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Putin's rocket surprise

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Putin's rocket surprise


New Russian sea-based cruise missiles "nullify" American military power in the vast geopolitical region from Warsaw to Kabul, from Rome to Baghdad

The US President Barack Obama, speaking at the 69 session of the UN General Assembly, called Russia's actions the main threat to the world, more terrible than international terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism. His attacks on the Russian Federation were frankly hysterical and inadequate. What made the president of the strongest country in the world so worried?

One such reason could be the information that the new Russian sea-based cruise missiles, the deployment of which Putin announced at a recent meeting in Novorossiysk, "nullify" American power and nullify Washington's military superiority in the huge geopolitical region from Warsaw to Kabul, from Rome to Baghdad.

However, first things first.

On September 10, Russian news agencies reported to urbi et orbi that President Putin personally headed the Military-Industrial Commission, which until then was under the authority of the government, and ordered a new version of the Russian Military Doctrine to be prepared by December 2014.

The President proposed to discuss in detail what weapons systems need to be developed in order to successfully repel new threats. At the same time, Putin called the high-precision weapon. He stressed that in the coming years it is necessary to ensure the breakthrough development of all components of such weapons.

In addition, the head of state said that it was necessary to "create unified samples of weapons and equipment, general-purpose equipment" and stressed that the Russian navy needed to develop new ship projects - "universal in armament, control systems and communications."

The head of state substantiated this by saying that Russia was forced to respond to new threats to its own security. “The creation of a missile defense system is well underway. There is no success on the negotiation track. Moreover, corresponding systems are being created in Europe and Alaska, that is, close to our borders,” he said. The president also added that a so-called global disarming strike.

“There are other things that worry us very much,” Putin noted and mysteriously hinted at some unpleasant “surprises” for “our western partners.” “The main thing is to have no tantrums later,” he finished caustically.

At first, few people paid due attention to these strange words about hysteria. Most of the assorted analysts and political scientists, notebook interpreters and interpreters of everything in the world perceived this Putin's passage as a simple figure of speech, ordinary political rhetoric designed to demonstrate to the West, led by Washington, the decisiveness of our president in upholding Russia's national interests. And only a few experts took his words about “surprises” and “hysteria” seriously. But while these “few” wondered what our uncle Vova had prepared for surprises for their “Uncle Sam”, the situation began to clear up on its own.

On September 23, Putin arrived in Novorossiysk to hold a meeting on port development. At this meeting, Admiral Vitko reported on the progress of the construction of the Black Sea base Fleet in Novorossiysk. In particular, the admiral said: "The submarines that will be based here have long-range cruise missiles, and the secrecy of the submarines' exit from their bases in Novorossiysk is an order of magnitude higher than in Sevastopol." And when the president asked what kind of range these missiles had, the Black Sea Fleet commander replied: “More than one and a half thousand kilometers. The submarine pier area holds eight submarines, but so far it is planned to have seven. At the end of 2016, everything will be completely completed. ”

This dialogue was shown by all central TV channels, all the country's news agencies wrote about it.

“Well, what's wrong with that?”, Asks an inexperienced reader.

In order to understand the scale of this “surprise”, we first need to say a few words about those submarines that will soon be placed in the Novorossiysk naval base. According to media reports, this is the submarine of the 636.3 project - a deep modernization of the so-called. "Varshavyanka".

"Varshavyanka" was the third generation of large diesel-battery submarines in the Soviet Navy. The first generation of these submarines - the 641 project - was called "glands", the second - 641B - "rubber bands", because It was the first domestic "dizelyuha" with a rubberized light body. In 1983, the third-generation submarines of the 877 project, called “Varshavyanka”, appeared because they were supposed to arm not only the Soviet Navy, but also the fleets of our allies under the Warsaw Pact. The current upgraded version of this submarine is operated under the code "project 636".

Initially, the Varshavyank ammunition did not provide for missile weapons at all. The development of cruise missiles adapted for launching from Varshavyanka began only in 1983, when the submarine of the 877 project was already part of the Soviet Navy, and the first demonstration of these CDs took place ten years later, in 1993- m At first, the cruise missile “Turquoise” was intended for the “Varshavyanki” of the 877 project, later - the “Caliber”, the maximum firing range of which, according to open sources, does not exceed 300 km.

"Varshavyanka" 877-th project since its inception has become the largest and most powerful non-nuclear submarine in the world, and subsequently - the only non-nuclear submarine in the world, equipped with rocket weapons. The rockets themselves, which are included in its ammunition, are the first in our fleet samples of cruise missiles fired from torpedo tubes with a diameter of 533 mm. Prior to that, of such torpedo tubes, only ballistic missiles 81Р, 83Р, 84Р and their modifications were used. In nuclear equipment, they were operated from the mid-70-s, and in the version of rocket-torpedoes - from the mid-80-x. At the same time, the range of their flight did not exceed 50 km.

And now the commander of the Black Sea Fleet reports to the President of Russia that henceforth these submarines will be armed with cruise missiles that can hit targets at distances of more than half a thousand kilometer!

If all this is true (well, the admiral does not lie to his commander in chief!), And the Russian gunsmiths managed to shove a cruise missile with a 533 km range into the dimensions of an 1500-mm torpedo device, then this is truly a breakthrough, outstanding achievement of the national defense!

Moreover, this actually means a complete collapse of the American military strategy and a qualitative change in the balance of forces in favor of Russia. For now any warship of the Russian fleet - not only the boat, but also the surface ship - become carriers of strategic missile weapons. Why strategic? Yes, because the equipment of such miracle-missiles with nuclear ammunition is only a matter of time and the political will of the Kremlin!

As for surface ships, a separate explanation is needed here. If these new long-range missiles really do not exceed the dimensions of the Caliber missile system - after all, it is installed on Varshavyanka - then they, naturally, can be included in the ammunition of any ship that is equipped with this complex. But the fact is that the “Caliber”, if desired, is easy to install on ALL the ships of the Russian Navy, from rocket boats to cruisers! The only question is the number of missiles, which, indeed, depends on the displacement of the ship. True, until now it was believed that the tactics and technical characteristics of the Caliber do not allow these missiles to be used either against ships or against ground targets at distances exceeding 300 km ...

And then - attention! - we are waiting for another surprise.

29 September 2014, the world media reported on the "Caspian Summit", which was attended by the heads of five Caspian states: Russia, Iran, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan. The participants of this summit agreed on a political statement in which they for the first time unanimously fixed future agreements on the status of the Caspian Sea.

Vladimir Putin commented on this event as follows: “The main thing is that we have agreed a political statement in which the basic principles of five-sided cooperation in the Caspian Sea were first set forth. The agreements reached are in the long-term interests of all parties. ” He also said that the interaction of the five Caspian littoral states would strengthen security in the region, because the "five" agreed that the presence of "outside" armed forces would be excluded in the region.

Against this background, media reports that nine Russian missiles of the Buyan-M 21631 project will be in the Caspian flotilla of the Russian Federation. These brisk ships, equipped with water-jet engines, with a displacement of just 950 tons, if necessary, can even be based on the Volga, as they are specially designed as ships of the “river-sea” class. But most importantly, despite their small size, they are also equipped with a Caliber missile system with eight missiles in a vertical launcher.

Three of these ships are already in service, the rest must enter the fleet combat before 2018. But if we assume that they will be armed with “ordinary” missiles with a range of 300 km, then it is completely incomprehensible against whom Russia intends to use these weapons in the Caspian. One such missile is capable of sinking a destroyer, but none of the Caspian countries has and cannot expect ships of this class! And ground targets “ordinary” missiles will be able to destroy targets only in the territories of Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Iran, which is completely unnecessary today ...

But if we assume that the “Buyans” will be equipped with new long-range missiles, the same as the Novorossiysk “Varshavyanka”, everything will immediately fall into place.

The INF Treaty, signed by Moscow and Washington back in the distant 1987 year, still prohibits Russia from deploying land-based missiles with a range over 500 km. But this ban does not apply to sea-based missiles. And this means that nine “Buyans”, if they are armed with a new super-weapon, will be able to destroy by one volley up to 72 goals at a distance over 1500 km.

Given the size of the Caspian water area, which is now becoming a common “launch pad” for Buyan, it is easy to understand that their target will be a huge region of Eurasia. And if we add to this the rockets that will be placed on Varshavyanka in the Black Sea, it turns out that colossal spaces will fall under their scope. Warsaw and Rome, Baghdad and Kabul, the bases of the US 6 Mediterranean fleet and its strike ship groups, Israel and the lion's share of the southern coast of the Mediterranean Sea will be under the gun of the new Russian missiles.

And this is despite the fact that neither the Black Sea, nor, especially, in the Caspian Sea, the United States can deploy any forces to counteract this new unexpected “Russian threat”! On the Black Sea, the Montreux Convention of 1936 prevents this, and the leaders of the Caspian states have just said that they will not tolerate any foreign military presence in the Caspian region.

You can not say anything, Putin prepared our “American partners” a good “surprise”! The State Department and the Pentagon will think about something at their leisure.

PS Yes, again: something elusive tells me that this is not the last surprise ...
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  1. Ossetian.
    Ossetian. 4 October 2014 08: 36
    +162
    Well, with a surprise you the western part of the world)))))) And VV Many thanks to Putin and to all who work for the good of our country, sincerely!
    HOORAY! HOORAY! URAAA!
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 4 October 2014 09: 04
      +29
      The title photo for the article - launch of the SLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 4 October 2014 11: 03
        +6
        Of course, in the conditions of limiting the installation of CRs on land carriers (which would be much cheaper, more secretive and more effective for the RF Armed Forces), they are forced to deploy long-range CRs on ships in the Caspian Sea and on the Volga (i.e., now and on the Black Sea Fleet). This is also one of the components of deterring the aggressor from the West.

        But on the other hand, the situation is winning for pennants - the confrontation between the Russian Federation and Europe is intensifying (all these Pershing and Pioneers of the times of the Union are an indicator) - and the United States is far away - it does not reach them. At the same time, the United States will calmly deliver its CDs on numerous warships

        It would be ideal to have peace and neutrality with Europe and the Turks - and there is no need for such medium-range weapons
        and Pen Pen must be restrained by strategic nuclear forces
        1. Ujin61
          Ujin61 4 October 2014 12: 20
          +48
          The Pacific Fleet will be armed with these missiles in the first place. The Northern Fleet will not be left without them. Therefore, the Ocean of Ameraeans will not save Babam’s hysteria.
        2. samoletil18
          samoletil18 4 October 2014 17: 16
          +8
          Quote: Talgat
          ) are forced to deploy long-range missiles on ships in the Caspian Sea and on the Volga (i.e., now on the Black Sea Fleet).

          To the heap: KBF, SF, Pacific Fleet. Relations are improving with Cuba ...
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 4 October 2014 22: 42
            +8
            Quote: samoletil18
            Quote: Talgat
            ) are forced to deploy long-range missiles on ships in the Caspian Sea and on the Volga (i.e., now on the Black Sea Fleet).

            To the heap: KBF, SF, Pacific Fleet. Relations are improving with Cuba ...

            What is the distance from Havana to Washington? bully soldier
        3. ADK57
          ADK57 4 October 2014 22: 02
          +12
          The main oil and gas provinces of the Middle East and Kazakhstan came under Russian control. The loop of the anaconda gave slack. From a quick look at Abama’s face and Nazarbayev’s face at the Caspian summit, you immediately recall the ditty:

          I sat on the porch
          With expression on the face.
          Expresses that face
          Than sit on the porch.
        4. WKS
          WKS 5 October 2014 09: 27
          +6
          Quote: Talgat
          It would be ideal to have peace and neutrality with Europe and the Turks - and there is no need for such medium-range weapons
          and Pen Pen must be restrained by strategic nuclear forces

          Neutrality - neutrality, and missiles will not hinder. Moreover, today's Europe is completely a mattress pad.
        5. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 5 October 2014 11: 37
          +2
          Quote: Talgat
          and Pen Pen must be restrained by strategic nuclear forces

          And what prevents the riveting of submarines with cruise missiles? At least 30-50 pieces should be placed and out under the ice to reach the launch range
          IMHO land nuclear weapons are more vulnerable and the trajectory is a bit long + are detected at times
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 6 October 2014 13: 50
            0
            ...... Infa slipped that 2 remaining "Sharks" will be upgraded .... Why would it ?????? bully
          2. doxtop
            doxtop 6 October 2014 14: 07
            +1
            )) Well ... in the Russian Federation are developing a universal launcher of bottom and bottom based;)
            Imagine ... such a container hangs in the water column and no one from the adversary even realizes its existence. That’s how the surprise will happen. )))
        6. SSR
          SSR 5 October 2014 21: 59
          +5
          Quote: Talgat
          Of course, in the conditions of limiting the installation of CRs on land carriers (which would be much cheaper, more secretive and more effective for the RF Armed Forces), they are forced to deploy long-range CRs on ships in the Caspian Sea and on the Volga (i.e., now and on the Black Sea Fleet). This is also one of the components of deterring the aggressor from the West.

          But on the other hand, the situation is winning for pen n dos - the confrontation between Russia and Europe is intensifying

          It would be ideal to have peace and neutrality with Europe and the Turks - and there is no need for such medium-range weapons
          and Pen Pen must be restrained by strategic nuclear forces

          Of course it would be ideal, but you yourself see how the European syavki, obediently sitting on their rainbow asses, barked. Tanks to the Labus, the same Saxons insolently contain their nuclear missiles in Scotland (in theory, which should be hit to neutralize their nuclear forces) and LanDon like on the sidelines or Wales? So the Americans stuff everyone, they use everyone they can, but they themselves are not in business and in general on another continent. For example, what if, under pressure from the US, the paddling pools make a "shot"? Formally, the United States has nothing to do with it. Therefore, I am only for the doctrine that if at least one pod.pin.dosnaya applies nuclear weapons, the answer will be to all the partners of the United States, everyone in NATO and everyone who has NATO nuclear weapons. Let the stags think a hundred times and include Switzerland in the list. If you die then so that would be alive ........ What would everyone be under. Pindo.snik knew that war and blood were his merit.
          1. ty60
            ty60 17 March 2016 14: 01
            0
            All sisters are earrings! Russian traditions hi
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        7. tkhonov66
          tkhonov66 6 October 2014 12: 20
          +8
          "...
          At the same time, the United States will calmly deliver its CDs on numerous warships.
          ..."
          .
          Finally, in a standard FREIGHT CONTAINER - FOUR such domestic cruise missiles are placed ... along with an OFFLINE launcher.
          .
          - At the same time, formally, this quadruple PU of Club-K cruise missiles - DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY LIMITATION (!). Their flight range is up to 250-300 km, and they are not even ballistic, but winged. The Americans themselves, at the time, took cruise missiles out of the scope of agreements to limit the export of missile technologies - now they are reaping the benefits.
          .
          - NOW, these CRs are flying not to the previous 250-300 - but to the new 1200 km ... That's all ...
          8-)
          .
          http://warcyb.org.ru/publ/rakety/raketnyj_kompleks_club_k/6-1-0-4
          .
          The entire Club-K complex is made in the form of a standard (!) 40-foot sea container. This means that it becomes virtually invisible to any type of aerial and technical reconnaissance. This is the whole "salt" of the idea. The container may be on board a merchant ship. On a railway platform. It can be loaded onto a semi-trailer and transported to the area of ​​use as an ordinary load by a regular truck. Truly, how can one not remember the railway ballistic missile launchers of the USSR times! However, if the destruction of "refrigerators" can be explained by the needs of control over the launches of ballistic missiles, then here on a crooked goat you cannot drive up. Cruise missiles, "this is a means of coastal defense" - period!
          .
          It goes without saying that during an attack, air defense systems are first of all suppressed, and then coastal defense is blown to smithereens. But there is nothing to spread here - hundreds, or even thousands and even tens of thousands of false targets (ordinary containers, which someone aptly called "the erythrocytes of world trade") simply will not allow any fluff or ashes.
          .
          So consider - which in the world is more - CONTAINER DRY CARGOES, or "US warships".
          .
          .
          And Boh sees - NOT WE brewed this porridge ...
          Bo country-pin-dosia - she respects STRENGTH, only STRENGTH - and DECISION in its application ...
        8. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 6 October 2014 16: 25
          +1
          Quote: Talgat
          Of course, in the conditions of limiting the installation of CRs on land carriers (which would be much cheaper, more secretive and more effective for the RF Armed Forces), they are forced to deploy long-range CRs on ships in the Caspian and on the Volga (i.e., now on the Black Sea Fleet).

          He-he-he ... on the INF Treaty, it looks like ours put M120x200. Because information is constantly being circulated that the real range of the Iskander-K missile launcher is far beyond the scope of this treaty.
        9. ty60
          ty60 17 March 2016 13: 57
          0
          Launch mines Vojvoda, according to the NATO-Satan classification, are not being liquidated. They are waiting for the end of the test. Rubezh. Sarmat is already in service. Old mines are easily converted to smaller missiles
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      2. Army1
        Army1 4 October 2014 12: 09
        +9
        I do not want to spoil the mood. But somehow there is little CD. Tomahawk he flies like an ax. An adversary with good air defense and reb can handle him. But the problem is many in theory on one ship may be 56. And even more. And plus the ship is not alone. It’s easier for us to destroy the media. And if we want to hit their bases, then we do not even have an analogue of an ax, but we need something cooler. Because you won’t take it in mass, if you don’t attract long-range aviation, you need to take your brains. We do not know the characteristics of clubs and air defense.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 4 October 2014 18: 01
          +19
          Quote: Army1
          in theory, there can be 56 on one ship. And even more. And plus the ship is not alone.
          The United States Navy is a strong adversary and must be taken very seriously. In addition to 14 SSBNs with Tridents-2 and 10 AVUs with 48 nuclear weapons carriers on each, they also have a powerful naval group with Tomahawk cruise missile launch vehicles:
          Submarines:
          • 23 submarines of the Los Angeles type, with 12 KR each;
          • 4 submarines of the Ohio type, up to 154 KR (for 7 missiles in launchers of drum type for each of the 22 mines from the Trident SLBMs);
          • 3 nuclear submarines of the Sivulf type, each with up to 50 cruise missiles;
          • 9 submarines of the Virginia type, up to 12 KR on each;
          Surface carrier ships:
          • 61 destroyer of the “Arly Burke” type in service, the capacity of two VPU Mk41 of the Aegis system - 90 / 96 cells (depending on the ship series). In the universal version of the weapon, it carries the 8 Tomahawks, in the shock - the 56;
          • 22 missile cruisers of the Ticonderoga type, the capacity of the VPU Mk41 of the Aegis system - 122 cells, typical load - 26 KR Tomahawk;
          • Starting from 2016, the launch of 2 new destroyers of the DDG-1000 type with 80 launchers each.
          There are also allies:
          • British submarine type “Suiftshur” displacement 4900 tons, 5 torpedo tubes, 20 torpedoes and missiles;
          • British submarine type Trafalgar displacement 5200 tons, 5 torpedo tubes, 25 torpedoes and missiles;
          • British strike submarine of the Astyut type, 6 torpedo tubes, 48 torpedoes and missiles;
          And all this needs to be neutralized, preferably together with the carriers. Well, if this does not happen, then you will have to fight off every Ax. But it is already being replaced by the LRAMS CRBD, made using the "stealth" technology.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 4 October 2014 21: 05
            +10
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            The US Navy is a strong adversary

            in the open sea, the Syshya fleet has no equal enemy. Nobody even stands nearby. Here, of course, the bitter truth. But on the other hand, no one will fight with them in the open sea.
            1. Starley from the south
              Starley from the south 4 October 2014 23: 58
              +18
              In figs with them to fight in the open sea such as fleet against fleet, for this there is a TU-160 or TU-95MS with promising KR XA-101 with a range of up to 8000 km, if my memory serves me. Or, in the worst case, attack nuclear submarines with Onyx or Granite cruise missiles. One volley of 16 missiles outside the detection zone, the missile range allows, and there is no aircraft carrier group. No wonder such nuclear submarines are called "aircraft carrier killers." The main thing is then, to get away in time.
              1. Kalmar
                Kalmar 5 October 2014 00: 44
                +7
                On figs with them to fight in the open sea like fleet against fleet, for this there is a TU-160 or TU-95MS with promising missiles KHA-101

                X-101 already managed to become anti-ship? It seems to me that this rocket is a little for other things.

                One salvo of 16 missiles outside the detection zone, the range of missiles allows, and there is no carrier group.

                I don't want to upset, but AUG has AWACS aircraft, the detection range of which is clearly greater than the Onyx launch range. Well, to penetrate the air defense / missile defense AUG with only 16 missiles - this is only with very fantastic luck.
                1. Starley from the south
                  Starley from the south 5 October 2014 16: 58
                  +4
                  If you were in the General Staff of the Russian Navy, we would definitely not have attack nuclear submarines, they are needed, if all the "Granites" and "Onyxes" are intercepted by the ship's air defense! Turn on the logic, buddy.
                  For your information, systems of a dozen or more "Granit" missiles in flight select targets independently, exchange information, all missiles do not fly at one target, some missiles distract air defense so that others can fly. Yes, and they will show up when they are already close enough to fly up, and "Onyxes" are even more difficult to detect than "Granites", there are simply not enough interceptors in the AUG.
                  Quote: Kalmar

                  X-101 already managed to become anti-ship? It seems to me that this rocket is a little for other things.

                  I think making it anti-ship is unprofitable, here you are right.
                  1. silver_roman
                    silver_roman 6 October 2014 11: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: Starley from the South
                    fig they are needed if all the "Granites" and "Onyxes" ship air defense intercept! Turn on the logic, buddy.

                    Take a look at the launch range of Granite. It seems to be up to 800 km. Americans know this very well. Even there seems to be a directive AUG to keep away from our ships with Granite.
                    The problem is to hit 800 km you need target designation. Who can do this? It may come to the point that our ships with the same granites simply will not leave at the time of the launch of the missiles. The carriers themselves will intercept. There is hope for multi-purpose submarines. It’s like our Anthea, but it’s still very likely to be detected.
                    In general, I put one thing: you greatly underestimate the enemy and sometimes overestimate our strength.
                    1. doxtop
                      doxtop 6 October 2014 14: 14
                      -1
                      Quote: silver_roman

                      The problem is to hit 800 km you need target designation.

                      Duc ..! Inertial - at the initial and main flight distances. Homing - at the final. wassat
                      1. silver_roman
                        silver_roman 7 October 2014 12: 25
                        +1
                        I'm not a big specialist, but let's think logically: we go on the high seas. Somewhere ahead, an aircraft carrier floats at a distance of 700 km. How do we know this? Deviation of the rocket to the side even by degrees at such a distance will give an error of tens of kilometers. Another thing is a reconnaissance apparatus, which will give out the coordinates of the target. For a long time he will not be able to keep this goal, because in a combat situation, a scout will be shot down. We will know the coordinates static, by then the ship will fall on a different course. question to the performance characteristics of the rocket. If you understand, then I will sincerely be glad to listen!
                      2. Kalmar
                        Kalmar 7 October 2014 21: 08
                        +1
                        Sincerely I will be glad to listen!

                        On one resource I came across such a plausible description of the process. Yes, target designation arrives on the carrier with delay (an hour, two, more, I don’t know for sure), but mainly on the nuclear submarine (it’s not all the time in communication). The goal, of course, does not stand still, therefore, to accurately determine its coordinates, it is necessary to conduct additional exploration - this function is assigned to the RCC itself.

                        After the launch, the missiles gain altitude ("Granites" fly 15-20 km), diverge along the front in a wide chain, turn on the radar and begin to carefully peer into the distance. At the same time, the frontal reconnaissance allows the radars to cover rather large spaces (flight altitude also contributes). As soon as one of the missiles notices a target, it transmits data to the others, and then the actual attack follows: distribution of targets, descent to the minimum height, and so on. Something like this.
                  2. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 6 October 2014 22: 33
                    0
                    If you were in the General Staff of the Russian Navy, we would definitely not have attack nuclear submarines, they are needed, if all the "Granites" and "Onyxes" are intercepted by the ship's air defense! Turn on the logic, buddy.

                    I do not turn off logic. "Granites" and "Onyxes" are, of course, very good. But:
                    1. Where are those Onyxes installed?
                    2. How many carriers of these "Granites" do we have in the ranks?
                    3. how great are the chances of the RCC carrier to reach the firing range, given the superiority of the enemy in reconnaissance means: the nuclear submarines are conducting reconnaissance of 100 kilometers on their own, then it remains to rely only on satellites (which are almost gone now)?
                    4. How many SAM can be set for each anti-ship missile from a salvo?

                    In general, the mere fact of the existence of "Granites" / "Onyxes" is not enough. We need carriers, we need the missiles themselves, we need reconnaissance / target designation means. And while this is not in the proper amount, the threat to the enemy turns out to be purely theoretical.
                    1. GSH-18
                      GSH-18 7 October 2014 21: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      how many SAM can be put on each anti-ship missile from salvo?

                      Quite a lot! After all, missiles are on the suspension of carrier-based aircraft and on escort Aegis destroyers. In addition, in a combat situation in the area, several AWACS planes will hang ... Therefore, let us omit the issue of a missile attack on the AUG. Everything is very ambiguous there. request
                    2. ty60
                      ty60 17 March 2016 14: 15
                      0
                      My friend, all of Glonass’s dual-purpose satellites. Besides them, all communications satellites. Everything that hangs in stationary orbits. Are you few? Syrian results are not impressive?
                2. Arkon
                  Arkon 5 October 2014 18: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Kalmar
                  I don't want to upset, but AUG has AWACS aircraft, the detection range of which is clearly greater than the Onyx launch range.


                  What relation do AWACS aircraft have to nuclear submarines?
                  1. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 5 October 2014 23: 37
                    +5
                    What relation do AWACS aircraft have to nuclear submarines?

                    To the submarine itself - no. But to the missiles launched by her - the most immediate. After all, the sooner the missiles are detected, the more time the AUG will have for their firing with available air defense systems, the less likely the missile pack to reach the target.
                    1. aleks 62
                      aleks 62 6 October 2014 13: 56
                      +1
                      .... I believe that if it comes to firing anti-ship missiles, they will also use electronic warfare .... In this case, the chances of surviving the targets are few ....
                      1. Kalmar
                        Kalmar 6 October 2014 21: 57
                        0
                        they will also use electronic warfare

                        Watching where the fight happens. If in relative proximity to their native shores, where you can attract long-range aviation, then yes, they will. True, there were rumors that there were very few of these same EW aircraft.
                        If you have to clash somewhere in the open ocean, the EW funds will be trivial for us to take. Here it is necessary to do it yourself.
                    2. Arkon
                      Arkon 6 October 2014 21: 30
                      -1
                      Т
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      After all, the sooner the missiles are detected, the more time the AUG will have for their firing with available air defense systems, the less likely the missile pack to reach the target.


                      And what will they shell them with?
                      Air-to-air missiles from airplanes?
                      Or what?
                      Aegis, as far as I know, was not tested at all for supersonic targets.
                      What will he shoot there - only God knows.

                      Aircraft DRLO needed to detect surface ships. And if the submarine shot, then the AWACS is no longer needed.
                      Late.
                      1. Kalmar
                        Kalmar 6 October 2014 22: 14
                        0
                        And what will they shell them with?
                        Air-to-air missiles from airplanes?
                        Or what?

                        And "Aegis", and explosive missiles from aircraft. Here, of course, you can talk a lot about what the amers are all bad (and what are they spending billions on?), And ours is good, but this is an overly optimistic view.

                        Aegis, as far as I know, was not tested at all for supersonic targets.

                        If you rummage through the Internet, you can find references to the fact that the SM-2 and ESSM were successfully tested on supersonic anti-ship missiles back in 2005. And so, the Aegis developers had in mind supersonic targets from the very beginning. So you shouldn't be too hopeful.

                        Aircraft DRLO needed to detect surface ships

                        Nobody forbids him to graze air targets either. And he will certainly be able to see the flock of "Granites" from a great distance. And this is additional time for air defense / missile defense.
                      2. Arkon
                        Arkon 7 October 2014 23: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Kalmar
                        Here, of course, you can talk a lot about what the Amers have all the bad things (and what are they only spending billions on?), And ours have a good one, but this is an overly optimistic view.


                        Actually, I commented on your phrase that the ARL zone in AUG is greater than the Onyx range.
                        Just this.
                        And this phrase of yours doesn’t mean anything. That is, even if they see something, they will not be able to prevent a volley.
                        And then - in your words: FIG knows how it will turn out. There are chances. And not the lowest.
                        Does anyone want to take a chance?

                        So, all of you correctly write that you can’t underestimate, etc., but only as long as they don’t have 100% confidence that they will not receive an answer, they won’t twitch.
                        And there is no 100% certainty, anyway.

                        And the AWAC is not a help.

                        Especially considering that target designation already works for us. And from 2015 will be fully assembled. All AUG at a glance.

                        Slightly late.
                        And they understand that.
                  2. nfoma80
                    nfoma80 6 October 2014 10: 58
                    0
                    Yes, this is an epic question!
                3. aleks 62
                  aleks 62 6 October 2014 13: 54
                  0
                  ..... It depends on which rocket to shoot ..... Even I hardly believe that their vaunted Aegis will repel a group attack ..... Something will break through anyway ..... And considering that not so long ago Aegis missed a simple tomahawk (she climbed into the side of the target ship), then let him laugh ....
                4. doxtop
                  doxtop 6 October 2014 14: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Kalmar
                  Well, to break through the anti-aircraft defense / missile defense with only 16 missiles - this is only with very fantastic luck.

                  Well! If it is supersonic, maneuvering and also low flying ..! ;) I think all the same, the chances are very high.
                  1. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 6 October 2014 22: 18
                    0
                    If it is supersonic, maneuvering and also low flying ..! ;) I think all the same, the chances are very high.

                    Just do not forget that one "Arlie Burke" carries about fifty anti-aircraft missiles (even more - "Sea Sparrow" 4 pieces in a Mk41 cell). And in AUG these "Berks" 2-3 pieces, no less. Plus a couple of Ticonderogs. Plus aviation.

                    In general, 16 missiles are clearly not enough. Now, if 2-3 nuclear submarines attack immediately, and even missile-carrying aircraft from the coast will connect, then there will already be a conversation.
              2. silver_roman
                silver_roman 6 October 2014 11: 20
                0
                Quote: Starley from the South
                On FIG fight with them in the open sea

                the question is not what "nafig", but what is the fact.
                But if a war starts (God forbid), then it seems to me that for some time they will try to fight without nuclear weapons. And in order to prevent their fleet from reaching our shores or at the missile launch range, it will be necessary to go "to sea". "axes" work for several thousand.
                Quote: Starley from the South
                TU-160 or TU-95MS

                Tu-160 only 16 seem to be. 95th under 50. Amers under 10 AUG (this is about 600-800 aircraft), several submarines with 154 missiles, each destroyer and cruiser carries missiles. These are thousands of Tomogawks. No matter how remarkable the S-300, S-400, Shell-C1, etc., such an amount can not be intercepted. The fleet of the Russian Federation must be strong, surrounded by 2 oceans, we have access to the Atlantic. Well, not for me to tell you. In short, you can talk a lot, but one thing is obvious. Their fleet is the strongest.
                1. nickname 1 and 2
                  nickname 1 and 2 6 October 2014 12: 48
                  0
                  Quote: silver_roman
                  everything seems to me for some time they will try to fight without nuclear weapons.


                  And our DOCTRINE!
                  the doctrine reads as follows: if there is a threat to us to lose, then we will spread an atom!

                  Now think - the time to make a decision? How many?

                  That is why no one is thinking of trying! It has long been calculated that for a long time (it's hours, or even an hour), that's how long it will last without an atom!
                  1. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 6 October 2014 22: 21
                    0
                    the doctrine reads as follows: if there is a threat to us to lose, then we will spread an atom!

                    Here, just do not forget that in the case of "smearing with an atom" the threat of losing automatically turns into a guaranteed defeat. And even if later the remnants of our troops manage to stick the Russian flag on the Capitol, very few people at home will be happy for them. And for a very short time. So in any development of events it is worth thinking VERY well before pressing the red button.
                  2. silver_roman
                    silver_roman 7 October 2014 12: 34
                    0
                    Quote: nick 1 and 2
                    the doctrine reads as follows: if there is a threat to us to lose, then we will spread an atom!

                    There is always a chance to lose, so do you think that they will immediately begin to naughty nuclear weapons? We survived the Caribbean crisis and no one pushed the red button ?!
                    In addition, I am sure that we will be able to give a decent response to the amers without nuclear weapons. Question to NATO: will they commit suicide even despite the 5th amendment?

                    Regarding the decision to launch nuclear weapons: there are 10 minutes. Yet now missile attack tracking stations are working well. A bunch in the Mediterranean has demonstrated this. That and recently satellites launched. In the complex, electronic coating is being improved. Of course there are holes ... It seems especially in the north, Kamchatka ... maybe something has already changed.
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                3. aleks 62
                  aleks 62 6 October 2014 13: 59
                  0
                  ...... Subsonic tomahawks .... RBU and 30mm caliber are just good for dealing with them ... At one time, "Tunguska" was made to fight them and very effectively ...
              3. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 6 October 2014 16: 34
                +1
                Quote: Starley from the South
                One salvo of 16 missiles outside the detection zone, the range of missiles allows, and there is no carrier group.

                There is one small problem. Her name is over-horizon target designation.
                For the effective launch of the KR DD, you need to know exactly the area where the AUG is located. In the USSR, "Legend" and a crowd of RC planes were doing this. The RF does not have ZGTSU anymore.

                And the second: according to the results of the SF exercises in the 80s, it was established: for a guaranteed defeat of the AV, following as part of the wartime AUG, you need 2 Batons and 2 SSGNs of project 670M. This is if you do not use SBCH.
                And if the fleet / air force used NWF, then any further actions are of purely academic interest - since tactical NWFs on AVU will be followed by an answer, including SSRS and torpedoes on SSGNs, and this is already a 100% transition to the threshold for using Strategic Missile Forces.
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 6 October 2014 22: 25
                  +1
                  The RF ZGTsU no longer.

                  Not so long ago, the news slipped that "Liana" was being actively commissioned. Of course, the spacecraft of this system has not yet been launched much, but the process seems to be going on (unless, of course, this is just another chatter to the public).
            2. gorge1945
              gorge1945 5 October 2014 06: 48
              +4
              Gentlemen, do not forget that the ship is iron that is controlled by people with the appropriate moral and psychological training, which is weak in hp. navy usa. An example of this is the recent incident with the frigate Donald Cook.
              1. Kalmar
                Kalmar 5 October 2014 23: 40
                +1
                An example of this is the recent incident with the frigate Donald Cook.

                You are not a case of a story about some resignation reports after flying over "Cook" by our Su-24? “Don't read Soviet newspapers before lunchtime,” that was a completely frank duck. It is reckless to underestimate a potential adversary so much.
            3. Sibom
              Sibom 5 October 2014 10: 17
              +1
              If it STARTS, the USA, Europe and we are destroyed, where will all these American fleets "NAVY"? The times of "SEA BATTLES" are over. And I think it is not reasonable to chase the number of ships.
            4. SSR
              SSR 5 October 2014 22: 07
              +1
              Quote: silver_roman
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              The US Navy is a strong adversary

              in the open sea, the Syshya fleet has no equal enemy. Nobody even stands nearby. Here, of course, the bitter truth. But on the other hand, no one will fight with them in the open sea.

              Correctly. Nefig calve, one warhead or one hundred, but at least one must be immediately all to ashes. I don’t see the point of waiting when the arrogant Saxons make a massacre by the usual methods, the children of Syria, the children of Iraq, the children of Afghanistan, the children of Libya, Africa, the Middle East, Europe and Ukraine, what are they to blame for? Only in the fact that the scavenger of the United States and their partners are habadniks, it’s just that they need little power to feed their god of the golden calf.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 7 October 2014 12: 36
                0
                I agree with you, but the states also have nuclear weapons. In this case, it is necessary to smack not only into large naval formations, but also in full on the territory of the states, on bases in Europe, Asia and the Middle East, to destroy the nuclear submarines of England and France, Israel has nuclear weapons. Do you understand the scale? There can be no half measures here. And that means fuck to humanity. And so you can shmalnut some destroyer and make it clear about your determination. Then all to write off an mine from the time of the Second World War. This has happened more than once. The same "Kursk". cattle drowned and hushed everything up ...
          2. nfoma80
            nfoma80 6 October 2014 10: 53
            0
            That's it guys! Too much difference between the potentials. The fleet needs to be built, that’s what we need, so right now we can suddenly strike, which in the best case will destroy a third.
          3. ty60
            ty60 17 March 2016 14: 08
            0
            Answer the question, how many drones capable of carrying EW KHIBIN are needed to reliably neutralize all of the above?
        2. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 4 October 2014 23: 50
          +1
          Tomahawks are not as accurate and I may be wrong, but they are intended for ground targets. And the Patriot air defense system is inferior to our counterparts in many respects. Yes, the bad news is that there are a lot of Tomahawks. This means that our air defense systems must be installed (not on Buyans) in order to be guaranteed to intercept all Tomahawks. In any case, every effort should be made to this.
      3. ABV
        ABV 4 October 2014 14: 57
        +4
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        The title photo for the article - launch of the SLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk


        !!! and RPK "Vyuga" and "Waterfall" turned out to be ballistic missiles fired from torpedo tubes ...
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      5. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 4 October 2014 17: 12
        +9
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        The title photo for the article - launch of the SLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk
        Oleg! Hello! Would give them a photo with the launch of our Grenade!
      6. Shishiga
        Shishiga 5 October 2014 08: 39
        +15
        Well then something like this
      7. kolobok63
        kolobok63 5 October 2014 12: 45
        0
        Not a fact! I think rockets of this type have similar silhouettes.
    2. Madcape
      Madcape 4 October 2014 12: 06
      +14
      These jackals from the SGA and Geyropa are simply stupid: if the USSR, with the lagging behind the electronic elementary base, could make weapons according to performance characteristics at least no worse (often better) than them, then you just have to be a fool to assume that when accessing modern computers , IT and electronic elementary base, Russia suddenly (why would it be interesting ???) will not be able to create a "disarming" weapon !!!
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 5 October 2014 11: 43
        -2
        Quote: Madcape
        and electronic base

        This is if the sanctions are lifted. Otherwise, there will be serious problems very soon. Consumables and raw materials will end
      2. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 5 October 2014 19: 10
        +4
        and who said that we have access to a modern electronic database? He is absent. Even existing factories stand still and produce almost nothing. We can boast of having our own percentages for PC Elbrus, but the plant produces less than 1000 percent a year. It is forbidden to produce more than what the state ordered. These processes were positioned as a PC for the army, state institutions of various levels, up to schools. The surplus was promised to be sold to the population. But because of the scanty volumes, the cost of a computer is in the region of 70 thousand, as a result, computers are even supplied to the army on Intel. To reduce the cost to 10 thousand, it is necessary to increase production to 2 tons. pieces per month are not allowed. But the plant is capable of producing more than 10 thousand a month. Payments under our interest are collected in CHINA. They promise to start a full cycle. but when ... And there is still a lot that we cannot do precisely because of the lack or capacity or simply production
    3. Juborg
      Juborg 4 October 2014 18: 55
      +11
      A chic article that inspires optimism and the likelihood of a bright future. I read it another 1.10.
    4. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 4 October 2014 20: 29
      +4
      More surprises good and different!
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 4 October 2014 21: 07
      +5
      What, nafig, "prohibitions"? Who does them, except for Russia?
    7. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 4 October 2014 21: 23
      +8
      For Obama, Russia, of course, is the main threat. Since for some reason he doesn’t want to become the next six in the United States.
      And even vice versa - in which case - the guaranteed destruction of any aggressor on its own territory. And if we also take into account our mentality, unpredictable for Americans, it is clear that Obama’s warlike cries merely mask his animal fear.
      1. Alexey1
        Alexey1 4 October 2014 23: 15
        +8
        At the expense of the main threat, why they put us in second place, I do not understand. We are not worthy of the first place. angry wassat
    8. wow
      wow 5 October 2014 18: 59
      +3
      Well done, damn it! More "surprises", good and different !!! Shed Obama then will not get out of the latrine.
    9. GSH-18
      GSH-18 5 October 2014 21: 14
      +1
      New Russian sea-based cruise missiles "nullify" American military power in the vast geopolitical region from Warsaw to Kabul, from Rome to Baghdad

      And this is unrealistic cool! Once again, Amers politely indicated their place (at the bucket)! And it is very pleasing that it is Russia that is doing it again. And also, it is very pleasing that our latest cruise missiles, even just being in the places of basing, can cause tantrum in the American African monkey! yes
    10. Veteran of the USSR
      Veteran of the USSR 6 October 2014 10: 11
      +2
      The article is very patriotic but not very informative. Since when did "Caliber" become one and a half thousandth? The caliber has a range against ground targets of 2600 km. ! The Caspian Flotilla should not have 9 missile ships with Caliber, but 5. The rest are armed with a naval analogue of the Grad. True, there are 2 more corvette-class ships, one of which is armed (judging by the open seal) with calibers. This turns targets from the Indian Ocean in the east to Greece and Libya in the west. With Saudi Arabia and the Horn of Africa in the south inclusive. I think that the Black Sea group of submarines and surface ships is aimed at the Mediterranean Sea and Europe. For this 6 Varshavyanka will not be enough. Two brigades of "Samum" armed with calibers and powerful medium-range air defense should be launched into the Black Sea and the Baltic.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 6 October 2014 17: 51
        +2
        Quote: USSR Veteran
        This targets targets from the Indian Ocean in the east, to Greece and Libya in the west.

        It turns, but what can these 20-30 missiles do in normal execution? Yes, and flying through foreign territories will not work in vain. And the answer will not be very pleasant either. Not to say that the ship with Aegis will detect the launch site and trajectory. In short how to beat yourself with a heel in the chest first think how and against whom you will apply
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 6 October 2014 20: 27
          0
          Quote: Pilat2009
          It turns, but what can these 20-30 missiles do in normal execution? Yes, and flying through foreign territories will not work in vain. And the answer will not be very pleasant either. Not to say that the ship with Aegis will detect the launch site and trajectory. In short how to beat yourself with a heel in the chest first think how and against whom you will apply

          Absolutely. I agree completely. After the first salvo of the vaunted Clab, all surface targets will be destroyed by the enemy squadron ships within a few minutes! It’s very likely that Clab’s missiles will also be intercepted. request Against the Navy as the only weapon, the Club will be effective only in advertising cartoons.
  2. Duke
    Duke 4 October 2014 08: 41
    +42
    Mobile-modular missile system "CLUB-K"
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 4 October 2014 12: 29
      +15
      Five new non-nuclear submarines (NAPL) of projects 06363 and 677 are planned to be included in the Russian Navy in 2015-17. At the same time, three boats will go to the Black Sea Fleet, and two to the Northern Fleet. This was reported to the ARMS-TASS correspondent on September 18 by a representative of the military-industrial complex.
      Project 06363 submarines developed by the Central Design Bureau of Marine Engineering (CDB MT) Rubin - Novorossiysk, Rostov-on-Don and Stary Oskol are being built at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg. In 2013, the Russian Ministry of Defense will begin to equip Project 971 Schuka-B and 877 Varshavyanka submarines with Caliber cruise missiles capable of hitting ground targets from a distance of 300 to 2,5 thousand km, Izvestia reports.
      A representative of the OPK, familiar with the situation, told Izvestia that the first diesel-electric submarine to be equipped with "Calibers" will be the B-261 "Novorossiysk" submarine of project 636.3, which is now being built at the "Admiralty Shipyards" in St. Petersburg, and in 2014 -2015 it will be followed by diesel-electric submarines "Rostov-on-Don" and "Stary Oskol". After that, it is planned to equip the "Varshavyanka" Project 877 diesel-electric submarines with "Caliber", primarily ships of the 165th brigade of the Northern Fleet.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 5 October 2014 21: 17
      0
      Club-k is a good layout and tactical solution (long-known). Which, however, cannot compete with the effectiveness of the latest submarine-based cruise missiles request
      1. SSR
        SSR 5 October 2014 22: 13
        +1
        Quote: GSH-18
        Club-k is a good layout and tactical solution (long-known). Which, however, cannot compete with the effectiveness of the latest submarine-based cruise missiles request

        Will you bomb each container ship? It is very effective to stoke all barges.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 6 October 2014 07: 07
          0
          Quote: SSR
          Will you bomb each container ship? It is very effective to stoke all barges.

          It's just that not every container ship will be at the launch point at the right time. And not every container ship after the time "h" can be adjusted to this point (just because they are not all Russian). Also, Club-k is inferior in performance characteristics to the new Russian underwater cruise missiles. I think that only the above is more than enough for a comparative assessment of the effectiveness hi Club-k, this is, so to speak, an addition to the main striking force, the specialized strike weapons of submarines and nuclear submarines (on which these missiles are based). Otherwise, the obamoid should have been monstrosizing Club Club for a long time, however, it has vibrated only now. request
          1. tkhonov66
            tkhonov66 6 October 2014 12: 43
            0
            "...
            It's just that not every container ship will be at the launch point at the right time. And not every container ship after the time "h"
            ..."
            .
            What about the speech!
            After all, if the radius of action of container ships increases from 300 to 1200 km, then the AREA of the permissible location of container ships by time "h" WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED. And then, after all, at the time "h" the light did not converge like a wedge? ...
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 6 October 2014 20: 13
              0
              Quote: tkhonov66
              What about the speech!
              After all, if the radius of action of container ships increases from 300 to 1200 km, then the AREA of the permissible location of container ships by time "h" WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED. And then, after all, at the time "h" the light did not converge like a wedge? ...

              Dear, listen to you, so the entire Navy can be written off for scrap, and instead of this load "Klaba" on container ships. Sorry, this is bullshit. Well, you must occasionally turn on your head. These "Klabs" (however many there will be) will never replace one or two real nuclear submarines with cruise missiles on board. Well this is a no brainer. I repeat once again, "Club" is a cut-off (due to its compact form factor) version of a normal combat missile system! As MANPADS and "Pantsyr C1" for example, for comparison.
  3. Loner_53
    Loner_53 4 October 2014 08: 49
    +20
    Well, not at all bad! Very, very not nice for (our partners) smile
    1. Lich
      Lich 4 October 2014 10: 09
      +21
      drinks

      Well, for the surprises!
      1. tasey
        tasey 4 October 2014 11: 29
        +6
        Just like Mikhalych ... Well, for luck!
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 5 October 2014 21: 21
          0
          In a fascist company, well, for the victory! For OUR victory! -Added Stirlitz soldier
  4. calocha
    calocha 4 October 2014 08: 50
    +6
    If the Americans dare to "crawl under our skin", then they will fuck around Yellowstone Park and across England, so that life does not seem like a fairy tale ...
    1. Kazakh
      Kazakh 4 October 2014 09: 23
      +11
      Quote: calocha
      If the Americans dare to "crawl under our skin", then they will fuck around Yellowstone Park and across England, so that life does not seem like a fairy tale ...

      If Yelstone wakes up, we too will not seem a little.
      1. Strezhevsky
        Strezhevsky 4 October 2014 19: 15
        +3
        Quote: Kazakh
        Quote: calocha
        If the Americans dare to "crawl under our skin", then they will fuck around Yellowstone Park and across England, so that life does not seem like a fairy tale ...

        If Yelstone wakes up, we too will not seem a little.

        Why are such victims the namesake?
        There is no need to rush, one must follow the advice of Ilyich; the capitalists themselves will sell us
        the rope on which we hang them))))
        Maybe someone didn’t see, but they gave it to us a long time ago, they solemnly handed it to us, but it’s dubious !!!
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 5 October 2014 21: 27
          0
          Quote: Strezhevsky
          There is no need to rush, you need to follow the advice of Ilyich

          Ilyich would rather think what he needs when, in the 22nd year to Kharkov, Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk, etc. attached, and not what they are sitting on! According to this, these tips you can shove yourself you know where. Here the question is more serious. Ilyich and others like them are not advisers.
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    3. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 4 October 2014 10: 09
      +15
      That the obamachka is not cheerful
      Hanging his head.
      Something you're not happy at all
      The rocket will fly in the back !!! ...
      EVERYTHING IS LOST!!! WHAT TO DO CHEF !?

      Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
      1. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 4 October 2014 10: 34
        +5
        Yes, everything is as in the article, because in the West, and especially in Washington, everyone is suspicious and think that if there is a gun, it will certainly shoot.
        That they themselves measure others!
        Well, let them worry, maybe they will write off the stocks from the experiences before.

        hover over the photo and click to enlarge
        BOBA SailorBOBA Sailor

        Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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    4. tkhonov66
      tkhonov66 6 October 2014 12: 56
      0
      Sakharov once offered a more pragmatic option.
      - at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean along the western coast of the United States there are 5-6 Sakharov's "SLOEK-acres".
      - at the moment "H" they are SIMULTANEOUSLY undermined - and the USA, together with Japan and South Korea - simply WASHES away into the sea-okiyan. The tsunami height will be about a kilometer or more.
      .
      Well - and China and our Far East, of course, will also get ... not without this ... But about a nuclear winter - it will not be. Since burning something in the territory of the USA-Japan will be very problematic ...
  5. 4445333
    4445333 4 October 2014 08: 51
    -8
    All this for peaceful purposes. And then again the Kalashnikov assault rifle turned out.
    1. demel2
      demel2 4 October 2014 12: 32
      +5
      And for peaceful purposes they will not allow us, is it not clear?
    2. them
      them 4 October 2014 17: 24
      +4
      And this is for peaceful purposes.
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 4 October 2014 17: 45
      +12
      Beauty will save the world.
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      2. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 4 October 2014 19: 55
        +7
        Quote: lelikas
        Beauty will save the world.

        Whoever didn’t see the launch of the ATGM, who didn’t launch the tracer, who didn’t see the VOG-25 getting into the iron, who didn’t shoot the tank next to them, who didn’t see the launch of the GRAD and HURRICANE, he will never understand how BEAUTIFUL it is and how destructive ...
        And if you held in your hands a dying friend mortally wounded in battle, next to you, then you will think a hundred times before you make a shot, the same shot because of which a war can begin! ...

        Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 4 October 2014 20: 35
          +2
          Quote: GRANATE-19
          Who did not see ....

          All have their own shortcomings. drinks
        2. Starik72
          Starik72 5 October 2014 00: 11
          +1
          Garnet19.Not beauty will save the WORLD, but Prudence !!! Prudence plus beauty is a great combination!
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          2. GRANATE-19
            GRANATE-19 5 October 2014 14: 45
            +1
            Quote: Starik72
            Garnet19.Not beauty will save the WORLD, but Prudence !!! Prudence plus beauty is a great combination!

            Please read my commentary to the end and think about what I was talking about, and about the same thing as you.
            Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
        3. tkhonov66
          tkhonov66 6 October 2014 13: 00
          0
          "...
          Whoever didn’t see the launch of the ATGM, who didn’t launch the tracer, who didn’t see the VOG-25 getting into the iron, who didn’t shoot the tank next to them, who didn’t see the launch of the GRAD and HURRICANE, he will never understand how BEAUTIFUL it is and how destructive ...
          ..."
          .
          - next to whom (20 meters away) "Akatsia" did not shoot ...
          8-))
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 5 October 2014 21: 33
        0
        Quote: lelikas
        Beauty will save the world.

        And what of the water position ??? belay
        It is necessary as in the picture in the article smile
    4. Technologist
      Technologist 4 October 2014 18: 56
      +2
      If you want peace, get ready for war!
  6. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 4 October 2014 08: 51
    +6
    I really want everything to be that way, but everything is at the level of speculation ...
  7. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 4 October 2014 08: 55
    +14
    An analogue of the notorious "Tomahawks". It is high time to use new weapons to fill the gaps in the defense that appeared thanks to the SMRD. And inaksh adversaries will crush. They are already splashing saliva laughing
    Go Russia!!! soldier
    1. asar
      asar 4 October 2014 10: 11
      +6
      Well done GDP! Constantly keep the enemy in suspense! Constantly introduce new items! And I am glad for equipping "Varshavyanka", honestly! Well done!
      Only in Novorossiysk there is a "bora", as in this case (not a specialist in "sea affairs") ?!
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 4 October 2014 13: 38
        +7
        Quote: asar
        Only in Novorossiysk there is a "bora", as in this case (not a specialist in "sea affairs") ?!

        Base with hidden exit and entrance, i.e. under water.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 4 October 2014 18: 39
          +5
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          Base with hidden exit and entrance, i.e. under water.
          Well, why under water! Pity the poor submariners - so they don’t see the sun for months! laughing
          But UNDER THE MOUNTAIN - "closer to the body," as Guy de Mopasant said!
          Moreover, such experience is already available in the domestic fortification (hydrotechnical) construction. Balaclava. 850 object.
          1. kyznets
            kyznets 5 October 2014 01: 37
            +5
            You would have restored our Kamchatka base "under the mountain" - Bichevinka! It seems that it was built just for "Varshavyanka". It is now in ruins.
          2. nnz226
            nnz226 5 October 2014 13: 45
            +3
            Balaklava Underground Plant:
            1) plundered during the time of independence "to zero" or bare walls.
            2) Not suitable for basing boats of the "Varshavyanka" type due to the dimensions of the latter. The canal is a curve and was built for early boats of the 613 Ave type. Already, starting from 641 Ave, submarines cannot pass through the canal (they do not fit into the curvature of the canal). So the designers and naval commanders in the 60s, starting the construction, did not take into account the growth in the size of the submarine submarine ...
            Another thing is not clear: maybe (???) the exit from the Novorossiysk port is more secretive than from the Sevastopol Bay, although the evaluation criterion is absolutely not clear. All the same, the submarine will sink in the open sea, and not in the harbor, although the depths of the Sevastopol Bay allow it to be done (depths up to 140 meters in the bay) But from the external raid of Sevastopol to the NATO countries it is several times closer than from Novorossiysk, and the Kyrgyz Republic will be delivered , if not to London, then to Rome, Prague, Warsaw easily, and if you also take a walk a little to the west along the Black Sea, then Berlin will fall under the distribution ...
      2. tkhonov66
        tkhonov66 6 October 2014 13: 02
        +1
        "...
        Only in Novorossiysk there is "bora"
        ..."
        .
        - it's all ON THE SURFACE of the sea ...
        8-))
  8. NKVD
    NKVD 4 October 2014 09: 01
    +16
    I believe Putin’s main surprise as an old intelligence officer until he
    1. asar
      asar 4 October 2014 11: 22
      +6
      Famous words of Albert Einstein: "I do not know what kind of weapon people will fight in the third world war. But I know what they will fight in the fourth - with sticks and stones."


      "Gold words"! Yes, "hawks" in the ears!
      1. gjv
        gjv 4 October 2014 15: 06
        +6
        Quote: asar
        Yes, "hawks" in the ears!

        Yes, these "hawks" at least piss in the eyes ... Warm their ears less!
        More focus on defense. Let the forgotten old (X-55, S-10 or KS-122). Though Caliber, at least call it a Caliber, and if it performs a combat mission, then what's bad? Still, the BZHRK should be sent on a working flight. Yes, and sharpening clubs on the hand, can also come in handy if the partners in boots are tied to us. Not to buy baseball bats from them, in fact ...
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  9. bootlegger
    bootlegger 4 October 2014 09: 01
    +19
    It is not very clear why this is presented as a technical breakthrough.
    Well done work, no more.
    The standard torpedo tube is adapted for a torpedo with dimensions of 7488X533 mm. and weighing 1875 kg.A cruise missile X 55 design of the 70s has the characteristics of:
    Length: 8,9 m (6,04 from other sources)
    Case Diameter:
    X-55: 0,514 m
    Wingspan: 3,1 m
    Starting weight: 1700 kg
    Warhead Power: 200 CT
    Range of flight:
    X-55: 2500 km
    If they managed to shove an analogue of the X-101 into these dimensions, then this would be a technical miracle. And so, taking into account what has been said, the official characteristics of the Caliber are probably specially underestimated, since the X 55 is already higher.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 4 October 2014 09: 19
      +2
      That's better than nothing.
    2. Iline
      Iline 4 October 2014 09: 59
      +8
      The X-55 is an air-based missile and in its original form can in no way be launched from a torpedo tube.
      - it is not completely airtight for firing from underwater position;
      - she needs time to open the stabilizers and release the wing and engine;
      - She needs time to gain flight speed, that is, from a torpedo tube it can be launched with a rocket accelerator and the declared dimensions will not allow this to be done.
      1. bootlegger
        bootlegger 4 October 2014 10: 11
        +3
        I am talking about the potential of a weapon that can be realized in certain dimensions.
        For everything that you have listed, there are technical solutions that only slightly complicate the design. They have long been worked out in many options and the difference is 1000 km., In range, an excessive fee for that.
        Even if you forget that now is not the 70s and development does not stand still.
        1. Iline
          Iline 4 October 2014 11: 35
          +10
          Quote: bootlegger
          I am talking about the potential of a weapon that can be realized in certain dimensions.

          Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. Let torpedo tubes be torpedo tubes, and launchers for missile launchers - launchers for missile launchers. And then according to your logic, if you slightly modify the pipe of the thermal power station, then from there it’s quite possible to launch Topol.
          1. bootlegger
            bootlegger 4 October 2014 11: 54
            +2
            That is, it is impossible to combine a torpedo tube with a launcher?
            But what about the Tomahawk, already 30 years ago?
            RGM / UGM-109A
            The original modification of the Tomahawk (although it was adopted later by the anti-ship TASM) is a long-range cruise missile with a nuclear warhead. The first launch of a production model was carried out in 1980, but due to lengthy refinement, the rocket was officially adopted only in 1983 [7].
            The missile had an inertial control system, complemented by the TERCOM terrain correction system. It was equipped with a nuclear warhead W-80, with a power release variable from 5 to 200 kilotons. The missile range exceeded 2500 km (the most long-range modification). The BGM-109A missiles were intended for deployment on surface ships (later designated as RGM) in ABL launchers, and on submarines (UGM modification) launched via a standard 533 mm SLT [7].
            Technically, the US Navy regarded the BGM-109A as an equally effective preventive / retaliatory weapon, since the ability to base on non-specialized carriers facilitated its deployment near enemy territory, and the detection and interception of a missile due to its low altitude was a serious problem for those existing in 1980 air defense systems.
            All BGM-109A missiles were decommissioned under START-I [sn. 2] in the early 1990s.

            And the dimensions of this modification are much more modest. The mass of 1450 kg (with CDS).
            1. Iline
              Iline 4 October 2014 14: 30
              +3
              Quote: bootlegger
              That is, it is impossible to combine a torpedo tube with a launcher?

              Can. Only in your reasoning is taken the Tomahawk, and this is not a plane-based KR. And it is possible to modify it for starting from different types of pipes, although they will be very structurally different from each other. The total will remain only the name and guidance system. RGM and UGM are essentially different missiles.
              And you don’t have to invent anything. But we have the S-10 Grenade (Navy URAI Index: 3K10, according to NATO codification: SS-N-21 SAMPSON) - a sea-based missile system with a strategic cruise missile KS-122, designed for use from 533- mm of torpedo tubes of submarines to destroy enemy administrative and industrial centers with known coordinates.
              And you want an X-55 air-launched missile dropped from a multi-position ejection system, plug it into a pipe and make it fly from an underwater position. What for the sake of a garden?
              1. bootlegger
                bootlegger 4 October 2014 15: 48
                -1
                I did not offer it.
                I just didn’t understand where the technical breakthrough was, if they couldn’t even repeat the characteristics of Tomahawk, having all the possibilities for this. Although it is possible that the true characteristics are classified.
                As for the X55, it was simply not made in a marine modification, unlike the Tomahawk.
                In the USSR, they did not save on unification, but allowed all the structures of the military-industrial complex to earn money, spurring competition, thus ...
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 4 October 2014 18: 59
            +2
            Quote: Iline
            Let torpedo tubes be torpedo tubes, and launchers for missile launchers - launchers for missile launchers.

            Sergei! Well, where have you been before !? After all, these "stupid" submarine designers (the main thing is that our "idiots", that American and English with French, German and Israeli, but Italian, "scoundrels" - there too!) - without your wise advice, absolutely everything through torpedo the devices were going to pass! But here's the trouble: the RO ranges grew and we had to do UVPV (we have UKSK), so not everything is lost!
            And the thought about the CHP pipe (!) Is very productive! Urgently patent, otherwise USers will snag, and again we will lose the priority of the discoverers !!!lol
          3. uge.garik
            uge.garik 4 October 2014 22: 26
            0
            ... and why not introduce it on floating rigs ...
      2. gjv
        gjv 4 October 2014 15: 19
        0
        Quote: Iline
        wing and engine release

        But does it seem that Motor Sich from Zaporozhye is busy with the release of the engine on the X-55? In the current conditions, will Ukraine give them back?
        And what will be the fate of the five-year contract of 1,5 billion dollars for the annual supply to Russia of up to 270 engines for the Ka-31, Ka-32, Mi-17, Mi-8 MTV, Mi-24, Mi-28 (http: / /sd.net.ua/2011/11/13/motor-sich-dvigately-vertolety-rossii.html)?
        1. Iline
          Iline 4 October 2014 18: 48
          0
          Quote: gjv
          But does it seem that Motor Sich from Zaporozhye is busy with the release of the engine on the X-55?

          You're right. That was exactly the case six years ago. But they caught on in time. Now this dependency is gone.
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    3. Andriuha077
      Andriuha077 4 October 2014 11: 22
      +1
      Quote: bootlegger
      cram into these dimensions an analog of X-101, then this
      diameter 740 mm.
      This is her club half.
      The non-nuclear version (X-101) is equipped with a warhead weighing 400kg, with two monoblock warheads, a stationary warhead and a detachable warhead (probably 2 warheads, the weight of one 150 kg, the second 150 kg + container + parachute). This makes it possible to defeat 2 targets distant from each other at 100km, one KR. Other types of warheads: penetrating or cassette.
    4. ver_
      ver_ 4 October 2014 17: 37
      0
      ... you might think that Iskander has less than 2000 km ...
    5. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 5 October 2014 00: 07
      -1
      So Caliber with diesel-electric submarines "Varshavyanka" starts from a submerged position, that's what the breakthrough is, I think! Again, the author kept silent about this.
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 5 October 2014 00: 46
        +2
        Caliber with diesel-electric submarines "Varshavyanka" starts from a submerged position, this is the breakthrough

        You would also consider the Varshavyanka's ability to submerge under water as a breakthrough. The missiles, for the launch of which the submarine must surface, are outdated half a century ago.
        1. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 5 October 2014 17: 26
          0
          Quote: Kalmar

          You would also consider the Varshavyanka's ability to submerge under water as a breakthrough. The missiles, for the launch of which the submarine must surface, are outdated half a century ago.

          So rockets start with torpedo devices, i.e. horizontal start-up and underwater, not vertical, which is much simpler. You have to be more careful.
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 5 October 2014 22: 31
            0
            So rockets are launched from torpedo tubes, i.e. horizontal launch and underwater, not vertical

            Mm, so what? The same “Los Angeles” have been able to perform such tricks since the 80s. Still nothing revolutionary.
    6. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 5 October 2014 11: 41
      +1
      You are absolutely right. According to some reports, the range of the rocket 3m 14 can reach 2500 km. But this missile is subsonic and is intended for firing at ground targets. For marine purposes, they use 3m54 in various configurations (including those with supersonic last stage), unfortunately, data are given everywhere for export performance with a range of 300 km, but I think in real life around 500.
    7. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 5 October 2014 11: 46
      0
      You are absolutely right. According to some reports, the range of the rocket 3m 14 can reach 2500 km. But this missile is subsonic and is intended for firing at ground targets. For marine purposes, they use 3m54 in various configurations (including those with supersonic last stage), unfortunately, data are given everywhere for export performance with a range of 300 km, but I think in real life around 500.
  10. KBPC50
    KBPC50 4 October 2014 09: 07
    +3
    This is great! Very useful toys for our "partners". And we will sleep more calmly! Especially useful for the countries that were in the Warsaw Pact, and super useful to know for politicians from Poland and from Germany.
  11. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 4 October 2014 09: 11
    +2
    Hello! Now for sure the Westerners will not have concern, but panic !!! hi
  12. DMB-75
    DMB-75 4 October 2014 09: 14
    +41
    ... just add nothing:
  13. killganoff
    killganoff 4 October 2014 09: 20
    +9
    Varshavyanka became the third generation of large diesel-powered submarines in the Soviet Navy
    I know diesel-electric submarines, and diesel-battery submarines are something new.
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    2. ABV
      ABV 4 October 2014 14: 15
      +2
      And how do you like this!
      quote: "The Varshavyanka of the 877th project since its inception has become the largest and most powerful non-nuclear submarine in the world, and later - the world's only non-nuclear submarine equipped with missile weapons"

      ... and ballistic missiles fired from torpedo tubes.

      and an analogue of Harpoons for submarines has long been created - "Granat", with specials. Warheads ... not everywhere you can really place ...
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 4 October 2014 19: 17
        +2
        Quote: ABV
        And how do you like this!

        Personally, I’m already tired of choosing blunders for texts on naval topics. It’s time for administrators to introduce the position of censor-corrector for the technique and terminology of the Navy. Pancake!
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 4 October 2014 17: 16
      +2
      Quote: killganoff
      I know diesel-electric submarines, and diesel-battery submarines are something new.

      Well, this is when a diesel engine is immediately driven by batteries.
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  14. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 4 October 2014 09: 26
    +4
    An increase in range from 300 to 1500 kilometers in the same dimensions indicates a completely new energy sector for the fuel used. Then the desire to install the developed Rubezh on a railway platform, perhaps one, not three as before, becomes understandable. If all this is true, then the Mace urgently needs to be redone, it has large dimensions with the same casting weight than the Trident, precisely because of the worst fuel energy. The new Mace may have extra warheads.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 4 October 2014 21: 14
      +2
      Quote: Jurkovs
      An increase in range from 300 to 1500 kilometers in the same dimensions indicates a completely new energy sector for the fuel used.

      Not. GOS changed everything. They removed the radar, set the ANN with correlation and GPS, and because this place takes up less, the fuel volume has increased, hence the range has increased.
  15. saag
    saag 4 October 2014 09: 28
    -1
    the question arises, how to aim from a submarine at a target that is over 1000 km?
    1. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 4 October 2014 09: 52
      +6
      Have you heard anything about GLONAS?
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 4 October 2014 14: 34
        +1
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        Have you heard anything about GLONAS?

        Glonas is good against the Papuans, in case of a big mess, he will be out of order during the day, as well as the ZhPS.
        And without satellite means there are enough guidance methods.
      2. saag
        saag 5 October 2014 09: 39
        +2
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        Have you heard anything about GLONAS?

        they heard, only GLONASS doesn’t bring anything anywhere, this, roughly speaking, is a box with an atomic clock and a radio transmitter, it hangs on the geostationary station from where to bring out a problem in general, whose signals are detected by the end devices and use the software to calculate the position of the object in space.
    2. Samurai3X
      Samurai3X 4 October 2014 10: 00
      +3
      Well, most likely by satellite constellations?
    3. neri73-r
      neri73-r 4 October 2014 10: 34
      +3
      The missile is being made in a complex in place with target designation systems! Or uses existing targeting equipment.
    4. tasey
      tasey 4 October 2014 11: 33
      +3
      on a call. Dudaev was crushed on a call
    5. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 October 2014 19: 54
      +3
      Quote: saag
      how to aim from a submarine at a target that is beyond 1000 km?
      The missile has been in service since the 1983 of the year, so there is not much new here. But what apparently came to replace her is worthy of attention and probably admiration.
      About the guidance system of our CRBD.
      To ensure the combat use of the Kyrgyz Republic equipped with an extreme correlation guidance system, a special computing center for the formation of the Navy was created digital terrain maps prospective theaters of operations and mission development.
      The "Granat" is equipped with an autonomous inertial guidance and guidance system with correction from a relief-metric correlation-extreme correction system. The correction system includes an on-board computer, a radio altimeter, a storage system for digital matrix maps of correction areas and flight missions. The development of onboard equipment for the guidance system and a set of technical means for preparing flight missions was carried out by the Research Institute of Instrument Engineering (Moscow). Blocks of different avionics systems are made in their own buildings.
      The ship's fire control system (KSUS) on Project 671 was called "Akatsia". However, the possibility of using Ash Grenades was also suggested. Information about the removal of these CDs from service has not yet passed.
      1. saag
        saag 5 October 2014 09: 26
        +1
        And if the target is mobile, warship, then is it just ballast?
    6. slizhov
      slizhov 6 October 2014 09: 28
      0
      :)
      I.e...
      it’s easy from the ship, but not from the water!
      Raaaz and for 1500 - in the light saw Obama's window leaf!
      and from the water - one rumble, but dark, however ...)))
  16. Prager
    Prager 4 October 2014 09: 37
    +4
    How nice to know such good news, I really wanted to have breakfast! lol
  17. Rusts
    Rusts 4 October 2014 09: 40
    +2
    I am observing the stability of the development and strengthening of the country's defense. PMC. Satisfied.
  18. Nayhas
    Nayhas 4 October 2014 09: 56
    +8
    Apart from patriotic delirium, there is nothing more to write? The funniest thing about all this is illustrated by a Tomahawk launched from a submarine, which is launched from a torpedo tube and flies at 1500 km. for thirty years already, and somehow no one declared that the Tomahawk "nullified the military power of the USSR" ...
    PS: KR 3M54, like 3M14, is a product of the USSR military-industrial complex, and if for some magazine it was a discovery, I don’t understand the respondents who support the joyful screeching, is this really news?
    1. ROD VDVshny
      ROD VDVshny 4 October 2014 10: 45
      +11
      Quote: Nayhas
      I don’t understand the respondents supporting the joyful screeching, is this really news?

      Reading the comments in VO, I hope for clarifications from specialists in those areas in which I do not know much .... in general. For my part, I try to explain what I know, what I worked with, about which I have reliable and unclassified information, where I can help to understand the "subtleties".
      As one of my teachers used to say, the professor knows almost everything ... but he leads one subject. The platoon commander knows almost nothing, but he teaches everything. lol
      If this topic and questions about firing rockets of this type "Varshavyankami" open sheet - then please, explain. Why is sarcasm here? You are welcome? drinks
      1. mpa945
        mpa945 4 October 2014 11: 00
        +8
        Hello, Vladimirovich!
        IMHO - sarcasm is not superfluous here. Dushenov - he is such an Analiteg ...
        On business. In the 80s, 671RTMK. Even with a discount on secrecy - nothing new.
        True, "thanks" to Humpback, BC-2, so passengers and rolled. At 971, by the way, too. So - the revelation did not work.
        And also IMHO: from TA - poorly effective. Few items in the "salvo", very limited ammunition. We need the Ash concept. hi
      2. tasey
        tasey 4 October 2014 11: 35
        0
        Airborne Schnicks ... all the more connecting rods. Barack does not know yet that we have more abrupt troops than the Strategic Missile Forces. But hysteria in advance.
      3. Nayhas
        Nayhas 4 October 2014 13: 04
        +6
        Quote: CONNECTING ROD VDVshny
        If this topic and questions about firing rockets of this type "Varshavyankami" open sheet - then please, explain. Why is sarcasm here? You are welcome?

        Duc and the Internet is what? "Varshavyanka" with export 3M54s in India go (even one managed to burn down), in China, Indonesia ... and not only there.
        Here are 3M54 Indians loading torpedo tubes:

        But the Chinese fishermen caught 3M54 which from the Warsaw was allowed either by the Chinese, or by the Indonesians


        The tactical CR in question in the article is the same 3M14 only with GLONASS guidance.
        In general, the progenitor of this series of KR is the 3M10 "Granat", which was equipped with a correlation seeker and special. b / h.
        1. ROD VDVshny
          ROD VDVshny 4 October 2014 13: 28
          +1
          Quote: Nayhas
          Duc and the Internet is on what?

          Duc ... and talk? fellow laughing Like VO - the Internet ...
          mpa945, Nayhas - THANKS drinks
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 4 October 2014 19: 53
            +2
            Quote: CONNECTING ROD VDVshny
            mpa945, Nayhas - THANKS

            Yes, nothing ...
            Finally. What the author of the article claims to be a "revelation" is no longer a novelty ... The rocket is undoubtedly good and necessary, but something so special that the world would not know is not in it. In general, KB "Novator" well done, albeit with a delay, but created an excellent family of missiles, keeping within rather strict restrictions on weight and dimensions ... Chelomeevites in their place would first create a giant missile launcher, and then under it a giant torpedo tube for a giant submarine ...
            The 3M54 / 14 series is what the fleet needed, it was supposed to be the only long-range anti-ship missile that would replace countless domestic CRs, but instead we see a repetition of what was passed ... than the merits ...
            Now the fleet has a real vinaigrette: Granite / Volcano / Mosquito / Malachite / Onyx / Caliber, you can’t imagine a dumber situation ... the truth was worse before, but the country was richer ...
        2. Demetry
          Demetry 7 October 2014 00: 33
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          With export 3M54 in India go (even managed to burn one), in China, Indonesia ... and not only there.

          Not a single Warsaw woman has reached Indonesia. They do not have such submarines.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 October 2014 15: 30
      +5
      Quote: Nayhas
      Besides patriotic delirium, there is nothing more to write?

      Still, the words "patriotic" and "delirium" are poorly combined with each other ... This is pseudo-patriotic delirium.
      Thanks! I already wanted to speak, but you all said for me.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 4 October 2014 18: 41
        +1
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Nevertheless, the words "patriotic" and "delirium" are poorly combined with each other ...

        I agree, it turned out too emotional ... Thank you very much.
  19. muhomor
    muhomor 4 October 2014 10: 09
    +4
    And in my opinion this is not a surprise, but a belated response to Amer’s Tomahawks in submarines. Being in the Arabian Sea, the apl with Tomahawks easily keeps Russian territory of the South-East Military District at gunpoint. And there is nothing to counteract them. Although the inaccessibility of positions in the Caspian is positive news.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 October 2014 20: 12
      +3
      Quote: muhomor
      Being in the Arabian Sea, the apl with tomahawks easily keeps Russian territory of the South-East Military District at gunpoint. And there is nothing to counteract them
      The Israelis also thought that no one would know about the launch of their missiles from the waters of Sr. sea. But after 2 minutes they were already asked: "What did you want to launch, yes or no?"
      So, a timely detected CD is a 50% success rate. The remaining 50% - for the AIA and electronic warfare funds. And then there's the "Satchel".
  20. shishakova
    shishakova 4 October 2014 10: 38
    +3
    Our President works "without hysterics", and God bless him!
    1. shishakova
      shishakova 4 October 2014 11: 48
      +1
      Thank! I love red color))
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  21. Bort radist
    Bort radist 4 October 2014 11: 00
    +12
    These brisk ships, equipped with water-jet engines, with a displacement of only 950 tons, can, if necessary, even be based on the Volga, as they are specially designed as river-sea-class vessels. But most importantly, despite their small size, they are also equipped with a Caliber missile system with eight missiles in a vertical launcher.
    The townsfolk consider the meeting with the bear the worst in the taiga. Taiga people know that there is nothing worse than a vulture (mosquito, midge, horseflies, .....). He exhausts all nerves, does not let him sleep, it is almost impossible to take refuge.
    1. Shishiga
      Shishiga 5 October 2014 10: 39
      0
      Well, these boats also have a corresponding classification "Mosquito Fleet"
  22. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 October 2014 11: 08
    +11
    Most likely, the stated performance characteristics correspond to the truth. We have an antidote for the Tomahawks, the S-300 and further, the MIG 31 was sharpened for them. And mattress makers do not have this air defense. And the massive use of such toys can really neutralize expensive floating airfields, which, in the event of a serious mess, will be exterminated from long distances. The secrecy of the placement also adds to the danger. And the number of boats that can use it, and their stealth, good diesels, of which there are many, and they are much cheaper than nuclear submarines, and suddenly turn into strategists.
    1. TiRex
      TiRex 6 October 2014 18: 02
      0
      we don’t have as many s-300 as there can fly tomahawks, and they are not designed for them, there are smaller systems against them ...
  23. ism_ek
    ism_ek 4 October 2014 11: 23
    +1
    and Russian gunsmiths managed to stuff a cruise missile with a range of 533 km into the dimensions of a 1500-millimeter torpedo tube, then this is truly a breakthrough, an outstanding achievement of the Russian defense industry!
    This is complete nonsense. There is nothing breakthrough in this. Author type in Yandex "KS-122" Granat ""
    This rocket was made in Yekaterinburg at the Novator Design Bureau since the 70s of the last century. Its range was 3000 km. Well, actually they continue to do it, only its flight range was artificially lowered to 500 km.
    1. mpa945
      mpa945 4 October 2014 11: 31
      +3
      Its range was 3000 km.
      I will clarify ... A little less and in the "strategic" version.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 4 October 2014 21: 20
      0
      Quote: ism_ek
      Well, actually they continue to do it, only its flight range was artificially lowered to 500 km

      Not entirely true. A nuclear b / h occupies an incomparably smaller volume than a high-explosive one, hence a larger fuel supply and, accordingly, a range. And the anti-ship variations of the "Pomegranate" were also equipped with the GOS radar, and this required additional volume, therefore the range fell.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 October 2014 00: 01
        0
        But nuclear is much heavier than HE, isn't it?
        So there should not be much gain in flight range ...
        1. mpa945
          mpa945 6 October 2014 10: 19
          +1
          But nuclear is much heavier than HE, isn't it?
          Just the opposite.
          Well, and for the sweet ... Thesis.
          To all-seers: Guys! It was not We who were catching up, but They. The Ax and the Pomegranate were "born" at the same time. Both did not "know how" to start vertically. True, the Ax had an anti-ship modification, but the Grenade did not. BUT: a newborn Ax, even a strategic one, flew closer than a tactical Grenade. And the Yankees had to "sharpen" it for a long time - to the characteristics of the Grenade. In the second half of the 80s, they learned vertical launch, although they "lost" the anti-ship modification. But then they began to poke VPU EVERYWHERE. Well, we "sharpened" Garnet insofar as ... Humpbacked with Elson, of course yes ... But ... Garnet is "past" the doctrine. We fought with the enemy's fleet, and the grenade is not an assistant here. And for the metropolis, our arguments were more effective. And against the fleet, it was believed, such missiles were needed - to hit on the spot, even if they did not explode. And throwing grenades at banana countries is not our method. IMHO: it was already too late in Kenya, and who then could have believed in this fantasy?
          Well, "Uryakalam". Guys! Do you really think the guys from Langley will find out the news from Dushenov? Is it news that we sell rockets with launch vehicles to narrow-eyed brothers (both)? And with the Indians, they also muddied Brahmos ... Thanks to the Indians, they insisted on the anti-ship modification. Who else would have advised the SAM into the same container "gash" - the submariners would be grateful.
          Well, realists.
          Caliber in the Black Sea Warsaw - as an option - yes. If you manage to get to the Black Sea Fleet, and Bashar asks, it is possible to pull on the bases of the IG. Even solitary. It should work. But at the Pacific Fleet, Varshavyanka with Caliber from TA is useless. Four missiles in a salvo, reloading for several minutes between salvos, no more than three salvos ... According to Iwo Jima? By AUG in the anti-ship version? Not effective and counterproductive. IMHO - you need to put at least two, and preferably four Yasenevsky mines. Then maybe.
          So what, in fact, pleases ... The fact that for some time, created a single set of weapons that can solve VARIOUS tasks and can be used from almost any marine carrier. Both surface and underwater.
          IMHO: but SAM would still not hurt.
  24. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 4 October 2014 11: 36
    +1
    It is optimal to deploy the construction of small submarines of the Amur-950 and Amur-750 classes at the Sormovsky plant, placing them in all fleets. And most importantly, no damn ... va with the business of such systems. This will be the most effective contribution to strengthening defense.
  25. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 4 October 2014 11: 36
    +2
    Quote: killganoff
    Varshavyanka became the third generation of large diesel-powered submarines in the Soviet Navy
    I know diesel-electric submarines, and diesel-battery submarines are something new.

    also laughed lol
  26. sasha_cho
    sasha_cho 4 October 2014 12: 01
    0
    I didn’t understand something, please explain ____ American tomahawks were put into service in 83 and its various modifications were fired at a distance of 2500 km ___ In turn, our Caliber was fired at just 300 km ????? And what are these new long-range missiles))) that hit 1500 km
    we are simply thrown with tomahawks before we approach the firing range with our new cruise missiles_Do we have anything with similar characteristics as a tomahawk? I do not consider ballistic missiles
    1. mpa945
      mpa945 4 October 2014 12: 31
      +3
      I didn’t understand something, please explain ____ American tomahawks were put into service in 83 and its various modifications were fired at a distance of 2500 km ___ In turn, our Caliber was fired at just 300 km ????? And what are these new long-range missiles))) that hit 1500 km
      we are simply thrown with tomahawks before we approach the firing range with our new cruise missiles_Do we have anything with similar characteristics as a tomahawk? I do not consider ballistic missiles

      Caliber is a complex that has several modifications of missiles. Antiarable - the most "short-stroke". It should be compared with Harpoon (anti-ship tomahawk - rested in Bose). In this case, the Harpoon is subsonic, and the Caliber ...
      Subsonic CR Caliber can be both with ordinary and with SBN. Accordingly, the payload mass is different. At Tamagawk - everything is the same. New in Caliber is the ability to launch from VPU, unlike its predecessors, launched only from TA. As, however, and the Tomahawks.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 4 October 2014 19: 22
      0
      Quote: sasha_cho
      In turn, our Caliber bullet is only 300 km ????? And what are these new long-range missiles))) that hit 1500 km

      This is actually the same "Caliber", current without ARLGSN, and therefore the range increased because ARLGSN occupied a lot of space inside. ANN / GPS / correlation have a much smaller volume and the amount of fuel can be increased.
      Quote: sasha_cho
      American Tomahawks adopted in the year 83 and its various modifications are fired at a distance of 2500 km

      This is he with special. b / h flew, with a high explosive 1600 km. flies ...
      By the way, the last version of the Ax can be retargeted right in flight and hit moving targets.
  27. Signaller
    Signaller 4 October 2014 12: 06
    +1
    Young is still the author. Definitely.
    “Well, what's wrong with that?”, Asks an inexperienced reader.
    ASROK- torpedo-rocket capable of starting from a depth. She is already 40 years old, if not more. In the US Army. And what do We have to do with it ??? Well, thank God. Although there are enough others.
  28. Russian_Bear
    Russian_Bear 4 October 2014 12: 11
    0
    Glory to domestic gunsmiths!
    Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!
    1. Signaller
      Signaller 4 October 2014 12: 27
      -8
      Glory to the morons that our fleet is armed with torpedoes of the 60th year. HOORAY....
      1. Signaller
        Signaller 4 October 2014 18: 56
        +1
        And I wrote this. This is someone. Even the most interesting who ???? Above, yes, but this ?????
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 4 October 2014 20: 26
        +2
        Quote: Signaller
        Glory to the morons that our fleet is armed with 60 torpedoes of the year.
        Well, why so? Not good, however.
        What can you say about UGST, aka "Physicist-1"? And we don’t know something, and if we do, it’s not always possible to grind with our tongue !!!
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  29. givigor71
    givigor71 4 October 2014 12: 13
    0
    And there will probably be many more surprises ... wink
  30. Rodriques
    Rodriques 4 October 2014 12: 25
    0
    Quote: ism_ek
    This is complete nonsense. There is nothing breakthrough in this. Author type in Yandex "KS-122" Granat ""
    This rocket was made in Yekaterinburg at the Novator Design Bureau since the 70s of the last century. Its range was 3000 km. Well, actually they continue to do it, only its flight range was artificially lowered to 500 km.

    Salvage decides who is closer to the body, and they launch rockets, everything, as always, this trend is very clearly visible on the example of small arms smile
  31. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 4 October 2014 12: 38
    +3
    I’ll add to all the amenities that Qatar and, in fact, the Persian Gulf overlap with such products from the South Caspian. It is necessary to conduct exercises in the foreseeable future in the said bay together with Iran and accordingly confirm the quality of OUR PRODUCTS in front of Qatar and the US Navy base there. Using a volley of products in 5 units, namely our brand new Buyans. Iran will be glad that there is more than one and this adds +++ to us, it’s useful to me that I’m changing the strategic balance and us as the USSR will not be rubbed behind the fence. The main thing is to choose the right political moment. Ideally, to attract India at the same time but in the waters of the Indian Ocean.
  32. Alexander
    Alexander 4 October 2014 12: 40
    -1
    Well, and what kind of rocket is this? There is no caliber with such a range.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 October 2014 17: 18
      -1
      As I understand it, this Caliber (Club) redone
      under Glonass. Instead of the heavy old radar, apparently
      added fuel for the engine and this increased
      range of flight.
      But three times? Too much.
  33. silver169
    silver169 4 October 2014 13: 23
    +1
    So now let the black-assed P.I.D.O.D. amoeba (Obama)) bite himself with anger for ya!
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 6 October 2014 11: 35
      0
      Quote: silver169
      So now let the black-assed P.I.D.O.D. amoeba (Obama)) bite himself with anger for ya!

      a common misconception that the whole root of evil lies in Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. This poor fellow is not happy that he was running. Dude turned gray, soon will turn white altogether. He is just a pawn. Do you think he wants to fight in Syria, Iraq, to ​​confront the Russian Federation or China? They put enormous pressure on him.
      The role of President Syshya in geopolitics is the same - he is the mouth of the powers that be.
      Once he listened to Andrei Fursov, he quoted a certain Andrei Markeyev:
      “There are the owners of the Game. They write the rules.
      There are players who play exclusively by these rules, but carry on independent activities.
      There are assistant players and pieces.
      So the task of the owners of the game and the players to create an impression among the figures that they are players !!!
      Therefore, it is customary to deny the existence of game owners and players.
      There is none of them!!!!"
      So that you understand, the figures mean presidents and other Pawns !!!!
  34. Greendragon1864
    Greendragon1864 4 October 2014 13: 41
    +3
    the whole Russian military-industrial complex needs such "surprises"
  35. Arkan
    Arkan 4 October 2014 13: 56
    0
    PS Yes, again: something elusive tells me that this is not the last surprise ...


    It was the Washington vets who pumped the macaque with some rubbish, so that he would be at the UN Security Council, expressed their fear and concern.
  36. Kalmar
    Kalmar 4 October 2014 14: 24
    +3
    What is the title of the article? It feels like Putin personally made these missiles and put them in Varshavyanka. Anyway...

    The news, in general, is good, but I see no particular reason for rejoicing.

    Well, yes, our gunsmiths finally managed to catch up with the Americans, making an analogue of the "Tomahawk". How many years have not passed? Well, yes, now we have as many as 72 such missiles floating in the Caspian (in the distant future), which will allow us to threaten someone from there. Well, yes, the capabilities of our fleet in terms of strikes along the coast will increase; here it is important not to think about who you plan to hit. And also not to remember how many similar missiles are dragged on board by a single Orly Burke (I am already silent about their converted Ohio with Tomahawks).

    A separate question is when these miracle missiles will enter the fleet in tangible quantities. And then, for example, the same Onyxes have long been developed and even theoretically scare our Western friends, but how many ships of the Russian Navy are actually armed with them? One, it seems - MRK "Nakat" pr. 1234.7.

    In general, while the surprise is unconvincing, unfortunately.
    1. PM9mm
      PM9mm 4 October 2014 15: 43
      0
      Quote: Kalmar
      It just feels like Putin personally made these missiles and put them in Varshavyanka

      And who should "stick" as not the commander-in-chief, sorry for the pun winked

      Quote: Kalmar
      Well, yes, now we’ll have 72 such missiles floating in the Caspian (in the distant future), which will allow us to threaten from there it’s not clear to anyone

      As practice shows, you need to be prepared to repel attacks from any direction, because the former "friends" can become enemies tomorrow, if the Slavic brothers were forced to jump in ecstasy like monkeys, then what to expect from others? According to your logic, the Strategic Missile Forces should be abolished, at whom are we going to shoot nuclear weapons? And we don't need a fleet, friends are around!
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 4 October 2014 16: 17
        +3
        And who should "stick" as not the commander-in-chief, sorry for the pun

        Well, specifically, the military-industrial complex engineers "shove" from the submarine. The role of the commander-in-chief so far boils down to rattling the hypothetical possibility of someday getting hold of these missiles. Was it worth mentioning it at all in the article, one asks.

        As practice shows, you need to be prepared to repel attacks from any direction, because the former "friends" can become enemies tomorrow

        I don’t argue, in the Caspian littoral states these missiles will cause a certain anal itch. But in the article, again, the emphasis was placed on the confrontation with the United States. And here I don’t see yet what exactly Putin’s surprise was to frighten, or at least surprise, our sworn friends.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 October 2014 21: 00
      +3
      Quote: Kalmar
      Well, yes, our gunsmiths finally managed to catch up with the Americans, making an analogue of the "Tomahawk". How many years have not passed?
      Is everything as obvious as you write? Indeed, a feature of our leaders is such a quality as upsetting the adversary at the most inopportune moment for him. Because unlike amers, we do not shout, but silently do! Do not believe? - in vain!
      Here are the facts:
      - Tomahawk Adopted in March 1983 year.
      - Rocket complex S-10 "Granat" adopted for service on December 31, 1983 (in April 1984 according to other data and in 1985 according to the data of the Nenoksa test site). By the end of 1988, according to Western data, about 100 3M10 Granat missiles were deployed on the submarines of the USSR Navy, and so on.
      But they began to talk about them when they began to bake.
      Apparently this is our national fun - to upset the States at the most inappropriate, the last moment.
      So it was with the plans for the nuclear bombing of the USSR "Incredible", "Drop Shot" and others.
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 4 October 2014 22: 00
        +2
        Because unlike amers, we do not shout, but silently do!

        Judging by the fact that we are discussing these missiles here, they are obviously not being made silently. And the fact that they started talking about them without even starting to produce them leads to sad thoughts: this whole talking room is aimed at us, not at the Amers. It doesn’t scare them (but why are they afraid?), But they reassure us: they say, there is still gunpowder in the powder flasks (even if only in theory).

        So, I’m afraid that all this chagrin of the United States about Putin’s surprises happens more in the minds of ordinary people than in reality. Alas.
  37. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 4 October 2014 15: 12
    0
    Surprise in Russian for the Hysterical American Abama living in Barack and unnecessarily for all two-faced litter of the United States.
  38. Brummbar
    Brummbar 4 October 2014 15: 30
    0
    Yes, everyone understands that increasing the range of any rocket is a matter for technicians and engineers. (Even I understand how it works)
    1. PM9mm
      PM9mm 4 October 2014 15: 59
      -1
      This, sorry, a no brainer. However, without public procurement and public procurement there is little sense from engineers. That is, there must be political will and financial ability to equip the troops with new equipment. Only after that do engineers come into play. In the 90s there was a lot of sense from our talented gunsmiths, if the army and navy were scored at the highest level ?!
      An example of such a relationship: http://topwar.ru/59562-ukraina-lishila-sebya-vozmozhnosti-proizvodit-nekogda-pop
      ulyarnye-vo-vsem-mire-plavayuschie-transportery.html
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 4 October 2014 16: 25
        +2
        However, without public procurement and public procurement there is little sense from engineers. That is, there must be political will and financial ability to equip the troops with new equipment. Only then do the engineers come into play.

        I only allow myself to note that to make a politically strong-willed decision to buy something there is, in essence, a momentary matter (moreover, that this decision can then be canceled, if that). And finance in the case of the Russian Federation is a completely solvable question (especially if you convince the bureaucrats not to steal at least a year with the current pace ...).

        But the "little good" from engineers is years of painstaking work, research and research. No political will can replace this, just like finances (except to buy the fruits of the labors of foreign engineers - but this is a completely different song).
        1. PM9mm
          PM9mm 4 October 2014 16: 52
          +2
          I agree that talented designers are the most valuable personnel, "nurtured" for decades by "schools" in various design bureaus. However, I disagree with the fact that finance and government. support is something "momentary" and always "decided", that is, things that are taken for granted. Is it not this "momentary" that stretched over the last 20 years of "democracy"? Where was the funding? And how many Soviet scientists and specialists have left for the hill and are now creating weapons for Uncle Sam and his company? Everyone wants to eat, every day. Therefore, I believe that mediocrity, first of all, should not be in the leadership, among the "bureaucrats", and also among the techies, of course. Then we will slide into the flood.
  39. Starik72
    Starik72 4 October 2014 16: 03
    +2
    Dear forum users! We’ve been ruined for more than 20 years, and YOU want to restore our former power overnight when we were afraid and respected by us. This article was written so that our brains would not be rusted and we would not forget how to think and draw conclusions. complex, and we don’t know the armies. Everything is done quietly and not noticeably in this matter, and in my opinion it’s done splendidly. So just give me a deadline, there will be YOU and a squirrel and a whistle. We are not very strong yet, but everything is done to ensure that become a powerful and respected state. Time is the factor that we need, but it is not enough.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 October 2014 21: 26
      +2
      Quote: Starik72
      Time is the factor we need

      Bravo! Old man, this was the best and most balanced comment I read in the evening! It’s a pity he just has a military-political aspect. On military-technical issues, with the departure of korefeev it became noticeably worse! It's a pity!!! Although, we still love the site and are chained to it by an invisible chain! IMHO
    2. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 5 October 2014 00: 33
      0
      But time works for us! The Mercans are now a little tricky with new developments, there aren’t enough grandmas, so after 5 - 7 years at the current pace, they will lag far behind. They are still stronger in quantity and in some places in quality, but for now. Soon they will lose their quality superiority on all counts if we ourselves do not ditch everything!
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 5 October 2014 00: 52
        -1
        Merkans are now a little taut with new developments, there aren’t enough grandmas

        Yeah, they are building an aircraft carrier for 16 lard ("Ford", or whatever it is), a destroyer for 2 lard. And they also saw LRASM quite successfully, combat lasers (there are also successes), etc. etc.
        I wish we were so "lacking" money and new developments as they do :)
  40. MAX2014
    MAX2014 4 October 2014 16: 46
    -1
    I agree with everything. In addition to UNIFICATION, after all, look at the UNIVALIZED Mace with Topol. It is a missile of the previous generation, with an throwing weight of 1150 against 1350 for TRIDENT 1 and inferior in range to Trident 2.
    So leave for the time being a mass of liquid rockets.
    And one more MIT and sea missiles are INCOMPATIBLE, it’s better to pass this matter to Makeev’s GRC, so I think they have much more experience in creating SLBMs.
    1. saag
      saag 5 October 2014 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: MAX2014
      better hand over this case to Makeev’s GRC, so I think they have much more experience in creating SLBMs.

      Well, this is a budget-saving business, so it’s unlikely
  41. Tima
    Tima 4 October 2014 17: 44
    +1
    All-! Now Psaki’s brain (if any) will explode!
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 4 October 2014 18: 16
      0
      Quote: Tima
      All-! Now Psaki’s brain (if any) will explode!

      Tima, what kind of brains does Psaki have if she constantly sends the 6th American fleet to the shores of Belarus ... wassat
  42. duchy
    duchy 4 October 2014 18: 43
    0
    Well friends, we can say - "West and Obamka" with SURPRISE, you itch. laughing
  43. Epizikl
    Epizikl 4 October 2014 19: 21
    +1
    Excited - so afraid!
    Afraid - that means respect!

    Finally!
    After many years of humiliation and bullying ...
    Russia rises to its proper place !!!
  44. PRO100CCCP
    PRO100CCCP 4 October 2014 20: 09
    +1
    We saw Buyan on the Volga this summer. It looks really lively, it’s hard to put it even in words, we thought even then that it looks very futuristic, it turns out that it really is from the future))
  45. NAPOLEON
    NAPOLEON 4 October 2014 20: 25
    0
    "Putin personally headed the Military-Industrial Commission" also personally supervised the Olympic construction lol
    1. Old warrant officer
      Old warrant officer 5 October 2014 01: 35
      +2
      The whole world has seen the result of the Olympics, is something you not comfortable with?
  46. NEXUS
    NEXUS 4 October 2014 20: 30
    +2
    Putin spoke two months before about the surprise that is being prepared for the insolent Europe and America ... the news is really joyful and at the same time dumbfound everyone! And I agree with the author that there is a feeling that the news is not the last ... well, pretty smiling, wait.
  47. pvv113
    pvv113 4 October 2014 20: 30
    +3
    this surprise is not the last ...

    Honestly - I love surprises! And the mood immediately jumped up! good
  48. I think so
    I think so 4 October 2014 20: 49
    -2
    So what's the "surprise"? Russia barely managed to ensure PARITY IN THE NEAR ITS (!) BORDERS! And this is passed off as a "surprise" ... I understand that a REAL SURPRISE for a p.i.d.d.so.o. in would be the deployment of similar missiles NEAR THEIR TERRITORY ... then YES IT WOULD BE a serious challenge ... And so after so many years of the collapse of the army, Russia ONLY BEGUN TO RETURN the positions that the Soviet Union had ... moreover, the level of the Soviet Union in the military question, Russia IN PRINCIPLE CANNOT REACH ...
  49. AKS-U
    AKS-U 4 October 2014 21: 01
    0
    The fleet began to wake up, it pleases.
  50. AKS-U
    AKS-U 4 October 2014 21: 06
    +1
    In October, tests of the new rifle are to be completed. They select an automatic machine for the "Ratnik" protective complex. At the finish line AK - 12 and AEK - 971. And there are some progress.
    Something will happen. Let's wait.
    1. Wolka
      Wolka 6 October 2014 05: 26
      +1
      for me, so AEK-971 is better than AK-12 in all respects, the Kovrovites clearly rule here ...