In St. Petersburg, will present the project of a thermonuclear reactor of the future

October 17 in St. Petersburg will be presented the project of a fusion reactor, which will be cheaper than modern coal-fired power plants. This project was developed by scientists from the University of Washington (UW).

American experts will present a new type of reactor project in Russia. Perhaps this project will be a step for humanity in a new era of energy abundance, in which there will be no place for bulky and dangerous nuclear power plants and cars with carcinogenic exhausts.

The presentation of the project will take place as part of the 25-th International Conference on Thermonuclear Fusion Energy (FEC 2014), which opened in St. Petersburg on Monday, October 13. Speaking about the conference opened in the northern capital, the head of Rosatom Vyacheslav Pershukov stressed that 800 participants had registered at the conference in St. Petersburg. On Monday morning, 650 of them arrived in the city, they are representatives of more than 35 countries of the world.

It is worth noting that the Russian Federation for the first time in modern stories hosting this scientific forum. This conference is held once in 2 under the auspices of the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) and is the main platform for discussing promising areas in the field of thermonuclear energy research. The first such conference was held in Salzburg, Austria in 1961, the USSR hosted it in 1968, then the conference was held in Novosibirsk. The organizers of the FEC 2014 conference are the IAEA, the state corporation Rosatom and the Russian government. In total, scientists from 45 states will take part in the St. Petersburg conference.

The topic raised at the conference is very compelling. The energy of controlled nuclear fusion is seen today as very promising and too good to be true: fast-decaying radioactive waste, zero emissions of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, almost no unlimited supply of fuel. Thermonuclear energy is based on the fusion of hydrogen atoms to form helium. This process involves the release of a huge amount of heat. According to the version, only one glass of water using nuclear fusion is able to produce as much energy as half a million barrels of oil. At the same time, this technology is safer than existing NPPs, the operation of which is based on the splitting of heavy atoms.

In this case, this type of energy today does not develop a very big obstacle: the production of electricity by this method is very expensive. The proposed designs of thermonuclear power plants are not cheap enough to make them more profitable than systems that use fossil resources (natural gas and coal). However, scientists from the University of Washington are ready to change the current state of affairs. They created an innovative concept of a thermonuclear reactor, the scaling of which to the size of a real power plant would not cost more than building a coal-fired power plant of the same capacity.

A team of American scientists from UW published their new-type concept for a fusion reactor in the spring of 2014, after which it conducted a series of experiments using a pilot plant called HIT-SI3. Now scientists are ready to officially present their project to the international scientific community. Scientists are going to talk not only about the technical characteristics and features of their reactor, but also about its excellent economic potential. The design of the thermonuclear reactor represented by them is considerably smaller and simpler than all the previously submitted projects, in which the plasma was held by a magnetic field, the generation of which was carried out by superpower magnets.

HIT-Si3

The HIT-SI3 reactor they created is based on existing technologies and generates a magnetic field inside a confined space in order to keep the plasma in a stable state. This reactor can generate energy for a long time. The heat of the plasma heats the coolant, which, in turn, drives the turbine of the generator. The peculiarity of the new reactor lies in its design called spheromak. In the present reactor, the main mass of magnetic fields is formed by the use of electric currents in the plasma itself, which drastically reduces the number of electromagnets, reduces the size and cost of the reactor.

Scientists from UW found that the costs of building a spheromak and a modern coal-fired power plant of similar capacity are comparable. A 1 gigawatt reactor can be built for 2,7 billion dollars, and a coal-fired power plant will cost 2,8 billion dollars. At the same time in a fusion reactor the basis for the fuel is hydrogen - one of the most common substances in our entire Universe.

At the moment, the viability of the proposed UW spheromak concept is tested on the HIT-SI3 pilot reactor, whose power and size are approximately 1 / 10 of the output power and size of an industrial power plant. According to American scientists, it will take years to finalize this prototype to the level of its industrial introduction into production, but the ability of a prototype reactor to maintain plasma stability has been successfully proven. For thermonuclear energy, this is a key issue. In the future, scientists are ready to increase the size of the prototype reactor, increase the reaction temperature and, accordingly, significantly increase the output power of the reactor.

It is curious to note that the cost of the new project is approximately 1 / 10 of the cost of the ITER International Experimental Thermonuclear Reactor under construction in France, while the reactor proposed by scientists from Washington can produce more energy in 5. Russia also participates in the implementation of the ITER project. Sanctions against our country did not affect participation in this large international project, said Rosatom general director Vyacheslav Pershukov. According to the head of the state corporation, in 2014, the participation of the Russian Federation in this project amounted to about 5 billion rubles. According to Pershukov, the budget of each of the countries participating in this project is floating and changes every year depending on the equipment that the country must supply for its implementation.

Information sources:
http://zoom.cnews.ru/rnd/news/top/uw_predstavit_v_sanktpeterburge_termoyad_budushchego
https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2043127&cid=2161
http://ria.ru/atomtec/20141013/1028065409.html

Comments

[fzr1000]

Good news. Nevertheless, Russia is one of the leaders in nuclear energy, and we have money, which is why we are being taken to all sorts of international consortia. The sanctions here have not yet affected us.

[user237]

If thermonuclear energy works, what will happen to oil and gas prices?

The largest fusion stellarator opened in Germany

In the German city of Greifswald, the construction of the world's largest stellarator Wendelstein 7-X was completed. According to mpg.de, the construction of the experimental facility has been carried out since 2005, more than a billion euros have been spent on its construction.

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/22/ste/

Tokamaki (ITER) there is a problem with the stability of the plasma, which strives to drift everything to the walls of the chamber. At stellarators no problem with that.

photo Wendelstein 7-X

[gridasov]

We can say in advance that there will be no result. Glory and recognition to engineers and builders. Scientists are not. You know how a good accountant looked at the expense and income and saw the balance, and therefore the unaccounted for cash flows. So here too the money was invested, the work was expended, and the result ...
The stability of the plasma lies in the fact that it is necessary to maintain the stability of the dynamic process. And so, everyone received an impulse. It is necessary to form the starting position again. Therefore, there is no secured cycle. And oil and gas will always find their application. You should not generalize too much on this issue.
By the way, the stellator is considered as a device that should form the highest density of "space" between the magnetic fluxes generated by the email. magnetic devices. So, in order to obtain this "space" as a constant cyclic process, it is necessary not to create magnetic fluxes with magnetic coils, but to actually transform any substance, better than a "mobile medium", into its transformed state. Then and only then will there be a process of a long, controlled transformation cycle. BUT not like a one-time impulse now. Let relatively short impulses. By the way, on coils of modern design there is a counterflow in the turns, so the more voltage in the turns, the higher the lateral force of the spin. Up to a breakdown on a perpendicular vector. Everything is quite simple, which is observed in fact and systematically.

[ramsi]

Of all that you said, I understood only about the stray inductance of capacitive capacitors, and, accordingly, the stray capacitance of large coils. But in this case, perhaps, the emphasis is not on the number of turns, but on the core

[gridasov]

There are completely justified reasons why magnetic power flows around each coil turn form their own flow system. However, each new turn forms magnetic fluxes that impede the propagation of disturbances in the entire aggregate coil, and moreover, an aggregate magnetic flux forms at the ends of this aggregate coil. More precisely, each pole forms a system of its directed flows with a longitudinal vector and spin. Here is a simple geometry, but dynamic magnetic force flows. And what I described is a fact that is confirmed in any physics textbook. BUT!!! With all this, they do not see and do not take into account. And this means that with a certain voltage pulse at the poles of both the rod and the coil (ideally a solenoid), a portion of the local space is formed that tears both the coil and the rod. See the experiences of Tesla and contemporaries. And not only in what place, but also how. Therefore, it is absolutely possible to agree with TEsla that there should be one turn on the external winding of its generator. Or? Many turns, but with a very specific kind of winding. Which by the way, no one uses anywhere. Personally, I have not seen, although I monitor the topic constantly. In addition, the inner winding must have a completely different look.
Therefore, a modern linear reactor has all the shortcomings of the solenoid and the rod, and therefore has limits of its strength. Again the question. Which capacitor or which design does not leak. Or how to connect two electronic components so that the conductor or resistance does not collapse with a strong voltage pulse?

[ramsi]

let's simplify the picture for understanding: the more turns, the greater the inductance, the greater the magnetic permeability of the core (together with the dimensions), the greater the inductance of the coil, though it starts to depend on the magnitude of the applied voltage.

[gridasov]

Let's keep it simple. Then let's figure it out and clarify the understanding of the terms. First, I would clarify that my reasoning is not of "this world." I say what I understand as what "others" do. And comparing what people do and that "they" themselves believe and justify their beliefs. No abstraction or guile. Therefore, it is important for me to hear your voice, and not those who came up with theories in which they themselves did not believe and which are imposed without an alternative view and position. It can be said in another way that everything has its progressive meaning for the time being, until someone appears who will see deeper.
And now on the topic. Inductance is a combination of forces expressed by magnetic force processes and determined by the measure and vector of the longitudinal force and spin. Therefore, the inductance collected by turns superimposed one by one or overlapping creates and strengthens the longitudinal magnetic force vector, but it reduces the force of the spin torque. What is called self-induction.
The magnetic permeability of the core is actually the same systemic processes, but based on the structural properties of materials at the level of the crystal lattice. This is brief. Therefore, it is possible and necessary to create such methods and devices in which the vector of longitudinal magnetic force flux will be identical and mutually reinforcing.

[ramsi]

Let's make it even simpler: from my humble practice, I can testify that winding "turn to turn" and winding "in bulk" are really different, but one is different; but the "medium" core, on the "small" inductance of the coil, at the "low" voltage, gives an increase in inductance of one and a half times ...

[gridasov]

I will not dispute because the justification is that there is a harmonization of email. magnetic processes at agreed levels. This is comparable to the fact that for each material, as a conductor, there is a certain electronic scale. magnetic disturbances in which there may be optimal conductivity or maximum non-conductivity. Therefore, the division into dia, a pair of magnets and the rest is a very exaggerated division. And there is plenty of evidence for this.

[ramsi]

damn, well it's not fair, I give up again

[gridasov]

We are not competing. We learn and learn. I am with you. You are with me. I will be glad to always answer your questions.

[crazyrom]

Let me ask you again: did the Americans bring us a project of a "new and better" reactor for free and show us it for free and announce to build it? Have you ever heard such an expression, "Trojan horse"?

[Simple]

Quote: gridasov

Personally, I have not seen, although I monitor the topic constantly.

Good day.

And if mercury liquid is considered as a medium for creating electromagnetic fields?
After all, Hydrargyrum has the properties of a metal and a liquid. Perhaps it will be possible to create conditions under which the negative (in terms of result) momentum of the elementary particles involved in the creation of the magnetic field will be negligible?

[gridasov]

Good evening. As far as I know, the combustion of human flesh leaves carbon and an average of 25 grams of mercury. German scientists during the Second World War accumulated mercury for technical use. So the unique property of this substance is its ionization ability. In other words, dynamic flows of mercury polarize the surface of the outflow. Water also has this ability and experiments of a hundred years ago confirm this. And the Coanda effect is a confirmation of this. So about these 25 grams. Why not assume that mercury is present in the blood. Then the dynamic blood flow with the presence of mercury becomes more ionized. This means that the magnetic force interactions of the blood with the vessels regulate the movement of what we call oxygen and others, which we say is transferred to the organs by this blood. Let someone laugh. BUT !!! hardly anyone will deny the evidence of the process itself. The use of mercury for the Germans is associated with specific developments that are very closely combined precisely with the ionization of the discharge surface of the so-called. turbine blades, then the function of the induction coils is carried out precisely by the blades in which the emf is created by a directed flow of ionized substance. It is about such a reactor that we can speak of the most promising one.

[Simple]

Quote: gridasov

The use of mercury for the Germans is associated with specific developments that are very closely combined precisely with the ionization of the discharge surface of the so-called. turbine blades

After the Second World War, Viktor Schauberger "had" to live in the United States. According to the official version, practically nothing came of Schauberger's ideas.

Why not assume that mercury is present in the blood

The assumption is rather extraordinary, but worthy of attention.

In the Bible: "In the blood of a person is his soul."

[gridasov]

I have already noted that when exploring the activities of Schauberger, you need not to unravel his creations, but you need to penetrate the content of his thoughts and ideas. Nothing happened because the Austrians generally banned the reproduction of its simplest generator. And then his devices are built according to the algorithmic principles of the organization of sequentially occurring processes. Perhaps he is the first who, with the unique ability of the human brain, analyzed and dynamics of the transformation of hydro-gas-dynamic flow and transformations on the surfaces of the outflow as simultaneously occurring processes.

[gridasov]

I do not see your post. Therefore, I will answer here.
I have little faith in conviction. I think that exhaustive validity is more appropriate for a statement. Therefore, of course, this is only a selective option. But a reactor based on a "dynamic" principle of organizing the process is more likely than on a "static" physical. chemical transformations. In any case, there is much more objectivity in what we have and what we can get. And the more so as I only convey this idea as an option.

[Alex]

Quote: Simple

Why not assume that mercury is present in the blood.

Quote: Simple

The assumption is rather extraordinary, but worthy of attention.

I am not a medic or biologist, but, EMNIP, mercury accumulates in tissues, mainly in muscle. There seems to be nothing special in the blood - after all, heavy metal.

[gridasov]

Since this is my reasoning, I motivate them with numerous facts of damage to the brain itself. But !!! mercury just naturally has phase states. Therefore, it is in the blood as the initiator of ionization processes associated with the transfer of oxygen into tissues. I consider the process as energy transfer and those processes that justify it

[Dioxin]

In order not to assume, conduct a chemical blood test, but rather find the results previously carried out and you will not guess on the coffee grounds.

[gridasov]

We build algorithmic chains for understanding the process of why and how the metabolism in the blood occurs based on email. magnetic phenomena and justifications. If there is other reasoning, I will accept it with pleasure. It's like a joke. "Why do you need a head? I eat in it." It is necessary not to read the words, but to analyze the meaning and content.

[Svetlana]

the result will be - the ability of the prototype reactor to maintain plasma stability has already been successfully proven at HIT-SI3. Do you happen to use artificial intelligence systems to write texts?

[opus]

Quote: user237

If thermonuclear energy works, what will happen to oil and gas prices?

Nothing will happen (practically), it will only be more expensive (the resource is limited)
1. Oil and gas is not only a source of temperature, it is the basis of the entire economy / technology of the Earth:
-plastics
composites
-etc
asphalt in tch.
greases
-synthetic rubbers and rubbers;
-synthetic fabrics;
-polymer films (polyethylene, polypropylene);
-detergents;
- solvents, paints and varnishes;
dyes;
-fertilizers;
pesticides;
-wax;
-sulfur, which is extracted from oil during refining, goes to the production of sulfuric acid.

2. in the face of rising food prices in the United States and several other countries, food production using microbiological synthesis of protein from petroleum products and refinery waste is becoming increasingly relevant.
Refining all 2% of the annual oil production allows producing up to 25 mln tons of protein, which is enough to supply 2 billion people during the year. It is used in the production of a wide variety of products, replacing animal protein.
3. The daily headache for women - "how to look better today" - is also solved with the help of petrochemicals
-from petrochemicals produce cosmetic pencils, eyeshadows, various dyes, nail polishes, all kinds of jewelry, jewelry. Finally, most of the perfumes for perfume, without which a modern woman can hardly imagine herself, are synthesized from petrochemicals.

[user237]

Quote: opus

Nothing will happen (practically), it will only be more expensive (the resource is limited)
Oil and gas is not only a source of temperature, it is the basis of the entire economy / technology of the Earth:

“According to the American Petroleum Institute, in the USA 43% of petroleum products are used as fuel for automobiles, 9% as jet fuel, 11% as diesel fuel, 16% is used for the manufacture of asphalt, plastic, oils, etc., 4% - used for heating homes, 5% - as ship fuel, 12% - for other needs.

As seen, more than half of all petroleum products used as fuel. "

http://topwar.ru/35981-torievaya-energetika-novyy-vyzov-rossii.html

[opus]

Quote: user237

As you can see, more than half of all petroleum products are used as fuel. ”

1. You didn’t read the data of the American Petroleum Institute, but you read the article by Trident
Honor:
American Chemistry Council, Global Business of Chemistry Statistics March 2011.
Eurostat and Cefic Chemdata International.
StrategicResourcesInc.
2. Saudi Arabia: production (oil) 505 million tons, but the state-owned chemical company Saudi Basic Industries Corporation (SABIC) ONLY its production volumes chemical products (from oil) of SABIC, 85 mln t, and will be in 2020 135 mln t

3.Only Russia
Per capita production of plastics and synthetic resins is projected for 2015 in the amount of not less than 68,0 kg / person (against 25,9 kg / person in 2005), chemical fibers and yarns - not less than 5,0 (against 1,1) kg / person, synthetic rubbers and latexes - not less than 14,5 (against 8,0) kg / person.
/ And all this from oil or GHG /
4. The volume of investments by industry based on an analysis of large business plans until 2010

[user237]

Quote: opus

You did not read the data of the American Petroleum Institute

They have part of the articles - paid!

Quote: opus

and read the article by Trident

So what??? I should not believe this, because some Vasya Piskin is in doubt?

Quote: opus

Honor:
American Chemistry Council, Global Business of Chemistry Statistics March 2011.
Eurostat and Cefic Chemdata International.
StrategicResourcesInc.

Links correctly give mental development does not allow ???
I scored it all on Google, I didn’t find the percentage of oil consumption in any of the results!

Quote: opus

Saudi Arabia: production (oil) of 505 million tons, but the state-owned chemical company Saudi Basic Industries Corporation (SABIC) Volumes ONLY of its production of chemical products (from oil) of SABIC, 85 mln tons

That's right: 16.8% is petrochemicals. Please provide other petrochemical companies from Saudi Arabia.

Quote: opus

3.Only Russia
The per capita production of plastics and synthetic resins is forecasted for 2015 in the amount of at least 68,0 kg / person (against 25,9 kg / person in 2005), chemical fibers and threads ...

Where is the percentage of oil consumption?

Quote: opus

4. Volume investment by industry ...

And where does the investment ???

[MolGro]

scientists from the University of Washington - not very inspiring confidence!

[iConst]

Quote: MolGro

scientists from the University of Washington - not very inspiring confidence!

In-in. As soon as it reaches the commercial stage - hop - sanctions - no way!

[theadenter]

Technology may be good. But we cannot depend on it. And if you do them under a license (this is safer for us) - their cost advantage may come to naught.

[Bayonet]

Quote: theadenter

And if you do them under license

What are we talking about ??? These are all projects, construction and industrial operation in the foreseeable future is not planned ...

[Assistant]

Technology may be good. But we cannot depend on it. And if you do them under a license (this is safer for us) - their cost advantage may come to naught.

Spherical tokamak (spheromak) "Globus-M", St. Petersburg, FTI im. A.F. Ioffe, launched in 1999
http://globus.rinno.ru/

[voyaka uh]

The university is not in the US capital,
and in the Pacific, Washington.
He is 25 in the international rating.
Very high place.

[Alex]

Quote: voyaka uh

He is 25 in international ranking. Very high place.

It is, of course, so, but the ratings are the Americans themselves and make up. The University of Utah, I think, is also not in last place, but how much noise there was with their phony "cold term" ... Something of Fleischman and Pons was neither heard nor spirit. It seems to me that this is another cartoon, like a superluminal spaceship.

[Alexander]

The concepts of reactors are completely complete, but they do not go beyond ideas. The most interesting idea that the Germans gradually bring to life is the Wendelstein 7-X stellarator, an example of this. It is strange that the ideas of pulsed reactors are not visible, the concept of which was already put forward by our scientists in the Union. And if the Union had not been destroyed, then it would have been built.

[FunkschNNX]

Something is doubtful that the Americans would show us something really valuable. Maybe they want to go on the wrong track?

[Kazakh]

Something tells me that our scientists came up with something better and now the Americans are throwing bait in the form of their project in order to fetch a secret. Or they brought a crude project in the hope that we will bathe and finalize for them.

[theadenter]

Or they want patent royalties (they say we did it first).

[Vadim237]

In twenty years, thermonuclear energy will become a reality.

[gridasov]

Excuse me, but you cannot erase words from a saying. "a fool dummy wealth"
There must be well-grounded scientific arguments on which way to go to achieve the goal. In fact, the technology is based on outdated scientific theories that have nothing with real progress and for decades they have been investing money in "soap bubbles". No ! no doubt there is something positive. Only it is already clearly realized that the path will not lead to the desired goal. New fundamental approaches are needed.

[Vadim237]

Our guys have already created a linear thermonuclear reactor that surpasses foreign developments in all respects and is much cheaper, as an example - twenty years ago 3D printers were also fantastic, and now they are available for sale. Over time, everything will work out.

[Shur]

But boil Filimonenko Ivan Stepanovich do you think he raved?

[gridasov]

Ivan Stepanovich Filimonenko is a genius of our times. ... He remained unrecognized and misunderstood as Schauberger and Tesla. The ancient Egyptians knew about electricity, but "the spoon is not for dinner." Perhaps this is how Filimonenko should have prepared us, too, to understand many simple things and events.

[Shur]

Those. its cold fusion is not a disinformation. Then it turns out we, our country (USSR) flew by. Indeed, very attractive prospects promised his discoveries. Why so? After all, his database, backlogs, installations, results were not thrown away.

[Shur]

Who cares about the brilliant man Ivan Stepanovich Filimonenko

[Shur]

It just seems to me that the ancient Egyptians only knew about electricity, but from where. In general, the topic is very interesting. If, what they knew, it wasn’t their knowledge. He is Taatum, he is not quite a god, he is a man and most likely from another time.

[Alex]

Quote: Shur

It just seems to me that the ancient Egyptians only knew about electricity

It is possible that during the excavations of ancient Sumer, clay jugs with traces of sulfuric acid (not the most scarce substance even in those times) and corroded copper rods were found (it is unnecessary to talk about copper). But then assumptions begin. If we assume (just assume!) That there was also zinc (unlikely, almost fantastic) or an iron rod (this is much more real), then we have a prototype of the Volta element (not with the largest emf, but yet). But let's not forget that this is only an assumption.
But creating a galvanic couple is only half the battle (in the end, corrosion is a long-known thing and also an electrochemical process), but how to fix the appearance of voltage or current? Is that sparking? Still back and forth, but hardly more: suggesting the presence of electrochemical or electrical engineering (even in a very primitive form), IMHO, is quite bold.

He is Taatum, he is not quite a god, he is a man and most likely from another time.

Dear Shur, let's stop at this point: this way you can go quite far ...

In general, the topic is very interesting.

I absolutely agree, sorry, the format of the forum is not the same ...

[Shur]

I haven’t gone anywhere. Honestly. Regarding to fix (prove), they might not have bothered, who needed this evidence? My opinion is a brake on development.
I did not continue. Thoughts and no more, do not betray the importance, whoever needs it, they will pay attention.

[Alex]

Shur, it’s not about scientific and academic evidence (here you’re right, there is no need for a bumblebee to prove his flight, he just uses it), but about fixing in the consciousness of a phenomenon that is practically valuable (or prospectively valuable), for example, the phenomenon of electrification during friction of amber the Greeks observed wool (or hair) for a long time, even they gave it a name, but it took Pendant to give a mathematical model of interaction, and Volta to create a galvanic cell. Well, and also Faraday, who discovered electromagnetic induction, but did not even imagine what could be obtained from it (that's the irony of fate). As you can see, a lot of time has passed so that people in a funny curiosity will see a powerful assistant. And this despite the fact that they had devices and focused scientific research.

And evidence is needed in science, this is its foundation. Otherwise, instead of chemistry, we will have alchemy and witchcraft, instead of astronomy - astrology and fortune-tellers (like Globa forever flying with his predictions), instead of physics - world ether and an endless series of projects of perpetual motion machines. Another thing is that not every hypothesis can be proved, as they say, on the fly. But one should not be allowed to parasitize on unresolved problems.

Your thoughts to me personally (I do not want to offend anyone) seem rather original and not without what they call a scientific approach to studying the past. Archaeologists often throw nuts to chemists and physicists, about which more than one tooth has broken. There are not only Egyptian little things (here the devil himself will break his leg, it was so long ago), here is the bowl of Tiberius, and the zinc lining of the Chinese sarcophagus, and Indian legends ...

So, for God's sake, don’t be offended, you just don’t need imagination to get ahead of reality. Let it spur her, so it will be more fun to live.
Best regards,

[Shur]

Dear Alex, I suggest you turn off your computer, do not use lights and electricity. alternating current energy, since comrade Tesla, who, and you, I hope, will not argue will not be directly related to these benefits, operated on the concept of "ether". I'm not going to dispute anything, I'm just about my opinion. So, ask yourself the question: - "How much more effective and useful are the discoveries of Nikola Tesla and the conclusions of Albert Einstein to mankind?" From the standpoint of traditional physics, Tesla is at least "wrong".

[Alex]

Quote: Shur

Dear Alex, I suggest you turn off your computer, do not use lights and electricity. alternating current energy, since comrade Tesla, who, and you, I hope, will not argue will not be directly related to these benefits, operated on the concept of "ether".

Yes, let Tesla operate with any concepts, even "ether", even "spirit of God". If the conclusions drawn with their help are correct, then it does not matter how they are obtained. The problem is that the wrong theories will sooner or later stop yielding the right results. True, theory is a theory in order to change or go into history - such is the dialectic of the development of science. There is no need for me to turn off the computer and electricity because of some incorrect theoretical premises of people who tormented the difficult road of scientific research. There is no need to burn horoscope magazines just because they are, to put it mildly, unscientific: entertainment is also needed. You just need to be clear about where is science, and where is science or working theory.

So, ask the question: - "How much more effective and useful are the discoveries of Nikola Tesla and the conclusions of Albert Einstein to humanity?"

Exactly as much as any other discoveries and conclusions that have helped move science forward. Joseph Priestley believed in the existence of phlogiston, but at the same time discovered oxygen and nitrogen, investigated the properties of hydrogen chloride and observed the evolution of hydrogen. And it doesn't matter that he was mistaken in the basis of his explanations - the time has come and Lavoisier corrected his mistakes. Lev Landau, the same "wrong" as Tesla, put forward more than a dozen hypotheses and theories to explain the physics of elementary particles, and was, EMNIP, the only Nobel laureate who received it not in Stockholm, but in a hospital ward. About the idea of ​​Louis de Broglie, even his scientific adviser Paul Langevin said: "The ideas of the dissertation are, of course, absurd, but developed with such grace and brilliance that I accepted the thesis for defense." Even more famous is Niels Bohr's phrase about Wolgang Pauli's idea of ​​a neutrino: "This is a crazy theory. The question is whether it is crazy enough to be correct." I think it's hard to say better about the role of "wrong" ideas in science

[Shur]

You are devout. I have a slightly different attitude to the concepts of "for God's sake", and I'm not going to offend myself (take offense), why should I? Bekhterev V.M. argued that thought is material, which means that we create by dreaming (creatively, the German word "fantasy" does not apply here). Don't be afraid to dream!
Strange you say that you want to persuade me to accept your vision. The world does not fit into the invented framework, it is differently shaped, much shaped and without a shape too. Unfortunately, the Anglo-Western, dead, without a figurative world has now captured the minds of many.

[Alex]

Quote: Shur

You are devout.

Absolutely not. The use of well-known phraseological units is simply a tribute to tradition and an attempt to increase the imagery of the text (agree that turning the forum into a platform for highly scientific discussions is not entirely correct in relation to other participants).

Quote: Shur

Strange you say that you want to persuade me to accept your vision.

Also absolutely not. just trying to prove / explain my point of view, completely not claiming your vision of the world. True, I will not hide - if I manage to convince you, I will be very flattered (but here I’m sorry, just a teaching habit )

And I absolutely agree with your thesis about the endless diversity and variability of the world. Therefore, it is difficult to study it, because there are so many mistakes, misconceptions, accidents and tragedies (personal and not so) in its study.

[Shur]

Better watch the video, interesting.

[gridasov]

Thanks for the info. So further argue that our theoretical justification allows, contrary to the proposed solutions on a flat architecture for constructing microcircuits, to create spatial ones. And these are much higher energy density parameters. By the way, the control grid on the electronic device that was positioned can be significantly upgraded, which will increase the structure of the formation of magnetic force flows by orders of magnitude. In general, all this is the geometry of the organization of magnetic force processes. And the guys are smart.

[Alex]

Thank you very much for the video, I really watched it with interest, but unfortunately, electronics is not my strongest place (and this is very softly said). So I will not comment on this video: not within my competence.

[Silumin]

What can you say about fast neutron reactors?

[PSih2097]

Quote: Vadim237

In twenty years, thermonuclear energy will become a reality.

provided that gas and oil run out before this happens, gas and oil corporations will slow down the design of a fusion reactor by any means, up to and including lethal ...

[Kadavercianin]

Even provided that a working industrial thermonuclear power plant is built within 30 years, oil and gas will not go anywhere, it may get cheaper, vehicles mostly use combustible fuel, and some will be either too expensive or too difficult to make pure electrics. And besides, the appearance of standard nuclear power plants did not destroy the existing thermal power plants, so the appearance of new power plants is radically, I doubt it will change anything, people are very inert.

[user237]

Quote: Kadavercianin

Even provided that a working industrial thermonuclear power plant is built within 30 years, oil and gas will not go anywhere, it may get cheaper, vehicles mostly use combustible fuel, and some will be either too expensive or too difficult to make pure electrics.

Solid-state chemical current source based on an ionic conductor such as lanthanum trifluoride.

"The fact is that specific energy level of promising chemical current sources very high (500-1000 W • h / dm3 or 1,8 kJ / cm3) and already compare, for example, with the energy level of the explosive conversion of 1 cm3 of TNT (6,7 kJ / cm3). "

ALEXANDER ARKADIEVICH POTANIN - candidate of technical sciences, head of the laboratory of the Russian Federal Nuclear Center - All-Russian Research Institute of Experimental Physics (RFNC-VNIIEF).
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A new class of batteries of huge capacity has been opened.
The highest density of stored energy per unit volume was given by an electrolyte based on vanadium diboride, showing absolutely fantastic 27 W • h per liter of volume, that is, in fact, more than a liter of gasoline, and "at times"!
http://compulenta.computerra.ru/tehnika/devices/10009109/

“In Western countries, the development of electric aircraft engines is underway. For example, Rolls-Royce presented the concept of an electric aircraft engine at the Paris Air Show this year. ”

http://topwar.ru/35981-torievaya-energetika-novyy-vyzov-rossii.html

[Kadavercianin]

And how soon will this move from laboratories to production reality?
And how soon and at what price does a replacement of at least 30% of the total number of equipment that such a mover requires?

Sorry, but while the electric motor on the aircraft can barely cope with small UAVs, you just don’t need to talk about experimental machines that have no payload and are not cheap, the proposed projects, for example, should generally accelerate like a glider, so far without an alternative in the form more energy-intensive sources of energy, aviation without hydrocarbons can only be atomic.

[gridasov]

No one even wants to hear that the principles embedded in the propeller do not even allow UAVs to carry a sufficient payload. The reason is the organization of the process of how the stream flows through this device. And it is not effective to say the least. And for a simple reason, you can use the energy of the incoming flow to the full not only of its kinetic energy, but also of the potential substance of the flow.
Looking at these perspective and already without perspective units it is possible to regret only.

[Kadavercianin]

Is it possible in more detail?

I am sincerely interested, only if it is easier, I have not studied aerodynamics professionally and engine building too. I'm just curious, you talk about the inefficiency of the screws, but what it is expressed in is not entirely clear. I assume that a large number of very serious people in the relevant research institutions are involved in this problem, but so far, to be honest, nothing fundamentally new has come across. You can give a link or briefly describe your vision of the possibility of increasing efficiency (please indicate by what criteria you can increase it and how) if it does not complicate you

PS

About 10 years ago I read about such things as wings with an additional free-stream retention system, devices in which part of the air from the air intake is transferred to the fuselage and wing, to increase their aerodynamic quality, about an annular wing, about flying natural gas aircraft - and after 10 years old and now there.

[gridasov]

Thank! I always pay special attention to people who are interested in what I'm talking about. I try not to tell and fully open the entire amount of information, but to make sure that everyone himself comes to conclusions. Why? Because potentially not everyone is able to perceive the entire depth of information. I will give an example. Before your eyes is a creature from another world (alien). Other forms of the body and its parts, different colors and essence are the form of the flesh, a different worldview and communication methods. Everything is completely different. But! everything is obvious. So it is necessary to prepare the person not to be afraid of everything new in the form of these new properties, but also able to analyze and be ready for communication. Believe that there are such visible images or properties in another system of human perception capabilities that can exceed these limits, and therefore be life-threatening.
So. Firstly, you can go over my posts and make a selection of key thoughts, each of which contains a piece of related information. But I tend to learn to get to know new people and always try to describe the same processes and phenomena in a new way. All the more so because I rely on the information that gives your "portrait" from the brief explanations in the posts.
It is unlikely to succeed easier, but I will try more concisely.
The basis for understanding seemingly simple, but basic in human use of objects is the method of their analysis. A person thinks as he is taught. All mathematics only contributes to this. We think consistently from a private solution to a new private solution. We write all information as a linear notation of strings. This is how our computers are built. However, the natural series of numbers has a fundamental basis for the fact that the series itself and calculations can be carried out in the same linear series, but radially from the center and in the interconnection of all constructions. The key element of such calculations is the continuity of these series for all coordinate vectors and each individual number and their system groups and the entire system complex. Enough for now. Therefore, using this method, we took up the most ordinary and "known" to everyone, which seems impossible to reinvent the device - this wheel. The wheel is not a static object, but a device in the analysis of which one can lay as many obvious properties as possible. AND! Properties have appeared that are not obvious to perception, but which are the fact that they simply should be in the algorithm of all properties. They don't exist, but mathematically, they must be there! So the problem is in ourselves. And not in a wheel or in the form of something that we, with our inability, cannot see.
In general, SCREW is carried out in the analysis of its work only as iron or a derivative of a wheel with all its properties. But it is necessary to analyze it in the complex of those transformations of the environment in which it is located. It is necessary to analyze not just the processes of change in the outflow flows, and even more highly dynamic ones, but also those phenomena that do not interfere with this flow when they are ionized by the same flow. After all, you can consider some part of the process as a particular, but without considering the processes in the algorithms for changing the very dynamics of these transformations, it is impossible to understand that there are limits to the indestructible rotation of any objects of the same wheel.
In conclusion of the post, I’ll clarify once again that scientists have no way to simulate situations beyond their perception. They can be modeled by new methods of high-performance analysis of huge interconnected volumes of information.
Unfortunately no links. I write without editing and from myself.

[gridasov]

For a complete analysis of the screw, as a physical process, you need to go down to the level of properties and flows of the medium and the properties of the screw itself, when they can be compared. This is the email level. magnetic interactions. This means that in each of the process it is necessary to introduce additionally such fundamental properties, unfortunately which scientists do not have. This causes a problem in communication with opponents. For example: the radial velocity of a hydro-gas-dynamic flow on the surface of an outlet located in rotation. Or else. The process of transition of a laminar flow to a turbulent one and how the flow motion vectors are distributed, which causes the so-called. ionization of the surface of the expiration. Or in the particular case of how polarization arises between this flow and an exaggerated point on the surface of the outflow. Generally, how to expose the mat. turbulent flow analysis and how laminarity properties differ from flow turbulence. But the most interesting thing is that the technical solution to solve many problems is so simple that one can only be surprised. I admit the calculation of such a device is very difficult.

[Kadavercianin]

As far as I understand you, you indicated first of all several general problems of modern and not very science:
1- "Ossification" of both human thinking and the mathematical apparatus used, the difficulty of looking beyond the usual framework and around the corner of proven solutions.
2- "Limitations of modeling", related to the first, is that the algorithms for analysis and modeling, as well as the equipment producing them, have a large number of limitations, such as imperfection or backwardness of the mathematical apparatus, the complexity of creating a full-fledged or close to a full-fledged, complex model , power, memory, architecture and speed of modern computing systems
3- "Sequence of thinking" -selected separately, because often those who go beyond it begin to be considered geniuses, when if the problem cannot be solved then they begin, as programmers say, "crutches", that is, the whole concept is not revised, but add-ons are created to correct the created defect, and not looking for a way to eliminate it at the level of the system itself
4- "Border crossings" - I am not a researcher, but it seems to me that there is a place for such phenomena (otherwise no one would try to create a "theory of everything"), as you described the code, two sections that are quite different from each other intersect (mechanical movement and electrical interaction).

I hope in general the message I understood correctly: first of all, the problems of screws are that at the present stage it is difficult to consider the exact, detailed model of their work, as well as the complex of transients associated with them. But you mentioned that there are simple technical solutions to the problems associated with the operation of the screws, which are difficult to calculate, you can clarify which ones.

[gridasov]

I am delighted! YOU absolutely accepted everything. I can only clarify that the new device is as simple in its basic structural component, but the process that occurs in it, as the physical process of transformation of kinetic and potential energy, of this flow, is fundamentally different from what is happening in modern devices. The result was a complicated sentence, when the complex event cannot be described at the same time in the form of presentation. So sorry.

[Kadavercianin]

Here it would be more accurate to understand, I noticed problems of this kind even when I was studying at the institute and formulated for myself at the same time, in addition, to some extent, these problems in "ordinary", so to speak, not scientific life have some place.
If there are already working models of the device’s model, I would like to look at them, at least the photos and the image, of course the details are interesting (only in plain language), if not or secretly, I will wait until they are revealed to the world.

Thanks for answers.

[gridasov]

It is difficult to separate where reality is, where and what are the levels of our ability to adequately perceive events, and where are theories and dogmas imposed. Of course, you can’t mix everything up - the truth is not between all this, but in consideration of all this. Science is an element of one of the global fraud that accompanies human development at the entire stage of its evolution. Previously, it was really a search for truth by gifted and not very, but ideological people. Now this is commerce and more. Real scientific achievements are being accomplished in times of deep human crises. Therefore, I do not think that we will wait for cardinal changes based on new scientific ideas. Although the density of events is changing very quickly, the prerequisites for future shocks are obvious. Moreover, more and more non-objective information is being issued to people.

[Kadavercianin]

The commercialization of science is just a nightmare of some kind, for 2012 out of 50 discoveries in the field of medicine (they were officially announced and grants were allocated for them) 37 turned out to be a soap bubble and were not at least somehow confirmed in the future, scientists are just looking for a way to make money. The search for new opportunities and approaches sometimes leads to strange theories and strange delusions, but as they say: "The one who walks will master the road" and "Only the one who does nothing is not mistaken"

[gridasov]

Several years ago, in a scientific review, trends in the development of processes associated with the appearance of fundamentally significant discoveries were voiced. They simply moved to the cosmos and what is not practical for humans. But the most interesting thing is that the bulk of significant inventions are made by individuals or small groups of people outside academic institutions. We will call them enthusiasts.
I once presented my developments. Two hours of monologue and rave reviews. That was the end of it. In general, I noticed that while you are talking, everyone is asking, "Is it not so now?" But as soon as they diverge, the systemic understanding is destroyed. And everyone plunges into vanity.

[Kadavercianin]

And in what particular area are your developments and are any materials available through no? For example, on youtube, record a presentation.

[gridasov]

No! No! Expand the interconnectedness of events and simulate the consequences of what patenting and popularization of such information will entail. Even if we enter the market, then only with single types of products with clearly underestimated indicators, but sufficient to prevail over other consumer devices. This can be cavitation heat generators, wind devices using not only the frontal flow vector, but also descending or ascending air flows. It can be hydro generators without the use of hydro technical facilities. It can be a pump or compressor. The main thing is changing the ratio of motor power and that part of the energy that we want to receive. Etc. The search for partners is carried out exclusively on thematic sites and with the search for people capable of developing areas of application and method and the devices themselves.

[stalkerwalker]

gridasov! Darling! I am sure that you are at least a candidate, or even a full doctor of sciences ... You write in such a "scientific style" that you drive opponents into a "retro stupor" - everyone reading a (!) Literally sees himself at a lecture ... and you want to sleep ... and you need to listen to the lecturer - what if it comes in handy ... And in the evening - to step into the outfit .. Deja vu ...

[Svetlana]

imho he is just a robot :) but his self-learning software needs to be finalized - it is too noticeable yet .. nevertheless, the authors of the software have respect and respect ..

[Kadavercianin]

I do not need patent data or any design documentation I am curious to know the general direction. If there is nothing open, simply describe in general terms.

[gridasov]

I apologize, but I was really busy and unsubscribed, realizing that this was not very tactful.
And if your brains do not boil, and many want to send me to a psychiatric hospital, then I will say the following.
First, we developed a methodology for analyzing the perception of information that is not based on association. In other words, we are trying to create such a methodology. which would not depend on subjectivity and perceptual emotions. This is all based on the so-called new method of mathematical analysis, which allows you to create a method of combining numbers and code that will simultaneously record the absolute individuality of this code and the absolute interconnectedness at any point in the information. space. At a minimum, this allows the mathematical architecture of modern computers to be transferred from binary to full-size-on. a number of numbers. This methodology allows not only to analyze the infinitely huge flows of encoded information, but also to remove the proportional dependencies on the speed of movement of the codes and, accordingly, the energy costs for moving this uni-code.
At the same time, but in complete interconnection, hydrogozodynamic processes were studied, which does not preclude the possibility of a new analysis of plasma effects and flows. So the first conclusion. Mat analysis allows you to specify the research topics, and the subject determines the result of specific application devices. And a third basic direction is processes in the field of electromagnetism. I will not describe much, but the results make it possible to assert with confidence about the possibility of creating a municipal new component base for electrical engineering and building circuitry devices. These are induction coils without the effect of self-induction and radial. These are radial multipolar capacitors. These are some devices which do not even have analogues and prototypes. This is a spatial circuitry based on the use of magnetic power flows of the component base. Ie devices in devices. These are new electric machines using not only longitudinal vectors of magnetic force flows, but in the dominant value of spin ones.
And of course, it is very important to comprehend that in addition to the above and the formation of a dual-use product, the approach to the formation of a new methodology of education and the formation of a more productive worldview and analysis may be more important. So in short

[Kadavercianin]

Thanks for the reply.

A rather curious methodology of perception and analysis, which crosses out associations, is especially interesting considering that human memory is built on associations. And the features that you described for computing systems generally resemble the work (at least some) of the so-called quantum computer, a full-fledged quantum computer if I remember correctly what was laid down in this concept.

[gridasov]

It is obvious that a quantum computer does not change the basic principles of not only the combination of number and code, but also the construction of a pulse transmission device, namely a multipolar transistor. This, as far as I know, is also not in development.

[Kadavercianin]

Of course, but in addition to new physical principles of work, algorithms of work, it has a data processing system different from modern computers

Quote: gridasov

This methodology allows not only to analyze the infinitely huge flows of encoded information, but also to remove the proportional dependencies on the speed of movement of the codes and, accordingly, the energy costs for moving this uni-code.

This or similar is one of the components of the work of a quantum computer (on it the truth in theory everything should happen instantly in general, regardless of the amount of data)

[gridasov]

You all understand very correctly. And surprisingly for all time, for the first time. Once we tried to participate in the Zvorykinsky project. It even seemed to me that someone was hooked on a thought. BUT! No . We are not even trying to enter the English-speaking space, since it is difficult to convey the depth of the idea in rich and substantial Russian.
Counterquestion . What, for example, is the rationale for "instantaneousness" on a quantum computer? Everything is clear and comprehensively justified with us. And what about them?

[Kadavercianin]

Sorry for the delay.

"Instantaneousness" on a quantum computer, in theory, should be provided by the effect of quantum teleportation or something similar, if I'm not mistaken. Unfortunately, I hardly remember anything about the ideology of creating quantum computers, I read it for a long time.

[gridasov]

But you must admit that the effect of teleportation can only be caused by the disaggregation of a certain form to the level of the state of the energy form of space, and then again the restoration of this form. So there must be a sequence, and therefore the algorithms for this disaggregation and the reverse process. This is me to the fact that the same teleportation must be perceived as a mathematical methodology of the process. That is, the idea and idea of ​​a quantum computer is logical. BUT!!! NOT reasonable. I’m talking about the first step, which allows mathematically substantiating only objective and justified processes, not fantasies.

[Kadavercianin]

I spoke only about the similarity of some concepts, and not about analogies, for example, in a quantum computer, instant data transfer and processing is ensured in many respects and the rejection of the binary system instead of two states should use the current states of atoms or particles formed by several parameters. I don’t remember what a quantum computer should be (all the concepts are completely), but in your system there are some similar transitions similar to some features of a quantum computer, for example:
1-Transition from binary to natural numbers
2-analysis capabilities infinitely huge streams of encoded information
3-Lack of proportional dependencies of the speed of information movement on its volumes, as well as energy costs
Yes, I know that this is not a quantum computer and is close, but some elements to one degree or another appear.

[gridasov]

I will even tell you the fundamental approach that we have taken. Based on the Nat numbers series creates a dynamic architecture of streams of numbers. And already a code is attached to the numbers built in the algorithmic series, like a pulse created by a multipolar transistor. The main result that is achieved is that based on the numbers, the dynamics of the movement or distribution of codes is built, each of which can acquire a variation of properties that is distinctive from all others. This determines the incredibly large capacity of the system in a very limited space of its generator, these codes. That is, the capacity of the system does not increase from entering a new code value. So there is no proportionality to energy costs. This is the simplest physics.
I just feel that it is so difficult to perceive that during my life it will not even be understood, not that it is realized, at least to some extent.

[Shur]

A notable model of an electric motor, its specific power is very interested.

[gridasov]

Do not buy beautiful things. What does it have to do with power when the efficiency of the engine is determined by the performance of the pumped dynamic air flow. And since it is always silent that the screw has the limits of non-destructible rotation, it means the ultimate performance levels. Therefore, not electric power. The engine is determined by the efficiency of this machine.

[Shur]

I was just wondering what is its power per unit mass. It seems that they were going to put it on an airplane.

[user237]

Quote: Kadavercianin

And besides, the appearance of standard nuclear power plants did not destroy the existing thermal power plants, so the appearance of new power plants is radically, I doubt it will change anything, people are very inert.

NPPs are afraid to build too much, thermonuclear power plants are another matter!

[Kadavercianin]

And how are they fundamentally different?

[user237]

Quote: Kadavercianin

And how are they fundamentally different?

If you do not understand this, what can you talk about further?
Read Wikipedia or something.

[Kadavercianin]

I apologize, but your answer resembles rudeness, I asked you to explain how they differ fundamentally.
Yes, I am aware that during the operation of a thermonuclear power plant (TAES), the safety level should be higher due to at least the fact that the reaction is not chain and without special conditions artificially created it should not proceed properly, and the radioactive substances generated as a result quickly decay, Well, it is believed that it is easier to get fuel for it, but there is one big BUT - there are no industrial TAES yet; they just have to create everything that is now experimenting and it's too early to talk about anything.
For example, an attempt to reduce energy consumption may lead to the fact that the time when the reaction will take place "independently" will increase and interrupt its process by cutting down the system may not work (I'm not a nuclear scientist, this is just an assumption), and in the event of an accident (without a nuclear explosion with the release of radioactive components ) if they decay within at least two hours, then the radioactive can much more seriously irradiate those who fall under the fallout (the faster the component decays, the more radioactive it is), and the production of fuel on an industrial scale is also interesting, because there are problems with deuterium, like, no, but there is not enough tritium on Earth.

And until an industrial TAES appears along with its support infrastructure, it is too early to talk about comparison with conventional nuclear power plants.

Nevertheless, answer why, in your opinion, nuclear power plants are afraid to build a lot?

For example, it seems to me that a large number of nuclear power plants will lead to a sharp drop in prices for electricity and fossil fuels (for those who don’t think it’s profitable), and to higher prices for uranium and plutonium, as well as a new round of questions about the processing and disposal of spent fuel . Environmental impacts do not seem convincing to me in view of the fact that the same TPPs pollute the environment much more.

[Vadim237]

Do you want a secret - gas and oil will never end on earth because the cycle of hydrocarbons in nature is the same as water only lasting 60 -70 years, that is, all the fuel that we produced that day will return to the ground in its original state in 60 - 70 years.

[Alex]

Quote: Vadim237

Do you want a secret - gas and oil will never end on earth because the cycle of hydrocarbons in nature is the same as water only lasting 60 -70 years, that is, all the fuel that we produced that day will return to the ground in its original state in 60 - 70 years.

Is this a scientific fact or your personal research? If the first is a source of information (solid and not the only one, please. And preferably - not American). If the second - to you in the Nobel committee.

[Alex]

Quote: Vadim237

In twenty years, thermonuclear energy will become a reality.

I do not want to look like Cassandra, but thirty years ago they spoke about the same. Although, I think, a thermonuclear power plant is a real thing, the question is about the scheme and technologies.

[Internal combustion engine]

If the Americans really invented something worthwhile, they would never have shown it to the whole world. They are not us, shaggy Russians, who just gave them all their achievements in space and in science for a reason.

[Monster_Fat]

The problems of all these "tokamaks" have been the same for many years: 1-complexity of execution and, therefore, low reliability due to a huge number of components, which themselves have low reliability. 2-huge self-consumption. 3-requirement for constant maintenance while the reactor is running. At this stage of technology development, these problems cannot be solved.

[nemo1983]

In the ITER project, according to the plan, by 2050, without taking into account delays and collisions, technical solutions will be worked out and a PROJECT for an industrial installation with a fusion reactor will be developed. The key criterion for obtaining satisfactory results is at least non-negative The efficiency of the installation. Obtaining such a technical solution is the goal of the ITER project.
A tokomak is used as a working area. Many teams unsuccessfully offer stellarators to the Tokomaki site. It is assumed that it consumes less energy for its own needs and will allow faster wiping on non-negative efficiency. However, its reliability is significantly lower than that of tokomaks. Since plasma behavior is very unstable.
I hope the Americans brought with them a confirmation of reliability and this is not a hero from Spider-Man with manipulators sticking out of the back. How is his Doctor Octopus.

[gridasov]

No, you generally understand what you are saying. Invest a lot of money and talk about non-negative efficiency. This is sabotage.
A controlled nuclear reaction is not a single impulse. At least this must be understood. Need a loop. The reverse cyclic process of the transformation of the state of matter. This should be clear to everyone a long time ago. Those who are engaged in this should understand for a long time that there is absolutely no need to use radioactive materials to obtain these processes. In an extreme case, one must at least understand that the radial radiation of the entire scale can and should be converted into longitudinal-linear. And it’s clear why.

[iConst]

Quote: gridasov

In an extreme case, one must at least understand that the radial radiation of the entire scale can and should be converted into longitudinal-linear. And it’s clear why.

What?

[gridasov]

I explain. Radioactive materials are distinguished by the fact that due to the internal crystalline structure, magnetic force flows create variable sections of compression and expansion. This leads to a perturbation impulse, which is transmitted in the form of those fractal perturbations that correspond to these local zones and determine alpha, gamma, vetta, and other radiation. That is, there are perturbation boundaries, and hence the radiation scale. BUT!!! There is also a radiation vector. And it is radial to each structural part of the surface of the radioactive material. So, all this scattered component of radiation is possible and necessary and there is a methodology of how to direct it into one vector. That is, if you take a rod or a more optimal shape and create a potential difference in it due to the internal directed potential energy, and not due to the external applied energy, then you can get a directed flow or current generated by this particular radioactive radiation flux. Well, it’s not difficult and logical and absolutely simple technically.

[Asan Ata]

Chatter. "Scientists from Washington"? We know one Nobel laureate, a hereditary madman. What other fusion? Chatter 200%.

[Letterksi]

Over the past 60 years, there have been hundreds of these enthusiasms about thermonuclear fusion.

[lotar]

In my opinion at the moment, few people know which option for installing a thermonuclear reaction is better and more effective. Those options that are now known probably do not represent a hundredth of their possible constructive options. The fact that in the future thermonuclear energy will be an important component does not cause me no doubt. The only thing that worries me is that I see thermonuclear as a strategic resource and no one will part with it. So there are still a lot of questions, one of which is related to the fact that the American very effectively to promote their development, but the final product is often not consistent with their stated capacity.

[gridasov]

There is an ancient as light saying of an eastern sage without a name. "Europeans will never understand the depths of human wisdom, because their goal is not to know the truth, but vanity." He who strives for truth recognizes everything and everyone in the agreement of unity. Therefore, there are many ideas, but they are all at the same level of fundamental knowledge. So you need to dive deeper. The Americans are too pragmatic and commercialized to sink to such depths. Of course, they can buy and attract the mind from the outside better than others.

[Mountain shooter]

Gentlemen - this is a "wunderwaffle" of gigantic size. Russia will be bred for money. The main problem of thermonuclear fusion of the deuterium - tritium cycle is that a large part of the energy in the reaction is carried away by 17 MeV neutrons. And the flux of these neutrons, which convert all materials around into isotopes, sometimes very unpleasant, must be converted into heat. The idea was to surround the reactor with 238 uranium, with the production of plutonium in it, and then "burn" this plutonium in the reactors of conventional nuclear power plants. This is a dirty business, and fast neutron reactors are well developed, they are much cheaper, and they do the same.
Go to the helium-3 reaction - hydrogen, which does not emit neutrons - you need to find the source of this helium-3.

[valokordin]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Go to the helium-3 reaction - hydrogen, which does not emit neutrons - you need to find the source of this helium-3.

They said that there is on the moon. We will fly, or rather we will get and we will have cheap thermonuclear fusion. And Gridasov’s comments are very interesting. It provides information on the technical side, which our political experts have no idea about, and if so, their statements are simply stupid.

[Kuts]

Citizen Gridasov DOES NOT "give information from the technical side", but "scratches on the ears" with a set of words and phrases: "... Inductance is a combination of forces expressed by magnetic force processes and determined by the measure and vector of longitudinal force and spin ... The magnetic permeability of the core is actually the same systemic processes, but based on the structural properties of materials at the level of the crystal lattice ... In an extreme case, you must at least understand that the radial radiation of the entire scale can and should be converted into longitudinal-linear. And it is clear why ... "
"... due to the internal crystal structure, magnetic fluxes create variable areas of compression and expansion. This leads to a disturbance impulse, which is transmitted in the form of those fractal disturbances that correspond to these local zones and determine alpha, gamma, wetta and other radiation. That is, there are perturbation boundaries, which means the radiation scale. BUT !!! There is also a radiation vector. And it is radial to each structural part of the surface of the radioactive material. So all this scattered component of radiation can and should be and there is a methodology of how to send to one vector.That is, if you take a rod or a more optimal shape and create a potential difference in it due to the internal directed potential energy, and not due to the external applied one, then you can get a directed flux or current generated by this radioactive radiation flux ... "
Comrade iConst (1) "correctly expresses feelings" What? belay

[gridasov]

In general and directly, you can imagine that when you are standing on the street and another person is standing in front of you, you are communicating primarily with the environment, in the form of those reciprocal disturbances by the magnetic force flows of each level. The properties of the environment allow us to perceive everything that is permissible for us. That is, such disturbances that cause the ability of visual perception, acoustic, and all the rest, up to those that almost no one knows how to own. You communicate with the environment of the property, which can convey a complex of individual qualities of one and the other. You are in contact through physical properties formed by magnetic interactions. But no one wants to see this with the mind and imagination. Therefore, communicating with the narrowly limited possibilities of inconsistent terminological concepts, I personally limit my potential to what can be said and what is not worth it. Be more tolerant.

[user237]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Gentlemen - this is a "wunderwaffle" of gigantic size. Russia will be bred for money. The main problem of thermonuclear fusion of the deuterium - tritium cycle is that a large part of the energy in the reaction is carried away by 17 MeV neutrons.

Boron thermonuclear reaction shows unexpectedly encouraging result

“All conventional fusion schemes provide for the fusion of deuterium and tritium to produce helium nuclei, however in this way, high-energy neutrons inevitably arise, which can damage almost all known materials, which can be used to build a thermonuclear reactor. And, of course, to make them radioactive, which subsequently will require the burial of all this stuff.

The scheme of the thermonuclear reaction on boron is different. Protons accelerated by lasers and striking a boron target generate helium nuclei without neutrons. This alone makes boron extremely interesting for practical fusion reactors, and the cost of boron and the same tritium-deuterium are generally difficult to compare, so the first one is cheaper. ”
http://compulenta.computerra.ru/veshestvo/fizika/10009406/

[gridasov]

Everything is fine, only you need to create a negotiable or at least a process for the delivery and withdrawal of transformation products. This is where problems arise. Successive transformations of tritium, helium and hydrogen, etc., need and can be carried out so quickly and without leaving the process for accumulation and redistribution that it would be harmonious and natural.

[gridasov]

It is possible and there are all the rationales to consider such a reactor, which is based not on chemical interactions in a relatively static organized process, but on the creation of a really physically dynamic process, in which, as I already mentioned, it is possible to achieve an extremely high interaction rate of virtually any substance. Understand that for the combination of substances in any physical state, up to liquids and gases, it is impossible to combine them or enter into interaction in the entire volume at the same time. But!!! This can be done very simply. Therefore, it does not matter whether boron and potassium or the search for other variations and combinations a person will look for. You can simply take two substances in different phase states and combine in a relatively stable state, for example, liquid or gaseous substances, and then simply "blow them up in their entirety." Both the inflow of a new batch and the withdrawal of transformed substances are provided.

[Alex]

About thermonuclear reactions on boron atoms wrote more "Technology for the youth" in the years that way in the seventies and eighties. From a scientific point of view, it is very amusing, from a practical point of view, it is completely unpromising. And what goes with the release of energy - this is always the case for light nuclei (nucleosynthesis). First, a lot of energy, then less, in the iron region - zero, then - with absorption. But this does not mean that any such reaction can be considered as the basis for energy.

[I think so]

Such "projects" during the attempts to curb the fusion were the SEA AND AN EVEN SMALL TROLLEY ... And they all ended in NOTHING, or even a SHAME for the "innovators" ... I think this project is from the same opera ... Usually in the AUTUMN, in addition to aggravation among schizophrenics, BUDGETS are also divided into research, and therefore all kinds of "projects of the century", "projects of the millennium", etc. appear at this time. But after that and THIS will allocate money, THEY WILL RELIEF and, having mastered it, they will say that THE BUDGET IS LITTLE, ALMOST ENOUGH, otherwise everything WOULD BE PERFECTED ...

[opus]

Quote: Author Yuferev Sergey

In St. Petersburg, will present the project of a thermonuclear reactor of the future

after reading I was delighted ...
reading further about UW USA in St. Petersburg, I thought a joke
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Actually, the author "weakly" revealed the "latest" technology

Quote: Author Yuferev Sergey

a fusion reactor project that will be cheaper than modern coal-fired power plants. This project was developed by scientists from the University of Washington (UW).

Let me chew a little
The concept of a "new type of fusion reactor ... a pilot plant called HIT-SI3."
The bottom line:
1.HIT-SI3 named in UW by Dynomak technology
2. Dynomak is one of the options for a spherical tokamak (spheromak - high-β spheromak reactor),BUT used asymmetric fieldso the plasma should not be unstableto create current.
This approach is implemented by a group of Thomas Jarbo

The experimental setup of the University of Washington. ABOUTon really small.

+ (know -how) molten salt (FLiBe) is used in the 1 circuit of the wall cooling system, to slow down neutrons and tritium.

3.What is Spheromak: The approach is based on the helicity of the magnetic field in the plasma inside the injection device

Plasma spirals create asymmetric currents generating the necessary electric and magnetic fields, which, on the one hand, are heated, and on the other, they are held (without an external magnetic field) the contents of the spiral arms.

[opus]

4.Dynomak: Researchers have used what they call a dynamo-current superimposed drive (imposed-dynamo current drive (IS CD). The device has two coils for alternating generating current on each side of the central core of the apparatus. The constant use of a changing direction of current emergence removes the problem of maintaining stability.

Plasma retention is carried out by internal magnetic spiral structures formed in the plasma itself.
The problem remains:
the installation created at the University of Washington is simply small, therefore, part of the plasma is forced to be ejected in the form of gas.

Details
http://www.washington.edu/news/2012/10/11/mug-handles-could-help-hot-plasma-give

-lower-cost-controllable-fusion-energy /

illustrations by T. Jarboe / Univ. of Washington.

[gridasov]

Let it be known that plasma is the magnetic force fluxes. Plasma is always a loop closure process. It can be of very different potential levels and always has a key property ... I would say that breakdown or plasma breakdown is a turbulent state of magnetic force flows. Therefore, the expression "magnetic field in plasma" is somewhat incorrect. And as a spiral, so it is in general. Further . Spirals in plasma create asymmetric currents, and generate electricity. magnetic fields. This is absolutely no responsible statement. Just a collection of words. And the last thing. The general scheme of SPHEROMAK itself can be considered and this is a fact, like a torus. But you need to understand that a torus is a derivative of a sphere, etc. BUT !!! again, it follows from the photo that the methods of creating local areas with the highest energy density cannot be achieved in this way. That is why it is so important to find solutions to fundamental unsolved problems. And they are. Space is not emptiness, it is, first of all, a system of interaction of magnetic force currents and what they form among themselves, as fractal formations in the form of materially perceived objects and not materialized ones.

[opus]

Quote: gridasov

Let it be known that plasma is magnetic force flows

1. Plasma is the 4 aggregate state of matter (if I have not forgotten anything)
2. An important feature of a plasma is its quasineutrality (despite the presence of free charges (electrons and ions), the total electric charge of the plasma is approximately equal to zero.)
3.Magnetically active plasma - plasma placed into an external magnetic field

“Plasma in a magnetic field” - “Schoolfilm” 1970

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PROGRAM-MINIMUM of the candidate exam in the specialty 01.04.08 [Plasma Physics] in the physical, mathematical, chemical and technical sciences
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4. Dynamics of charged particles
in electric and magnetic fields
Movement in crossed electric and magnetic fields. Drift approach, varieties of drift movement. A charged particle in a high-frequency field. The concept of adiabatic invariant.

5. Magnetic hydrodynamics of plasma
Equations of plasma motion in a magnetic field, penetration of a magnetic field into a plasma, freezing of a magnetic field. Conservation laws in ideal single-fluid MHD. Two-fluid approximation.
6. Plasma instability
Equilibrium plasma configurations in magnetic hydrodynamics, pinch. Plasma instability, types of instability, overheating and ionization instabilities. The energy principle of MHD stability.
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[gridasov]

Isn't it hard to live in other people's fantasies?

[Denis 60 rus]

while there is oil and gas, corporations really do not want to see such a free energy in practice. Well, they really don’t want to. it would be great of course if it turned out, the contamination of the ball would decrease.

[news]

where is our tokomak?

[Yurrra.]

Here is an excellent series of articles on alternative energy - http://pro-vladimir.livejournal.com/3405.html
and here it is - http://pro-vladimir.livejournal.com/62222.html

[Svetlana]

in a dynamo, particle injectors create a quasi-powerless configuration of a toroidal-poloidal magnetic field. more information about the dynamo: http://fire.pppl.gov/FPA13_sutherland_dynamo.pdf
they use magnetic coils on warm superconductors yttrium-barium-copper-oxygen.

[gridasov]

Let me say that it is worth changing the analysis disposition from that. that something is flying somewhere, and even more so such nonsense as such as "particle injectors create ....... a magnetic field configuration." If we are considering a particle, then it has a dimension, which means it has its own system of magnetic force fluxes. This means that in the torus or in the hollow part of the sphere, magnetic fluxes can be part of what is always less than the smallest particle. Ie, you will always be biased in the analysis. Therefore, returning to what we started. It is necessary to consider the concept of not flying a particle. but space filled with particles and in which momentum is transmitted not by the kinetic energy of flight. and the potential energy is spin. "Nobody wanted to give up their place to anyone"

[Svetlana]

you are right, it is not the particles that inject, but the magnetic flux that is injected with special magnetic coils (located in the equatorial plane) with an alternating current frequency of 14.5 kHz - they pump a toroidal-poloidal magnetic field in the plasma volume. But particles can also amplify the toroidal-poloidal magnetic field in plasma spheromac.

[Yurrra.]

Here is an excellent series of articles on alternative energy - http://pro-vladimir.livejournal.com/3405.html
and here it is - http://pro-vladimir.livejournal.com/62222.html

[voyaka uh]

Something is pecking with the problematic "cold fusion".
It flashed in the press that the military giant "Lockheed Martin" is going
demonstrate your prototype compact reactor.
They have been buying patents and developments for ten years.
areas and test in their laboratories.

[Severbob]

they are all safe - one Chernobyl ulcer

[Prager]

whatever they design from such things - safety is above all!

[gridasov]

I would say - process control should be absolute

[deepdivertech]

Guided Nuclear Fusion: http://nuclearfusion.narod.ru

[gridasov]

It is sometimes thought that I went crazy alone. It turns out there are still such people. This is already comforting.

[Svetlana]

Lockheed Martin introduces a compact nuclear fusion reactor. A plasma of this reactor can generate a toroidal poloidal magnetic field of a spherical configuration using thermo-emfs from neutral beams directed along the generatrices of a single-cavity hyperboloid of revolution and possibly along the axis of the reactor. To generate a toroidal-poloidal magnetic field In the plasma of this compact nuclear fusion reactor, similarly directed beams of electromagnetic microwave radiation from gyrotrons can also be used, introduced from the side of the stronger magnetic field of the external superconducting coils. The intrinsic toroidal-poloidal magnetic field in the plasma of the reactor arises due to the absorption of beam energy in the plasma of the reactor, more precisely because of the non-collinearity of the electron density gradient vector and the temperature gradient vector in the reactor plasma magnetized by a toroidal-poloidal magnetic field. It seems that the use of neutral beams is still cheaper than microwave gyrotrons.