Military Review

GM94 - Russian pump-action grenade launcher with a moving barrel.

89


Description.
The GM-94 multipurpose grenade launcher was developed in the Tula Instrument Design Bureau at the beginning of the 1990-s. The main purpose of the new weapons Providing fire support for infantry in the conditions of close combat, especially in the city, as well as conducting police special operations, designed to destroy manpower in urban areas, basements, fortifications, folds of the terrain and in the mountains; damage lightly armored vehicles; creating smoke screens and fires. Especially for GM-94, a whole range of 43-mm unitary shots was developed, including high-explosive shatter-proof grenades, tear gas grenades, and rubber bullet shots. Of particular interest are high-explosive ammunition having thermobaric equipment with a high specific gravity of explosive to the mass of the shot. This is achieved through the use of a plastic grenade body. Such an unusual decision was made to ensure the safe use of a grenade launcher at minimum ranges, excluding the shooter being hit by shrapnel from his own grenade. The damage zone of the enemy's manpower by the high-explosive effect (shock wave, high temperature) of the thermobaric charge has a radius of up to 3 meters, and the minimum (conditionally) safe shooting distance is only 5 meters. The mass of thermobaric (high-explosive) grenades VGM-93 is about 250 g, of which 160 g fall on the explosive charge. The initial grenade speed of the order of 85 m / s.
It was designed to arm the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

GM94 - Russian pump-action grenade launcher with a moving barrel.


Device.
According to the device, the grenade launcher is a magazine weapon with pump reloading with the help of a barrel moving back and forth. A tubular magazine containing three grenades is located above the barrel. To recharge it on the upper surface of the receiver made charging window, covered with a hinged lid. The mirror of the bolt is motionless, the coupling of the barrel moving forward with the bolt is provided by two hooks on the sides of the breech breech. Release of spent cartridges carried down. Trigger mechanism self-cocking. On the left side of the receiver is a flag fuse. Folded shoulder rest serves as a handle for carrying a grenade launcher. The stock can be metal, foldable upwards, or a fixed skeletal structure made of plastic.
For shooting from GM-93 / 94 the following types of grenades are used: high-explosive, thermobaric, cumulative, fragmentation, lighting, gas, signal, marker with a rubber element.

Features:
Caliber, mm: 43
Mass not gear. rocket launcher, kg: 5,0
Store capacity, shots: 3 — 4
Initial grenade speed, m / s: 100
Aim range of shooting, m: 75, 150, 300
Maximum shooting range, m: 600



Author:
Originator:
https://vk.com/armed_forces?w=wall-12779085_1507578
89 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Lopatov
    Lopatov 11 October 2014 08: 56
    +5
    GM-94 granotometr as a mobile avalanche tool

    1. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 11 October 2014 16: 44
      +3
      For some reason, I immediately thought about the Soviet fighters who bravely fought with the Edelweiss rangers in the Caucasus ... How this handsome man would help them. (Maybe this is said in the plot? I watch without sound). hi
      1. ICT
        ICT 11 October 2014 17: 45
        +2
        Quote: Prapor-527
        (Maybe this is stated in the plot? I look without sound).


        well, that the general meaning of the main conversations is higher, to the left or right, well, and lower, respectively
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 11 October 2014 18: 32
          +1
          I understood the general meaning of the conversation. I wanted to ask, not упоминается about what I said above? probably used the word "said" unsuccessfully. hi
    2. Vittt
      Vittt 12 October 2014 00: 06
      +1
      Quote: Spade
      GM-94 granotometr as a mobile avalanche tool


      Mr. Lopatov, why is GM-94 my favorite weapon in Far Cry 3 for me?
  2. avt
    avt 11 October 2014 10: 04
    +8
    Very nice sample !! And the design is beautifully executed from an engineering point of view, and even outwardly quite handsome! A wonderful example of the Tula school of gunsmiths!
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 11 October 2014 15: 13
      +4
      Quote: avt
      Very nice sample !! And the design is beautifully executed from an engineering point of view, and even outwardly quite handsome! A wonderful example of the Tula school of gunsmiths!

      The idea is normal, but the performance is in the style of "collected from what was." Ammunition is certainly more powerful than FOGs from conventional grenade launchers, but everything is spoiled by the barrel itself. Very hard to recharge, charging is not the best option either. The design is based on the design of the RMB with all its shortcomings, with the worst performance. When shooting, this is generally a special perversion. Broken hands and bruised cheekbones are common for inexperienced shooters. Quite frequent misfires ...
      1. avt
        avt 11 October 2014 15: 27
        0
        Quote: Timeout
        . Very heavy reloading, charging is also not the best option. Based on the design of the RMB with all its shortcomings, with the worst performance. When shooting, this is generally a special perversion. Downed hands and broken cheekbones in the inexperienced shooter are commonplace. Quite frequent misfires ...

        request Two main points - a habit acquired by training, BUT! Unfortunately, as always, the quality of execution of the weapons themselves. A trouble that can’t be fixed soon. To invent, draw and make a sample, even fit it as it should, is possible. But here it comes to production for the series and here is the easiest thing - the whining of a technologist that it’s too difficult, it doesn’t happen and it won’t work, but it turns out on the condition that the person knows his business and isn’t the number that is serving, and when everything falls into the old machine park, yes I’m gouging out whose hands are not sharpened to the point, and in general do not care - just to get out of work as soon as possible .... In general, the thought comes - but what for do I have it all?
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 11 October 2014 15: 49
          +4
          Quote: avt
          In general, the thought comes - and what for is all this to me?

          You can argue a lot, but the child is stillborn. For the Ministry of Internal Affairs, perhaps it is normal. But for the troops ... Especially with such a range of ammunition:

          1. avt
            avt 11 October 2014 17: 19
            +2
            Quote: Timeout
            For the Ministry of Internal Affairs, perhaps it is normal. But for the troops ...

            Well, as far as I know, there was an order for it from the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 11 October 2014 17: 35
              +4
              Quote: avt
              Well, as far as I know, there was an order for it from the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

              Initially, there was no order at all. In those years, everything was just pollination. The bureau pretended to be developing, the customers pretended to pay. Initially, requests came from Vympel.
      2. user237
        user237 11 October 2014 16: 59
        +2
        Timeout, could you answer?
        Is the high-explosive impact of the GM-94 thermobaric grenade enough to guarantee the destruction of man in the open?

        With this in mind:
        The pressure of the blast wave in the immediate vicinity of the charge is as high as possible, but as it moves away from the source of the explosion, the pressure drops rapidly. So, with an air blast of explosives weighing 5 kg (TNT), the pressure at a distance of 0.5 m is 55745 kPa; 1 m - 7646 kPa; 2.5 m - 650 kPa; 5.0 m - 127 kPa, 7 m - 62 kPa (Nechaev E.A. et al., 1994).

        Field surgery of local wars and armed conflicts. Guide for doctors
        Edited by E. K. Gumanenko, I. M. Samokhvalova

        Classification of the severity of manpower damage under the influence of an air shock wave of non-nuclear munitions (pressure {ΔP} in kPa)
        1. user237
          user237 11 October 2014 17: 07
          +1
          Timeout, how effective are these hand grenades?

          Manual thermobaric grenade RG-60TB
          Purpose:
          The 60-mm RG-60TB 7-mm hand-held thermobaric assault grenade is intended for combined destruction of manpower, in openly located terrain in various types of shelters, behind natural local shelters, in closed buildings and engineering structures, within a radius of up to XNUMX meters.

          Features:

          Diameter, mm, no more than 62,3
          Length, mm, no more than 175
          Weight, kg, no more than 0,41
          The mass of the filler / T. E / kg, not less than 0,5
          Temperature range of application, ° С ± 50

          1. Timeout
            Timeout 12 October 2014 08: 18
            +1
            Quote: user237
            Timeout, how effective are these hand grenades?

            Significantly more effective than grenades from GM-94, at least a defeat in the declared zone of 100%, the mass of the active substance is greater than in GM.
        2. Timeout
          Timeout 11 October 2014 17: 14
          +1
          Quote: user237
          Is the high-explosive impact of the GM-94 thermobaric grenade enough to guarantee the destruction of man in the open?

          I will say from personal experience. Undermining the usual RGD-5 5-7 meters away from you will not cause you any explosive injuries other than fragmentation (in 50% of cases). Since VGM93-100 has a clear anti-terrorism purpose, the injuries belong to the lungs, rupture of the tympanic membranes or moderate seizures. At least there were no corpses from them, if the explosion was not right underfoot.
      3. user237
        user237 11 October 2014 17: 05
        +2
        Shooting from the GM-94.
        watch from 10:30
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 October 2014 10: 24
    +1
    The solid caliber and weight of the grenade is distinct. Used in combat? Does he have a high-explosive and cumulative grenade?
    In the fighting in the city should be good, as it allows firing from enclosed spaces.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 11 October 2014 10: 50
      +2
      For shooting from GM-93 / 94 the following types of grenades are used: high-explosive, thermobaric, cumulative, fragmentation, lighting, gas, signal, marker with a rubber element.
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 October 2014 15: 11
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Used in combat?


      1. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 11 October 2014 17: 00
        +3
        They work great, harmoniously. But I liked the guy who at the end of the plot brought a couple of RPGs (RPOs), it looks like he was tired of this "carousel". laughing
        1. Des10
          Des10 11 October 2014 17: 29
          +2
          and brought - like grenades in a string bag.
          1. Prapor-527
            Prapor-527 11 October 2014 17: 46
            +4
            Quote: Des10
            like grenades in a string bag.
            "Semyon Semyonich" ...
            1. Massik
              Massik 11 October 2014 20: 22
              +1
              One all the time he is kissing something, the second beats offhand. It can be seen that work is underway.
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 11 October 2014 21: 45
            +1
            Quote: Des10
            and brought - like grenades in a string bag.


            A string bag is a universal thing good , it’s fashionable to move anything in it. fellow
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 11 October 2014 21: 38
          0
          I see that at the expense of the border of controversy ... winked I like him repeat

          10 second.

        4. Bayonet
          Bayonet 12 October 2014 05: 13
          0
          Quote: Prapor-527
          But I liked the guy who at the end of the plot brought a couple of RPGs (RPOs), it looks like he was tired of this "carousel".

          Yes, but it would be better if he brought Bumblebee!
          1. Sabroc
            Sabroc 12 October 2014 14: 54
            0
            You can’t use a bumblebee there, it’s too close already, and sometimes carcasses are not needed, but also as an option the narrator from that side.
  4. Vadim237
    Vadim237 11 October 2014 10: 57
    +2
    This grenade launcher also needs combined cumulative-fragmentation, incendiary, high-explosive armor-piercing shots.
    1. ICT
      ICT 11 October 2014 11: 06
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      high-explosive armor-piercing.


      Do we have this type of ammunition?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 11 October 2014 11: 19
        +1
        Quote: TIT
        Do we have this type of ammunition?

        And for the first time I hear "cumulative fragmentation" ... What is this for?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 11 October 2014 11: 33
          +2
          There are also such generalists. For example, aviation NURSs.
        2. ICT
          ICT 11 October 2014 11: 36
          +4
          s-5co (nurs)
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 October 2014 16: 01
          +2
          It affects not only the equipment but the people sitting on the armor or going under the cover of armor
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 11 October 2014 11: 41
        +3
        Quote: TIT
        Do we have this type of ammunition?

        We have not heard, they were not taken into a separate category. In general, there are such. The second name is "semi-armor-piercing". They occupy an intermediate position between high-explosive fragmentation and armor-piercing caliber. As far as I know, common as shells for Western automatic cannons

        In the ammunition format for this grenade launcher, it is hardly possible to create such, the initial speed is too low.
        1. ICT
          ICT 11 October 2014 11: 57
          +1
          asked around here the "expert" lol It turns out that no one besides the British bothered
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 11 October 2014 12: 06
            +1
            http://www.gd-ots.com/MCA_25mm_PGU32.html

            In general, as far as I heard, they came from naval artillery.
            1. ICT
              ICT 11 October 2014 12: 10
              +1
              it’s not that, armor-piercing incendiary, it is understandable, and in principle and in kind I saw the same

              but I just found out about such
              as usual type first link

              Well, it's easier



              A shot with an armor-piercing high-explosive shell for the 105-mm gun L7


        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 October 2014 16: 12
          0
          It’s even possible to imagine this 43-millimeter shell with a hemispherical head recess behind the recess, the TG 50 explosive, and steel balls three millimeters in diameter in the explosive, when the charge explodes, it will generate not only an impact core but also a fragmentation jacket at the same time.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 12 October 2014 05: 18
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            will generate not only the impact core but the fragmentation shirt at the same time.

            What for? If you work on armor, where are the balls, on the gophers?
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 11 October 2014 11: 21
      +1
      This grenade launcher must first enter the troops. New ammunition for him, the thing is already secondary.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 11 October 2014 11: 52
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        This grenade launcher must first enter the troops. New ammunition for him, the thing is already secondary.


        And how much is he needed in the army? What are the scenarios of its application in your opinion?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 11 October 2014 12: 14
          +1
          Settlements. For example, his thermobaric shot (VGM 93.100) breaks a wall into a brick floor with a safe removal border of only 5 meters. And take on board the BTR-80
          Smoke is generally a song.
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 11 October 2014 12: 31
            +1
            And is it necessary to do all this with the help of this grenade launcher? And carry it 5 kg of weight, which is still a lot. Plus an additional range of ammunition.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 11 October 2014 13: 56
              +1
              Quote: IS-80
              And is it necessary to do all this with the help of this grenade launcher? And carry it 5 kg of weight, which is still a lot.

              Yes. This is the best option. Achieving such results using grenade launchers is possible only through expensive dances with tambourines.

              Quote: IS-80
              Plus an additional range of ammunition.

              Four more types with dozens needed for motorized rifle mouths are trifles. To one ancient RPG-7, for its effective use, 4 types of ammunition are needed.
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 11 October 2014 15: 41
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Achieving such results using grenade launchers is possible only through expensive dances with tambourines.


                Hmmm, what are the difficulties? At first glance, use the same 43 mm grenades and is that all or is there something else?

                Quote: Spade
                Four more types with dozens needed for motorized rifle mouths are trifles. To one ancient RPG-7, for its effective use, 4 types of ammunition are needed.


                Well, for you it can be trifles, but for someone it can’t, these trifles still cost money. smile
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 11 October 2014 16: 17
                  0
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Hmmm, what are the difficulties?

                  Judging by the grenade launchers in service, they are clearly there. Grenades are not very powerful and unreliable.


                  Quote: IS-80
                  Well, for you it may be trifles, but for someone it’s not.

                  For whom?
                  1. IS-80
                    IS-80 11 October 2014 17: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    Judging by the grenade launchers in service, they are clearly there. Grenades are not very powerful and unreliable.


                    Well, that sounds pretty dubious. And, as I understand it, only your guesses?

                    Quote: Spade
                    For whom?


                    Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation.
            2. garpastum75
              garpastum75 11 October 2014 14: 24
              +2
              Yes. A grenade launcher with such a weapon is also a full-fledged shooter having also an automatic rifle.
              1. Nikoha.2010
                Nikoha.2010 12 October 2014 08: 18
                0
                Quote: garpastum75
                Yes. A grenade launcher with such a weapon is also a full-fledged shooter having also an automatic rifle.

                So sure and like that!
          2. Timeout
            Timeout 11 October 2014 15: 41
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Settlements. For example, his thermobaric shot (VGM 93.100) breaks a wall into a brick floor with a safe removal border of only 5 meters. And take on board the BTR-80
            Smoke is generally a song.

            Most often a grenade explodes from a blow against a wall (the wall does not suffer at all). The energy of a grenade is approximately 900 kdzh. BTR does not take! Since the body of the grenade is plastic and collapses from impact (but enough to create a suspension).
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 11 October 2014 16: 12
              +3
              Quote: Timeout
              but enough to create a suspension

              The grenade is thermobaric, no "suspension" is formed. A two-stroke (with the formation of a cloud) volumetric explosion ammunition in such a caliber and with such a weight cannot be made.
              By his action, I read.

              I agree that his ammunition is not army. Thermobaric, fragmentation, smoke and lighting are required. But anyway it will be better than a grenade launcher.
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 11 October 2014 16: 25
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Push-pull (with cloud formation) ammunition

                It can not be called at all, the RG-60TB is taken as the basis. There is a bang from it, but mostly not lethal, it contains 100% aluminum powder and a polyethylene glycol odor you will not confuse with anything. Fragmented by impact below conventional FOGs ...
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 11 October 2014 16: 34
                  0
                  Quote: Timeout
                  as a part there is 100% aluminum powder and polyethylene glycol the smell cannot be confused with anything

                  Well, this is a one-stroke. That is, pre-clouds do not form

                  As for the rest, I think in such a caliber the creation of normal combat ammunition is quite feasible. In perspective, an electronic remote fuse, air blasting.
                  1. Timeout
                    Timeout 11 October 2014 16: 47
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade
                    in such a caliber, the creation of normal military ammunition is quite feasible.

                    I will not argue, there are plenty of ideas since the 60s. And ours followed the path of least resistance (took the M-406 as a basis), it’s still shit. Let's see, maybe they will change their minds. And if you think about new explosives like the American AM-99 or our vehicle, this can be done in a smaller caliber.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 11 October 2014 19: 10
                      +2
                      I would have made marker ammunition. Colored smoke during the day, IR radiation at night. For the pixi. And then they always can not explain what they need. But tracers aiming to mark is also not a very smart solution.
                      1. Timeout
                        Timeout 12 October 2014 08: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        I would have made marker ammunition. Colored smoke during the day, IR radiation at night. For the pixi. And then they always can not explain what they need. But tracers aiming to mark is also not a very smart solution.

                        I fully support! With target designation, we always have byada ..... Well, you also didn’t bother with more AR stations to observe the markers!
        2. garpastum75
          garpastum75 11 October 2014 14: 21
          +3
          He is. He is in the arsenal of the special forces of the VV and the FSB. The thing is necessary for the Ministry of Defense, in particular in battles for settlements
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 11 October 2014 16: 29
            +1
            Quote: garpastum75
            Special Forces BB and FSB

            You are not to confuse the tasks of the special forces of the BB and the FSB with the special forces of the GRU of the General Staff of the Republic of Armenia or simply of the Armenian armed forces. Quite different tasks ...
  5. korol yasheriz
    korol yasheriz 11 October 2014 11: 00
    0
    The gun is what you need
  6. gross kaput
    gross kaput 11 October 2014 11: 44
    0
    Article minus - in fact, this is not an article but an altered advertising brochure with a minimum of information, but under which the "author" did not hesitate to put his signature.
    1. ICT
      ICT 11 October 2014 11: 51
      +1
      Quote: gross kaput
      Article minus

      Well, why are we all SO creating news in one way or another, in the article description and performance characteristics plus a few photos, in the commentary of the video with his shootings

      to represent the concept of what kind of weapon is quite enough
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 11 October 2014 19: 30
        0
        Which news is 20 years old? Nu-nu, here it’s time to write a historical monograph, but for you this is still news. belay
  7. Yarik
    Yarik 11 October 2014 13: 13
    +1
    This grenade launcher also needs combined cumulative-fragmentation, incendiary, high-explosive armor-piercing shots.


    With an initial speed of 95 m / s, it seems strange to me to talk about "armor-piercing". Fragmentation, high-explosive, cumulative, smoke, chemical is probably a promising field of application.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 11 October 2014 14: 28
      +2
      Quote: Yarik
      With an initial speed of 95 m / s, talking about "armor-piercing" seems strange to me.

      Well, as it were, for a classic high-explosive armor-piercing projectile, the initial velocity is not strong and critical, and is characterized by the minimum necessary to flatten the warhead and smear explosives over the largest possible area of ​​armor, only the amount of explosives in a shot for a GM is clearly not enough to create a more or less adequate armor-piercing -high-explosive ammunition, and in my opinion, he doesn’t need cumulative ammunition for the same reason - his lot is purely "infantry" functions - fragmentation, thermobaric, chemical.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 October 2014 16: 29
      0
      95 speeds for a shot with a lanthanum impact core and caliber 43 is more than enough for an armor-piercing gun - it will take 9-10 cm of armor with a bang.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 11 October 2014 16: 39
        0
        For such armor penetration is not worth bothering. It's easier to rivet a disposable grenade launcher with anti-mass.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 October 2014 18: 39
          +2
          For armored personnel protection and armored penetration, it’s enough, and making a disposable grenade launcher for these purposes is not advisable if such a 43 mm shot would cost thousands and a half rubles, then a grenade launcher would be about ten or fifteen thousand, all the more we are already record holders for varieties of disposable grenade launchers and flamethrowers.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 11 October 2014 19: 20
            0
            Disposable with anti-mass. To shoot from the premises. And other advantages of the GM-94 over a simple and cheap "fly" in terms of fighting someone else's "armor", I just don't see the word.
      2. gross kaput
        gross kaput 11 October 2014 17: 14
        0
        The subtlest knowledge in the subject!
        Firstly, a full-fledged shock core is formed only when detonated at a distance no closer than a few calibers from the obstacle - i.e. the fuse must be remote, and secondly, the impact core beats a cumulative projectile of the same caliber in range of damage to an object (up to tens or even hundreds of meters) but loses in penetration - for a modern kuma, the penetration rate is up to 6 calibers and penetration rarely exceeds one caliber and an average of 0,5 caliber for copper and 1 caliber for tantalum and other rare earth crap, but it’s not enough to break through armor, put a rustle behind the armor, but with this, all small-caliber cumulative-nuclear crackers are very bad.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 11 October 2014 17: 24
          +1
          Quote: gross kaput
          0,5 gauge for copper and 1 gauge for tantalum and other rare earth crap, but it’s not enough to break through armor, put a rustle behind the armor, but with this, all small-caliber cumulative-nuclear crackers are very bad.


          Dear, do not distort. Quotation from the textbook for the Higher School of Economics
          The impact core (UY) in the form of a pestle is formed during the explosion of any cumulative charge with a metal lining, but the mass and energy of the pestle itself depend on the angle of the lining of the lining. For the formation of full-fledged impact cores, the angles of the facing of more than 100 degrees or the spherical shape of the facing are used, with the thickness of the facing significantly greater than the thickness of the facing of the cumulative charge for the action of the cumulative jet.

          If in a normal cumulative charge the pestle has about 75% of the weight of the lining, then in a charge with a shock core the pestle (that is, the impact core) has up to 95% of the weight of the lining. Unlike a cumulative jet that preserves relative armor penetration over dozens of initial charge diameters, the shock core maintains its speed at a distance of thousands of initial charge diameters.
          After compression (collapse of the lining), the pestle has a diameter of about a quarter of the diameter of the initial charge and a length of about one diameter (that is, has an elongated shape). The speed of the pestle (i.e., the impact core) is about 2,5 km / s, (in some designs and 3,5-5,0 km / s), significantly exceeding the speed of the BPS.
          In this case, the armor penetration of the shock core extends to tens, up to hundreds of meters and several more. The penetration resistance of the impact core on steel armor can reach values ​​of 0,4-0,6 from the initial diameter of the lining (about the diameter (caliber) of the cumulative charge) at distances of tens of meters. According to empirical relations, the armor penetration of an AU (determined by the thickness of a steel armor) is half the diameter of its charge in the manufacture of a charge lining for an AU from copper or iron, and one charge diameter with a tantalum lining. In this case, the armor penetration of a typical cumulative charge is at least six charge diameters. Effective for destruction, the speed of the shock nucleus drops rapidly, so the shock nucleus is delivered by the carrier, and can also be used as a mine or destructive charge.

          And the concept of armor penetration is an empirical one. 1995, 81 SME tanks, losses from TM-83, 4 cars from defeat in the cheekbone or side of the tower on the fly. Look for the thickness of the armor yourself.
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput 11 October 2014 19: 56
            0
            Well so and in what I distorted? What is the lens diameter of a TM83? Anything more than 100 mm visually 200 millimeters is obtained, but the manufacturer guaranteed 100 mm breakage at a distance of 5 to 50 m and this is with a charge of 9,6 kg TG 40/60, but the oldest grenade for RPG 7 is PG-7V with a caliber of 83 mm and a common a grenade mass of 2,2 kg pierces 260mm.
            Therefore, where it is necessary to ensure the range of destruction (self-aiming elements, anti-aircraft anti-aircraft mines against the target, anti-aircraft mines) they use UY to ensure defeat to the roof or to the side, but where it is not needed (RPGs, anti-tank missiles designed for direct hit) shock the core didn’t take root there with its penetration much more preferable.
            Now, with regard to the distance of education of UY, an ancient scan from the American advertising brochure clearly demonstrates the phases and distance of education of this
            PS By the way, if you carefully read your copy-paste from the wiki, you will find that it’s what they are talking about, only you need to read out the meaning and not just look for familiar words.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 11 October 2014 22: 33
              0
              the armor penetration of the TM 83 at a distance of fifty meters is 400 millimeters of armor; the tank t 72 penetrated into the flight for departure from a distance of fifteen meters and was greatly underestimated in the general strike core, and now it was time last year in one of our institutes to create a new lining and construction of such charge, the tests showed armor penetration of 8,7 caliber. And the problem of remote detonation has already been solved.
              1. gross kaput
                gross kaput 12 October 2014 03: 15
                0
                Ingenious! In the mine manual, 100 mm is indicated at a distance of 5 to 50 meters, but a friend with the nickname Vadim 237 forced her to pierce as much as 4 times more! laughing
                I applaud while standing!
                Especially for Vadim
                TTX ammunition on the principle of UYA
                anti-aircraft mines
                TM 83 - 100mm charge weight 9,6 kg
                M93 HORNET - 90 mm mines weight 15,6 kg
                Fordonsmina 14 - mass of explosives 1,5 pierces from 60mm at 5m to 20mm at 50m
                Mi AC AH F-1 - mass of explosive 6,5 penetrates 60 mm but 40 m
                PD Mi-PK charge weight 8,5kg, has five disks of an impact core. Effective range of up to 30 meters with armor penetration up to 20 mm.
                Well, for starters, self-aiming combat elements
                SADARM XM 898 based on shock core - weight 12,25 kg, lens diameter 147 mm, depleted uranium lining, armor penetration 100 mm
                “Motiv-3M” mass of 4,5 kg breaks through 70 mm.

                Are you able to compare yourself with cumulative dimensions similar in weight? Are you and there, thanks to fervent prayer, armor penetration regulated in the direction you need?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 12 October 2014 11: 28
                  0
                  I don’t particularly advise you to believe in the Internet, but the truth was during the tests, and by the way the explosives used in the mines you specify differ in energy and the armor penetration is underestimated.
                  1. gross kaput
                    gross kaput 12 October 2014 12: 32
                    0
                    On tests of what? American, French, German ali South African mines?
                    And where did these tests take place that you attended?
                    The question is not casual and not idle - after leaving for civilian life, I had the dubious honor of working for "Basalt" - a developer and manufacturer of such toys.
                    ТМ 83 was tested already as a quarter of a century ago, so I strongly doubt that you managed to be noted there, and the data is not only the Internet but also (mostly) special literature and, to a lesser extent, brochures in which manufacturers try to give TTX on the upper level, among NATO members in general there is a characteristic feature - their armor penetration is indicated for 75% of the ammunition that has fallen, and for us for 100%.
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    mines indicated by you differ from each other in energy

                    Yes, no, except for Hornet, almost all of them use alloys similar to our TG 40/60 (trinitrotoluene-hexogen).
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 12 October 2014 17: 20
                      0
                      In 2004, they were tested by order of the Research Institute of Steel on armor of various compositions and thicknesses and on tanks with and without dz, the ТМ 83 mine pierced the t-72 boards for take-off from fifteen meters, so I believe that the strike core has all the prospects, you can even if you want to make a calculation of armor penetration, this mine has a mass of shock nucleus of gram 700, speed of 2500 meters per second, armor strength coefficient for homogeneous 7000 for multilayer combined with depleted uranium insert 10600 calculation according to the formula for sub-caliber shells, impact core caliber 40 millimeters.
                      1. gross kaput
                        gross kaput 12 October 2014 19: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        In 2004, they were tested by order of the Research Institute of Steel on armor of various compositions and thicknesses and on tanks with and without dz, the TM 83 mine pierced the t 72 side for a departure from fifteen meters, so I believe that the strike core has all the prospects

                        Yes, I’m glad for the Steel Research Institute, only let me not believe it a bit, in order to find out that the TM83 penetrates the 72 mm thick T-70 board, it was enough to take a test report for 1982, if it really wanted to check the operation of the TM- 83 then for this they would use a regular armored target i.e. armor sheet of a given thickness and with desired properties. like so
                        this is the target simulator of the side of the tank after hitting the TM-83 from 15 meters.
                      2. gross kaput
                        gross kaput 12 October 2014 19: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        you can even make the calculation of armor penetration, if you want, this mine has a mass of shock core of 700 grams speed of 2500 meters per second, the strength coefficient of armor for a homogeneous 7000 for a multilayer combined with a depleted uranium insert 10600 calculation by the formula for sub-caliber shells, impact core caliber 40 mm .

                        I will upset you a little, the calculation of the action of the cumulative effect of that UY is quite different from the calculation of the armor penetration of kinetic ammunition, since the physics of the processes, in the case of the cumulative effect, that with the shock core is described by the laws of hydrodynamics, well, a quote from Vereemeev in the topic - "According to academician M.A. Lavrentyev, the metal of the lining of the cumulative excavation, due to the tremendous pressure that develops in a very short time, acquires the properties of an ideal incompressible fluid (quasi-fluid) and behaves in full accordance with the laws of hydrodynamics. Including the nature of the impact on a solid barrier.
                        By the way, this also explains the effect of shielding the side of the tank with a relatively thin rubber or metal shield. The cumulative jet (the damaging element or the impact core - call it what you want), when it encounters the screen, behaves in exactly the same way as the liquid jet, i.e. fragmented and destroyed.
                        From myself, I note that the core of the sub-caliber projectile, i.e. a very solid rod with a high flight speed, behaves completely differently. It just pierces both the screen and the side of the tank.
                        ".
                        Generally learn the mat part.

                        In general, the conclusion is simple and logical, if you missed my previous posts, then I repeat -
                        Therefore, where it is necessary to ensure the range of destruction (self-aiming elements, anti-aircraft anti-aircraft mines against the target, anti-aircraft mines) they use UY to ensure defeat to the roof or to the side, but where it is not needed (RPGs, anti-tank missiles designed for direct hit) shock the core didn’t take root there with its penetration much more preferable.
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 12 October 2014 20: 21
                        0
                        Consider how the mass of the don’s according to the armor piercer is given according to these calculations, it turns out that this core pierces 580 millimeters of homogeneous armor and when calculated according to the formula for the cumulative jet, the percentages will differ by fifteen but the fact remains that the core will break through the armor. Somehow I’ll try to beg them from the archive for videos of those tests, unless of course they give.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 October 2014 18: 11
          +1
          But practice shows the opposite.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 12 October 2014 08: 26
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            But practice shows the opposite.

            And there is. Even with the obsolescence of the TM-83, it is feared like fire. This is not a neat RPG hole for you, but a hole with a specific backward action. Where at least 2 RPGs are needed, the first TM is enough for the eyes. And our tankers were lucky that the Czechs had practically none.
  8. Padla
    Padla 11 October 2014 15: 59
    0
    I shot him in FarCry-3, a great grenade launcher! good
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 11 October 2014 16: 10
      +1
      Quote: Padla
      I shot him in FarCry-3, a great grenade launcher! good

      Alas, modern combat is very different from FarCry-3.
      1. user237
        user237 11 October 2014 18: 05
        0
        Quote: Timeout
        Alas, modern combat is very different from FarCry-3.

        And from ARMA 3? :)
        1. Massik
          Massik 11 October 2014 20: 34
          0
          only red ocherta 2 heroes of Stalingrad - a bit conveys reality.
          1. user237
            user237 11 October 2014 23: 01
            0
            Quote: Marssik
            only red ocherta 2 heroes of Stalingrad - a bit conveys reality.


            VBS2 (Virtual Battlespace Simulators) - a battlefield simulator for use by armies of various countries.

            BISim (Bohemia Interactive Simulations) has developed and released some of the most realistic combat simulators available in the military sector today.
            The company's latest development, VB2 (Virtual Battlespace 2 - Virtual Battlefield), is a fully interactive high-precision battlefield simulator that is already being used by the armed forces of various countries, including the United States Marine Corps, the Australian Armed Forces and the Ministry of Defense of Great Britain. About this writes the publication army-technology.com.

            http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/weapons_in_the_world/vbs2-virtual-battlespace-simul
            ators-simulyator-polya-boya-dlya-ispol-zovaniya-armiyami-razlichnyh-stran
            012-16-09-00 /

            [ENG] http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/training/bohemia-interactive/

            Simulator Video:



            Saab Image Generator, Terrain Databases, 3D models.



            Operation Flashpoint / ARMA 2 / ARMA 3 game series developed by company Bohemia Interactive Studiowhich owns the company Bohemia Interactive Simulationsdeveloping military simulations.
          2. Nikoha.2010
            Nikoha.2010 12 October 2014 08: 23
            0
            Quote: Marssik
            only red ocherta 2 heroes of Stalingrad - a bit conveys reality.

            Well, it started! laughing Marcel, who plays what?
            1. Massik
              Massik 13 October 2014 22: 59
              0
              No way, the children are loading not childishly, you have to delve into their world)))
  9. Denimax
    Denimax 11 October 2014 16: 50
    0
    Isn’t a grenade launcher better than a revolver circuit? They will be faster and more chargeable.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 11 October 2014 17: 04
      0
      Quote: Denimax
      Isn’t a grenade launcher better than a revolver circuit? They will be faster and more chargeable.

      That's because of this 6G-30 and adopted by the Armed Forces of the RA, standard ammunition and an acceptable rate of fire
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 11 October 2014 19: 30
        0
        So it’s like the GM-94 was adopted for service (2005 Ministry of Internal Affairs, 2007 RA, 2008 FSB) And also in the troops
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 11 October 2014 19: 31
      0
      And more bulky.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 12 October 2014 08: 15
        0
        As it is written in the annotation for groups with special tactical tasks ... We look at the tasks, RDG - the fuck did not fall. Attack aircraft - perhaps, but RG-6 is better. Ordinary infantry is all the more unnecessary. But again, for target designation ... You can develop a grenade for a GP. Yes, with our logistics in the RBD, we waited for VOG-17, and drove 25 to us. So diversity is not good ...
  10. Denimax
    Denimax 11 October 2014 20: 04
    0
    Quote: Timeout
    That's because of this 6G-30 and adopted by the Armed Forces of the RA, standard ammunition and an acceptable rate of fire

    Here I understand the rate of fire.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppS53_BEyIA
    At the end of the video is something of an air blast.
  11. psiho117
    psiho117 11 October 2014 22: 35
    +1
    Unfortunately, a purely police weapon turned out ... Once pulled into the terrorists, sniff and distort the fore-end. On the preservation of the convenience of the application, the transfer of fire to another target, the fire to suppress - and there can be no question.
    Compared to the same Milkor, you don’t have the density of fire, nor the convenience of shooting ... and clumsy reloading kills.
    Although ... Even in this form, our army needs it and has already won many admirers (however, as well as opponents).

    IMHO, a single-shot sample (for a 43mm shot) like a "brass knuckle" for the police would not hurt - it is both simpler and cheaper. Yes, and a grenade launcher for this shot, for fighting in us. points - I would also find a job. True, for this you need to move away from the mortar scheme of our GP-shek, and do the reloading similar to the western models. And here, I'm afraid, are our designers. as always, they will not want to take an already working prototype from HK or FN, but they will definitely invent something "that has no world analogues", uh ... I shudder in advance.
  12. Shtyn dwarf
    Shtyn dwarf 12 October 2014 12: 05
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    It affects not only the equipment but the people sitting on the armor or going under the cover of armor


    This will amaze you even more =)))

  13. dimasialyt
    dimasialyt 12 October 2014 12: 38
    0
    For a grenade without an engine, the declared range of 600 m is not too much?
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 12 October 2014 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: dimasialyt
      For a grenade without an engine, the declared range of 600 m is not too much?

      along a ballistic trajectory, from a hill, with a fair wind ... why not?
      True, in reality, they shoot him from the next room, or through the window sill)) Although, some users have stated that they put a grenade in the window at 150-200m.
      The only question is that his sights are in their infancy, and are not subject to improvement. Neither optics nor score. the calculator is not possible to hang. There is no potential for modernization as a complex of precision weapons.
  14. Everest2014
    Everest2014 12 October 2014 16: 35
    0
    It looks like a barrel of star warriors. Interesting stuff.
  15. Prager
    Prager 2 November 2014 13: 14
    0
    I thought, this piece of iron from ANOTHER, something futuristic is in it. if only the lives of our soldiers would protect and destroy the enemy effectively. am