carry the ice belt on board - you need a real ice navigation area - the Northern Sea Route, Antarctica. For everything else, there are icebreakers. IMHO, correct the more knowledgeable.
  3. +4
    3 December 2014 07: 34
    I liked the article: a sober look at the development prospects of the Russian Navy. The only comment - the author somehow ignored the Pacific Fleet - and the Far East, given the prospects for cooperation with China, the region is interesting and promising.
    1. +3
      3 December 2014 07: 45
      Quote: tchoni
      prospects for cooperation with China, the region is interesting and promising.

      3000 km of land border, no sea border


      "cooperation with China" is strong
      Just a couple of facts:
      - China's fleet is many times superior in composition to the Russian Navy
      - the shipbuilding industry of the PRC annually builds frigates according to the 3-4

      Couple "Type 054" visiting Malta
      1. +4
        3 December 2014 08: 21
        There are islands to edrena mother.
        And Southeast Asia - Pacific Fleet Responsibility Region
        1. +2
          3 December 2014 08: 40
          Quote: Gans1234
          There islands to edrena mother

          They are all busy, but not us.
          Quote: Gans1234
          Southeast Asia - Pacific Fleet Responsibility Region

          What is the responsibility? Not a single ally in the region

          face off against the Self-Defense Forces of Japan?


          The smaller one is the Hyuga anti-submarine destroyer-helicopter carrier (the size corresponds to Mistral). The second is Izumo. What this is is not yet clear. Light aircraft carrier-helicopter carrier, although Japan has no plans to create or purchase VTOL aircraft



          Or the South Korean Navy?



          naval base Busan - American aircraft carrier and South Korean nuclear submarine "San Won" on hydrogen fuel cells (type 214 of German construction)
          1. +3
            3 December 2014 09: 06
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            What is the responsibility? Not a single ally in the region

            What about China?
            In my opinion, the Pacific Fleet is the only fleet. which can really work all over the world.
            I am not saying that aircraft carrier formations should be built there immediately, but this region should not be ignored.
            1. +9
              3 December 2014 09: 26
              Quote: tchoni
              What about China?

              And what about China?
              A future superpower with a population of one billion people using the Russian Federation as a source of cheap raw materials (the Power of Siberia gas pipeline) and a sales market
              Quote: tchoni
              Pacific Fleet is the only fleet. which can really work around the world

              The strongest has always been SF

              The modern Pacific Fleet has almost no ships left; there is no naval aviation at all
              1. +4
                3 December 2014 12: 21
                Our man in America))))))
              2. 0
                3 December 2014 13: 02
                A future superpower with a population of one billion people using the Russian Federation as a source of cheap raw materials (the Power of Siberia gas pipeline) and a sales market

                So you need to make him an ally, not an adversary in this region. As for the sales market, here you also need to look at who and to whom (for example, you can sell oil, but gasoline, oil, etc.). But the debate on this issue is not for this article.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                The strongest has always been SF
                So the North Atlantic direction has always been considered promising .... and now somehow it is not clear ...
      2. +2
        3 December 2014 09: 06
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        3000 km of land border, no sea border

        so what? ... you don’t need a fleet at the Pacific Fleet? ... you still can’t catch up with either China or the Japs ... ?? My opinion is that after entering Orlan and Mistral + 10 Gorshkovs (although we’ll hardly build for tof up to 18-20 so much, which is a pity) + our nuclear submarines = real fist to achieve political and economic projects beneficial for the Russian Federation. I consider the development of the fleet not as a powerful military terrible fist, but as an impetus for the rapid economic growth of our pipeline country .... and of course, military prestige and respect
        1. +6
          3 December 2014 09: 32
          Quote: gispanec
          after entering Orlan and Mistral + 10 Gorshkovs (although it’s unlikely that we will build so much for tofu before 18-20, it's a pity) + our nuclear submarines

          If the economy does not collapse, then after 10 years, by 2025, the ship’s composition of the Pacific Fleet will look something like this:

          - 1-2 strategic missile carriers of the Borey class
          - 1-2 multipurpose submarines "Ash"
          - UDC Mistral (if the francs will give)
          - 1-2 frigates of type 22350 "Gorshkov"

          Its "Orlan" will appear at the Pacific Fleet no earlier than 2030 - as soon as the Nakhimov is restored and modernized (by 2025), it will take the place of the flagship of the Northern Fleet, while "Peter" will go for repairs.

          "Varyag" and a few of the Soviet-built BOD by that time are unlikely to be able to go to sea, most of the old submarines (949A, 971, 667BDRM) will be excluded and put in a sludge
          1. 0
            4 December 2014 21: 13
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            most old submarines (949A, 971, 667BDRM) will be excluded and sucks

            971 hired on Sevmash will be modernized, maybe on Zvezdochka, so you can add a couple to the Pacific Fleet in 2025.
        2. +2
          3 December 2014 10: 07
          10 POT


          12 December Kasatonova with 1 turbine launched.

          3х11356 and 2х22350 - these are all large ships with turbines in a realistic perspective for 5-6 years. If the Nikolaev People’s Republic (and not just like that, but with logistics and without war in the Zori-Mashproekt area) will not be or a joint venture with Rolls-Royce.
          1. +1
            3 December 2014 13: 11
            There are 2 more plants where turbines can be manufactured and TZA
          2. 0
            3 December 2014 13: 52
            Quote: donavi49
            3x11356 and 2x22350 are all large ships with turbines in a realistic perspective for 5-6 years.

            "Saturn" seemed to swear and swore that the first domestic ship-borne gas turbine engine would be sold in 2017-2018?
      3. avt
        +5
        3 December 2014 09: 38
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        3000 km of land border, no sea border

        Well, Oleg certainly had enough in the heat of the moment when he got cold - let him see what and how the Germans did during the Patriotic War on Novaya Zemlya, and so far the first part went well for the seed - plus set it. How will it continue - let's see, wait with interest.
        Quote: Gans1234
        There are islands to edrena mother.
        And Southeast Asia - Pacific Fleet Responsibility Region

        request Oleg is right
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        They are all busy, but not us.

        And for a long time, the Angles from Tsushima drove us out and did not give us, as Miklouho-Maklai suggested, to gain a foothold in Polynesia and, hold on to the chair, take the Hawaiian Islands into Russia, at the request of their king. So, in the near future, our only on "Barges" so hated by many. Well, if the francs are given.
        1. 0
          5 December 2014 12: 04
          Quote: avt
          "Barges" so hated by many. Well, if the francs are given.

          It is unlikely that they will give:
          -The Prosecutor's Office of the French city of Rennes has launched a preliminary investigation into the theft of the equipment of the Mistral helicopter carrier, which is awaiting delivery to Russia
          "Hard drives of computers with navigation information, radio equipment and some other devices that were supplied by Thales have disappeared from the cabin."
          "Vladivostok" is now VESCHDOK, attached to the criminal case
          - oversized parking "Vladivostok" in the port of Saint-Nazaire,while paying STX.
          BECAUSE OF WHAT THINGS ARE THINKING FOR: arrest, court, they will sell for debts for cheap (Ukraine?)
          So it was: the fate of the BMP

          The ferry "Anna Karenina", arrested in Sweden for debts, was sold under the hammer and now under the name "Regina Baltika" runs on the line Stockholm - Tallinn, earning Estonian currency. The second ferry "Ilyich" suffered the same fate. He was under arrest for several months in Stockholm, debts were both to suppliers and to his own crew, who did not receive a salary for a long time until he was sold at an auction. The traces of the former "Ilyich" lead to the southern regions, it is not in the Baltic.
          only this remained:
      4. +3
        3 December 2014 09: 39
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        - China's fleet is many times superior in composition to the Russian Navy
        Perhaps China is a more "sea" power than Russia? It's not just the length of the coastline or the length of the sea borders, Oleg, you don't know that. There is no need to go to extremes, and give fools to steer, and Russia, like any other country with access to the seas and national interests, needs a fleet, and a strong fleet is needed, since a weak fleet initially does not make sense. No one calls for "pipirks" against the Yankees, but it is stupid and harmful to abandon a balanced fleet, including all the main classes of ships, since the fleet can and should solve all problems at sea, and not be disabled for the castrated version.
      5. GDP
        +3
        3 December 2014 18: 34
        Is the Chinese fleet many times superior to the Russian? You think what you write, or specify where ...

        Strategic submarines
        China - 5
        Russia - 14

        multipurpose, torpedo and special-purpose submarines
        China - 9
        Russia - 36

        Diesel
        China - 36
        Russia - 28

        As we see from the submarine fleet, Russia is much stronger than China, as I said - for now ...

        Heavy missile cruisers
        China - 0
        Russia - 3

        Missile cruisers
        China - 0
        Russia - 3

        Aircraft carriers
        China - 1
        Russia - 1 (excluding the Mistrals that are likely to be sold to us)

        Destroyers and watchmen of the far zone
        China - 31
        Russia - 20

        frigates, corvettes, MRK, BOD, IPC

        China - 45
        Russia - More than 56

        The Chinese fleet surpasses the Russian only in the Pacific Ocean, and even not many times.
  4. +1
    3 December 2014 07: 36
    In theory, you can put a gun on any bulk carrier for visibility and hang the Andreevsky flag. And transport weapons on a (warship) just like on a BDK. what
    1. +2
      3 December 2014 07: 50
      Quote: sandrmur76
      put a gun on any bulk carrier and hang the Andreevsky flag. And carry weapons on a (warship) just like on a BDK

      get more expensive Mistral
      1. avt
        +5
        3 December 2014 09: 44
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        put a gun on any bulk carrier and hang the Andreevsky flag. And carry weapons on a (warship) just like on a BDK
        get more expensive Mistral

        Yes, especially if you continue all these "pontoon" pribluda like on "Gren". But there was another way in the USSR mastered and put on stream - the Kosygin and Sevmorput lighter carriers! Only the last one remains negative "Kosygin" in the 90s became sharply unprofitable non-market and somehow magically under a false flag, and "Kosygin" in the auxiliary fleet of the USA request
    2. +2
      3 December 2014 08: 24
      And give the name of the ship - "bum"
      Such methods are good for wartime.
      In peacetime, this is extremely humiliating. It would be a signature in metal over the powerlessness of our shipyards and the final decline of the Navy.
    3. +3
      3 December 2014 10: 11
      But here comes the crime of the line.

      It’s one thing when battleships enter the base of Tartus during the BS in the eastern Mediterranean. Everyone understands and is silent, because it is according to the rules of the game.

      Another is when yesterday's Aloid is introduced to the Navy and under the St. Andrew's flag goes to Tartus. There will already be not only srach in the UN, but also retaliatory actions in the form of columns of trucks with "humanitarian aid like Stinger / Tou / TPV, etc." for SSA.
      1. +2
        3 December 2014 14: 03
        Quote: donavi49
        Another is when yesterday's Aloid is introduced to the Navy and under the St. Andrew's flag goes to Tartus. There will already be not only srach in the UN, but also retaliatory actions in the form of columns of trucks with "humanitarian aid like Stinger / Tou / TPV, etc." for SSA.

        Ahem ... what's the problem? What is the difference between the BDK and similar ships, if there is one flag?
        Especially if you remember, say, Atlantic Conveyor, Atlantic Causeway and QE2. Or about the command of sea transport with its fleet, including the famous "Algols".
  5. -1
    3 December 2014 07: 40
    A very logical idea about the role of the Aircraft Carrier Groups in the Russian Navy. It is much more necessary to build ice-class ships and ships. Ships of the Mistral class can be needed only for the period between peace and war, in the event of a transition to hostilities, the probability of their being in service tends to zero. Therefore, the only real factor of influence in the oceans has been and remains submarines and, above all, multipurpose ones, such as the Ash and the smaller Ash (displacement), as well as the Fin project, frozen at the request of Friends from the Potomac. And naturally non-nuclear submarines from 750 to 2000 tons of displacement.
  6. 0
    3 December 2014 08: 19
    Yes, I agree with the author, I liked the article.
    Only now it didn’t seem to be finished, it’s not developed in letters, that we ourselves can build such a ship in 10 years, etc. Other sides are not indicated in the article - a couple of thoughts on the Mistrals on "paper" are itching at the very hand, but too lazy)
  7. -1
    3 December 2014 08: 24
    Photos of Mistral upon entering St. Petersburg
    1. +1
      3 December 2014 20: 34
      St. Petersburg. It is spelled correctly!
  8. +6
    3 December 2014 08: 27
    These disputes are needed, they are not needed, they are definitely needed, a good zealous owner in the household will do everything, you never know what you need tomorrow, and the Syrian express is a vivid confirmation of this. BDK is certainly good, but the difference between them and the mistral is like a gazelle compared to a truck . And besides, it fits perfectly into the Russian military doctrine, since the best defense is an attack.
    Well something like that.
  9. +1
    3 December 2014 08: 48
    In the end, the first article in which a sober assessment of the Mistrals is given, otherwise tired of fortune-telling on coffee grounds, are needed, are not needed, it's time to come to a consensus, they are needed, we take it and let them try to not give back the paddlers.
    1. 0
      3 December 2014 09: 52
      + I wanted a phone I’m sitting here it doesn’t immediately respond
  10. 0
    3 December 2014 09: 52
    Monumental appearance - the ship must "crush" with its size and appearance.


    It is easier to get into this "monument", although the arguments in the article are convincing and reasonable. But in our world everything is often done contrary to logic. Don't you notice?
    1. +2
      3 December 2014 10: 38
      Do you understand what it means to get something into a Russian Navy ship, what will follow and in what conditions is it possible? And it doesn't matter what size it is, or do you think that there is some technical difference in the difficulty of hitting a conventional large landing craft? All the same, the protection of any transport ship of the Navy is a flag, not the defensive armament of the ship, they are not intended for active hostilities, you do not require a military KAMAZ to be able to fight like a tank, and it is much easier to get into a KAMAZ! Mistral is the same truck! Only the sea .. What are they attached to the value of the ship? Look, everything goes to the fact that our monetary assets abroad in half a year or a year will be arrested and frozen (what are we going to do with virtual zeros? And it smells of a default of green papers). And here we, though dearly, get something REAL! Materially embodied! That is why the "partners" and howled! We are increasing our defenses at least a bit, and this is unacceptable in the opinion of the West, and from their point of view it is logical and understandable. The locomotives must be pressed while they are teapots! So they put pressure on all fronts.
      1. 0
        3 December 2014 11: 15
        I fully share your patriotism, believe me, without sarcasm. But there are things of physical materialism, and not that pacifism - which is the flag on the ship. It is clear that no one will dare to "shoot" at such a "monument".
        I am considering options for military ACTION, after all, "Mistral" is not a civilian project.
  11. 0
    3 December 2014 11: 27
    Kenedy, without any looking back, pressed our disillusionment and nothing happened, at the moment of real danger, who knows what the enemy is capable of, except for the simple wording "they don't dare to risk" I would also like that "they don't dare to risk" pressed the main caliber on board. 12 ................. ******* will not interfere I think
    1. +1
      3 December 2014 20: 19
      > Kenedy, without looking back, pressed our disillusionments and nothing happened

      they came up ready to be attacked by atomic torpedoes - they would arrange a doomsday for all nearby ships.
  12. +3
    3 December 2014 11: 36
    The author confuses the peacetime fleet and the military fleet. Yes, in peacetime - now - the fleet is successfully supplying Syria, as soon as the situation escalates, the straits are closed and the Syrian Express stands up, the fleet will begin to do the same as in previous world wars - to defend its bases. Any military man will say that with the beginning and during the war, in order to win, one must pursue decisive goals - the defeat of the enemy's troops. In our case, the fleet will be required to ensure the capture of the straits and amphibious operations in Norway and Iceland, and then ensure their successful defense and operations against convoys and bases. The navy and army are not ready for this. Therefore, building a "peacetime" fleet when a hot world war has actually begun is simply a waste of resources on useless toys.
    1. 0
      3 December 2014 20: 54
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Any military man will say that with the beginning and during the war, for victory, decisive goals must be pursued - the defeat of enemy troops. In our case, the fleet will be required to ensure the capture of the straits and landing operations in Norway and Iceland, and then to ensure their successful defense and action against convoys and bases
      It is difficult to disagree with you here, given the geographic specifics of Russia, the historical experience of the war at sea, the well-known areas of blockade of all our fleets by NATO forces. Everything is true, but, precisely, from the actions of the fleet in peacetime, it may not in the least depend on whether it will come to war. If a global thermonuclear conflict occurs, then most likely there will be no need to talk about the wartime fleet. Prevention of war, timely suppression of threats, demonstration of force, while defending their national interests, this is the business of the "peacetime" fleet, and it is even more important than clearing up the radioactive swamp afterwards, counting who has more submarines.
    2. +2
      3 December 2014 21: 38
      The author is not confused. You are confusing it. The Russian Navy has broader tasks than only in the "war period".

      1. go to the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
      2. read the tasks assigned to the Russian Navy;
      - Currently
      - In peacetime:
      - In the threatened period:
      - In wartime.
      3. analyzing - remember (!) Mistral may be, depending on the tasks:
      - Helicopter carrier for anti-submarine helicopters;
      - Tank landing transport;
      - Arms transport;
      - A ship of projection of force, showing the flag of the country;
      - landing;
      - Rescuer of the Ministry of Emergencies;
      - assist the FSB Coast Guard Border Guard.
      1. 0
        4 December 2014 02: 09
        Yeah, still headquarters, hospital ship, fly to the ISS and deliver crews with cargo.
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  13. 0
    3 December 2014 13: 27
    and who will tell me: Mistral saw with his own eyes, but not a sailor, and I don’t understand much.
    at this ship, the entrance from the pier is not high from the water level (see photo in the article) and the doors there are, how to say it ... glass wide as in a hotel. I’m asking myself - if at least once in a bad weather floods a couple of tons of water there with a wave, I’ll squeeze this design out. Who can say anything about this?
  14. 0
    3 December 2014 15: 03
    Now the Russian Navy is seriously updated: corvettes (smart, smart, guarding and thundering) and frigates (Essen, Gorshkov, Kasatonov, Makarov, Golovko) replenish our fleet.
  15. 0
    3 December 2014 15: 26
    The second of the 4 Nakhimov TAKR is undergoing major overhaul. The next one is preparing to restore the Lazarev TAKR, and the Ushakov TAKR will most likely be scrapped. The Perth Velikiy TAKR will return to service next year after the Ustinov RRC has been overhauled. ...
    1. 0
      3 December 2014 17: 25
      Quote: lescha.kazakov
      The second of 4 aircraft carrier "Nakhimov" is undergoing major overhaul

      Yes, time ... And I saw him still under construction "Kalinin"
  16. -2
    3 December 2014 15: 50
    I remind dear colleagues what spears broke about the development of the Navy immediately after the Second World War. And despite the fact that the opinion of only one person was correct laughing I cherish the hope that now the strategic program for the construction of the fleet is being developed and will be implemented by sane people.
    And the "Mistalevskaya poem" turns into a farce. And the lack of action by the Russian leadership to such a breakdown of the contract is depressing and alarming.
  17. 0
    3 December 2014 16: 57
    Time will tell ... so far there are a lot of questions about surface forces ... they are clearly lacking in the North, where a new task has appeared - patrolling the Arctic waters, nor at the Pacific Fleet, where there are also enough questions ... The Baltic has been updated with corvettes, the Black Sea Fleet will be replenished with frigates ... There are a lot of questions and I think that the smart heads of the Navy also see and know these problems ... let's live with hope for the best !!! And the topic Oleg touched, as always, is interesting and most importantly relevant !!! Otherwise we politicized our website Voennoye Obozreniye a little ... Many thanks to Oleg for the article !!!
  18. 0
    3 December 2014 17: 23

    Mistral-class landing helicopter carrier. 21 tons of full displacement. Enormous cruising range. 000 helicopters and a cargo deck designed for 16 units of wheeled vehicles or other similar load.
    ...
    But the main thing is timing! Helicopter "Vladivostok" built in just a couple of years!
    Everything is possible ...
    The question is, where are these miracle ships now, from whom?
  19. 0
    3 December 2014 18: 39
    "... Monumental appearance - the ship must" crush "with its size and external appearance ..." - not a serious argument.
    1. +1
      3 December 2014 21: 16
      I am for such ships.
      1. 0
        3 December 2014 21: 42
        I agree. I think that there would be no "French hysteria", to such an extent, if Russia had been ordered from the French BRAVE. However, they would not have been given.
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  20. Andy1111
    +1
    3 December 2014 19: 54
    Quote: solovald
    "... Monumental appearance - the ship must" crush "with its size and external appearance ..." - not a serious argument.


    Yes you?? if these ships are handed over to us, do you imagine how many farts will explode in the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia, and so on and so forth?

    this is a serious argument

    Take the same Petra or Kuzya - all of whose real combat value is a very average "floating air defense battery" by today's standards. But any exit of these ships at sea or their appearance off the coast of this or that state is a reason for thousands of articles and television reports.
  21. Andy1111
    +2
    3 December 2014 20: 10
    Is the Chinese fleet many times superior to the Russian? You think what you write, or specify where ...
    Strategic submarines
    China - 5
    Russia - 14
    multipurpose, torpedo and special-purpose submarines
    China - 9
    Russia - 36
    Diesel
    China - 36
    Russia - 28
    As we see from the submarine fleet, Russia is much stronger than China, as I said - for now ...
    Heavy missile cruisers
    China - 0
    Russia - 3
    Missile cruisers
    China - 0
    Russia - 3
    Aircraft carriers
    China - 1
    Russia - 1 (excluding the Mistrals that are likely to be sold to us)
    Destroyers and watchmen of the far zone
    China - 31
    Russia - 20
    frigates, corvettes, MRK, BOD, IPC
    China - 45
    Russia - More than 56
    The Chinese fleet surpasses the Russian only in the Pacific Ocean, and even not many times.

    I wouldn’t want to destroy your erotic fantasies, but you can safely divide the numbers indicated by you in our fleet by 3.
    the payroll of the fleet and the number are really not just combat-capable but at least floating ships - these are two different things.
    Heavy missile cruisers
    China - 0
    Russia - 3
    - where are the three from? 1 really and maybe in 10 years 1 more. But most likely one will remain so for as long as they bring Nakhimov to life, it will be necessary to put the petya on for several years for repair

    Destroyers and watchmen of the far zone
    China - 31
    Russia - 20

    what are far-field patrols? ) frigates? )
    so we have not one in the ranks so far.
    destroyers? if you count 7 pieces of 1115x here (the rest is ALL DIED.) of which more than 4 move, the number doesn’t beat at all .. especially since you have a separate BOD. whom they considered generally incomprehensible especially in the light of this part
    frigates, corvettes, MRK, BOD, IPC
    China - 45
    Russia - More than 56

    oh how .. all in one pile. only China really has more than 40 frigates and corvettes in the ranks, but who do you find here? boats with them or what?


    Well, then all your numbers are just some bullshit .. where did you get them ?????
  22. -1
    3 December 2014 21: 18
    Forgive me, maybe not in the subject, but I still want to know - WHO ordered "Mistrals for our Navy? I would like to hear specific names
    1. 0
      3 December 2014 23: 55
      I understand this - minus customers.
    2. rybackyi
      0
      4 December 2014 20: 27
      The great srateg Rogozin when he was an observer in the alliance got Medvedev.
  23. xren
    0
    3 December 2014 21: 39
    whose fate never depended on maritime communications


    But what about Lend-Lease?

    Yes, and the Russian-Japanese war is remembered.
    1. 0
      5 December 2014 22: 26
      Quote: xren
      But what about Lend-Lease?

      We were not involved in guarding and guiding convoys
      1. xren
        0
        6 December 2014 17: 20
        that's it
  24. 0
    3 December 2014 23: 17
    Very interesting opinion about "Mistrals"! At any rate, that would be their best use ... if they were to be passed on to us. If they don’t give it over, then for penalties and fines you can build your own ships and better (just a pity for the time!). If the fines and penalties are not paid, everything can be expected from Geyropa, then there will be consolation that France will be much worse, because the reputation will get wet. Now India has already refused to buy French fighters worth 22 billion dollars.
  25. 0
    3 December 2014 23: 42
    The biggest mistake of Russia was that in the contract for the construction of the Mistrals, the territory of France was agreed, and their specialists had to be invited to their territory. In this case, Russia would have won on all issues, but now this should be taken into account in other similar projects.
    1. 0
      4 December 2014 02: 25
      And they would have built it right on the Red Square, there are no free shipyards; orders for 5-7 years have been planned ahead, plus turbines, who will supply them to you now in Russia?
  26. 0
    3 December 2014 23: 51
    It is in vain that Oleg Kaptsov looks at the Arctic basin with disdain. Quote: "... The bulk of these" sea borders "is the uninhabited coast of the Arctic and the Far East. Where terrible ice and negative average annual temperatures protect the coast much more reliably than any fleet!" I fundamentally disagree with him. But in the Arctic, not far off, there will be more significant problems, how to carry out the Arctic delivery, as now. First, Russia is starting to actively develop the Arctic shelf and there are more than enough people in the world who want to join it. Secondly, the main maritime component of NATO's missile defense ("Arleigh Burke") will be deployed precisely in the northern latitudes to intercept our ICBMs along the perimeter of our maritime borders, and they will have to be neutralized by our forces and means. Thirdly, the polar ice season is constantly decreasing and, possibly, in the future, the northern sea route will be completely cleared of polar ice. There are other reasons as well, for example, ensuring the combat stability of our Northern Fleet SSBNs. Then, why should a Russian ship under the Russian flag be inspected by someone, as is meant here in peacetime, in the waters of the open sea (international waters)? I'm taking what I want. By the way, in May 1967, for the ships of the 5th squadron in the Mediterranean Sea, artillery ammunition was delivered by the civilian fleet, I remember well the dry cargo ship "Cosmonaut Komarov" delivered 100-mm ammunition for the cruiser "Slava" and carried it himself. And so, I still have the feeling that the article was written out of the author's personal love in large aircraft-carrying ships. The argumentation of the need for the Mistrals in the article is very vague, so, at the level of their performance characteristics. And yet, it is always necessary to consider the expediency of certain naval forces and their numerical strength, as well as the tasks they face, only through the prism of assessing a specific theater of operations and the possibility of interaction with other types of armed forces on it. Everything else is just pointless.
    1. 0
      4 December 2014 02: 03
      Quite right, I support on all counts, I’ll add a fleet where they will be based TF and BSF not damn these ships in TF with Americans there are so many air force bases that helicopters, and Mistral itself loses all its qualities, only defense, it’s better to strengthen coastal aviation, the same Black Sea Fleet, if NATO wants, it will create a navy grouping that not only the Mistral our whole group will have a problematic defense and again
    2. 0
      4 December 2014 03: 51
      Quote: okroshka79
      it begins the active development of the Arctic shelf and there are more than enough people wishing for it in the world.

      Map, geography lesson 8 class
      Quote: okroshka79
      NATO missile defense component ("Arleigh Burke") will be deployed precisely in the northern latitudes to intercept our ICBMs

      a photo
  27. 0
    4 December 2014 01: 51
    Look at what kind of ships Gazprom and oil companies are building except for gas carriers of all the arctic class, so think about what kind of ships we need, and the Mistral is not a sailor, especially not a specialist, but in the view of the average person, I see not one pole except universality, well, not ours fit into our system alone, so that you need to protect it somewhere and the tales about the headquarters do not seem to convince, but how did you manage before? And this is a whole ship for the headquarters, it would be important to plan what is the opinion dilitant
  28. 0
    4 December 2014 12: 27
    Dear Oleg Kaptsov! Your articles are always interesting and always cause a lot of controversy and deserve discussion. As for the development of the Arctic, many have already poked your nose here. And in your photo of the frozen AK-130 on the "Admiral Chabanenko" EM I will say: I served in the Northern Fleet for almost two decades, my entire service was engaged in missile and artillery preparation. And we fired all year round, including the winter months. Don't think that Americans are dumber than ours.
  29. -1
    4 December 2014 16: 13
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: GDP
    Have you thought how much fuel he eats?

    PMSM, not so much.
    It was made according to commercial standards - there are diesel engines "Vyartsilya", only twice as powerful as on the project 775.
    Quote: GDP
    And the escort? - This is a big barge without any serious weapons ...
    BDK are much more suitable for these purposes.

    Oh-ho-ho ... and what - do we have something other than the ancient AK-775 and two MANPADS on the 725? On our BDK en masse there is no SAM or ZAK. Oh yes, there is a third series with a pair of AK-630 and AK-176 instead of AK-725. But the trouble is that there are only 3 such BDKs, and they are scattered 1 each in the Pacific Fleet, Black Sea Fleet and BF.
    So it’s also scary to release an unaccompanied BDK.
    Quote: GDP
    We need a fleet for coastal defense, for delivering nuclear strikes from under water, for destroying superior enemy surface forces with a missile strike, and not for capturing enemy territory from the sea.

    And for the liberation of their own territory, which is controversial for someone? Or to urgently strengthen the grouping in remote territories in the event of a local aggravation of the situation?

    But tell the ignoramus. From the deck of this monster can I launch land-based anti-ship missiles?
  30. 0
    4 December 2014 21: 33
    To hell with cons. Answer the question - WHO ORDERED MISTRALS ???
    1. Andy1111
      0
      5 December 2014 13: 47
      Putin, of course .. Are you really that short-sighted to believe that such issues are resolved without authorization-filing of the first person of the state? We will not consider Medvedev here, which is just a screen?
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    3. 0
      5 December 2014 18: 59
      Quote: kirpich
      WHO ORDERED THE MISTRALS ???

      - Negotiations on this issue were initially conducted by the Russian Ministry of Defense with 2008, namely France and the French-controlled shipbuilding association DCNS.
      (Russian military initially focused on the purchase of ships of the Mistral type, and other options were not seriously considered) It all started at EuroNaval

      -In October 2010 of the year Ministry of Defense of Russia announced a formal tender for the purchase of universal landing ships, the predictable winner of which was DCNS.

      -7 June 2011 in St. Petersburg, the signing of the contract between FSUE (now OJSC) Rosoboronexport and the French to supply two ships of the Mistral type.

      On the Russian side, the contract was signed by Anatoly Isaykin, General Director of Rosoboronexport,


      in the presence President of the Russian Federation Medvedev.

      From 1972 to 1996, he served in the state security organs, was the deputy head of the special forces group KGB of the USSR Vympel, Deputy Head of Special Operations Directorate FSB RF
      from 2000 to November of 2007 of the year - Deputy General Director of FSUE Rosoboronexport »

      Serdyukov was the head of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation From 15 of February 2007 of the year to 6 of November 2012 of the year


      Judging by the fact that the price is 200-270 million Euros more expensive than "for France", someone received HUGE BONUSES from DCNS

      The main task was: Thanks to France for 08.08.08 and RECEIVING ZENITH-9 systems and SIC-21 fleet management system.
  31. 0
    4 December 2014 22: 18
    Guys, what's new with the Russian reaction to the "LADIES-NEDAM Mistral" situation? request Putin’s message also has no answers and hints on this topic.
  32. 0
    11 December 2014 21: 09
    There is an opinion that our fleet really lacks laden (at least outwardly) little ships, which are outwardly unremarkable, but to the eyeballs stuffed with intelligence and electronic warfare equipment.

    The second category - dry cargo vessels, with a mass of containers on the deck, among which may be the KLAB-NK in container design.

    A traditional navy is needed, it is also necessary to ensure the presence of the St. Andrew’s flag in the oceans, but it is better to play it safe, especially considering that our capabilities for building ships are already exhausted ... Many warships are being built. but not enough ...