Japanese weapons on the eve of the opening of the country

All submitted weapon manufactured at the very end of the Edo period around 1850, shortly before the opening of the country.

Teppo - Japanese arquebus. Length 67 cm. Shape of the trunk - standard octagonal. The barrel is decorated with engraved floral designs. Teppo has a wick trigger with a protective cap. Charged with a barrel. It has a trigger, front sight and sight. The box and the handle are made of Japanese oak and varnished, the box is decorated with a beautiful ornament with curling foliage of gold. On top of the handle is a camon (generic emblem) in the form of the three leaves of the mallow daimyo (the great) of the Tokugawa or Matsudaira family (they have the same Kamon). The samurai of noble families from ancient times was made to decorate their weapons with the family emblem.

Another teppo - miniature, for hidden wearing. Figuratively speaking, this is a greatly reduced arquebus, a kind of wick pistol. Teppo dimensions: width 4,5, length 14 cm. The shape of the trunk is octagonal. The barrel is decorated with an ornament with curling foliage of gold. It has a front sight and a sight. There is a wick trigger on the teppo. The lock plate is made of copper and gold alloy. Charged with a barrel. On the trunk and on the wooden lacquered handle in a variety are applied Kamon daimyo of Tokugawa or Matsudaira clans.

Big teppo with the monk of the Tokugawa-Matsudaira family. Length xnumx see

Yoroidoshi tant ((punching knife, armor penetrating knife) with a monk of the Tokugawa-Matsudaira family. Length (total) 29 cm.

Wakidzasi (short sword of constant wear) with polychrome enamel with karashisha (Japanese lion dogs). Length (total) 65,5 cm.

Comments

[Ayujak]

I can’t even believe that they killed people like that. I am impressed by their sense of beauty. So present the obvious things.

[Dan4eG]

Kruuut !!! I would love to touch such things !!! Beautiful damn things were done by samurai !!!

[Tyumen]

Samurai only hoku wrote about all crap. Things were made by artisans.

[bazilio]

Quote: Dan4eG

I would love to touch such things !!

You need to touch it carefully, if anyone allowed himself to touch the blade with his fingers, then, at best, they would knock on a tambourine, or even immediately cut it.

[Syrdon]

piece goods, killing items elevated to the rank of a work of art)))

[padonok.71]

Once again I was convinced that the Japs can do anything, but not weapons!

[avt]

Quote: padonok.71

Once again I was convinced that the Japs can do anything, but not weapons!

They will make a tea ceremony from seks, and we will make a sax from any tea ceremony! And our approach is not so beautiful, but sooo nice!

[anomalocaris]

Sake - a lot of rubbish. The Japanese, when we prefer Kazakh cognac. Checked.

[Maki Avellevich]

Take an interest in Japanese steel, forging and generally weapons technology.

I am sure you will understand that they weren’t equal

[Mwg]

I agree that in the art of making swords, they and Toledo went around Damascus.

[anomalocaris]

In terms of thoroughness of manufacture, certainly yes, but the quality of the metal of Japanese blades is somewhat exaggerated. All the same, the tamahagane obtained in the cheese-making furnace is not crucible steel. So to speak about the superiority of Japanese masters over their counterparts from Spain or the Middle East (not to mention the Indians and Persians) is at least incorrect.
Z.Y. By the way, at the same time when all this beauty was being done in Japan, pudding stoves were inflated in England. In France, experimented with explosive mercury. In Russia, Catherine 2 corresponded with Voltaire, while Potemkin explained to the brilliant Porte that Crimea is Russian land.

[Kir]

So, for every Toledo blade, it’s not an European but an Eastern pedigree, look at the History of Spain and you will understand how much the Omeyads gave them. By the way, why didn’t you mention the Glorious Solingen, read it like our Zlatoust or Posad from the Nizhny Novgorod province.

[anomalocaris]

In what
My advice to you, you will be in Zlatoust, get to the Third International Square, rise a little up there. You will see Anosov’s house, the local museum of local lore is now located there. Come in, and, stupidly, fuck ...
And any artisan in this glorious city will bore you a katana.

[biglow]

swords are definitely ceremonial, they didn’t go into battle with them, they were even sharpened only once, immediately after manufacturing .. Samurai fought with simpler swords, with a simpler finish ..

[Tyumen]

Wakizashi (wakizashi) is a short sword for seppuku-ritual suicide. They don’t go into battle with him, although there were schools where they practiced the art of fighting with a short sword.

[Maki Avellevich]

"Although there were schools where the art of short sword fighting was practiced."

The Long Sword, as well as the Short one (also accompanying) were used by all schools. Short Sword preference began around the 16th century.

Miamoto Musashi (protected by the first blade of all times and peoples, 250 victories in duels)
categorically believed that Bushes should fight with the Long Sword and use the Short one exclusively in special circumstances, for example, a battle in narrow confining spaces.

Musashi also did not tolerate the two-handed technique on the handle. he saw in this technique a manifestation of physical weakness and tightness of the movement of the blade.

[Tyumen]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

Short Sword preference began around the 16th century.

What the fuck, preference? In your opinion, is it preferable to use a short one in a battle against a long sword? Wakizashi was used in rooms, corridors, in a dense forest, you yourself wrote it.

[Maki Avellevich]

"In your opinion, is it preferable to use a short sword in a fight against a long sword?"

I never chopped my sword, thank God God did not allow me to go beyond 5.56. my opinion therefore weighs little.

but in the 16th century there were schools that saw (not competently) the advantage of short-tossing even in open space.

ps there were schools that preferred to move in short jumps during a duel, everything happened.

[Tyumen]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

short jumps in

Yes, quit. All the jumps and dashes this already refers to the ninjutsu. The fight of the samurai was reduced to waiting in the rack and 1-2 blows. And it was not necessary anymore. With such and such a weight of the sword. This is in Hollywood waving a katana like a light sword.

[Kir]

Regarding the weight of the katana, it is not so big, and the epee is different in weight and length, and with regards to the technique, here you are right.

[anomalocaris]

Katana has a mass of 800-1500 grams. Tati - up to 2 kg.

[Mwg]

The short sword was used along with the main sword in the case when there were more than four opponents, or when the battle was in a confined space. Samurai ALWAYS passed away of his own free will only with the help of HIS sword. On the battlefield, in the event of the loss of a short sword, this was done with the help of the main one.

[anomalocaris]

When there are more than four opponents, the machine is much more successfully used ...
You should not watch a movie about martial arts in the coming dream.

[abrakadabre]

The Japanese feature is completely and fully manifested: to perfect the existing samples, to create a really new one with the pathological problem. As a result: three hundred years trampling in place with wick guns and their endless copying with super cool embellishment.
Europe, however, has gone far ahead, having long since moved from a wick to more advanced technologies.

[Analgin]

PMSM saber-flamberg will still be abruptly.

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: abrakadabre

Europe, however, has gone far ahead, having long since moved from a wick to more advanced technologies.

because Japan did not fight with anyone other than civil strife.

and the engine of progress in military affairs is war itself.

one people will come up with something new and goes with these weapons to try on another people, they lose. but then he comes up with how to give an answer to that weapon, and so on with transitions of victory from one to another.

for example, development took place in this triangle of elements: infantry-archers / artillery-cavalry, one hits the other, the other hits the third, the third hits the first. and each element tried to become stronger in order to resist the other two elements.

a square beats cavalry, a cavalry beats artillery, artillery beats a square.

[avt]

Quote: Max_Bauder

because Japan did not fight with anyone other than civil strife.

In Korea, they landed and cut on swords and with a firearm with the Koreans and the Chinese who came to their aid.

Quote: Max_Bauder

a square beats cavalry, a cavalry beats artillery, artillery beats a square.

Especially when the artillerymen are drunk, or not trained, or raw gunpowder, well, or when the general has drunk canister shot, In other cases, especially when there is infantry cover, the cavalry goes for the sausage, and all, together with bows, arrows, muskets and sabers, and horsemen ... Ah. Yes - you can also catch artillery on the march, as well as infantry and cavalry. But on the whole - yes, the war is really an "engine".

[anomalocaris]

In Korea, they landed and cut on swords and with a firearm with the Koreans and the Chinese who came to their aid.

Yeah. These tales were very fond of listening to Admiral Perry in 1854 ... It makes no difference in what state the gunners are, if only swordsmen are against them.

[makhonin. 1956]

What graceful little things !!!

[psiho117]

Velmy is beautiful, plus.

For those who claim that the japas have bypassed both Toledo and Damascus - well, do not tell me ... Yes, they made beautiful and stylish things out of their bad iron. With which it was impossible to hit either other blade — it would be jerked off to the edge of a fen, nor to strike at an armored enemy — it would become dull.
Prior to the Indian Damascus, they felt like walking to the moon.

[Tyumen]

True write. The best damask steel was Indian. * Taban *, * Hindi *, - the best varieties of Indian damask steel, Iranian damask steel was no worse. But once again Syrian damask steel * Damascus *, * Sham *, were considered the second grade, as well as Turkish ones.

[Kir]

Well, that’s why probably Ansov’s steel is compared either with Damascus or Bulat, then some Iranian, maybe Persian, all the same, and then Damascus, by some estimates, was up to 500 grades, to argue with this info without literature to me to no purpose, because studied at MISiS.

[Tyumen]

Well, Persia is Iran. Just wrote without correlation over the centuries.

[igorspb]

A very beautiful weapon, what else can I say ....

[Aydar]

Quote: Tyumen

Samurai only hoku wrote about all crap. Things were made by artisans.

Samurai did not shy away from work and not only wrote hoku, it is even known that the eighty-second emperor of Japan, Go Toba, was a skilled blacksmith and gunsmith.

[Tyumen]

Yes, I know, even some blacksmiths were samurai (or vice versa?). But these are isolated cases.

[Kostya pedestrian]

Prehistoric monsters! What is this craving for antediluvian. Do you know how Belarusian rifle is? Dubaltovka!

I can come up with another example of a truly modern weapon: I studied the data on the Australian federal elections in 2001, and even thought about whether it could report white mails, otherwise black mails can use such numbers. Now it’s clear why the Japanese get the most profitable contracts, and our country is losing production and scientific base.


Although, no matter how mercenaries from Africa scared me, saying that the most people died from hippos, I looked at their teeth and thought - why is this demon behemos terrible for Belaz?

Their hypnosis does not affect me.

[EvigKrig]

Beautiful things

[code54]

The beauty! The finish is simply amazing in quality and for that time !!! What did they add to the varnish at the small piercing knife? buzz !!!

[anomalocaris]

For what time? This is the middle of the 19th century! Read the article carefully and, preferably, from the first line.

[Kir]

To the author a few questions
1) As far as I remember the lion-dog, sometimes a Chinese or Heavenly dog ​​is called Karaishi, according to some, this is one of the Chow Chow breeds
2) According to the technique of making a picture on the trunk, there are doubts that this thread is, since there are no characteristic traces of the entrance and exit of the cutter, rather something similar to minting or etching with subsequent fine-tuning
And the article itself, or rather the illustrated "album" Unambiguous Bold Plus.

[Tyumen]

Quote: Kir

according to some, this is one of the Chow Chow breeds

Correctly. According to legend, the chow-chow is the fruit of the love of a lion and a monkey.

[Kir]

Honestly, I have not heard about such a legend