Hypersonic arms race

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Hypersonic arms race


Samples of hypersonic systems weaponsthat reach speeds of 6-8 Mach, should appear before the end of 2020 of the year. This was recently announced by Boris Obnosov, Director General of Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation.

- These are new outrageous speeds. Hypersound begins with 4,5 Mach. One Max is 300 m / s, or 1 is a thousand km / h. To create such weapon systems that are gaining speed in the atmosphere, exceeding Mach 4,5 is a huge scientific and technical challenge. Moreover, we are talking about quite a long flight in the atmosphere. On ballistic missiles, this hypersonic speed is short-term, said Obnosov, adding that manned hypersonic flights are a matter that will be decided between 2030 and 2040 for years.

And here the question of the race in the field of high-speed non-nuclear weapons immediately arises. So, November 21 in the annex to the “Nezavisimaya Gazeta” - “NVO” - published the article “New high-speed arms race” by the co-director of the Nuclear Policy Program and senior researcher at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, James Acton. The expert believes that recently there are clear signs of the maturing of a new long-range ultra-high-speed arms race, which can be very dangerous. So, in August, the USA and China experienced rocket-planning weapons with an interval of 18 days. As for Russia, the military-political leadership has also repeatedly made statements about the development of hypersonic weapons.

- The most serious threat is the use of rocket-planning weapons in non-nuclear equipment during the conflict. This is fraught with a new risk of its escalation up to its development into a nuclear one, ”Acton writes.

Note that the work on the creation of hypersonic cruise missiles, aircraft and guided warheads in the world has been going on for a very long time, but has not yet emerged from the category of experimental designs. Russian C-300 and C-400 anti-aircraft missiles fly at hypersound, but not for long, as well as ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) warheads at the time of entry into the dense layers of the atmosphere.

The United States is working simultaneously on several promising “hypersonic” projects: the planning bomb AHW (Advanced Hypersonic Weapon) (developed under the auspices of the US Army), unmanned hypersonic devices Falcon HTV-2 (since 2003 has been developed by the United States Department of Defense Agency for Advanced Defense research development (DARPA) and X-43 (built by NASA Hyper-X program), Boeing X-51 winged hypersonic missile (developed by a consortium comprising the USAF, Boeing, DARPA, etc.) and a number of other programs .

The most promising of them is the Boeing X-51 rocket (it is claimed that it will go into service with the 2017). So, in May 2013, it was launched from the aircraft B-52 at an altitude of 15200 meters and then using an accelerator rose to an altitude of 18200 meters. During the flight, which lasted for six minutes, the X-51A rocket developed speed in 5,1 Mach and, flying the distance in 426 kilometers, self-destructed.

Active in the "hypersonic" sphere and China. In addition to the unsuccessful tests of the hypersonic planning device WU-14 (apparently, partially copied from the experimental hypersonic unmanned aerial vehicle X-43), the Middle Kingdom is developing a reactive hypersonic cruise missile.

As for Russia, in August 2011, Boris Obnosov reported that his concern was starting to develop a rocket capable of speeds up to 12-13 Mach. There is reason to believe that they were talking about an anti-ship missile, which "lit up" in the press under the name "Zircon". However, given the successful testing of the American X-51A, in the future Russian developers need to present not one complex, but a whole line of hypersonic shock systems.

Moreover, in the Soviet Union a good start was made. So, since the end of the 50-ies, the AN Tupolev Design Bureau has been working on creating a hypersonic aircraft, launched by a launch vehicle, the Tu-130. It was assumed that it will fly at a speed of Mach 8-10 to a distance of four thousand kilometers. But in 1960, all the work, despite the obvious success, was curtailed. Interestingly, the American HGB - a prototype of the American hypersonic system AHW, looks very similar to the Soviet Tu-130. As for domestic developments in the field of hypersonic rockets, they were actively pursued in the USSR, starting with the 1970s, but in the 1990s they practically disappeared. In particular, NPO Mashinostroeniya created the Meteorit rocket, and later began work on the device with the cipher 4202; MKB "Rainbow" in 1980-x the beginning of the project X-90 / GEL; in the 1970-ies on the basis of the C-200 missile complex the Kholod rocket was created.

Military expert Viktor Myasnikov remarks: a hypersonic rocket is necessary for an instant pre-emptive and disarming strike, so that the enemy is unable to react to the attack.

- A rocket flying at a speed of 10-15 Mach will be able to reach any point of the planet in a few tens of minutes, and no one will be able to capture and intercept it properly. At the same time, it is possible to do without the “nuclear stuffing”, since missiles with a conventional explosive are already guaranteed to disable the communications and control centers of the enemy. Therefore, the Americans are bringing huge amounts of money into their AHW, Falcon HTV-2 and X-51A projects, hurrying to complete them quickly to control the whole world and dictate their will to it.

But at the moment we can talk about the technology race, but not about the race of hypersonic weapons, because such weapons do not exist yet. In order for it to appear, the leading powers will have to solve a lot of problems, in particular, how to “teach” a rocket or vehicle to fly in an atmosphere where there are still insurmountable factors - medium resistance and heat. Yes, today missiles that are already being put into service reach the speed of the 3-5 Mach, but at a fairly short distance. And this is not the hypersound that they mean when they talk about hypersonic weapons.

In principle, the technological path of development of high-speed weapons in all countries is the same, because physics, as we know, does not depend on geography and social order. Here the key point is who will quickly overcome technological and scientific difficulties, who will create new resistant materials, high-energy fuel, etc., that is, much depends on the talent and originality of the developers' ideas.

So, this is a systemic issue, since the creation of such weapons requires the development of scientific, technical and technological sectors, which is quite expensive. And the longer this process goes, the more it will cost the budget. And in our research institutes they are accustomed to work without haste: there are topics that the scientist is ready to develop for years, whereas operational solutions are required for the army and industry. Abroad, in this regard, everything is moving much faster, because there is competition: whoever has time to patent the development, he made a profit. But the question of profit is not the key one, since money is already allocated from the budget ...

Whether Russia will succeed in creating a hypersonic weapon with our well-known problems in the defense industry after the 90s is a big question. In the USSR, the development of hypersonic rockets was carried out, but after the collapse of the Union, further development of such weapons took place at the level of development of individual systems.

We have been living for a long time in the use of hypersonic warheads of intercontinental ballistic missiles: their nuclear units in the passive sector are moving at 7-8 speeds Makhov, said Viktor Murakhovsky, editor-in-chief of Arsenal of Fatherland magazine, member of the Expert Council. .

- So, the next decade of fundamentally new, we will not see anything. We will see only new technical solutions that will allow to withdraw funds not related to ballistic missiles at a hypersound. And for missile defense systems that are developed or promising in some countries, in fact, there are no differences as to whether the target is hypersonic — a warhead or an aircraft.

"SP": - ZRK C-400 "Triumph" is able to work on hypersonic targets ...

- And even the C-300BM "Antey-2500", however, for short-range and medium-range missiles. And C-400 and C-500 are generally considered to be theater missile defense systems (theater of operations - SP), as is the American Aegis system.

The United States, of course, does not care about the topic of hypersonic weapons in the sense of improving nuclear weapons - they are not going to develop their strategic forces too seriously, but in terms of implementing the concept of a fast global strike. And here it is unprofitable to use ICBMs in non-nuclear equipment, since the enemy’s missile defense will equate missiles with nuclear missiles, which is why the States rely on aerodynamic systems.

There are prototypes, tests are underway, but I would not risk saying that a hypersonic cruise missile or a hypersonic aircraft will appear in service with the major powers in 5-10 years. So, talk about electrochemical and electromagnetic guns have been going on for about 15 years, but so far - all the way.
As for the race of high-speed armaments, but, in my opinion, it’s not that it started, it didn’t stop. Yes, the United States and Russia concluded the Treaty on the Elimination of Medium and Short Range Missiles (1987 to 500 km - “SP”) in 5500, but I do not think that hypersonic missiles and aerodynamic apparatuses will be equipped with nuclear warheads, because the ICBM technology has been developed decades, and it shows high reliability at control starts.
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  1. +3
    29 November 2014 05: 50
    Once upon a time, supersonic speeds seemed to be from the realm of fantasy. Time passes, and with it unique technologies become apparent, including in the field of hypersonic weapons.
    1. +4
      29 November 2014 08: 13
      Quote: aszzz888
      Once upon a time, supersonic speeds seemed to be from the realm of fantasy.

      Before the onset of the supersonic era, many said that no airplane simply could withstand overloads in order to overcome the sound barrier, and this was what the designers themselves said! But there were risky ones who decided to "check" it and ... supersonic came. Hypersound will come!
    2. +11
      29 November 2014 11: 03
      Quote: aszzz888
      Once upon a time, supersonic speeds seemed to be from the realm of fantasy. Time passes, and with it unique technologies become apparent, including in the field of hypersonic weapons.



      Developers spent an average of 10 years increasing the number of M per unit. In the 1960s, M = 1,0-1,5 was achieved, in the 70s - 2,5-3, in the 80s - 3-4 in the 90s, 4-5M, in the 00s 5-6M, in the current decade (10s) 6-7M. And this is a full hypersound. The Americans in the field of GLA creation first went along the path of installing rocket engines on planes. But when in the 90s they got access to Soviet developments - Soviet work in the field of ramjet engines - they changed the concept of the GLA.
      By the end of the 80s, the Soviet Union had three mass-produced weapons with ramjet weapons (X-31, 3M-80 Moskit missiles, the previously anti-aircraft 3M8 of the Krug complex) and a number of other developments. All three missiles cannot be called hypersonic (speed about 2M ), as well as the Onyx that appeared later (the export version is Yakhont / Bramos, speed 2,8M). However Americans still do not have serial samples of such weapons.
      The only success of the Americans can be considered high-altitude reconnaissance A-12 / SR-71, whose turbojet engine had a sophisticated four-stage compressor to reach high speed (up to 3,2M). However, the not very successful design and engine complexity constantly led to disasters. As a result, the “natural decline” amounted to 12 of the 30 vehicles produced.
      And now the Americans took up this direction tightly, believing that the collapse of the only geopolitical enemy, which led to its technological decline, would allow them to achieve military power beyond the reach of others. This was important because the young “third world countries” that were rising economically did not have a fundamental technological reserve.
      1. +7
        29 November 2014 11: 03
        The United States is immediately working on several promising "hypersonic" projects: AHW Planning Bomb (Advanced Hypersonic Weapon) (development under the auspices of the US Army), unmanned hypersonic vehicles Falcon HTV-2 (since 2003, developed by the US Department of Defense Advanced Defense Research and Development Agency (DARPA)) and X-43 (built by NASA's Hyper-X program), winged hypersonic rocket Boeing X-51 (developed by a consortium that includes the US Air Force, Boeing, DARPA, etc.) and a number of other programs.

        In addition, there are programs that have not yet had flight tests. ARRMD Project (Advanced / Affordable Rapid Response Missile Demonstrator) should give tactical missile with a speed of 6-8M, at a price of about $ 200 thousand, with a range of at least 1080 km. Navy HyFly program (Hypersonic Flight - "Hypersonic Flight") provides for the creation of a similar rocket, but with a slightly lower speed (3-4M).
        It is not possible to speak of them as reality, since tests of even specimens that have reached the launches are hardly successful. The fact that the programs are stalled is indicated by the interest of Americans in French developments in the ASMP missile and the purchase of X-31 missiles from us as targets. By the way, France is the only country except the Soviet Union that was able to independently develop a rocket with ramjet - strategic aviation ASMP. The British have already joined in the work on its version with an increased range (ASLP), as well as on the air-to-air missile MBDA Meteor, also equipped with ramjet and which has become the pan-European “long arm” of the Air Force. Also, the European LEA project has been tested in Russia. The booster stage is ours, created on the basis of the X-22 anti-ship missile.
        We now have all the hypersound infa information classified except for various stuffing. However, according to indirect indications, as early as next year, one can hope for the emergence in Russia of a two-armed GLA capable of flying for a long time at speeds ten times higher than the speed of sound. If in 2004. successfully brought to mind the maneuvering combat unit for ICBMs - for the Americans this is the FHTV-2 program for accelerating ICBM Minuteman unit) - it is already in the series and in service, then given the 10-year cycle, one can hope for that. By the way, on the eve, the President held a closed meeting on the creation of new weapons and military equipment, where the issue of creating a new hypersonic strike weapon was considered.

        Earlier, the general director of the TRV Obnosov corporation stated:

        “We can now fly in hypersound, we still have rockets flying in hypersound at a speed of Mach 4,5, but we need not a short-term, but a stable flight of a rocket with hypersound in the atmosphere. We need to achieve a long-term flight and not in a small hypersound "─ Obnosov said, noting that it was necessary to develop a rocket capable of flying at speeds of six, ten and 14 Mach numbers. “These stages are completely different from the point of view of scientific thought, but they need to be addressed,” ─ added the general director of TRV.

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        1. 0
          29 November 2014 19: 20
          There is only desire! Now you need to find the black door in complete darkness, which still needs to be opened. Experiments cannot solve these issues. Only the theoretical fundamental principle will give an answer where to move.
        2. 0
          30 November 2014 22: 15
          Quote: Ascetic
          We now have all the hypersound infa information classified except for various stuffing. However, according to indirect indications, as early as next year, one can hope for the emergence in Russia of a two-armed GLA capable of flying for a long time at speeds ten times higher than the speed of sound. If in 2004. successfully brought to mind the maneuvering combat unit for ICBMs - for the Americans this is the FHTV-2 program for accelerating ICBM Minuteman unit) - it is already in the series and in service, then given the 10-year cycle, one can hope for that. By the way, on the eve, the President held a closed meeting on the creation of new weapons and military equipment, where the issue of creating a new hypersonic strike weapon was considered.

          - I welcome, Ascetic! Hundred years have not seen smile Rarely do you post lately))). But aptly. I also have a question about SABZH: "Military expert Viktor Myasnikov remarks: a hypersonic rocket is necessary for an instant pre-emptive and disarming strike, so that the enemy is unable to react to the attack.

          - A rocket flying at a speed of 10-15 Machs will be able to reach any point on the planet in a few tens of minutes, and nobody will have time to properly fix and intercept it. In this case, you can do without the "nuclear filling", since missiles with conventional explosive and so it is guaranteed that the communication and control centers of the enemy will be disabled. Therefore, Americans are investing huge amounts of money in their projects AHW, Falcon HTV-2 and X-51A, in a hurry to complete them as soon as possible in order to control the whole world and dictate their will to him. - Why does a hypersonic missile need an explosive warhead? There is such kinetic energy, when a rocket is introduced at such a speed into the body of the target, such heating will go, followed by expansion - and why are there explosives? What do you think? Something for this Myasnikov the title of "military expert" ... Okay, I will not judge strictly, but here it is clearly crap.
          1. 0
            30 November 2014 22: 44
            Obviously, you just need to consider all these issues in a completely different aspect. Such a speed, let alone controlled flight, is unreachable by modern methods. But this means that you need to look for reasonable theoretical prerequisites for such an opportunity. Moreover, new methods will allow this statement, to create energy generators on fundamentally new physical principles.
            Now we can only talk about the first step. The essence of which is the willingness to accept something that a person has not previously come into contact with. More precisely, a step to a rhinestone in several directions and in different planes. Without comprehending the methods of complex analysis, without changing some of the tenets of physics, mathematics, a person will simply sort out the varieties of what will someday fall into the desired goal.
          2. 0
            1 December 2014 19: 33
            There is no explosives there. Simple kinetic kick.
            The problem is not in the flight itself or overheating, but in the system
            management. How to steadily launch such a missile at a target?
            1. 0
              1 December 2014 20: 10
              I would say, but they don’t understand.
      2. 0
        29 November 2014 19: 27
        Quote: Ascetic
        The only success of the Americans can be considered high-altitude reconnaissance A-12 / SR-71, whose turbojet engine had a complex four-stage compressor to reach high speed (up to 3,2M).

        1) The _1976 year of the US Air Force requirements for a new air-based missile called ASALM (Advanced Strategic Air-Launched Missile).

        "highlight": a combined liquid-rocket and ramjet engine. The rocket engine accelerated the rocket to a speed slightly exceeding the sound speed, and after that the ramjet engine was turned on, bringing the speed to the cruise-4,5-5 M. In the period from October 1979 to May 1980, seven tests of reduced rocket models were conducted. In one of the tests, the model accidentally exceeded the planned speed and at an altitude of 12200 meters reached 5,5M. The range of a serial missile was to be 480 km (300 miles).

        Tactical and technical characteristics: length - 4,3 m, total weight - 1200 kg, cruising speed - 4,5 M, range - 480 km, warhead thermonuclear W-69 with a capacity of 200 kt.


        http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7671.0
        2) _ Let's not forget what a giant operating time the Americans have for speeds up to 24M (the shuttle descent from near-earth orbit, MULTIPLE, many years): TK, materials, controllability, etc.
    3. +1
      29 November 2014 19: 41
      no one canceled the efficiency of delivery of the warhead.
      hypersound is promising, but is associated with a sharply increased resistance of the medium,
      and therefore less economical than modern designs.
      for this banal reason, it will receive only a narrow distribution.
      1. -4
        29 November 2014 20: 03
        Very well said! A sharp increase in medium resistance. So this means that the potential difference e. magnetic interaction. So it needs to be used on a vector not of resistance, but therefore of opposition. It must be used as an opportunity for a modified interaction vector. Remember the scientists scientists. how to create an interaction space where at the same time the flow rate of the mobile medium will be maximum (from the initial geometric parameters) and zero. After all, this is the simplest task of unipolar interaction. This is not a pun. This is a real application solution.
        1. -1
          30 November 2014 19: 54
          Quote: gridasov
          This is a real application solution.

          Only here, the physics of the process is not clear, and it is impossible to mathematically calculate the process. It is already clear that at speeds higher than 3,5-4M another engine is needed than one that accelerates an aerodynamic object to this speed.
          And it is impossible to calculate, "digitize" the process, moreover, it is not possible to control the process. We need tests, experience and solution of the problem in a practical way.
  2. +3
    29 November 2014 06: 51
    Satellite target designation and hypersound solves the problem of AUG.
    1. +1
      29 November 2014 12: 14
      and not only this problem laughing
  3. +6
    29 November 2014 07: 58
    well, to be precise, the speed of sound in the air is not 300 but 330 m / s. And for such missiles they could have been armed even in the late 80s, if the hunchback hadn’t closed many research institutes and stopped at other institutes and kb this topic. am
    1. +3
      29 November 2014 16: 39
      Quote: sv68
      Well, to be precise, the speed of sound in air is not 300 but 330 m / s.

      Looking at what height! The Mach number is the true speed in the stream (that is, the speed with which air flows around, for example, an airplane), divided by the speed of sound in a particular medium, so the dependence is inversely proportional. At earth, a speed corresponding to Mach 1 will be approximately 340 m / s or 1225 km / h. At an altitude of 11 km, due to a drop in temperature, the speed of sound is lower - about 295 m / s or 1062 km / h. It’s easier for convenience to go up to 1000 km / h, what's the difference when it comes to speeds of 8-12 M ...
  4. +4
    29 November 2014 08: 24
    yes, tungsten-containing, and even better, 10M scrap from depleted uranium can make a lot of noise when it hits the target
  5. +2
    29 November 2014 09: 55
    The work was carried out, is underway and will continue. As they say, there is no point in straining the anus ahead of time. Our "friends" will threaten us with something, we will get our workpiece out of wide trousers. We will not, until we hold it. There are a lot of ideas, people work and everything will way.
  6. +1
    29 November 2014 10: 11
    Let there be hypersonic rockets!
  7. +1
    29 November 2014 10: 28
    I wonder how they will solve the problem of "metal creep" at such speeds and heating at 2000 degrees.
    1. +3
      29 November 2014 11: 21
      Quote: Vadim237
      I wonder how they will solve the problem of "metal creep" at such speeds and heating at 2000 degrees.


      For thermal protection of warheads of ICBMs flying in the atmosphere at hyperspeed, superconducting ceramics of "special purpose" are used
      1. +2
        29 November 2014 11: 48
        and how they will solve the problem of "metal creep" at such speeds and heating at 2000 degrees.
        Why not say more simply: "A pointed cone-fairing assembled of graphite rods with a cooling system."
      2. 0
        29 November 2014 16: 04
        What does superconducting mean? that ceramics can conduct, you probably meant heat resistance, low heat conductivity.
        1. -1
          29 November 2014 18: 54
          By the way, ceramics, like all other materials and substances conduct current. The question is what parametric properties of this current. And how to create such current parameters. Although these issues have already been resolved in the last century.
      3. 0
        29 November 2014 18: 39
        Physical processes associated with the interaction in dynamic contact, or rather the movement of any object in the space of media, are in algorithmic patterns. And it is obvious that the perception of these highly dynamic processes continues to be subjected to analysis based on low-potential laminar processes. In any case, on scientific postulates created by people of the distant past.
        The study of processes of a high potential level of interactions do not have basic theoretical scientific knowledge. Therefore, methods for solving, for example, thermal protection, by searching for insulating substances and materials are the way to nowhere. It would be worthwhile to perceive all these processes at the electronic level. magnetic polarization of all interactions, and this means that it’s commonplace to simply repolarize sections of high-potential magnetic interactions into sections with low-potential interaction. This is much simpler and perfectly justified theoretically.
      4. +1
        29 November 2014 19: 12
        Quote: Ascetic
        use superconducting ceramics "special purpose"

        What are you beguiling.
        How can HTSC ceramics / based on lanthanum, barium, and copper oxide (La2-xBaxCuO4), Тс = 35 K or ceramics based on yttrium-barium-copper oxide YBa2Cu3O7-x with Тс = 93 K / can "provide" thermal protection?
        HTSC ceramics are obtained by high-temperature (at temperatures of 800-1100 ° C) synthesis, which is "little", meaningless, and expensive.

        As a rule, a nose cone with ablative heat protection based on a ceramic material is used.


        Both on the "Spartan" LIM-49A, for example, the fairing itself, and the method / (one of) its impact on the ICBM warhead:

        impact X-rays on an ablative protective cone coating. This material absorbed X-ray energy and heated to such a high temperature.which led to premature ablation of the protective coating и combustion warheads when entering the atmosphere.


        W87 / Mk-21: The Mk-21 combat unit consists of an aluminum frame coated with a graphite-epoxy composite. The toe of the warhead is made of carbon-carbon composite+ thermal protection of the plutonium core of the primary charge (the charge is covered with beryllium, the protection allows you to withstand heating up to 1000 degrees Celsius during few hours)
    2. 0
      29 November 2014 18: 51
      But no way. So far, the temperature will be perceived as a simple phenomenon, and not as a result of email. magnetic interactions, then the problem can not be solved.
    3. +1
      29 November 2014 20: 43
      Quote: Vadim237
      I wonder how they will solve the problem of "metal creep" at such speeds and heating at 2000 degrees.

      1.No "creep": wrong temperatures, wrong (most importantly) times of exposure + adlation thermal protection, and the loads are not the same (bodies are streamlined, with low Cx)


      AB - section of unsteady (or decaying) creep (stage I),
      BC - section of steady creep - deformation, proceeding at a constant speed (stage II),
      ----DANGEROUS ZONE---------------
      CD - section of accelerated creep (stage III),
      E0 - deformation at the time of application of the load (stage IV),
      point D is the moment of destruction.


      creep limit in aircraft engine building: 100-200 h
      2.No temperature 2000grS
      W87 / Mk-21: Mk-21 warhead = beryllium-coated charge, protection can withstand heating up to 1000 degrees Celsius for several hours, in fact for
      heating the lateral surface of the warhead in the final section for trajectory NT-370 (LAYOUT trajectory), exposure time 27s at an altitude of 30 km: 790grS, for Mk-5 BG (b = 120kN / m2), for comparison: according to TME 7400 (30 km) = 223grS (exposure time 18C)
      1. 0
        30 November 2014 11: 12
        Given the air pressure at a speed of 10-20 max, during a half-hour flight in dense layers of the atmosphere, the heating will just be from 1500 to 3000 degrees in ten minutes - it can work for a rocket, but for the aircraft and its glider it will be the first and last flight . We have the Ayyaks project, from the point of view of protection against heating, it’s quite interesting and I think that it will not be implemented here, but somewhere abroad, because we don’t allocate funds for it.
        1. +1
          30 November 2014 13: 26
          Quote: Vadim237
          Given the air pressure at 10-20 max speeds,

          Force acting on the free stream

          where Cx is the drag coefficient (take 0,48), V is the flow velocity, m / s (take 210X300m / s), S is the cross-sectional Area (midship), m2, p-density of the medium (http://www.dpva.info/Guide/GuidePhysics/GuidePhysicsDensity/DensityAirHeight/) and so:

          dividing (roughly so, on the "knee") this force into Smidel = learn the pressure of the dynamic head. For a height of 20 km and a speed of 10M: 768 960 Pa
          1 atm (at a height of 0 m) = 101 325Pa. Those. TOTAL THAT is 7,7 atm (as at a depth of 77 m under water). Moreover, at this height, atm. pressure: 9465Pa, total


          Quote: Vadim237
          during a half-hour flight in dense layers of the atmosphere, the heating will just be from 1500 to 3000 degrees in ten minutes - for a rocket it can ride

          1.) NO half-hour flight in the atmosphere !! in total, it "flies" from 23 minutes to 43 minutes, BIG of OUTSIDE the earth's atmosphere
          2.) I provided the data on heating and bar span in PSA. This is For Trident 2X5 For flat and standard trajectory
          (a small amount of temperature and time given for the 30-20 km section)

          Quote: Vadim237
          but for the aircraft and its glider, this will be the first and last flight.

          This is only for reusable systems, while the aircraft do not fly at that speed)

          Quote: Vadim237
          We have an Ayyaks project

          Weakly believe in technical implementation in general (in terms of weight and volume of hydrocarbon fuel required for heat removal, you can simply calculate)

          For heat recovery in the double skin of Ajax placed thermochemical reactorin which after acceleration and the aerodynamic heating of the skin serves hydrocarbon fuel. It is used as an “endothermic” fuel.
  8. +1
    29 November 2014 11: 12
    Quote: Vadim237
    I wonder how they will solve the problem of "metal creep" at such speeds and heating at 2000 degrees.

    Well, with ceramics, I believe, ablative as a union or something like carbon-carbon as on Buran stood
    1. 0
      29 November 2014 16: 23
      Only on a blizzard did this tile cover the lower part and part of the bow of the ship, and in the case of a long flight in dense layers of the atmosphere above 7 max, this tile will have to cover the entire aircraft, in fact making a body out of this tile is a very expensive pleasure, one kilogram of this tile at a cost equal to a kilogram of diamonds - what a tile is.
      1. 0
        29 November 2014 19: 41
        And what's expensive, is all the production of petroleum coke?
        1. 0
          30 November 2014 10: 56
          Such a tile is made from ultra-pure quartz, and not from coke.
          1. 0
            30 November 2014 18: 42
            Quote: Vadim237
            Such a tile is made from ultra-pure quartz, and not from coke.

            quartz was made for the upper coating of Buran’s fesulage, but the fact that it’s carbon-carbon
            1. 0
              30 November 2014 21: 15
              That is, an artificial diamond.
  9. +6
    29 November 2014 12: 10
    The problem of shell erosion at such speeds is solved as on descent vehicles and shuttles. And how to solve the problem with overloads when maneuvering? Those who wish can estimate what turning radius the device will have at a speed of 3000 m / s with acceptable overload. This speed is three times higher than that of a sub-caliber armor-piercing projectile. A lot of questions there. By the way, the kinetic energy of such an apparatus exceeds the TNT equivalent of equal mass. So, such devices and explosives should not be carried.
    1. 0
      29 November 2014 16: 44
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And how to solve the problem with overloads when maneuvering?

      Yes, any rod will break when trying to maneuver at such speeds. And about:
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      By the way, the kinetic energy of such an apparatus exceeds the TNT equivalent of equal mass.

      Right.
      1. +1
        29 November 2014 22: 16
        S-300 missiles are actively maneuvering at 6-8M and aren’t tearing anything ...
      2. 0
        29 November 2014 22: 25
        Absolutely right. Issues of achieving hyper speeds are resolved only on the basis of new methods. analysis, which allow you to combine not only the stated multitasking, but also the processes of their algorithmic development and multisolution.
        The solution to the problem of ultrahigh relative speeds allows you to create an electric generator. magnetic energy with a constant impulse EMF in such a way that there is a potential difference in absolutely any material or substance existing on our planet. Moreover . The transformations undergo both the solid substance itself, which is a device, and the medium that forms the flows of relative outflow. And of course it all starts with an understanding of how everything happens on the rod or piece of conductor placed in special superdynamic conditions. Therefore, it is worth talking about a new state of matter - its properties defined in a dynamic state. This applies to both liquid and solid substances.
        1. ramsi
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          30 November 2014 08: 37
          suppose, in principle, it is clear that if the electric potential is applied to the anode of the semiconductor and increased, then the device will work to the limits of the inherent strength, but if it is supported by a comparable and equivalent potential from the cathode, then the problem of transition breakdown is solved. The question is how to make your generator powerful enough (it’s not clear how much ... I’m silent about absolutely any materials) for high speeds and compact enough to put it into a real device
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            30 November 2014 12: 58
            Quite right! Only you imagine a linear conductor, but you cannot imagine how magnetic fluxes are formed in, for example, a "KLEIN bottle". Look at yourself in the end. The human body is formally a torus. Everything that is digested is thrown into the stomach in order to gain potential on the outer shell of the body. You absolutely understand and assert that to "prop up" is not to rest your feet on a stubborn wall, which will not give more power, but will create an energy density at the point of emphasis. And by creating successively, according to known regularities, magnetic fluxes in magnetic space, it is possible to infinitely increase the density of these magnetic fluxes. This means that you no longer need to look for a source of potential formation on the bipolar part of the circuit. He himself will look for it. It is only necessary to provide it with a capacity or a circulating relationship in the "loop". But the circuit is not current, but magnetic fluxes.
            You see, electric current in the general scientific sense is created by known methods and techniques. We are talking about a method that previously could not be used at all. The potential difference in the conductor, which is both induction and capacitive el. device, is formed by the fact that the ends of this device move with the maximum possible speed difference. It's just like white light. The magnetic fluxes around this device are still amplified by the fluxes of the medium in which they move. This means that a system of algorithms has been built as processes that create only positive extremes. To everything else, I will clarify that one of the tasks was to determine the causes that contribute to the destruction of materials at ultrahigh speeds or equivalently with the maximum possible potential difference and current not caused by an external effect on this potential difference. At the same time, creating the possibilities of using this opposing factor in the positive use of it to create a non-destructive device. process. I think it is clear to you that the conversation is exclusively about the totality of the complex of processes, including inside the material and in the ionization stream. Here is the answer to you that EMF can be created in any solid material that is in bipolar connection with the substance of the mobile medium. The only question is the variability of the goal and the task - what and to what extent we want to use the potential energy of the solid part and the hydro-gas-dynamic part of the process. Obviously, I repeat myself, saying that the possibility of transforming the radial radiation vector into a linear one is created in the radioactive material, and any material, to varying degrees, depending on the controllable possibilities, allows you to create this longitudinal radiation vector.
            Power is generally a very exaggerated and particularly applicable concept. For low potential processes it can be used, but for highly dynamic processes, by no means.
            1. ramsi
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              30 November 2014 13: 57
              no, I can't keep up with you - keep up with me: there is a significant difference between the movement of our body in a stream of metal filings and in a stream of air; in the first case, the magnetic field generated from the inside may be reasonable (in magnitude) to push the sawdust out of the way, but in the second, it must be much larger; if we take plasma as a reference point, then it still needs to be formed - after roughly accelerating, and besides, its energy (magnetic) potential must also be very high for "internal" counteraction
              1. +1
                30 November 2014 16: 34
                Try to argue not how this or that physical event occurs, but how you would organize it, relying on the search for the most efficient arrangement of these algorithms as events. Example with met. sawdust and air are somewhat more difficult to understand because there is a coordinated physical. event with its three participants. To do this, you need to submit, at a minimum, a system of such a mat. analysis that takes into account, we will say so and multitasking and the multiplicity of processes and their multiplicity of decisions. In addition, it would be worth explaining how the polarization process itself occurs. This is not a trivial contact, but a dynamic process of contact of flows, which form the growth of this potential difference as a result of interaction. Here you also need to see geometric processes.
                I’ll try to explain this. First met. Sawdust cannot be a space forming substance. The reasons are that it is impossible to create such a fractal space from these substances that would preserve their properties as a metal. This means that there will always be a third substance with properties and which will consistently form an interaction with both the body and the sawdust and itself manifest a complex of properties. In addition, the flow met. again, the behavior of their magnetic field will again vary in how it is formed in the kinetic energy of the flow and potential energy in each particle. Obviously, both the body and the sawdust and the ionization medium itself will undergo polarization. Therefore, plasma breakdown will occur first from the body to the sawdust, but these sawdust themselves will contribute to the growth of the potential difference with the medium. It follows from the foregoing that, nevertheless, the dominant factor should be how we are able to analyze everything together, in groups and in parts. This is a topic for another discussion. And of course, that I am reasoning with you and also trying to comprehend the truth, and in no way affirm my absolute truth.
                1. ramsi
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                  30 November 2014 17: 08
                  sawdust is for you to understand how much I understand you; further, I don’t understand about a bipolar conductor with different speeds at the ends (is it a moving body with an exhaust torch? ..), but even so, then pushing the plasma off the front of the positive pole, will it not attract it, which flows around it from the sides back negative, slowing down the movement?
                  1. +1
                    30 November 2014 18: 08
                    Quote: ramsi
                    I don’t understand about a bipolar conductor with different speeds at the ends

                    To be honest, I did not understand either.
                    1. +1
                      30 November 2014 18: 29
                      Dear Forgive me, but it is impossible to open fundamental solutions on the site of such discussions, which by the way are not unique, because even the solution itself is not very, very significant, and the method of creating the energy density, as the space formed between the cathode and anode, is more important. And more precisely, between processes associated with magnetic dynamic flows. After all, a whole range of physical experiments confirm this. But we do not see this. And therefore it is not your fault that you did not understand. After all, no one condemns humanity for the fact that its pundits continue to use the natural series of numbers only as one algorithmic process of constructing calculations. And at the same time they do not bother to be imbued with understanding, primarily the relationship of numbers. At least one wonders - why are nine numbers in the primitive row, and not otherwise.
                  2. +1
                    30 November 2014 18: 14
                    I don’t think so! In general, we are talking about such processes that do not have an exhaustive interpretation. There are concepts about the state of matter or body. But! No one is able to simulate one very exceptional state - this is when any body is in a highly dynamic state of displacement relative to another substance forming the environment. Therefore, based on the question that YOU asked, I note that you have touched upon the fundamental task of analyzing what is a minus or a cathode and what is a plus or anode. But this is the same thing. Only these two concepts are determined by the spatial individual disposition of the comparison of the same definition, phenomenon, or call it whatever you like. And this means that, firstly, the magnetic fluxes around the solenoid or the same rod move completely differently as it is interpreted to us in textbooks and in experiments with sawdust we do not see the obvious, but the most important thing. This means that the plasma breakdown in front of the hyperspeed object in front of it is formed not simply by the ionization process of the outflow of this medium relative to the outflow surface, but by the way this polarization and accumulated potential are distributed over the body of the moving object. That is, it is quite obvious that the rockets are destroyed due to forces when the ionization potential in front of the same rocket does not form a closed loop in its rear part. And propulsion systems with a plasma torch only intensify the destruction of the "rod" in the part where the geometrical combination of the "cathode" and "anode" borders. And all this does not find harmonious closure of the contour with the medium, which forms the ionization potential of the entire rocket body.
                    The conclusion is clear. Modern scientific approaches do not solve the problem. And the plasma in front will only move to a certain level of the body body until the material is destroyed. Well, remember where the metal rod or block of wood is destroyed in Hutchinson's experiments, and first at TESLA. And most importantly, how this destruction occurs and due to what correlative current parameters.
                    1. ramsi
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                      30 November 2014 19: 08
                      I'm trying to simulate a purely practical problem and slip it to you, because theoretically it is not even very interesting how it works. I can understand that the entire plasma flow around the aircraft is positively charged, while the apparatus itself is a "minus", therefore, apart from the spherical magnetic field inside, nothing sane in this idea works, but even with such a possibility, the idea looks technically dubious
                      1. +1
                        30 November 2014 19: 35
                        This is normal! I also remember the stages in the formation of my perception and how I tried to get away from stereotypes and my individual inability to see the obvious. After all, a test of imagination about how the rod can move at different speeds at the ends is the simplest engineering, I would say school, task. But you need to form an imagination on the perception of movement and planes and local spaces. It is not in vain that I devote much effort to theoretical reasoning. The human brain can and should be developed systemically, and then it, as an analytical tool, works very efficiently. By the way, no computer is able to work so rationally. We neglect this.
                        Look here. Whether the plane can be charged all positively, which means it has an appropriate vector of magnetic fluxes having an obvious effect. This is impossible at the core. After all, the outer plane goes into the inner. This means that magnetic fluxes cannot be only radial. Not to mention that only radial vectors have many variations. And then, what is a spherical magnetic field. This is that monopoly. Or do you think that the gravitational vector can always be balanced on the plus and minus in relation to this sphere.
                        As for the doubtfulness of the technical idea, one can argue. What makes a technical idea appealing?
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                        30 November 2014 20: 11
                        Quote: gridasov
                        What makes a technical idea appealing?

                        An attractive technical idea is made possible by the solution by implementing this idea of ​​any urgent problem or task.
                        I just do not understand whether an electromagnetic field generator can appear in an aircraft capable of realizing your idea? How much power should this generator have? After all, in fact, you propose to control the physics of the process, that is, the plasma formed on the aircraft surface, to increase the speed of the aircraft, and to obtain a kind of electro-magnetic "lubricant". An analogue is the movement of a Shkval rocket in an aquatic environment. But there, to achieve very high speeds - for this environment - air is used, and you, as I understand it, propose using an electromagnetic field, or, rather, using an electromagnetic field to control cold plasma on the aircraft surface?
                        This is a very interesting idea, if only plasma really forms in the air when an object moves with hypersonic speeds? In theory. of course should be formed. And it is the EM field that arises when this slows down the aircraft, preventing it from accelerating in the previous mode. Research and experience are needed.
                      3. +1
                        30 November 2014 21: 49
                        And why not, if you use the external environment to create energy density as a source of ionization and potential distribution over the body of an object. Let me remind you once again that a breakdown in the form of lightning is a process of leveling the balance of the interaction potential of various radial layers of the medium. And KIRLIAN potential is the level of support for a constant relatively stable ensuring the viability of every living object.
                        A flurry is not just moving in an air shell in a water environment. It moves towards the potential formed by the contact of the torpedo head with the medium, which forms the relationship.
                        The question, after all, is that the physics of the process of dropping masses for jet propulsion is the same as the physics of the process of moving an object toward the potential of attraction. Only here and there the whole difference is the processes associated with magnetic fluxes and energy density. Already we will, in a simple way, express ourselves.
                      4. ramsi
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                        30 November 2014 20: 19
                        but I remember that the spherical field has an axis, + and -, I understand that the rod can rotate around one end, therefore I assume that the idea is technically doubtful, well, it’s not possible to shoot foam around, or as you say there are maximum extrema .. .
                      5. +1
                        30 November 2014 21: 29
                        We will probably say that the magnetic fluxes generated around the sphere have radial vectors of magnetic fluxes. But! A spherical magnetic field always has two poles, consisting of two hemispheres. Now imagine that the sphere has a potential concentrated at a point, and on the surface of the sphere there is a surface potential. So that's it. Ball lightning is an electromagnetic object of just such a form of interaction. Then the potential difference between this point and the surface at the corresponding level, form a plasma breakdown over the entire surface with the outer space. And this makes the fireball stable until it comes into contact with the object of the "directional" vector of interaction.
                        Plasma has different characteristics. In fact, the breakdown level in the form of a process as balancing the potential of the circuit and the plasma of the level of support of the potential difference for the moving object, these are different processes. Therefore, completely different processes should not be combined. If the object of movement moves due to the internal engine, then at certain speeds destruction is inevitable. If we use our technology, then the internal potential in the object forms magnetic processes that will not accumulate potential until breakdown. I think it should be clear.
                        I will give an example. This is not much covered, but it is obvious that the hadron collider has problems in this aspect. By increasing the power of induction coils, the level of the aggregate fractal potential is reached, which breaks through to Earth. And it is impossible to find an insulator. There are simply limits to potential interaction.
                        So it is in the object of superdynamic motion. You cannot use the source of movement as an autonomous one, and we discussed this otherwise destruction is inevitable. Therefore, talking about the doubtfulness and validity of our method is premature. The turbine operates in a mode above the fracture limits of the material. And there is a justification for this, and the experimental evidence is secondary and we do not even position it.
  10. 0
    29 November 2014 12: 33
    About weapons such as carriers of nuclear weapons, missile defense and hypersonic missiles, it is impossible to say anything about their true effectiveness. Because they, in principle, cannot be tested in combat conditions, and testing in parts and in individual systems is fortune-telling on coffee grounds. It is impossible to know or model how many maneuvering warheads will break through the American missile defense: all or none. It is also impossible to find out how effective the American missile defense will be, whether it will be able to bring down all goals or not bring down any. The same goes for hypersonic missiles. For example, for submarines, the launch speed of all missiles is critical. But the USSR only shot once in one gulp, while nearly ditching the submarine, and the Americans did not dare to once repeat this experience. And in the strategic plans both we and they lay only volley fire. And we and the Americans just throw money into the void and scare each other with figs in their pockets.
  11. +3
    29 November 2014 13: 18
    In parallel with this business, it is necessary to develop, as well, means of detecting and intercepting such disgrace.
  12. +1
    29 November 2014 15: 17
    Enemies who lacked a number have experienced the power of the Russian Arms used by the Russian Soldier ... We are again not allowed to live in peace, there is something to answer (in Holy Russia, left-handed geniuses were, are now and will be further). We would have to lead society to an understanding of the moment, so to speak, of the current, we just crawl through the dashing 90s - well, again, how will everything be in June 41st ???
  13. 0
    29 November 2014 17: 41
    Quote: Jurkovs
    About weapons like carriers ...


    I repent - I wanted to plyusanut - yes the mouse failed, so do not blame me ...
    ((
  14. Chetlander
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    29 November 2014 18: 45
    If you cannot keep it at hyperspeed for a long time, then why can't you accelerate it to hyperspeed at the very end of the flight?
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      29 November 2014 19: 00
      Here lies. We can, we will fly. And then you can not hold for a long time. They will know the reasons for the destruction of the aircraft at such speeds and you can fly forever. The reasons are commonplace. Phenomena identical to how it collapses and where the wing collapses.
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        29 November 2014 19: 24
        But the point is also that the theoretical foundations make it possible to speak of effective motion at any relative speed, not only in air or water, but also in any other "continuous" media. The principles are the same everywhere.
    3. Petrovi42202
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      29 November 2014 23: 46
      This is what ICBMs do at the final stage of flight.
      1. Chetlander
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        30 November 2014 00: 01
        A marine rocket has a speed of 7 km per second flying to a ship, which is 4 times higher than that of an American hyper-speed rocket.)) But there is something to strive for. If you manage to improve the rocket, you can still increase the speed by a third.
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    29 November 2014 22: 06
    During the flight, which lasted for six minutesrocket X-51A has developed a speed of Mach 5,1 and, flying a distance of 426 kilometersself-destructed.


    Maybe six seconds?
  16. ded10041948
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    29 November 2014 22: 45
    Is it possible to handle physical quantities more carefully? The Mach number is not constant and depends on the flight altitude and a whole bunch of natural factors, and 300 meters per second cannot be considered the speed of sound (this value corresponds to truth only in a very small range of heights). Otherwise, the Tu-104, like its prototype Tu-16, is supersonic aircraft! (Reached speeds of 1000 - 1100 km per hour)
    1. +3
      29 November 2014 23: 03
      Beware, or you may run into "compliments" like me. When you explain to people that calculations based on the Novier-Stokes equations and the Reynolds number are very exaggerated and not even close to reality calculations, and besides, these are always particular solutions without taking into account the dynamics of the transformation of physical events, then what you just will not hear in your address. Therefore, the MAXA number is an absolutely empirical value. At different speeds, there is a process absolutely identical for a specific set of situations. This means that the analysis can and should be carried out only at the level of algorithmic laws. Complexity of analysis is still a problem that mathematicians will have to solve.
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        2 December 2014 15: 06
        So do you think the decimal system is not very suitable for such calculations? Then which one is suitable? And how many are there, other than binary?
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          2 December 2014 16: 14
          The modern decimal calculus system allows you to use only a linear algorithm for the relationship of numbers. In other words, humanity uses the only and always linear method of constructing calculations, or the equivalent to this.
          - the whole mathematical analysis is constructed in the same way. Is it really not clear that all calculations of "constants" are moving linearly to "nowhere". At the same time, decimal, or rather decimal only in the first radial fractal level, allows you to always have and receive exhaustively accurate and interconnected calculations and analysis within the capacity of possible options. Moreover, what are called scale invariant structures are actually dynamic systems, when the number flows begin to show the properties of energy and potential in all types of symmetry in the space that the structure forms (in other words, the properties of multipolarity). The architecture of work is also built on linear principles modern machine methods of processing codes as information. At the same time, it is not at all difficult to build precisely radial fractal calculations based on new fundamental principles. Then the obvious calculations will always be able to manifest a complex of not obvious processes. The properties of such computation systems combine both numbers and geometry, both vectors built on the series of these numbers, and potential, as an element of physics. It is very important that fractal transitions and interactions of computations are possible precisely on the basis of physical dynamic principles.
          So, it is understanding of the new principles of such dynamical systems that allows us to quite positively argue that in addition to the decimal system of calculations, more capacitive numerical bases are possible.
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            3 December 2014 05: 48
            I realize that everything consists of energy, and matter is only a programmed state of energy. Our thoughts are also quite material, because this is the same programmed state of energy. It is difficult to imagine energy in its purest form. If there is one basis, then both magnetic and gravitational fields are material. And space and time? Not talking about their materiality. Interestingly, in linear terms, they tend to infinity. And I see a contradiction here, because that which has a beginning or is measured is already inherently limited and must have an end. But how will space be perceived in radially fractal computation, if possible.
  17. +1
    3 December 2014 12: 38
    First, you need to try to understand what energy is. And since energy is a property and a state of space, this means that it is a complex and dynamic process of transforming one state into another. Energy can be perceived only as either a balanced state of processes or through the properties that it manifests in the process of imbalance. BUT!!! how and how to combine all this. and space and processes. Very simple . By combining number, geometry and physics as momentum or intersection points of algorithmically directed processes. This means that magnetic lines of force are not a field — these are flows with a directivity density and interaction potential with other flows and their fractal levels.
    If you are able and willing to understand that time is a property of space, and if we have the ability to analyze all changes in space by this number, etc., TIME becomes an algorithmic process that determines the development of energy events.
    And the last thing. People are self-deceived. Space always strives for energy balance, and therefore for the geometric shape of the SPHERE. Therefore, whatever metric size the space will be, it is SPHERICAL. And in the sphere, two identical parallels cannot be drawn. Because . that it is impossible to draw two lines with the same radius in the same plane. Output. An endless straight line is an illusion. And the beam of light is deflected. It means that a person sees in space is a deceptive illusion. Rather, it was obviously this picture, but its reality algorithm is not perceived by us, that is, we see something algorithmic past. And the new conclusion is that in the case of high-potential processes, straight lines cannot or cannot be algorithmic energy processes in a "straight line".
    The radial fractal space of our brain is identical to how the information world is arranged. We are able to perceive only that which corresponds to our capabilities and structure and methodology, etc. And if it is possible to perceive IM, as well as to me, then all others are capable of this. And this is obvious.
    1. +1
      5 December 2014 10: 54
      "since energy is a property and state of space" Involuntarily one wonders: what is space? Space is primary, and everything consists of space, perceiving a certain form or information? Time is not the coordinate of space, but its property? If we perceive time as a property of space, it turns from abstraction into something real, not existing outside of space and, it turns out, is not completely amenable to linear calculations. But, it seems to me, time has a beginning, and therefore space does not last forever?
      "People are self-deceived. Space always strives for energy balance, and therefore for the geometric shape of the SPHERE." Most likely it is, but for us all the same size matters. That is, the sphere is so large that, with our limited perception, the lines are quite straight, in any case, the error tends to zero. So our perception is quite real.
      1. +1
        5 December 2014 12: 24
        You are right to point out that time has a beginning but also an end. If you interpret the time. As we say about it, and that it is a sequence of information processes and events, then time has an important property - These are the limits of information saturation or density within the framework of dynamic changes. That is, all informational events within this "beginning and end" of time are determined by the capacity of this information saturation, etc. This means that all this can again be described mathematically.
        I'll tell you honestly. that we discovered new properties of numbers. And after that a very simple conclusion followed that a person is "blind" in his perception of reality. We seem to be mesmerized and see only what we are "ordered" to see. Therefore, we are talking about a new mathematical analysis, which in a simple way allows you to analyze highly dynamic and high-capacity information processes in a complex and different times or processes occurring in different dynamics of changes in the saturation of events and their changes.
        Try to understand that at the same time, within the analysis of each individual process, it also has the limits of its energy potential. That is, each event develops in a radial vector of its potential and goes into various new transformations and fractals. This means that the linear size of the sphere determines the energy. and the density of information processes taking place in it. I understand all my naivety to explain what, in principle, can be perceived only telepathically. After all, what is this principle. That you and I know the methodology of complex analysis and you and I use it. Therefore, for dialogue it is enough for us only to determine the direction of reasoning in the relationship. And each of us reproduces the analysis complex himself. After all, all mathematics is now based on the search for certain mathematical solutions, it is not known in what and uncertain limits of their capabilities. The new method of mathematical analysis builds the whole space of possible variations and events, and we just have to choose what interests us, and not look for these solutions in our assumptions and guesses, and even more so inaccurate and exaggerated calculations. A person perceives the world on the basis of associations and postulates affirmed in his mind. It is much more interesting to carry out perception on the same form at the level of energy interactions. You always see the possible limits of any process in the form and quality that you perceive.
  18. +1
    5 December 2014 15: 09
    I'll continue a little. Here's a look at how a person analyzes information. Any information object is perceived precisely as an object, and not as part of an algorithm. And the analysis of this isolated event as part of a private decision or event is interpreted only on the basis of emotional or intellectual association. That is, regarding some systemic guidelines (moral, ethical, experience, etc.). And at the same time, information that, for example, contradicts perception, is discarded and received with hostility. At the same time, if you use the method of our analysis, then in a simple way you need to perceive absolutely everything that is obvious and try to see a complex of unobvious events (in general, there is a separate part of the method for amplifying flows and compaction of incoming information), then all information is distributed within the framework of algorithms and energy potential , and which will allow you to see the dynamics and direction of the development of the situation. In this case, I am not talking abstractly. I am describing to you a model of how a mathematical model works. Of course, no formulas and calculations can describe the dynamics of such or other high-potential processes, because they are always particular solutions. And why, at the level of only comparative analysis, which means that we think only from the past, not from the future. Drawing the future and fantasizing based on the past is a completely different process.
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      5 December 2014 17: 45
      "if you use the method of our analysis, then in a simple way you need to perceive absolutely everything that is obvious and try to see the complex of non-obvious events" Gold words! Probably Nikola Tesla saw everything that way.
      Unfortunately, I do not have enough education to conduct a dialogue with you at the same level. But your reasoning is close to me, and I completely agree with your method. The whole picture needs to be built in order to understand particulars.
      "We seem to be mesmerized and see only what we are" ordered "to see." You can’t argue with this, we, as limited creatures, perceive only a part of reality (but still reality), and it is difficult to go beyond that. And, again, I agree with you, you can’t do without intuition (telepathy) here. Therefore, I recalled, as an example, Nikola Tesla, he saw wider than most.
    2. +1
      5 December 2014 17: 49
      And why are nine numbers in the primitive series, and not otherwise?
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        5 December 2014 20: 26
        In short, it is obvious that this is a parameter of that critical capacity of information events. which can be carried out precisely in this place of space and time as an event. Indeed, for our existence we need some critical conditions not only of the internal state, but also of the external. If you come across a field of vision, then the MAYA Indians have a numerical series of, as it is humanly said, consists of thirteen numbers. NOT numbers thirteen, but systemically constructed in the interactions of numbers forming a cyclic algorithm not after the nine, but after the number, which essentially need to be given new names. A person generally sees numbers and nat. a series in the form of a linear algorithm, but from these numbers it is possible to construct not only a certain numerical space or a geometric figure with points of interference coupling with the external space, so to speak, but also at the corresponding level of this dynamic connection. T.E Nat. the series can be represented in the form of an identical system of magnetic force flows, based on a basic definition and concept. And that means in the form of a potential difference as a synonym for comparing the relationship between numbers.
        Man and mathematicians came up with a lot of mathematical actions in the form of addition, subtraction, integrals, differentials, root, degree, sine, cosine, etc., But these are semantic expressions of the actions that a mathematician wants to implement by manipulating the capabilities of the numbers themselves. It turns out that the numbers themselves can be built into such interactions that all this mathematical toolkit becomes unnecessary, or rather useless when analyzing high-potential physical. processes. Because the modern method of mat. analysis, only partial decisions can be made in their accuracy and certainty, which is determined by the numbers themselves, and not by reasoning such as infinity or chaos. In general, all this is very interesting and unusual.
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          18 December 2014 02: 13
          The MAYA numerical system was created for observing solar cycles and has nothing to do with higher mathematics. After all, did you mean something completely different when you talked about the new properties of numbers? This is much more interesting than the number of Maya. Mankind has not discovered anything better than the decimal system of calculus; it is simple, convenient, universal, ingenious. And there must be an explanation for this. Of course, you can answer that it is ideally suited for our sphere of perception, and our sphere of perception is very limited. But if we create a calculus system that goes beyond our perception, then it will be something fundamentally different, and is unlikely to be like the number series MAYA.
          1. +1
            22 December 2014 12: 01
            Exactly ! Therefore, I have to use the concept that such a methodology is essentially a kind of new kind of mathematical analysis. You see, since I did not invent all this myself, and my task was only to unravel this methodology, many questions arise. For myself, everything is obvious in the answers. BUT to say it out loud and publicly it becomes equivalent to the fact that it either simply goes unnoticed or it is something that opens the way for humanity to a new world of existence. Indeed, specific consumer devices are already behind this.
            I see you are a little interested. Therefore, I repeat that a person’s interest in achieving hyper speeds requires the introduction of new scientific concepts. We entered the world of complex physical transformations when speed became the term and concept of a new state of interactions. Not a static aggregate state of a substance or events, but a state in dynamic interactions. And this means that the formulas and algebraic particular solutions are ma. analysis is impossible. Because it requires always and constantly accuracy and complete certainty in the analysis. But!!! This is a new form of mat. analysis. And then I'm far from an academic mathematician or physicist. Therefore, I see only the key elements of the essence of mathematics and physics.
          2. +1
            22 December 2014 12: 33
            You can try to understand the essence of my thought that we are talking about such a concept that previously simply was not even implied. We are talking about speed mat. analysis. This is not a trivial mechanical increase in the number of solutions per unit time, but the very essence of the analysis methodology allowing solutions to be implemented at a controlled speed.