GM94 - Russian pump-action grenade launcher with a moving barrel.

Description.
The GM-94 multipurpose grenade launcher was developed in the Tula Instrument Design Bureau at the beginning of the 1990-s. The main purpose of the new weapons Providing fire support for infantry in the conditions of close combat, especially in the city, as well as conducting police special operations, designed to destroy manpower in urban areas, basements, fortifications, folds of the terrain and in the mountains; damage lightly armored vehicles; creating smoke screens and fires. Especially for GM-94, a whole range of 43-mm unitary shots was developed, including high-explosive shatter-proof grenades, tear gas grenades, and rubber bullet shots. Of particular interest are high-explosive ammunition having thermobaric equipment with a high specific gravity of explosive to the mass of the shot. This is achieved through the use of a plastic grenade body. Such an unusual decision was made to ensure the safe use of a grenade launcher at minimum ranges, excluding the shooter being hit by shrapnel from his own grenade. The damage zone of the enemy's manpower by the high-explosive effect (shock wave, high temperature) of the thermobaric charge has a radius of up to 3 meters, and the minimum (conditionally) safe shooting distance is only 5 meters. The mass of thermobaric (high-explosive) grenades VGM-93 is about 250 g, of which 160 g fall on the explosive charge. The initial grenade speed of the order of 85 m / s.
It was designed to arm the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Device.
According to the device, the grenade launcher is a magazine weapon with pump reloading with the help of a barrel moving back and forth. A tubular magazine containing three grenades is located above the barrel. To recharge it on the upper surface of the receiver made charging window, covered with a hinged lid. The mirror of the bolt is motionless, the coupling of the barrel moving forward with the bolt is provided by two hooks on the sides of the breech breech. Release of spent cartridges carried down. Trigger mechanism self-cocking. On the left side of the receiver is a flag fuse. Folded shoulder rest serves as a handle for carrying a grenade launcher. The stock can be metal, foldable upwards, or a fixed skeletal structure made of plastic.
For shooting from GM-93 / 94 the following types of grenades are used: high-explosive, thermobaric, cumulative, fragmentation, lighting, gas, signal, marker with a rubber element.

Features:
Caliber, mm: 43
Mass not gear. rocket launcher, kg: 5,0
Store capacity, shots: 3 — 4
Initial grenade speed, m / s: 100
Aim range of shooting, m: 75, 150, 300
Maximum shooting range, m: 600

Comments

[Lopatov]

GM-94 granotometr as a mobile avalanche tool

[Prapor-527]

For some reason, I immediately thought about the Soviet fighters who bravely fought with the Edelweiss rangers in the Caucasus ... How this handsome man would help them. (Maybe this is said in the plot? I watch without sound).

[ICT]

Quote: Prapor-527

(Maybe this is stated in the plot? I look without sound).

well, that the general meaning of the main conversations is higher, to the left or right, well, and lower, respectively

[Prapor-527]

I understood the general meaning of the conversation. I wanted to ask, not упоминается about what I said above? probably used the word "said" unsuccessfully.

[Vittt]

Quote: Spade

GM-94 granotometr as a mobile avalanche tool

Mr. Lopatov, why is GM-94 my favorite weapon in Far Cry 3 for me?

[avt]

Very nice sample !! And the design is beautifully executed from an engineering point of view, and even outwardly quite handsome! A wonderful example of the Tula school of gunsmiths!

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Quote: avt

Very nice sample !! And the design is beautifully executed from an engineering point of view, and even outwardly quite handsome! A wonderful example of the Tula school of gunsmiths!

The idea is normal, but the performance is in the style of "collected from what was." Ammunition is certainly more powerful than FOGs from conventional grenade launchers, but everything is spoiled by the barrel itself. Very hard to recharge, charging is not the best option either. The design is based on the design of the RMB with all its shortcomings, with the worst performance. When shooting, this is generally a special perversion. Broken hands and bruised cheekbones are common for inexperienced shooters. Quite frequent misfires ...

[avt]

Quote: Timeout

. Very heavy reloading, charging is also not the best option. Based on the design of the RMB with all its shortcomings, with the worst performance. When shooting, this is generally a special perversion. Downed hands and broken cheekbones in the inexperienced shooter are commonplace. Quite frequent misfires ...

Two main points - a habit acquired by training, BUT! Unfortunately, as always, the quality of execution of the weapons themselves. A trouble that can’t be fixed soon. To invent, draw and make a sample, even fit it as it should, is possible. But here it comes to production for the series and here is the easiest thing - the whining of a technologist that it’s too difficult, it doesn’t happen and it won’t work, but it turns out on the condition that the person knows his business and isn’t the number that is serving, and when everything falls into the old machine park, yes I’m gouging out whose hands are not sharpened to the point, and in general do not care - just to get out of work as soon as possible .... In general, the thought comes - but what for do I have it all?

[timeout]

Quote: avt

In general, the thought comes - and what for is all this to me?

You can argue a lot, but the child is stillborn. For the Ministry of Internal Affairs, perhaps it is normal. But for the troops ... Especially with such a range of ammunition:

[avt]

Quote: Timeout

For the Ministry of Internal Affairs, perhaps it is normal. But for the troops ...

Well, as far as I know, there was an order for it from the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

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Quote: avt

Well, as far as I know, there was an order for it from the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Initially, there was no order at all. In those years, everything was just pollination. The bureau pretended to be developing, the customers pretended to pay. Initially, requests came from Vympel.

[user237]

Timeout, could you answer?
Is the high-explosive impact of the GM-94 thermobaric grenade enough to guarantee the destruction of man in the open?

With this in mind:
The pressure of the blast wave in the immediate vicinity of the charge is as high as possible, but as it moves away from the source of the explosion, the pressure drops rapidly. So, with an air blast of explosives weighing 5 kg (TNT), the pressure at a distance of 0.5 m is 55745 kPa; 1 m - 7646 kPa; 2.5 m - 650 kPa; 5.0 m - 127 kPa, 7 m - 62 kPa (Nechaev E.A. et al., 1994).

Field surgery of local wars and armed conflicts. Guide for doctors
Edited by E. K. Gumanenko, I. M. Samokhvalova

Classification of the severity of manpower damage under the influence of an air shock wave of non-nuclear munitions (pressure {ΔP} in kPa)

[user237]

Timeout, how effective are these hand grenades?

Manual thermobaric grenade RG-60TB
Purpose:
The 60-mm RG-60TB 7-mm hand-held thermobaric assault grenade is intended for combined destruction of manpower, in openly located terrain in various types of shelters, behind natural local shelters, in closed buildings and engineering structures, within a radius of up to XNUMX meters.

Features:

Diameter, mm, no more than 62,3
Length, mm, no more than 175
Weight, kg, no more than 0,41
The mass of the filler / T. E / kg, not less than 0,5
Temperature range of application, ° С ± 50

[timeout]

Quote: user237

Timeout, how effective are these hand grenades?

Significantly more effective than grenades from GM-94, at least a defeat in the declared zone of 100%, the mass of the active substance is greater than in GM.

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Quote: user237

Is the high-explosive impact of the GM-94 thermobaric grenade enough to guarantee the destruction of man in the open?

I will say from personal experience. Undermining the usual RGD-5 5-7 meters away from you will not cause you any explosive injuries other than fragmentation (in 50% of cases). Since VGM93-100 has a clear anti-terrorism purpose, the injuries belong to the lungs, rupture of the tympanic membranes or moderate seizures. At least there were no corpses from them, if the explosion was not right underfoot.

[user237]

Shooting from the GM-94.
watch from 10:30

[Mountain shooter]

The solid caliber and weight of the grenade is distinct. Used in combat? Does he have a high-explosive and cumulative grenade?
In the fighting in the city should be good, as it allows firing from enclosed spaces.

[Lopatov]

For shooting from GM-93 / 94 the following types of grenades are used: high-explosive, thermobaric, cumulative, fragmentation, lighting, gas, signal, marker with a rubber element.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Used in combat?

[Prapor-527]

They work great, harmoniously. But I liked the guy who at the end of the plot brought a couple of RPGs (RPOs), it looks like he was tired of this "carousel".

[Des10]

and brought - like grenades in a string bag.

[Prapor-527]

Quote: Des10

like grenades in a string bag.

"Semyon Semyonich" ...

[Massik]

One all the time he is kissing something, the second beats offhand. It can be seen that work is underway.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Des10

and brought - like grenades in a string bag.

A string bag is a universal thing , it’s fashionable to move anything in it.

[Karlsonn]

I see that at the expense of the border of controversy ... I like him

10 second.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Prapor-527

But I liked the guy who at the end of the plot brought a couple of RPGs (RPOs), it looks like he was tired of this "carousel".

Yes, but it would be better if he brought Bumblebee!

[Sabroc]

You can’t use a bumblebee there, it’s too close already, and sometimes carcasses are not needed, but also as an option the narrator from that side.

[Vadim237]

This grenade launcher also needs combined cumulative-fragmentation, incendiary, high-explosive armor-piercing shots.

[ICT]

Quote: Vadim237

high-explosive armor-piercing.

Do we have this type of ammunition?

[Bayonet]

Quote: TIT

Do we have this type of ammunition?

And for the first time I hear "cumulative fragmentation" ... What is this for?

[Lopatov]

There are also such generalists. For example, aviation NURSs.

[ICT]

s-5co (nurs)

[Vadim237]

It affects not only the equipment but the people sitting on the armor or going under the cover of armor

[Lopatov]

Quote: TIT

Do we have this type of ammunition?

We have not heard, they were not taken into a separate category. In general, there are such. The second name is "semi-armor-piercing". They occupy an intermediate position between high-explosive fragmentation and armor-piercing caliber. As far as I know, common as shells for Western automatic cannons

In the ammunition format for this grenade launcher, it is hardly possible to create such, the initial speed is too low.

[ICT]

asked around here the "expert" It turns out that no one besides the British bothered

[Lopatov]

http://www.gd-ots.com/MCA_25mm_PGU32.html

In general, as far as I heard, they came from naval artillery.

[ICT]

it’s not that, armor-piercing incendiary, it is understandable, and in principle and in kind I saw the same

but I just found out about such
as usual type first link

Well, it's easier

A shot with an armor-piercing high-explosive shell for the 105-mm gun L7

[Vadim237]

It’s even possible to imagine this 43-millimeter shell with a hemispherical head recess behind the recess, the TG 50 explosive, and steel balls three millimeters in diameter in the explosive, when the charge explodes, it will generate not only an impact core but also a fragmentation jacket at the same time.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vadim237

will generate not only the impact core but the fragmentation shirt at the same time.

What for? If you work on armor, where are the balls, on the gophers?

[Lopatov]

This grenade launcher must first enter the troops. New ammunition for him, the thing is already secondary.

[IS-80]

Quote: Spade

This grenade launcher must first enter the troops. New ammunition for him, the thing is already secondary.

And how much is he needed in the army? What are the scenarios of its application in your opinion?

[Lopatov]

Settlements. For example, his thermobaric shot (VGM 93.100) breaks a wall into a brick floor with a safe removal border of only 5 meters. And take on board the BTR-80
Smoke is generally a song.

[IS-80]

And is it necessary to do all this with the help of this grenade launcher? And carry it 5 kg of weight, which is still a lot. Plus an additional range of ammunition.

[Lopatov]

Quote: IS-80

And is it necessary to do all this with the help of this grenade launcher? And carry it 5 kg of weight, which is still a lot.

Yes. This is the best option. Achieving such results using grenade launchers is possible only through expensive dances with tambourines.

Quote: IS-80

Plus an additional range of ammunition.

Four more types with dozens needed for motorized rifle mouths are trifles. To one ancient RPG-7, for its effective use, 4 types of ammunition are needed.

[IS-80]

Quote: Spade

Achieving such results using grenade launchers is possible only through expensive dances with tambourines.

Hmmm, what are the difficulties? At first glance, use the same 43 mm grenades and is that all or is there something else?

Quote: Spade

Four more types with dozens needed for motorized rifle mouths are trifles. To one ancient RPG-7, for its effective use, 4 types of ammunition are needed.

Well, for you it can be trifles, but for someone it can’t, these trifles still cost money.

[Lopatov]

Quote: IS-80

Hmmm, what are the difficulties?

Judging by the grenade launchers in service, they are clearly there. Grenades are not very powerful and unreliable.

Quote: IS-80

Well, for you it may be trifles, but for someone it’s not.

For whom?

[IS-80]

Quote: Spade

Judging by the grenade launchers in service, they are clearly there. Grenades are not very powerful and unreliable.

Well, that sounds pretty dubious. And, as I understand it, only your guesses?

Quote: Spade

For whom?

Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation.

[garpastum75]

Yes. A grenade launcher with such a weapon is also a full-fledged shooter having also an automatic rifle.

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: garpastum75

Yes. A grenade launcher with such a weapon is also a full-fledged shooter having also an automatic rifle.

So sure and like that!

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Quote: Spade

Settlements. For example, his thermobaric shot (VGM 93.100) breaks a wall into a brick floor with a safe removal border of only 5 meters. And take on board the BTR-80
Smoke is generally a song.

Most often a grenade explodes from a blow against a wall (the wall does not suffer at all). The energy of a grenade is approximately 900 kdzh. BTR does not take! Since the body of the grenade is plastic and collapses from impact (but enough to create a suspension).

[Lopatov]

Quote: Timeout

but enough to create a suspension

The grenade is thermobaric, no "suspension" is formed. A two-stroke (with the formation of a cloud) volumetric explosion ammunition in such a caliber and with such a weight cannot be made.
By his action, I read.

I agree that his ammunition is not army. Thermobaric, fragmentation, smoke and lighting are required. But anyway it will be better than a grenade launcher.

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Quote: Spade

Push-pull (with cloud formation) ammunition

It can not be called at all, the RG-60TB is taken as the basis. There is a bang from it, but mostly not lethal, it contains 100% aluminum powder and a polyethylene glycol odor you will not confuse with anything. Fragmented by impact below conventional FOGs ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Timeout

as a part there is 100% aluminum powder and polyethylene glycol the smell cannot be confused with anything

Well, this is a one-stroke. That is, pre-clouds do not form

As for the rest, I think in such a caliber the creation of normal combat ammunition is quite feasible. In perspective, an electronic remote fuse, air blasting.

[timeout]

Quote: Spade

in such a caliber, the creation of normal military ammunition is quite feasible.

I will not argue, there are plenty of ideas since the 60s. And ours followed the path of least resistance (took the M-406 as a basis), it’s still shit. Let's see, maybe they will change their minds. And if you think about new explosives like the American AM-99 or our vehicle, this can be done in a smaller caliber.

[Lopatov]

I would have made marker ammunition. Colored smoke during the day, IR radiation at night. For the pixi. And then they always can not explain what they need. But tracers aiming to mark is also not a very smart solution.

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Quote: Spade

I would have made marker ammunition. Colored smoke during the day, IR radiation at night. For the pixi. And then they always can not explain what they need. But tracers aiming to mark is also not a very smart solution.

I fully support! With target designation, we always have byada ..... Well, you also didn’t bother with more AR stations to observe the markers!

[garpastum75]

He is. He is in the arsenal of the special forces of the VV and the FSB. The thing is necessary for the Ministry of Defense, in particular in battles for settlements

[timeout]

Quote: garpastum75

Special Forces BB and FSB

You are not to confuse the tasks of the special forces of the BB and the FSB with the special forces of the GRU of the General Staff of the Republic of Armenia or simply of the Armenian armed forces. Quite different tasks ...

[korol yasheriz]

The gun is what you need

[gross kaput]

Article minus - in fact, this is not an article but an altered advertising brochure with a minimum of information, but under which the "author" did not hesitate to put his signature.

[ICT]

Quote: gross kaput

Article minus

Well, why are we all SO creating news in one way or another, in the article description and performance characteristics plus a few photos, in the commentary of the video with his shootings

to represent the concept of what kind of weapon is quite enough

[gross kaput]

Which news is 20 years old? Nu-nu, here it’s time to write a historical monograph, but for you this is still news.

[Yarik]

This grenade launcher also needs combined cumulative-fragmentation, incendiary, high-explosive armor-piercing shots.


With an initial speed of 95 m / s, it seems strange to me to talk about "armor-piercing". Fragmentation, high-explosive, cumulative, smoke, chemical is probably a promising field of application.

[gross kaput]

Quote: Yarik

With an initial speed of 95 m / s, talking about "armor-piercing" seems strange to me.

Well, as it were, for a classic high-explosive armor-piercing projectile, the initial velocity is not strong and critical, and is characterized by the minimum necessary to flatten the warhead and smear explosives over the largest possible area of ​​armor, only the amount of explosives in a shot for a GM is clearly not enough to create a more or less adequate armor-piercing -high-explosive ammunition, and in my opinion, he doesn’t need cumulative ammunition for the same reason - his lot is purely "infantry" functions - fragmentation, thermobaric, chemical.

[Vadim237]

95 speeds for a shot with a lanthanum impact core and caliber 43 is more than enough for an armor-piercing gun - it will take 9-10 cm of armor with a bang.

[Lopatov]

For such armor penetration is not worth bothering. It's easier to rivet a disposable grenade launcher with anti-mass.

[Vadim237]

For armored personnel protection and armored penetration, it’s enough, and making a disposable grenade launcher for these purposes is not advisable if such a 43 mm shot would cost thousands and a half rubles, then a grenade launcher would be about ten or fifteen thousand, all the more we are already record holders for varieties of disposable grenade launchers and flamethrowers.

[Lopatov]

Disposable with anti-mass. To shoot from the premises. And other advantages of the GM-94 over a simple and cheap "fly" in terms of fighting someone else's "armor", I just don't see the word.

[gross kaput]

The subtlest knowledge in the subject!
Firstly, a full-fledged shock core is formed only when detonated at a distance no closer than a few calibers from the obstacle - i.e. the fuse must be remote, and secondly, the impact core beats a cumulative projectile of the same caliber in range of damage to an object (up to tens or even hundreds of meters) but loses in penetration - for a modern kuma, the penetration rate is up to 6 calibers and penetration rarely exceeds one caliber and an average of 0,5 caliber for copper and 1 caliber for tantalum and other rare earth crap, but it’s not enough to break through armor, put a rustle behind the armor, but with this, all small-caliber cumulative-nuclear crackers are very bad.

[timeout]

Quote: gross kaput

0,5 gauge for copper and 1 gauge for tantalum and other rare earth crap, but it’s not enough to break through armor, put a rustle behind the armor, but with this, all small-caliber cumulative-nuclear crackers are very bad.

Dear, do not distort. Quotation from the textbook for the Higher School of Economics

The impact core (UY) in the form of a pestle is formed during the explosion of any cumulative charge with a metal lining, but the mass and energy of the pestle itself depend on the angle of the lining of the lining. For the formation of full-fledged impact cores, the angles of the facing of more than 100 degrees or the spherical shape of the facing are used, with the thickness of the facing significantly greater than the thickness of the facing of the cumulative charge for the action of the cumulative jet.

If in a normal cumulative charge the pestle has about 75% of the weight of the lining, then in a charge with a shock core the pestle (that is, the impact core) has up to 95% of the weight of the lining. Unlike a cumulative jet that preserves relative armor penetration over dozens of initial charge diameters, the shock core maintains its speed at a distance of thousands of initial charge diameters.
After compression (collapse of the lining), the pestle has a diameter of about a quarter of the diameter of the initial charge and a length of about one diameter (that is, has an elongated shape). The speed of the pestle (i.e., the impact core) is about 2,5 km / s, (in some designs and 3,5-5,0 km / s), significantly exceeding the speed of the BPS.
In this case, the armor penetration of the shock core extends to tens, up to hundreds of meters and several more. The penetration resistance of the impact core on steel armor can reach values ​​of 0,4-0,6 from the initial diameter of the lining (about the diameter (caliber) of the cumulative charge) at distances of tens of meters. According to empirical relations, the armor penetration of an AU (determined by the thickness of a steel armor) is half the diameter of its charge in the manufacture of a charge lining for an AU from copper or iron, and one charge diameter with a tantalum lining. In this case, the armor penetration of a typical cumulative charge is at least six charge diameters. Effective for destruction, the speed of the shock nucleus drops rapidly, so the shock nucleus is delivered by the carrier, and can also be used as a mine or destructive charge.

And the concept of armor penetration is an empirical one. 1995, 81 SME tanks, losses from TM-83, 4 cars from defeat in the cheekbone or side of the tower on the fly. Look for the thickness of the armor yourself.

[gross kaput]

Well so and in what I distorted? What is the lens diameter of a TM83? Anything more than 100 mm visually 200 millimeters is obtained, but the manufacturer guaranteed 100 mm breakage at a distance of 5 to 50 m and this is with a charge of 9,6 kg TG 40/60, but the oldest grenade for RPG 7 is PG-7V with a caliber of 83 mm and a common a grenade mass of 2,2 kg pierces 260mm.
Therefore, where it is necessary to ensure the range of destruction (self-aiming elements, anti-aircraft anti-aircraft mines against the target, anti-aircraft mines) they use UY to ensure defeat to the roof or to the side, but where it is not needed (RPGs, anti-tank missiles designed for direct hit) shock the core didn’t take root there with its penetration much more preferable.
Now, with regard to the distance of education of UY, an ancient scan from the American advertising brochure clearly demonstrates the phases and distance of education of this
PS By the way, if you carefully read your copy-paste from the wiki, you will find that it’s what they are talking about, only you need to read out the meaning and not just look for familiar words.

[Vadim237]

the armor penetration of the TM 83 at a distance of fifty meters is 400 millimeters of armor; the tank t 72 penetrated into the flight for departure from a distance of fifteen meters and was greatly underestimated in the general strike core, and now it was time last year in one of our institutes to create a new lining and construction of such charge, the tests showed armor penetration of 8,7 caliber. And the problem of remote detonation has already been solved.

[gross kaput]

Ingenious! In the mine manual, 100 mm is indicated at a distance of 5 to 50 meters, but a friend with the nickname Vadim 237 forced her to pierce as much as 4 times more!
I applaud while standing!
Especially for Vadim
TTX ammunition on the principle of UYA
anti-aircraft mines
TM 83 - 100mm charge weight 9,6 kg
M93 HORNET - 90 mm mines weight 15,6 kg
Fordonsmina 14 - mass of explosives 1,5 pierces from 60mm at 5m to 20mm at 50m
Mi AC AH F-1 - mass of explosive 6,5 penetrates 60 mm but 40 m
PD Mi-PK charge weight 8,5kg, has five disks of an impact core. Effective range of up to 30 meters with armor penetration up to 20 mm.
Well, for starters, self-aiming combat elements
SADARM XM 898 based on shock core - weight 12,25 kg, lens diameter 147 mm, depleted uranium lining, armor penetration 100 mm
“Motiv-3M” mass of 4,5 kg breaks through 70 mm.

Are you able to compare yourself with cumulative dimensions similar in weight? Are you and there, thanks to fervent prayer, armor penetration regulated in the direction you need?

[Vadim237]

I don’t particularly advise you to believe in the Internet, but the truth was during the tests, and by the way the explosives used in the mines you specify differ in energy and the armor penetration is underestimated.

[gross kaput]

On tests of what? American, French, German ali South African mines?
And where did these tests take place that you attended?
The question is not casual and not idle - after leaving for civilian life, I had the dubious honor of working for "Basalt" - a developer and manufacturer of such toys.
ТМ 83 was tested already as a quarter of a century ago, so I strongly doubt that you managed to be noted there, and the data is not only the Internet but also (mostly) special literature and, to a lesser extent, brochures in which manufacturers try to give TTX on the upper level, among NATO members in general there is a characteristic feature - their armor penetration is indicated for 75% of the ammunition that has fallen, and for us for 100%.

Quote: Vadim237

mines indicated by you differ from each other in energy

Yes, no, except for Hornet, almost all of them use alloys similar to our TG 40/60 (trinitrotoluene-hexogen).

[Vadim237]

In 2004, they were tested by order of the Research Institute of Steel on armor of various compositions and thicknesses and on tanks with and without dz, the ТМ 83 mine pierced the t-72 boards for take-off from fifteen meters, so I believe that the strike core has all the prospects, you can even if you want to make a calculation of armor penetration, this mine has a mass of shock nucleus of gram 700, speed of 2500 meters per second, armor strength coefficient for homogeneous 7000 for multilayer combined with depleted uranium insert 10600 calculation according to the formula for sub-caliber shells, impact core caliber 40 millimeters.

[gross kaput]

Quote: Vadim237

In 2004, they were tested by order of the Research Institute of Steel on armor of various compositions and thicknesses and on tanks with and without dz, the TM 83 mine pierced the t 72 side for a departure from fifteen meters, so I believe that the strike core has all the prospects

Yes, I’m glad for the Steel Research Institute, only let me not believe it a bit, in order to find out that the TM83 penetrates the 72 mm thick T-70 board, it was enough to take a test report for 1982, if it really wanted to check the operation of the TM- 83 then for this they would use a regular armored target i.e. armor sheet of a given thickness and with desired properties. like so
this is the target simulator of the side of the tank after hitting the TM-83 from 15 meters.

[gross kaput]

Quote: Vadim237

you can even make the calculation of armor penetration, if you want, this mine has a mass of shock core of 700 grams speed of 2500 meters per second, the strength coefficient of armor for a homogeneous 7000 for a multilayer combined with a depleted uranium insert 10600 calculation by the formula for sub-caliber shells, impact core caliber 40 mm .

I will upset you a little, the calculation of the action of the cumulative effect of that UY is quite different from the calculation of the armor penetration of kinetic ammunition, since the physics of the processes, in the case of the cumulative effect, that with the shock core is described by the laws of hydrodynamics, well, a quote from Vereemeev in the topic - "According to academician M.A. Lavrentyev, the metal of the lining of the cumulative excavation, due to the tremendous pressure that develops in a very short time, acquires the properties of an ideal incompressible fluid (quasi-fluid) and behaves in full accordance with the laws of hydrodynamics. Including the nature of the impact on a solid barrier.
By the way, this also explains the effect of shielding the side of the tank with a relatively thin rubber or metal shield. The cumulative jet (the damaging element or the impact core - call it what you want), when it encounters the screen, behaves in exactly the same way as the liquid jet, i.e. fragmented and destroyed.
From myself, I note that the core of the sub-caliber projectile, i.e. a very solid rod with a high flight speed, behaves completely differently. It just pierces both the screen and the side of the tank.".
Generally learn the mat part.

In general, the conclusion is simple and logical, if you missed my previous posts, then I repeat -
Therefore, where it is necessary to ensure the range of destruction (self-aiming elements, anti-aircraft anti-aircraft mines against the target, anti-aircraft mines) they use UY to ensure defeat to the roof or to the side, but where it is not needed (RPGs, anti-tank missiles designed for direct hit) shock the core didn’t take root there with its penetration much more preferable.

[Vadim237]

Consider how the mass of the don’s according to the armor piercer is given according to these calculations, it turns out that this core pierces 580 millimeters of homogeneous armor and when calculated according to the formula for the cumulative jet, the percentages will differ by fifteen but the fact remains that the core will break through the armor. Somehow I’ll try to beg them from the archive for videos of those tests, unless of course they give.

[Vadim237]

But practice shows the opposite.

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Quote: Vadim237

But practice shows the opposite.

And there is. Even with the obsolescence of the TM-83, it is feared like fire. This is not a neat RPG hole for you, but a hole with a specific backward action. Where at least 2 RPGs are needed, the first TM is enough for the eyes. And our tankers were lucky that the Czechs had practically none.

[Padla]

I shot him in FarCry-3, a great grenade launcher!

[timeout]

Quote: Padla

I shot him in FarCry-3, a great grenade launcher!

Alas, modern combat is very different from FarCry-3.

[user237]

Quote: Timeout

Alas, modern combat is very different from FarCry-3.

And from ARMA 3? :)

[Massik]

only red ocherta 2 heroes of Stalingrad - a bit conveys reality.

[user237]

Quote: Marssik

only red ocherta 2 heroes of Stalingrad - a bit conveys reality.

VBS2 (Virtual Battlespace Simulators) - a battlefield simulator for use by armies of various countries.

BISim (Bohemia Interactive Simulations) has developed and released some of the most realistic combat simulators available in the military sector today.
The company's latest development, VB2 (Virtual Battlespace 2 - Virtual Battlefield), is a fully interactive high-precision battlefield simulator that is already being used by the armed forces of various countries, including the United States Marine Corps, the Australian Armed Forces and the Ministry of Defense of Great Britain. About this writes the publication army-technology.com.

http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/weapons_in_the_world/vbs2-virtual-battlespace-simul
ators-simulyator-polya-boya-dlya-ispol-zovaniya-armiyami-razlichnyh-stran
012-16-09-00 /

[ENG] http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/training/bohemia-interactive/

Simulator Video:



Saab Image Generator, Terrain Databases, 3D models.



Operation Flashpoint / ARMA 2 / ARMA 3 game series developed by company Bohemia Interactive Studiowhich owns the company Bohemia Interactive Simulationsdeveloping military simulations.

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: Marssik

only red ocherta 2 heroes of Stalingrad - a bit conveys reality.

Well, it started! Marcel, who plays what?

[Massik]

No way, the children are loading not childishly, you have to delve into their world)))

[Denimax]

Isn’t a grenade launcher better than a revolver circuit? They will be faster and more chargeable.

[timeout]

Quote: Denimax

Isn’t a grenade launcher better than a revolver circuit? They will be faster and more chargeable.

That's because of this 6G-30 and adopted by the Armed Forces of the RA, standard ammunition and an acceptable rate of fire

[Lopatov]

So it’s like the GM-94 was adopted for service (2005 Ministry of Internal Affairs, 2007 RA, 2008 FSB) And also in the troops

[Lopatov]

And more bulky.

[timeout]

As it is written in the annotation for groups with special tactical tasks ... We look at the tasks, RDG - the fuck did not fall. Attack aircraft - perhaps, but RG-6 is better. Ordinary infantry is all the more unnecessary. But again, for target designation ... You can develop a grenade for a GP. Yes, with our logistics in the RBD, we waited for VOG-17, and drove 25 to us. So diversity is not good ...

[Denimax]

Quote: Timeout

That's because of this 6G-30 and adopted by the Armed Forces of the RA, standard ammunition and an acceptable rate of fire

Here I understand the rate of fire.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppS53_BEyIA
At the end of the video is something of an air blast.

[psiho117]

Unfortunately, a purely police weapon turned out ... Once pulled into the terrorists, sniff and distort the fore-end. On the preservation of the convenience of the application, the transfer of fire to another target, the fire to suppress - and there can be no question.
Compared to the same Milkor, you don’t have the density of fire, nor the convenience of shooting ... and clumsy reloading kills.
Although ... Even in this form, our army needs it and has already won many admirers (however, as well as opponents).

IMHO, a single-shot sample (for a 43mm shot) like a "brass knuckle" for the police would not hurt - it is both simpler and cheaper. Yes, and a grenade launcher for this shot, for fighting in us. points - I would also find a job. True, for this you need to move away from the mortar scheme of our GP-shek, and do the reloading similar to the western models. And here, I'm afraid, are our designers. as always, they will not want to take an already working prototype from HK or FN, but they will definitely invent something "that has no world analogues", uh ... I shudder in advance.

[Shtyn dwarf]

Quote: Vadim237

It affects not only the equipment but the people sitting on the armor or going under the cover of armor

This will amaze you even more =)))

[dimasialyt]

For a grenade without an engine, the declared range of 600 m is not too much?

[psiho117]

Quote: dimasialyt

For a grenade without an engine, the declared range of 600 m is not too much?

along a ballistic trajectory, from a hill, with a fair wind ... why not?
True, in reality, they shoot him from the next room, or through the window sill)) Although, some users have stated that they put a grenade in the window at 150-200m.
The only question is that his sights are in their infancy, and are not subject to improvement. Neither optics nor score. the calculator is not possible to hang. There is no potential for modernization as a complex of precision weapons.

[Everest2014]

It looks like a barrel of star warriors. Interesting stuff.

[Prager]

I thought, this piece of iron from ANOTHER, something futuristic is in it. if only the lives of our soldiers would protect and destroy the enemy effectively.