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News of the project "Armata"

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Over the past few years, various military equipment from the Russian armed forces has taken part in parades on Red Square. Regularly, parades show new designs adopted recently. Next year it is planned for the first time to present to the public several new tracked combat vehicles, which are currently being developed.


News of the project "Armata"
General Director of JSC "NPK" Uralvagonzavod "Oleg Sienko
© ITAR-TASS / Dmitry Astakhov


Oleg Sienko, Director General of Uralvagonzavod Corporation, spoke about the plans to demonstrate new technology to the ITAR-TASS news agency. According to him, on May 9, 2015, during the parade dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the victory in the Great Patriotic War, the first public display of equipment of the Armata family will be held. The area will be the main Tanks the new model, as well as several armored vehicles of other types, created on the basis of a common armored platform. The specific list of armored vehicles planned for display next year was not called.

The works on the new project of the universal platform are proceeding without any delays. Moreover, the general director of “Uralvagonzavod” noted that the creation of “Almaty” is proceeding somewhat ahead of the established schedule. In the course of testing prototypes of new technology, the characteristics laid down in the technical specifications of the Ministry of Defense are confirmed. Thus, 9 May next year on Red Square will be able to pass several new armored vehicles, built on the basis of a single platform.

A few days later, new information about the Armata project appeared. September 14 news agency ITAR-TASS, citing its sources in the Ministry of Defense reported that the supply of serial tanks "Armata" to the troops will begin in 2016 year. Prior to the start of deliveries of new technology, it is supposed to update the fleet of tank units by upgrading existing armored vehicles. So, by the end of this year, about 150 modernized T-72B3 tanks will be transferred to the troops.

The demonstration of the Armata tanks at the parade in 2015 year became known relatively long ago, back in the 2012 year. Since then, various information about the development of a new project has appeared, but plans to demonstrate the technology in Red Square remained in force. A few days ago, O. Sienko confirmed this. Before him, the last time the topic of participation of tanks "Armat" in the Victory Parade was raised in May of this year.

During the exhibition of weapons and military equipment KADEX-2014 (Kazakhstan), Deputy General Director of "Uralvagonzavod" for special equipment Vyacheslav Khalitov said that the company is preparing to fulfill the order associated with the upcoming parade on Red Square. By March, 2015, the UVZ corporation must build a lot of Armata armored platforms and Coalition-SV self-propelled artillery systems. The construction of this technology was organized in a short time.

From the words of V. Khalitov, it follows that by the spring of next year, the party of Armata armored vehicles and the Coalition-SV self-propelled guns, intended for demonstration at the parade, will be built. At the same time several months earlier, at the end of 2014 - the beginning of 2015, it was planned to transfer to the Ministry of Defense a batch of prototypes of promising equipment. From this it follows that at present Uralvagonzavod is engaged in the construction of two batches of new military equipment at once.

The project of the universal platform "Armata" has been developed for several years, but so far all the available information about it is extremely scarce. It is known that in the course of the new project it is planned to create a universal chassis that can become the basis for armored vehicles for various purposes. The first plan is to develop the main tank and establish its mass production. In addition, the family of vehicles will include a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, an armored recovery vehicle, self-propelled artillery installations and other types of equipment.

The highest priority currently has the project of the main tank on the basis of "Almaty". In recent years, some information about the appearance of this car has become public. So, it is known that in the project of a prospective tank it was decided to abandon the classical layout of the internal units of the hull. In addition, the entire crew of the combat vehicle will be assembled in a single manned volume, isolated from the crew compartment. In this regard, the tank will be equipped with a combat module with remote control.

Of great interest is the armament complex promising tank. It is known that the caliber of the gun used will remain the same - 125 mm, however, according to some data, it was decided to abandon the mastered 246М gun in favor of the newer 2X82. However, in the absence of official information, this assumption may not be true. The use of an uninhabited fighting compartment leads to the need to create automatic loading and a number of auxiliary systems. In addition, this feature of a promising tank will affect a number of features of its appearance.

In mid-June of this year, the management of Uralvagonzavod revealed some details of the Armata project. It was argued that in the course of the ongoing tests, the new equipment confirms the declared characteristics, which allows it to work in accordance with the previously established schedule. Technical details of the project were not disclosed.

Creating a new military equipment is quite a challenge, which may require a lot of time to solve. Nevertheless, as follows from the statements of the management of the corporation "Uralvagonzavod", the creation of a universal platform "Armata" goes without any serious problems, so that the new equipment can be demonstrated next year. The only cause for concern is the deadline for completing the tests and fine-tuning the new tank and other vehicles of the family. These works may take several months or several years. However, the latest information on the progress of the Armata project allows us to hope for the best and wait for 9 on May 2015 of the year when tanks of the new model will be shown to the public for the first time.


On the materials of the sites:
http://itar-tass.com/
http://arms-expo.ru/
http://ria.ru/
http://vestnik-rm.ru/
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  1. Alan
    Alan 16 September 2014 09: 11
    14
    another portion of promises.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 16 September 2014 09: 18
      13
      Quote: Alan
      another portion of promises.

      with such a manual UpalVagonZavoda .. YES ... CONTINUOUS))))) SECRET NOODLES)))))

      (((strokes to the portrait))) this O. Sienko .. one tie for 3 pieces $$$ - a whip, not a man .... This is not to do tanks, but perfume am
      1. Alan
        Alan 16 September 2014 11: 33
        25
        SECRET NOODLES)))))


        You have no idea how secret)))))) We do not know much. Here is an excerpt and articles from the English magazine "The Economist"

        Despite the fact that by the end of the decade the army will have a certain number of T-50 fighters in service, the main support of the air forces will remain the advanced SU-27 and MiG-29, which were developed back in the 1970s. The navy is gradually acquiring new corvettes and frigates, but Russian industry cannot produce larger vessels. The army is preparing to replace Soviet-era ships with patrol vessels of the Armata family, but this will not happen soon.

        Read more: http://inosmi.ru/world/20140525/220563567.html#ixzz3DSfiGQdX
        1. axpert2008
          axpert2008 16 September 2014 12: 34
          39
          "... by patrol ships of the Armata family ??? The British press, as usual, is on top! fool They just forgot to mention small arms such as "ash-tree", "buldava" combat motorcycles and "armor-abc" body armor ...
          1. Kir
            Kir 16 September 2014 17: 25
            +2
            By the way, about armored vehicles, it's strange, but for some reason, VO doesn't seem to exist, but in August September of this year, a new sample was presented with some kind of "amplifier" Par-Aramid, sort of like from Kamatekhnologigia (Kama is exactly in the name there) as stated in the article has no analogues.
            And with regards to zhurnalyug, so they forgot to see their native, or something else because it is more natural for Fleet Armada, not Armat, although what to expect when they piled something about the railgun .....
        2. vvdmitriyvv
          vvdmitriyvv 16 September 2014 12: 46
          12
          but do not you think that they write this so that their soldiers do not crap for a long time before the start of the war? I see that the shipyards are working to the fullest, one after the other the launching of new vessels into the water, and moment29 in general is a long history - this is a fact! My brother, I’ve been retired for a long time, but even with him there were already planes much newer ... I don’t know how things are with the tanks, but the modernized T72s are definitely not the ones that were with the scoop! and the t-90s haven’t been released so much ... another thing is whether there will be a Kursk arc in the 21st century ...
          1. ermolai
            ermolai 16 September 2014 16: 38
            +1
            Quote: vvdmitriyvv
            will there be a Kursk arc in the 21st century ..

            but they burn like candles, judging by the shots from dill, and still explode from the inside like firecrackers, and during large-scale operations, there will not be enough personnel tankers, and the guys will go who were driving tanks in the computer, and these will burn even faster, so it takes a lot to have and of course better abramchik with leopolds.
            1. papik09
              papik09 16 September 2014 17: 10
              10
              Quote: ermolai
              judging by the frames from dill

              hi
              Sir, on footage from our dill repeat not T-72 is burning, but, quietly, T-64BV repeat
              1. mister2013
                mister2013 16 September 2014 17: 48
                +7
                They both burn the same, and Abrams too (there are a lot of videos on the network) !! It all depends on the CREW ...
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 16 September 2014 18: 43
                  +5
                  Quote: mister2013
                  They both burn the same, and Abrams too (there are a lot of videos on the network) !! It all depends on the CREW ...

                  Well, and how often do you come across photos of a damaged T-72 where the case is torn into tattered tricks? In Chechnya, you can find evidence that some tanks (T-72) withstood up to 8 hits. There is no such data on the T-64: hit - and the tank is out of order.
                  Interview with "Aydarovts":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ_n6bsTZ44
                  1. Lenivets
                    Lenivets 16 September 2014 22: 44
                    +3
                    No need to exaggerate. Protection that 64, that 72 is about the same. The difference is only in the training and morale of the crews. Ours in Chechnya fought to the last, and Ukrainians after the first hit leave the tank, regardless of its performance.
                2. Evgen_Vasilich
                  Evgen_Vasilich 26 October 2014 18: 23
                  0
                  and from the interaction of the combat arms
            2. Starley from the south
              Starley from the south 16 September 2014 20: 15
              +2
              Burn and explode in Dill T-64. T-72 is not enough there, and even those are non-modernized, i.e. really do not reach the level of T-90, and even to T-72Б3
              1. Kars
                Kars 16 September 2014 21: 07
                +2
                Quote: Starley from the South
                and explode in dill
              2. anrykaluga
                anrykaluga 16 September 2014 22: 19
                +4
                T 72B3 say .... But what is this ?!! ... Tankers guess the model of the trophy ... Pay attention to the foreign block ... Specialists what kind of modification and where it comes from in Dill ????? !!!!. ..
                1. Lenivets
                  Lenivets 16 September 2014 22: 46
                  0
                  The modernized (it seems the Israelis) T-72. What's the question?
                  1. Saburo
                    Saburo 17 September 2014 00: 36
                    +5
                    What kind of Israelis? The device says Thales. This is a French company that supplies UVZ electronics for tanks. Their thermal imagers are on all of our modern tanks, up to and including the T-90. They do not cooperate with Ukrainian enterprises. The militia probably won’t even think that there can be French parts in a Russian tank.
                  2. avdkrd
                    avdkrd 17 September 2014 01: 09
                    0
                    Quote: Lenivets
                    The modernized (it seems the Israelis) T-72. What's the question?

                    The question was - where from ?. The answer is apparently from Georgia ...
                2. Phantom Revolution
                  Phantom Revolution 16 September 2014 22: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: anrykaluga
                  T 72B3 say .... But what is this ?!! ... Tankers guess the model of the trophy ... Pay attention to the foreign block ... Specialists what kind of modification and where it comes from in Dill ????? !!!!. ..

                  I suppose Poland transferred ukram, it is most likely t-72M. Т72БЗ - it makes no sense to get angry if there are storage warehouses + leftovers in the Crimea.
                3. Kars
                  Kars 16 September 2014 23: 04
                  +1
                  So this is the T-72B3
                  1. Phantom Revolution
                    Phantom Revolution 16 September 2014 23: 14
                    0
                    Why is this T-72BZ? T-72BZ did not sell to Poland.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 16 September 2014 23: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Phantom Revolution
                      Why is this T-72BZ? T-72BZ did not sell to Poland.

                      B3 no one except the Russian Federation, and now Ukraine.)))
                      and why the Russian Federation is so hot this question is not for me. You may want to invent it, but it’s the T-72B3 and it looks like it’s right from the factory, bypassing the military units, since there is no side number and it is not painted over, but it just isn’t.
                  2. Cynic
                    Cynic 17 September 2014 09: 24
                    +4
                    Quote: Kars
                    So this is the T-72B3

                    Pine-U means, but why does it look different from other machines?
                    And the cover was removed, fear completely lost?
                  3. Tankman
                    Tankman 30 September 2014 13: 10
                    0
                    This is T-72B3, with the "Sosna U" complex, the APU (video viewing device) stands under the control panel of the thermal imager, to the left of the control panel, the ASC switch (automatic target tracking).
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 30 September 2014 13: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Tanker
                      This is T-72B3, with the "Sosna U" complex

                      This is you about the screen posted earlier by a forum member Kars or how, what I laid out B3 I think and so it’s clear _
                4. doxtop
                  doxtop 17 September 2014 10: 48
                  +7
                  The photo most likely shows a T-72B3 tank. This is clearly indicated by the "box" of the gunner's sight from the "Sosna-U". But there may be a T-72M1M. A similar OMS was installed on it. The T-72M1M model was created for export supplies. How many such modernized 72-k were sold and where exactly were sold there is no absolutely reliable data.
                  Visually, the T-72M1M tank from the T-72B3 can be distinguished by the DZ blocks mounted on the VLD and partially by the NLD. On "EMK" they resemble more the "nose" of Western tanks. Although! At the request of the customer, either standard T-72M protection can be left, or Contact-5 blocks can be placed.
                  This video gives a 50% probability to assert both that the T-72BZ from the Russian Armed Forces were transferred to the militia "on the quiet", and that the T-72M1M could be bought by Ukraine from some third country.
                  I can’t judge. wassat
                5. PeaceByForce
                  PeaceByForce 17 September 2014 12: 03
                  +2
                  In Slovakia, 30 pieces of 72x M1M were.
            3. Lenivets
              Lenivets 16 September 2014 22: 39
              +2
              During the war, all tanks burn like candles! The only difference is how much it will stretch on the battlefield before it burns down, and a lot of it depends on the crews and tactics of application.
        3. Wedmak
          Wedmak 16 September 2014 12: 46
          +3
          Soviet-era vessels by the Armata family patrol vessels

          Hmm .. maybe we don’t know what? laughing
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 16 September 2014 13: 17
            +8
            So they also swim? !! In the near ocean zone? !!
            Oooh-baaal-deeeee !!!!!!!
            wassat
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 16 September 2014 15: 54
              +2
              Quote: abrakadabre
              So they also swim? !! In the near ocean zone? !!
              Oooh-baaal-deeeee !!!!!!!
              wassat

              for the near we have TFR, it is visible to the far.
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 17 September 2014 10: 04
                +6
                for the near we have TFR, it is visible to the far.
                And so I see the picture: on the bisector of the Atlantic, their AUG is taken in ticks by a tank division. HZ than amers fight with such!
                Low profile, DZ + robust armor, small size, allowing you to tarry behind the crests of the waves. The abundance of weak targets and high maneuverability drives their battle computers crazy. Burke do not shoot SM-kami and harpoons direct fire. Torpedoes pass deep under the bottom. Anti-aircraft guns cannot lower the muzzle so low, or aiming radars vainly search for the Doppler shift of too slow targets. A hundred tank guns shoot without ceasing, sweeping away add-ons, antennas and everything that pierces the OFS or BOPS, the benefit of the target is so huge that it is impossible to miss ...
                Ship crews are hysterical - in the center of the Atlantic are tanks !!!!! Is it a delirium tremens ?! Is it a nightmare ?!
                Those who wish can complement the picture ...

                Eh ... imagination ran out
                wassat
            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS 16 September 2014 16: 07
              14
              no, don’t swim, swim, every sailor knows what. They walk, like apostles across the water fellow ..Also they fly and crawl and curse heavily laughingAnd if you process it with a file, then in general you can fly into space repeat
          2. typhoon7
            typhoon7 16 September 2014 13: 30
            +3
            I am trying to imagine the vessels of the "Armata" family, with all my rich imagination, nothing happens. laughing
            1. Ryndabul
              Ryndabul 16 September 2014 17: 00
              +7
              Imagine four armada dragged onto a pontoon. This will be the four-arm tank carrier! fellow wassat
              1. Rocket
                Rocket 17 September 2014 01: 26
                +1
                No, a hundred armatures platforms and here we have an aircraft carrier. And we can collect the train. Tired of the train / aircraft carrier - we will also analyze the tanks again. Damn, except for jokes, but it would be nice to develop such a platform
            2. Starley from the south
              Starley from the south 16 September 2014 20: 17
              +1
              The British journalists are paid for the fact that they lied more. Nothing that we will not believe, the English inhabitants will believe.
          3. Neksel
            Neksel 16 September 2014 16: 34
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak
            Soviet-era vessels by the Armata family patrol vessels

            Hmm .. maybe we don’t know what? laughing

            It looks like the English language, in order to read the original and make sure that this is a translator of the article not. Never, but in the original everything is just grammatically written.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 16 September 2014 16: 59
              +3
              It looks like English to read the original

              I do not argue, I have tight with human languages.
          4. Ryndabul
            Ryndabul 16 September 2014 16: 56
            +2
            Moe, are a couple of aircraft carriers wrapped up on the Armata platform?
        4. Neksel
          Neksel 16 September 2014 15: 41
          19
          Quote: Alan
          SECRET NOODLES)))))


          You have no idea how secret)))))) We do not know much. Here is an excerpt and articles from the English magazine "The Economist"

          Despite the fact that by the end of the decade the army will have a certain number of T-50 fighters in service, the main support of the air forces will remain the advanced SU-27 and MiG-29, which were developed back in the 1970s. The navy is gradually acquiring new corvettes and frigates, but Russian industry cannot produce larger vessels. The army is preparing to replace Soviet-era ships with patrol vessels of the Armata family, but this will not happen soon.

          Read more: http://inosmi.ru/world/20140525/220563567.html#ixzz3DSfiGQdX


          Unfortunately, another example of mediocre propaganda, in the hope that the people are not very at ease with languages ​​and hawala what they feed, if only to show "how stupid everyone in the West is."
          Anyone who is so happy to mock here would be better off mocking such a "talented" translator of this article.
          Do not be lazy and open the original here (By the way, there is a link under the article itself, you don’t even need to look for it) - http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21602743-money-and-reform-have-given-russia
          -armed-forces-it-can-use-putins-new-model-army.
          Now we read - "... The navy is getting new corvettes and frigates, but the industry cannot produce bigger vessels: hence the order of two Mistral ships from France." - Approximately: "The fleet receives new corvettes and frigates, but the industry is unable to produce large ships: hence the order for 2 Mistrals from France".
          and immediately follows:
          "The army is to replace Soviet armor with the Armata family of tracked vehicles, but not yet." - Which translates roughly: "The army is going to replace the armored vehicles of the Soviet era with the armored family of Armata, but not yet."

          Well, where does it say about the "patrol ships of the Armata class".
          1. STALGRAD76
            STALGRAD76 16 September 2014 16: 40
            +1
            Nuuuu you damn it, you see that the article did not impress anyone (noodles), people need to switch and find a topic to laugh at (tie, suit, design bureau are not the same, the English article is not competent, etc.) and you are all "mediocre propaganda "
            1. Neksel
              Neksel 16 September 2014 18: 09
              +3
              Quote: STALGRAD76
              Nuuuu you damn it, you see that the article did not impress anyone (noodles), people need to switch and find a topic to laugh at (tie, suit, design bureau are not the same, the English article is not competent, etc.) and you are all "mediocre propaganda "

              Yes to health. fellow Already with something and with reasons to hang out and defecate will not feel deficiency.
              Here I am - on the topic of "translator". wink
          2. andj61
            andj61 16 September 2014 21: 03
            +2
            Quote: Neksel
            Roughly: "The fleet receives new corvettes and frigates, but the industry is not able to produce large ships: hence the order for 2 Mistrals from France".
            and immediately follows:
            "The army is to replace Soviet armor with the Armata family of tracked vehicles, but not yet." - Which translates roughly: "The army is going to replace the armored vehicles of the Soviet era with the armored family of Armata, but not yet."
            Well, where does it say about the "patrol ships of the Armata class".


            Oh, and they make a fool on our brother’s site http://inosmi.ru/!
            But the original is no better either: vague doubts torment me that the Mistrals from France are not taken at all due to the fact that our ships are not able to build large ships - the thing is completely different.
            And our economist opponents are also well aware of this.
          3. Lenivets
            Lenivets 16 September 2014 22: 51
            +3
            The article is clearly distorted. The industry is able to produce large ships, but there is no order for them (the doctrine does not provide for their creation). As for the Mistrals, the issue is generally separate and, unfortunately, has nothing to do with the country's defense capability.
          4. avdkrd
            avdkrd 17 September 2014 01: 14
            +1
            Quote: Neksel
            Well, where does it say about "Armata-class patrol ships"

            Come on. Why don't you let us mock? They still have a bunch of materials about the personality cult in Russia, the dictator Putin and totalitarianism - why not translate them in the version of "Goblin" ????
        5. smart Fox
          smart Fox 16 September 2014 16: 15
          +3
          Stumble, and Nizhny Tagil - a large shipyard, goes. Neighing.
        6. silver_roman
          silver_roman 16 September 2014 17: 23
          +1
          all right, flying armored aircraft carriers of the armata project. didn’t you all know? Rogozin personally oversees the project yes
        7. jovanni
          jovanni 16 September 2014 19: 24
          +1
          Oh my ... She's also a ship! From this I understand the versatility of the platform ... Or maybe it will also fly? Well, until the ninth of May, time wagon! If with British help then, again, wings can be added!
        8. Yars
          Yars 17 September 2014 19: 11
          +1
          Do you trust Alan so much and listen to the Western press? I assure you, you will not read and hear anything good about Russia! Anyway, everyone can sit and criticize someone, not being in that place, but would he be in that situation or in that situation, would he achieve other successes or deadlines?
      2. IIIIvanov
        IIIIvanov 16 September 2014 11: 42
        33
        Good afternoon, dear!
        I don’t know how it relates to the promises of this director of the plant, usually they (the directors) are better than anyone else, they know the real situation and the possibilities of the factories they manage.
        But as for the tie, you are completely unaware of this subject.
        Apparently you do not have the opportunity to buy and wear expensive ties.
        A tie from "Keaton", for example, in Moscow costs no more than $ 150, according to our 3500-4300 rubles, the named company is one of the best.
        I don’t know how in tanks, but you definitely don’t understand the management of large enterprises and ties!
        Sincerely.
        1. padonok.71
          padonok.71 16 September 2014 12: 12
          +9
          В
          Quote: IIIIvanov
          you definitely don’t understand ties

          YES, YES for a MAN it is very important!
        2. papik09
          papik09 16 September 2014 17: 13
          +1
          Quote: IIIIvanov
          you definitely don’t understand ties!

          laughing , and he would try to chew a tie, aki Sakishvili wassat may begin to understand repeat
        3. andj61
          andj61 16 September 2014 21: 12
          +2
          Quote: IIIIvanov
          But as for the tie, you are completely unaware of this subject ...
          I don’t know how in tanks, but you definitely don’t understand the management of large enterprises and ties!


          Well, jedem das seine, suum cuique, in general, to each his own.
          Although, to determine the model and cost of a tie from a not very large photograph - it really needs to be a specialist - in ties, of course, and not in managing large enterprises.
          1. IIIIvanov
            IIIIvanov 17 September 2014 20: 34
            0
            Dear andj61!
            But I didn’t indicate either which (brand) tie is or how much it costs. I argued that there are no ties for three thousand dollars; they don’t sell such ties, in any case, sewn from silk. And he gave an example of the cost of ties of one very famous and expensive company.
            Ties for 3 thousand greens, this is from the stories of M. Zadornov, about stupid new Russians.
            Well, as for the management of factories, then in fact I know what I'm writing about.
            Sincerely.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 18 September 2014 07: 23
              +1
              Quote: IIIIvanov
              Ties for 3 thousand greens, this is from the stories of M. Zadornov, about stupid new Russians.

              And on eBay they are being trafficked from ignorance!
              BRIONI _ one and a half pieces, but HERMES KRAWATTE in CROCO MAT 100% ORIGINAL about six thousand (not rubles of course). wink
              Quote: IIIIvanov
              Well, as for the management of factories, then in fact I know what I'm writing about.

              Hmm, judging by your knowledge of ties, with regard to the management of factories, one can only hope for the best.
      3. K-50
        K-50 16 September 2014 12: 19
        11
        Quote: cosmos111
        this O. Sienko .. one tie for 3 $$$ - a whip

        Well, not in a quilted jacket, he will not communicate with the press, they don’t understand, here a quilted jacket doesn’t roll in the right direction to the image laughing
      4. lin
        lin 16 September 2014 21: 04
        0
        I completely agree. It is immediately obvious - from someone else. Typical effective manager of the era of EP. Tokom even tomorrow for agriculture, or to command the atom - no difference.
    2. yehat
      yehat 16 September 2014 11: 16
      0
      previously promised that the armor would be armed with an 155mm gun.
      Now they are talking about the 125mm gun.
      1. yehat
        yehat 16 September 2014 12: 30
        +5
        in the first message, a typo of 152mm.

        to thinking minusers
        http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-7579.htm
        http://gurkhan.blogspot.de/2013/04/80.html
        http://ruparis.ru/640

        Smoothbore gun "3A28 ″ caliber 152 mm for armament of armored vehicles. Considering the specifics of the application, a powerful gun was developed with powerful recoil damping systems in the form of muzzle brakes and a recoil system with a long gun travel, which allowed it to be mounted on a rather light chassis “RAU-152 ″.
        The ability to flexibly control the ballistics of the gun by adjusting the amount of injected HMV provides a wide selection of projectile flight paths and provides greater versatility in the use of equipment armed with this smoothbore gun.

        TTX smoothbore guns "3A28 ″.

        Gun mass: - 6.000 kg.

        Caliber guns: - 152 mm, smoothbore gun.

        Barrel length: - 53 calibers.

        Initial projectile speed: - up to 2.600 m / s.

        Maximum firing range: - up to 60 km.

        Rate of Fire: - up to 14 rds / min.

        Type of propellant charge: - ЖМВ. Two-component charge, two-component self-igniting diergoli.

        Injection method: - regenerative injection into the gun chamber.

        Amount of MV: - adjustable by a ballistic computer depending on the ballistics of the shot, up to 12 liters per “limit” shot.

        Projectile weight: - up to 55 kg.

        Standard shells: - OFS, OShS, ARS with GOS and KOBCH, a shell with 15 kt nuclear charge, "correctable" shells with optical-radar GOS, OBPS. Other types of standard 152 mm shells for smoothbore guns with HMV.

        Cradle of guns: - cast metal.

        Projectile rammer: - electromechanical conveyor belt.

        Gun shutter: - longitudinal cast.

        Gun ammunition: - automated selective.

        Anti-recoil devices: - 4 hydraulic with automatic return to its original position.

        Muzzle brake: - is.

        Ejector: - is.
        1. tchack
          tchack 16 September 2014 14: 00
          +7
          Quote: yehat
          Smoothbore gun "3A28 ″ caliber 152 mm for armament of armored vehicles


          Have you heard anything about GRAU indexes ??? The guns are located in the second group !!! In the third group - ammunition and missiles !!!!

          With 3A ... campaigning ammunition begins !!!

          PS for stupid: GRAU index for guns should start with 2, not 3 !!!!

          1. just exp
            just exp 16 September 2014 14: 49
            +1
            someone started a fairy tale with narod.ru, the speed of 2.6 km per second alone makes us think.
        2. badger1974
          badger1974 16 September 2014 15: 24
          0
          yehat - are you strong in mechanics? along the way to the elbow, you don’t get your nose, come to your senses, and take a pencil and whatever piece of paper you are and count what you piled up, damn me yelling from you, lay out other people's thoughts less, INET is infa, no more, but you need books too read the relevant literature, and not just stupidly put the conclusions of a certain non-output
        3. Albert1988
          Albert1988 17 September 2014 22: 38
          0
          If you study the topic in detail, you will understand that the 153 mm gun, if I am not mistaken, the 2A83 was developed for the "predecessor" of the armata "Object 195", which the press for some reason called the T-95. So, including a gun of this caliber, was one of the reasons for abandoning this monster, since huge funds were required to develop and establish the production of tank shells of this caliber, well, and a lot of other disadvantages, such as the huge weight of the weapon, an excessive increase in the silhouette of the machine.
      2. Postscriptum
        Postscriptum 16 September 2014 16: 12
        0
        The 155-mm gun will most likely be used by SPGs based on the Armata. Isn't it the same now when they put a heavy gun on the T-72 base and get a self-propelled gun?
      3. Cynic
        Cynic 16 September 2014 16: 41
        +1
        Quote: yehat
        previously promised that the armor would be armed with an 155mm gun.

        If only someone personally promised you something, and so there was talk of 152 mm, foreign 140 mm and even 135 mm.
        Last time, two, three years, they only talk about the new 2A82 / 125 mm.
        hi
      4. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 17 September 2014 00: 08
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        previously promised that the armor would be armed with an 155mm gun.
        Now they are talking about the 125mm gun.

        Armata was originally announced with the 125 mm gun. They planned to put the gun on the 152 mm on the T95, but even then they later abandoned this idea.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 16 September 2014 14: 57
      +4
      Quote: Alan
      another portion of promises.

      And what can he (director), in fact, tell interesting now?
      Show prototype appearance?
      Probably it could be done, but the appearance will tell a lot?
      And the true performance characteristics and design features have always been classified under the heading, and some of them are top secret.
      And it is right yes , although uninteresting.
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 September 2014 15: 52
      +2
      I'm glad of the optimism, of course, but "" A few days later, new information about the Armata project appeared. On September 14, the ITAR-TASS news agency, citing its sources in the Ministry of Defense, reported that the supply of serial Armata tanks to the troops would begin in 2016. "" what to promise in advance deliveries of what is not, or is not accepted ... it’s somehow self-confident. here we’ll see, and the fuel oil will say simply by looking from the side, the product has the right to life, or not, and then we dig deeper, and then -On biathlon ... and according to the results, a decision.
    5. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 16 September 2014 16: 56
      +3
      Quote: Alan
      another portion of promises

      It would be better if they put active defense systems on modernized tanks.
      It is necessary to cover the roof
    6. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 16 September 2014 19: 21
      +2
      Damn .... well, at least a few pictures, at least see what a miracle.
  2. vorobey
    vorobey 16 September 2014 09: 13
    12
    And the news is where ....
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 September 2014 09: 25
      12
      Quote: vorobey
      And the news is where ....

      How where, and what's that ...
      However, due to the lack of official information, this assumption may not be true.
  3. figwam
    figwam 16 September 2014 09: 18
    +2
    At least one eye ...
  4. ZU-23
    ZU-23 16 September 2014 09: 19
    +4
    Reminded, now again I will wait and be nervous angry
  5. padded jacket
    padded jacket 16 September 2014 09: 19
    +6
    What will it be? There is not much to wait.




    1. 222222
      222222 16 September 2014 10: 08
      10
      padded jacket (1) RU Today, 09:19
      What will it be? There is not much to wait. "... here are the assumptions ..

      http://vpk.name/library/f/armata.html
    2. Silencernt
      Silencernt 16 September 2014 10: 49
      +3
      3 picture is closest to the truth.
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 16 September 2014 11: 00
        +5
        Quote: SilencerNT
        3 picture is closest to the truth.

        And then they will not lead you to the scaffold? Watch out wink remember the homeland.
      2. sasha-bort
        sasha-bort 16 September 2014 11: 56
        +1
        It will not be in front of the engine compartment, it will be located classically.
      3. padded jacket
        padded jacket 16 September 2014 12: 08
        +2
        I also think so that the third picture, the most likely image of Almaty.

        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 16 September 2014 12: 49
          0
          Shells in the feed niche - like in Abrams. Reasonable ...
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 16 September 2014 13: 04
            10
            Why like Abrams? smile
            Maybe like the "Royal Tiger"
            1. user1212
              user1212 16 September 2014 13: 08
              12
              Why then not the T-34-85?
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 16 September 2014 13: 25
                +2
                I agree. You can and T-34-85.
                But I just like "King Tiger" smile
            2. yehat
              yehat 16 September 2014 14: 52
              0
              contrary to the full automation of the gun
          2. user1212
            user1212 16 September 2014 13: 05
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            like in abrams

            Not really. The armata tower is uninhabited
          3. Alekseev
            Alekseev 16 September 2014 18: 30
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Shells in the feed niche - as in Abrams

            In Abrams, shells are not only in a niche, and the niche itself is not a panacea, and it is not clear from the pictures what is in the niche ... laughing
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 16 September 2014 11: 47
      +3
      And I think that the 4th picture is a smaller profile (it is uninhabited, only weapons systems). The tower shifted back - covers the engine compartment, but the crew in front of the tower below, in their capsule.
      Although now we can only speculate.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 16 September 2014 12: 37
        +4
        Vryatli, placing the engine in front, is a dead end branch of the evolution of tanks. at the current stage of development of armored barriers, it is not possible to create ballistic armor capable of withstanding modern BS, BPS, KS and at the same time be light enough and not too thick, for the convenience of removing it to replace the motor.
        Do not bring Merkava as a sample smile
        Merkava is a very specific tank designed to drive camels through the desert Bedouins.
    4. killganoff
      killganoff 16 September 2014 12: 27
      +2
      Perhaps "Armata" will be the next version of the modernization of the T-72, this time with an uninhabited turret and a crew of 2 people.
      1. yehat
        yehat 16 September 2014 14: 54
        +3
        I think, no longer, because a big pause was taken on R&D and finances.
        Work was done on something really new.
      2. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 17 September 2014 00: 22
        +1
        Quote: killganoff
        Perhaps "Armata" will be the next version of the modernization of the T-72, this time with an uninhabited turret and a crew of 2 people.

        No. Armata is created on the basis of previous R&D - T95 and Black Eagle. And these are tanks of a completely different type than the T72, they are closer to western heavy tanks, but more modern.
        And the T72-T90 family will gradually be a thing of the past.
  6. Eggor
    Eggor 16 September 2014 09: 20
    +3
    Recently, a lot of things happened with tanks in the southeast of Ukraine, serious changes in the project and, accordingly, the time of its implementation are quite possible. Presumably.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 16 September 2014 10: 12
      10
      The same thing happened with our tanks in Chechnya, so all their shortcomings have long been well known, and the creators of the Armata probably took this experience into account. So the damaged old Ukrainian T-64s should not affect the Armata project in any way.
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 16 September 2014 11: 28
      +7
      Very suspected. If these crews are put in Leclerc, Abrams, Leopard Challenger, Renault FT, T-26 and any other tank, I’m afraid the result will be identical to the existing one.
      And minus someone slandered in vain, in the southeast of Ukraine there are none, but military operations, maybe somehow against this background, they thought of something.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 16 September 2014 16: 48
        +3
        Quote: samoletil18
        in the southeast of Ukraine, there are none at all, but the fighting, maybe somehow against this background, I thought of something.

        One wonders what, amid reports that the T-64 is riddled with cliff. Very good information for thought!
        laughing
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 16 September 2014 21: 46
          0
          I reacted condescendingly to this, having decided that the journalist had never had any relation to the army, and that something was misunderstood.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 17 September 2014 07: 50
            +1
            Quote: samoletil18
            the journalist had never had any relation to the army, and something didn’t understand.

            In Ukraine, and not such miracles can happen, over Point-U is generally lower than the baseboard lowered.
            Well, what do you take from them _ Dill.
  7. Good cat
    Good cat 16 September 2014 09: 28
    +2
    So let's see, wait a little longer.
  8. Unclean
    Unclean 16 September 2014 09: 28
    +1
    Well, at least they showed it with a rag, they say it’s there, but this is still a secret and can’t be shown. But he is there.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 September 2014 11: 14
      +5
      Quote: UNCLE
      but this is still a secret and cannot be shown

      Why? Secret appearance is ridiculous. No one asks to publish the composition of the alloys used and electronic equipment circuits.
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 16 September 2014 14: 12
        +4
        I do not exclude that at the parade the tank will pass over an area with a partially covered tower - sensors, sights, a gun mask, and other weakened zones.
        1. STALGRAD76
          STALGRAD76 16 September 2014 16: 48
          +5
          The main thing is that on the trailer, tightly closed tent, would not be transported laughing
  9. 1-ST Engineer
    1-ST Engineer 16 September 2014 09: 29
    +3
    The main thing is the crew and its safety - an armored capsule, leaving the tank in several exits. While the crew is alive, the tank will fire even with a machine gun, this is an axiom ...
  10. SAM 5
    SAM 5 16 September 2014 09: 32
    +2
    Is the ice breaking?
  11. MolGro
    MolGro 16 September 2014 09: 37
    +2
    Judging by the level of secrecy, the tank will see May 9, 2015 or on the New Year’s photo from the tests!
  12. Alexander
    Alexander 16 September 2014 09: 41
    +5
    News without news.
  13. raketnik
    raketnik 16 September 2014 09: 46
    14
    comrades forum users !!! believe in the power of my meager insiders from former colleagues who wipes and wipes his pants in the UVZ area-- THIS WILL BE SOMETHING
    1. ultra
      ultra 16 September 2014 11: 16
      +6
      Quote: raketnik
      believe in the power of my meager insiders

      Believe, but check! laughing
  14. tomket
    tomket 16 September 2014 09: 47
    +2
    as I understand it, the t-90 topic is completely closed to our troops. Interestingly, is there an option to bring t-72 to t-90 ms? Or will it be too expensive?
    1. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz 16 September 2014 10: 54
      +2
      Is it wise to hang new equipment on the old case? There is a lot to change. Even a tower (like the T-90MS shells in a niche behind the tower?).
      1. Kars
        Kars 16 September 2014 12: 14
        +6
        Slingshot is not a bad looking upgrade.

        Quote: ilya_oz
        like the T-90MS shells in the niche behind the tower?).

        In the niche, shells that did not fit into the carousel, and in an ordinary tank, were deployed in the fighting compartment.
        1. Signaller
          Signaller 16 September 2014 20: 30
          0
          Well, its a niche from the cliff-a good salute will be. Yes, and Ak will do just to aim. Dibily-one word.
      2. tomket
        tomket 16 September 2014 12: 43
        +3
        Nuuu, in Israel M60 all modify and modify. write off is not considered necessary.
    2. Tor hummer
      Tor hummer 17 September 2014 00: 43
      0
      Quote: tomket
      as I understand it, the t-90 topic is completely closed to our troops. Interestingly, is there an option to bring t-72 to t-90 ms? Or will it be too expensive?

      There is an upgrade option to T72B3 (essentially the same T90 MS).
      In addition, alteration in the BMPT 72-2 (Terminator -2) is still possible.
      So, the T-72 tanks will last for a long time. They have been in service for 20-30 for at least a long time.
      1. uwzek
        uwzek 17 September 2014 10: 51
        +1
        The T-72BZ and T-90MS were not nearby and it is possible to remake the T-72 into the T-90MS, but it’s cheaper to make a couple of new ones.
        Terminator-2 is much simpler, as if Kazakhstan decided to start producing such machines
  15. Dezinto
    Dezinto 16 September 2014 09: 50
    25
    It would be cool if we were such tanks laba .... fellow
    This is so delirious. With rebar nothing is clear yet. Waiting to see at the parade.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 16 September 2014 10: 16
      0
      Quote: DEZINTO
      It would be cool if we were such tanks laba ....

      Explain to me, ignoramus, how to place such a gun in such a tower? Or am I not understanding something?
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 16 September 2014 11: 03
        +5
        Quote: inkass_98
        Quote: DEZINTO
        It would be cool if we were such tanks laba ....

        Explain to me, ignoramus, how to place such a gun in such a tower? Or am I not understanding something?

        Easy, the thing is the size of the tower and the total mass of the tank. It is possible to make, to exploit then hardly. The tank will turn out at 80-100 tons and a height of 4 m.
        1. tomket
          tomket 16 September 2014 12: 49
          +2
          Quote: Max Otto
          You can do, exploit

          Well, even if done in the order of experiment, then the meaning of this design? Aimed shot after the second barrel does not work out due to recoil. And during that time, which will be spent on adjusting the sight and clarifying the state of the target (suddenly it has already collapsed or shifted), the avomat will have time to reload.
        2. Flatter
          Flatter 16 September 2014 15: 02
          +1
          The gun with the engine separately, the crew through the hitch separately. Optoelectronic control, a sharp reduction in size and ultra-protected crew.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 16 September 2014 11: 16
        15
        Quote: inkass_98
        Explain to me, ignoramus, how to place such a gun in such a tower?

        Easy! Using Photoshop!
      3. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 16 September 2014 13: 27
        0
        Explain to me, ignoramus, how to place such a gun in such a tower? Or am I not understanding something?
        Post is not a problem. But where then to place the ammunition necessary for such a system?
        And by the way, how to extinguish returns when issuing even a short line?
      4. badger1974
        badger1974 16 September 2014 15: 47
        +1
        inkass_98 ----- DEZINTO said "This is in the order of delirium." - now it is clear, be careful in reading, otherwise it will be like ATO stolen
    2. ybrcfy27
      ybrcfy27 16 September 2014 10: 20
      +3
      Not well, drumming is everything
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 16 September 2014 10: 25
        +1
        Quote: ybrcfy27
        Not well, drumming is everything

        Will the commander and gunner revolve around the drum? And in battle such a thing is unlikely to show itself on the positive side, the risk of damage is too great.
        1. Metlik
          Metlik 16 September 2014 16: 12
          +5
          Gatling tank. Ammunition is consumed in 0.6 seconds. The dispersion area of ​​shells is 2 hectares.
          1. Tyumen
            Tyumen 16 September 2014 19: 30
            +1
            Quote: Metlik
            Gatling tank. Ammunition is consumed in 0.6 seconds. The dispersion area of ​​shells is 2 hectares.

            Thank you, they made fun. Are they seriously discussing IT?
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 16 September 2014 20: 10
              +2
              Quote: Tyumen
              Why are they seriously discussing IT?

              And then _
              Quote: abrakadabre
              Post is not a problem. But where then to place the ammunition necessary for such a system?
              And by the way, how to extinguish returns when issuing even a short line?
            2. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 17 September 2014 10: 11
              0
              Thank you, they made fun. Are they seriously discussing IT?
              We thoroughly, with relish, laugh. Join now
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 17 September 2014 10: 08
            0
            The dispersion area of ​​shells is 2 hectares.
            What are 2 hectares? Imagine the return on 40 tank shots in 0.6 seconds. There will be dispersion of several square km.
            And the tank, even with its mass, will ride backwards on this jet thrust, no worse than a sports car.
    3. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 16 September 2014 16: 46
      0
      Quote: DEZINTO
      It would be cool if we were such tanks laba .... fellow
      This is so delirious. With rebar nothing is clear yet. Waiting to see at the parade.

      Is that gatling?
  16. sherik
    sherik 16 September 2014 09: 54
    +2
    If they talk more and more about him, then the process is going on. and what Sienko’s tie is not important, the result is important.
  17. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 16 September 2014 10: 08
    0
    If we are talking about a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, then the hull of the tank will be higher than that of the T-90, and the tower is even lower. With a complete difference in the internal layout, it may look like Merkava.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 16 September 2014 10: 22
      +7
      Quote: Jurkovs
      may look like Merkava.

      With all due respect to the "Merkava" - "this is not our method" (C). Our tank must be capable of marching over rough terrain, passing over road bridges (i.e., weighing no more than 50-55 tons) and fit on the railway. platform without replacing tracks and rollers. "Merkava" is a tank for desert and semi-desert, in our climatic and natural conditions it will not show its qualities to the proper extent.
      It’s good for them in Israel and in Europe - the runs are small, but if we have not traveled 400-500 km., Then not the distance.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 16 September 2014 11: 36
        +7
        Quote: inkass_98
        With all due respect to the "Merkava" - "this is not our method" (C).

        The prototype of the "Merkava" was ready by 1943 in the form of a project in Nizhny Tagil by Morozov and KB. And as migrants from the USSR went to Israel, so the "Merkava" appeared. It will be fair to write in reference books: the country of the developer is the USSR, Israel.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 16 September 2014 12: 17
          13
          Then you need to write on the T-34: the country of the developer is the USA, the USSR.
          Tank Christie, bought by the USSR. Joke smile .

          Let's not dig the source so deep.
          And then we get to the ancient Egyptian war chariots laughing .
          1. yehat
            yehat 16 September 2014 14: 57
            0
            no, chariots are not Soviet-made. let's leave them.
            but Merkava should be patented in the Russian Federation)))
          2. Cynic
            Cynic 16 September 2014 17: 05
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Tank Christie, bought by the USSR. Joke

            A wicked and stupid joke, so you can make jokes about Bats, and not about the T-34.
            Think _
            1. Punkt
              Punkt 16 September 2014 19: 02
              12 th
              but what to think? T34-suspension Christie-Dviglo-German high-speed aviation diesel engine))) - sold to us under license and redone by our designers))) bu ha ha ha-tunic, but the truth is
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 16 September 2014 19: 24
                +8
                He just said that trolls have not been seen for a long time ...
              2. user1212
                user1212 16 September 2014 19: 41
                +3
                Quote: Punkt
                german high speed diesel engine

                Is this M-17 chtol "Avadizel"? Diesel fuel is not used in carburetor engines
                This dviglo was set only in 41-42 years due to lack of native B2 and was not a full-time one. Before you write nonsense, read the topic.
                Quote: Punkt
                but what to think?

                You don’t need anything, but rather nothing
          3. samoletil18
            samoletil18 16 September 2014 21: 41
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Then on the T-34 you need to write: the country of the developer - USA, USSR

            I agree only on BT-2, -5, -7. And because of the Christi wheel-track, the T-34 only had a drawback due to the dimensions of the spring suspension instead of the torsion bars.
        2. Oleg111
          Oleg111 16 September 2014 22: 47
          0
          http://topwar.ru/1768-proekt-sovetskogo-tyazhelogo-tanka-a-44.htm При проведении доработки танка Т-34 весной 1941 года на харьковском заводе №183 параллельно с этими работами конструктор Морозов А.А. занимался отработкой проектной документации танка А-44 с разными вариантами артиллерийской части и броневой защиты.
          In additions to the order of the People's Commissar of average engineering from 10.05.41. No. 192 set out the construction and technical requirements for tank A-44, according to which it should have weight in combat equipment up to 29,5 tons, armor protection: frontal armor 75 mm at an angle 60 degrees, side part -60 mm, stern part 55 mm angle 35-45 degrees and other parameters.
  18. abc_alex
    abc_alex 16 September 2014 10: 15
    +3
    Still, I wonder if the platform will be conquered. A tank is by itself. Will they be able to imagine BMP, self-propelled guns and BMPT?
    1. yehat
      yehat 16 September 2014 11: 21
      +3
      I think yes. There is accumulated experience in diversifying platforms based on t-72 and others.
    2. uwzek
      uwzek 17 September 2014 11: 04
      +1
      You were told in the article: there are three vehicles of the "Armata" project - a tank, a heavy infantry fighting vehicle and an armored vehicle. Available in hardware, not in blueprints. To create an SPG based on the same BMP is not a problem at all, change the combat module - you will have an BMPT. Everything will fit into the "armature"!
  19. Realist1989
    Realist1989 16 September 2014 10: 21
    16
    Well, there is no doubt that in 2015 the parade kit will be shown, in general, there is no ... the main thing is that it does not work out as with the T-90 and BMP-3 - they roll out to the parade for 10 years, 10 years are called the "newest", and there are very few of them in the troops ... let's hope that their annual deliveries will exceed the annual deliveries of equipment of the previous generation, otherwise 70% will not be updated by 2020 ...
    1. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz 16 September 2014 10: 52
      +2
      The T-90 is more than 5 hundred in the troops, which is not bad compared to the new modifications of foreign tanks. BMP-3 more than 7 hundred.
      1. Realist1989
        Realist1989 16 September 2014 11: 23
        12
        Considering that we are talking about the defense capability of a country like Russia, it is incorrect to compare the amount of equipment with "modifications of foreign tanks" with which states the size of the Moscow Region are armed. Several hundred may be enough, but only for one military district (and even then not for such a large one as the current Western Military District, Central Military District, and Far Eastern Military District). It is necessary to compare it with the number necessary for the defense of the entire territory of the country in question, and not with the amount that someone buys for himself somewhere.
        1. urzul
          urzul 16 September 2014 12: 27
          +3
          The M1A2 SEP from 99 of the year in service with the US Army is slightly more than 600 units.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 16 September 2014 13: 25
          -4
          Quote: Realist1989
          Realist1989

          Do you have a British Commonwealth the size of Moscow Oblast? Or the USA? Take an interest in how many new US tanks have been released over the past (for example) ten years, or France.
      2. shtraib
        shtraib 16 September 2014 11: 25
        +3
        Our military does not like the BMP-3. Order in order to support the manufacturer and for the lack of choice.
        1. yehat
          yehat 16 September 2014 15: 01
          +3
          like, don’t like, but there is nothing better than BMP-3.
          my brother served on it, says this car is far from a dummy.
    2. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 16 September 2014 19: 32
      +2
      Quote: Realist1989
      Well, there is no doubt that in 2015 the parade kit will be shown, in general, there is no ... the main thing is that it does not work out as with the T-90 and BMP-3 - they roll out to the parade for 10 years, 10 years are called the "newest", and there are very few of them in the troops ... let's hope that their annual deliveries will exceed the annual deliveries of equipment of the previous generation, otherwise 70% will not be updated by 2020 ...

      Well, in general, they refused to accept the t-90 in a series in favor of future armata. In my opinion it is reasonable.
  20. Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 16 September 2014 10: 22
    +6
    Just half an hour ago, I watched the dock. film about UVZ. So, Rogozin said that the work is on schedule, that he himself was sitting in a new tank, and that the car will be unique, there is nothing like it in the world.
    1. prishelec
      prishelec 16 September 2014 18: 40
      +2
      / Lyokha79 /

      It pleases, we look forward to-MAY 9!
  21. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    11
    In the meantime, we will receive T-72B3 without TIUS, without BIUS, without GLONASS, with an 840 hp engine, 5 Contact instead of Relic, without a remotely controlled anti-aircraft machine-gun unit, as much as 150 units. Hmm ...
    1. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz 16 September 2014 10: 52
      +1
      150 pieces a year is not enough?
    2. yehat
      yehat 16 September 2014 11: 25
      +6
      don't set maxims in armaments - it’s very expensive.
      Why do we need 100% of the latest technology in the army?
      there are purely garrison, security, rear, training and other parts
      as opposed to elite units.
      In the same Great Patriotic War when there were KV-1, T34, thousands of T60, T70 were made, noticeably inferior to them.
      And when there were IS-1, IS-2, KV-85, t-44, they continued to stamp the t34-85.
      And it was not by chance or sloppiness.
    3. doxtop
      doxtop 17 September 2014 11: 04
      +1
      Hello again! ))) In order to have normal tanks in the "second line", the modernized T-72BZ will also come down. Everything is better than the T-72B. hi
  22. lotar
    lotar 16 September 2014 10: 34
    +4
    All "well-wishers" are ready to salivate, just to assert the whole world that our country and its technology in particular are in a deep hole. Some comments confirm this. In my opinion, technology, especially promising, should be further secret (especially their Performance characteristics and technological maps) so that potential aggressors were greatly surprised by their capabilities with a possible global Scribe.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 September 2014 11: 22
      +3
      Quote: lotar
      so that potential aggressors were greatly surprised at their capabilities with a possible global Scribe.

      If there is a global "scribe", there will probably be no one to surprise or be surprised!
  23. Bowless
    Bowless 16 September 2014 10: 48
    +5
    The main thing is that Armata would not become an E-mobile.
    1. yehat
      yehat 16 September 2014 15: 03
      0
      Well this is not Yormata :)
  24. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 16 September 2014 10: 55
    +1
    I've heard that Kurganets-25 has a month delay in testing ((
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 16 September 2014 11: 40
      +3
      Quote: ilya_oz
      I've heard that Kurganets-25 has a month delay in testing ((

      So, they really experience something, therefore there will be a good car.
  25. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 16 September 2014 11: 06
    +6
    Quote: ilya_oz
    I've heard that Kurganets-25 has a month delay in testing ((


    Well, if there is a delay, then there is a chance that something traveling will be born laughing
  26. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 16 September 2014 11: 16
    18 th
    It is necessary to press the gas pedal with Armata.
    And then the T-72B3 in Ukraine ... did not shine. Losses, like the modernized
    Ukrainian T-64. And the T-90 - only in India for some reason.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 16 September 2014 11: 45
      +8
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It is necessary to press the gas pedal with Armata.
      And then the T-72B3 in Ukraine ... did not shine. Losses, like the modernized
      Ukrainian T-64. And the T-90 - only in India for some reason.

      Yes, what are you? But it seems to me that the Kolomoisky's Merkavas are suffering comparable losses with the T-64, only 1 less. And do not demand facts from me - you yourself did not think to present them.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 September 2014 13: 09
        +2
        Confirmation of my point in
        detailed article:
        T-72 B3: "Blind" commander and holes in the defense
    2. Fin
      Fin 16 September 2014 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It is necessary to press the gas pedal with Armata.
      And then T-72B3 in Ukraine ... did not shine. Losses, like the modernized Ukrainian T-64.

      And what is the data on losses and the analysis of how (by what) were destroyed?
      1. shtraib
        shtraib 16 September 2014 11: 58
        +1
        at least one destroyed
        1. Fin
          Fin 16 September 2014 12: 26
          +1
          Quote: shtraib
          at least one destroyed

          This photo I saw. But he wrote: Losses, like the modernized Ukrainian T-64.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 16 September 2014 12: 43
            0
            В proportions to the number of tanks participating in battles and to the period fights
            approximately the same losses. T-72B3 tanks began to fight in mid-August,
            several are lost. and T-64 - from the beginning of hostilities. Like the T-64, the T-72B3 does not
            sufficiently covered from the sides by RPG grenades. And they detonate equally
            with the ignition of charges after breaking through.
            1. PeaceByForce
              PeaceByForce 16 September 2014 13: 01
              +4
              The Ukropam was delivered by the modernized T72, with DZ Kontakt5 and a new sight, they were mistaken for T72b3. And the losses from the fact that behind the levers of the U.K. Petiteka, they have any tank ends with a torn off tower.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUHUMI3RkdU#t=49
            2. tomket
              tomket 16 September 2014 13: 13
              +2
              on the intensity of the fighting is done?
            3. Znayka
              Znayka 16 September 2014 13: 45
              +5
              And how do you, dear, in appearance distinguish the T-72M from the countries of the former Warsaw Pact with DZ "Contact" -5, delivered to Ukraine by the same countries from the T-72B3, which is in service with the Russian Federation ??? If you are sure that on Ukraine is exactly the Russian T-72B3-prove, if there is no evidence, do not litter the site with your fabrications on this topic. hi
              1. tomket
                tomket 16 September 2014 13: 59
                0
                Quote: Znayka
                in appearance, distinguish the T-72M from the countries of the former Warsaw Pact with the DZ "Contact" -5, delivered to Ukraine by the same countries from the T-72B3,

                That's just what I would like to know how to distinguish the T-72 of the former countries of the Warsaw Treaty from the T-72 DZ in appearance. Are both "Kontakt-5" and "Sosna U" put on both?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 16 September 2014 16: 03
                  10 th
                  Russian T72B3 differs externally from other modifications of the T-72,
                  made in different countries. Typical DZ "angles" on the tower.
                  In the battles for Ilovaisk 3 tanks of the Russian army were lost, counterattacking
                  advancing Ukrainian troops and routing them.
                  1. Znayka
                    Znayka 16 September 2014 20: 39
                    +5
                    voyaka uh IL Today, 16:03
                    Russian T72B3 differs externally from other modifications of the T-72,
                    made in different countries. Typical DZ "angles" on the tower.
                    Dear, you, in general, have an idea how DZ elements are mounted on the tower? If not, do not write about different angles))) Well, from the photo of scrap metal on the Internet, it can equally well be said that this is T-72 of ANY MODIFICATION. hi
          2. shtraib
            shtraib 16 September 2014 13: 00
            0
            Sorry, there are already three documented cases.
            1. Znayka
              Znayka 16 September 2014 21: 01
              +3
              Please be so kind as to post a photo and your explanation of why you think this is the T-72B3 of the RF Armed Forces.
        2. tomket
          tomket 16 September 2014 12: 54
          +1
          Quote: shtraib
          at least one destroyed

          Nuuuu, Merkava 4, too, at least destroyed, and not in a piece. Well, Israel hesitates with Merkava 5 ???)))) There will be a day, there will be food. That is, how the analysis is presented, who, what and when, then the time will come to think. And so. Maybe this BZ from a dozen "Sukhari", half a dozen "Crocodiles" and hundreds of T-64 fought back.
    3. tomket
      tomket 16 September 2014 12: 51
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And then T-72B3 in Ukraine ... did not shine. Losses, like the modernized Ukrainian T-64.

      And where you can out of the corner of your eye, look at the losses of the T-72 BZ, and compare them with the losses of the upgraded t-64?
      1. shtraib
        shtraib 16 September 2014 12: 58
        +2
        lostarmour.info
        1. tomket
          tomket 16 September 2014 13: 09
          +1
          In both cases, the detonation of ammunition.
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    5. Maksim...
      Maksim... 16 September 2014 15: 01
      +3
      And then the T-72B3 in Ukraine ... did not shine.

      Well, so far we know about one reliably destroyed. With one more, there is some strange story: at first, the Ukrainians announced that they had captured one T-72B3, and just yesterday the militia provided a video where it was presented as a "foreign modernization of the T-72", and, which is typical, with two white stripes.
      And the T-90 - only in India for some reason

      There is quite a strong opinion that the same T-72B3 is no worse, and the modernization process is cheaper than creating a new tank.
    6. Dmitriy1975
      Dmitriy1975 16 September 2014 19: 02
      +3
      At least one example of the destroyed T-72B3, photo and video in the studio
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 16 September 2014 19: 32
        +1
        Quote: Dmitriy1975
        At least one example of the destroyed T-72B3, photo and video in the studio

        Have a desire to get a prize?
        UAH 31300 was accumulated as a reward for the video fact of the undeniable Russian invasion
        I pay 500 hryvnias for an undeniable video fact proving the invasion of regular units of the Russian army in the territory of Donbass from December 1, 2013 to September 15, 2014 inclusive.
        (dates are extended daily until it makes sense,
        did it on purpose so that Shoigu wouldn’t be too anxious to win
        and didn’t bring troops for the prize)
        http://vse-smotri.ru/video/tubus-show-nedetskie-multfilmy/rossija-atakuet-ukrain
        us-vozduha-video-dokazatelstvo.html

        From here _
        https://www.facebook.com/senseishin/posts/1032642230085037?fref=nf
    7. Tor hummer
      Tor hummer 17 September 2014 00: 51
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And then T-72B3 in Ukraine ... did not shine

      He was not there.
  27. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 16 September 2014 11: 17
    +5
    Somehow, VVP just recently mentioned a qualitatively new weapon capable of bringing a new level of the Russian Armed Forces. But nobody knows what kind of weapon it is. The PAK FA will not enter service soon. "Ash" and "Boreyev" are too few to make a turning point in the fight. The Strategic Missile Forces do not represent anything new, global; the introduction of Yars is only a regular development of weapons. The "Armata" project has been on the floor for more than one year, but it can have some significant impact on a change in the balance of forces only with a sufficient number, which will again require more than one year. The air defense troops are slowly improving, but, again, this is a defensive weapon ...
    What am I getting at ... This, of course, is my personal opinion, but for some reason it seems to me that radio electronics are the dark horse here. And the dark story with "Donald Cook" makes these speculations more and more real. Some kind of qualitative breakthrough in radioelectronics can specifically change the balance of power. It's just that ours do not advertise their achievements in order to achieve victory in the event of a (global) conflict. For example, it can be some kind of compact jammers that disable any enemy electronics. Or the creation of tools that see the battlefield in all radiation and give us an advantage. I do not know. There are a lot of options. But it seems to me that the silence on this "front" of the struggle looks suspicious. Moreover, Russia is not just being drawn into a specific confrontation with Western village idiots. So there is something behind ... Something weighty ...
    And such a "surprise" may be achievements in the field of electronic warfare.
    This, of course, is only my opinion ... hi
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 16 September 2014 11: 38
      +2
      And such a "surprise" may be achievements in the field of electronic warfare.

      In the field of electronic warfare and radar, in my opinion, there was always "silence". One of the most secret areas in the military.
    2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      And such a "surprise" may be achievements in the field of electronic warfare


      I agree, one of these achievements - CREB Krasuha-4. This complex suppresses radar signals and radio channels of UAV control, can make enemy planes and missiles blind and out of control.
    3. tomket
      tomket 16 September 2014 12: 57
      +4
      Quote: Rurikovich
      And such a "surprise" may be achievements in the field of electronic warfare.

      Well, I don’t even know, given the "traditional" lagging behind the defense industry in the electronic ... It's easier to take on faith, about the T-50 shelves, secretly deployed from the public.
      1. brainkiller
        brainkiller 16 September 2014 14: 23
        -2
        Quote: tomket
        Quote: Rurikovich
        And such a "surprise" may be achievements in the field of electronic warfare.

        Well, I don’t even know, given the "traditional" lagging behind the defense industry in the electronic ... It's easier to take on faith, about the T-50 shelves, secretly deployed from the public.

        all the necessary element base can be bought in Taiwan, but it is easier for electronic warfarers, in radio-electronic suppression you only need to radiate and do not need to receive anything, and everything that is subtle in equipment is usually on the receiving side.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 16 September 2014 15: 54
          +5
          all the necessary element base can be bought in Taiwan,

          For a smartphone - maybe. For the electronic warfare system or radar - hardly.
          1. alexng
            alexng 17 September 2014 00: 49
            +3
            We have a lag in consumer electronics, and in key moments in the defense industry there is no lag. It's just that our technologies are a little more expensive and therefore our household service cannot stand the competition in prices with those who have all these show-offs put on stream. And is it necessary to reinvent the wheel, if their East slaps in unmeasured quantities all that is necessary for the average man.
          2. brainkiller
            brainkiller 17 September 2014 10: 04
            +1
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            For a smartphone - maybe. For the electronic warfare system or radar - hardly.
            well, if you’re so sure, name what exactly the RF may lack for the creation of electronic suppression means. Speak along the path from the AFU =)))

            If you have a little knowledge and the necessary knowledge, you will come to the conclusion that there may be a lack of insignificant chips that are not yet made in the Russian Federation, but they can be bought anywhere not by piece, but by weight like nails and at about the same price.
            1. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 17 September 2014 11: 36
              +1
              well, if you’re so sure, name what exactly the RF may lack for the creation of electronic suppression means. Speak along the path from the AFU =)))

              If you have a little knowledge and the necessary knowledge, you will come to the conclusion that there may be a lack of insignificant chips that are not yet made in the Russian Federation, but they can be bought anywhere not by piece, but by weight like nails and at about the same price.


              You started talking about Taiwan. Let’s talk about Taiwan then:
              First, do you imagine how electronic components for consumer electronics differ from those for military (and especially for aviation systems)?
              Secondly, in systems like electronic warfare or radar, the critical requirements are not "chips", but microwave components (for example, gallium-nitride amplifiers).
              As far as I know, nothing decent is being produced in Taiwan in this area. What is produced by the Russian Federation is also unknown to me, since on the world market microwave components of Russian production are practically not found. Perhaps in the Russian Federation something is produced in small batches for domestic consumption, but small-batch production means higher cost and lower reliability.
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 16 September 2014 20: 02
        +4
        considering the "traditional" lagging behind the defense industry in electronic

        Electronics is also different. In particular, the electronics of the same Krasukha is an order of magnitude different from the electronics of an iPhone. In general, electronics is a very specific product, of narrow application, so to speak. A microcontroller designed for a specific operation, say, encrypting a data stream with an 128 bit cipher, at its 700-800 MHz frequency, will easily bypass the universal iCore 5 in performance.
        Therefore, let me clarify - we have a backlog in consumer electronics.
        1. brainkiller
          brainkiller 17 September 2014 10: 07
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          say encryption of a data stream with an 128 bit cipher, at its 700-800 MHz frequency, it will easily bypass the universal iCore 5 in performance.

          if by performance we mean encryption speed, yes, this is possible =)))
    4. Bolshevik
      Bolshevik 16 September 2014 13: 12
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Somehow, GDP recently mentioned a qualitatively new weapon capable of bringing out a new level of the Russian Armed Forces.

      This weapon is in your hands - propaganda and its derivatives like the Virtual Fleet - no one has that.
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 17 September 2014 02: 05
      +3
      Most likely, the GDP was talking about several types of weapons in the compartment ... I think the PZhRK will be returned to service (of course, improved, and these complexes are like a hammer and sickle according to the gene pool of the American nation), then ekranoplanes reanimate, aircraft that can fly in the ionosphere and above ( I'm talking about the Tu-160 receiver, God forbid), well, the S-500 won't add fun to friends from Washington either ... maybe something else like a modified and more compact rail gun on the same "armature" and other carriers. ..Well, something like this..
  28. samoletil18
    samoletil18 16 September 2014 11: 20
    +3
    It was decided to abandon the mastered gun 2A46M in favor of the newer 2A82. However, due to the lack of official information, this assumption may not be true.
    The Chinese at the tank biathlon forced to doubt?
    1. padonok.71
      padonok.71 16 September 2014 12: 09
      +1
      The point is not in the gun, in the MSA / BV / PN - the matter.
  29. dzau
    dzau 16 September 2014 11: 36
    +1
    Quote: Unrestrained
    The main thing is that Armata would not become an E-mobile.

    Will not. Even the most recent **** people in our government have already figured out what to save on and what not.

    It's just that in relation to "ulyala super duper" it is better to be more skeptical. Surely what will be released will be crude and crooked: the consequences of the general state of the industry.

    Again, they will finish it with a quiet glanders.

    Well, in general, the equalization of ck. just not for wunderwales, but for cheapness, maintainability and reliability. Which is logical: initially it was about a platform, not "wow-what-tank-rasrasras". The industry is giving birth to a full-time workhorse for the domestic Armed Forces.
    1. brainkiller
      brainkiller 17 September 2014 10: 12
      0
      Quote: dzau
      It's just that in relation to "ulyala super duper" it is better to be more skeptical. Surely what will be released will be crude and crooked: the consequences of the general state of the industry.

      Again, they will finish it with a quiet glanders.
      in general, this is completely normal. The technique is always being finalized according to the requirements of the military. Such a system for testing new weapons has been established since Soviet times and is fully justified. I doubt that Americans are also easily bending over their producers and they react to their every "sneeze"
  30. bmv04636
    bmv04636 16 September 2014 12: 23
    +2
    Here is the tower of the new wheeled self-propelled guns of the Coalition-SV already flickered, and no one has posted the photo of Almaty so far. Although the teaser of real Almaty showed that
  31. zone72
    zone72 16 September 2014 12: 38
    +2
    here were the developments
    1. Monetniy
      Monetniy 16 September 2014 13: 18
      +2
      The army’s armored vehicles fleet did not replenish
      1. typhoon7
        typhoon7 16 September 2014 13: 48
        +1
        Like the T-90SM, unfortunately.
  32. argon
    argon 16 September 2014 13: 14
    +2
    Quote: IIIIvanov
    Good afternoon, dear!
    I don’t know how it relates to the promises of this director of the plant, usually they (the directors) are better than anyone else, they know the real situation and the possibilities of the factories they manage.
    But as for the tie, you are completely unaware of this subject.
    Apparently you do not have the opportunity to buy and wear expensive ties.
    A tie from "Keaton", for example, in Moscow costs no more than $ 150, according to our 3500-4300 rubles, the named company is one of the best.
    I don’t know how in tanks, but you definitely don’t understand the management of large enterprises and ties!
    Sincerely.

    No, well, if you look for a tie in Moscow, you can find it within 10-15 tyr., If from haute couture, then higher.
  33. Foxhound
    Foxhound 16 September 2014 15: 15
    +3
    What really passes the test is unknown because there is no car in the iron yet. There are separate nodes and all.
    To date, there are problems with the engine: out of 9 engines, ChTZ delivered only three.
    Armored personnel from Volgograd came only in June. They were flashed at the training ground the first time — the cant in production, they are now disassembled and eliminated.
    There are problems with the manufacture of cast parts for the chassis.
    In short, the usual routine in the production of a new machine.
    In 2016, launching into a series is unrealistic since We will not have time to pass state tests. More realistic - 2017-2018. This is normal.
    1. uwzek
      uwzek 16 September 2014 19: 58
      +1
      Why scare the people? Machines of the "Armata" family have existed in iron for almost a year (they were taken to Moscow at the end of last autumn, they traveled there happily, etc., they were extremely impressed by the country's leadership). Therefore, there is something to pass the tests for a long time.
      What is the problem with the engines? Are they flying?
      I’m silent about armor plates. Firstly, from the armor that came in June, the tanks will be collected in almost a year. Secondly, explain where and why you need to shoot a sheet of homogeneous armor when all the armor of the tank is complex?
      There is tension with details (the nomenclature has increased several times), but it is non-fatal ...
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 16 September 2014 20: 04
        +1
        What about the SLA? Other automation?
      2. Foxhound
        Foxhound 17 September 2014 07: 52
        +1
        Quote: uwzek
        Why scare the people? Machines of the "Armata" family have existed in iron for almost a year (they were taken to Moscow at the end of last autumn, they traveled there happily, etc., they were extremely impressed by the country's leadership). Therefore, there is something to pass the tests for a long time.
        What is the problem with the engines? Are they flying?
        I’m silent about armor plates. Firstly, from the armor that came in June, the tanks will be collected in almost a year. Secondly, explain where and why you need to shoot a sheet of homogeneous armor when all the armor of the tank is complex?
        There is tension with details (the nomenclature has increased several times), but it is non-fatal ...

        Did you personally attend when the tank drove happily in Moscow? I think not. nothing went there and could not ride. There is a full-size breadboard model in which Rogozin and many other big bosses also sat. No more.
        Now the first samples are being assembled.
        About armor: you should not confuse soft with warm, if you do not know the question. Integrated armor protection incl. includes armor plates. On them state. acceptance is not only at the manufacturer, but they are checked before installation. Some samples are shot at NITIM (at the Prospector).
        Engines: planes are flying, but only three engines were made, one was installed. ChTZ has problems with this. Quite effective comrades with the letter "M"!
        By molding: in what place and by how much did the nomenclature increase? Yes, there are a few new details and that’s it. This is not the point, but the fact that the foundries are dead. In Armata laid very serious tech. solutions for which our industry can no longer produce certain things. On the chassis, some parts are ordered in Germany.
        By state tests: a car with all standard systems should ideally cover 10 km. in different climatic conditions and in different terrain. And before that there are factory tests, which have not yet been.
        Therefore, the deadline is unrealistic.
        1. uwzek
          uwzek 17 September 2014 12: 24
          +1
          If the tank hadn’t left happily in Moscow, you wouldn’t have collected the first samples now - nobody would have given an order for them.
          Just keep quiet about armor. Personally, I work with her, and I know firsthand what and from what she is being shot, why I asked you.
          With the new engines from ChTZ - the problem is eternal. It's not about the managers, but the fact that carrying a single copy of the engine through the exhibitions or releasing a batch is very different things. The delays are constant. As with engines for biathlon tanks, as, in due time, and with the B-92 for the Indian order. But there is no fatal delay (they themselves indicated that they put one, two more are available. When your tanks go, then you will talk about problems with the engines (near the end of the year).
          I lied about the casting: the nomenclature of parts increased not three, but thirty-three times. - look at the drawings and count, see how much the area of ​​the shelves in the pantries has increased. in the end, cast parts are used not only in hodovka ... I also tried for a long time to remember the range of cast parts for the "armata" chassis and their fundamental difference from the assortment mastered and did not find much difference. But, killed by you, the foundry has to cast thousands of new parts (and these are new forms, etc.), not only is not enough space, but sometimes stupidly metal. But the process is rolling.
          The "armature", indeed, contains serious technical solutions, perhaps some of them are not being solved in the country (after all, we still have thermal imagers on a French basis).
          Just do not forget that "armata" are not only you who do it. At the moment, you are participating in the manufacture of the so-called experimental-industrial batch of machines, and the first machines were assembled by the UKBTM (well, we too: hulls and turrets are not made in the design bureau).
          You have just ordinary psychos (in terms of the truncated is gone, chief!), Because you are doing the first "armature" (I understand you very much - I went through it myself). The next ones will go faster ...
  34. I think so
    I think so 16 September 2014 15: 16
    +2
    Modern Russian "effective managers" apparently penetrated UVZ too ... Drgim it is impossible to explain such secrecy of this development ... But in fact, most likely another demo hardware will be made with a bunch of problems and it is practically NOT VIABLE that it is impossible to fight, but simply drive it will be difficult ... Something worthwhile from a CARDINALLY new layout should not be expected ... Syromyatin will be brought to the service station for more years as well as the night said "Bulava" ... After the real demonstration of the car, designers will face REAL PROBLEMS and real and reasonable criticism of their emissions, but then it will be too late and the "constructor" will say - yes, of course, this layout has a number of problems, but MONEY for work has ALREADY BEEN SPENT and WE WILL NOT BE altered! And everything will result in a massive release of the next "wunderwafe" in reality INCOMPLETE! But since NOBODY in Russia intends to fight - and this will do ...
    1. uwzek
      uwzek 16 September 2014 20: 22
      +2
      Aha! Now, just, the war stinks intensely. "Armata" really is a "wunderwaffe". The main disadvantage of the car is its cost. And it drives great and it is extremely possible to fight on it. In terms of the degree of protection of the crew, there are simply no such tanks in the world, in terms of firepower - at the level of the best models, with the possibility of a very cheap increase.
  35. ydjin
    ydjin 16 September 2014 15: 53
    +1
    M-dya, then everything is gone, then a miracle will happen. The main thing is to be persistent and firmly go to the goal! By the way, exercises are starting on Sakhalin. Like 3 reservists are calling for short-term fees. What a pity the agenda did not come to me, apparently the age of 000 is no longer interesting for the army. And I would like to!
    1. Bolshevik
      Bolshevik 16 September 2014 16: 21
      0
      Quote: ydjin
      And I would like to!

      http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/news/salon/6800-desantniki-perebrasy
      vayutsya-na-poligony-samoletami-an-124-ruslan.html
      DShB - Ruslan - Africa - this was not - appeal of reservists
      224 detachments specially made civil registration of aircraft for flights abroad - they are not carried within the okrug in Ruslany.
  36. Asgard of Iry
    Asgard of Iry 16 September 2014 16: 26
    0
    This character falls, at once, under two quotes from the "Folk wisdom" series:
    1. "Our shot is ripe everywhere!"
    2. "... they are hitting something, not on the passport - they are hitting on the grove!"
    http://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1%E8%E5%ED%EA%EE,_%CE%EB%E5%E3_%C2%E8%EA%F2%EE%

    F0% EE% E2% E8% F7
    Isn’t it, truly, an outstandingly creative path ...
    1. Asgard of Iry
      Asgard of Iry 16 September 2014 16: 58
      +6
      Site Admins! Explain why, during my stay in the Russian Crimea, a Ukrainian flag is hung next to my avatar ?!
      1. tomket
        tomket 16 September 2014 17: 27
        +4
        Quote: Asgard of Iry
        Site Admins! Explain why, during my stay in the Russian Crimea, a Ukrainian flag is hung next to my avatar ?!

        It is scary to think, admins did not recognize the reunification of Crimea and Russia)))
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 16 September 2014 17: 49
          0
          Quote: tomket
          It is scary to think, admins did not recognize the reunification of Crimea and Russia

          Yes, they are in the park, there are few of them, moderators, and we, members of the forum, are many!
          Imagine, each, every time, put the necessary flag!
          lol
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 16 September 2014 17: 39
        0
        Quote: Asgard of Irian
        Explain why

        Which provider and whose, here it is, the provider, and take an interest.
        bully
  37. q_556
    q_556 16 September 2014 16: 52
    +1
    Now the parade on Red Square will be like Apple's presentation)
    It is good that the Uralvagonzavod did not forget about the promises made by Rogozin. Although I remember, at one time they promised to start mass production of PAK FA in 2015, and to build 10 Ash-trees by 2020, although this, unfortunately, will not happen. Well, at least we make tanks on time.
  38. Diviz
    Diviz 16 September 2014 17: 02
    +3
    Armata is already becoming a subject for the West to accuse Russia of aggression. And what can a tank do by comparison with an airplane or ship with a rocket. Our elite rings that the best tank, maybe specifically so that we forget about skolkovo or Serdyukov. From their words, this in my understanding should have sophisticated intellect, be able to dig in, be able to fight against airplanes, be able to withstand a volley of a hurricane missile system. And if this is not so, then I do not see the point of doing it.
  39. silver_roman
    silver_roman 16 September 2014 17: 21
    +1
    and what is the meaning of the article? nothing new is said in it, it was simply experienced what has already been chewed 100 times!
  40. Evkur
    Evkur 16 September 2014 18: 19
    0
    I’m sure there will be a complex of active protection as on Merkava4 - they licked it with us, all the drawings and developments remained.
  41. lonovila
    lonovila 16 September 2014 18: 56
    +2
    -And why is the Omsk tank "T-80" not mentioned anywhere ... -It seems to have been called the "Black Eagle" or something like that ... -Previously (two or three years ago) in Omsk they were regularly held in Omsk a competition between the Nizhny Tagil T-90 tank and the Omsk T-80 tank ...
    -And these "competitions" have always been attended by foreign experts (and from NATO countries as well) and conducted their "observations" with great interest ... -The current "tank biathlon", which was regularly shown on TV, for Omsk it is far from being a "curiosity" ... but "yesterday" ... -All this in Omsk began to take place much earlier ...
    -And the Omsk tank won, was much better ... and overcame all obstacles faster and shot at targets better and hit much better ... -And the Omsk tank had a lot of new secret developments ... -Even he had a tower ( "Black Eagle") was covered with a tarpaulin., Because. was "classified" ...
    -And now, suddenly and "unexpectedly" for some reason, all "priorities" were unconditionally assigned to the Nizhny Tagil tank (the worst and outdated tank) .., but about the newest Omsk tank ... they just "forgot" ...
    - Maybe just the Sverdlovsk region with its then governor - E.E. Rossel was (and is now) in greater "favor" with Moscow than the Omsk region ..? -And it was this "favorite" that played the main role in the "promotion" of the Nizhny Tagil tank, and not the Omsk one ..?
    - But when the interests of the Russian State are at stake, what role can such "petty intrigues" and various "selfish interests" play ...? -Because our fatherland may suffer ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 16 September 2014 19: 50
      +5
      the cannon on the "black eagle" was the same as on the "Vladimir" ... there were several differences ... firstly, the "black eagle" is not a t-80, the chassis was different there ... secondly, it could not swim, thirdly, no one says that it is worse than the T-90 (more likely in something better, but in something much better), but ... the "black eagle" is essentially a tank from scratch ... but therefore, in terms of money, it is more expensive in production and exploitation than "Vladimir" ... that is why they decided everything in favor of the T-90 ... it is cheaper ...
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 16 September 2014 20: 20
        -1
        Quote: NEXUS
        The cannon on the "Black Eagle" was the same as on the "Vladimir".

        And did she need a seven-roller base and a wider body?
        Quote: NEXUS
        "black eagle" is essentially a tank from scratch ... and therefore, in terms of money, it is more expensive to manufacture

        Oh really ?!
        Quote: NEXUS
        decided everything in favor of the t-90

        Well, well, no politics.
        Yes _
        T-90 Vladimir is the Russian main battle tank.
        It was created in the late 1980s and early 1990s as a modernization of the T-72B tank under the name "Advanced T-72B", but in 1992 it was adopted by the T-90 index. After the death of Vladimir Ivanovich Potkin, the chief designer of the tank, by the decision of the Government of the Russian Federation the T-90 was given the name "Vladimir"

        laughing
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 16 September 2014 20: 52
          +4
          that's exactly it ... I see no contradictions, dear ...
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 16 September 2014 19: 58
      -1
      Quote: lonovila
      -And why is the Omsk tank "T-80" not mentioned anywhere ... -It seems to have been called the "Black Eagle" or something like that ... -Previously (two or three years ago) in Omsk they were regularly held in Omsk a competition between the Nizhny Tagil T-90 tank and the Omsk T-80 tank ...
      -And these "competitions" have always been attended by foreign specialists (including from NATO countries)

      An original interpretation of the annual VTTV exhibition in Omsk.
      T-80U is not a Black Eagle. The eagle would be the heir to the eighties _ seven-base, a new tower and a cannon, but ...
      Even his tower (the "Black Eagle") was covered with a tarpaulin. was "classified" ...

      This is on the first exit of the Eagle, the tower, as such, then he didn’t have it at all, so they covered the dummy with a tarp.
      Above the view of the tower laid out.
      Quote: lonovila
      about the newest Omsk tank ... they just "forgot" ...

      Newest?
      Yeah, in the 76th adopted for service! At the time of the collapse of the USSR, about 5 of them were produced (according to Vicki laughing ).
      Quote: lonovila
      Maybe just Sverdlovsk region

      Remind you where the EBN comes from?
    3. uwzek
      uwzek 16 September 2014 21: 26
      +2
      First, even today they remembered about the "black eagle". Secondly, you have problems with chronology: Omsk KBTM for about ten years - a subdivision of UVZ.
      Further, without the numbers ... Well, they installed a leopard-like tower on the T-80. All electronics are not produced by either Omsk or Nizhny Tagil: they are the same. Weapons - from the same factories. And in what place is the "worst and outdated", and where is the best and modern?
      About the race at the factory training grounds, where I drove-test every bump I remember, I am silent at all. Of course, no one has held biathlon competitions before (they are still a dubious show).
      For all the two thousandth years, the country has purchased from UVZ about seventy T-90 tanks (if there is production supplied). And from whom could she buy your "eagles"?
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 17 September 2014 08: 28
        +1
        Quote: uwzek
        For all the two thousandth years, the country has purchased from UVZ about seventy T-90 tanks (if there is production supplied). And from whom could she buy your "eagles"?

        Eh hehe, dear uwzek , When you write comments do not get carried away, because the above is a little contrary to what you said _
        Quote: uwzek
        You have problems with the chronology: Omsk KBTM for about ten years - a division of UVZ.

        A little less polite.
        Yes, and about production would not be necessary. It turns out that there are two semantic layers: _ on the ZTM software this production wasn’t since the tank was new, but it was at UVZ, but then the tank wasn’t new, and it was pulled up to the level of eighties by the ears.
        In fact, what do you know about the preparation of production of ZTM software?
        And _ What is interesting about Armata they started talking almost immediately after the Omsk unit entered the UVZ.
        No associations?
        But these are all empty fabrications, and as they have said more than once _
        WAITING FOR ARMATU!
        And then we'll see who the parents are
        drinks
        1. uwzek
          uwzek 17 September 2014 13: 00
          0
          About chronology. This remark related to the statement about “two or three years ago Omsk tanks were made by Tagil tanks (not a quote, of course, but a free retelling of the commentary), to which I pointed out that the Omsk plant by that time was already part of UVZ, like many other enterprises. And nothing else.This merger took place before the crisis of 2008 (about ten years ago, approximately). At that time, UVZ, waking up from hibernation, was able to deliver about half a dozen T-90S tanks to India, it was very difficult to establish production, take my word for it. And in Omsk for those years there was nothing left. That is why my words that there was nowhere and no one to make the "eagle". During the same period, UVZ offered both new machines and options for modernizing the existing ), obviously no worse than the notorious Omsk "eagle" (although, it is unlikely that it is fundamentally stronger.) After all, no one took them into service either.
          "Armata" is a further development of the T-95 tank, the Omsk "eagle" does not have any fundamental ideas in this tank (take my word for it so far). Absolutely not in terms of stupid competition ...
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 17 September 2014 14: 43
            0
            Quote: uwzek
            This merger took place before the 2008 crisis (about ten years ago, approximately)

            Yeah, clearly _ laughing
            Yes, you do not worry so, no one in Armata and the authority of UVZ does not encroach.
            And the fact that the T-80 makes 72-ku and, at first, its deeply modernized model, too (it's about the T-90 if that) is not a secret.
            I remember, recently, that only for the expressed suspicion of the kinship between the T-72 and T-90 it was possible to rake in to the fullest.
            Well, they destroyed the T-80U at the highest level, the Almighty judge to them.
            Quote: Cynic
            WAITING FOR ARMATU!
            And then we'll see who the parents are

            hi
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 17 September 2014 18: 52
              0
              While the T-72 and T-80 were on the conveyor, the price of the T-80 was three times higher than the price of the T-72-ki. Basically, it ruined her - expensive.
              Incidentally, the T-90 began to be made on the basis of the object 188, and not on the basis of 187 (which was better by head) - for the same reason.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 18 September 2014 07: 50
                0
                Quote: Bad_gr
                Basically, it ruined her - expensive.

                However, foreign customers queued up for such expensive(?) machine.
                They don’t know how to count money, or did the T-80U suit them for the price-to-combat ratio?
                Then, at the top, they came to their senses, someone in the Moscow Region, and oxygen was shut off to the plant, the last deliveries abroad of the T-80U came from the bins of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
                Quote: Cynic
                Well, they destroyed the T-80U at the highest level, the Almighty judge to them.
                WAITING FOR ARMATU!

                hi
  42. Punkt
    Punkt 16 September 2014 19: 04
    0
    it’s high time, and then the models are all morally obsolete, although not bad cars, Toko here are the development speeds and reports on readiness ... something quickly on a fundamentally new platform, well, wait, with a miracle for 70 victories)))
  43. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 16 September 2014 19: 18
    0
    The time of creaky armor is a thing of the past, now a good direction is noiseless optically invisible, light with a coating like tanks that is stronger than armor, as metal was changed to cermet in due time, then the time came for polymers, who knows what will happen in a few decades. .
  44. Signaller
    Signaller 16 September 2014 20: 17
    +2
    Well, this is according to Stalin. There is a jet plane — its a parade. In the spring of one-autumn 15t. As with MIG 9 and Yak reactive it turned out. The weather prevented anything in the spring, it became more painful .. In Khrushevsky times TU 16 over Red Square several times drove the same link. Attache, they have so many planes ???? Darkness. BLUFF is also politics, and especially GOOD BLUFF is GREAT POLICY.
  45. Signaller
    Signaller 16 September 2014 20: 26
    +2
    Then he pulled back a little.
    Everyone writes like all of these are our tanks of the latest releases, but in general, who knows what is most important in the tank ?? Gun, engine, armor ?????
    THE MAIN THING IN THE TANK IS NOT TO BE IMPOSED IN THE PANTS, That is the main thing. The spirit and cohesion of the crew and their training. All. Everything else is from the evil one. Examples from the history of the sea.
    1. Dmitriy1975
      Dmitriy1975 16 September 2014 20: 33
      +4
      2008 South Ossetia, tank commander, ml. sergeant, conscript on the site of mech.water without shells, at the town of peacekeepers 40 minutes drove rhinos like a herd of sheep
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  47. lonovila
    lonovila 16 September 2014 20: 30
    +2
    -Yes, even if so, why was "Black Eagle" so consigned to oblivion ..? - I recently watched a film on the "tank theme" ... - Here in this film all the time in the foreground was this "smiling" General Director of OJSC "NPK" Uralvagonzavod "Oleg Sienko ... - And now he was constantly talking about Nizhniy Tagil tanks , and about Kharkov tanks and even about some Petersburg tanks ... -and all of them compared and praised all their Nizhniy Tagil tanks ... -But about the Omsk tank in general, he did not even say "half a word" ... -as if and there is no Omsk tank at all ...
    - Well, okay ... Omsk "T-80" seems to be outdated and is at the level of the Nizhny Tagil "T-90", but why is the newest Omsk tank "Black Eagle" consigned to oblivion ..?
    -Yes, even if the production of the "Black Eagle" and will cost a little more ... -really Russian tank factories will continue to rivet "routine junk" just for the sake of being a little cheaper in production ...
    - This is a direct betrayal of the interests of Russia - to produce in advance military equipment that is ineffective and inferior to foreign analogues ... - Even a Chinese tank "shot" our outdated tank during the last "biathlon" ...
    -And how will our obsolete tanks resist the new enemy tanks .. if the hostilities suddenly begin ..?
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 16 September 2014 20: 48
      +2
      Quote: lonovila
      -Well, okay ... Omsk "T-80", as it were, is outdated and is at the level of the Nizhny Tagil "T-90"

      If you look at the history of the T-90, then the first cars are only an approximation to the T-80.
      Quote: lonovila
      but the newest Omsk tank "Black Eagle" why is it consigned to oblivion ..?

      Yes, it was not him! It was a half tank, experienced and that’s it!
      That was the T-95!
      View information.
      http://topwar.ru/2972-obekt-195-t-95.html
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 September 2014 21: 02
        +3
        why it wasn’t ... it was, but in the only instance ... by the way, I watched the top 10 best tanks according to the amerovskoy version a couple of months ago on the discovery channel ... so, it is clear that Abrams was in first place ... but with the proviso that the "black eagle" of Russian production is the best tank, but because it is produced in a single copy, you cannot take it seriously ..
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 17 September 2014 08: 38
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          why it wasn’t ... he was, but in a single instance

          Hmm, we understand the words differently _ The tank was.
          An experienced car is an experienced car.
          Alas, this, for me, is more offensive than, I think, many of you.
          hi
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 17 September 2014 15: 34
            +3
            but I didn’t talk about the serial version ... looking at the "eagle", when it was shown, there was a suspicion that it was, so to speak, an experiment on the topic - but what if that's the case ... you can also recall the Berkut fighter , he is from the same song .. good cars who argue ... some solutions will be implemented in the T-95, some in the PAK FA ... it is important, they think, they invent, they are looking for original solutions ... and this is not enough. ..the rearmament of the army is now underway and who knows, maybe now those findings and solutions will be in demand not only at ostentatious demonstrations, but also in production vehicles.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 17 September 2014 17: 25
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              looking at the "eagle", when it was shown, there was a suspicion that it was, so to speak, an experiment

              No, everything was worked out by KBTM in all seriousness. And the software could launch Eagle in a series, but ...
              It’s just that the time has come in the Russian Federation, more precisely the USSR, then the Russian Federation, inappropriate.
              hi
      2. lonovila
        lonovila 16 September 2014 21: 06
        0
        -Yes, it was ... -One tank was only released in Omsk ...
        - Collect data in any search engine ... - There’s even a video ... where this tank skips all the obstacles at the tankodrome ...
        -And the characteristics of the tank are indicated ... -And the prospects for its further modifications are indicated .., for example, that -and that the cannon could be put on it not 125mm, but 135mm and even 152mm and shoot from it as a unitary projectile or " separate ", and the width of the tracks is wider, and the driver's seat has" moved "and there are many many more" innovations "...
    2. uwzek
      uwzek 17 September 2014 13: 35
      +1
      Tank factories in Russia are currently riveting "armature", which is not routine junk and (alas) much more expensive than the "eagle" from Omsk (and without a way to dramatically reduce the cost of production, which is visible in the near future). And pay less attention to all sorts of biathlon: Bjorn Dalin also smears often, why does he have a weak gun? Tank biathlon, perhaps, will take root as an element of training for tankers (and that is unlikely), but as a competition of different types of combat vehicles - definitely not. In sports, any equipment is standardized (otherwise, one ski biathlete will pass the track on a snowmobile, and the other will decide to shoot at targets from the AGS for efficiency). The generals certainly have no money to develop a tank "formula", so tank biathlon is a goof ...
  48. jekasimf
    jekasimf 16 September 2014 20: 37
    +1
    It's boring here with you. I'll go play WoT. KV 2 with the shaitanka steers!
  49. Bww
    Bww 16 September 2014 21: 04
    +2
    Its on May 9th for a parade in Kiev! The soul would rest ... That would be a holiday
    1. Prager
      Prager 31 October 2014 18: 34
      0
      A holiday for the soul and heart when they sing in unison with happiness and joy!
  50. Epizikl
    Epizikl 16 September 2014 21: 07
    0
    Quote: quilted jacket
    What will it be? There is not much to wait.



    Here it is!

    In general, having left, it will already be obsolete ...
    The path from development to implementation is too long!
    Need to Faster to implement the technique!

    Even what is still being designed under the heading "secret" is already outdated!
    The most perfect and modern, and maybe even ahead of our time - in the heads of talented designers!