The most efficient army today

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Modern realities are such that the slogans of peace, demilitarization and brotherhood of all nations did not even go to the background, but somewhere further away. It seems that the cold war is over, well, or at least they told us so, and the growth of armaments in the world is in full swing. Every year the budgets of military-industrial companies grow like mushrooms after a warm rain. Only now to say that our native army becomes a real stronghold of the state, it is not necessary that year. From the screens often heard the words that Russia has released a new type of weapon, upgraded small weaponBut directly to the troops such a modernization rarely comes. I remember the footage of the film "DMB", where the general gives the engineer shovels to those soldiers who did not get machine guns. A lot of time has passed since the movie was released, but the essence of the Russian army has not changed fundamentally. Therefore, if we consider the level of combat effectiveness of our troops in comparison with other world armies, the conclusion will not be in our favor.

The most efficient army today

American GI: the cost of one set of equipment - 18000 $


The question of which army is better at the moment is not easy to answer. If we talk about combat effectiveness in terms of spending budget funds for an army, here the Americans are clearly leaders. Equipping a single US soldier costs the state more than 18000 dollars. We can put a whole regiment on that amount. The American Congress does not spare money for its universal soldiers and spends on them more than half a trillion dollars annually. Despite the fact that such spending simply rips the US treasury, few people care, because they know overseas, Russia, Brazil and other holders of funds in American currency will pay for the reliability of the stars and stripes of the republic. The Americans are spending huge amounts of money on arming their fighters. Every year, American weapons are upgraded and sent straight to military units. All these facts show that in the case of direct combat contact with the Americans, if, God forbid, this happens, the Russian troops will be extremely hard. The outcome of the battle between these armies will be decided before it starts. Of course, this is not a nuclear confrontation, because in this case it’s pointless to talk about any victory whatsoever. Public organizations continue to blame the Pentagon for building up military capabilities, but the Pentagon, like the one Vaska, who listens to himself and eats further.


China contains the largest and one of the most well-equipped armies in the world.

In recent years, the Chinese army has entered the world arena with dignity. These brave guys, in contrast to the "peace-loving" Americans do not fight, trying to spread democracy or something else. However, the expenses of the Communist Party of China in the army are growing at a very impressive pace. Over the year, the Chinese managed to increase military spending by more than 40 billion dollars. The Chinese army is truly amazing in its scale. In principle, this is understandable, because the population of China, like its modern ambitions, is very large. Today, the Chinese armed forces look like a huge dog that lies quietly near its booth, its eyes closed, but with one eye it still looks at what is happening around it. Let me say that this strategy is more rational than the American one. Of course, the Chinese can enter Afghanistan or “force peace” of their dear neighbor, North Korea, but they understand perfectly well that modern warfare is not an epic confrontation on an open battlefield.

By the way, if we talk about the armies of the world, then why not mention the so-called "non-state armies". Well, what they are not more efficient than the state armed forces? The very same Hamas or Hezbollah armies that managed to make a lot of noise in the world, although they are called terrorist groups, but this is a question of terminology. Are NATO planes bombing Serbian cities or schools in Libya, these are not terrorist formations? The financing of non-state armies, of course, is not measured in hundreds of billions of euros, but they cannot be reproached for their combat effectiveness either. The Taliban stands out in this list, the army of which was not managed to “rein in” by the most powerful Soviet army, and already that year the American armada could not achieve the long-awaited victory. A handful of people scurrying about in the mountains in broken boots, torn clothes, and with MANPADS on their shoulders - this is an example of effective combat operations today. Losses are minimal, uniforms are not provided at all, and nutrition, in principle, also. Say - a barbarian country, a barbaric army. But we are talking about the effectiveness of military units. By the way, the barbarian armies at one time utterly defeated the Roman legions, which ate well, and received considerable money. It reminds you nothing in the modern world.



The Taliban are the people's militia, the ideological basis of which is an arbitrary and rather rough interpretation of Islam, which has spread widely in most of Afghanistan since 1996.

The main organizing factor for the Taliban, in addition to the religious one, is its declarative desire to "put an end to the wars in the territory of Afghanistan." This motto was particularly effective during the "Soviet occupation" and in subsequent years. Thus, the Taliban flourished, including thanks to the USSR, whose presence in Afghanistan was perceived as an occupation. As you know, the presence of an external enemy unites the nation.

The Taliban regime in the most stringent way organized the lives of those who were on the territory of its distribution. Among the "achievements" of the Taliban - "the liberation of women of the East": from work, from the opportunity to get an education, etc. The Taliban intolerantly treat representatives of other Islamic faiths. In particular, repressive measures against Shiite Muslims were repeatedly used.


Perhaps, the army’s combat capability lies not even in its financing, but in the ideology and loyalty of the soldiers to their patronymic, religion, and principles. In general, a brilliant laser-guided machine at the target and 5000 cu. a week does not guarantee victory. After all, our Great Victory was not at all produced by what we now call the equipment and well-being of a soldier’s life. Draw conclusions, what is the most efficient army of our time ...
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  1. BOSS
    -2
    15 August 2011 09: 57
    Pindos with their supertechnologies have not yet won a single war. I look at the place of the modernized small arms, American saldaphs with AK-47 are on duty smile .
    1. Superduck
      +1
      15 August 2011 11: 00
      Well then, the Americans have definitely won in Iraq. Now there is another, guerrilla war, but this is not a war with a regular army. The Americans bent on Serbia, everyone knows that, i.e. they achieved their goals - it means they won the war, just like Russia won the war against Georgia, because it bent and achieved the declared goals.
      1. jamert
        -4
        15 August 2011 11: 31
        In 1950-53, they did not allow North Korea to defeat South. And in 1941-45, the Americans defeated Japan. In 1917, they tipped the scales to the side of the Entente in the First World War. In 1898 - Spain. And in 1846-1848 - Mexico. In the 1830s Texas's independence was defended. In 1819, at the dawn of its independence, Florida was taken from Spain. In 1804, Napoleon was forced to give them to Louisiana.
        They know how to fight. Yes, they do it without too much heroism, but they kill not bad.
        1. Superduck
          0
          15 August 2011 11: 37
          jamert, on this site to say what we said is blasphemy.
          1. -2
            15 August 2011 13: 46
            Superduck, on this site to say what we said - blasphemy-- in this you are wrong.
        2. +8
          15 August 2011 13: 45
          jamert, What they know how to use the moment is their offset. but they NEVER fought a normal and strong enemy equal in strength to them.
          1. Superduck
            +3
            15 August 2011 13: 56
            Well, the Japanese were pretty good, the Germans also didn’t make a finger. Of course, we haven’t fought in recent history, but we did too.
          2. jamert
            +1
            15 August 2011 17: 10
            This is my opinion, but the ability to use the moment is precisely what creates the condition for victory. And the result of the Americans' "non-combat capability" is obvious - they dictate their terms to everyone. Everything else is idle speculation.
            1. Joker
              -1
              15 August 2011 17: 12
              In this case, the Pindos are as invulnerable as the elusive Joe.
              1. Superduck
                -1
                15 August 2011 17: 22
                Well, until they come across an opponent of the China / India / RF level where it will not be possible to throw everything with tomahawks and fly all F-18mi, then they will tear the ass to everyone who wants to. And for those countries that I indicated they have twitter and dumb power in case of a trick :-)
                1. Sanzyro
                  -2
                  20 August 2011 10: 14
                  Yes, they always knew how to use the moment, so they will NEVER have an opponent of the level of China - India! On this they will not climb. Unless, they try to buy, as the same eReFiyu ...
                  1. ab
                    ab
                    0
                    28 January 2012 02: 29
                    Quote: Sanzyro
                    Yes, they always knew how to use the moment, so they will NEVER have an opponent of the level of China - India! On this they will not climb. Unless, try to buy, as the same eReFi
                    question for filling all connoisseurs. And Russia will climb to China, India, America. Only without flooding, More real.
    2. -1
      15 August 2011 13: 05
      American saldafon with AK-47 are on duty
      ______________
      still say with a mosin rifle !!

      what you saw in the photo in Iraq or Afghanistan, taken from the warehouses of these countries and posed for a photo

      HERE THEIR SPECIALISTS ARE GOING WITH MODERNIZED AK-74 BULGARIAN FIRM ARSENAL IS YES
      1. KASKAD
        -2
        26 August 2011 02: 22
        With the Ak-74 and even with the Bulgarian it’s a clean run, for the US Army special forces they bought it on the Izh Mash Mk AK of the hundredth series in an exclusive version, taking into account all the wishes of the customer under the NATO cartridge 5.56 and after that they were equipped with ready-made tuning packages from Israeli and American weapons firms.
        1. Mesniy
          -1
          26 August 2011 12: 03
          Che! Yes, they needed Kalash, they have been in the states of two companies for 40 years for all comers riveting, under any patron.
          1. KASKAD
            -1
            26 August 2011 13: 28
            What do they rivet do you know? And I know AK 47, and for the civilian market, they don’t have the right to make design changes, secondly, state organizations such as special operations command are bought only from manufacturers' factories themselves, and not some left-handed dealers who bought a license to produce a long-old model .
  2. Stefano
    -1
    15 August 2011 10: 43
    And the question is not so simple which army is the most combat-ready on different sites for different information.
  3. Superduck
    -1
    15 August 2011 11: 08
    I believe that in the territory of the USSR the most combat-ready Belarusian is also Armenian in terms of fighting spirit and level of training. Of course, Russia also has very combat-ready units, more than 3 wars for Russia were not in vain, however, there are few such units, 2 of them are Chechen, and I’m not sure that they can be called Russian with a pure soul.
    According to reviews, the American army is very combat-ready and not only Tomahawks, American soldiers are very strong-willed compared to Europeans and much better prepared than most other armies in the world. Israel, both Korea, and Japan are also very strong, though North Korea is stronger in terms of spirit, although the fact that North Korea (according to Western estimates, but it is also not from scratch) is the world's largest exporter of rocket technology does not deprive it of some sort of status as a tech army.
    1. zczczc
      +1
      15 August 2011 12: 50
      As for the Armenian, I hear it for the first time.

      About the spirit of Pindos - funny. They don’t even go urinating without body armor, because if they are killed, then relatives will not receive insurance. Not a spirit, but a darling ...
      1. -5
        15 August 2011 13: 25
        Without a bullet-proof vest, they don’t even urinate; if they are killed, relatives will not receive insurance

        hints do not tell or source of information in the studio.
        1. zczczc
          -3
          24 August 2011 20: 03
          A well-known fact, in general, is a professor: http://warhistory.livejournal.com/2022400.html

          "... the American military, entering the army, sign an agreement, which states that if they are injured, and they do not have full uniforms, they will not be paid insurance. Therefore, Americans always wear bulletproof vests and other ammunition, when this funny waddling from foot to foot, like penguins. "
          1. -3
            4 September 2011 23: 21
            livejournal is a strong source ... wink
            I surfed "the entire" Internet, and in the language of those very "Pindos" and what a surprise - nowhere is there information about how "the American military, entering the army, sign a treaty, which states that if they are injured, and at the same time they are not there will be full uniforms, they will not be paid insurance. " Maybe this is of course over-classified information that has not even leaked to WikiLeaks? Then it's clear. fellow
            Learn materiel !!!
          2. ab
            ab
            0
            28 January 2012 02: 33
            Quote: zczczc
            "... the American military, entering the army, sign an agreement, which states that if they are injured, and they do not have full uniforms, they will not be paid insurance.

            Is it bad or good? Safety is paramount. Or do a contract or fuck the beach.
      2. dmitri077
        0
        28 January 2012 01: 58
        ours are killed for free
  4. Stiffmaister
    +12
    15 August 2011 11: 16
    However, the fact that during the war in Afghanistan from1979-1989 was killed more than a million Afghans, including civilians, and the Soviet army lost 15 thousand killed. So compare the numbers and think about which army is better to have, combat-ready and fully equipped or rebel, rebellious, barbaric, etc.
    1. His
      +1
      24 August 2011 00: 03
      Who counted these Afghans. And how many Americans in Vietnam soaked, in Iraq, count
    2. dmitri077
      0
      28 January 2012 01: 59
      +54 thousand wounded and 416 thousand sick! no one thought for the dead Afghans!
  5. +3
    15 August 2011 11: 36
    In recent years, the Chinese army has entered the world arena with dignity. These brave guys, in contrast to the "peace-loving" Americans do not fight, trying to spread democracy or something else.
    -
    A capable army does not mean equipped. Example Georgia. China is not fighting anywhere except at home.

    The very same Hamas or Hezbollah armies that managed to make a lot of noise in the world, although they are called terrorist groups, but this is a question of terminology.


    An excellent example of Hamas and Hezbollah "combat readiness":
    As reported by Reshet Bet radio station, Dirar Abu-Sisi said that after the anti-terrorist operation "Cast Lead" carried out by the IDF in the Gaza Strip in January 2009, the Hamas leadership instructed him to create a military academy to train militants.
    This decision was made due to the fact that during the hostilities with the Israeli army, Hamas militants massively deserted, did not carry out orders from their superiors, made many mistakes in the use of various types of weapons and showed cowardice. Abu Sisi said that because of these miscalculations, Hamas leaders tried to rectify the situation by creating a new militant training system with his help.

    http://newsru.co.il/mideast/14aug2011/dirar504.html


    I look at the place of the upgraded small arms, American saldafons with AK-47 are on duty

    And show us.
    1. Superduck
      +1
      15 August 2011 12: 01
      Yeah, I saw 2 pictures, both from Irkak, on one amer with SVD, on the second with AK-47. People who clearly believe in this did not serve in the army and do not understand what it means to lose / abandon service weapons in the army. And run with another, the ammunition to which you can get unless in battle or buy at the market.
      1. BOSS
        -1
        15 August 2011 12: 06
        Yeah, he’s standing in Baghdad with Kalash, where he managed to lose his M-16 in a controlled city? In Vietnam, this happened even more often.
        1. Superduck
          +2
          15 August 2011 12: 16
          The 10th part of the photographs of front-line soldiers is taken in the background and next to military trophies.
          My father was a tanker. So he told that their battalion was being transported by train through Kazakhstan to the exercises, and so they had a sentry who was sitting at the tail of the train, fell asleep and dropped his machine gun. During that time, while he remembered that he was sitting with a gun and woke up without him, the train traveled about 150 kilometers. Half of the battalion was put into a trolley, and 2 people were thrown out every 10 kilometers in winter in Kazakhstan during a blizzard, and they walked on rails and looked for this shitty assault rifle. They found it, they came angry and kicked the soldier. If they hadn’t found it, then a couple of officers would go to trial and the soldier naturally.
          In the American army, only special operations forces use trophy and non-standard weapons when performing specific tasks. Everyone else loves Colt. The problem is not even patriotism, if someone has already graduated from school, he knows what logistics is, and so the Americans are still sitting on gasoline engines because logistics is their mother, it is expensive to carry solarium, the same applies to the nomenclature of ammunition, food, and everything else. For Americans, every war costs concrete money because it is such a state business.
          So, if you want to shoot Kalashmat, and sometimes it is vitally necessary, then be kind to take your unloved M4 by the back and drag it too, otherwise when you return to the unit you will go to court.
          1. +3
            15 August 2011 12: 28
            so the Americans have marines still sitting on gasoline engines

            You got excited about engines, but otherwise you are absolutely right. There were pictures from Afgan when our soldiers were posing with captured flintlock rifles, but no one would turn their tongues to say: "They threw the Kalash and switched to flintlock rifles."

            Regarding engines. Until recently, motorcycles were the weak link in the US Army because they demanded gasoline while the rest of the equipment was diesel. Recently, this problem was solved jointly with Kawasaki - a motorcycle diesel engine. Now the range of required fuel will be reduced.
            1. Superduck
              0
              15 August 2011 13: 10
              Well, you’re right, now the Americans are trying to hire the nearest full-fledged supplier for the supply of fuel, many types of equipment have begun to use diesel traction. However, I know that the thesis about the inferiority of American technology (primarily this concerned tanks), in view of their use of carburetor engines, was not caused by their technological backwardness in the field of engine building, but lay in the field of unification and cheapening of fuel supplies. Diesel shermans were supplied to the USSR, for example, the U.S. Navy used equipment with diesel engines, too, for the reason that the ships mainly had diesel running.
              However, most of the trucks, even the most army ones, are still gasoline, but the Stryker is already diesel.
              1. KASKAD
                -1
                26 August 2011 01: 28
                All its existence since the start of supplies to the US Armed Forces on Hammer
                FUEL DIESEL installed! All trucks and other equipment are fitted according to military standards and it is safe to reprocess any fuel.
                Back in the 60s in Vietnam, trucks and tanks had multi-fuel diesel engines.
          2. zczczc
            +4
            15 August 2011 12: 55
            Pindos military logistics to study, study and study. That is yes. Alas.
            1. +2
              15 August 2011 13: 18
              Here is the device.

              Based on a Kawasaki KLR650 engine, it’s a sports engine. This means that the engine has been completely rebuilt. This is a first ever motorcycle diesel engine ever built.
              1. +2
                15 August 2011 13: 47
                Professor, but a noble device would not refuse such a thing. !!!
            2. dmitri077
              0
              28 January 2012 02: 01
              easier to write: what NOT to learn from them wink
    2. zczczc
      +8
      15 August 2011 12: 53
      Georgia has very equipped units. Equipment on average is definitely better than ours. Armored vehicles, aviation, etc. - yes, not enough. But the infantry be healthy. Another thing is that they themselves there as a gang in fact, no subordination, etc.

      Pindos did a good job over Georgia.
      1. -1
        20 August 2011 20: 05
        Yes, Georgians are not warriors, in essence. They fell during the service, one got to us, so they dragged him all the training on themselves. And then they wrote off the convoy. So as you don’t arm them, there’s not much to be learned. I will be in the Caucasus traveled on business trips since 1988, seen everything. The most warlike, of course, Chechens, Dagestanis and Ossetians, IMHO, well, Abkhazians
    3. zczczc
      +2
      24 August 2011 20: 04
      Georgia has a level of equipment higher than ours on average.
      1. LESHA pancake
        -2
        24 August 2011 20: 12
        BUT THERE ARE AND RUN ARE VERY WELL ONLY FIVE SHINES.
        1. gor
          gor
          +1
          7 January 2012 00: 10
          Actually, the Georgian units were immediately ordered not to engage in hostilities with the army of the Russian Federation. That local skirmishes were true. For a week to win in the mountains, even if the most finished army is practically unrealistic. Or maybe the Russian army met resistance?
  6. +1
    15 August 2011 13: 03
    The author contradicts himself. So he writes:
    Every year, the weapons of the Americans are modernized and sent straight to military units. All these facts show that in the event of direct combat contact with the Americans, if, God forbid, this happens, the Russian troops will be extremely difficult. The outcome of the battle between these armies will be decided before it begins. This, of course, is not about nuclear confrontation, because in this case it is pointless to talk about any victory whatsoever.


    and now at the end:
    Perhaps, the army’s combat capability lies not even in its financing, but in the ideology and loyalty of the soldiers to their patronymic, religion, and principles. In general, a brilliant laser-guided machine at the target and 5000 cu. a week does not guarantee victory. After all, our Great Victory was not at all produced by what we now call the equipment and well-being of a soldier’s life. Draw conclusions, what is the most efficient army of our time ...


    Well, how do you understand this? In war, both the armament and the fighting spirit of a soldier play a huge role. And not separately !!!
    1. Superduck
      0
      15 August 2011 13: 20
      Quote: Max79

      Well, how do you understand this? In war, both the armament and the fighting spirit of a soldier play a huge role. And not separately !!!

      I read the very unpleasant memories of a Ukrainian officer who served in the chemical battalion in Iraq. So, he said that when the trouble started, the only ones from the whole motley mass of soldiers were not afraid to go under the bullets - there were Yankees. The Europeans were stupidly afraid, it didn’t work out well with the Ukrainians, when the Poles were ambushed, the glorious Ukrainian soldiers were ordered not to stop and drove past their Poles pressed to the ground in their armored vehicles. Then one of the Poles was killed and they have a stone in his bosom on this issue. And amers on their Humvees, when necessary, fired at machine guns while doing this competently and efficiently, and not always they were covered from the air by helicopters and tomahawks whistled overhead.
      1. +4
        15 August 2011 14: 09
        Superduck,
        Well, that’s all right! Both weapons play a role and morale. If the Georgians had such equipment many times superior to ours (who doesn’t understand, I mean Georgians), why did they all throw and dump, not even resisting? Answer to this question moral qualities of fighters !!!
        Therefore, I repeat. In the war, both the armament and the fighting spirit of a soldier play a huge role. But not separately !!!
      2. gor
        gor
        +1
        7 January 2012 00: 13
        I heard something similar from a man who served in Iraq as part of a multinational force. The only ones who did their job in Iraq were the Americans and the British
  7. Owl
    +3
    15 August 2011 14: 30
    I am afraid that in a couple of years, with soldiers "goyushniki" and with officers who have forgotten or do not know what real hostilities are, the Russian army will fall, perhaps "to the very bottom of this" standings "
    1. LESHA pancake
      -3
      24 August 2011 20: 13
      DON'T DROP THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD COURT.
  8. mitrich
    -2
    15 August 2011 14: 42
    If objectively, then we are in 3rd place after the United States and China.
    1. cVM
      cVM
      -2
      15 August 2011 15: 30
      China has more than ours, but quality also speaks its word
    2. svvaulsh
      +1
      15 August 2011 15: 47
      We, Mitrich, have subordination and discipline. So the general, but for such a place ... NO! This cannot be (from the immortal film "DMB"). I would give the first three places to Germany - diligence, pedantry; Russia - unpretentiousness, recklessness; Japan is fanatic. In the United States, all the power is backed by huge budgets and technological superiority. China has not won a single war without outside help.
      1. Superduck
        +1
        15 August 2011 16: 17
        The Germans in Afghanistan refused to leave their fortress in the most humble province because they were afraid to spoil the manicure. He demanded tanks, then self-propelled guns, then generally a death star. This is a fact; the Pentagon had a big fight with them there. There is a story:
        In late April, the commander of the Berlin garrison came to Hitler and asked for surrender to the Kars army because the battle was pointless and a lot of Germans would die. To which Hitler answered him something like the following:
        - All real Germans have already died in battles, and those who remained are unworthy of pity, they are not Germans.
        And this is one of the rare moments when I agree with him. Our grandfathers finally killed them the gene pool, the one that remained migrants eat up.
        About the same garbage was with the Dutch, recently the commander of NATO "peacekeepers" then, already in retirement, expressed himself about the abandonment of Srebrinitsa by the Dutch forces, where then there was a massacre. He said that it was strange to expect something different from the army p_d_a-r..ov.
        1. svvaulsh
          +4
          15 August 2011 16: 28
          I had in mind the past wars. Naturally, neither the Bundeswehr, nor the Japanese self-defense forces, now play a significant role in the balance of power. But there is a people that can be mobilized, and then qualities will come into effect that will decide the arrangement of places in this rating. The winner is not the one who is pumped up, but the one who has a stronger spirit.
    3. dmitri077
      0
      28 January 2012 02: 03
      lame objectivity lol
  9. cVM
    cVM
    -5
    15 August 2011 16: 00
    yes one thing is not happy that our generals are drunks (what to do about the modern life of Russians is, alas
    here is our enemy is vodka
  10. ZEBRASH
    +1
    15 August 2011 16: 43
    Victory is not with those who have power, but with those who have truth
    1. +5
      15 August 2011 17: 36
      It would not be bad if it were so, but in life, the one who is stronger wins. And then, as a winner, he rewrites history in such a way that it turns out that he was right.
    2. Superduck
      -1
      15 August 2011 17: 39
      In fairy tales
    3. Grifon)))
      -3
      19 August 2011 21: 38
      I agree! remember the film by Sergei Bodrov (ml). there was one moment there when he was caught by one Pindos in a skyscraper at the table (with our Stolichnaya vodka) and asked him: - what is the strength, brother? in money? no! the power of the truth! whoever has the truth is stronger!)
      1. Mesniy
        -2
        19 August 2011 22: 29
        for small children and idiots
    4. dmitri077
      0
      28 January 2012 02: 04
      and the truth is valid brother wink
  11. +5
    15 August 2011 17: 44
    The army needs to be re-equipped, not a couturier’s uniform ordered
    1. Stiffmaister
      -1
      16 August 2011 02: 29
      the uniform from the couturier would also not hurt, the main thing is that it was convenient to fight in it
  12. makrus
    0
    15 August 2011 18: 03
    ISRAEL FOREVO
  13. Russian-Ukrainian
    +5
    15 August 2011 20: 16
    I think that in any serious conflict we will win, if we survive to this point
    1. Superduck
      +3
      15 August 2011 20: 22
      The only thing that can defeat the Russians is other Russians, so the story has developed and this is oh how sad.
      1. gor
        gor
        +1
        7 January 2012 00: 16
        and who said that the morale of the Russians is high? Do you call the canal from the army a high morale?))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )
  14. +1
    15 August 2011 21: 44
    The United States has never fought with an equal enemy, but they are well prepared for any operation (reconnaissance, recruitment, bribery, tweeter). If the losses exceed a certain percentage, the operation is completed.
    We are lovers of fair fight and to the bitter end, this is a fundamental difference.
    Ours in the field are wiped with snow, and Pindos cannot fight without diapers and beer.
    1. dmitri077
      0
      28 January 2012 02: 06
      who is the "equal enemy" for the USA? Iraq of 1991 put all the "i's" on top!
  15. -1
    15 August 2011 21: 57
    What a propaganda team is working!
    Well, everything seems to be understandable with the US Army. But I don’t understand about China. Are they competing with the military budget? China doesn’t wage wars, the budget is big, but it’s not combat readiness, it’s just grandmother !!! The article didn’t even mention the armies of Israel or the North .Korea, yes there are still few countries.
    Guano article ..........
    1. +1
      15 August 2011 22: 13
      APASUS, grandmothers and we seem to be relentlessly allocated, but where do they go - like water in the sand into the pockets of the elite. and things are still there
  16. MIR
    MIR
    +3
    15 August 2011 23: 14
    SuperUtka, here's a Russian who wants to fight with the Russians (some have already fought) - Western Ukrainians.

    The other day, I watched a story about the BMP-2M, it was praised for a long time, it exceeded Bradley by 2 times in terms of firepower. Algeria already has 300 cars, Indonesia signed a contract for 350 cars. And Russia for 5 years bought as many as 30 BMPs for the Airborne Forces !!!
    1. Superduck
      -2
      16 August 2011 00: 39
      Yes, unless they, directly under the Germans there were 5 divisions of Russian only.
  17. Dr. Mortimer
    -8
    16 August 2011 17: 01
    Poor Yankees always took them in the 19th century, Great Britain, then after the Second World War of the USSR, did not recognize their victory in the Second World War, now now you humiliate them! Poor americos!
    1. Grifon)))
      +1
      19 August 2011 21: 43
      If you feel so sorry for them, then tell me why they supplied the spirits during the Afghan war with "Stingers"? not to shoot down our turntables and planes? go to the forest to save hedgehogs!)
    2. zczczc
      +1
      24 August 2011 20: 07
      Not "forced", but "forced".

      Is it subtle humor or ridicule?
    3. KASKAD
      +3
      26 August 2011 01: 40
      You would regret the Russians, since the time of Gorbachev, no one has put them, even the Ukrainians and the istontsi periodically scoff at the veterans at the Victory Parade Bendera ring, then the Nazis hold rallies accusing the USSR at the beginning of World War II when attacking Poland in 1939 together with Germany.
      In the union, they would have been hanged for this, and Medvoputy can only lick assholes and can, and even with Serdyukov, finish off the military-industrial complex.
      1. Mesniy
        -2
        28 August 2011 22: 18
        USSR war arsonist on a par with fascist Germany
  18. Dr. Mortimer
    -6
    16 August 2011 17: 06
    But seriously, the United States has always been a powerful power: the war against Japan, and the almost open confrontation between the United States and the USSR in Cuba, Korea, Iraq and Syria! And now if you compare Amerikos with Vanya, I think the handicap will be with the Yankees! This was clearly demonstrated by the war. In Georgia and Chechnya, I think too! The GRU special forces, the pennant are a thing of the past, and SEAL and the green berets with the Delta are still standing, and well standing, for the independence of their country and the freedom of Democracy!
    1. LESHA pancake
      -3
      24 August 2011 20: 18
      DEMOCRACY IS NOT BETTER THAN COMMUNISM THE METHODS OF ACHIEVING THE OBJECTIVE THE SAME. THE MORE THAN THE CORES THE BEST RESULT.
      1. dmitri077
        0
        28 January 2012 02: 09
        tell us about repression, collectivization, industrialization, mass hunger in a democracy? when and where?!
    2. KASKAD
      +1
      26 August 2011 01: 49
      I agree with your every word, our only soaked and then frozen bricks can be broken on children's mornings, there is no Cascade left, no Zenith, and even Pennant went into oblivion and there is no army special forces of the highest category in Russia.
    3. oper66
      +2
      30 August 2011 00: 54
      haha they have now in the army chaplains same-sex marriages can conclude that families would serve what handicap were seals now sea cats
    4. gor
      gor
      +1
      7 January 2012 00: 18
      someone here cuts his eyes here club and minuses)))))))))))))))))))))
  19. One of many
    +3
    16 August 2011 20: 55
    Mortimer, here for such a point of view you will be accused of heresy, anathematized, etc. etc.))). here the Americans are definitely "Pindos" .., no options.
    US forces (alas) definitely occupy the first place. the second (purely my opinion) army of Israel. and the third I don’t know ... but most likely not China and very sorry but the Russian army does not occupy it either.
    who knows about the Russian army, then that I don’t know, share it. Maybe I can change my vision for the better.
  20. Garfield
    -2
    17 August 2011 00: 09
    The most efficient army is the USA! Talking about patriotism, fortitude, etc. - "gray mare". The main thing is taking care of the personnel. Really, hypothetically, someone can imagine that even a fucking battalion of US Marine Corps, at that fucking time, could "take" Grozny longer than we? Yes, raskheracheli used apricots within 1-2 days !!!

    1. -1
      19 August 2011 00: 03
      Yes, calm down. First, the formidable would be razed to the ground, with everything, both with civilians. And with militants, then they would try to enter, oops. Again they shoot at us, call F-16 and B-52-iron-try. And ours in the marching we entered the columns at all. and didn’t even wait. that they would be so "accepted."
      1. svvaulsh
        -2
        24 August 2011 20: 14
        And I remember how the valiant American Marines + Delta, liquidated in Mogadishu, and, most importantly, against whom!
        1. gor
          gor
          +1
          7 January 2012 11: 58
          and how they managed then that they lost about 20 people killed, and from the Somali militants about 1000. as far as I understand, the most advanced ones say they’re done))))))))))))) and I saw someone about Iraq such ruins in Iraq as in Grozny? no, I haven’t seen it. And one should not forget that in Iraq the Americans faced an enemy who really fought on the basis of some convictions and, therefore, morale was rather high. I mean the guerrilla war.
    2. LESHA pancake
      -1
      24 August 2011 20: 19
      DID NOT.
    3. KASKAD
      +3
      26 August 2011 02: 02
      4 strikers (who do not know the mini-army of 4 thousand people of tanks and equipment) did the same in Fallujah and was almost Grozny there, they stupidly gave a corridor for civilians who didn’t go out to blame themselves and suggested that the majadheads surrender, they refused, after which the army intelligence After a couple of skyscrapers and adjusting artillery and aviation area after area after the artillery attacks, the Marine Corps was supported by tanks and attack helicopters, the losses during the assault on the city did not exceed 100 people.
      1. oper66
        -1
        30 August 2011 01: 00
        if our ebnka had not been inhibited from the Kremlin and Berezovsky would have finished the first company by Christmas. in the second company, civilians came up with us, and if fire from the village is not possible to answer us there, civilians their mother .....
      2. +2
        4 September 2011 22: 06
        You do not compare the Chechens and Arabs. The Arabs do not know how to fight, by definition. And do not compare how the Americans fight - they first raze the ground with aviation, artillery, and then they enter. It doesn’t work, the artillery again. They act like invaders, and ours whatever one may say, they fought with the citizens of their own country, whatever it may be, and psychologically this affects every fighter
  21. ESCANDER
    +3
    17 August 2011 18: 06
    Dr. Mortimer
    I joked! It’s worth noting that it’s a war against JAPAN, and not with the Hitler coalition, where the Yankees stumbled upon Hitler’s declaration of war (after all, the British brothers screamed for help, and Stalin Roosevelt said, “Why are you so afraid of the Germans? Conquer with ours and everything will pass ... "but how did they gouge Hitler — what did Roosevelt not continue with the Yaps? Stalin, how did they break the girl down for a ground invasion? But now the Pindos are happy to label the invaders, they have capitulated from them, and the Russian bastards robbed everything the islands were taken away from the poor fellow ... Amerikos and Vanya are not standing next to them.

    One of many
    Why no options?
    More Americans, Yankees, Amers, -Removed mat-, and –censured-.
    --- "who knows about the Russian army, what I don’t know - share. Maybe I can change my vision for the better." - Look through the story, it is longer and thicker here.

    Garfield
    --- “Really, hypothetically, someone can imagine that even a fucking battalion of the US Marine Corps, at that fucking time, could“ take ”Grozny longer than we do? Yes, raskheracheli used apricots within 1-2 days !!! "
    Well, yes, like the "Black Eagle" in Magadish!
    1. jamert
      -2
      17 August 2011 19: 32
      1. The USSR entered the war with Japan on August 8, 1945 - 2 days after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and the day before the atomic bombing of Nagasaki. That is, the Yankees have actually won the war. And Roosevelt asked Stalin to start a war not because he was afraid but: 1. Stalin claimed Port Arthur, Dalniy and influence in Korea, and for this he had to try and 2. Roosevelt wanted to save the lives of American soldiers.

      2. In Mogadishu, the Americans did not try to take the city by storm. And as many as 2 dozen of them died. Therefore, comparison with the storming of the terrible is inappropriate. And by the way, none of them behaved like a "cowardly pendos".
      1. ESCANDER
        -3
        19 August 2011 17: 47
        jamert
        1. - Who told you such tales? Discovery Channel seen enough?
        “That is, the Yankees have actually won the war.” - ???
        Until the foot of the infantryman sets foot on the enemy’s land, there can be no talk of any “actually”! Nuclear bombing did not break the spirit of the Japanese army, and the Emperor did not give orders for surrender until Stalin opened a second front.
        2. - Still, as appropriate, if you try to compare the Negro with Chichen, Mogadish with Grozny and Pindos armament, along with equipment with what we had.
        1. One of many
          +4
          19 August 2011 20: 48
          I am reading ESKANDER Your point 2. I am trying to compare the above ... the Somalis at that time had fought for many years. so whose army is the most efficient? American at the time of the operation (not the assault) in Mogadishu or Russian during the assault on Grozny? in my opinion, you yourself confirm that the "Pindoss" weapons and equipment were better than the Russian one. Or did I not understand something?
          America has all the recent wars fought far from the "metropolis." Is mobility good? and the supply and support services in general, plus a huge one. and our quartermasters ..? A.V. Suvorov was still shooting them ...
          I saw American sailors and "Marins" (marines). Normal, healthy, very confident guys. Well, they didn’t look like knocked down "Pindos". and if we happen to fight with them, then it is better to fight at least approximately on an equal footing ... this is my judgment looking at them.
          and yet ... in my opinion on this forum no one experiences the joys of American hegemony. Germans are a thing of the past ... American power (economic, political, military) is obvious. Do not see, do not notice it? rest on the laurels of past victories reassuring ourselves that we have the highest military spirit?
          1. ESCANDER
            -3
            23 August 2011 18: 50
            Eco You, One of many, compared the Somali with Chichen? Have you ever seen one of them live? With prisoners can communicate?
            Do you seriously think that Chechnya has fought less than Somalia?
            You correctly understood that the Pindos equipment and weapons at the time of the assault were better than the Russian ones, but you didn’t understand that this, alas, did not help them, despite the superorganization of the rear services. And we at one time (if it were not for the Moscow-deleted- from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) would have managed without these “options”. Or are you completely unaware of the organization of the assault?
            1. One of many
              +2
              23 August 2011 19: 58
              eco you distort ESCANDER. to compare (Chechens, blacks, menacing, mogadishu) you started. Do not believe it? look at the message thread.
              Somalia has been waging war both with its neighbors and civilian since about the mid-seventies. Of this, I suppose the Negroes had more military experience ...
              and you know, I am quite sure that if it were not for the Moscow-removed mat- (or whatever you called them there) from the RF Ministry of Defense, they would have done without American "options". But only these s dominate in our domestic MO. and more "organization "the assault was lousy.
              Do you even understand that you contradict yourself? I don’t see logic in your judgments.
              - in due time we would manage if ...
              - ..... organization of the assault
              maybe in your understanding the army is just soldiers?
              no one doubts that the Russian soldier is the best soldier. and become heroes immediately. posthumously. by whose criminal dishonesty or direct betrayal? he answered .., not to me - to himself. because of s in OUR RUSSIAN MO.
              but about what I saw or did not see (Chechens, Negroes) I will answer with the words of my commander’s platoon of a member of many African military services, including and in somalia.
              - DO NOT SING THE SONG OF MILITARY SONGS.
              but from my life experience I know that there is no confidence in someone who often tears a vest on his chest.
              1. ESCANDER
                -2
                24 August 2011 15: 14
                Quite voluminous. Are you worried?
                “Hypothetically” compared ours with the Yankees in Grozny Garfild, see the branch above.
                Meanwhile, I trust you and do not stuff.
                And I can answer not “with the words of my commander’s platoon of a participant in all African wars,” but with my own.
                I am aware that Somali blacks have been at war since the seventies, only Chechens have been at war for their whole lives, as long as they remember.

                --- "Or maybe in your understanding the army is just soldiers?"
                For my understanding of the army you need to learn from me and then serve - will such an answer suit you?
                Cho, you got it wrong, I don’t ask questions to answer myself, and I don’t complain about logic. Do not really strain the idiot to sculpt, I can think bad.
                And there are enough oak-breakers and they don’t think that they only sit with us.
                1. One of many
                  +1
                  24 August 2011 19: 16
                  nothing lengthy. questions, answers. no "water". yes, I'm worried that there are such gentlemen officers in the Russian army ...
                  hypothetically, Garfild said about the Yankees in the terrible, but an inappropriate comparison with the “black eagle” came from you. and the same negroes have been fighting since then. all my life. (googled. so it seems?)
                  and it wasn't about trust as such. It's just that when some people end up with arguments, "weighty" arguments are used; "and here I am ..."
                  but I believe that on this forum there are people with no less merit.
                  the amount of education does not always mean quality. about to serve - I agree.
                  about "I ask or not ask questions to answer myself" plus logic ... - let the people judge.
                  I didn’t bring a single argument in favor of RA. The above arguments are not. yes, I was not in Chechnya and the Caucasus in general. and nevertheless I had something to compare with. and the comparison is far from always in our Russian direction.
                  from your "think" about me ... here I like that ... no difference.
                  and in general ... it was unnecessary for you to answer me if you consider me a moron.
                  be healthy. good luck to you.
                  ... and I don’t get sick.
                  1. ESCANDER
                    +2
                    24 August 2011 19: 46
                    About the idiot - I said that you sculpt it from me.
                    About "such gentlemen of officers" - how do you know what kind of officer I am, what quality my education is? I can say - Soviet quality. For all my shortcomings, I tried to learn and serve.
                    Comparison with the "Black Eagle" (by the way - Hawk, I was mistaken, but you should correct me, if you are a specialist in Africa) it is very appropriate, if you want, I will explain.
                    I think so - in order to have the RESOLUTION of something to compare with something, you need (at least) to have only 3 things:
                    1 - serve in the army of the Russian Federation
                    2 - to fight in Chechnya
                    3 - to fight (not from the words of a major) in Africa.
                    But about "from your" thinking "about me ... here I like that ... no difference." - you are dissembling.
                    Not a difference to you. Me too.
                    Sincerely.
                    ESCANDER.
                    1. One of many
                      +1
                      24 August 2011 19: 57
                      decent answer. thank you.
                      I'm sorry if some of my words hooked "hooked". I do not feel any personal hostility towards anyone on the forum.
                      I do not dissemble))). but let it be your way)))
                    2. gor
                      gor
                      +1
                      7 January 2012 12: 07
                      you might think you have high morale and smash anyone with a sapper blade from a distance of 50 meters)))))))))))))))))))) rip on and continue the vest. do your work
        2. jamert
          -2
          26 August 2011 19: 50
          Discovery Channel is better than the usual ravings for this site about the world's coolest and super-duper-invincible Russian army.

          Now about "the foot of the infantryman will not set foot on the enemy's ground." We read:
          "The Battle of Iwo Jima began on February 16 and ended on March 26, 1945, with a US victory. This was the first US military operation against Japan itself."

          "The Battle of Okinawa, also known as Operation Iceberg, is an operation to seize the Japanese island of Okinawa by US forces with the support of the American and British fleets. The battle was the penultimate amphibious assault operation in the Pacific theater of operations and at the same time the last before the Soviet-Japanese war. a significant battle of World War II]. The fighting lasted 82 days and ended only on June 23, 1945 "

          That is, in fact, JAPAN LOSED WAR ALREADY before 08.08.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX
          1. Mesniy
            -4
            28 August 2011 22: 22
            The bulk of those who write on this site do not know history at all and judge the past by shitty communal slogans, but in them the Soviet Union is clear, and the main victim and the main and only winner, the peace senator and others.
          2. gor
            gor
            +1
            7 January 2012 12: 09
            and for d ... fishing. Japan surrendered after the nuclear bombing and Stalin by this time the second front had long since opened
        3. gor
          gor
          +1
          7 January 2012 12: 03
          in mogadishu, the soldiers had only light small arms. and what are you going to equalize ???????)))))))))))))))
    2. One of many
      +4
      17 August 2011 20: 07
      ECI epithets and labels in the direction of America ... but only YOU ESCANDER feel better from this.
      the discussion is about the MOST ABLE ARMIES TODAY and I said my opinion in this context about the Russian army in the counter to one of the members of the forum. and YOU face me with a thick and long story poking ...
      I think that in general I know the story well. and you? tie this with a bang ... yankees are strong warriors. not cowardly Pindos.
      1. ESCANDER
        +1
        19 August 2011 17: 35
        On the part of the story - and I do not complain.
        At the expense of URA - you have more to the Yankees than I have to mine.
        Underestimate the enemy can not be exactly as much as overestimate.
        No one disputes that the Yankees are strong warriors, only it will be a little stronger, and the Russians have gouged them. So who is stronger, Yankees?
        1. Mesniy
          -9
          19 August 2011 20: 16
          without the help of allies, the ussr would merge as early as 41, well and then yes, they filled up with corpses, a pyrrhic victory - the people ended, Russia is dying out
          1. MichaelVl
            0
            23 August 2011 19: 25
            Mesniy
            who are you, MIRACLE? :)))))
            ALL allies were already blown away when Germany started the war with the USSR. And if the USSR alone had not broken the ridge of the Nazis, there would have been no allies of yours, as well as yourself. Scum.
            1. Mesniy
              -4
              26 August 2011 00: 07
              Scum is you, England fought alone with Germany for 2 years, and did not blow away at all, but still provided the Council of Deputies with help, the United States fought all over the world, and their military machine had no equal. "USSR alone" - don't be ridiculous!
              By the way, why wouldn’t I exist without the Soviets? -.
              There was no sickly under the Soviets, the union grunted - I feel even better.
              And here the comments are written only "forever yesterday", sorry for you, the world is changing, and you cling to the chimera stories thrown into the dustbin ...
            2. Aktium
              +2
              31 August 2011 21: 41
              The entire "valiant" Red Army drove American Willys (450000 units). Lend-lease supplies helped the USSR to restore heavy industry (for example, molybdenum, without which the T-34 bronch could not be produced) and in the first two years of the war (41- 42) provided the Red Army with small arms, light aircraft, tanks and ammunition.
              At the very least, it’s not wise to scold the Americans, given what they did for the USSR before the war (help in creating a heavy industry and training Soviet personnel by American engineers) and during it.
              If you, MikhailVl, are such a patriot of the "Soviet Motherland", then you should know these things and not speak so contemptuously about the Americans. After all, it was Roosevelt who dragged England into the war on the side of the USSR, threatening to deprive the British of the Gold Reserve, which was kept in the United States.
              1. LESHA pancake
                0
                5 September 2011 00: 25
                These jeeps were bought for the gold of the USSR and the Yankees did not help us for nothing. TRUMEN generally considered the MORE Russians and Germans kill each other, the better for America.
                1. zczczc
                  +1
                  6 September 2011 23: 49
                  Perhaps a plus - i.e. the truth is both this and that (both at Aktsium, and at Lyokha), but we didn’t get it all for free ...
                  1. gor
                    gor
                    +1
                    7 January 2012 12: 12
                    Well, yes, and if they were not there, they would put it in gold .....
  22. Dr. Mortimer
    -2
    17 August 2011 19: 06
    Fazil Iskanderovich uvov such a tough and embittered attitude towards the United States as a Jew to the NSDP! What causes it?
    And I hope you as a healthy person will not deny the participation and assistance of the United States in the victory over the Cavetun Imperial Army of Japan and the National Socialist Army of Germany? bully
    1. ESCANDER
      0
      19 August 2011 17: 23
      I'll see - wit?
      You should not rank me as your brother, dear. I am not a Jew.
      And I don’t like Pindos, that's right, there are many reasons for it and number 1 - it was a likely enemy to them and remains, do not have illusions.
      And you, I hope, as a healthy person, you will not deny that the Emperor announced the surrender of Japan due to the opening of a second front and the invasion of Soviet troops, and not from the American Herosim and Nagasak? Read the memoirs of Japanese warlords.
    2. LESHA pancake
      -3
      24 August 2011 20: 21
      THIS GENETICS HERE CAN'T DO ANYTHING YOU YANKS YOURSELF GROWING YOURSELF ENEMIES.
      1. Mesniy
        -3
        26 August 2011 00: 10
        Precisely, genetics, the people of Russia have degenerated by artificial selection of communist breeders in such - "LYOKHA damn"
        The trouble!
  23. Pinocchio
    +3
    17 August 2011 20: 37
    The combat readiness of the army is difficult to discuss outside of hostilities. When Hitler began his campaign in Europe, the French army was the best in the world. However, German troops left no chance for the French. The army was defeated in a short time. Being numerous and trained is not the most important factor in combat readiness. But to be ready to repel aggression, this is the main task of our political and military leadership! We cannot afford to be taken aback again. Can not......
    1. Mesniy
      -11
      18 August 2011 00: 36
      And then there is nothing to discuss. The combat readiness of the Soviets was shown by Avgan first, then Chechnya, and in Ossetia there was a lot of crap too. It is ridiculous to compare with the American one. The Americans fought very worthy in all wars.
      And cheers - patriots with a red heart - remember whose army was surrendered by the millions and fought against the NKVD detachments behind the back and in fear of being shot on the spot
      The Americans liberated half the world without it.
      1. +1
        18 August 2011 23: 54
        But do you think the Americans have no crap? Yes, no less, I think. And they bomb their people and dozens of civilians. Vietnam, Korea? Is that a role model? Russians have never waged wars of conquest, and we can lose the battle, but always win the war. Oddly enough
        1. One of many
          +3
          19 August 2011 02: 57
          I was here in the "pug" Story poked ... turn over and you please. Caucasus, Central Asia, Poland, Finland .., and that's not all. they didn’t voluntarily join the Russian Empire ..?
          and in wars we were not always victors. Crimean, Russian - Japanese, World War I. These were lost wars with subsequent annexation. and it doesn’t matter at all why the defeat followed. For political, economic reasons, or the tactical component of this defeat. The army itself does not wage war. The state wages war.
        2. Mesniy
          -10
          19 August 2011 20: 08
          And you don't think, it turns out badly, you read the historical facts, Russia has been and is waging aggressive wars all the time, and the lost ones were listed by the gentleman under the nickname "one of many." And this is not a complete list
          Without the help of the Allies, the Second World USSR would also have been shamed, albeit the main instigator.
          1. +1
            20 August 2011 20: 13
            It’s going well for you. Firstly, they began to help when they saw that the USSR was beginning to attack. Lend-Lease deliveries are a drop in the sea, taking into account the country's needs, although no one belittles them. Secondly, the second front opened on that for the same reason, it’s just that nobody in the West wanted to see the USSR as the only winner. You learn history along the way from American textbooks. So wash yourself, and don’t poke me, –– removed mat, –– truncated?
            1. Mesniy
              -3
              21 August 2011 09: 58
              Learn history, landlize from the moment the Soviet Union entered the war against Germany, Zhukov in Soviet times said that they couldn’t stand without landliz, learn history and don’t repeat the musty commies that history sent to the toilet.
          2. LESHA pancake
            -1
            24 August 2011 20: 24
            FACTS AS THE LAW WHERE TURNED THERE AND OUTPUT.
        3. KASKAD
          +1
          26 August 2011 02: 13
          From Fredley Fair, according to statistics, 35-40% of personnel losses do not matter what kind of military operations it is important that the Americans solve this problem with individual recognition systems and navigation systems at a tactical level, and even a decent conversation cannot be sewn with us?
      2. Joker
        -1
        18 August 2011 23: 57
        A detachment of detachments and a commissar with a gun attached to each fighter is propaganda for ordinary people like you.

        They crap on the ardenes specifically, having a numerical advantage every 7-10 (in manpower, tanks, artillery, airplanes, etc.), only the transfer of our offensive helped.

        In the first world, they also ran into the curtain.

        Quote: Mesniy
        remember whose army was surrendered by the millions and fought against the NKVD detachments


        - but in general everyone probably judges by himself ..
        1. jamert
          +2
          19 August 2011 15: 31
          The detachments are a quite tangible historical fact. And the surrender of millions of Red Army soldiers in 1941, too.
        2. Mesniy
          -14
          19 August 2011 20: 04
          Yes, I wouldn’t begin to substitute the head for the commies, as I would not now for edrosos-medveput, but what you write about the Ardennes is rubbish, you don’t know history.
          1. Grifon)))
            0
            19 August 2011 22: 00
            do you know her?! my pradet passed the whole war and fought after the war. what is your nationality? insulting holy memory! grandfathers blood strait not for orders and medals, but for their will, for the will of their state. go save the hedgehogs!)
            1. Mesniy
              -12
              19 August 2011 22: 35
              here go and save. And I know the story well. And what happened from who? What changes? For this, it’s not cold and not hot. For what will? He was a slave to the CPSU, you are a slave of edrososov. Go away, die for them. The holy memory of what - the Bolsheviks - who had nothing sacred? Fuck it, these are fairy tales for the stupid cattle to use it more conveniently and head off so that it substitutes.
              1. slan
                0
                19 August 2011 22: 45
                Degenerate, can you walk, or did mutations primarily affect the head? Historian))
                1. +2
                  19 August 2011 23: 46
                  he is a potential police officer in the occupation forces.
                  1. LESHA pancake
                    +1
                    24 August 2011 20: 26
                    ON HIS BIRCH.
              2. Tyumen
                +1
                7 January 2012 12: 29
                Quote: Mesniy
                Bolshevichkov - who had nothing holy


                The spiritual foundation of our power
                And a faith whose temper is so frantic
                Relic relic relic
                The largest atheist in Russia. smile
          2. LESHA pancake
            -1
            24 August 2011 20: 26
            And I NEVER HEAD THE NEED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR SHITS. HISTORIES HAVE NO SENSE TO MENTION IT TO SINNERS ON US.
          3. alnikar
            +1
            1 September 2011 12: 27
            If you "stick your head out" you won't get anywhere, not for the government, but for your family and friends
      3. LESHA pancake
        -1
        24 August 2011 20: 23
        O FIFTH COLUMN APPEARED NOW WE WILL BE RELEASED.
        1. Mesniy
          -9
          25 August 2011 23: 53
          Yes, soon dictators are running away in the Arab world, discontent is growing in Belarus, soon we will restore order in Russia
      4. dmitri077
        0
        28 January 2012 02: 15
        eat ration
  24. BOSS
    -3
    18 August 2011 12: 47
    In general, I believe that S. Korea is the most powerful army now.
    1. -2
      18 August 2011 12: 54
      They are no longer fighting 60. Why on earth did they become combat-ready?
      1. +2
        18 August 2011 13: 18
        Probably because the DPRK has the highest armed forces per capita in the world.))
        1. -1
          18 August 2011 13: 55
          In other words - cannon fodder recourse
          1. -3
            19 August 2011 21: 05
            In other words - cannon meat recourse

            you watch the combat training videos of the DPRK army, then give out ...
            1. Mesniy
              -8
              19 August 2011 22: 37
              and look at the videos of Soviet times, everything is also beautiful there, and around - crap
              1. -2
                19 August 2011 23: 50
                Are you talking about Afghanistan, Chechnya and Georgia? this could be done in Americanosovsky, MLRS, Escanders and dots-u, ODABs and napalm, etc. and there would be no problems ...
                1. Mesniy
                  -6
                  21 August 2011 10: 03
                  And they did, they called the ammunition of a volume explosion, he put it on the bomb holders, and turntables with nurses - 4 hectares of scorched earth, and the strategist aviation bombed, only the nuclear bomb remained to be dropped.
            2. +1
              20 August 2011 14: 13
              1. We believe the advertising? I can show commercials of the Georgian army.
              2. My classmate served in an air defense training course in TurkVO when Koreans were being trained there. According to him, the discipline is at the highest level, the initiative is zero "as if something did not work out."
            3. dmitri077
              0
              28 January 2012 02: 19
              there you will not show such a movie ... wink
    2. dmitri077
      0
      28 January 2012 02: 18
      just to feed the guys, and everything will be fine lol
  25. +4
    18 August 2011 23: 46
    No, all the same. For all my dislike for America. I must admit that they care about the army. That is, equipment, weapons, supplies. They fight competently enough, but without fanaticism. The value of human life is incomparably higher than ours. And therefore they prefer to fight remotely, at the slightest resistance, they use artillery, aviation, and only then they go on their own. In general, a big stake on aviation. Even reconnaissance groups, well, just can't do without it. But ... it is the stake on the value of YOUR life that does not give room for heroism. , they perceive the war as a kind of computer game, but when they face the realities of war - death, blood, dirt, just everyday inconveniences, throwing begins. "Restrepo" look. It is not clear how they will behave in isolation from the supply, supply. What is Iraq? A comfortable war, at least now. In the initial stage, the Iraqis, by the way, did not show themselves in any way, they surrendered in regiments. That is, even such an army did not show itself IN ANY way, although it was considered one of the combat-ready in the region. Now they are sitting in the green zone, and nowhere do not fuss.
  26. -2
    19 August 2011 00: 18
    if the Russian army had such a budget, and all the new armaments came to the troops, and if ... Unfortunately, we are selling to Indonesia, but to the old and the old. That’s sad .. The Americans care about their army, with it, at the highest level. Convenient equipment, modern weapons, means of communication, here you are. This puts them in the first place, but controversial. for they did not manage to fight with an equal army. Iraq did not show itself, just surrendered to the regiments so no indicator
    1. Mesniy
      -6
      26 August 2011 00: 19
      Yes, the Russian army is like a bottomless barrel - no matter how many you give it - they will still plunder ...
      rotten fish from head to tail
    2. gor
      gor
      +1
      7 January 2012 00: 20
      not in clubs, you would be hiding from the army as it is now))))))))))))))))))))))))
  27. mitrich
    +1
    19 August 2011 17: 41
    I wanted to see who sent our ESCANDER to Israel?
    Knowledge Dr. Mortimera is impressive even at first glance:
    what are the "Kavetun Army of Imperial Japan" and "National Socialist Army of Germany" ...
    Yes, Fazil Iskander was half Iranian (on his father), half Abkhaz (on his mother).
  28. Sanzyro
    -1
    20 August 2011 10: 20
    In the event of a full-scale war, China is able to put on the battlefield, about 270 million reservists. The figure is - not impressive ?? This is more than the entire US population, including infants and illegal Latins ...
    1. LESHA pancake
      +1
      24 August 2011 20: 27
      CANNON FODDER.
    2. Mesniy
      -6
      26 August 2011 00: 13
      The PRC has internal problems like a bitch of fleas, but first of all, the PRC are threatened and have ter claims to one country - Russia, and who does it expose - recruits from the natur suburbs?
  29. Sanzyro
    +6
    20 August 2011 10: 30
    A detachment, by the way, is a good idea, given that there are characters like MESNIY. He would be their first customer!
    1. Mesniy
      -11
      21 August 2011 10: 05
      I would destroy them to the last drop of blood.
      1. ESCANDER
        +2
        23 August 2011 18: 55
        I wouldn’t have time.
        They said the same - in the forefront you will go!
        (And rightly said) ...
        1. Mesniy
          -9
          25 August 2011 23: 56
          Yes I would, for freedom in the western regions of the Soviet of Deputies until the 70s they fought.
          1. Boss
            0
            27 August 2011 17: 20
            Breshes, the dog !! (C) N.V. Gogol
            You, Bendera, by the end of the 50s multiplied by zero.
            1. Mesniy
              -3
              28 August 2011 15: 54
              no, in western Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic states they shot before the 70s.
              By the way, I’m not a Bandera, at least purely geographically.
              1. zczczc
                -2
                28 August 2011 15: 59
                He is not a Bandera, I confirm - Bandera knows the story better. Usually. Down there he wrote it, read ...
                He is a person with problematic self-identification - he does not know whose he is.
                1. Mesniy
                  -3
                  28 August 2011 22: 28
                  no, I have everything in order with this, inappropriately from a patient to a healthy one, although you just don’t have enough arguments ...
              2. -2
                4 September 2011 22: 15
                Yes, you are persecuting! In the Baltic states, the last "forest brother" in 56 was filled up. I myself spoke like a "hawk" who slapped him.
  30. merkawa
    +1
    23 August 2011 23: 53
    Well, so what did conscript historians agree on? The question was the most combat-ready armies — not the richest ones, the largest and the other in number. I think so: Israel’s first, then America_Russia and so on and so forth and how and from what angle to look.
    1. -2
      24 August 2011 00: 26
      Perhaps that is so. After all, almost 70 years of the war and the end it is not visible.
    2. Sanzyro
      -2
      24 August 2011 19: 33
      Combat efficiency also takes into account how many people, and at what time the country can put "in the gun." That is, a mobilization reserve, and you won't fight a lot with one division ... At least you will have some wonderful weapon. In the Soviet years, the military enlistment office system worked like clockwork ... winked
      1. Mesniy
        -12
        26 August 2011 00: 14
        shitty watch
    3. zczczc
      -2
      24 August 2011 20: 19
      Oh, what a harsh army near Srul ... I’m already afraid, afraid ...

      http://tv.russia.ru/video/diskurs_10470/ - ну очень смешно местами :)))) А то, что не смешно - так и есть.

      Israel, as a state, doesn’t have a future - the United States will throw it at the same time, and the Palestinians will finish off the box office. And over time, of course, the Israelis will be closed for global lies everywhere.
      1. Mesniy
        -7
        26 August 2011 00: 16
        Israel was buried in the USSR since its inception. Only here are the Soviepy of fins glued together for 20 years, and Israel is more alive than all living things.
        1. zczczc
          -1
          26 August 2011 00: 35
          Local, and who are you local? Come on, say :)

          Catch the minus.
          1. Mesniy
            -9
            26 August 2011 11: 58
            For what purpose are you interested?
            On this commie-bear-putenye and in every way edrososny site I'm definitely not local.
            And geographically - the Black Sea, the coast of the Kuban.
            And you minus one, by the way.
            1. zczczc
              -2
              26 August 2011 15: 25
              I wonder where these come from ...
        2. alnikar
          -2
          1 September 2011 12: 33
          Local for the USSR information was the first to recognize Israel as a state
          1. zczczc
            -2
            4 September 2011 13: 00
            alnikar, because Stalin himself lobbied for its creation, so that it was possible to evict the dissent and a thorn in order to weaken the countries of the East at the same time ...
  31. Sanzyro
    -2
    24 August 2011 19: 40
    You don’t hurry to give Israel laurels - hurry up ... Don’t write off North Korea and the Germans, you know, not everyone has vanished into the Second World War, but I don’t need to remind anyone of how to fight it. South Africa, for example, has very combat-ready formations, Angola at one time tested ...
    1. +2
      24 August 2011 20: 10
      Read about the Arab-Israeli wars.
      1. Sanzyro
        -3
        26 August 2011 09: 37
        The key word is "Arab". If there was "Germano" there, then it would have been possible not to continue, and so - even won ...
  32. -3
    26 August 2011 17: 54
    No matter how we show off, but we can not confidently say that we have a good fighting spirit. Spirit is spirit, and armament must be appropriate. The attitude of the country's leadership should also be in the subject. Unfortunately, patriotism has become an abusive word here. Woeful patriots are constantly fighting for the demilitarization of the country. We have almost reached the point of no return. And what can we hope in the near future. Army feldmebel Taburetkin and his closest associates steers the army. Some successful tax managers. They know best how to steer the army, how to provide it and so on. Read an article about Serdyukov and his friends - comrades-in-arms. Who owns and what is mined. And you don’t have to think or say anything else. They are not up to the army and its honor and dignity.
  33. Sanzyro
    +1
    26 August 2011 22: 04
    The fighting spirit of our country has been confirmed in different centuries, in many wars, and giving the palm to countries that have not shown their worth in battles, at least - is strange ... All their merit is that in recent years they bought weapons and defiantly rattle. Against the background of our humiliated and robbed army, this looks impressive! It looks, but nothing more ... History has shown what happens when, apart from the whistle-wallets, the troops have nothing. This is the same Arab-Israeli, and the landing of the Allies in Sicily, and the Ardennes, and the occupation by the Italian army of Greece, a joke in general!
    1. Mesniy
      -9
      27 August 2011 02: 12
      You’ve taught history in Murzilka’s magazine? Since the Crimean War, not a single one was won, Finland was almost defeated at the cost of tenfold losses, Finnish machine gunners went crazy ....
      1. Sanzyro
        +1
        27 August 2011 13: 44
        Well, yes, I recognize NTVeshny pseudo-historical. We did not win a single company ... Of course, there was no victory in 45 either ... We dreamed about it, campaign! Yes, what can I say! It turns out that everything has been fucked up since the Crimean War ?? I've heard a lot of shit, but this one is interesting because it's shit from the first to the last word! I don’t know where you were taught such a story, but that means there are places ... But common sense does not seem to be connected to such "historical" realities? Not, whatever you say, but Murzilka against this background is just a collection of revelations! Read at your leisure - it will be useful for you! request
        1. Mesniy
          -4
          28 August 2011 16: 04
          I revered murzilka in my childhood and began to develop further, but you’re stuck on it
          Crimean - prosran.
          Russian - Japanese prosrana
          The first world prosra, already the country crumbled,
          They climbed into Spain,
          Finnish - crap,
          Avgan - 10 years of mess
          World War II - Pyrrhic victory, the country was depopulated, behind civilization and eventually fell and continues to crumble.
          But Chechnya to remember-just a complete .ope!
          And you - "fighting spirit!" - fart steam it.
          1. dmitri077
            0
            28 January 2012 02: 25
            what was it was
      2. Boss
        0
        27 August 2011 17: 22
        We went through another department, you would not have been accepted into the army, just as you had not taken Yanukovych.
        Enemies and criminals in the army does not belong.
  34. Sanzyro
    -3
    29 August 2011 08: 57
    NO COMMENT ... wink
    1. Mesniy
      -8
      29 August 2011 13: 48
      But it’s right, it’s better to be silent than to chew patriotic snot.
      1. Joker
        0
        29 August 2011 14: 15
        What BIG и FATTY The troll looked at us.

        wink wink wink
        1. Mesniy
          -7
          30 August 2011 00: 44
          Yes, I looked into the communal sump, poured a fresh JET so to speak .... am
  35. Sanzyro
    -3
    29 August 2011 16: 42
    Yes, that there is a troll ... MONSTERY GODZILLA !!! winked
    1. -2
      29 August 2011 16: 46
      They have an aggravation today ....
      1. Mesniy
        -3
        30 August 2011 12: 10
        Well, when there is complete dullness - exacerbation is a way out and salvation
        1. -2
          2 September 2011 14: 01
          No exacerbation will help you anymore. Your threshold is not the same.
  36. Sanzyro
    -4
    30 August 2011 09: 58
    I am wondering, if not a specialist in psychopathologies, what should click there so that a person, from seemingly simple facts, begins to draw such paradoxical conclusions ??
    1. Mesniy
      -4
      30 August 2011 12: 08
      Yes, such conclusions were made by everyone who has information and is not clogged with communist propaganda head. The rest took care of the flawed sites like cockroaches, and fiercely fart from the slots on the rest of the world.
      Well, I just don’t understand: you know that such miserable regimes as you like are left on the fingers of one hand, they are all bad, they are on the sidelines of progress, their watches are numbered.
      Commune ideas along with the ideas of the national socialists (fascists) have long been in the trash.
      All countries that escaped the red plague or discarded it and got rid of the consequences (Russia still cannot get rid of this scab) can live a normal life.
      Here it is - SIMPLE FACTS!
      Well this is AXIOM!
      What is there to argue about?
      And you and the like have no arguments - insults come into play, the old communist twisted - an attempt to transfer to personalities.
      1. Joker
        0
        30 August 2011 13: 47
        Boy, you probably don’t know, but an 8-hour working day and days off were introduced in Europe precisely under the threat of a red revolution, and that is why the welfare of ordinary citizens was beneficial to the world behind the scenes.

        Look at what’s happening now, it’s more profitable for them to exploit the Arabs (they have to pay less) and they do it, now it’s not very sweet for Pindos either.

        And since there is a global crisis, it means someone is at hand.

        PS It's not komunyaki but realists gathered.
        1. Mesniy
          -4
          30 August 2011 21: 59
          Girl, is that all? It’s a little scary! How long has the five-day parliamentary debate been? What about the deadlines for being late and absenteeism? And what did the rural population get at the end of the 50s, and before that it was almost serf?
          But the Arabs regretted, do not make laugh, look outside, there is not enough pity.
          I have friends both in the states and in Germany, live FOR HUMAN!
          P.S. well, yes, "komunyaki" is no longer honored, but people like you, "realists", are called potzreoty.
          1. Joker
            -2
            9 September 2011 19: 08
            Well, my resume is this: apparently your perforated brain in captivity of your little world is not capable of objectively perceiving objective reality, otherwise you would understand the meaning of what I wrote.

            I see no reason to continue the dialogue, good luck in an alternative reality.
  37. Sanzyro
    -3
    31 August 2011 19: 05
    He compared the ass and the finger ... Us and the states ... You still draw an analogy with Luxembourg. And after that you pretend to be the ultimate truth ?? Funny, naive and teenager assertive ... wink
    1. Mesniy
      0
      31 August 2011 21: 14
      Well then you called Russia that ass? And I yay! Not potsreotichno! am
  38. alnikar
    +3
    1 September 2011 12: 45
    In my opinion, we tutu left the topic

    If we consider the combat readiness of the army as a clash of more or less similar armies, then definitely Israel (Arab-Israeli war),
    If the scale of operations is clearly the US Army.
    And if we take comparisons in general on the actions of the armies in the Russia-Georgia and States-Libya ligaments, if you consider such comparisons adequate, then there is nothing better to say about the Russian army, by and large the war ended instantly (it’s a pity only the guys of peacekeepers).

    And if you take these three armies in battles with local resistance, then not Israel, not the states, not our army, have achieved success.
  39. Fuck_usa
    -3
    1 September 2011 14: 30
    Good afternoon, I completely agree with alnikar, if you take the combat readiness of the armies, then first of all it is Israel .... But you can’t discount North Korea, a country that lives only on DEFENSE. The author touches the US Army and evaluates it as a priority over all armies in the world, this is not so. The cost of $ 18000 per unit, this is not an indicator. China itself spends much less, dozens of times, and we can counteract a lot with OUR SAPER SHOVELS and the remnants of the USSR. Compare, for example, the prices of Abrams and our T-90s, the essence is the same, but Abrams are more expensive ....
    1. Mesniy
      -2
      2 September 2011 23: 33
      Well, you have a nickname, eccentric!
      Involuntarily a fable about a pug and an elephant reminds ...
  40. Sanzyro
    -2
    2 September 2011 09: 24
    Ay, as many fans of the Israeli army ... wink Doubt creeps in, in the multinationality of this forum ... feel
    1. Sanzyro
      -2
      4 September 2011 12: 44
      Local, admit you minus lupanul ?? ;-)))
    2. zczczc
      -2
      4 September 2011 13: 06
      Ugums. But admins don’t believe me that the results of a vote about a hunchback may not be the most predicted ...
      http://topwar.ru/6530-predatelstvo-msgorbacheva.html
  41. -2
    2 September 2011 09: 49
    Quote: Mesniy
    Finnish - crap,
    Avgan - 10 years of mess
    World War II - Pyrrhic victory, the country was depopulated, behind civilization and eventually fell and continues to crumble.


    Would history be revered or something ... And not according to the NTV or Discovery programs ...
    The result of the Finnish war was the acquisition of profitable territories, for which they offered to pay with our lands, large, I note, in terms of area. And so it was imparted that the Finns did not rock the Great Patriotic War, although they could even help the Germans near Leningrad.
    Learn the materiel for argument ...

    Quote: Mesniy
    Yes, I looked into the communal sump, poured a fresh JET so to speak ....


    Well, yes, yes ... Purely on democracy ...

    Quote: Mesniy
    Well, when there is complete dullness - exacerbation is a way out and salvation

    Quote: Mesniy
    All countries that escaped the red plague or discarded it and got rid of the consequences (Russia still cannot get rid of this scab) can live a normal life.


    let’s aggravate and tear together amicably under Uncle Sam’s warm palm. Passed, alas.

    Quote: Mesniy
    What about deadlines for being late and absenteeism?


    And how much have you been given? Where did you sit? Or did they read it to Solzhenitsyn?

    Quote: Mesniy
    I have friends both in the states and in Germany, live FOR HUMAN!


    Well, do not just about normal living there. Familiar not only with you. the whole question is WHAT they need from life, your friends. I think the list will be very simple and short. Green card, housing, car, 100 sausage varieties. And all this can be had here, oddly enough.
    Then why are you still here?
    deuce, go learn the material ...
    1. Mesniy
      -2
      2 September 2011 23: 32
      The approach is solid but the argumentation of the answers is extremely weak, more emotion.
      It is difficult to convince a person of something if he categorically does not want it, is blindfolded and biased.
      Live in your fictional little world, fight with the realities of this world and common sense.
      As they say passing ...
  42. alnikar
    -2
    2 September 2011 10: 52
    Quote: Sanzyro
    Ay, as there are many lovers of the Israeli army ... Doubts creep in about the multinationality of this forum ...


    It’s just that from the modern armies after the Second World War, Israel was the only one who fought with a comparable army, that's why they often write that they have high combat efficiency, and to evaluate the real combat efficiency of our army, the USA, Germany, China, we need a big war, so let such clarifications in FIG the army of Israel will be better than another world
    1. Sanzyro
      -3
      4 September 2011 12: 40
      The world is already underway, if you have not noticed ... And there are some doubts about the Arab-Israeli one. Oh, how Egypt fought, in my opinion everyone read and looked feel so I don't comment. Why do they forget Angola all the time? There was a real war! With the use of aviation and armored vehicles! The Cubans did not show themselves badly there, they had their “Stalingrad” there, so it’s even indecent to point to Israel. Korea and Vietnam were also not weak wars, but alas - they don't remember ...
  43. . PS
    -2
    3 September 2011 04: 02
    Ideologists have done a good job on people's minds. So they just reached their place, it is not surprising that a person sometimes goes where they lead him. I read the words of people a little, I was interested and yet ...... but if you look wider ???
  44. lightforcer
    -1
    11 October 2011 22: 05
    Generally speaking, one can talk about combat effectiveness only after seeing the army in action.
  45. The
    The
    +1
    21 October 2011 02: 05
    Troll ... flood ... Let's start in order. The combat effectiveness of the armed forces is made up of a number of factors. And the main ones do not belong to the army itself - the army is a mold of society, as well as one of the socio - economic institutions designed to fulfill the task assigned to it ... And what is the task? This is where the fun begins. "Shitcrats" (you forgive, but Russia before the "free society" ... South Korea went to this from the 40s to the 90s, Taiwan even longer, in Germany the "crap" of the 20s brought Adolf to power, which b it, and you want a country where PEASANT LAW was abolished only in 1903 bam and became a "free society"?) pouring out bile, they shout about "Russian imperialism", "patriots" (don't you think that the history of Russia is clear and has repeatedly shown that a strong government will inevitably lead to the collapse of "greatness" 1917, 1991 ...) pouring out bile they shout about "American imperialism" ... What tasks are facing certain states and are their armed forces capable of fulfilling them?
  46. The
    The
    +1
    2 November 2011 17: 57
    I advise everyone http://www.vko.ru/DesktopModules/Articles/ArticlesView.aspx?tabID=320&ItemID=164
    & mid = 2859 & wversion = Staging, so to speak, for a change - one of the best sites ...
  47. dmitri077
    0
    28 January 2012 02: 28
    funny flood turned out winked
  48. d_t_p
    0
    6 February 2013 00: 24
    everything is absolutely true