Ships excluded from the Russian Navy after 2000 of the year

A sad sight will come to your attention: the ships are on their last legs, the ships that will never take to sea. Time is power over everything, and the lack of proper care and maintenance only accelerates the onset of the moment of farewell to the ships ahead of time.

In 90-s. The list of ships with a sad fate to be forgotten and written off was much longer. I hope that this bitter experience will forever be imprinted in the memory of the naval commanders and those who support the Russian Navy, and will not be allowed to repeat it in the future.

Warships, ships, boats and submarines, as well as support vessels withdrawn from the Russian Navy after 2000:

The large atomic reconnaissance ship of the 1st rank "Ural" of the 1941 project. It was part of the Pacific Red Banner fleet. In 2002, expelled from the Navy


BOD "Ochakov" project 1134B. He was a member of the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet. 20.08.2011 excluded from the Navy. And after the "death" was able to serve his country in combat


EM "Rapid" project 956. He was a member of the Red Banner Northern Fleet. In 2012 year excluded from the Navy. 2014 sent for recycling in September


EM "Thundering" project 956. He was a member of the Red Banner Northern Fleet. In December, 2007 was expelled from the Navy.


Guards EM "Gremyaschy" (formerly "Unrestrained") project 956. He was a member of the Red Banner Northern Fleet. 1.12.2012 excluded from the Navy


EM "Combat" project 956. He was a member of the Red Banner Pacific Fleet. In the period from 2006-2010 years expelled from the Navy of Russia


BDK "Alexander Nikolaev" project 1174. He was a member of the Red Banner Pacific Fleet. In 2006 year excluded from the Navy


BDK "Mitrofan Moskalenko" project 1174. He was a member of the Red Banner Northern Fleet. In 2006 year excluded from the Navy


TFR "Ardent" project 1135.2. He was a member of the Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet. In 2012 year excluded from the Navy


TFR "Invincible" project 1135M. He was a member of the Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet. In 2009 year excluded from the Navy


MRK "Zarnitsa" project 1234. He was a member of the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet. In 2005 year excluded from the Navy


MPK "Vladimirets" project 1145.1. He was a member of KCF. By order of the Civil Code of the Navy in October 2014, the ship was expelled from the Navy


РТЩ "РТ-343" of the 12255 project. He was a member of the Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet. In 2011 year excluded from the Navy


РТЩ "РТ-249" of the 10750 project. He was a member of the Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet.


РТЩ "РТ-254" of the 1259.2 project. He was a member of the Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet. In 2014 year excluded from the Navy


РТЩ "РТ-141" of the 1259.2 project. He was a member of the Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet. In 2014 year excluded from the Navy


РТЩ "РТ-139" of the 1259.2 project. He was a member of the Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet. In 2014 year excluded from the Navy


Medium sea dry cargo transport "Turgai" project 740. It was part of the Black Sea Fleet. In 2007-2009 expelled from the Navy


Diving marine boat "BM-122" project 522. He was a member of the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet. In 2009-2010 expelled from the Navy


Trophy ship management "Angara". He was a member of the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet. At the beginning of the 2000-ies expelled from the Navy


SSNP "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" project 667BDR. He was a member of the Red Banner Pacific Fleet. In 2010 year excluded from the Navy


SSBN "Zelenograd" project 667BDR. He was a member of the Red Banner Pacific Fleet. In 2010 year excluded from the Navy


The Borisoglebsk SSBN of the 667BDR project. He was a member of the Red Banner Northern Fleet. In 2012 year excluded from the Navy


APKR "Krasnoyarsk" of the project 949А. He was a member of the Red Banner Pacific Fleet. In 2010-2011 expelled from the Navy


Diesel submarines "Novosibirsk" project 877. She was a member of the Red Banner Northern Fleet. In 2012 year excluded from the Navy


"MPK-178" of the 1124 project. He was a member of the Red Banner Pacific Fleet. In 2012 year excluded from the Navy


Large sea tanker "Vladimir Kolechitsky" project 1559В. He was a member of the Red Banner Pacific Fleet. In 2013 year excluded from the Navy

Comments

[Gans1234]

At first I wanted everything starting from the 93 of the year, but the scale is very large, and the dipresnyak would have covered it completely from such species.
Yes, and do not bomb minuses fart my rating)))

[Starover_Z]

Thanks for the review and further comments!
Although there is nothing to rejoice, sadness and sorrow at the sight of former mighty ships!
"Glory" to "perestroika"

[505506]

Do you have a photo from 1993? I cannot trace the final of "my" ship, SBR-281, project 1799, built in 1972, KVF KTOF.

[pahom54]

Quote: Gans1234

Yes, and dipresnyak would cover in full from such species.

But I see that there are dates of decommissioning already 2012-2014 ... Do I understand correctly that these ships were not just taken out, but something came to replace them? Except, of course, the Ural?
Well, what about the depressed ... It’s a pity, of course, when you look at rusty ships ... But it’s like in life - we, people, are dying too ... So here ... It’s just the time, alas ...

[Gans1234]

Here ships from 2000 to the present day, i.e. "under Putin"
Before that, almost everything was deduced, especially in the first 5 years after the collapse of the USSR. Chic left schemes for allocating funds for disposal were.
What is only the resale of our BDK over the hill, where they are used as bulk carriers
No, they deduced because it is already more expensive to keep them in service or it is already technically impossible.
The most offensive is the incapacitation and dispatch of the Rhinos for scrapping. The Urals were problematic, if not cool, but the Rhinos were the top of the Soviet BDK, and not very old at the same time.

The fact of the matter is that it is understandable-old age is not joy. But many ships were withdrawn due to the fact that they were destroyed prematurely.
There BOD project 61 still use - and the ship is successful, and watched him more or less.

[little man]

For some reason, my ship was not included in the list. And he is not small. KKS "Berezina" 1st rank 20 thousand tons. On pins and needles in 2002.

[Serg65]

[quote = little man] My ship was not included in the list for some reason. And he is not small. KKS "Berezina" 1st rank 20 thousand tons. On pins and needles in 2002.

"Berezina" was a gorgeous ship! How useful he would be in Mediterranean now! I saw him after the accident in the Bosphorus, and the KAMAZ could easily drive into the hole.

[Ascetic]

Quote: pahom54

But I look, there are dates of failure already 2012-2014 ... I understand correctly that these ships were not just put down, but something came to replace them?

If we talk about the nuclear submarine, then, let's say "Zelenograd" and "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky boats project 667BDR "Kalmar" they have already worked out all the terms of operation in the fleet since 1978. Yes, and the ICBM R-29 of the first modifications from about the same time. Newer boats of this project K-44
Ryazan, K-223 Podolsk, K-443 St. George the Victorious are still in service.
Ryazan is undergoing repairs and modernization, Podolsk is in service, in May this year, as part of training, strategic submarines of the Northern and Pacific fleets Tula and Podolsk launched two ballistic missile launches from the Barents and Okhotsk seas. "George the Victorious" is also in the ranks. "
Boats of newer projects are all one way or another listed in the ranks - 667BDRM- 6 units, 09787 "Pomoskovye" converted to the carrier "Losharik", 941-3 units, 955-3 units.
941 project, all three boats are also awaiting decommissioning and disposal...
It turns out that we will have "Borei" under the "Bulava" and "Dolphins" under the R-29RM, R-29RMU2 "Sineva" and R-29RMU2.1 "Liner"

Still Makeev’s design bureau proposed the R-29RMU3 (code “Sineva-2”) for arming the missile-carriers of the Borey project 955, as an alternative to the Bulava missile. In order to minimize changes in the design of the submarine for the R-29RMU3, a "dry" method of launch is proposed. To reduce the length of the rocket, the diameters of the first and second stages will be increased. The mass of the rocket is 41 tons. As equipment, 8 small-class warheads of the ZG-32 power with means to overcome missile defense or 4 new middle-class warheads are offered.

[Seregatim86]

To the Urals, it’s just that a replacement has come; almost, they are installing electronics.

[Interface]

It took only 10 years for the fleet to turn into rusty canned goods.

[Botanologist]

The correct photo report. Science for the future, so that we don’t forget and draw conclusions.

[OST_51RU]

It took not 10 years.
Planned and painstaking work was carried out from the very beginning of "perestroika". Let us recall the cries of the "people's choices" that the army and the navy are idlers and are no longer needed ...
Let us recall how ships were decommissioned and decommissioned, for example, pl. 675 - "clamshells". Initially, most of the pl. 675 underwent repairs with modernization, and then, after the repair was completed, the ships were disposed of.
Our "partners" paid for the disposal of combat, serviceable ships, but no one paid for the scrap metal, which itself sinks. Here are our "servants of the people" and tried.
The reason for the dismantlement of nuclear submarines pr.667B, BD, BDR was until the deadline for replacing the battery and the absence of a new AA, or the need to reload the nuclear weapons.
It is also worth remembering the 90s, when the military was not paid salaries, the inflated rush demand for penny radio components cut from ship automation systems. Collecting points color met. near the checkpoint of military units, in closed garrisons .... The military goes home, and near the checkpoint, the receptionists shove them lists of where and what on the ship needs to be cut, stolen, and brought in a colormet. There were scum. It got to the point that the ship could not go to sea due to stolen reochords from control devices, because of cut and stolen red-copper impulse pipes. Comrades from the "competent authorities" refused to answer reasonable questions to initiate a criminal case on the facts of theft, to questions why the color met at the reception. still not working, their people were carrying some kind of nonsense ...

[Sergei1982]

Yes, judging by the list of decommissioned ships, the fleet can be compared with the modern Navy of Italy or Germany, or even France.

[I am]

Well, what are you minus ??? Although the depresnyak caught up ......... we buy trough the hill, but we don’t take care of our own, the scribe simply (((((((((((((((((((I didn’t think that so the democrats managed to spoil.

[Gans1234]

That's not a lot. From 1993 to 2000, there are many.

[Juborg]

Hunchback started, drunk finished, but from the fleet, army, country, shreds remained.

[denis02135]

To overtake everything in one, two, three places (Vladivostok, Peter, Sevastopol) and make good museums, that would be a patriotic education. See what Pearl Harbor, Battleship Cove and so on do in the USA. I climbed the ships and took my breath away and not a boy like.

[Atlas]

It was necessary to write when the ship began military service, and then only the date of cancellation ...

[Number 17]

Thanks for the photo report. It’s a pity the photos are pretty decent ships. And we all are waiting for the Mistral overseas.

[B.T.V.]

Thanks for the selection, Ivan, although it’s sad and painful to watch.

[evgenii67]

reached the submarines ... a tear came I hope that in the future the adoption of new models will not yield to the decommissioning of old ones.

[Gans1234]

On the contrary. There will be many write-offs over the next 10 years - ships are aging, and new ones are a drop in the bucket.
A lot of submarines are being modernized and repaired now - so that soon they will not be completely naked

[Nayhas]

Virtually no minesweepers left ...

[donavi49]

How? There is only a trifle in 60 tons, the sea ones do not saw, although they should be cut apart for 3 for all 4 fleets for good, because they do not meet the current situation and tasks.

[Nagaibak]

But we accept new boats for arming !!!)))
Specialists certainly know better, but it seems to me that some of the ships presented would still serve the motherland. Not even so ... some of the presented samples could and would be advisable to withdraw from the Navy.
And most would still serve our Motherland.
But what for was the SSBN withdrawn? I don't understand at all. And AICR "Krasnoyarsk". Maybe they were playing toys there? After 2000. The cruiser was taken out, and a brand new boat was taken in its place ... And we rejoice at every accepted unit. When I wrote that we will soon rejoice in the new boats.))) So they minus me.))) And also, as I understand it, the presented ships are yesterday's military equipment or the day before yesterday?)))) They say money for rearmament, well, just heaps allocated.)))
And they rivet a new one better than the previous one. Only here are two questions from me.
1st) When?
2nd) How much?

[Gans1234]

So far pretty quickly and without disruption only Bujany riveted.

SSBN - expensive to maintain, no mani - ships rotted to hell.
Right now almost 2 dozens of submarines are under repair

[Nagaibak]

Gans1234 "The ships are rotten to hell."
Rotted?))) As far as I understand, the ship can be in service for decades and serve. I'm not going to write about Iowa or something like that. The destroyer "Novik", for example, entered the fleet seems to be sunk by the Germans in 1911 in 1941))) Sunk! He did not fly over the waves, so as not to rot. The second point is if they were launched to the point that they rotted. Where are the officials imprisoned? Who should organize the painting and who should allocate money for this.))) Apparently the state that went bankrupt at that time is to blame?)))

[Dart2027]

Quote: Nagaibak

the ship can be in service for decades and serve

If you look after him, then he will stretch all fifty. If not, then alas.

[rostov-dad]

old ships that were built before the 60s could serve more than fifty years with good care for them, which were built after the 60s and twenty with difficulty nursing, just the hulls of the old ships were assembled on a riveting, and the new ones were welded, the welded hull does not go for a long time, the metal is at the seams blooms and rots.

[Kruglov]

Last year, Voitenko (now, however, he completely lost his hatred of Russia, and supports all the "dill") in the "Sea Bulletin" there was information that "finally sank" in the Mediterranean Sea, the world's oldest dry cargo ship, who was, now I don’t remember exactly, whether 111 years old, or even 120! And what is most interesting, in the load! On a real flight! And it sank for a reason, but in a strong storm! And you say 50 years. If you take care of the ship properly, it looks like it happens ...

[Dart2027]

A cargo ship and a warship are not the same thing.
In theory, any ship can sail for two hundred years. But over time, it simply becomes outdated, and in most cases it becomes pointless to exploit it. So the real term is 50 years maximum, and then recycling. The exception is made by such giants as TARK, battleships, aircraft carriers, but they also have a limit of the "modernization reserve".

[pacific]

For 10-15 years after construction, only the name remains from the bulk carrier, and even then - not always. Everything else, in the first place - metal (set, case, systems) is updated during the planned docking. So, for a 100-year-old ship, it’s good if a couple of original practical things remained on board.

[dipqrer]

The commune is still in operation. 100 years!

[donavi49]

But what for brought the SSBN out?

An agreement - in which the missiles didn’t climb anymore, but to keep them without missiles?
Resource - all BDRs will be written off soon. Only 6 BDRM will remain with repairs and Boreas which will replace the BDRM.
Efficiency - BDR is still quite ancient, and Sineva doesn’t go there, it also costs money to maintain another, outdated type of missile.

AICR "Krasnoyarsk" is simply a record holder. The bottom line at the Pacific Fleet is very fast she was killed, especially cynically, in less than 4 of the year she became emergency in fact. Since 95, the years have succumbed and bombarded with repairs, but there was no money. Plus it had to be pulled to Severodvinsk, and that was then not easy. Today would be restored, without question, and then fed breakfast. In the cold state the boat stood 12 years, while it was actively dismantled - to other boats. As a result, when the money for repairs appeared, it can only be disposed of ... No luck with the basing boat and the life time.

[Nagaibak]

donavi49 "A treaty - into which missiles did not climb, but is it worth keeping them without missiles?
Resource - all BDRs will be written off soon. Only 6 BDRM will remain with repairs and Boreas which will replace the BDRM.
Efficiency - BDR is still quite antiquity, and Sineva does not go there, it costs money to keep another, outdated type of missiles. "
And why conclude such agreements from which we suffer ruin? And then. We do not have scientists to think of how to use these boats ... say in civilian life?
donavi49 "APKR" Krasnoyarsk "is just a record holder. The bottom line at the Pacific Fleet was killed very quickly, especially cynically, in less than 4 years it became an emergency in fact."
One must judge for these things. For damage to the country's defense.))) Without a statute of limitations, such things should be considered. Get these senior pensioners and plant them. Not only the military.)))) Why?
Impunity and negligence will lead to new commanders ditching new ships. Impunity ... however.)))

[donavi49]

And why conclude such agreements from which we suffer ruin?

On the contrary, savings in general, but START.

And then. We do not have scientists to think of how to use these boats ... say in civilian life?

They come up with - mainly as a base for deep-sea vehicles. But this is a piece necessity, not a massive one. For example, on the basis of 667BDR - there is BS-136 "Orenburg" - which "Arctic nyash" makes . On the basis of 667BDRM do - BS-64. Plus, there is a whole new Baton being redone for this purpose - Belgorod. Therefore, there is an abundance of relatively fresh candidates, with not knocked out resources.

There are no other peaceful and profitable uses for age boats.

[Nagaibak]

donavi49 "There are no other peaceful and beneficial uses for older boats."
And if you think about it?))) And then something categorical.)))

[donavi49]

How FNPP is unprofitable. There is little to carry either, and there are few volumes, even if the mines are cut and the hump is still built up in a large cargo compartment. Cut into metal and then unprofitable ...

[Nagaibak]

donavi49 "As a floating nuclear power plant it is unprofitable. Carrying something too, and there are not many volumes, even if the mines are cut out and the hump is still built up into a large cargo compartment. Cutting into metal is unprofitable ..."
Did anyone count this? Is the Academy of Sciences there? Or did economists from the Ministry of Defense of Serdyukovskoy hardening quickly determine that, for example, the FNPP is not profitable? What is not profitable? ))) And then the other ships presented all rotted? Destroyers, SKRy, BDK? That is, I understand there is nothing to be done about it, it is necessary to rivet new ones, especially since the headstock is highlighted. And these on metal or let them rot already. And there are no guilty.)))) And then we will not build new ones if we could not cope with these? And we will jump in front of the west with our bare ass since we can’t save our own.)))

[Kruglov]

There were ideas to make it cargo carriers, tankers, for SevMorPuti. Walk under the ice all year round. There are emergencies when well, "desperately" necessary. But somehow everything died out ...

[OST_51RU]

At one time, three 667A were converted into 667AT "Pear" - submarines - mine-layers .... https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%EE%E4%E2%EE%E4%ED%FB% E5_% EB% EE% E4% EA% E8_% EF% F0
%EE%E5%EA%F2%E0_667%C0%D2_%AB%C3%F0%F3%F8%E0%BB
someone like it, but for me - a very good use of obsolete submarines, provided that the hull and the EC are in satisfactory condition.

[Andrey NM]

BDRs, with proper repair and modernization, could still serve. In 31 divisions in Gadzhiyevo there were ships not much older than the BDRMs, some in general only for a couple of years. I did an internship at one of them before graduation in 1987. Yes, the missiles are relatively outdated, but basically this refers to the "head" of the rocket, the control system and the element base, and the "glider" is still normal, the range was enough to get all the "enemies" from the pier, and according to the characteristics of this old woman neither China nor India approached, the French were somewhere nearby, so they could still benefit us. Blue is being finalized, and it will serve for a long time. The Americans expect to use Ohio until the 40s, and they are the same age. About the case - if the zinc bars were changed in a timely manner, then nothing there will rot. Carry out inter-trip inspections and repairs, medium repairs in time, and then serve and serve such "steamers".

[OST_51RU]

There is a lot of interesting things at the Pacific Fleet ... comrades from the NRB inspection, who, without remorse and a shadow of doubt, having arrived as part of an inspection at the Northern Fleet nuclear submarine, openly declare “we have killed all the nuclear submarines in our Pacific Fleet, and your ship will not go to sea ". This is 94-96 years old.
"Ryazan", which after repairs, under its own power passed the northern sea route from Murmansk to Kamchatka, after being handed over to Kamchadals, suddenly turned out to be incomplete and not workable ..... And this is not so long ago.

[pahom54]

Quote: Nagaibak

Only here are two questions from me.
1st) When?
2nd) How much?

And what production facilities ???

[Fantazer911]

No words, everything is very sad, I take off my hat and regret the fate of the once powerful giants.

[Good cat]

A question for connoisseurs: who knows why the 956th wrote off almost everything, like not old boxes?

[albert]

For the most part, their propulsion systems were shattered. The production of almost all gas turbine engines remained in Ukraine. Yes, and with the technical capacities themselves, after the collapse of the Union, there was a lot of stress.

[donavi49]

Excellent, but there are no turbines, there are high-pressure boilers manufactured in Russia. And to each boiler of pipes from a coil around the earth at the equator. When the water goes to the boiler is not clean (there are many reasons = the wrong dosage of chemistry based on a specific sample of water intake, and not a week ago, scamming, lack of chemistry, etc.) - the tubes grow from the inside and then burst under pressure. When it breaks the 1-2-3 tubes and even successfully, repair is possible, but when it breaks the internal contours, or just under a hundred tubes in different places, we arrived.

Since the LNX warhead of 5 is regularly set on fire in our ships (not long ago, Kerch), complex water analyzes and a dosage of chemistry for them are akin to revealing the secrets of quantum uncertainty. Especially in 90-e-00-e.

Therefore, gas turbine 1155 - were tenacious and attempts to break the ship suffered a fail. But 956 died out en masse.

[Mhpv]

Quote: donavi49

Since the warhead of the warhead5 we regularly set fire to ships (not far from Kerch),

And what to expect from a sailor who completed training in three months, arrives on the ship and after 9 months he is already a demobilization.

[Andrey NM]

No one will tell, but in Kaluga it was like the production of gas turbine units? In the early 90s, while studying at the academy, he crossed paths with one officer, military representative from Kaluga, and he was involved in the production of ship gas turbine units. For some reason I remembered that he had a dispute with one of the academic teachers on the inlet air temperature to calculate the turbine power, like this parameter strongly affects the power.

[Gans1234]

Iron is rusting. It is painted with paint - more beautiful + protection.
If it is not tinted, it rusts faster.
And the 10-20 ships stood for years, they were not painted, not serviced, not repaired.
At first they just rusted, then they already began to rot.

The ship is gorgeous, the potential is huge, beautiful, but slapped ... ((
Right now, work is underway in St. Petersburg on the 1-2 Sarych - trying to save those ships that still can be managed.
On modernization - deafly like in a tank - blablabla, new electronics, radars, and on weapons in general not a word of specificity

[Turkir]

Thank. Good job.
A sad sight.
Judging by the comments, your article has scattered everyone’s soul, not just mine.
Medicines are always bitter ..

[donavi49]

Below I wrote off the trouble in choosing a power plant. The boilers, and the developers, in order to fit into the power requirements, made them for highly cultured, disciplined and well-trained people, and not as usual with a margin for a fool. Hence all the problems. In the foreseeable future, all 956 will leave, although they have been actively sawing Burny and a little less actively Fearless for five years at the Pacific Fleet, but there are no results of these works.

With great difficulty and manual selection, the warhead 5 from the whole fleet keeps 3 living destroyers - Fast, Ushakov and Persistent (which is the worst of the three and constantly breaks down) ) The rest of the unwritten corpses so that they would not write about repairs to the bright 2020 year there.

[Gans1234]

And global modernization with the replacement of engines with others is very expensive ??
For while we develop and build new destroyers - 15 years will pass for sure - and in these years you need to sail on something.

[donavi49]

It is one thing to change the turbine to diesel or diesel + afterburner turbines (this is how they think with 11356 now), it is another to tear boiler rooms out of the ship. No, theoretically, the Dreadnought (which is the first in the world) can be turned into an 22 Missile Cruiser of the century with stealth and innovation. But the question is the amount of work and the price, and they will be prohibitive ... If we go for modernization, it is better to modernize 1155, there is some stock there.

Yes, and what to change ??? Diesel - they won’t accelerate such a case, the drawdown in speed will be very significant, turbines / diesel + afterburner turbines - so where to get the turbines? M90FR should theoretically come up, but the first issues will be by the 17 year and piece, all on 22350. Really deployed no earlier than 20 year. But will it then be necessary to upgrade 956? Or what remains of them?

[Bongo]

Quote: donavi49

made them for highly cultured, disciplined and well-trained people, and not as usual with a margin for a fool. Hence all the problems.

Exactly so, although Gorshkov personally insisted on choosing such a power plant.
At the same time, the destroyers of this project are successfully operating in China.

[donavi49]

Recently, the Chinese go to the 956 with tugboats and no further than landfills, but more are at the bases. At that time, as 052 run right up to Portugal and Latin America. And in general, the Chinese are disciplined, and prepared - they won’t pour reagent on the eye, because last time it rolled.

[Bongo]

Quote: donavi49

Recently, the Chinese go to the 956 with tugboats and no further than landfills, but more are at the bases.

Those. are they also not ready? Weird , I recently read something else on English-speaking resources. Allegedly, the Chinese evaluate these ships and their anti-ship missiles quite high and rely on them in case of aggravation of relations with the United States and Japan.

[donavi49]

RCC expects that in the event of aggravation of relations with Japan, they will not run so far by the way. But they are no longer the main support of the surface fleet.

[Bongo]

Quote: donavi49

But they are no longer the main support of the surface fleet.

Who would argue, but I won’t, of course, since the Chinese acquired the 956 destroyers, much water has flowed, and ships of their own projects are being actively built in China.

[NOMADE]

The problem was laid, initially, during the design. Instead of GTUs as on BODs (which still run smoothly), fuel oil boilers and steam turbines were installed on 956 !! The weak point in boilers is pipes. In general, this installation, quite creepy, came out ((There is a suspicion that at 90, just "from above" they helped to drain them. As an example, my father agreed on "patronage" with the city of Sverdlovsk over 956 - "Boevoy", they were ready to pay But "from above", they did not give the go-ahead! As a result, the "excellent" ship of the Pacific Fleet with an experienced and well-coordinated crew - rooted to the wall of the pier !! ((
Overall, conclusion 956, this is stupidity and crime! They are completely repairable and modernizable !! The same boilers are made with us, and not abroad (as an example of the gas turbine compressor units that are made in Ukraine).
And so when upgrading the electronics, installing the updated Bius, GAS, radar, air defense system, in the old building, a very serious car would have come out!

[pacific]

I heard in the 80s that the 956s were planned to be operated until about 2025.
In 1986, when they took the 6th building (em “Combat”) from industry, I counted 15 buildings of the 956s at different stages of construction at the Zhdanov plant.
And the boats turned out beautiful and powerful. It’s a pity that they served so little.

[Aasdem]

one could make a good fleet of such ships, comparable to the fleet even of Great Britain ... Sorry ...

[Gans1234]

The Briton fleet isn’t the good news that now
Besides the new aircraft carrier and the presence of other older aircraft carriers, and a small number of modern frigates, our fleet does not exceed anything
And their fleet upgrade program is much more modest than ours

[Nagaibak]

Gans1234 "Apart from the new aircraft carrier and the presence of other older aircraft carrier ships and a small number of modern frigates, our fleet is no better."
The Briton fleet should be considered only in conjunction with other NATO fleets.))) Or not considered at all.)))

[Bongo]

Quote: Starover_Z

"Glory" to "perestroika"

And what has the "perestroika" to do with it? Our fleet suffered the main damage already when it was "great and irreplaceable."

[B.T.V.]

Quote: Bongo

And what has the "perestroika" to do with it? Our fleet suffered the main damage already when it was "great and irreplaceable."

"Minsk", "Novorossiysk" - also with him ???

[Serg65]

"Angara" .... my God, what did they do to her ?? !! But there was a beauty! The first name was "Avizo Hella" - "Running on the Waves", the command ship of "Daddy Karl" (Grand Admiral Dönetz), the yacht of Benito Mussoline, the ship of the NKVD naval unit "Baikal", the command ship of the KCHF "Angara". It was visited at various times by Hitler, Goering, Stalin, Molotov, Voroshilov, Khrushchev, Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Gorshkov. The ship is a legend and in metal? !! This is sad. "Sokol" -MPK "Vladimirets" is also a unique ship, maximum speed is 50 knots! OGAS dropped to 200 meters and made it possible to perform an abrupt search for submarines. The ship was armed with the 8th TA TR-224, 400-hundred mm universal torpedoes SET-72. Yeah, the 90s severely cut our Navy, I hope it will be reborn from the ashes like a Phoenix!

[donavi49]

This is sad. "Sokol" -MPK "Vladimirets" is also a unique ship, the maximum speed is 50 knots! OGAS dropped to 200 meters and made it possible to perform an abrupt search for submarines. The ship was armed with the 8th TA TR-224, 400-hundred mm universal torpedoes SET-72.

In the USSR, their effectiveness was called into question and the series was wrapped.

Even after returning the Crimea and receiving a choice:
- 4 new turbine kits
- + 2 ships requiring minimal completion with decent maintenance all these years.

They chose to withdraw the entire type from the composition and forget about it.





But the dismantling of Vladimirts, it seems they want the Kids in Artek to give it.

[Serg65]

donavi49 ... I won’t argue, you are probably right, MPK-215 stood in the floating dock for a long time on Kamenka in Sevastopol, will go to the seas for a couple of hours and again to the dock for a month.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Serg65

"Sokol" -MPK "Vladimirets"

Yeah, pichal.

[Bongo]

Quote: B.T.W.

"Minsk", "Novorossiysk" - also with him ???

And you compare over the years better compare before minus , and for these ships there was initially no coastal infrastructure. Here they are a resource of boilers and mechanisms and were forced to burn in the raid.

[Serg65]

Quote: Bongo

And you compare over the years better compare before minus , and for these ships there was initially no coastal infrastructure. Here they are a resource of boilers and mechanisms and were forced to burn in the raid.

In your opinion, were all the ships listed above up to the 2000s in excellent condition? In your pro-Putin government brought them to this?

[Bongo]

Quote: Serg65

In your opinion, were all the ships listed above up to the 2000s in excellent condition?

Not of course not great. But a significant part of these fairly modern ships, with political will, could be repaired.

[B.T.V.]

Quote: Bongo

But a significant part of these fairly modern ships, with political will, could be repaired.

By the "presence of political will" "Minsk" and "Novorossiysk" were stupidly sold, practically for nothing.

[B.T.V.]

Quote: Bongo

And you compare over the years better compare before minus

1. Not minus.
2. TAKR "Minsk" was launched on September 30, 1975, withdrawn from the Navy on June 30, 1993, do you want to say that the entire resource was used up ???
3. About "Novorossiysk" there is an article on this site dated May 23, 2012, look in the archive.
4. "Ural" (which had no analogues in the world), "Lazarev" (former "Frunze"), also began to fall into disrepair precisely during perestroika.

[Bongo]

Quote: B.T.W.

the whole resource was worked out ??

Read carefully:

initially, there was no coastal infrastructure for these ships. Here they are a resource of boilers and mechanisms and were forced to burn in the raid

. There was no repair base at the Pacific Fleet for these ships. Although I personally think that these could be preserved until better times.

"Ural" (which had no analogues in the world),

- was originally a dead-born project and was never in the ranks. I had a chance to observe him in Fokino in 2008 - a pitiful sight. This ship was a place of exile for losers and alcoholics, normal officers served only in the warhead that monitored the ship's power plant. By the beginning of the 2000s, the Ural radio-electronic equipment containing precious metals was mainly plundered.

[B.T.V.]

"Minsk" was repaired at "Dalzavod", she herself was at the bottom of the ship, when he stood at the plant. And generally speaking, it was about the fact that it was perestroika and the EBN's rule that practically killed the Navy, and not only it.

[Bongo]

Quote: B.T.W.

"Minsk" was repaired at "Dalzavod"

It was not "repaired" there, "Minsk" was "killed" there - cables and pipelines were cut, and launchers for anti-ship missiles were also "dismantled" by blowing up.

[B.T.V.]

[quote = Bongo] It was not "repaired" there, "Minsk" was "killed" there - they cut cables and pipelines, and also "dismantled" the launchers for anti-ship missiles by blowing up. [/ qu

Before the sale, yes, they were "killed", I even know the little man who made "initial capital" from him on metal. But before that, everything was normal with the "Minsk" and its crew.

[mkpda]

I may be wrong (information from "open" sources), but the "heart" of the "Urals" were two ES-1066 in the corresponding design. It was with them that problems arose; it was not possible to launch the BUS according to the project.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

with a sinking heart I watched the ships, waiting that the "Bes" 965pr. hit the mournful list, but no! they have long promised to repair, the ship in Baltiysk, the former flagship, is suffering ...

[Gans1234]

It is in the "Ships of repair, reserve and conservation of the Russian Navy" - the next selection, already under moderation, it remains to wait for the admins to publish

[B.T.V.]

Quote: Bongo

was originally a stillborn project and was never in the ranks. I happened to watch it in Fokino in 2008 - a miserable sight.

And I saw him in 1990, when he just came to us. Very "strangely and in time" there was a fire on board before the battle, and after that he already "got up with a stake."

[Hubun]

really a sad sight

[Bersaglieri]

956 and "Rhino" sorry. Written off before the deadline.
And the "loaf" too.

[Severomor]

Again the 956th project. Well, the very sad fate of this handsome man.
Some questions.
Who invented to shove this gas turbine?
Who came up with the idea to build an armada of 50 ships of the project 956 and 1155?
Was there a need for this, having project 1134?
Does anyone remind anyone of the great strategist Tukhachevsky and 100 tanks?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Severomor

Who invented to shove this gas turbine?

boilers damn-sore project ... and "sarychi" are really very beautiful.

[altman]

Virtually the entire Pacific Fleet was "sunk" without war. And so far there is no normal ship repair, no normal shipbuilding. It's a pity the 956 project, if not for the GEM could still walk like 1155.

[Gans1234]

Well, they’ll build a shipyard, and they will repair it

[Alexander]

BOD "Sarych" is written off, but there is no replacement for it

[xomaNN]

Of the entire list, in my opinion, the most significant loss is a few 956 project destroyers. They did not run out of their resource. Taki their EU capricious for combatant sailors destroyed these good ships. And nowadays they are so lacking

[IAlex]

The "Invincible" pleased me, they drowned him, but still they could not drown him, and so that he would not run away, they even tied him to something with a rope .. But in general, most of them look like reserve ships ...

[Technologist]

"Baton" is very sorry, and "Ural" too (((

[SAILOROLD]

Alas, time does not heal you
Warships!
Cruisers or destroyers, -
All before rust are equal!
From the blinds of the eye sockets of the blind
Lost anchors
I ran, leaving a trace
Rusty tear ...
And in the backwaters of a quiet harbor,
Closely getting up - board aboard,
It’s a sad age to live, -
What, pal, not a resort ?!
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Only a draft in the cold compartments
They will sometimes be reminded
How chopped with mince
Ocean winds ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: SAILOROLD

. .
Only a draft in the cold compartments
They will sometimes be reminded
How chopped with mince
Ocean winds ...

+ + +

[sv100year]

Quote: donavi49

Recently, the Chinese go to 956 with tugboats and no further than landfills, and more are at the bases. At the time, as 052 run right up to Portugal and Latin America. And in general, the Chinese are disciplined, and prepared - they won’t pour reagent on the eye, because last time it rolled.

Quote: donavi49

Excellent, but there are no turbines, there are high-pressure boilers manufactured in Russia. And to each boiler of pipes from a coil around the earth at the equator. When the water goes to the boiler is not clean (there are many reasons = the wrong dosage of chemistry based on a specific sample of water intake, and not a week ago, scamming, lack of chemistry, etc.) - the tubes grow from the inside and then burst under pressure. When it breaks the 1-2-3 tubes and even successfully, repair is possible, but when it breaks the internal contours, or just under a hundred tubes in different places, we arrived.

Since the LNX warhead of 5 is regularly set on fire in our ships (not long ago, Kerch), complex water analyzes and a dosage of chemistry for them are akin to revealing the secrets of quantum uncertainty. Especially in 90-e-00-e.

Therefore, gas turbine 1155 - were tenacious and attempts to break the ship suffered a fail. But 956 died out en masse.

the weakest point in ktu is 956 desalination plants. when salinity is good, they quickly clogged and their maintenance turned into a big problem. therefore, the quality of the water supply to the boiler decreased very quickly and alles ... the boiler burned down. No special chemistry was dosed to the feeding system. for measurements salinity analyzes weren’t necessary, solimers stood, they only had to be purged perd. De-oxygenation took place in a diaerator, removal of salt ions in ion-exchange filters, in which it was just necessary to change the charge of ion exchangers and cationides after a certain time. In general, it is much more difficult than gtu but nothing more than natural, in the end, until the 60s, all the ships on the boilers went. And of course the power was given out by the boilers to a huge 50000 hp on the shaft. 956 my favorite ships, it was interesting to work on them.

[Yasondinalt]

A terrible sight. Dead ships are like dead people. How old were they the shelter and home of hundreds of people. Honor and glory to the marine defenders of the motherland !!

[Danik_Rok]

That would be dates from what year the operation

[Jekakiller258]

I'd like to believe that worthy ships and boats came to replace them. Nyurka and Ardent - ships close to my heart ... I let a tear ..