Furrer made an automatic ...

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No, the title is not a typo. Just so, with two “ps” (Furrer), the last name of the now forgotten Swiss gunsmith was written, who in 1919 year constructed one of the world's first automatic weapons, more precisely - submachine guns. It is doubly funny that Furrer was called Adolf.

Adolf Furrer was the director of the Berne Arms Factory, which produced the famous Parabellum pistols. Based on the Parabellum artillery model with an elongated barrel, Furrer designed his own MP1919 submachine gun, remaking the firing mechanism for automatic fire in bursts.







The “Parabellum” in the Furrer’s machine seems to be laid on its side, so that the receiving window of the store began to be located on the right, rather than below. Accordingly, the shutter levers when recharging fold to the left, not up.
The barrel is completely covered with wooden lining, so that you can hold on to it when firing.



Close-up automatic shutter. Kinship with "Parabellum" (bottom photo) can be seen immediately.





Computer 3D-rendering of a Furrer’s automat with a side magazine for 40 7,65 Luger cartridges.



Another computer drawing MP1919 with the shutter in the rearmost position.

The Furrer submachine gun successfully passed the tests, however, it turned out to be much more difficult, heavier and more expensive than the German MP-18 / 1, which appeared a year earlier. As a result, the MP1919 was not accepted for service and was not mass-produced, and its German competitor from 1920 was produced in Switzerland under a license both for the needs of its own army and for export.



The submachine gun MP-18 / 1 was simple and cheap, but very effective in melee combat.
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  1. avt
    +1
    24 September 2014 09: 32
    Well, not the best decision to take parabellum as the basis for PP.
    1. +1
      24 September 2014 11: 13
      "Well, not the best decision to take parabellum as the basis for PP"

      The toggle shutter mechanism is one of the most reliable.
      I personally do not like the horizontal delivery of ptrons. uncomfortable
      1. +3
        24 September 2014 16: 41
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        Well, not the best decision to take parabellum as the basis for PP.

        I agree that your statement is true in general for all other pistols - the scheme of the automation of pistols is dictated primarily by the mass dimensions and tactical niche of use. a free shutter for the gun - you can do it, but what weight and dimensions will it be, to make a PP for 9x19 steam with locking / deceleration - you can, but why? free shutter is easier and cheaper

        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        The toggle shutter mechanism is one of the most reliable.

        and the free shutter is even more reliable, and most importantly simpler and cheaper
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  2. +4
    24 September 2014 09: 45
    If the factory made Parobella, then they took what was at hand
    1. +5
      24 September 2014 09: 48
      Parabellum in itself is expensive to manufacture, demanding to maintain and capricious to pollution weapons. It makes no sense to make a mass weapon of a trench war out of it. True, the Swiss have their own pride, so in their case such a production had a right to exist.
      1. anomalocaris
        +4
        24 September 2014 17: 06
        There is one small nuance, Furrer was at that time the chief of the arsenal of Switzerland ...
  3. +1
    24 September 2014 10: 25
    Quote: avt
    Well, not the best decision to take parabellum as the basis for PP.

    "Furrer's submachine gun has successfully passed the tests," - that's the whole story. It just turned out to be expensive and difficult. Because of this, Thompson did not join the army en masse.
    1. +2
      24 September 2014 14: 15
      Quote: Bayonet
      Because of this, Thompson did not join the army en masse.

      Yes, not really ?! And then I thought that the Americans, together with the British, just before the start of WWII did not see an army niche for PPs, although in the 20s the US ILC purchased a number of Thompsons M1923, but they went en masse to the troops with the beginning of WWII and the Tommigan was the most massive PP in the American armies first М1928 / М1928А1, then simplified М1, and then maximally simplified М1А1, and in spite of the fact that in 1942 the M3 went into production the Tommy "oil can" continued to be produced until the end of the war, and even exported - first to France and Denmark, and then to Great Britain and the USSR. So the tommy gun became one of the most massive and most expensive submarines of the WWII.
      By the beginning of WWII, the Britons, unlike the Americans, did not have any PP at all, so they had to hastily copy, not much cheaper than Thompson, the German MP-28 and launch it into series under the name Lanchester, and even though in speed they began to churn out Walls "Lanchesters" were released right up to the end of the war riveted 100000 pieces.
      1. 0
        24 September 2014 15: 14
        Quote: gross kaput
        they went to the army en masse with the beginning of WWII and Tommigan was the most massive military unit in the American army, first M1928 / M1928A1, then simplified M1, and then the most simplified M1A1,

        I don’t understand why you are outraged? After all, you yourself say that MASSY went - simplified options! A M1928 / M1928A. turned out to be expensive.
        1. 0
          24 September 2014 16: 27
          Quote: Bayonet
          After all, you yourself say that MASSY went - simplified options! A M1928 / M1928A. turned out to be expensive.

          The total number of Tommy Ghana issued is approximately 1. And I think the M400 models among them are not so few, so we can say that the M000 was produced on a fairly large scale .. of course everything is relative.
      2. anomalocaris
        0
        24 September 2014 17: 09
        So Tommy Gun has become one of the most massive and most expensive WWII software.

        Sorry, the print runs of "Thompson" were not close to the runs of PPSh, STEN and MP-40.
        1. +2
          24 September 2014 18: 44
          I agree with the PCA and the WALL, but with the MP38 / 40 it’s quite comparable the Germans riveted about 1,1 million at the same time, about 1,75 million Tommigans riveted an auto order for a couple with Savage, of which about 500000 M1928-M1928A1
          1. 0
            24 September 2014 22: 19
            interesting and who for what minus? if someone does not agree so write in what?
            1. Victor-cort
              0
              25 September 2014 04: 49
              Quote: gross kaput
              interesting and who for what minus? if someone does not agree so write in what?

              most likely for supporting racially wrong PPs, patriots are indignant. laughing
          2. anomalocaris
            0
            25 September 2014 01: 08
            I agree. With MP38 / 40 got excited.
  4. +1
    24 September 2014 11: 26
    That the store is located horizontally-plus for lying firing. Lower silhouette height. But, what if the original Parabellum is deployed so that the store is on the left (and it’s more convenient to hold it and change it), and the shutter on the right, the spent cartridges shot in the face will not fly an arrow.
  5. -1
    24 September 2014 11: 53
    I am not special in weapons, but when I look at the sample quickly, questions immediately arise:
    1. Why is the store RIGHT? Obviously inconvenient when changing a store
    2. Where do the cartridges fly when fired? In the face? In the left hand holding the forearm?

    IMHO, weapons sharpened for left-handed people.
    As an example of design thought - interesting, but nothing more.
    1. 0
      24 September 2014 13: 20
      Well done. Half an hour passed and you repeated me ...
    2. 0
      24 September 2014 15: 23
      Quote: tolancop

      IMHO, weapons sharpened for left-handed people

      What do you think about the shutter cocking handle on the AK cocking on the right, and the MP-39 on the left? Are the Germans all left-handed? Personally, I did not notice.
  6. +1
    24 September 2014 12: 06
    the artillery model "Parabellum" is a good machine, I would not mind on occasion. Only under 9mm. cartridge.
  7. 0
    24 September 2014 12: 13
    ... and yet the title is a mistake. You have to read -Furrer, Führer would be written-Fuerrer.Do not chase beautiful headlines, generating errors.
    1. +1
      24 September 2014 12: 42
      Quote: 00105042
      Must be read-Furrer

      Most likely you are right:
      The name of the Austrian composer and conductor Beat Furrer is pronounced Beat Furrer.
      But I don't see anything wrong with the play on words: after all, the Spyderco knife is called "Spyderka" and no one bothers.
      1. +1
        24 September 2014 18: 23
        Quote: 00105042
        Must be read-Furrer

        Damn, and I was seduced ... What kind of machine gun Fuhrer? And I have not heard about the use of the toggle mechanism in PP. Thanks to the author and all forum users! hi
        1. anomalocaris
          0
          25 September 2014 01: 12
          In principle, the same thing, but only under an intermediate cartridge.

          1. evgenius
            0
            25 September 2014 10: 40
            and what is it? interesting thing.
            1. anomalocaris
              -1
              25 September 2014 15: 53
              Can we read? So there, above the pictures, there is a record.
  8. +1
    24 September 2014 16: 05
    Quote: Bayonet
    I don’t understand why you are outraged? After all, you yourself say that MASSY went - simplified options! A M1928 / M1928A. turned out to be expensive.

    Where did it say to me that it was M1 / ​​A1 that went MASSOVO and M1928 / A1 were not? and you know what is the difference between the "simplified" M1 and M1928a1? - and it is very insignificant there - the rejection of the Blish insert in the shutter and the guides for the drum magazine - i.e. reduction in three parts and a dozen milling operations, which is a drop in the ocean with the total volume of machine operations for the manufacture of tommy. With М1а1 it is more complicated, there they reduced more, but even there milling of all parts.
    And I am outraged that you are putting everything upside down - the US Army did not take Thompson into service in 20-30 xx not because it is expensive or complicated, but because it had no need for PP as a weapon class.
    1. +1
      24 September 2014 16: 34
      Quote: gross kaput
      and you know what is the difference between the "simplified" M1 and M1928a1? - and it is very insignificant there - the rejection of the Blish insert in the shutter and the guides for the drum magazine - i.e. reduction in three parts

      also Cutts compensator removed)))
      Quote: gross kaput
      And I am outraged that you are putting everything upside down - the US Army did not take Thompson into service in 20-30 xx not because it is expensive or complicated, but because it had no need for PP as a weapon class.

      Tommy gun managed to shoot even in Yugoslavia in the late 90s ...
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      2. +1
        24 September 2014 18: 11
        With the compensator, everything is not so simple, if you look at the assembly drawing of M1928A1 for 1941, it becomes clear that the A1 model could be both with fins and compensators and without them, the same goes for aiming ones - on A1 they could be as complex adjustable frame diopter pillars and primitive not adjustable.
    2. anomalocaris
      0
      24 September 2014 17: 13
      Just for nothing? Nude ... Yes laughing
    3. 0
      24 September 2014 21: 00
      Quote: gross kaput
      US Army did not take Thompson into service in 20-30 xx

      Did I write about the years 20-30? Meant the Second World! In 1939, the army received everything - only 3630 barrels, then in 1940 - 200 thousand, and the next 350 thousand. “Tommy Ghans” were distinguished by high reliability due to careful manufacturing, which could not but affect the price.
      Therefore, in April 1942, “Thompson” was somewhat simplified taking into account the requirements of wartime. Blish’s shutter with braking was replaced by a massive free one, a box-shaped 30-round magazine was designed instead of a complex and large disk one, and until 43 years old they produced 285 thousand assault rifles under the M1 marking. At the same time, M1A1 was also released, in which the drummer was rigidly fixed in the bolt and a constant diopter sight was used. Until 1944, 540 thousand M1 and M1A1 were made, and some were delivered to the USSR under Lend-Lease.
      1. 0
        24 September 2014 22: 25
        Well, you confused yourself
        Quote: Bayonet
        Because of this, Thompson did not join the army en masse.

        Quote: Bayonet
        I don’t understand why you are outraged? After all, you yourself say that MASSY went - simplified options! A M1928 / M1928A. turned out to be expensive.

        Quote: Bayonet
        Did I write about the years 20-30? Meant the Second World! In 1939, the army received everything - only 3630 barrels, then in 1940 - 200 thousand, and the next 350 thousand. The Tommy Ghans were highly reliable due to careful manufacturing, which could not but affect the price. Therefore, in April 1942, the Thompson was somewhat simplified in view of the requirements of wartime.

        Something you have thoughts rushing from one extreme to the other, at first Tommy did not go to the army, then he went but M1928A1 was not massive although you also voiced the figure of 750000 pcs M1928A1, you at least decide what is a mass production weapon for you.
        1. 0
          25 September 2014 07: 44
          Quote: gross kaput
          , you at least decide what is a mass production weapon for you.

          AK-47 ! Over 60 years, more than 70 million Kalashnikov assault rifles of various modifications have been produced. They are in service with 50 foreign armies
          1. +1
            25 September 2014 13: 03
            Yeah, all that less is not mass for you? nude, far go my friend with such a grand scale!
  9. Oleg Petrov
    +1
    24 September 2014 18: 14
    Interesting things came up with this Fuhrer.
  10. -1
    24 September 2014 20: 45
    The under-designer Furrer had nothing to do and he blinded this "miracle" from a semi-automatic pistol. Crazy hands even in Germany prevent some people from sleeping at night. Better to occupy my mind with something useful.
    1. +1
      24 September 2014 21: 32
      It’s easy to say, try to develop your own software, anyway, from whom you take what you copy. Try it, and we will judge laughing
      1. 0
        24 September 2014 21: 47
        The semi-automatic pistol was originally "PP". A slight change in the trigger is enough. And Makarov - PP, and TT - PP, and Yarygin - PP, and Browning - PP.

        What is there to invent something? There are some half-crafts. Here is Fedorov’s automaton, for example, this is already a mature product of design thought:
        1. evgenius
          0
          25 September 2014 10: 42
          strange! but it was not. while France and Germany had a current of stamps, a drain of skoka etif "Fedorov" could not abratsya to the people - like let's do it. kagechna! the people will throw him out like a parasite
      2. anomalocaris
        +1
        25 September 2014 15: 58
        This is just that easy. Another conversation is that after that I will be determined at least 5 years of general regime.
        Baby, you don’t carry it.
        1. 0
          25 September 2014 17: 55
          Another conversation is that after that I will be determined at least 5 years of general regime.
          What ? For development on paper 5 years give ??? It’s easy for you, so do it, no one asks you to do combat PP ...
          1. anomalocaris
            0
            26 September 2014 15: 42
            Baby, the free shutter is considered more than elementary. It is enough to make a pair of differential equations.
            But for research, and especially for manufacturing, they give it quite well.
    2. 0
      24 September 2014 21: 47
      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
      Crazy hands even in Germany prevent some from sleeping at night.

      Well, firstly, Furrer was Swiss.
      And secondly, don't forget - it's 1919! The very concept of automatic weapons was just in its infancy, and it was precisely as a result of experiments, including "wild" ones, that they came to preference for automation due to the removal of powder gases.
      In addition, as rightly noted above, the designer worked at the plant that produced "Parabellum". And it is quite natural that the idea of ​​not reinventing the wheel, but trying to adapt existing and proven technologies, was quite logical.
      1. 0
        24 September 2014 21: 51
        And in Switzerland what are the Cantons, are there no Germans there?
        1. 0
          25 September 2014 17: 01
          Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
          And in Switzerland what are the Cantons, are there no Germans there?

          Major, aren't your words ?:
          Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
          Crazy hands even in Germany prevent some from sleeping at night.
    3. 0
      25 September 2014 03: 36
      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
      The under-designer Furrer had nothing to do and he blinded this "miracle" from a semi-automatic pistol. Crazy hands even in Germany prevent some people from sleeping at night. Better to occupy my mind with something useful.

      before writing such hell I would have looked at the works of M. Kalashnikov in the Alma-Ata depot))) crafts from water pipes ... look like the Volksturm weapons of the end of the war.

      are there no Germans there?

      there .. Sig Sauer was founded by the Germans from Nuremberg
      1. +1
        25 September 2014 05: 29
        Quote: 290980
        before writing such hell I would have looked at the works of M. Kalashnikov in the Alma-Ata depot))) crafts from water pipes ... look like the Volksturm weapons of the end of the war.


        If you are talking about this, then it is completely different. Although I admit that you may have an excellent opinion laughing
  11. 0
    25 September 2014 00: 11
    Führer was clearly overdoing it. It was enough to add 2-3 parts for automatic firing to the same Parabellum artillery, and now you have a ready-made submachine gun. Stores of increased capacity were already manufactured for him, and the holster could be fastened as a stock.
    1. anomalocaris
      +1
      25 September 2014 01: 17
      Will not work. Well, the gun for automatic shooting has not been calculated!
      By the way, such experiments were carried out. All of them gave negative results.