North Korean rockets

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Let us turn to the "great and terrible" North Korean missiles.

North Korean rockets


The KPA Rocket Forces, whose command (subordinated directly to Supreme Commander Kim Jong-un), is called the “Bureau of Artillery Control,” are created in the image and likeness of the Rocket Forces (Second Artillery) of the People’s Liberation Army of China. Like the Chinese, North Korean missile forces include units armed with tactical, operational-tactical and strategic missile systems. However, taking into account the doctrinal task of inflicting a military defeat on South Korea with an opportunity, all North Korean missile units can be considered de facto strategic regardless of the launch range of their ballistic missiles (therefore, in Western literature they are called "strategic missile forces "). And if the North Koreans manage to bring to the logical end their program of creating intercontinental ballistic missiles, then the country will join the world club of nuclear missile owners weapons unlimited range, where the United States, Russia, China, Great Britain and France are now (possibly Israel) and where they are seeking to penetrate from the back door, in addition to North Korea, also India, Iran and Pakistan, the latter two with just the North Koreans.

In fact, the rocket troops are not even a separate branch of the armed forces, but an independent type of the armed forces of the DPRK, which in the foreseeable future, as it builds up its nuclear potential, should become the basis of the country's military power. The development of the North Korean rocket forces poses a threat not only to regional security, but also, in the future, directly to the United States, the objects on the mainland of which can fall within the range of their missiles.

The “artillery control bureau” itself was formed in 1999 with the transfer under its commencement of all the army units formerly part of the ground forces armed with ground-to-ground ballistic missiles. Before that, they did not have a single separate command and were under the authority of the KPA artillery command. Now there are at least a thousand deployed and stockpiled unguided and guided ballistic missiles for tactical, tactical and strategic purposes in their arsenal.

The production capacity of North Korean rocket production can produce, for example, up to eight long-range ballistic missiles (operational-tactical) “Hwason-5” and “Hwaseon-6” per month.

Missile manufacturing enterprises are represented by the Yakjen Machine-Building Plant in the suburb of Pyongyang Manganda (also known as the Mangenede Electric Machine-Building Plant; the main workshops employing approximately 1500 people are underground), defense plant No. 7 (located approximately 8 km from the plant in Mangenda; in particular, the Tephodon-1 medium-range ballistic missiles), by the plant No. 26 in Kang (the largest underground enterprise of the military-industrial complex, the total number of workers of which is Thousands of people in 20; in addition to guided and unguided rockets, torpedoes, depth bombs and engineering mines are also produced here, plant number 118 in Kagamri and Kechenkun, plant number 125 in Pyongyang (known by the name Pyongyang Pig Breeding Complex) and factory number 301 in Tegvan-IP. Yakjene Machine-Building Plant and Plant No. 7 are subordinate to the 2 th Research and Development Center of the 4-th General Bureau.

North Korea has launched its own space program, involving the creation of launch vehicles and satellite satellites for dual use - communications, meteorological and geomonitoring (possibly in cooperation with Iran and some other countries). The leadership of the space program in the DPRK is the Korea Space Technology Committee, which is publicly positioned as a civil agency.


North Korean leader Kim Jong-un smokes a cigarette in the Command Center after launching the Quanmenson-3 satellite on the Unha-3 (3 Milky Way) launch vehicle


True, many experts (and not without reason) believe that this program is to a greater extent a cover for works of the creation of intercontinental ballistic missiles that have an exclusively military focus.

The country has developed an extensive infrastructure to support testing of various types of missiles, including Musudan-ri (Musudan-ni) missile test sites (also known as the Tonghai test site) (Hamgen-Patko Province); this is the main test site for testing medium-range and intercontinental missiles, as well as space launch vehicles), Kitarieng (tests of tactical and operational-tactical missiles, Gangwon Province) and the new Pond-ri missile range (Pond-ni, or the Sohe test range) on the northwest coast of NDR in 50 km from the border with China (Phenan Puk-do province). The landfills of Musudanri and Pond-ri are also considered as cosmodromes.

Export-import operations in the field of rocket technologies are carried out under the auspices of the 2-th Economic Committee, the trade and procurement companies - Yongaksan Trading Company and Changkwang Trading Company.

The creation of missile forces in the DPRK began in the 1960-ies. with the delivery of the USSR tactical missile systems 2K6 "Luna" with unguided short-range orbital-launched ballistic missiles - namely, 3Р8 (FROG-3 according to the conventional classification adopted by NATO) and 3Р10 (FROG-5) on the basis of the emergency forces, XNUMXPXNUMX (FROG-XNUMX).



Then, in 1969, there were deliveries of a more long-range tactical missile complex 9K52 "Luna-M" with an unguided ballistic missile 9М21 (Р-65, Р-70, according to NATO classification - FROG-7) with a high-explosive warhead.



In the DPRK, chemical combat units were created for the Luna and Luna-M missiles.

However, in the 1970-s. the range (respectively, to 45 and 65-70 km) and the low accuracy of firing of these complexes ceased to arrange the command of the KPA.

In this regard, it was decided to purchase an operational tactical missile system 9K72 with a controlled ballistic missile 8K14 (Р-17, according to NATO classification - SS-1C or Scud-B), which has a range of 300 km. However, for some reason, the USSR did not sell it, so the North Koreans bought 9K72 complexes with ammunition (high-explosive missiles) from Egypt, whose president, Anwar Sadat, began to slowly trade Soviet weapons ...

Acquisition in 1976 — 1981 The North Koreans of the 9K72 complexes were of great importance for them in deploying the production of their own ballistic missiles, based on 8K14. DPRK specialists dismantled the 8K14 rocket and constructed their own after thorough study of it, somewhat increasing the launch range (to 330 km) by reducing the mass of the warhead. The first North Korean tactical ballistic missile based on the Soviet 8К14, known as "Hwason-5" (Hwaseon - in Korean Mars), was successfully tested in 1984, launched first in experimental, and in 1987 in serial production and adopted by the KPA. For the Hwason-5 rocket, in addition to the high-explosive, chemical and bacteriological combat units were developed.



The DPRK supplied the Hwaseong-5 missiles to Iran (where they received the name Shahab-1) and, moreover, provided technological assistance to Egypt in launching the production of its Scud-B variant.


Iranian Shahab-1 rocket on SPU 9P117M



Launcher Shahab-1 based on a semitrailer. I draw attention to the sliding awning, under which the rocket can be hidden in the stowed position, in this form it will be difficult to distinguish this launcher on the road from conventional trucks with semi-trailers


Inspired by the success of the Hwason 5, the North Koreans set about creating a new, one and a half times more long-range (with a radius of 500 km by reducing the mass of the warhead and increasing the fuel and oxidizer stock by lengthening the product) of the tactical missile Hwason 6 (in the West, it was called Scud-C or Scud-PIP, product improvement program - "advanced production program").



Tests "Hwason-6" were carried out in 1990, and the rocket, in addition to entering the KPA, was also supplied to Iran, as well as Syria. Moreover, Iran has acquired the technology of their production under the national name "Shahab-2".


Iranian Shahab-2 rocket on SPU 9P117M


According to some experts, by the middle of 1990's. the Hwaseong-6 missiles were allegedly completely replaced by the Hwaseon-5 troops and Egypt’s 8К14 sent for storage.

A further development of operational-tactical missiles of the Hvason family was a rocket, which in the West was given the code name Scud-ER (ER - extended range, “extended range”). Scud-ER has a launch range of 750 — 800 km, 1,5 — 1,6 times as many as Hvason-6, and 2,5 — 2,7 times more than the original Soviet 8-14. This was achieved not only by reducing the mass of the warhead compared to Hwason-6, but also by using a slightly lower maximum thrust of the rocket engine than the 8-14, followed by gradual throttling of thrust to the march level, which provided a more economical expenditure fuel. The development of Scud-ER was completed in 2003 with its adoption and launch into the series. A public demonstration of the new missiles took place at the parade in honor of the 75 anniversary of the KPA 25 on April 2007.





Together with the one-stage tactical missiles of the Scud type, the DPRK mastered the production of self-propelled launchers for them, copying the standard 9P117М launcher of the Soviet operational-tactical missile system 9K72 (on the four-axle heavy vehicle of the MAZ-543 high-terrain vehicle).

In addition to operational-tactical, the DPRK began to develop its own tactical ballistic missiles of the earth-to-earth class. The Soviet controlled ballistic missile 9М79 tactical missile system 9K79 "Point" was taken as a basis. Syria helped the North Koreans with the delivery of the complex in 1996, which received such missiles from the USSR in 1983. Syria also sent military personnel to the DPRK to help the North Koreans study the “Point”. The purpose of creating a new missile system was the replacement of obsolete Luna and Luna-M complexes with unguided rockets. The North Koreans managed to create their own version of KN-9 based on 79М02, with a range of 110 — 120 km (some experts give 140), which corresponds to the Soviet tactical missile 9М79М1 of the improved Tochka-U complex. Tests of the KN-02 took place in 2004 — 2007, and in 2007, the new missile system was adopted by the KPA. The self-propelled KN-02 launcher on the chassis of a high-performance three-axle vehicle was created on its own, based on the chassis of the Romanian truck (6X6) DAC, but unlike the launchers of the Tochka and U tactical missile systems, it is not floating .



The total number of non-strategic KPA missile systems to 2010 was estimated as follows: 24 launchers of Luna and Luna-M tactical missile systems, 30 - KN-02 and more 30 - operational-tactical type Scud (9-72, "Hwason-XNUM "," Hwason-5 "and Scud-ER with a common ammunition over 6 missiles; some sources give an indicator of 200 missiles, there is also information about 400" Hwaseon-180 "and more 5" Hwaseon-700 ").

The next stage in the development of long-range ballistic missiles was the development of the DPRK's production of strategic ballistic missiles Tepkhodon and Nodon.

The first in the Tepkhodon family was the two-stage Tephodon-1 (also known in Western sources as TD-1, Scud Mod.E and Scud-X), calculated on the average 2000 range — 2200 km, which is comparable to the Soviet ballistic TX medium-range missiles P-12 and its Chinese counterpart "Dunfen-3", entered service, respectively, in 1958 and 1971.



The second rocket of this family, “Tepkhodon-2” (also known as TD-2, possible North Korean “Hwaseon-2” and “Moxon-2”; Moxon is Jupiter in Korean) is already intercontinental. Its range in a two-stage version is estimated at 6400 — 7000 km, in a three-stage version (sometimes called “Tephodon-3”) —8000 — 15 000 km.



A significant disadvantage of the Tepkodon-1 and Tepkhodon-2 missiles, which determine their vulnerability from the preemptive strikes of the enemy, is that they are launched from stationary ground launch complexes, including the launch pad and the service mast. Refueling and oxidizing fuel of these missiles is carried out immediately before launch and takes a long time.

Single-stage, liquid medium range ballistic missiles, "Rodong-A" and "Nodong-B" are deployed to the self-propelled ground units, the first of which is modeled on the launcher 9P117M operational-tactical missile system 9K72 chassis chetyrehosnogo heavy car-terrain MAZ-543, but with lengthening due to an additional fifth axis (as a result, the wheel formula 10x10 was obtained), and the second - modeled on the launcher of the Soviet strategic medium-range missile system RSD- 10 "Pioneer" on the chassis of a six-axle heavy car all-terrain MAZ-547. Perhaps the production technology of these launchers or sets of parts and assemblies for their assembly (which most likely) was supplied by the DPRK to Belarus.

For the first time, American reconnaissance artificial satellites of the Earth discovered the Tepkodon-1 and Tepkhodon-2 missiles in 1994. There are no reliable data on their operational deployment in the troops. Some experts believe that the KPA for 2010 had Tepehodon-1 missiles in quantities from 10 to 25 — 30 pieces.

The “Nodon-A” rocket (also known as “Nodon-1”, “Rodon-1” and Scud-D), like the Hwason and Tephodon missiles, is based on the same 8-14. The firing range of the Nodon-A is 1350 — 1600 km, which is enough to hit targets in the allied US Far Eastern states, from Tokyo to Taipei. The increase in the start-up range, which required an increase in the fuel supply, was achieved by increasing the length and diameter of the hull. Placing the Nodon-A on a highly mobile chassis (speed on the highway to 70 km / h, power reserve 550 km) allowed this rocket complex to be concealed and durable, but the lengthy preparation for the launch (60 minutes), including due to the need for refueling components of fuel, should be considered a significant drawback of this system of strategic weapons.



In addition to the multi-axle self-propelled launcher of the Nodon-A ballistic missile, a launcher was created for it on a three-axle semi-trailer with a truck tractor (6X6) on a chassis similar to the Romanian truck DAC.

Unlike the Nodon-A, the Nodon-B missile was developed on the basis of not the 8K14, but another Soviet prototype, the single-stage ballistic missile P-27, adopted by the USSR Navy in 1968, as part of the D- 5 for strategic missile submarines of the 667A project. The DPRK was able to obtain the relevant technical documentation between the 1992 and 1998 years. A public display of the rocket took place on October 10 on 2010, when the 65 anniversary of the WPK was celebrated.



The firing range of the Nodon-B (estimated at 2750 — 4000 km) exceeds that of the P-27 (2500 km), which was achieved by increasing the length and diameter of the hull in comparison with the prototype - this made it possible to use more capacious fuel tanks and oxidant, although it worsened its flight characteristics. Nodon-B can hit US military facilities in Okinawa and even (if the range estimate in 4000 km is correct) on Guam, that is, on its own American territory. If the DPRK places Nodon-B on board disguised merchant ships, it will allow the North Koreans to threaten cities on the west coast of the United States.

The North Koreans also developed the mine version of the Nodon-B missile, which received the name BM25 (BM - ballistic missile, “ballistic missile”, 25 - 2500 km firing range) and Musudan-1 in a number of sources.







Eight-axis chassis for self-propelled launchers of the DPRK's new missiles were provided by China, although he himself was not in awe of Pyongyang’s rocket plans. This new chassis - WS51200, the largest of the total mass produced in the PRC (apparently meaning the weight of the machine and maximum load) in 122 tons - was made by North Korean order by the famous Chinese manufacturer of similar machines Wanshan Special Vehicle, which in 2011 delivered them to the North Koreans .



The total number of Nodon-A and Nodon-B missiles is estimated by different sources in strongly divergent numbers. For example, the well-known English Military Balance reference book in the 2010 edition gives for both types a number of launchers “about 10” and the number of missiles “more than 90”. Americans assume that Nodon-A released more than 200, and Nodon-B - about 50.

In addition, rockets are one of the main exports of the DPRK. In the company of "rocket clients" of the DPRK appear:

- Vietnam (in 1998, acquired 25 OTR "Hwaseong-5");


Vietnamese OTR "Hwaseong-5"


- Egypt (received technological documentation for the establishment of the production of OTR "Hvason-5" and "Hwaseon-6");

- Iran (except for the above-mentioned deployment under the national names "Shahab-1" and "Shahab-2" missiles "Hwasel-5" and "Hwaseon-6", he started the production of medium-range missiles "Nodon-A" under the name "Shahab -3 "and allegedly acquired even more long-range North Korean ballistic missiles BM18 for 25);


Iranian medium-range rocket "Shahab-3"


- Yemen (in the 1990-s bought Scud-type missiles in North Korea);

- Both African states of the Congo (the Republic of the Congo acquired the Hwaseong-5 missiles, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo acquired the Hwaseong-6);

- Libya, (which assembled from the set nodes of the Nodon-A rocket, but under pressure from the West destroyed them in 2004);

- United Arab Emirates (acquired 25 Xvason-5 missiles, but because of the likely lack of qualifications of its staff did not deploy them and stockpiled);

- Syria (has missiles "Hwason-6" and "Nodon-A"), Sudan (possibly, received through Syria North Korean Scud-type missiles);

- Finally, Ethiopia (may have received "Hwason-5").

Meanwhile, in the DPRK ...


Yes, I do not need your "Kalash". Bring back rice, bad man, puppet of the South, I will forgive everything ...


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  1. +4
    29 October 2014 09: 05
    DPRK - Who to Scare by an Ancient Rocket laughing
    1. dzau
      +1
      30 October 2014 06: 42
      Quote: 0255
      DPRK - Who to Scare by an Ancient Rocket

      Ancient not ancient, look at the size of the DPRK, imagine its resources, taking into account the tough blockade. Compare with many "developed" and rich countries. Now ask yourself the question: How many of these "developed" countries have the capacity to build and launch ICBMs?

      No matter how "ancient" they are: all this requires the highest level of engineering school. Yes, these are the technologies of the USSR 60-70s, but NK-33 was created in the 60s: and is still in service, to put it mildly. And not to put it mildly - there are deep doubts that the current level of even the domestic engineering school will allow repeating a similar project.

      Look at the faces of their engineers and technicians: these are the faces of the Soviet intelligentsia of the 60s and 80s. This is a substance that cannot be measured either by grandmas or by hydrocarbon reserves. This is the quality of "human material". Instead of monkeys with consumer gum reflexes, in extremely difficult conditions, they are trying to raise "citizens": educated, motivated, loyal to their country, believing in their country and the ability to "build" something of their own with their own hands. Only this can explain such visible results.

      Logically, a country under such pressure with such a shortage of essential resources could have long (and easily) become a "banana": supplying "female meat" to the market, like Thailand, groveling in front of tourists (not the worst fate of "banana"), eating , wear, look and believe in all "Hollywood-adidas", without the slightest hope to crawl out of this garbage can. And it makes intercontinental missiles and exports missile technology.

      It seems to me that this is at least worthy of respect. No matter how skeptical we are about their polit. device and standard of living (which is artificially "suppressed" from the outside, to put it bluntly).

      Now imagine for a moment that they have a resource base comparable to ours. For some reason, I immediately feel uncomfortable and even ashamed.
  2. +9
    29 October 2014 09: 36
    It was very interesting to read. thank!
  3. +4
    29 October 2014 09: 57
    The upper right cockpit of the six-axle chassis is suspiciously similar to the cockpit of the commander of the Pioneer unit 15U136. Instead of the AGK, there was a cabin like the commander's cabin from the Topol.
    I wonder whose creation this is? The Chinese created a hybrid MAZ-547 and 7917, or MZKT quietly fussed?
  4. +1
    29 October 2014 13: 18
    "North Korean missiles" sounds menacing ... But more funny ...
    1. +1
      29 October 2014 20: 52
      Quote: Chicot 1
      "North Korean missiles" sounds menacing ... But more funny ...


      Never underestimate anyone.
  5. +6
    29 October 2014 14: 04
    Comrades, help Kim repost laughing
    1. +2
      29 October 2014 14: 13
      A very stupid joke, especially in the part where the "missile on Lvov"
      1. 0
        29 October 2014 16: 06
        So a stupid joke? Okay! bully
        1. +1
          29 October 2014 16: 41
          Lena, you obviously need to see a doctor.
      2. 0
        31 October 2014 19: 31
        I repeat, Northern. They split you. You - paid Troll or just yap. Do not clog the ether with your verbal diarrhea. negative
  6. +4
    29 October 2014 14: 35
    Perhaps the most interesting and complete review on this subject. good But then Roman got excited:
    For the Hwaseong-5 missile, in addition to the high-explosive, a chemical and bacteriological warheads

    Where are the firewood about"bacteriological" warheads?
  7. +1
    29 October 2014 16: 04
    These rockets cause much concern to their Japanese neighbors and the South Koreans with mattresses at the head!
  8. +3
    29 October 2014 16: 07
    Information slipped that the Republic of Belarus -MAZ provided assistance in organizing the production of special chassis in China
  9. +2
    29 October 2014 19: 17
    Roman, I’m starting the day with a search for a topic about the DPRK’s armed forces ...
    laughing
    Thanks, very interesting.

    We are waiting for the epic further.
    hi
    1. +2
      29 October 2014 21: 02
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Roman, I’m starting the day with a search for a topic about the DPRK’s armed forces ...
      laughing


      Hi, Lesh! hi And the topic of the DPRK Armed Forces (and not only the Armed Forces) also magnetizes me. Their trump card is closeness! 25 million is power!
      1. +4
        29 October 2014 21: 21
        Quote: studentmati
        And me the theme of the DPRK Supreme Council (and not only the Sun)

        Hi Sasha!
        hi
        Similarly.
        Curiosity is clear.
        Yes
        Already a year of thought to drive there and see ... but so far it does not grow together.
        1. +3
          29 October 2014 21: 24
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Already a year of thought to drive there and see ... but so far it does not grow together


          That would be !!! Yeah! good
        2. +3
          29 October 2014 21: 51
          Alexei - good night, countryman. hi If alive - sit with us. right now the people will catch up. Yes As many as 2 virtual drunks. Well, plus I'm a decent person. Yes
          1. +2
            29 October 2014 21: 54
            Quote: retired
            Well, plus I'm a decent person. yes


            Is it decent? laughing drinks
            1. 0
              29 October 2014 21: 56
              Quote: studentmati
              Is it decent?

              Without "TYPE" I will ask! am
          2. +1
            29 October 2014 22: 35
            Quote: retired
            Alexei - good night, countryman.

            Yuri, good to see.
            hi
            So I like here ... but only at times, I finish the work)))
            winked
            1. +1
              29 October 2014 22: 56
              Hello Lesha! hi Unfortunately, I rarely look up ... And finish the work. hi God forbid she decides you ... but we will not talk about sad Yes ...
  10. +1
    29 October 2014 21: 49
    So what?????????????????????????????? sad
    Where is this ... aerodynamic? am
    1. +1
      29 October 2014 21: 50
      Quote: retired
      So what?????????????????????????????? sad
      Where is this ... aerodynamic? am

      fellow drinks Lyokha, damn it? recourse
      1. +1
        29 October 2014 21: 53
        what I understand that aerodynamics also turns off the verbal function ... Well then ... For her. For love. feel
        drinks
        1. +1
          29 October 2014 21: 59
          Quote: retired
          what I understand that aerodynamics also turns off the verbal function ... Well then ... For her. For love. feel
          drinks


          Love and aerodynamics are indivisible concepts. Don't you know? Kim Jong-un knows and understands such fundamentals, which is why he is developing his rocket science at a fast pace.
          1. +2
            29 October 2014 22: 02
            Quote: studentmati
            Love and aerodynamics are indivisible concepts.

            Seriously, yes. A.Popovich and M.Popovich. And how did they know aerodynamics ....
            1. 0
              29 October 2014 22: 08
              Quote: retired
              Seriously, yes. A.Popovich and M.Popovich. And how did they know aerodynamics ....


              From a position of love, yes! The Popovich Family Union deserves a separate book. They were the first and still probably the only cosmic family. The vulture has not yet been removed, I would like to survive.
              And with the DPRK missile program, Boris Evseevich’s memories of working in Peenemuende pop up to me. Full analogy.
              1. 0
                29 October 2014 22: 11
                Quote: studentmati
                They were the first and still probably the only cosmic family.
                stop Tereshkova and Bykovsky. Before Yes . But Tereshkova very quickly left Bykovsky ...
              2. +1
                29 October 2014 22: 15
                Quote: studentmati
                Boris Evseevich

                People and rockets. Yes
                DPRK are in launch conditions far exceeding the 3 Reich missile program. Their only problem is that there is no corridor for multiple missile launches. If there was a corridor, they would almost every day let their Eunhi out. And so ... Forced to let through the cries of the Japanese, and despite our disapproving gaze ... Here the sea launch rested in the Bose. but SK, he would be very useful ...
              3. +2
                29 October 2014 22: 21
                Those. we haven’t covered the clearing ... Well, okay. Again all by yourself.
                1. +1
                  29 October 2014 22: 29
                  Quote: retired
                  Those. we haven’t covered the clearing ... Well, okay. Again all by yourself.


                  Why so categorically, Yura?
                  The main thing is leisurely!
                2. +1
                  29 October 2014 22: 37
                  Quote: retired
                  Those. we haven’t covered the clearing ... Well, okay. Again all by yourself.

                  It is necessary to warn, Yur ...)))
                  Well, I will go out so saliva.
                  crying
                  1. +1
                    29 October 2014 22: 53
                    Lesha !!! Glad to see you !! fellow Well .... For the tanks! drinks
                    He worked at EVACU as a civilian teacher. Ours were released on 2C19 mainly, but they also took ours into tankers. So: I also helped the tankers a bit. Or befitted? what Well, here ... request For you, Lesha! drinks
                    1. +1
                      29 October 2014 22: 57
                      Quote: retired
                      Well .... For the tanks!

                      Yur, San:
                      For Tanks, for Arta, for Aviation!
                      drinks
                      Hopefully somehow still tinkle with glasses where is the thread in Ekb ...)))
                      wink
                      1. +1
                        29 October 2014 23: 36
                        Lyosha! It's good to see you every time Yes ... Once you said that you had been in a clinical death ... I, too, was THERE. March 26, 1989 In the 23rd hospital, I was resuscitated. After THIS life became so simple! I set myself the goal of surviving to the age of 30, to the age of 40, to the age of 50, to live ... I don’t make any further plans ...
                      2. +1
                        29 October 2014 23: 48
                        Quote: retired
                        I set myself the goal of surviving to 30 — I survived, to 40 — I survived, to 50 — I survived ... I don’t make any further plans ...

                        Keep it up !
                        wink
                        You see, they taught us: he likes not - he’ll have to win ...)))
                        laughing
                        drinks
                        See you, sure)))
                      3. +1
                        29 October 2014 23: 51
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        After all, we were SO taught: if you want it or not, you will have to win ...)))

                        Yes sir! Comrade Marshal!
                        Hi Aleksey! drinks
                      4. 0
                        30 October 2014 00: 09
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Hi Aleksey!

                        Vladlen:
                        drinks
          2. +1
            29 October 2014 22: 09
            Sasha. I suggested to Vladlen to make an airplane. And you will be the Gene Constructor. I'm a calculator. How? Even 15-20 years ago I have some troubles on this topic: the wing profile, which can most easily be reproduced at home, the type of engine. design. True, this is not relevant now. The cost of making ribs somewhere in a carpentry shop is now almost a penny. The choice of engines is almost unlimited. at that time, as far as I remember, the engine from "Buran" was suitable. Now he is a paradox by himself ... How? Maybe we can? I have ZiK by my side (see Vika ...) I was a semi-legendary person there at one time ... feel Connections remained. Yes
            1. +1
              29 October 2014 22: 22
              Quote: retired
              Sasha. I here offered Vladlen to make a plane.


              Yura, I support! How to take into account the "plasticity of brain tissue" from the effects of ethanol? I here a couple of years ago found in the "closet" drawings of my aircraft model, which I drew on graph paper in 1992 in between times. Sat, looked and thought, whether to cry, or to rejoice? And the profile then chose the optimal quality and so on. Thought you say Yura is interesting. Let's make a plane and fly to the dream !?
              1. 0
                29 October 2014 22: 26
                Quote: studentmati
                How to take into account the "plasticity of brain tissue" from the effects of ethanol?

                All the way. Yes Just solved the tower tasks for the UPI extramural students. (UrFU named after the bitter drunkard Yeltsin ...) Yes Didn't even bother request. In our time, it was material for technical schools. Yes
              2. 0
                29 October 2014 22: 34
                Quote: studentmati
                drawings of your aircraft model

                Having shown my time, I specially enrolled in the aviation club to make a model of the plane of my dreams - De Haviland Mosquito. The drawings were attached to the "Modelist Konstruktor" magazine. And my friend and I made it. Under the guidance of experienced modelers. Then he flew with us. Once ... I still feel sorry for crying ... Well ... For the HEAVEN! drinks The fifth (or sixth?) Ocean. The most inaccessible. Yes
            2. +1
              29 October 2014 22: 22
              Aw !!!!!!!!!!!! Again I am alone in the Universe, or what ??
              1. +1
                29 October 2014 22: 24
                Quote: retired
                Aw !!!!!!!!!!!! Again I am alone in the Universe, or what ??


                I am there, Yur. Just thoughtful!
                1. +1
                  29 October 2014 22: 28
                  Quote: studentmati
                  Just thoughtful!

                  Stop thinking so carefully! It is fraught ...
                  Well ... for aviation! drinks
                  I have Bakkardi Gold Premium today. Rum in general ...
                  1. +1
                    29 October 2014 22: 32
                    Quote: retired
                    Well ... for aviation! drinks


                    For aviation, yur! drinks Always for! drinks I am according to Mendeleev and Pokhlebkin today!
                    1. +1
                      29 October 2014 22: 36
                      Quote: studentmati
                      I am according to Mendeleev and Pokhlebkin today

                      what Translate!
                      1. +1
                        29 October 2014 22: 36
                        Quote: retired
                        what Translate!

                        I drink vodka.
                      2. +1
                        29 October 2014 22: 39
                        Quote: studentmati
                        I drink vodka.

                        what
                        Arr-riginal you are a man ... Yes
                      3. +4
                        29 October 2014 22: 49
                        Quote: studentmati
                        I drink vodka.

                        Quote: retired
                        Arr-riginal you are a man ...

                        Sanya, Yur:
                        You are right out of skype - a huge hello from Sani (Alex 241),
                        verbatim: Hello my brothers, I am with you, and I am raising this toast to you!
                        drinks drinks drinks
                        Video for adrenaline!

                      4. +2
                        29 October 2014 22: 54
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        Sanya, Yur:
                        A direct hello to you from Skype - a huge hello from Sani (Alex 241),


                        Wow! good Hello there! drinks We are together! Hooray!!! good
                      5. +1
                        29 October 2014 22: 59
                        Lesha! I'm on Skype like Yura Yurin. Knock! recently just mastered this crap. It seems I understand: what and how. While conscious - call. or whatever it's called. For all of you! My dear forum users! drinks
                      6. +2
                        29 October 2014 23: 03
                        Guys !!! Hi!! Knocking ... Knocking ...!
                        Well, am I fined alone? drinks
                      7. +1
                        29 October 2014 23: 08
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Well, am I fined alone? drinks


                        I'm here! drinks
                      8. +2
                        29 October 2014 23: 12
                        Sanya! I'm with you! drinks
                        Catching up, so to speak !!!!
                        Today, Cuban rum was presented, Negro!
                        Thing! memories of youth! 0,7! 45%! there will be a scandal wassat
                      9. +1
                        29 October 2014 23: 27
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Today, Cuban rum was presented, Negro!

                        I repeat.
                        Baccardi GoldOriginal Premium Grafted Rum. Fu .... A fee for math. Yes
                        Well ... for Putin! drinks May God grant him health!
                        Who does not want to feed for his health - let him miss ...
                      10. +1
                        29 October 2014 23: 28
                        Quote: retired
                        Well ... for Putin! drinks God grant him health!


                        I am for!!! drinks
                      11. +2
                        29 October 2014 23: 30
                        Quote: retired
                        let it pass ...


                        I miss ... I’ll be healthier.
                      12. +2
                        29 October 2014 23: 32
                        Quote: retired
                        let it pass ...

                        yeah ......
                        I’ll go for a smoke .... what
                      13. +2
                        29 October 2014 23: 35
                        Quote: retired
                        Well ... for Putin! drinks God grant him health!


                        Quote: Normal
                        I miss ... I’ll be healthier.


                        Quote: DRA-88
                        yeah ......
                        I’m going to smoke .... what


                        I offer for our male friendship beyond political preferences! drinks
                      14. +2
                        29 October 2014 23: 39
                        Quote: studentmati
                        I offer for male friendship outside of political preferences!
                        This is another matter !!!
                        For the "salt of the earth"! drinks
                        Everyone dances !
                        Nostalgia laughing
                      15. +2
                        29 October 2014 23: 44
                        Quote: studentmati
                        I drink vodka.

                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Sanya! I'm with you!
                        Catching up, so to speak !!!!
                        Today, Cuban rum was presented, Negro!

                        Quote: retired
                        I repeat.
                        Baccardi GoldOriginal Premium Grafted Rum.


                      16. +1
                        29 October 2014 23: 48
                        Quote: Normal
                        Normal (

                        Volodya, Hello! hi
                        Pleased with the plots !! laughing
                      17. 0
                        30 October 2014 00: 01
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Volodya, Hello!

                        Great!
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Pleased with the plots !!

                        You too! True, I did not feel nostalgia, although I was fed pure "Radiant". All the same health is not the same and now I prefer drinks derived from grapes. And in his youth - yes! We were notable "mumblers".
  11. +2
    29 October 2014 22: 38
    Sharknem like.
    1. +1
      29 October 2014 22: 41
      Quote: retired
      Sharknem like.


      Sharknem Jura! And so that our rockets always fly with a coefficient of 0,999, no less!
      1. +1
        29 October 2014 22: 43
        Quote: studentmati
        with a coefficient of 0,999, not less

        Ours flew from 0.925. Yes One ... Complex (4 pcs.) - 100% Yes Checked repeatedly. feel And this is an export one (a very rough version according to TTX ...).
        1. 0
          29 October 2014 22: 48
          Quote: retired
          One ... Complex (4 pcs.) - 100% yes


          Hint. what 75?
          1. +1
            29 October 2014 23: 00
            Quote: studentmati
            75?

            Take it higher. Factor of. Yes
      2. +2
        29 October 2014 22: 48
        I understand that Vladlen left us ... But I wanted him to share his impressions of the Picnic concert ... What can I say ... There are no words am A teetotaler type. Oh well... feel
        1. +1
          29 October 2014 22: 51
          Quote: retired
          I understand that Vladlen left us ... But I wanted him to share his impressions of the Picnic concert ... What can I say ... There are no words am A teetotaler type. Well, well ... feel


          And Lesha faded, damn it at the wrong time! am
        2. +1
          29 October 2014 23: 08
          Quote: retired
          A teetotaler type. Oh well.

          Yes, hare already! drinks He laid his wife)))))
          He drove off the car, again the conflict, Mlyn! And you said, you alone are violent! laughing
          1. +1
            29 October 2014 23: 14
            Quote: DRA-88
            Laid his wife

            Accepted. Yes Although...what usually laid at your age feel ... But let's not talk about sad things. Yes
            1. +1
              29 October 2014 23: 25
              Quote: retired
              usually laid at your age
              laughing
              Yur, you’d use all neighing !!!
              The topic is good for age ..., for Our forever young age !!! laughing drinks
  12. +2
    29 October 2014 22: 59
    Quote: studentmati
    I understand that Vladlen left us ... But I wanted him to share his impressions of the Picnic concert ... What can I say ... There are no words
    Я
    Hi guys!
    I didn’t run back here for long!
    SchA Fine!
    WITH DR VLKSM YOU !!!! drinks
    1. +2
      29 October 2014 23: 05
      Quote: DRA-88
      WITH DR VLKSM YOU !!!! drinks


      By the way, yes! Forgotten undeservedly! For the Komsomol! drinks
      1. +1
        29 October 2014 23: 06
        Quote: studentmati
        By the way, yes! Forgotten undeservedly! For the Komsomol!

        I'll sing!
  13. +1
    29 October 2014 22: 59
    Quote: studentmati
    Sanya, Yur:
    A direct hello to you from Skype - a huge hello from Sani (Alex 241),
    Verbatim: Hello my brothers, I am with you, and raise this toast to you!


    Ltd! belay How faded, and drew !? what Cool! drinks Campaign from the 58th apartment?
    1. +2
      29 October 2014 23: 11
      Quote: studentmati
      Campaign from the 58th apartment?

      -This is going to arrest us.
      -Arrest?? Oh well... feel
      Well ... for us! hi Harrroshy- good we are people Yes !
      For you guys. drinks
      Occasion. Today I received a temporary identity card, restored the Gazprombank card and even withdrew 40 thousand rubles. to the family. The money ran out at the ATM ... A week ago, near the house, I was attacked (paradox: I was sober as a therapist ...) I couldn’t resist, they cut it off from the first blow. At what: the one who beat I did not even see !!! Although I’m a physicist, I’m not a fellow with Gubakha ...
      but they didn’t give me a chance. My wife didn’t even believe: sober, her face was whole, her hands were not broken, but they beat me !! So Sasha, Vladlen ... recourse
      1. +2
        29 October 2014 23: 15
        Quote: retired
        but they didn’t give me a chance. My wife didn’t even believe: sober, her face was whole, her hands were not broken, but they beat me !!

        Yol-Paly sad
        Do you even look around, damn it!
        nevermind, not a scout!
        For recovery! drinks
        When you come to me, I will give them an armored helmet !!!
        1. +2
          29 October 2014 23: 22
          Quote: DRA-88
          When you come to me, I will give them an armored helmet !!!


          And I am the method of "drunken fist" according to Stanislavsky. Smolensk is a hospitable city!
          1. +1
            29 October 2014 23: 28
            Quote: studentmati
            Smolensk is a hospitable city!

            I have a sidekick, the director of the local riot police !!! good
            1. +1
              29 October 2014 23: 39
              Quote: DRA-88
              I have a sidekick, the director of the local riot police !!! good


              Shilin?
            2. +2
              29 October 2014 23: 42
              Yeah! And also Chernyshov Roma SOBR good
              1. +2
                29 October 2014 23: 51
                Quote: DRA-88
                Yeah! And also Chernyshov Roma SOBR good


                And further down the list ... The world is small! drinks
                1. +1
                  29 October 2014 23: 52
                  With Romka current what drinks chatted on skype
              2. +1
                30 October 2014 00: 09
                Quote: DRA-88
                Yeah! And also Chernyshov Roma SOBR good


                Quote: DRA-88
                With Romka current drinks that talked on Skype


                Interesting contacts! drinks Dear people! good
                1. 0
                  30 October 2014 00: 27
                  Quote: studentmati
                  Interesting contacts!

                  We are together!
        2. +1
          29 October 2014 23: 23
          Quote: DRA-88
          Do you even look around, damn it!

          Bl ... I will not believe it !! As if I understood that now something will happen. And even took a type of combat stance Yes but where did I come from ... didn’t understand request !!! I actually already weigh somewhere around 130 kg. Shaking me before was not easy. But now? Paradox ...
          1. +1
            29 October 2014 23: 30
            Quote: retired
            Paradox ...

            Or brass knuckles or trumpet on the head .., the usual thing ...
            As I understand it, the documents are bye-bye .., but money?
            1. +1
              29 October 2014 23: 39
              Quote: DRA-88
              and money?

              Money was only on the card. I was knocked out at 19-00, and already at 19-20 I blocked the card. But I felt at that moment ... My wife watched me in the eye and said that I was drunk! Then. after about an hour, she said. that yes, you didn’t drink ... I drank 150 grams on the way home.
      2. +2
        29 October 2014 23: 15
        Quote: retired

        -This is going to arrest us.
        -Arrest?? Well, well ... feel
        Well ... for us! hi Harrroshy- good we are people yes!
        For you guys. drinks
        Occasion. Today I received a temporary identity card, restored the Gazprombank card and even withdrew 40 thousand rubles. to the family. The money ran out at the ATM ... A week ago, near the house, I was attacked (paradox: I was sober as a therapist ...) I couldn’t resist, they cut it off from the first blow. At what: the one who beat I did not even see !!! Although I’m a physicist, I’m not a fellow with Gubakha ...
        but they didn’t give me a chance. My wife didn’t even believe: sober, her face was whole, her hands were not broken, but they beat me !! So Sasha, Vladlen ... recourse


        what
        Let the men appreciate what we have and endlessly respect those who are walking next to us! For loved ones! drinks love
        1. +1
          29 October 2014 23: 45
          Sasha. I have already hesitated to put you the pros. Are you generally after close ones somehow draw in general ??
          1. +1
            29 October 2014 23: 48
            Quote: retired
            Sasha. I have already hesitated to put you the pros. You generally after some kind of one draw in general ??


            They will not wait! angry

            Tell me, my friend, Belarus-made herring caviar? What's this? Is this a challenge to our sanctions !? .... I opened it, I have a bite and think ...
            1. +1
              29 October 2014 23: 53
              Sasha. But did you hear that?
              1. +1
                30 October 2014 00: 00
                Quote: retired
                Sasha. But did you hear that?


                No one will ever defeat us! drinks

                1. +2
                  30 October 2014 00: 10
                  Sasha, dear. I’m about 52 years old. December 15th. But. When I look at people, I always compare them with the Hero of this Ballad. It seems that it’s time to calm down already, but my youthful maximalism does not allow me to remain silent wherever I should be silent, not to poke fun at anyone who would be undesirable .. And I will certainly climb into the fray for those who do not publicly perceive Etuv Ballad as life paradigm. And it already was ...
                  1. +2
                    30 October 2014 00: 16
                    Quote: retired
                    . And certainly I’ll climb into the fray for those who do not publicly perceive Etuv Ballad as a life paradigm


                    So we read the necessary books in childhood! drinks

                    For the upbringing! For our education, which I think is right! drinks
                  2. +2
                    30 October 2014 00: 18
                    Quote: retired
                    my youthful maximalism does not allow me to remain silent wherever it would be necessary to keep silent, not to poke fun at those who would not be pinned.

                    Sneakily not overtaking!
                    In said!
                    We are not giving up! drinks
                    1. +1
                      30 October 2014 00: 29
                      Quote: DRA-88
                      We are not giving up! drinks


                      Yes, yes !!! drinks
            2. +1
              30 October 2014 00: 01
              My friend and I, in '83, shouting: "But we are not spoiled by danger!" rushed to a couple in the most severe fights. Against chains, nunchucks, etc. He is tough, the sergeant major of the special battalion (there was no OMON then) to guard the Jewelry Factory, the master of sports in combat sambo (the Dynamo stadium, I myself saw how he threw the youth here / there ...) and I, his friend, a physicist of the Ural State University (but from Gubakha ...). D .. fools. Yes
              1. +1
                30 October 2014 00: 06
                Quote: retired
                D .. fools. yes


                Guys, Jura, Guys !!!
                1. +2
                  30 October 2014 00: 16
                  Quote: studentmati
                  Guys

                  But each time, I personally was not sure that I would come out of this garbage alive ... It all started somehow more or less, and only then ... And ... D iota.yu Yes I really won’t tell: how we played with him criminals with criminals and how miraculously we lived alive ...
                  1. +2
                    30 October 2014 00: 24
                    Quote: retired
                    I really won’t tell: how we played with him criminals with criminals and how miraculously we lived alive ...


                    The criminal world has always respected men, whether you are respected or not. Always respected operas with concepts. Well, what is sprayed here?

                    For the life of Yura. For understanding life!
                    1. +2
                      30 October 2014 00: 32
                      Sasha. Come on for you. Maybe someday and see you. If I don’t get so fat, then I can still work in Spetsneftegaz.
                      1. +2
                        30 October 2014 00: 37
                        Quote: retired
                        Sasha. Come on for you. Maybe someday and see you. If I don’t get so fat, then I can still work in Spetsneftegaz.


                        Come on yur for us! I, too, rushing non-lethal, 115 moved and went forward.

                        Come on for a meeting! drinks
                      2. +1
                        30 October 2014 00: 48
                        Here's another paradigm ...:
                    2. +2
                      30 October 2014 00: 38
                      Aw! Aerodynamics!! Again in Angitski, what ??? am
                      1. +1
                        30 October 2014 00: 40
                        Quote: retired
                        Aw! Aerodynamics!! Again in Angitski, what ???

                        I searched for the song, here you are Pension)))))
                        Listen, for you !!! drinks
                      2. +2
                        30 October 2014 00: 45
                        Quote: retired
                        Aw! Aerodynamics!! Again in Angitski, what ??? am


                        tongue That aerodynamics, that rocket science are Russia's exclusive priorities !!! drinks Let the adversaries not dream!
                      3. +1
                        30 October 2014 00: 49
                        Quote: studentmati
                        What is aerodynamics

                        This is Yura, calling me like a big parachute brake laughing
                        Quote: studentmati
                        Let the adversaries not dream!

                        In Russia, they have 2 to 1,5 for all the zemstvos enough! drinks
                      4. +1
                        30 October 2014 00: 55
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        In Russia, they have 2 to 1,5 for all the zemstvos enough! drinks


                        No!!! They only have garbage wind!

                      5. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 05
                        Sash. Did you know ... I even drank vodka with Grigoryan ... For a long time ... Hold:
                      6. 0
                        30 October 2014 01: 12
                        Quote: retired
                        Sash. Did you know ... I even drank vodka with Grigoryan ... For a long time ... Hold:


                        Then for the meeting, Yura! drinks In January, I talked with your fellow countryman for two weeks. I’m sure you know him.
                      7. +1
                        30 October 2014 00: 59
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        In Russia, they have 2 to 1,5 for all the zemstvos enough!

                        Yes Vladlen. If I’m younger, I would have been somewhere near Donetsk for a long time ... Not so much age, but health ... Not the point ... For men fighting in New Russia. Good luck to them. And success ...
                      8. 0
                        30 October 2014 01: 14
                        Quote: retired
                        .For men fighting in New Russia. Good luck to them. And success ...

                        Too, Screaming! soldier drinks
                      9. 0
                        30 October 2014 00: 53
                        Quote: studentmati
                        That aerodynamics, that rocket science are Russia's exclusive priorities !!

                        I agree. I touched your subject a bit. On the development of materials for titanium-containing aluminum alloys, etc. They say that now ... what 30t years have passed ... The paradox ... request
                      10. +2
                        30 October 2014 00: 55
                        Quote: retired
                        They say that now ...

                        Well, where is the construction of the aircraft ????
                        Ah, Yura ?? request
                      11. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 01
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        where is the construction of the aircraft ????

                        Sasha is to blame. Yes
                      12. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 03
                        Quote: retired
                        Sasha is to blame. yes


                        I don’t accept apologies, let’s pour Yura less.
                      13. 0
                        30 October 2014 01: 17
                        Quote: studentmati
                        pour

                        Well, what can I say ... Pouring today means helping in the future ... smile
                      14. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 01
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Well, where is the construction of the aircraft ????
                        Ah, Yura ?? request


                        Do not boil friend! Technology is still preserved! Need political will! And she is already beginning to manifest, thank God!
                      15. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 05
                        Quote: studentmati
                        Do not boil friend! Technology is still preserved!

                        Sanya! Jura suggested together, the three of us to build an aircraft !!! What time!
                      16. +2
                        30 October 2014 01: 08
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Yura suggested together, the three of us to build an aircraft !!! What time!

                        And Sasha is to blame anyway. Yes
                      17. +2
                        30 October 2014 01: 12
                        Quote: retired
                        And Sasha is to blame anyway.

                        Yurp, don't jump off!
                        I’m here on the occasion I can dvigun wash!
                        Like from the 52nd Yak
                      18. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 13
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Like from the 52nd Yak

                        belay
                        Hold it ...
                      19. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 24
                        Prikinte, Boys! he was handed over to the metal ..... fool
                        In the morning I drive them, I’ll tell you a sidekick so that I don’t do anything!
                      20. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 30
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        In the morning I drive them, I’ll tell you a sidekick so that I don’t do anything!


                        And we'll figure it out.
                      21. 0
                        30 October 2014 01: 32
                        Quote: studentmati
                        And we'll figure it out.

                        For the common cause! I ALWAYS!
                      22. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 21
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Yurp, don't jump off!
                        I’m here on the occasion I can dvigun wash!
                        Like from the 52nd Yak


                        OBHSS in the know?
                      23. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 17
                        Quote: retired
                        And Sasha is to blame anyway. yes


                        I finally can no problem! Homeland will order - let's do it! I just need to decide how many people and how high! Give out TTX, wait? drinks
                      24. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 12
                        Here's another, from childhood ...:
                      25. +2
                        30 October 2014 01: 20
                        Well ... my dears! I will soon be at work ... Be happy and healthy! drinks Till!! recourse
                      26. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 27
                        Quote: retired
                        Well ... my dears! I will soon be at work ... Be happy and healthy! drinks Bye !! recourse


                        Yura! See you soon!!! drinks
                      27. +1
                        30 October 2014 01: 30
                        Guys! Thank !
                        For you! drinks

                        Sasha, Yura, See you !!!