What army does Russia need today?

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What army does Russia need today?


Twenty years have passed since the complete and final collapse of the Soviet Union. For twenty years, Russia has been compelled to independently respond to new challenges without the help of the so-called "fraternal" republics. And during these twenty years, Russia has already felt the pressure from the West, painful injections from its neighbors, and the pressure of the media. Against the background of these events, there are often cries that the army in Russia is insignificant, that it does not fulfill the duties assigned to it, that it is time to reform it in general so that her mother could not recognize her. These statements are also mixed with whiny exclamations of "patriotically" inclined population strata. They say that we don’t need an army, we ourselves will somehow solve the issues of our security: we will give a bribe to a fierce enemy, he will be left behind.

And how painful it is to look at how two-meter-high children from the army “mow down”, inventing non-existent diseases together with doctors. Today we can confidently say that the Russian army has again become a worker-peasant. Why? Because children of businessmen, politicians, pop stars and other “elite” are not going to serve their Fatherland for at least a good old age. Will, you know, the soloists of the Roots group and the rest of Nikita Malinin run in body armor in the Tver swamps? Do they need it? Better these guys snot pour on the screen - pops. So the children of collective farmers, mechanics and cleaners go to the army. And what do these guys have to do? By the way, most of them are not even going to evade service.

Yes, if you look at historythen this state of affairs in our army took shape a long time ago. Does our society really think that the whole young male generation was eager to fulfill the “international duty” in Angola or Afghanistan? Certainly not! If we analyze the lists of dead soldiers during the Afghan war, an obvious picture emerges: about 90% of the dead soldiers in military service are children from all the same working families who did not have to choose. They had neither the thought nor the opportunity to bribe the local military registration and enlistment office of the local “tsarka” with a pair of big stars on their shoulder straps to stay at home.

It turns out that the Soviet, Russian army was with a certain percentage of rotten. If you want to serve - please, you do not want - too, please - you can and agree. Not for nothing, we have a lot of low-paid medical workers and lovers of easy money among the staff of the military commissariats. In our time, rotten only became more.

If you ask a simple question to cadets of military schools, as they say, without cameras and witnesses about why they enrolled in a military college, the overwhelming majority will answer: to get an apartment and retire earlier. It is strange to hear from young people about retirement. This is somehow not human. About the honor of the uniform, the valor of the Russian officer, it is even funny for current cadets to speak or, as they say now, "dumb." Such a lieutenant will get to the troops, and how he is going to raise the morale of the soldier. Perhaps with his stories about his bright future with a certificate for a two-room apartment or a military pension. Yes ... From this perspective, the soldiers certainly will rise from the trenches and rush to the enemy ...
Paraphrasing the words of a famous commentator, let's say: “We don’t need such an officer ...”

The state persistently speaks about increasing the monetary allowance of servicemen, about increasing the number of benefits for their families, about other benefits. But in many military units the conditions of service are close to medieval. When the toilet is located on the street in 50 m from the barracks, and the one that is in the barracks, has been clogged for several months and exudes a terrible stench, then it is not necessary to talk about combat readiness, but about personal survival at the station's location. From the television screens we are told that there is a large-scale rearmament of the Russian army, but in fact we do not even have qualified pilots, tank crews and other representatives of military professions who can weapons to manage. And if there is, then they have no place to carry out advanced training, because training continues on the old technology with the old military dogmas.

Why are there combat readiness when the soldiers are fed with canned dog food, and the commanding fathers put dollar packs in their pockets. What kind of rearmament, if instead of the new machine guns supplied to the troops, our soldiers are given a weapon with which their fathers and even grandfathers took the oath. I remember an episode from the movie “9 company”, when a soldier was handed a machine gun with a curved barrel, the owner of which, they say, “heroically died”.

Here you need not to fall into tearful tantrums, but together look for and find a way out. If the army has no core at all, and even the most meager public control is absent, then anything can be expected from such an army, but not protection. The modern army does not need contract rescuers to whom the enemy can pay a large amount and they will go over to his side, armies need public support and real public control. Let us not sprinkle ashes on our heads, but rather try to return the image of the real defenders of the Fatherland to the image of the Russian soldier and Russian officer.
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  1. hundert
    0
    24 August 2011 09: 27
    A non-serving citizen draws conclusions based on information gathered from the media?
    Very very...
  2. 0
    24 August 2011 09: 34
    Empty talk is nothing ..
  3. +1
    24 August 2011 09: 37
    As Kozma Prutkov used to say, "look at the root!" And the "root" is that money rules the world. Now Russia is ruled by the world financial and industrial oligarchy. Our power is just a puppet in the hands of the West. As long as the current "elite" is in power, the systematic plunder of the country, the curtailment of scientific programs, the decline in the level and quality of education, health care (especially for the poor), deceiving and soldering of the population, the collapse of the Armed Forces, etc. will continue. The world does not need a strong Russia, it needs our resources, a market for artificial food and cheap liquor, a place to dump its waste. Even the tsar-father said: "Russia has only two allies: the army and the navy." Our power is destroying these allies with our own hands. For whom does it (the government) work? The answer is clear even to a student.
    1. 0
      24 August 2011 10: 17
      Alexander III said this ... But the statement is true!
      1. 0
        24 August 2011 12: 57
        Yes, of course, Alexander III, was mechanically mistaken ...
    2. 0
      24 August 2011 22: 11
      Russia is not a puppet, it is de facto just a colony run by local staff of the Kremlin East India Trading Company ...
      I would also advise you to recall the circumstances of the Opium Wars in order to understand what the former Soviet empire, now called the Russian Federation, but essentially not a state, ended up in ...
  4. Old Cat Basilio
    +5
    24 August 2011 09: 49
    Why not introduce a law according to which a citizen who has not served in the army cannot be elected to local and federal authorities and hold public office. Or will the howl about "human rights" rise again ?!
    1. +1
      24 August 2011 11: 02
      It still does not help. The children of the powerful of this world will serve in the musical companies of the Arbat military district.
      1. Old Cat Basilio
        0
        24 August 2011 12: 03
        Not enough balalaika!
        1. +1
          24 August 2011 16: 04
          This is like a joke we had in the Soviet army.
          Ask the ensign:
          -He'll kick you out of the army, where will you go?
          -In the fire department.
          -And from fire expelled?
          -To the police
          -And from the police?
          -Yesomes stuck? I will not work anyway!

          So here, not balalaika so pipes, still will not truly serve.
    2. +1
      24 August 2011 13: 54
      Honestly, I only "FOR" only a person who has completed military service could occupy certain leadership positions and participate in elections, etc. and there is no need to talk about any human rights ... where are these rights? in Libya? in Iraq? in Yugoslavia? were you in Tskhinval? Human rights are a myth imposed by the West ...
    3. +1
      24 August 2011 20: 16
      So laws are passed by those who do not want their children to serve
  5. Garfield
    +1
    24 August 2011 10: 20
    It is necessary to return the laws of the 60s conscripts of the Army 3 years of the Navy 4 years.
    1. Stiffmaister
      0
      24 August 2011 17: 18
      Look, the man is right in saying, and they put him 2 minuses! Oh, we do not want to serve the Motherland, we don’t want ... In tsarist times, we served for 25 years. Of course, I don’t agree with this period, but a year will not be enough!
      1. Garfield
        0
        24 August 2011 23: 47
        And how can you become a pro (on everyone's lips - okuenno - proffffffi army) during the period of service we see 5-10% of the formation of a male personality. How many conscripts are currently serving? And why did the last call (2011 - for the slow-witted) "not take place" in Chechnya? How many conscripts were there? (about 7 thousand) And how many were called? (zero). Patriots are crappy!
        That is why it is necessary to look with the envy of a "tough patriot" at the "IDF", there are patriots! And the rest are just soldiers - like their homeland !!! Although I don't like Jews!
      2. +1
        25 August 2011 09: 52
        in tsarist Russia there was no service for 25 years! There were strict selection criteria and not everyone was taken. During the service, the soldiers were trained not only how to wave and shoot with a saber, but also literacy. By the beginning of the twentieth century, Russia was one of the most influential countries in the world, both economically and militarily, and not only! Learn the story! and not the one that was leaked to us from the west and written by all kinds of corrupt skins ...
  6. mitrich
    +1
    24 August 2011 10: 23
    I tried to get something interesting here, but the comment did not go through. I only note that I have NEVER met ANY Army jolt clogged by what the author of the article mentions. I saw him at the train stations, but not at the army barracks.
    And one more thing: I’m not a sociologist, but I don’t think that 20-year-old cadets are so directly sleeping and see when they retire, to which they are like cancer in China ...
    1. 0
      24 August 2011 12: 26
      Unfortunately, there are such shocks and cadets who came to receive only free high-quality education.
      1. mitrich
        +1
        24 August 2011 12: 40
        At district assembly points - perhaps, but in parts - I don't believe.
        FIGS.
        You are positioning yourself as an officer, which means that you should represent the situation. Well, let’s put an officer who is overwhelming and scored a service with the device, but so that the old-timers would allow their noble asses to sit on shitty jerks? I do not believe.
        Give the part number where you saw this!
        1. 0
          24 August 2011 14: 26
          My military school.
          I tried such a toilet myself. Due to frequent repairs of the sewage system and poor water supply to the upper floors of the barracks, the toilets were closed.
          The alternative was a toilet in the form of a brick one-story building 20 meters long, in which were located (back to back) the so-called "glasses" (emphasis on the letter o) 30 pieces. Everything was constantly flowing onto the floor and the smell was right, and we were with prima in the lips they jumped over the dry islets of tiles to the place, sometimes the smoke from cigarettes washed out all the siluets, so finding a free space became a problem. It was worse in winter, at -30, the pipes burst, the water flowed out into bizarre stolnits, and the legs were constantly in "kirzachs" The students who did not pass the summer exams received shovels, gas masks, a set of OZK and carried out a long and painful PCB, then the pipes were welded and the leaks were eliminated.
          It was interesting both in the bathhouse and in the dining room. Now you see how the soldiers are fed, you understand that they live, like Christ had in pzuhoy.
          1. 0
            24 August 2011 20: 20
            Well, that’s how you got it. In our SVIUS and then in the army, the toilets are cleaner than the author’s dining table.
  7. +2
    24 August 2011 10: 56
    And what’s wrong with the author is that young officers think about normal living conditions for their family, about the prospect of growth (the soldier who does not dream of becoming a general is bad), about a well-deserved pension, finally. Or does he think that they should live in hostels at military camps and serve for a penny?
  8. Siberian
    +4
    24 August 2011 11: 40
    By the way, as a teacher at VU, I can say that not future apartments and accelerated pensions are held in high esteem by the current cadet. In addition to the traditional values ​​of Russian officers (service to the Fatherland, its protection, self-sacrifice, etc., which these guys have not disappeared anywhere), the opportunity to receive a FREE higher education is a huge advantage. Military higher education is no worse than civilian, take my word for it. There is constant communication with teachers from neighboring civilian universities - there is nothing to compare with.
  9. dmb
    +4
    24 August 2011 12: 32
    Mitrich's commentary on the "aftershocks" is absolutely correct. For this, it is not the army that needs to be reformed, but the toilet to be cleaned. And, as far as the principle of social justice is concerned, the elimination of delays for continuing education is absolutely right. It's no secret that a huge percentage go to universities, just for her sake. And this is not only the lack of staffing in the Armed Forces, but also a huge waste of budget money on people who, for the most part, will become "sales managers". Those who want to study will do so after the army.
    1. Old Cat Basilio
      +1
      24 August 2011 13: 02
      And here, dmb, social justice and deferral from the army? Who, in the end. prevents to call the same graduate of a university or college after graduation? Or do you think that an 18-year-old infantile and dystrophic recruit who needs to be fed at public expense is an acute threat to a potential adversary? Under the tsar-father, by the way, they were called up at the age of 21. I myself, after high school at 23, went to the "armada", served from bell to bell (and received "wicks". And scrubbed latrines, etc., etc., however, I did not allow massacre in my address, because then he was closely engaged). Now I remember my army youth with pleasure.
      1. dmb
        0
        24 August 2011 13: 13
        Well, thank God, even though you were involved in sports. Who was infantile and underfed in 18, he will not differ much in 23. And social justice lies in the fact that after graduating from a university a graduate will even less want to serve. He had already married, he was promised a prestigious job. And no one will keep a place for him. In the courtyard of capitalism. The employer doesn’t care. He makes money. And let's admit that a person receives professional skills in the last courses, and for him and for the employer it is desirable that he fix them immediately, and not after a year. (Persons do not count, I'm talking about the general principle).
      2. +2
        24 August 2011 14: 13
        In principle, you can call after the university, only at the age of 21-24, most healthy men have families and children, and it is somehow not quite right to separate the husband and father from the family. I think you need to call at 18 years old, without any delay, (of course, except for health) for 2 years. He himself served this way, after the first year of university he was drafted into the Soviet army. After serving, he recovered to the 1nd year and continued his studies, and there is nothing wrong with that. Yes, and the army must, of course, be staffed according to the mixed principle: conscription + contract.
        1. Old Cat Basilio
          0
          24 August 2011 14: 37
          Dear Ordnung, if you remember, in the Soviet school there was a system of so-called. initial military training, which was carried out by retired senior officers (some of them took over the Second World War). So after her, the conscript, coming to the army, at least the device "Kalash", SKS and F-1, knew how his pocket. In your opinion, is the current average recruit capable of at least this?
          1. +2
            24 August 2011 15: 34
            I remember, I remember, I had a military instructor in my school called "bobak" .... As for the CWP, both hands are in favor, if only it was not "bureaucratic", gray and dull "equal to attention." Boys at the age of 12-14 need something more exciting, alive, well, I don’t know: trips to military units, schools, the opportunity to touch the military "iron" with their hands, in one word to light it up .... As for today's youth, my opinion, most of them have no incentive at all to "pay back their debt to the Motherland" and this is entirely the fault of the state, which has dropped the prestige of military service "below the floor."
            1. puffnutiy
              0
              29 December 2012 18: 22
              I would say more practice is needed. Terrain orientation, cartography, elements of survival in the forest, handling weapons, shooting from them. The structure and composition of departments. Talk about different types of troops. To revive the circles "Young paratrooper", "... tanker", ".. marine", etc. Introduce badges as in Soviet times for the excellent assembly of the AK for a while, for other similar knowledge. There was a "Ready for PVHO" icon before. Films with army propaganda to play in the classroom. In the spirit of this: Or this one: Do not kick for not promoting our army. I publish what I quickly found and liked.
              We need a healthy balance between practice and theory. NHPs should be taught by former military personnel who have retired due to injury - a particular priority. IMHO.
  10. +5
    24 August 2011 12: 39
    “The image of a warring Russian soldier to the general public is often made blurry and distorted. It is accusatory - blasphemous, then tearful - pitiful. Very rarely respectfully - heroically. ... Hosts of popular television and radio programs, correspondents of demo-free newspapers will call the addressees of the service ... And a rare voice will give ... a worthy rebuke.
    ... But then it was replicated (at one time) ... images of Chechen robins of buzzes like Shamil Basaev are familiar to their disgust. ” (words of the famous military observer, journalist, prose writer and writer Boris Karpov)
    What then to talk about if all the mass consciousness is formed by the filthy sold media ... and no matter what our army is now ... these media will be trampled into the dirt ...
  11. mitrich
    +1
    24 August 2011 12: 49
    Actually, the article is not deep, although the local Gundos should like it.
  12. ZEBRASH
    0
    24 August 2011 14: 35
    If you call at 18, then, after the army, it is more difficult to enter a university - the school curriculum is forgotten. And in the modern world with our worthless education (I know firsthand the student himself), this is important. But even after high school it is also not very good to join the army. There is already as anyone more like it.
    1. Old Cat Basilio
      0
      24 August 2011 14: 47
      Damn, the Unified State Examination generation appeared on this site, which means that not everything is so bad! (Don’t be offended by ZEBRASH, it's me as a joke.)
    2. Svyatoslav
      0
      24 August 2011 15: 29
      I do not agree, if they call at the age of 18, then after the demobilization they give privileges for entering a university. I found out about it, because the graduate himself.
      1. Stiffmaister
        0
        24 August 2011 17: 24
        After the army do not give any benefits, do not lead people astray !!! He almost ended up in the army, okay, at least at the last moment he managed to enter a university. I learned about this whole thing; privileges are given only after 3 years of contract service, then it will be necessary to pass the ECE and enter at the minimum points, and not according to the competition as usual!
        1. Svyatoslav
          0
          25 August 2011 01: 28
          It depends on which university you are going to enroll. For example, in the Nizhny Novgorod branch of the Sochi Tourism Institute there are benefits.
          1. Stiffmaister
            0
            25 August 2011 23: 32
            No, there’s no such thing, that's for sure, just after serving 1 year you have a small chance at the competitive selection, for example, if you and someone else have the same score, then most likely they will choose you, no more.
  13. SAVA
    +1
    24 August 2011 15: 36
    IT IS BETTER TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING IS BAD AND RESOLVE THOUGH THAT TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING IS VERY GOOD AND THERE TO DRINK, WE DO NOT ALREADY LEAVE ANYONE WITH Hats BEFORE YOU BEFORE, ALREADY BEFORE YOU BEGIN.
    1. hundert
      0
      24 August 2011 15: 56
      IT IS LITTLE TO BECOME US NOW - are those who tear off the hair on the head and snot for any reason?
      Yes, do not be afraid, unfortunately, those who believe that it is BETTER TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING IS BAD, has become like a flea on a bitch.
  14. 0
    24 August 2011 16: 03
    For twenty years now, Russia has been forced to independently respond to new challenges without the help of the so-called "fraternal" republics - but has the help ever been invaluable before?
  15. Siberian
    +4
    24 August 2011 16: 10
    The army, of course, needs to have a mixed principle of manning.
    First, the state will not master the fully contracted RA today. A miserable attempt in the late 90s - early 00s burst like a soap bubble. A normal healthy guy does not want to serve (this, in addition to everything else, is also hard physical work and mental stress) for those pennies that he was offered.
    Secondly (and this was conceived in the early 90s), "contras" should hold sergeant positions and those where a sufficiently high qualification is required. These are the Strategic Missile Forces, Air Defense Forces, nuclear submarines. The rest can be taught to the conscript in 3-4 months.
    I agree with the fact that the service life must be returned to the previous two years.
    Recently, one soldier (mechanic-driver-instructor of BMP) complained to me, they say, he just started to understand what's what, and already home.
    And if at school he studied "through the stump with a deck", then he will forget everything in a year. Everyone should be called upon, as in Israel. No government service until you return the debt to your homeland.
  16. +5
    24 August 2011 16: 20
    Quote: "fathers-commanders are putting dollar bundles in their pockets," and then how to ask the cadets about the officer's honor? If such examples of officers are before your eyes ... And when someone is indignant and writes about canine canned food, then they immediately sew to him beating his subordinates. But they do not write anything about the commanders, that they give dog food to the soldiers, do they sit? fired? The Russian army consists of military officers who fought in Chechnya and are now pulling the strap, but most of them are in combat positions, and in the rank of no higher than major, rarely who are colonels and generals. And the Arbat military district, where corrupt creatures sit and dishonor the army. Under the tsar in the navy, an officer, without a swimming qualification, could not grow in ranks, and in the Russian army those who defile along the headquarters corridors grow up in ranks, and then become "hey, colonel!" But the colonel! and not an eternal starley. The next rank should be assigned to an officer when he has not served his term in Moscow, but served his term in the command post in the combat unit, and then it is possible to go to the center, but for the next star on the shoulder straps, please return to service, Then the officers will be competent in combat training, and having served "on the ground" will not steal ...
  17. matolyan
    +2
    24 August 2011 19: 23
    There are no tearful tantrums in the ranks of officers, more apathy and doom. And the problems of our army are the problems of society, a sick society mired in lies, hypocrisy and betrayal. So it is necessary to treat society and the country, and not the sun.
    At the end of the contract, 95% of graduates from the Armed Forces quit here, somehow gathered to commemorate the RV&A Day, one of the boys said that we were all former army officers, he was corrected - officers of the former army. This drives us into despondency, but it also inspires hope, still there would be soldiers, and if necessary we would build an army.
    1. SAVA
      0
      24 August 2011 21: 02
      matolyan YOU ARE SICK SOCIETY RIGHT AND THINKING ABOUT THE ARMY FIRST OF ALL, THINK AND WHO IS NOW IS ABLE TO GO INTO THE ARMY !! ?? AND WHEN YOU ASK WHY DO "COPS" "COVER" DRUGS ??????? THEY ARE THREATENING AND OFFENSE REMEMBERING THEIR MERITS, BUT WHAT GUYS GOT ON THE NEEDLE !!! ??? AND HOW MANY HAVE BEEN BREAKED BEFORE THE ARMY ?! AGAIN ALL "CHURKS" BECAUSE HIS DAD HAS CONNECTIONS IN THE "COPs" AND THE SON IS UNLIMITED, Etc., Etc. WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION TO LIST WHEN ALL THIS IS AND SO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WOULD BE THE OGNITS AND I WOULD LIKE 2-3 GUYS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD DO WITH THEM BECAUSE THERE IS NO BEGINNING PREPARATION AND ANY COUNTERS ".
  18. +1
    24 August 2011 20: 06
    The army must be of a mixed type. Approximately this: you want two years on allowance and is free or 5 years on a contract, after which admission to the university is out of competition and training at the expense of the treasury. Contractors are recruited among 18-20 summers, from whose uncle under 30 and there is not much sense waiting for children at home in a local war (an example of Chechnya). And gentlemen, officers should not see in the conscript a child, but a soldier, not a servant, but a subordinate. In my opinion it’s wonderful, albeit utopian.
  19. zczczc
    +1
    24 August 2011 20: 22
    Russia needs the Soviet army.

    More precisely, such a Soviet army, which would have been if the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics had stood and successfully developed.
  20. 0
    24 August 2011 20: 36
    Everyone should serve, both lame and oblique !! Well, since we are moving to the market so you pay and there will be no questions! After serving a year, you get a salary of 12000, I signed a contract for the next, get 15000. Questions always arise on the topic HOW TO SHARE? And there is money in the country, but this is to put money into defense, and not to build another capital!
  21. +5
    24 August 2011 20: 58
    In pre-Gorbachev times, almost everyone served. The time has come - go ahead. In my unit, there were units with secondary education (drivers, security). The rest is a technical school or several institute courses. And all the students recovered, graduated from universities and, according to their brain capabilities, got settled in life.
    Now, when the score depends on the thickness of the parents ’wallet, it’s ridiculous to hear that military service (a break in studies) will affect the qualifications of specialists.
    What kind of service in the army prodite talent? If he is (and not how his parents think about his child) then he will find his application.
    My son, a miner, had children and professors and generals subordinate. And nothing served like everyone else. Then the army was popular.
    Military service is a civic duty. Forgot Pushkin - you may not be a poet, but you must be a citizen.
    By the way, all our greats were brought up in military establishments from the cradle. And the customs there were such that the Council of Soldiers' Mothers would pull out his hair wherever he could. Nevertheless, the service did not prevent Pushkin from becoming Pushkin and many many others.
    About the article. The author ........ He was not in the army. I heard tales. It carries nonsense.
    It is impossible to judge officers by the military registration and enlistment office, and even then it is impossible to former and military schools. They are few. The main backbone in combat units. And they don’t stuff mosh there.
    Who serves, then not only a pension for the apartment (you need to come up with this), but for the idea, for honor and conscience.
    Well, boys at the age of 17 cannot be as mercantile as the author. Maybe there are - units. But there have always been so many Kibalchish boys and bad boys (A. Gaidar). But the first is much more.
    In short.
    1. The article is a bucket of slops for the army, and the best people of our Russia.
    2. The author send to serve. To clean all the toilets he found dirty.
    1. Old Cat Basilio
      0
      25 August 2011 10: 12
      Sorry, vlbelugin, A.S. Pushkin was always a "shpak" - after graduating from the Tsarskoye Selo Lyceum, he went to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
  22. mitrich
    0
    24 August 2011 21: 25
    VIBELUGIN,
    and I respected you. That's licked, but still nice ...
    PS This is about extreme commentary. Opinions may differ on other topics.
    1. 0
      25 August 2011 10: 27
      Mitrich. In respect, you have long admitted to me. I was under the name Major.
  23. Sokerin
    +1
    24 August 2011 22: 06
    Draft contingent

    http://www.stihi.ru/2010/07/28/6871

    We dreamed of a "workers 'and peasants'" Army - it has been like that for a long time ...


    In our current Armed "forces", there have always been many units, with colonels, even - with generals at the head, who (from the means of communication) have (and did not) have anything but a city telephone.

    These are different: MISA, OMIS, UNR, etc.

    However, the same Nach. MIS fleet was (was) the secretary of the housing commission and the garrison, and the fleet.

    Therefore, in each part there is a "Journal of incoming telephone messages".

    Explaining: When you need to transmit "in part" any information, such as:
    "Tomorrow, at 12.00, in office 1 of the Deputy Commander of the Fleet, ... a meeting of the ZhBK of the garrison of Kaliningrad will take place, ... we are invited to the meeting .... we will" share "apartments in a house ... down the street. ..., cipher number ....
    Why should those invited to have with them .... ", etc., etc.

    The person on duty at such an "office" dials the city number and ("circularly") dictates this text to all "interested" persons (departments, formations, units ...).

    In principle, the usual "dictation" was performed over the phone, which was entered into the journal by the assistant. on duty for the Office, i.e. conscript sailor.

    At 7.40 I had preliminary morning planning, in the field of which the officer on duty at the Department reported on a number of issues, presenting, among other things, the "log of incoming telephone messages".

    It was impossible to read it without tears ...

    In the text, half a page, 30-40 errors each. It was not possible to understand the meaning of the "message" the first time.

    At first he laughed, a month later he was forced to give a command:
    "The sailor writes down the telephone message on a simple sheet of paper, the officer on duty" deciphers "the message, corrects errors in it, the field of which the text is entered into the" journal "itself.

    I always sent my chief of commandant's office to the "naval crew" to personally select "Russians" for myself, and "the most - the most".
    (Lord, they wouldn’t be "suspected" of nationalism!)

    I call the chief of the commandant’s office, p / p - ka Yuzvishina:

    “Every day, your subordinates“ amuse ”me with their“ dictations. ”Do you have no“ literate ”ones? Yuzvishin:

    "Comrade Commander, they are all" like that "...

    Like Stanislavsky: "I don't believe it!"

    After the evening planning, I go to the commandant's barracks, "talk" for about 20 minutes with her "contingent" ....

    "I BELIEVE !!!"

    You can, of course, reduce the service life to 6 months, but I'm afraid that the commanders won't even have time to teach the current "draft contingent" not to wipe the snot with a sleeve ...
    1. mitrich
      0
      24 August 2011 22: 16
      Victor Nikolaevich,
      Do you really think that as of 24.08.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX ANYONE can defeat us?
      Sincerely.
      1. Sokerin
        0
        24 August 2011 22: 19
        What do you mean - "really"? This is not in my post.

        And the state of the Armed Forces is depressing ....
        1. mitrich
          0
          24 August 2011 22: 28
          It just seems to me that a person with your authority (I will keep silent about the title) should stand on state positions ... Here, as they say, "it is right or not right - but this is my country."
          Moreover, you are read by fragile souls throughout the country.
          1. Sokerin
            +1
            24 August 2011 22: 45
            On them, EXACTLY - on the "state", I stand (one of the few), calling things by their proper names, and not quoting "Red Star", in which we are simply incredibly "stronger" ...

            Shagreen skin VVS

            http://www.proza.ru/2010/09/20/910

            Show me a first class pilot,
            Received this mark in this century:
            Pilots disappear in Russia like a caste,
            The love of heaven in man fades away.
            Only the blind do not see how the gray mass
            Amateurs from the service of the thunder of the Air Force
            But preparing pilots is NOT a white race,
            Understanding - victories come from heaven ...
  24. enikey
    0
    24 August 2011 22: 59
    It is precisely such articles that are disastrous for our army. I am now 23 years old, this year I received a higher education, I want to repay my debt to my homeland, but after such articles my "enthusiasm", as they say, is diminishing. It is gratifying that sane officers are present here.
    1. SAVA
      0
      25 August 2011 00: 13
      CAN I TAKE ME ???? I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE "DOLPHIN", IT WILL BE DETECTED AND DESTROYED WHEN THE ROCKETS START, WHY DOES THE GUY KILL THAT? AND SO THE POPULATION IS LESSING, YOUNG TO MARRY MORE CHILDREN SHOULD BE MORE !!!
    2. Imperialist
      -1
      25 August 2011 03: 27
      That’s the whole point, the assholes and defeatists are obscuring the homeland and thereby corrupting society, and then they wonder why all is so bad around, and why there is so little patriotism, why everything is collapsing around why such corruption ???

      Because the devastation begins in the minds when everyone is buzzing about how bad everything is, why be surprised that everything is bad.

      Criticism is the easiest to take everything and criticize it does not require any deep knowledge or effort.

      But to find and translate a positive example to show "how to do it" is more difficult here you have to think about it, it is much more difficult than to take and generalize everything and say that everything is bad.

      Then there is also the principle of the media working, it is profitable for them to publish only negative, because it is better sold.

      That's why it turns out that when in one of the units of the internal troops the soldiers got canned food for dogs, everyone knew about it,

      and when the supply of soldiers, for example through outsourcing of services and more costs has improved, few people will know about it because the media don’t talk about it, because the good news for the media is bad news especially for those who earn money by criticizing themselves.
      1. zczczc
        0
        25 August 2011 10: 17
        Has it improved, nutrition?
        And where will you get the services of civilian catering companies, washing in the war?
      2. One of many
        0
        26 August 2011 00: 52
        it turns out that the officer who discovered the canned food and did not keep silent is the asshole and defeatist? based on your review 4 - this is a positive example. This OFFICER showed how to do it.
        and EVERYONE should know about this.
      3. 0
        26 August 2011 16: 35
        The media is now corruptible has become. Only a blind man does not see this, but our leading and guiding EdRo. Journalists come and look only for fried facts. If you suggest something positive, their mood immediately changes. So they are being taught now. Everyone wants to become a journalist. For this money is paid more and the corresponding fame among housewives. How - throws firewood into the fire of hatred of the army. Patriotism has become an abusive word. We enthusiastically listen to magazines and other frustrated talkers about the need for repentance. For what and to whom? Invite Americans to repent for all crimes committed and committed. I can only sympathize with you at this moment.
    3. 0
      26 August 2011 16: 25
      23 years old and do not have your own opinion? Having a higher education, I hope that it is really obtained by my own labor, and not for money, and so to argue? There is no enthusiasm! At 23, Alexander the Great conquered half the world. And the army does not want to serve spineless, sissy sisters and other riffraff. About 30 years ago, no self-respecting girl would marry, as a rule, marry a man who did not serve in the army. And now ... here they give birth to freaks. And we indulge them. You need to start with yourself and others to set up for military service. I hope that you will serve and serve well, not counting the time lost.
  25. +1
    24 August 2011 23: 39
    E .. your mother! Here, don’t say everything in the subject. Army, army ... What women will go on the attack ??? Read normal books, gain patriotism, stop sniffing and thumping, go in for sports. What snot loosened! !
    The service will not say that with honey, but it will be easier. All the more a year !!! And the officers, so to speak, of "new training" (we are not talking about all, but about the majority) would like to advise that instead of making the borders whitewash to repaint the grass, after all, they were engaged in a young replenishment. Of course, to someone my words will seem ridiculous, but it seems to me in the days of the USSR, they would not laugh at it. Hence we conclude that if it seemed to someone stupid and wild, increase your patriotism and morale!
    Again, I do not impose my opinion on anyone.
    1. 0
      26 August 2011 16: 48
      Your face is patriotic. But reasoning is far from perfect. Train.
  26. Imperialist
    -2
    25 August 2011 03: 11
    The draft army has outlived itself, that’s the thing.

    Conscripts are cannon fodder, what to drive almost more children to fight against experienced thugs ???

    The call is needed, well, it needs to be significantly reduced so that people are not driven into the army but that they would go there willingly and that they would be physically healthy people and, most importantly, mentally healthy people who have the most mental problems right now.

    The majority of the Army should consist of contract soldiers who have combat experience and not who have just received basic combat skills.

    Conscripts are needed mainly only in order to ensure the influx of contract soldiers and reservists into the army, to rely on conscripts in modern wars is not very effective,

    even let the army be reduced to 800 thousand well, let it be high-quality 800 thousand.
    1. zczczc
      0
      25 August 2011 10: 15
      I agree only about being healthy and going to the army with hunting.
      1. +1
        25 August 2011 10: 36
        The draft army is a mobilization reserve necessary for waging a large-scale war.
        The army is designed to parry the first strike. Then mobilization. Deploy cropped parts.
        Now:
        1. Cropped parts disbanded.
        2. There is no one to mobilize, since they did not serve in the army.
        So much for cannon fodder. Remember the scientists, students (militia) near Moscow and Leningrad. Parts of them were knocked out instantly.
        Eternal memory to these people.
        The army that is being formed is now intended for conflict, but not for war.
    2. 0
      26 August 2011 16: 45
      Your reasoning is in your name. We have more than 60 thousand km of land border. And how do you intend to protect it with your 800 thousand people? But this number also includes attendants who will fight in the rear and eat to provide all the warring parties with. We look at the United States and its quantitative composition of the army. And remember what land border they have and whether there are enemies on this border. Look at the map and remember at least one friend on our border. You will not find. Everyone is eager to grab a piece. And under the current leadership, unfortunately they succeed. They gave part of the land there, there are huge pieces of the seas in the USA and Norway. Looking at our stupidity, there are more and more willing people. What do we get to?
  27. enikey
    0
    25 August 2011 14: 34
    100 years ago the same thing happened with the fleet, after the defeat under Tsushima each dog considered it a duty to spit in the direction of the naval officer, then the young Kolchik began to collect money for the new fleet!
  28. makrus
    -1
    25 August 2011 16: 28
    Quote: vlbelugin
    The army that is being formed is now intended for conflict, but not for war.

    For 30 years now, we have been waging local wars with an army designed to jerk to the lamb. All our armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles are imprisoned for these purposes, and we are fighting in the mountains. To say that war really shines on us is not necessary. China and NATO pose a less significant threat to us. We really need reform. I think we have come to the point where it’s better, however, just not like this.
    1. 0
      26 August 2011 16: 56
      Many believe that we need some kind of reform. She’s been in the army for almost 20 years already, or rather, an imitation of some kind of work is going on. And you are wrong in evaluating enemies. Probably heard an anecdote: We got our field-maker Taburetkin question-how are we going to reflect the possible aggression of China. He asks the Minister of Defense of China - are you going to attack us? -No of course. Why. You will surrender everything without war. - You see. They are not going to attack us. Why do we need an army? I can repeat myself, but there are no friends around our country and, probably, they will not arrive in the near future.
  29. C Anto nov
    +2
    25 August 2011 18: 26
    About discrimination of pensioners of the Ministry of Defense
    http://www.democrator.ru/problem/5195
    please support
    1. makrus
      -1
      26 August 2011 00: 17
      ... if you cannot prevent optimization, try to have fun.
  30. pashco
    0
    26 August 2011 00: 09
    And I want to ask Alexey Volodin where did he get the photo for his article?

    pashco.