Australia ordered Thales Australia F90 rifles

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Currently, the main rifle weapons Australian Army is an F88 Austeyr automatic rifle. This weapon, created on the basis of the Austrian machine gun Steyr AUG, has been used by the troops since the late eighties. The characteristics of the F88 Austeyr rifle generally suit the Australian military, but the process of replacing these weapons with newer ones has already begun. A few days ago there was a message about signing a contract for the production of new weapons.



24 September, Jane's news agency reported that the Australian Department of Defense and Thales Australia have signed a contract for the initial production of the new F90 rifles. In accordance with this agreement, Thales Australia must prepare for full-scale production of new weapons. The next contract, during the execution of which the army will begin to receive the necessary amount of weapons, is planned to be signed in the middle of next year.

The new agreements imply the supply of F90 rifles in several versions, including those equipped with Steyr SL40 grenade launchers. Over the past few months, both weapons have been tested in different conditions. Tests of an automatic rifle were completed in April of this year, a grenade launcher - in June. The tests used several rifles of the new model, produced at the factory Thales Australia in the city of Lithgow. During the tests, more than one million rounds of ammunition were spent, which made it possible to find out the strengths and weaknesses of the new weapon, as well as conduct all the necessary research. As follows from the latest events, the F90 rifle completely satisfied the customer.

The new automatic rifle for the army of Australia has developed the Australian division of the international company Thales. The aim of the project was to create a new small arms, which should replace the aging rifles F88 Austeyr, used since the mid-eighties. The F90 rifle was first demonstrated in the middle of the 2012 year. It was reported that the mass production of these weapons could begin in the next few years. Last news They say that rifle production starts approximately after 2,5-3, after the first demonstration.

To simplify the development and production of a new rifle F90, it was decided to create on the basis of the existing F88. So, in the process of creating the project was called EF88 (Enhanced F88 - "Improved F88"). Subsequently, the project index was changed to F90. It should be noted, the new automatic rifle F90 is another type of small arms, created on the basis of the Austrian rifle Steyr AUG. The currently used rifle, the F88 Austeyr, was a licensed copy of the AUG with some modifications. F90, in turn, is its deeply modernized version.



The Thales Australia F90 rifle is a further development of the Steyr AUG, but has some notable differences. First of all, the Australian designers abandoned interchangeable barrels, allowing in a relatively short time to re-equip weapons for the use of different cartridges. The basic version of the rifle F90 is equipped with a rifled barrel length 508 mm. There is a modification of the F90 Carbine with a trunk shortened to 407 mm. Both barrels are equipped with slit flame arresters. The new Australian rifle, unlike its Austrian prototype, does not have a front vertical grip. Instead, under the barrel is a universal Picatinny rail, on which you can install the necessary equipment. It is also proposed to use to hold weapons when firing.

The plastic bed has undergone significant changes. For example, on the upper surface of a plastic receiver, above the windows for ejection of spent cartridges, a small comb appeared, which provides greater convenience for the application of weapons. The contours of the box and safety bracket connected to the pistol grip are noticeably changed. For ease of use of the weapon and the installation of additional equipment, several standard Picatinny bars are provided. One of them is located under the barrel, the other - above it. The second strap extends from the front of the barrel housing to the middle of the receiver. Finally, on the side surfaces of the front openwork design protecting the trunk, there are two more strips.

The F90 automatic rifle is designed to be used only on the NATO 5,56x45 mm cartridge. The possibility of replacing some units for the use of other ammunition is not provided. Ammunition is carried out from detachable shops on 30 cartridges.

The overall design of the F90 rifle matches the architecture of the base Steyr AUG. It uses vapor-automatic, and also has a trigger mechanism of the original design. The latter does not have a separate translator of fire, and the choice of the mode is made by the force of pressing the trigger. When not fully pressed, the rifle shoots single, with a full turn. According to reports, some changes have been made to the design of the firing mechanism, due to the ease of manufacture and operation. An important innovation is the slide lag, which was absent on previous rifles of the AUG family, which became the prototypes of the new F90.

The F90 rifle in the basic version has a total length of 802 mm and weighs 3,4 kg. Thus, the new rifle on the 0,5 kg is lighter than that used in F88 troops. When installing a regular grenade launcher, new weapons on the 1,6 kg are lighter than the old ones.



Especially for the F90 automatic rifle, a sub-barrel SL40 grenade launcher caliber 40 mm was developed. This weapon is charged from the treasury and has a moving barrel. An interesting feature of this grenade launcher is the trigger mechanism and body design. The trigger of the grenade launcher is placed in the rear part of its body and, when a grenade launcher is mounted on the rifle, passes through a special slot in the trigger guard. Thus, the controls of the rifle and the grenade launcher are concentrated in one place, which increases the usability of the weapon.

On the upper Picatinny rail any compatible sights can be mounted. Trijcon ACOG systems with an increase of 1,5x or 3,5x are offered as a base sight. If necessary, the shooter can replace this sight with any other.

A few days ago, a contract was signed for the initial production of new automatic rifles Thales Australia F90. By next year, the Australian army should receive a certain amount of new weapons, and its mass production will unfold in about a year. It is noteworthy that even before the start of the full-scale construction of new rifles, the Australian branch of Thales began searching for new customers. According to some reports, the F90 rifle is offered to the French armed forces, where in the future it will be able to replace the existing FAMAS rifles. In addition, in the near future may receive information on new proposals and negotiations.


On the materials of the sites:
http://janes.com/
http://lenta.ru/
http://world.guns.ru/
http://i-mash.ru/
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  1. +15
    29 September 2014 09: 37
    Europeans and Anglo-Saxons love themselves. In the sense that creating weapons, they take care of ergonomics. Adjustable stocks, trims, sights as standard. To our gunsmiths a note.
    1. +1
      29 September 2014 20: 41
      does the automation look just awesome when our designers will do something similar ????
      1. +2
        30 September 2014 06: 07
        Our characteristics are more important than "looks". And where can you get to from the Kalash, his silhouette is unchanged, he has already been drawn on the flags of countries :)
  2. +6
    29 September 2014 09: 41
    What can not be taken away from imported weapons is the appearance and finish. Everything sparkles and shines. The quality of processing parts and material is high. The rest ... so far in terms of reliability and performance no one has been able to surpass the product of Grandfather Misha. He is already gone, and the glory of his brainchild is booming around the world.
    I hope the new Kalashnikov has already been born and will soon please us with his work.
    1. +4
      29 September 2014 11: 25
      Quote: erased
      What can not be taken away from imported weapons is the appearance and finish.

      the culture of production is on top ... and excellent ammunition cartridges (((308 Win (7.62 × 51), 300 Win Mag, .338 Norma Mag, 338 Lapua Mag and others)))

      we in Russia need new plants for the production of modern gunpowder and cartridges ... otherwise the FSB and others ... specialists use imports ...

      Yes, and the ORSIS T-5000 rifle, under the NATO caliber and ammunition ...
      caliber-7,62x51 308 Win, 338 Lapua Magnum ...

    2. +3
      29 September 2014 16: 30
      What can not be taken away from imported weapons is the appearance and finish. Everything sparkles and shines.


      Therefore, in computer games, I choose all sorts of m4 and hk416, and if you ever have to defend my life and arms with weapons, where the situation is decided by milliseconds and little things - I will choose a shabby Kalash of the year 90, which has been carefully looked after all this time. Reliability is more important than fashion stray.
    3. +7
      29 September 2014 17: 43
      Quote: erased
      What can not be taken away from imported weapons - appearance and decoration ...


      Price issue fellow



      For fun - who knows what it is? wink (in original)

      1. +1
        29 September 2014 18: 08
        SVD or Mosinka.
        1. +4
          29 September 2014 18: 22
          Quote: erased
          ... or Mosinka.






          And here is another option fellow

          1. +2
            29 September 2014 19: 57
            Mosinka

            And here is another option

            It's even cooler
            1. +2
              29 September 2014 20: 36
              Cool tuning! Just awesome!
            2. +1
              29 September 2014 23: 59
              1500 meters earlier and per km was already considered fiction
      2. 0
        29 September 2014 22: 04
        What can not be taken away from imported weapons - appearance and decoration ...

        but what about tuning AK ...
        1. +2
          29 September 2014 22: 36
          Best the enemy of the good. The top photo is an example of this. Busting is harmful. If it also works out at the shooting range, what will happen to the machine gun after a couple of days of work in the field, city, mountains? So much dirt and dust will fill under the awning that you have to disassemble everything. The body kit should not be large. Specialists from different ... offices prefer to tune to a minimum, so to speak. Handle, butt, if the sight, then the smallest in weight and size. For with weapons you must run, walk, burp, crawl. But the machine is still not a mobile phone, not glasses - you can’t hide it in your pocket, you won’t fasten it to your forehead.

          Regarding the video about the mosquito - there was a tuned carbine in 1944, if I correctly examined it. Moreover, there are two samples. Very reliable and accurate thing. I would take that for myself.
        2. 0
          29 September 2014 22: 56
          After such "tuning" to each trunk it is necessary to attach an additional "housekeeper" to clean and pick out dirt from all these holes and slots. Not for extras all this stuff. "We swam, we know." You can still agree with the fire control handle, but everything else must be left to a specialist.
  3. avt
    +2
    29 September 2014 10: 00
    Wow, what Australopithecus and Austrians are stupid! laughing They grabbed onto an old rifle and don't want to do anything new! Well, they don’t read the comments of our "experts" demanding to remove the Kalash from all museums! They are working on modernization. Well, stupid! wassat
    Quote: erased
    I hope the new Kalashnikov has already been born and will soon please us with his work.
    Well, you are calling! Exactly some kind of self-madekin will invent a hand-held linear accelerator for throwing antiparticles from a multiply-charged store! Just give our will, not everyone else was dedicated to the manager through the EG laughing .
    1. 0
      29 September 2014 10: 13
      rifles Thales Australia F90


      it's a step back compared to the modular F88 Austeyr ...
      change of barrels and caliber, increases the logistic flexibility of weapons ...

      even the high-precision Remington sniper rifles (PSR) have interchangeable barrels...
      1. avt
        +7
        29 September 2014 10: 34
        Quote: cosmos111
        it's a step back compared to the modular F88 Austeyr ...
        change of barrels and caliber, increases the logistic flexibility of weapons ...

        For some special police unit and, in general, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, when in a short time with peaceful logistical support and in a police operation, it is possible, but all this booby with modularity for an army soldier in the field, and even the "logistical flexibility" of providing massively replaceable barrels and cartridges of army units fighting conditions somewhere in Afghanistan ... wassat Here's a campaign the Australians in peacetime ate this very "logistics flexibility" and decided - well, fuck it ....
        Quote: cosmos111
        even the high-precision Remington sniper rifles (PSR) have interchangeable barrels ...

        Note - sniper, for quite a specific fighters of special forces, but not as a standard weapon for a "line" fighter. Not at all Marksmans, for example, amers have a reincarnation of M-14. So what? The SVD has a replaceable barrel for ,, logistics flexibility "put?
        1. +3
          29 September 2014 10: 53
          Quote: avt
          For some sort of special police unit and the Ministry of Internal Affairs in general, when in short with peaceful rear support and in the conditions of a police operation it’s possible, yes, but all this bodyagi with modularity for an army soldier in the field


          I post that for specialists and a professional army ... such weapons are contraindicated to conscripts in 1 year .... we will not argue about the accuracy and reliability of this weapon ???
          and logistics, it’s only increasing ... for each task, you don’t need to carry other weapons with you, you just need to change the barrel ...
          and if there is only 7,62x39 of ammunition, and you have AK-74, which now often happens in the war in Ruin ..
          and what to guess ... first it is necessary that the Shashi create and test the entire complex in the war ... the modern war of 2014 !!!
          1. +1
            29 September 2014 11: 13
            YES, PS: in order to master the production of a given rifle complex-modular rifle ...
            it’s necessary to change, to master new technologies at our weapons factories ((((MIM-technologies to master the production of high-quality plasmass, etc.)))) but it seems that with the change of management of IZHMASH, things have moved from a dead-stagnant point ...

            MIM "Metal Injection Molding" - this is the technology for manufacturing parts by pressing a special mixture consisting of metal powder and filler into a mold using an injection molding machine ...
            the advantage of the "MIM" technology is that it has a high dimensional accuracy and strength, as well as the manufacture of parts in mass volumes at a low cost ...
            and now with : http: //www.info18.ru/index.php? option = com_info18 & task = newsview & id = 13732 & Itemid =


            %2087


            The Kalashnikov arms concern, part of the Rostec state corporation, is acquiring 51% of the Sintez-PD group, the only Russian manufacturer of metal products using MIM technology (Metal Injection Molding; injection molding). This is stated in the message of "Rostec".
            The transaction amount will be more than 250 million rubles., The closure is planned before the end of June 2014. The concern intends to acquire the package using its own and borrowed funds.

            spheres of application of MIM technology:
            1. automotive industry (fuel injection system, active safety systems, door electric motors)
            2. guns (sighting strips, fuses, triggers)
            3.computers and office equipment (printer heads, carriages)
            3.Medical instrument (surgical instrument, orthodontic braces, bridges)
            4. Precision engineering, instrumentation (impellers of pumps, presser feet of sewing machines, cases and watch parts)
            5. aerospace industry. etc.
            1. +8
              29 September 2014 11: 54
              Regarding modularity, for ordinary troops, for ordinary infantrymen, modularity is not particularly needed. If we talk about the options for trunks for AUG, this is a standard trunk, a shortening weighted with bipods for RP, a sniper barrel and a trunk for 9x19 pairs. Which of the following trunks might an ordinary infantryman need? Suppose a standard barrel + barrel under 9x19 (normal for field conditions, for cleaning buildings 9x19). So the fighter needs to carry 2 barrels and 2 ammunition with him. A dubious prospect ... as for me, it’s better then the standard barrel and more cartridges for it
              1. +7
                29 September 2014 12: 20
                Dear you forgot 2 more mine shafts hi
                1. +2
                  29 September 2014 15: 22
                  Quote: vomag
                  Dear, you also forgot 2 hi shop mines

                  Yeah you're right thanks hi
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                0
                30 September 2014 11: 23
                Instead of the PKK, AK, and SVD, you can use one platform. Set a heavy barrel, bipod, a store with a larger capacity - here's a light machine gun. Heavy, elongated barrel, optics, bipod - self-loading rifle for medium distances.

                Ammunition and weapons are immediately simplified. By the way, maintainability of modular weapons is higher. And unification.
          2. avt
            +1
            29 September 2014 11: 25
            Quote: cosmos111
            I post that for specialists and a professional army.

            "Piece" special forces - yes, here - "all the best for children" especially since the guys are usually adults and do not take extra fashionable bells and whistles on the way out, regular army soldiers, even US, do not bother and for some reason cost M-16s.
            Quote: cosmos111
            and logistics, only rising ...

            With what a fright then ??? And by the way-they generally have, unlike us, 5,56 even for NATO.
            Quote: cosmos111
            and what to guess ... first it is necessary that the Shashi create and experience the entire complex in the war ..

            Guessing is really not necessary, you just need to count the money first, what all this "Logistic flexibility" in production and operation will cost and what the fighter will receive in the end. One hundred poods is easier for a fighter to spend on a grenade launcher with a set of grenades. an additional "module" and also a muffler with a collimator and optics will remain. "Modularity" is a good thing when you hang various bells and whistles in a steamer or a car somewhere in the rear, but this is Lego to a soldier in the field? Is he going to shoot down satellites, or tanks, changing the barrel of 5,45 to 7,62 or 9! ??
            1. 0
              29 September 2014 11: 52
              that's right .. partly ..but ....

              the barrel length is AK 12-415 ... and if, with a sharp change in situation, you need a shot with a high probability of accuracy of 700-1000 met ...
              and the SVD is either not or is out of order, and the survival of the group and the performance of the mission without loss depends on this shot ...
              in 90 seconds, they change the barrel and produce an accurate shot (((yes, fire))) make shots from 3 barrels .....
              and logistics is, not pulling all the trunks at the same time, but one or two, for a given and predicted situation !!!!


              Quote: avt

              "Piece" special forces - yes, here - "all the best for children" especially since the guys are usually adults and do not take extra fashionable bells and whistles on the way out, regular army soldiers, even US, do not bother and for some reason cost M-16s.

              what to worry about them, the choice of weapons is huge ... there is no point in listing ...
              but recently, more use of "FN SCAR" for US SOCOM units ...
              1. +6
                29 September 2014 12: 31
                the barrel length is AK 12-415 ... and if, with a sharp change in situation, you need a shot with a high probability of accuracy of 700-1000 met ...Do you know Dear, this is not an argument at all! and if at the same distance you need a full-fledged volley of artillery batteries, what do you order to fasten?
                1. +1
                  29 September 2014 12: 57
                  Quote: vomag
                  and if at the same distance you need a full-fledged volley of artillery batteries, what do you order to fasten?

                  WE DEAR TALK ABOUT SHOOT WEAPON !!!


                  and if, at this distance, you need a full-fledged volley of artillery batteries, there is NOT ANYTHING to TURN (((or you’ll break lol ))) ...
                  just load the MODULAR THROWER FOR THIS DISTANCE and shoot ...
                  MODULAR!!! dear ...
                  Systems of modular propellant charges (MMZ) allow you to automate the loading process of guns, contributing to an increase in rate of fire ..... MMZ, developed and adopted for service in many countries: USA, Germany, France, South Africa, Great Britain, have close parameters. As an example, the MMZ MACS system (USA) is presented
                  1. +4
                    29 September 2014 14: 14
                    So you yourself and answered your question about a shot at 700-1000, let the pros who are imprisoned for this do it. and not ordinary soldiers, and three during the battle!
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                    2. 0
                      29 September 2014 14: 37
                      Quote: vomag
                      700-1000 let the pros who are imprisoned for it do this. and not ordinary soldiers, and three during the battle!

                      Yes, all my posts are about --- specialists !!!
                      Quote: cosmos111
                      yet again, I repeat, MODULAR ... only for special forces !!!!! EVERYTHING !!!
                      ((about a professional army, I had in mind ,,, namely specialists from various departments)))
                      sniper version - ACR
                  2. 0
                    29 September 2014 14: 47
                    Brilliant knowledge in artillery !!!
                    Well Duc, as if to put it mildly for you, for about 150 years in artillery almost all non-unitary charges are "modular" consisting of main and additional charges
                    1. +1
                      29 September 2014 17: 48
                      No, dear, this is exactly the squeak of artillery fashion. The fact is that without modular charges, fully automatic loading cannot be carried out.

                      Not unitary charges "so 150 years old" or caps, or separate-case loading with a variable charge. That is, pulling out extra bundles.
                      1. 0
                        30 September 2014 11: 43
                        And you first define the term "modularity" - "a product, a machine, a mechanism, the components of which are modules, ie standard elements, each of which can be easily replaced if necessary." well, or it is possible so - "the principle of building technical systems, according to which functionally related parts are grouped into complete units - modules." Those. those same additional beams in composite artillery charges used for a long time will be "modules" in a modern way.
            2. +2
              29 September 2014 12: 08
              Quote: avt
              Lego fighter in the field? Will he shoot down satellites, or tanks, changing the 5,45 trunk to 7,62 or 9! ??

              Agree that, when landing, it’s easier to have a barrel under the enemy’s cartridge when landing in the rear than to drag and demand security for your cartridge-caliber?
              He wrote about the troops of the second line (artillerymen, rocket launchers, etc.) - in general, they don’t care what to have as personal weapons.
              But on the "front end" - the weapon must first of all be effective and heap, at least ...
              1. +2
                29 September 2014 12: 39
                But will it not be easier to take the barrel from this enemy by using up their own ammunition ??? And again, logistics, in the case of abandonment of ammunition to advanced groups, what ammunition will be thrown in the first place, the one that is in service, or the one that the enemy has? ??
                1. +2
                  29 September 2014 13: 02
                  Quote: MORDVIN13rus
                  And to take away the barrel from this very enemy, according to the expenditure of their BC, it will not be easier

                  of course not ... if it's an RDG ... the enemy will always have an advantage in manpower and prepared positions ... to take away from the enemy is always a loss ...
                  1. +1
                    29 September 2014 14: 52
                    That is, the barrel to take away this loss and the enemy will give back cartridges?
                    Let me remind you of the old truth - the first shot of the WG is the beginning of its end.
                2. +4
                  29 September 2014 20: 00
                  A year ago, I watched some kind of documentary cycle about the Soviet partisan movement during the Second World War. One of the serious mistakes of the Moscow leadership there was the confidence of the supreme partisan leadership in the effectiveness of self-supply of weapons and, especially, ammunition due to trophies. If you didn’t seize the ammunition depot, then after the battle (of course won), you have at your disposal a certain amount of weapons (often damaged) and a tiny amount of ammunition ...
                3. 0
                  29 September 2014 20: 00
                  A year ago, I watched some kind of documentary cycle about the Soviet partisan movement during the Second World War. One of the serious mistakes of the Moscow leadership there was the confidence of the supreme partisan leadership in the effectiveness of self-supply of weapons and, especially, ammunition due to trophies. If you didn’t seize the ammunition depot, then after the battle (of course won), you have at your disposal a certain amount of weapons (often damaged) and a tiny amount of ammunition ...
              2. 0
                29 September 2014 14: 50
                I repeat once again for the cushioned paratroopers - If you throw to the rear, then take the BK to the maximum, and the RDG, if necessary, is quite able to arm it with trophy weapons - which however happens extremely rarely, and don’t forget where there is usually enough trophy ammunition there enough weapons. But there are many trophies when everything is fine and you don’t need to use them, but when you were squeezed somewhere and with trophies, it’s not so thick, remember that for WWII, for Vietnam, for Afghanistan there is a supply of blocked garrisons by air.
          3. +3
            29 September 2014 11: 54
            Such versatility is beneficial for special forces, and a regular, versatile weapon is needed for regular forces.
            1. +1
              29 September 2014 12: 33
              Quote: da Vinci
              balanced, versatile weapon

              as a rule, "a balanced, universal weapon" can do anything, but everything is mediocre (my superior commander spoke even more trenchantly - in a 3-letter word).
              For the offensive - one thing, for the defense is completely different. As with the tricks ... And as a rule, the troops of constant readiness, as well as the landing force, also do not need to change the barrels very often - one specification may be sufficient for current companies.
              Here for a general war, here it’s how it will turn out: from the ultramodern, to the last littered mosin in warehouses ...
            2. +1
              29 September 2014 13: 45
              What is the problem? Do not change the rest of the trunk.
              If I was sitting in a trench, the hunting trunk is more authentic. If the White House or the Reichstag is in front of you - in short. Carrying an extra barrel with the same caliber is not a big problem.
              1. +1
                29 September 2014 14: 59
                And you, for the sake of fun, try to get into an armored vehicle, a helmet, load up with equipment, bk, communications and many more necessary personal belongings and even make a not forced march of 10 kilometers - and it will immediately become clear to you how important and you need a replaceable barrel "shorter" or " more authentic. " Well, by the way, at the beginning of the 20th century, research was carried out in the Republic of Ingushetia on the topic of the maximum possible weight of wearable equipment, at that time the maximum wearable weight that did not affect the speed of the columns on the march was 13 kg, with an increase in weight, the number and duration of halts increased accordingly general ground speed.
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        2. +1
          29 September 2014 11: 58
          Quote: avt
          but here is all this idiot with modularity for an army soldier in the field, and even "logistic flexibility" of providing massively replaceable barrels and cartridges for army units in combat conditions somewhere in Afghanistan ...

          already wrote, I repeat -
          As for the AK-12 troops.
          Mb someone behind the ears, for example, calculating the 152mm gun mount, or a shortened type of AKSU, for the crew of the tank, or to someone who does not have personal weapons.
          But the front end, who is always on the firing line, the accuracy of the battle is clearly insufficient ... Hence all the troubles.
          About modularity ...
          For special forces at permanent deployment bases, which is more profitable - to have 10 types of barrels for one soldier, or a complex for all occasions - from a short attack aircraft to a long barrel, and for different ammunition:
          - today we are storming a building in urban development
          - Tomorrow behind enemy lines with a barrel under the cartridge that the enemy has ...
  4. +1
    29 September 2014 10: 04
    The Australians can afford the best infantry training in NATO, and their equipment is no different from the special forces. So such soldiers and rifles need accessories.
    1. +1
      29 September 2014 10: 27
      Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992
      Australians have the best infantry training in NATO, and their equipment is no different from special forces. So such soldiers and rifles need accessories.

      that’s why the weapons should be special forces-modular, to solve various problems ... changed the barrel and caliber and completed the task ... AND SO WILL HAVE TO LOOK ON YOURSELF a bunch of different-sized barrels ...

      Remington / Bushmaster ACR, specifically for special forces
      1. +5
        29 September 2014 10: 44
        Quote: cosmos111
        Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992
        Australians have the best infantry training in NATO, and their equipment is no different from special forces. So such soldiers and rifles need accessories.

        that’s why the weapons should be special forces-modular, to solve various problems ... changed the barrel and caliber and completed the task ... AND SO WILL HAVE TO LOOK ON YOURSELF a bunch of different-sized barrels ...



        Any fighter will say that a bunch of rounds is better than a bunch of barrels laughing
      2. +2
        29 September 2014 10: 49
        Quote: cosmos111
        Remington / Bushmaster ACR

        There is definitely one undeniable thing for this trunk - it is an order of magnitude more reliable than EMKs. laughing
    2. +2
      29 September 2014 10: 40
      Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992
      They can afford the best infantry in NATO among Australians


      Australia is not a member of NATO.

      Australia - Major Non-NATO Ally or MNNA since 1989, is a term used to refer to US allies that are not NATO members.
      1. +1
        29 September 2014 17: 34
        Block ANZUS (1952) - Australia, New Zealand, USA.
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  5. +2
    29 September 2014 10: 28
    it's a step back compared to the modular F88 Austeyr ...
    change of barrels and caliber, increases the logistic flexibility of weapons ...

    Just from the point of view of logistics, modularity is not buzzing !!!
    1. +1
      29 September 2014 10: 43
      Quote: MORDVIN13rus
      Just from the point of view of logistics, modularity is not buzzing !!!

      Then how do you explain worldwide a tendency to switch to modular complexes of small arms (and not only) weapons? request
      "Well, stupid"? lol
      1. +1
        29 September 2014 11: 26
        Give an example then of at least one army in the world, where modular rifles (assault rifles) are adopted as general arms small arms ???
        1. +1
          29 September 2014 12: 10
          Quote: MORDVIN13rus
          Give an example then of at least one army in the world, where modular rifles (assault rifles) are adopted as general arms small arms ???


          USA - FN SCAR


          Australia (still), Austria, Argentina, Ireland, Cameroon, Luxembourg, Malaysia, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Uruguay, Philippines. (This is half the list) - Steyr AUG


          Israel, India, Nigeria, Thailand, Vietnam (Third of the List) - Tavor TAR-21 \ X-95


          Singapore, Brunei, Sri Lanka - SAR-21


          France, Djibouti, UAE - FAMAS


          China, Manyama, Pakistan, Sudan - QBZ-95


          All these rifle systems have at least partial modularity, and almost complete unification of parts. And further development / modernization is usually aimed at achieving full modularity.
          1. +5
            29 September 2014 12: 33
            And that in the USA the SCAR is a combined-arms rifle complex, but I didn’t know about it, it turns out, they thought they were all fighting with the M16 / M4. Famas, and that there are already removable barrels, or you can change the bolt group there for different ammunition ??? And as far as I know from open sources, the QBZ95 does not shine with modularity either, and the barrels are not replaceable, and the caliber cannot be changed. except for interchangeable barrels (standard and heavy machine gun) are used extremely rarely. Based on your conclusion, "All these shooting complexes have at least partial modularity, and almost complete unification of parts. And further development / modernization is aimed, as a rule, at achieving full modularity." it can be concluded that the AK74 / RPK47 / AKSU74 family also have at least partial modularity, and there is no need to talk about unification.
            1. 0
              29 September 2014 13: 34
              Quote: MORDVIN13rus
              we can conclude that the AK74 / RPK47 / AKSU74 family also have at least partial modularity, but we should not talk about unification


              but no one argues with this at all ...
              yesterday on a branch .. topic:
              Accuracy of battle
              ... and discussed this topic ...

              troops need a new modern, including a modular shooting platform ...
              each country goes its own way ... but the trend is clear: on one platform, place different calibers, with different barrel lengths, including modular platforms (((with quick change of barrel and caliber)))
              and who will create it, Izhevtsy, Kovrovtsy or Tulyaki will show a competition !!!
              but so far, such an arms rifle platform, in Russia, has not been created ...
              1. +3
                29 September 2014 13: 42
                And again, we return to the original question: WHY DOES THIS ALL DO IT FOR THE ARMY RIFLE COMPLEX ??? And the platform is there, an AK receiver, a lope in it of calibers and different barrel lengths (5,45x39; 7,62x39; 9x39 and even 12 caliber and so on) .d.)
              2. 0
                29 September 2014 13: 58
                Quote: cosmos111
                : on one platform, place, different calibres, with different barrel lengths, including modular platforms ((((with quick change of barrel and caliber)))

                This is a chimera, experiments with AK-shaped ones prove it, at the time it was unification that killed a good and most importantly full RPD handbrake as a result, they didn’t accept either a handbrake or RPK automatic gun, attempts to create snipers based on AK failed at the first stage of the competition, as a result the unified SVD won with AK as much as a whole bayonet-knife. The PC is also unified with the AK as a whole pistol grip, the AKS-74U is generally a masterpiece.
                So normal unification is possible only within one class of weapons, and we now have such a model AK-74M - replacing the AK-74, AKS-74 and their various H-versions.
                1. padonok.71
                  +1
                  29 September 2014 16: 19
                  Damn, the "cigarette butt" did not please the topic?
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2014 12: 31
                    Hi, yes, where did you please? we are talking about unification - and for a knot with this trouble, it's easier to say what is unified - we open the catalog of assembly units and parts and it turns out that with the AKS74 / AK74, only the bolt, part of the trigger, pistol grip, magazine latch and springs are unified. Everything else in the 6P26 catalog goes its way.
              3. 0
                30 September 2014 01: 32
                The only developments in this area are Tula Sarych 308, but its layout was presented three years ago, and since then silence ......
            2. 0
              29 September 2014 13: 38
              Yes, do not worry, comrade just interferes in one mess modularity with unification.
            3. +1
              29 September 2014 15: 40
              Quote: MORDVIN13rus
              And what in the USA SCAR is a combined-arms rifle complex, but I didn’t know about it, it turned out they all fought with M16 / M4.

              Officially adopted by the arsenal of the 75 Rangers of the United States Rangers.

              Quote: MORDVIN13rus
              Famas, but what about removable barrels already going on, or can the bolt group be changed for different ammunition there ???

              It is possible, but not in the field, so this can be attributed to "partial" modularity - the platform is unified.

              Quote: MORDVIN13rus
              Steyr, except rum interchangeable trunks (standard and heavy machine gun) are used extremely rarely.

              This is a matter of application, not design, is it? request

              Quote: MORDVIN13rus
              we can conclude that the AK74 / RPK47 / AKSU74 family also have at least partial modularity ...

              So. Yes I will say more, a competent gunsmith can convert to full modularity, but due to structural nuances, this will lead to an overcomplicated design (as well as in other "semi-modular" guilt).

              But the trend speaks for itself. hi

              Here, by the way, is another illustrative example (although it did not go into mass production):
              1. padonok.71
                +3
                29 September 2014 16: 13
                OTs is never an example. He conceived this special weapon as such and never claimed to be massive. And in my experience, the middle barrel, the grenade launcher (more for balance and with the advent of the GM - only for him), the rest remains in the case for years. The body is shabby, the "blackening" has slipped, and the shorty, the sniper (which you don't have in the pictures), the PSO, the tactical pen, as if from the factory, everything shines.
          2. +1
            29 September 2014 13: 21
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Australia (still), Austria, Argentina, Ireland, Cameroon, Luxembourg, Malaysia, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Uruguay, Philippines. (This is half the list) - Steyr AUG

            Steyr AUG - Army MODULAR (one of the first in the world) rifles ...
            this is a complex of small arms, launched in 1977 by the Austrian company Steyr-Daimler-Puch (AG & Co KG))))
            disassembled into 9 parts without using a tool ...
      2. +4
        29 September 2014 12: 12
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Then how do you explain the global trend towards the transition to modular complexes of small arms (and not only) weapons?


        1. Money turnover.
        2. Industry is in good shape. Personnel do not lose qualifications. Equipment maintained in working condition is not preserved. In the case of hour X, production can increase dramatically.
        1. +2
          29 September 2014 13: 10
          Quote: bunta
          1. Money turnover.
          2. Industry is in good shape. Personnel do not lose qualifications. Equipment maintained in working condition is not preserved. In the case of hour X, production can increase dramatically.

          and for us, for our domestic defense industry, ALL of which you have listed, what is NOT NECESSARY ???
          1. +3
            29 September 2014 14: 14
            We had a different approach. According to the results of the first and second world wars, a huge state reserve was created. Not just armament. I was lucky to automate the accounting of this economy. What is there just not there. From aspirin to tanks. This approach allows us to send more workers to the troops.
            Now hell knows what kind of strategy there is. But the fact that it does not contribute to progress is for sure.
            If earlier there was a clear statement of the task from the customer, a competition was announced, now this is not the case. Now it seems that the Serdyukovs are sitting and waiting for the industry to bring them something on a silver platter, I don’t know what, but smelling delicious. Like - you want to live, invent a new murder weapon. We will buy from you. And hard workers are not murderers. They take in themselves assistants from among the "former". And this, as a rule, if not Cardins, then some kind of special forces. Krivoruchko took a special forces soldier as his consultant. For him, Zlobin is now sculpting something for the FSB. And they have no choice but to declare the same "modularity" chewed up to snot. Under Kuzyuk and Busygin, the language proofing service worked well. Once a month, they gave social chat rooms consistently - both modularity and bullpiness and delay and left-fuse. And where? And, most importantly, who needs it. Well, they will make ak-12, they will go to the state order for rearmament. The next 100 yards will be allocated. Here are just yusa polls on skars not going to make them the main noise. And with us, it's all or nothing.
            MoDs must collect and process statistics on the use of small arms in recent military conflicts. Analyze and develop your requirements for weapons, taking into account new modern requirements. One of two things - either they do not want to do this, or they came to the conclusion that the existing weapons sufficiently meet all modern requirements. Since the latter is less likely, I come to the conclusion that the consequences of Serdyukovism have not yet been eliminated. And there is an opportunity to load the rifle defense system and keep it in good shape. But only not in the form of solving the problems of "modularity", but in the form of creating a new weapon. First of all, this should be a weapon for close combat. There, the safety system should differ from the usual AK and the cartridge (neither 9x19 nor 5,45 nor 7,62 is suitable) and much more. But we all came up against the eternal "modernization" of the AK.
            We have not resolved the problem with the gun. Glock, as far as I know, is bought together with cartridges (the information is not accurate, I apologize if it is not right). It is interesting how PJ would work with Glokovsi cartridges, and Glock with ours. In principle, you can open the topic for a single machine gun (Pecheneg in the furnace). We need to continue working with balanced automation. The Tkachev scheme applied at AEK is not ideal. But this is a Nyokrov theme! And the factories can’t even write off these costs at their own expense, nothing to get money for them!

            There is a topic for working and supporting the industry in good shape. There is! But as a practitioner-developer I say "DO NOT CLIMB TO ME WITH YOUR DECISIONS !!!". Changing the trunk will not give an increase exactly! We need more accuracy from the AK - it can be obtained without changing the design of the weapon and without rebuilding production. Do you need radiant accuracy during auto-fire with a given reliability? Give money for R&D or at least exempt this work from taxes.
            And so on.
      3. 0
        29 September 2014 13: 39
        Give an example of this "global trend" of yours.
    2. +2
      29 September 2014 10: 43
      Quote: MORDVIN13rus
      Just from the point of view of logistics, modularity is not buzzing !!!

      why not gut ???
      for one task, storming a building, you need a barrel, one, for an arc accurately shoot from a distance 500-700 met..other ...
      and if throwing to the rear ... on the BL.Vostok and Afghanistan, they mainly use stool 7,62x39 ... or ours in the rear where there are only NATO 5,56x39 ???
      the entire ACR is disassembled into six main components in 90 seconds and without a tool !!!
      1. +3
        29 September 2014 11: 05
        You almost yourself answered your own question. The only thing you can change in weapons is the barrel, different lengths for different tasks, changing calibers in the troops, this is nonsense a priori, for the commercial market, yes, modularity is a reduction in the price of weapons, since having 1 receiver, you can use different calibers for hunting there or entertaining shooting, rather than buying weapons for different ones. In the army, all this modularity will only lead to a complication of logistics, as I have long given an example of my thesis on some other modular rifle. And the complication of logistics does not lead to the appearance of more errors in it. And for the army, this is almost equivalent to defeat.
        1. +2
          29 September 2014 12: 38
          Quote: MORDVIN13rus
          . In the troops, all this modularity will only lead to a complication of logistics, as I have long given an example of my thesis, for some other modular rifle

          yet again, I repeat, MODULAR ... only for special forces !!!!! EVERYTHING !!!

          in the troops, of course, modularity is excessive ... especially among conscripts ...
          but on the same platform, we need trunks (((not replaceable))) of different lengths and calibres ... to replace, a lot of trouble of one ... this will increase the logistic component ...
          Assault rifle TAR-21Israel ... for conscripts ...
          barrel length: 460,380,330,380 mm (CTAR-21)
          calibres: 5,56 × 45 mm, 45 × 39 mm, 9 × 19 mm Parabellum ....
          1. +1
            29 September 2014 12: 58
            What special forces are you talking about ??? Army (Special Forces GRU), Counter-Terrorist (Special Forces FSB), or VVshny (OMON or SOBR) ???
            1. 0
              29 September 2014 13: 07
              Quote: MORDVIN13rus
              What special forces are you talking about ??? Army (Special Forces GRU), Counter-Terrorist (Special Forces FSB), or VVshny (OMON or SOBR) ??

              about all, except for the "special forces" of the Ministry of Justice ...
              1. +1
                29 September 2014 13: 13
                And why is the FSB or the Ministry of Internal Affairs special forces modular, they will arrive at the place of operation in greenhouse conditions, and as far as I remember they use special weapons for this, army special forces are equipped just like the rest of the troops so as not to be dependent on circumstances, about the change of ammunition.
                1. 0
                  29 September 2014 13: 41
                  this question has already been answered ...

                  Quote: Rus2012
                  About modularity ...
                  For special forces at permanent deployment bases, which is more profitable - to have 10 types of barrels for one soldier, or a complex for all occasions - from a short attack aircraft to a long barrel, and for different ammunition:
                  - today we are storming a building in urban development
                  - Tomorrow behind enemy lines with a barrel under the cartridge that the enemy has ...

                  nothing to add ...
                  1. +2
                    29 September 2014 13: 55
                    And what about the standard AK-74M buildings are being stormed badly, or with the M16 / M4 ??? I suppose now I am the owner of the AKS-74U, yes this was the AK-74, and did not experience any inconvenience with the standard Kalash, even when I left the installation urgently experienced, despite the fact that the GM-577A is not too free machine.
      2. +1
        29 September 2014 11: 54
        Quote: cosmos111
        for one task, storming a building, you need a barrel, one, for an arc accurately shoot from a distance 500-700 met..other ...

        To do this, there are different specialists with different weapons - and it would be wonderful - today is a sniper, tomorrow a navigator, the day after tomorrow a fighter pilot and in a week you command a nuclear submarine. tongue
        Quote: cosmos111
        and if throwing to the rear ... on the BL.Vostok and Afghanistan, they mainly use stool 7,62x39 ... or ours in the rear where there are only NATO 5,56x39 ???

        If they are thrown to the rear, they take the BK to the maximum, and the RDG, in case of such a need, is fully capable of arming itself with captured weapons - which, however, is extremely rare, and don’t forget where there are enough captured weapons there are usually enough captured weapons. But there are many trophies when everything is fine and you don’t need to use them, but when you are squeezed somewhere and with trophies, it’s not so thick, remember that for WWII, for Vietnam, for Afghanistan, there are supplies of blocked garrisons by air.
        Quote: cosmos111
        the entire ACR is disassembled into six main components in 90 seconds and without a tool !!!


        I’m happy for him, it looks beautiful at exhibitions, in exemplary barracks and brutal macho in films, but in reality everything is not so rosy - they transfer a company with RPMs somewhere to the Middle East and it turns out that besides regular weapons you need to to carry out details from which you can assemble weapons for an entire battalion, and the likelihood that ordinary Johnson urgently needs to put just this butt and this barrel is extremely low, but the problems of foremen and fathers of commanders are sharply increased - like all e then drag it to the LDPE, how to get it all there so that you don’t miss anything., sorry, I’m lost.
        So modularity is such a beautiful fashionable thing in reality that no one in the army needs and is limited for use by various special forces, mainly of a police orientation.
        1. +1
          29 September 2014 15: 57
          Quote: gross kaput
          To do this, there are different specialists with different weapons - and it would be wonderful - today is a sniper, tomorrow a navigator, the day after tomorrow a fighter pilot and in a week you command a nuclear submarine. tongue


          In vain laughing lol The process has already begun.




      3. +1
        29 September 2014 12: 16
        Quote: cosmos111
        for one task, storming a building, you need a barrel, one, for an arc accurately shoot from a distance 500-700 met..other ...


        Increasing the length of the barrel does not increase accuracy! love
        1. 0
          29 September 2014 13: 59
          Quote: bunta
          Increasing the length of the barrel does not increase accuracy!

          Naturally, dozens of factors influence accuracy ... You and other participants in the discussion, on the branch: http://topwar.ru/58885-kuchnost-boya.html, all have been listed ...

          Now we are talking about new technologies used in the manufacture of caramel weapons ..
          and the main world trends of its development soldier !!!
          modularity in the design? the use of new materials (((for info about MIM a separate huge thank you hi ))))
  6. +3
    29 September 2014 11: 10
    A simple infantryman needs a simple machine gun with one barrel, the fewer problems the better.
    1. +1
      29 September 2014 12: 14
      Quote: La-5
      A simple infantryman needs a simple machine gun with one barrel, the fewer problems the better.

      if it is considered "simple cannon fodder", then yes of course ...
    2. +4
      29 September 2014 12: 14
      Quote: La-5
      ... the fewer "problems, the better."

      1. +1
        29 September 2014 14: 06
        Quote: And Us Rat
        ... the fewer "problems, the better."


        Ermak, in the 16th century, with squeaks of 500 Cossacks conquered Siberia .. the enemy of many thousands was armed with bows ... and such examples !!!
        white firearms and progress, do not stop ...
        1. 0
          29 September 2014 15: 03
          It’s great how, only since the time of Yermak, a lot of water has flowed, in modern wars from 70 to 90% of losses are in artillery, aviation, cost centers and riflemen there in last place.
          1. +2
            29 September 2014 16: 11
            Quote: gross kaput
            It’s great how, only since the time of Yermak, a lot of water has flowed, in modern wars from 70 to 90% of losses are in artillery, aviation, cost centers and riflemen there in last place.


            So now what? request
            Maybe then at all to transfer soldiers to the berdanks? laughing
            And what - Cheap and cheerful. fellow

  7. +1
    29 September 2014 11: 24
    as the bullap system has significant disadvantages, the speed and convenience of changing the store is lower than that of the classics and the outflow of the cartridge case and powder gases in the face is not like ice
    1. avt
      +1
      29 September 2014 12: 13
      Quote: bmv04636
      as the bullap system has significant disadvantages, the speed and convenience of changing the store is lower than that of the classics

      Question of training,
      Quote: bmv04636
      and the departure of the liner and powder gases in the face of something like no ice
      A problem that has been solved for a long time, for example, Gryazev in the A-91M and its continuation -ADS, the sleeve normally goes off right in front of it, it is quite possible to work with both hands and the weapon in terms of size is quite good. But again - according to the criterion of cost - the effectiveness of the sense to replace Kalash with it? Here, give it to the same artillerymen, sappers and tankers, well, to everyone who does not have it basic, again to the same specialists for whom AKSU was made, again proceeding from "logistic flexibility", you can not bother with the PP in terms of cartridges, working with united.
      1. +3
        29 September 2014 13: 42

        Practical shooting proved that the bullpup is not a competitor to the classic layout in terms of rate of fire.
      2. +1
        29 September 2014 14: 21
        Quote: avt
        Here to give it to the same gunners, sappers and tankers, well, to everyone who doesn’t have it, again to the same specialists for whom they made the AKSU, again

        de-unification again, then you need to take the whole rifle complex, systems, bullpal ...
        more practical, with a short barrel and a folding butt ...
        1. avt
          0
          29 September 2014 15: 31
          Quote: cosmos111
          demonification again, t

          request Well, I wrote in the same comment -
          Quote: avt
          . But then again - according to the criterion of cost - the effectiveness of meaning is to replace Kalash with it?
          If the A-91M is commercially cheaper to manufacture, I doubt it, then yes - you can do it in a large series, but again only because it is easier on the left and the left, of course, the game is not worth the candle. Only if to order in peacetime. Here and in the end it in the form of ADS in a series and went.
          1. +1
            29 September 2014 17: 23
            Quote: avt
            But then again - according to the criterion of cost - the effectiveness of meaning is to replace Kalash with it?

            all avt..kina will not be---- sold Kalash -Izhmeh, to an unknown uncle, with the face of Serdyuk Taburetkin ... now, not new technologies, not retools ... squeezing money and finishing off the enterprise !!!

            a new Kalash, a campaign for us, too, not to be seen ...
            info s:http://topwar.ru/59175-rosteh-izbavlyaetsya-ot-kontrolya-nad-proizvoditelyami-s
            trelkovogo-oruzhiya.html

            **** **** they were pleased, and even $ -40kovnik, we’re hurt, we’re going to the bottom ... at least we’ll look at the import --- we’ll dream ...
      3. 0
        29 September 2014 20: 56
        Quote: avt
        It’s quite a long-resolved problem, for example, by Gryazev in the A-91M and its continuation -ADS, the liner normally leaves so right

        on the assault rifle FN Herstal F2000 (Belgium))))
        in FN F2000 a spent sleeve flies out of a window in the front of the casing over the fore-end ...
  8. +1
    29 September 2014 12: 05
    And how will this gun behave in hand-to-hand combat against our sapper shovel?
    1. +3
      29 September 2014 12: 31
      Sapper shovel is that which in the garden to dig potatoes?
  9. +3
    29 September 2014 15: 19
    I like the "classic" approach of European neutrals (Switzerland, Sweden, Finland), no suffering for bullpups, polymers (receiver) and modularity (bicaliber), but the Finns' attachment to 7,62x39 is especially touching.
  10. +3
    29 September 2014 15: 31
    As I read, the pistol of the "berdysh" family is distinguished by the possibility of quick cartridge change. and caliber. things are good. but it is also indicated that with frequent barrel changes, backlash of parts begins to appear, which affects the accuracy and reliability. if it is noticeable on a pistol, then even more so on a weapon shooting at 400 ++ meters. and I remember such a moment that the "aiming points" are different, "addiction" does not work.
    1. Retarg
      0
      30 September 2014 11: 40
      It is necessary to do it qualitatively, and not to mold candy from shit. Will the barrel not be changed 5 times a day?
      1. 0
        30 September 2014 11: 49
        Well, as I remember, there was a program under the direction of Stechkin. so the ram was hardly used in design and development. all the "salt" in the direction.
  11. +2
    29 September 2014 16: 12
    But why does this barrel length not affect accuracy and accuracy (depending on the distance, of course)? The recoil is less, the bullet speed is higher, again the length of the sighting line is greater. Well, his - AKS-74U!
  12. 0
    29 September 2014 17: 37
    Quote: cosmos111
    what to worry about them, the choice of weapons is huge ... there is no point in listing ...
    but recently, more use of "FN SCAR" for US SOCOM units ...

    But didn’t the information pass about a year ago that the US special operations forces decided to abandon the FN SCAR and return to the good old M4 carbine?
    1. +1
      29 September 2014 17: 56
      Quote: DesToeR
      Quote: cosmos111
      what to worry about them, the choice of weapons is huge ... there is no point in listing ...
      but recently, more use of "FN SCAR" for US SOCOM units ...

      But didn’t the information pass about a year ago that the US special operations forces decided to abandon the FN SCAR and return to the good old M4 carbine?


      In 2013, USSOCOM abandoned further purchases of SCAR-L and intends to dispose of the remaining. Instead, SCAR-H will be purchased with a set of conversion tools for the 5.56 mm cartridgecompensating for the absence of SCAR-L.
      1. +2
        29 September 2014 21: 46
        Quote: And Us Rat
        . Instead, SCAR-H will be purchased with a set of conversion tools for the 5.56 mm cartridge, compensating for the absence of SCAR-L.


        SEPTEMBER 29, 2014 ...
        another candidate for adoption by USSOCOM ...
        assault rifle ((((modular)) XCR-M Caliber 7.62x51 mm (.308 Win.), XCR-L 5.56x45 mm caliber
        Assault Rifle "Robinson Armament XCR" was developed by a small enterprise "Robinson Armament", especially for participation in the competition "SOF / SCAR" ((((Competition for the best assault rifle for American special forces)))))
        modular rifle, the ability to install barrels of different lengths and accessories under these barrels, thus the owner can "create" a light shortened carbine, assault rifle, sniper rifle ...
        barrel length - The standard barrel is considered 406 mm, and shortened - 368 mm and very short - 292 mm, sniper - 470 mm ...
        in XCR they are used in 3 different calibres, these are 5.56x45 mm, 6.8x43 mm (((6.8 Rem SPC)))) and 7.62x39mm ....
        what a huge choice the us specialists !!!


        XCR with a barrel length of 368 mm

        XCR-M caliber 7.62 with a barrel length of 368 mm

        XCR in a sniper configuration with a weighted barrel length of 406 mm

        info from: http: //soldierweapons.ru/publ/rifles/shturmovye_vintovki/500212-robinson-arma
        m
        ent-xcr.html
        http://aftermathgunclub.com/2012/09/15/robinson-xcr-m-builder/
  13. +2
    29 September 2014 18: 08
    Quote: And Us Rat
    In 2013, USSOCOM refused further purchases of SCAR-L and are going to dispose of the remaining ones. Instead, SCAR-H will be purchased with a set of conversion tools for the 5.56 mm cartridge, compensating for the absence of SCAR-L.

    But SCAR-H is a weapon under the rifle cartridge 7,62x51. Sense with such actions? After all, it will be necessary to change not only the trunk, but also the store with the receiving neck ??? Yes, and the shutter is probably the same ... In the United States, a 20 self-loading sniper rifle is relatively recently adopted (I don’t remember the name).
    1. +2
      29 September 2014 18: 45
      Quote: DesToeR
      But SCAR-H is a weapon under the rifle cartridge 7,62x51. Sense with such actions? After all, it will be necessary to change not only the trunk, but also the store with the receiving neck ???


      Well, this is modularity - replacing part of the filling instead of a separate weapon.
      The adapter is usually placed on the inlet neck, no need to change.



      Quote: DesToeR
      In the United States, the 20 self-loading charging sniper rifle is relatively recently adopted (I don’t remember the name).


      M110 SASS to replace the SR-25, by and large it is a banal upgrade.

      M110 SASS


      SR-25
  14. +1
    29 September 2014 18: 32
    I watched the video about the rifle, the situation was pleasantly pleased. The output on the AEK-971 is much less, the machine will be clearly more accurate, even the AK-12 is even more preferable. Although my choice of AEK is already something.
    1. +3
      29 September 2014 18: 56
      Quote: aleksandrs95
      I watched the video about the rifle, the situation was pleasantly pleased. The output on the AEK-971 is much less, the machine will be clearly more accurate, even the AK-12 is even more preferable. Although my choice of AEK is already something.

      AEK-971 is technically more complicated than AK-12 (and therefore more expensive to manufacture and requires more maintenance skills).
      And knowing the craving of Russian generals for mass and simplicity of weapons for ordinary soldiers, they will most likely choose the AK-12. By and large, they have already practically chosen it - they sent it for revision "according to the remarks of the military", and no one messes with the AEK-971. AEK except that special will go separately.
  15. 0
    29 September 2014 20: 13
    Situation: the special forces ran to the urban-type settlement, okay, or they are storming the base by the enemy. Someone sentinels, for example, shot from afar with a powerful cartridge and with a long barrel. Then they ran to, directly, the houses that need to be cleaned. 90 sec. smoke break while barrels and cartridges are changed. plus another 90sec. if in turn changed. cleaned out - you need to run to the next one, and what if the adversary starts to smack from afar? Break again, change the trunks back. ran ... and so on until he gets sick. I am not an expert in tactics at all, but the picture with "modules" is as follows smile
    1. +1
      29 September 2014 20: 30
      You forgot that after each barrel change you need to shoot the weapon. So not "90 seconds"
    2. +1
      29 September 2014 20: 33
      So I wrote about the same thing, just not about special forces, but from the standpoint of an ordinary infantryman, but your conclusions are fully consistent with mine.
      1. 0
        29 September 2014 23: 20
        Quote: MORDVIN13rus
        So I wrote about the same thing, just not about special forces, but from the standpoint of an ordinary infantryman, but your conclusions are fully consistent with mine

        and from the position of a simple infantryman, just a standard, non-detachable barrel, is taken on a single platform .. this is usually: the LENGTH is 406 mm, fight everything ...
        Fn scar
        1. Retarg
          0
          30 September 2014 11: 42
          Almost 100% unification of all small arms.
  16. +1
    29 September 2014 20: 18
    Yeah, modularity Yes You do not forget one thing - the more the mechanisms of the parts, the earlier it will break. Infantry weapons should also be easily maintained. And to carry along a bunch of glands, cogs and bolts and about ***** half in the mountains - that's cool)))
    1. Retarg
      0
      30 September 2014 11: 45
      And to carry along a bunch of glands, cogs and bolts and about ***** half in the mountains - that's cool)))


      Which is easier? Suffer with a disabled OSM on AK, or change the OSM module on a SCAR?

      If the barrel broke on the AK, the machine for repair? Scar - changed the barrel to fight on.
  17. +2
    29 September 2014 20: 56
    I missed the wild discussion of modularity, the same thing from different positions. What are you all citing Americans as an example ??? They haven't really fought since the days of Vietnam. Well, I understand if two platoons of valiant "cats" were trapped on the mountain by three hundred Taliban and emerged victorious. Without artillery and aircraft.
    If another large meat grinder happens, it is unlikely that one side will be able to prevail so immediately, parity is inevitable. So it will be necessary to defeat the enemy with what is, and not with what it would be necessary.
    Regarding the F90, deep modernization is completely (judging by the description) not visible from the f88. Well, a new plastic, DTK and a bunch of pans put, that's all.
  18. dipqrer
    -3
    29 September 2014 22: 45
    "Parquet" weapon IMHO.
    1. +2
      29 September 2014 23: 38
      Quote: dipqrer
      "Parquet" weapon IMHO.

      but don’t tell ... an ACR rifle in water ...
    2. +2
      29 September 2014 23: 42
      Tabor TAR-21-water, mud, sand ...

      they, too, are not fools, taught by their bitter experience ... therefore, weapons are tested very hard ...
      1. +1
        29 September 2014 23: 56
        Yeah, the sealed receiver is still a thing, the M16A4 will perform no worse, if the water gets inside and hi a shutter sticking out of my head. If they, like the Germans hk416, completely drowned them in water and then shot laughing
        1. -1
          30 September 2014 10: 55
          Quote: Marssik
          Yeah, the sealed receiver is that thing


          1. +1
            30 September 2014 17: 02
            Where is the water?))) In fine sand, everyone can dump the shutter, if only a handful of sand in the barrel, then a shot without breaking the barrellaughing. Well, or at least to the store’s mine, he spilled normally. Yes, and I doubt that this is a new version of the civil Eugene, and not squandered by the owner.
            1. +1
              30 September 2014 18: 10
              Quote: Marssik
              In the fine sand, everyone can dump the shutter, if only a handful of sand in the trunk ...




              I can go on for so long wink, purely out of stubbornness - I'm allergic to "urya".
              I do not argue that the "Kalash" is more reliable, but the "emka" for such a UG, as many are trying to portray, I had more than one fight with her in due time - both in mud and in sand (there was no "Tavor" then), and there was not a single refusal, everything rests on the attitude towards weapons and professionalism.
              As you take care of him, so is it about you.

              1. +1
                30 September 2014 19: 05
                I do not argue that the "Kalash" is more reliable, but the "emka" for such a UG, as many are trying to portray, I had more than one fight with her in due time - both in mud and in sand (there was no "Tavor" then), and there was not a single refusal, everything rests on the attitude towards weapons and professionalism.
                Where did I even mention AK and insisted about its super reliability ???) Strange conclusions you have laughing On the first prevarilovke I got a password and managed to screw up our "super-reliable" automatic machine for 12 km of march. I just mentioned the tightness of the receiver and gave an example of the hk416, which shoots even when the bolt group is submerged in water. Why would I not risk it like that, well, with our gaps without decompression holes, if the lid did not fly into the forehead drinks
  19. +2
    29 September 2014 23: 19
    "Field replacement" is nothing more than an advertising phrase, if you understand it correctly. A change of caliber and zeroing will occur at the nearest deployment point (it is clear that it is not at the base at Fort Bragg), and no one will take the second barrel and bolt group with them for a short-term operation. The same SCAR in the context of Afghan conditions does not quite justify itself (the main clb. Of the enemy - 7,62x39), but for SOCOM groups conducting, or preparing to conduct "green" operations around the world, the ability to adapt standard individual weapons under the "local" cartridge important. Many armies in Asia, Africa and Latin America continue to massively use the 7,62x51mm assault rifle cartridge (HK G3, ​​FN FAL), the same Pakistan, Turkey and Iran (all -G3).
    But for the most part among the variety of trunks, bicalibration is used as a toy for gun lovers in the US civilian arms market.
  20. +1
    30 September 2014 00: 10
    everyone is arming themselves like sprinters, getting ready for a big mess, so judging by the video, Australia is going to run into India or South America = /
  21. 0
    30 September 2014 04: 17
    Weapons should be created for WAR, and not for beautiful photo sessions!
    And in war, dirt, blood and lack of grasp! And a bunch of unforeseen circumstances where only the reliability of the weapon can save!
    So all these dances with ergonomics in FIG are not needed if there are a lot of cracks and strange holes for dirt.
    1. +2
      30 September 2014 06: 14
      Quote: MolGro
      So all these dances with ergonomics in FIG are not needed

      Ergonomics is a science that studies various objects that are in direct contact with a person in the process of his life. Its purpose is to develop the shape of objects and provide for a system of interaction with them that would be as convenient as possible for humans when using them.
      It turns out that ease of use, in your opinion - "no need for figs"?
    2. Retarg
      -1
      30 September 2014 11: 54
      Anecdote:

      An American pilot before a training flight, examines a new plane, sees a spring sharpening from a seat.
      The mechanic calls: Hey John, mazafaka, what is this malfunction in my plane?
      A mechanic is looking at technical documentation: Tom, this is provided by the design.
      Pilot: Then I refuse to fly until they provide me with a normal plane.
      The plane is sent for repair, complaints are written about the plant, the plant makes design changes, and sends a normal seat.

      Before a training flight, a Soviet pilot inspects a plane, sees a nail sticking out of a pilot's seat, calls a mechanic: Hey Kolya, your mother’s leg, what is it in my new plane?
      Mechanic, flipping through those documentation: Ivan, this is provided by the design.
      Pilot: Well, if it’s provided, then it’s necessary.
      Sit on your own.
      1. +1
        1 October 2014 19: 46
        Quote: Retarg
        Sit on your own.


        Knowledge of Russian at the level of the 3 class.
        And a joke, judging by the stupidity of humor, composed on the Potomac. Or in Langley.
  22. Oleg_W
    +1
    1 October 2014 11: 26
    I would like to hear feedback on combat use winked
  23. +1
    5 October 2014 19: 41
    Apparently, the F88 (AUG A1) did not catch on with the Australian SAS and commandos, as well as their "bullpup" in the British SAS.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Air_Service_Regiment
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Commando_Regiment_(Australia)
  24. 0
    3 November 2014 17: 20
    I don’t understand why Australia needs an army? who wants to conquer it then?