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10 ships that shook the world. Part two

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Continuation of the saga of the most outstanding ships. There are no random names here - each of the characters is forever marked in stories fleet. Laurels of military glory and unconditional victories in the Cup of Designers. These combat vehicles have yet to redo the world and make us convinced of their unsurpassed capabilities.

So, a new chapter, a new time, new technologies:

6 place - destroyers orle Burke "

A unified family of warships equipped with the Aegis combat information system. Total 62 squadron destroyers in the US Navy, six in the Japanese Navy self-defense (Atago and Congo), three in the South Korean Navy (King Shoge), five in the Spanish Navy (Alvaro de Basan) , five in the Norwegian Navy ("Fridtjof Nansen"), in the near future - three more destroyers in the Australian Navy (Hobart type). Even without taking into account the numerous copies and analogs of American destroyers, in the foreseeable future, none of the states of the world will be able to break the record of the large-scale construction of the "Berkov".



The situation with Aegis destroyers threatens to get out of control. Despite the exorbitant number of built ships, their construction is still ongoing. In November, 2013 was laid down by "John Finn" - the 63 th destroyer for the US Navy. Ahead of the order for nine such ships. From the beginning of 2020, when the first of the Aegis destroyers that were built, have already left the fleet, Flight III will go into series - the destroyers of the third sub-series, whose construction will continue until 2031. It is planned that the squadrons of these ships will plow the ocean until at least 2070 year.

This is despite the fact that the first "Orly Burke" was commissioned in the distant 1991 year. And none of the foreign competitors have so far failed to surpass the “Burke” in the aggregate of combat capabilities.

80 years at the forefront of technical progress! Success is determined by several reasons:

- BIUS "Aegis" ("Aegis"), which united in a single network all weapons systems, means of detection, navigation and struggle for survivability of the ship - up to the automatic closing of doors in the emergency room in order to prevent further spread of fire (water). An automated robot ship that can simultaneously fight with dozens of surface, underwater and airborne enemies. Independently making decisions and exchanging information with their own kind;

- the powerful AN / SPY-1 radar with a peak 6 megawatt output power. As a result, the little destroyer was able to control cosmic heights;

- universal launcher Mk.41 - 90 mines for storing and launching any missiles from the arsenal of the US Navy (with the exception of naval ICBMs).

10 ships that shook the world. Part two

Joint maneuvers of the BOD "Admiral Panteleyev" and the destroyer USS Lassen (DDG-82)


There are disadvantages. Like any modern ship, the supersweeper is completely disabled by the explosion of a bag of TNT (undermining USS Cole), demonstrating survivability at the level of a tin can. All hope is only on active defense systems, which also do not shine with perfection. "Burke" deftly hurls "Tomahawks" at targets in the Iraqi desert and hits objects in low earth orbit, but due to its design flaws it is not able to effectively protect itself from attacks of modern anti-ship missiles. The power plant of the last century, archaic means of controlling anti-aircraft fire ... Despite continuous evolution, it is becoming more and more difficult for the Berks to be in the forefront of progress, competing with modern destroyers of other states.



One way or another, Burke-type destroyers are an outstanding example of a highly standardized design and a model for large-scale construction. The most numerous type of warship with a displacement of more than 5000 tons in history! These destroyers have a solid combat experience: not the first country has already experienced a rocket attack from the board of these small, but very formidable ships.

5 place - nuclear aircraft carriers such as "Nimitz"

The largest, most expensive and most stupid participants in today's review. A relict class of ships that lost their combat value with the development of a jet aviation. Their technical complexity is incredible. Efficiency (cost / benefit) is extremely low.



None of the Nimitse 10 has any decent combat history. And this is despite the fact that for all the time of their existence the Pentagon "plunged" into many military conflicts, where the American fleet was actively used. "Nimitz" are of little use in local wars for oil, where everything is decided by a full-fledged Air Force. And it is worth noting that neither now, nor during the years of the Cold War, nor in the foreseeable future will there be a situation where there would be at least some opportunity to use these giants for their intended purpose - apart from land-based aviation. Alien landing on Easter Island is a second-rate plot for Hollywood (a la "Battleship"), but there’s no reason for writing the doctrine of the modern Navy.

However, the reason is still there - the industrial and military lobby, jobs, commitment to tradition, as well as the transcendental steepness of such "floating airfields". From a military point of view, Nimitsy do not work out 1% of the funds invested in them. But from the point of view of the media, these are real media bombs that make the whole world tremble. "100 thousand tons of diplomacy", "main aggressors" - and other funny pictures, overflowing television screens around the world. After all, few of the commoners realize that even the 10 “Nimitsev” would not have enough strength to attack at least a country like Iraq.







As a result, we have fantastically beautiful, but completely useless and inefficient ships. The victory of technology over common sense. However, 10 leviathans, each with 100 thous. Tons, inspire concern and respect for their creator. Those who were able to build such a squadron, there are other, much more terrible and deadly means for waging war at sea.

And the aircraft carrier "Nimitz" became the embodiment of all dreams of a strong and powerful fleet. Remember it will be a long time.

4 place - special equipment of the Shipping Command



... A yellow-blakitny fire will flare above the sea expanse - and they will find themselves on a coast, in scales, like heat of sorrow, thirty-three bogatyrs!

No, this is not a dream drunk Bandera. By evil irony of fate, yellow-blakitnye colors are symbols of Maritime Sealift Command. About these guys do not speak out loud. They do not make beautiful TV programs about them and try to less often attract media attention to them.

In peacetime, high-speed roller skaters and mobile amphibious platforms rust quietly at secret parking lots in remote naval bases - Guam, Diego Garcia, Guantanamo ... But when the time comes, the world will know what was behind the peaceful appearance of these monsters.


Their displacement exceeds the / and the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov"

Standard reactivation time - 96 hours. Short transition to the specified port. And now the caravans of the Leviathans get up for loading, in order to deliver their sorrowful cargo to the other side of the Earth with lightning speed.

Almost all of them - impromptu on the basis of former civilian container ships. Yankees are buying high-speed gas turbine ships all over the world (24 and above knots) and, according to their insidious plans, make the once peaceful sea workers into lethal amphibious means capable of transferring an armored brigade or other large-size cargo to the combat zone at a time foreign shores.

What gives the basis to rank these freaks in warships?

1. Purpose Transportation of heavy loads in the interests of the army. In the first place - armored vehicles. Any UDC of the type of Mistral under discussion is just a puppy against the background of the Sealette Command rocking machine, which is able to take on the Abrams 100 at a time. While the security and defensive armament of the Rocker and UDC (MANPADS, machine guns) generally matches each other.

2. Special features not relevant to civilian courts. Sealift Command ships are capable of unloading in any conditions - in the ports of friendly states, on the unequipped coast (pontoons) and even on the open sea using landing craft and MLP platforms. Ramps on each side, cargo booms with a payload of 50 tons, boats, lighters, a helipad ... Finally, too high speed, inadequate crew size (on board are reserved for hundreds of people - military experts accompanying the precious cargo), special arrangement of holds, special energy supply - there can be no mistakes. This is a warship.

3. The appearance, symbols, names (most named after the dead US soldiers), ports of registry and sources of funding - all unconditionally indicates that we face formidable landing ships, only for fun, pretending to be "civilian container ships."

Finally, their exclusive role in the strategic military operations of the last decades. Without these super cars, neither Vietnam, nor Iraq, nor Yugoslavia would have happened - the American army would be locked up on its continent, unable to maintain a database in the Old World.


"Randall Shuhart" (in honor of the Delta sniper who died in Somalia) - former. Dutch container ship "Laura Maersk"



Mobile landing platform "Monford Point" (tanker type "Alaska" with cut tanks)



Offshore unloading



"Lance Corporal Roy Wit" (in honor of the Marine, who covered his body with a grenade) - former. Soviet gas turbine "Vladimir Vaslyaev"



USNS Seay unloads democracy


To be continued ...
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 12 September 2014 09: 18
    0
    How is it, for example, "Orly Burke-type URO destroyers" shocked the world ??? I see a discrepancy between the title of the article and the content.
    1. Santa Fe
      12 September 2014 09: 26
      +24
      Quote: Good cat
      How did it, for example, "Orly Burke-type URO destroyers" shake the world?

      just determined the appearance and concept of the development of ships of the class "destroyer" in all the navies of the world


      "Kunming" PLA Navy. Something painfully familiar in the guise of the newest Chinese destroyer ...
      1. 12423 student
        12423 student 12 September 2014 10: 51
        +11
        Do you not consider ships of the 19 century?
        I would suggest: Monitor, Warior, Devastation.
        They defined the appearance and concept of the development of ships in all the navies of the world even more than Orly Burke
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 September 2014 12: 21
          +8
          Quote: student 12423
          I would suggest: Monitor, Warior, Devastation.


          Write an article, and we read. wink

          Quote: student 12423
          Do you not consider ships of the 19 century?


          what

          "Twelve Apostles"
          1. kavad
            kavad 13 September 2014 20: 23
            +4
            Heavy aircraft carrier "Three Saints", Tomorrow is the war, book and game series.
            Russian directory, 27th century.
            1. ICT
              ICT 13 September 2014 20: 55
              +2
              Quote: kavad
              Heavy aircraft carrier "Three Saints"


              they say a good ship, but a little outdated wink
              is newer and more powerful
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 12 September 2014 11: 03
        +2
        And the same "Atlanta", very similar in size, do not know.
      3. Good cat
        Good cat 12 September 2014 11: 34
        +5
        In my opinion, "they determined the appearance and the concept of the development of ships of the class" destroyer "" and "shocked the world" are several different things not? In addition, often designers, without further ado, take a similar shape of the case. The Chinese method of construction is also known. Not the best example.
      4. 0255
        0255 12 September 2014 13: 30
        +2
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        "Kunming" PLA Navy. Something painfully familiar in the guise of the newest Chinese destroyer ...

        All Chinese technology has something "accidentally similar" to Soviet / Russian or American technology laughing
      5. qwert
        qwert 12 September 2014 14: 17
        +1
        What is it that they did not have before ???? Well, except for Aegis, who still hasn’t shown himself in real battles
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 12 September 2014 14: 33
          +1
          Quote: qwert
          Well, except for Aegis, who still hasn’t shown himself in real battles

          So the last battles between ships of such classes have died down for a long time, there are almost no living participants ... All ships existing in the world only presumably (well, and of course, of course) have the declared effectiveness ...
        2. patsantre
          patsantre 12 September 2014 16: 02
          0
          Can universal UVP? Or maybe elements of a strategic missile defense?
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 12 September 2014 17: 50
            +1
            Quote: patsantre
            Can universal UVP?

            Burke is the third who received the UVP Mk.41, the first were Spruens, then Tiki ...
      6. Civil
        Civil 13 September 2014 10: 55
        +1
        Without a sailing fleet, like a cuto
        1. scary ukr
          scary ukr 13 September 2014 20: 15
          0
          Do you think I didn’t want to read about the 163rd flagship?
    2. 12423 student
      12423 student 12 September 2014 10: 34
      0
      Quote: Good cat
      How is it, for example, "Orly Burke-type URO destroyers" shocked the world ??? I see a discrepancy between the title of the article and the content.

      I agree determined the appearance and concept of the development of destroyer-class ships in all the navies of the world, but it does not mean shake the world
      .
    3. not good
      not good 12 September 2014 11: 55
      +10
      Only the cruiser "Aurora" really shook the world laughing
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 September 2014 12: 15
        +18
        Quote: Negoro
        Only the cruiser "Aurora" really shook the world


        Who will write next about "Aurora"?

        If already about the ships that shook the world, then I insist on: "Santa Maria", "Pinte" and "Niñe".
        Here from them the world is still sausage.
        1. saag
          saag 12 September 2014 18: 07
          +1
          Quote: Karlsonn
          If already about the ships that shook the world, then I insist on: "Santa Maria", "Pinte" and "Niñe".
          Here from them the world is still sausage.


          Well then, if it came to shocks, then we should talk about Noah's Ark, it all started with him :-)
        2. kavad
          kavad 13 September 2014 20: 29
          +2
          I am collecting wooden models of ships. At the moment - in the context of Santissima Trinadad.
          Then I’m going to just - Pint!
          1. arnar114
            arnar114 17 September 2014 16: 41
            0
            A full-size replica of a Pint stands in the village of Boyona in Spain. You can go on an excursion. Cheap ...
    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 September 2014 16: 44
      +3
      Quote: Good cat
      How is it, for example, "URO destroyers like" Orly Burke "shocked the world ??

      The fact that Oleg once again wanted to troll the audience :))) "Merrimack" and "Monitor", which opened the era of armored ships, "Dreadnought", which put on the ears of the leading countries of the world, made them all get involved in the dreadnought race - on the tenth, and some "Arles" in his sixth. Mass character? Do not tell my slippers, in the world of dreadnoughts more was built than Arlie Berks, even if they managed to assign the status of Berks to such modest ships (one would like to say - half-berks), like the Spanish de Bazans :)))
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 15 September 2014 12: 14
        +1
        Massiveness?
        In the mass category, completely different warships can win
        wassat
        By the way, the sailing fleet of all times will give odds to any model of ships of the industrial era.
        For example, only one city - Athens - 200 standard triremes by the time of the invasion of the Persians.
        Roman or Carthaginian fleets ... Galley fleets of the Middle Ages
    5. Megatron
      Megatron 13 September 2014 03: 00
      +1
      Right now, the minusers will attack again. But as in that article - the praise of the American Navy!
  2. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 12 September 2014 09: 25
    +6
    Thanks, interesting. We look forward to continuing. hi
  3. shurup
    shurup 12 September 2014 09: 28
    +2
    What an appetizing purpose. It is necessary to remind the top bosses that "the end justifies the means."
  4. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 12 September 2014 09: 41
    +5
    I read this cycle with interest. Thank you Oleg! hi
  5. Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 12 September 2014 09: 55
    +5
    In general, Glory to America!
    1. Santa Fe
      12 September 2014 09: 58
      +12
      I can not do anything

      The Yankees have the largest collection of cool ships
      Long Beach, J. Washington, DeMoyne, Ticonderoga ...


      The world's first nuclear missile cruiser. USS Long Beach (CGN-9), 1959 year
      1. bagel
        bagel 12 September 2014 10: 30
        +5
        Ugly ship. How I do not like his cube above the deck sad
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 12 September 2014 18: 32
          0
          Quote: Bagel
          Ugly ship. How I do not like his cube above the deck

          Long Beach is a nuclear-powered missile cruiser in the US Navy. USS "Long Beach" (CGN-9) became the world's first missile cruiser, as well as the first nuclear-powered cruiser. The quintessence of advanced technical solutions of the 60s: phased array radars, digital CIUS and 3 newest rocket systems. Created for joint operations with the first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier "Enterprise". Built specifically for interaction with the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Enterprise. By the way, the cube you didn't like is the phased array antennas.
          And in this perspective?
        2. Santa Fe
          12 September 2014 21: 33
          +2
          Quote: Bagel
          How I do not like his cube above the deck

          The world's first fixed-beam radar
      2. Kars
        Kars 12 September 2014 12: 54
        +7
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Long Beach, J. Washington, DeMoyne, Ticonderoga ..

        nautilus
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 September 2014 13: 21
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          nautilus


          killed! laughing
          1. Bersaglieri
            Bersaglieri 12 September 2014 13: 48
            +6
            USS Nautilus meant the first nuclear submarine in the world.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nautilus_(SSN-571)
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 12 September 2014 15: 28
              +9
              Quote: Bersaglieri
              USS Nautilus meant the first nuclear submarine in the world.


              The first submarine was at the Indian separatists! Everyone knows that! Just Nemo from Verna took the word, the hut did not burn.
              And in general, the coolest submarine - the English one, on a merry move, which was already fussed in the year 1620.
              1. Bersaglieri
                Bersaglieri 12 September 2014 18: 40
                +2
                Cornelius Drebbel, who conceived her, was Dutch :)
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C,_
                %D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%83%D1%81
        2. Nayhas
          Nayhas 12 September 2014 14: 35
          0
          Quote: Kars
          nautilus

          I would add to George Washington, the progenitor of all SSBNs (of course, by concept ...), the appearance of a series of these nuclear missile carriers clearly caused a shock at ...
        3. pensioner
          pensioner 13 September 2014 21: 36
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          nautilus

          what
          Argo?
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 September 2014 18: 19
      +1
      Quote: Evgeniy-111
      In general, Glory to America!

      Everyone sees what he wants to see!
  6. nik23sib
    nik23sib 12 September 2014 09: 55
    -6
    Well yes, how ... Where is the largest non-aircraft cruiser? Kaptsov is a kapets. The State Department pays for the article ???
    1. Santa Fe
      12 September 2014 10: 11
      +6
      Quote: nik23sib
      Where is the largest non-aircraft cruiser?

      and what is it about to stand on a level with the Berks and Nimits?

      "Peter" is famous only for the fact that, by chance, it remained the largest of the operating ships of the plundered Russian Navy. A gloomy monument to a bygone era

      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 12 September 2014 10: 56
        +4
        If in the next part I do not see the ships of the 1144 project in the rating. I INCLUDE ALL 3 ARTICLES BY MINUS !!!!
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 12 September 2014 12: 18
          +4
          Quote: PROXOR
          If in the next part I do not see the ships of the 1144 project in the rating. I INCLUDE ALL 3 ARTICLES BY MINUS !!!!

          forgot to insert this emoticon am
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 September 2014 12: 24
          +4
          Quote: PROXOR
          If in the next part I do not see the ships of the 1144 project in the rating. I INCLUDE ALL 3 ARTICLES BY MINUS !!!!


          laughing

          the author is already scared.
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 12 September 2014 18: 34
          +1
          Quote: PROXOR
          I INCLUDE ALL 3M ARTICLES BY MINUS !!!!

          Everyone is terrified !!!
      2. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 12 September 2014 13: 34
        +3
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        and what is it about to stand on a level with the Berks and Nimits


        Only 400 powerful missiles. Unlimited range.
        And so yeah, where did he go to the berkeles that are drowning from a bag of industrial explosives.
        And the airbus is seen as a combat fighter.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 12 September 2014 14: 40
          0
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          Only 400 powerful missiles. Unlimited range.

          And for the fulfillment of what goals did you think it was created, I mean pr.1144?
          1. Forward
            Forward 12 September 2014 17: 19
            +2
            To deal with enemy air support groups
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 12 September 2014 17: 54
              -4
              Quote: Forward
              To deal with enemy air support groups

              Yeah, pr.1144 is an atomic ship of anti-submarine defense ... according to the project it was like that ...
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 12 September 2014 19: 24
                +2
                Quote: Nayhas
                Yeah, pr.1144 is an atomic ship of anti-submarine defense ... according to the project it was like that ...

                Where does such interesting information come from?
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 13 September 2014 19: 24
            +1
            Quote: Nayhas
            And for the fulfillment of what goals did you think it was created, I mean pr.1144?

            And the weapons can not be determined?
          3. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 13 September 2014 20: 50
            +3
            Quote: Nayhas
            Quote: JIaIIoTb
            Only 400 powerful missiles. Unlimited range.

            And for the fulfillment of what goals did you think it was created, I mean pr.1144?


            This is a very powerful universal ship. It can work both on surface targets and underwater ones, it also perfectly shoots down everything flying in all air defense zones.
            And yet, if you did not know. It is made using stealth technology))))) Moreover, it is very effective.
            1. patsantre
              patsantre 14 September 2014 13: 54
              0
              Is it possible in more detail? Or was it said in military secrecy?
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 12 September 2014 15: 52
        +5
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        and what is it about to stand on a level with the Berks and Nimits?

        Powerful and beautiful infection.
      4. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 13 September 2014 19: 22
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Gloomy monument of a bygone era

        Why is it gloomy?
      5. arnar114
        arnar114 17 September 2014 17: 00
        -1
        "Peter" - A striking example of our "strategic insanity"! The largest nuclear missile cruiser !!! ?????? What are its real capabilities in modern warfare? Scary size !!!!! A very convenient target. You won't miss! Tales about aircraft carrier "killers" - for URA-patriots. The operation of ships with nuclear power plants is several times more expensive than conventional ones. And how many problems with NPU repair !!!!! And ahead of their cancellation and disposal! The compartment with 2 reactors weighs 3000 tons. We have nothing to unload it for onshore storage for 70 years. Even cutting a ship's hull 265m long requires a large dock. So, all the "berries" are yet to come ....
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 19 September 2014 22: 55
          +1
          Quote: arnar114
          ... And how many problems with NPU repair !!!!! And ahead of their cancellation and disposal! The compartment with 2 reactors weighs 3000 tons. We have nothing to unload it for onshore storage for 70 years. Even cutting a ship's hull 265m long requires a large dock. So, all the "berries" are yet to come ....

          The merchants will quickly figure it out, the submarine, pr.941, was instantly cracked.
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 12 September 2014 12: 32
      +4
      Quote: nik23sib
      Kaptsov is kapets. The State Department pays for the article ???


      I saw how Kars was banned dozens of times as an agent of the Kremlin and anti-American rhetoric, but the agent of the State Department is something new.
      There was an article about the Thompson submachine gun just now, its author also an agent?
      And the author of articles about anti-aircraft art of Japan whose agent and who pays him?
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 12 September 2014 13: 09
        +1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        And the author of articles about anti-aircraft art of Japan whose agent and who pays him?


        Alex repent:

        Quote: il grand casino
        Thanks for the work! Very informative. By the way, there will be similar articles about Japan's air defense?


        but I didn’t pay anything ... request
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 September 2014 13: 24
          +1
          Quote: il grand casino
          but I didn’t pay anything ...


          --- cries, huddled in a corner from greed ---
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 12 September 2014 18: 36
        0
        Quote: Karlsonn
        And the author of articles about anti-aircraft art of Japan whose agent and who pays him?

        So - Japanese !!!
  7. kirgudu
    kirgudu 12 September 2014 09: 56
    +20
    But as for me, this ship deserves one of the first places. Let him not be a noble warrior, for something it was he who changed the world. It is to him that we owe a 5-day working week, free medicine and education, well, and much more.

    Cruiser Aurora".
    1. Santa Fe
      12 September 2014 10: 05
      +5
      Quote: kirgudu
      It is to him that we owe 5-day working week, free medicine and education

      We owe all of this to the 5 years of the Civil War, the monstrous overstrain during the years of industrialization and the reforms of Khrushchev

      Aurora's shot is just an allegory. It has nothing to do with the fleet.
    2. Frisbee
      Frisbee 12 September 2014 10: 43
      +3
      If you go down in history, then you must pay tribute to another (ancient) boat - Noah's Ark laughing
      1. Good cat
        Good cat 12 September 2014 11: 37
        +1
        He precisely defined "the appearance and concept of the ships' development."
    3. Good cat
      Good cat 12 September 2014 11: 37
      +5
      Here on the occasion of "Aurora" 100% agree, she really shook the world.
      1. avt
        avt 12 September 2014 13: 05
        +6
        Quote: Good cat
        Here on the occasion of "Aurora" 100% agree, she really shook the world.

        And note - only a blank shot and only 6 inches! laughing Where are the dishes from the rating of Oleg’s favorite ships, well, of course, excluding aircraft carriers, which he probably put so as not to get any extra minuses laughing .
        Quote: Karlsonn
        If already about the ships that shook the world, then I insist on: "Santa Maria", "Pinte" and "Niñe".
        Here from them the world is still sausage.

        Well, I’m saying this - this is the rating of the ships that shocked Oleg! This is how the series of articles should be perceived.
        1. 0255
          0255 12 September 2014 13: 37
          +4
          Quote: avt
          Well, I’m saying - this is the rating of the ships that shocked Oleg ! This is how the series of articles should be perceived.

          More accurate article title good But be that as it may, Kaptsov writes articles like at least for his humor!
      2. samoletil18
        samoletil18 12 September 2014 17: 14
        0
        Then the minelay "Azard" or "Marty". The Aurora with the unloaded ammunition was standing.
    4. askold
      askold 12 September 2014 18: 16
      0
      Urra comrades !!!
    5. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 September 2014 18: 38
      +2
      Quote: kirgudu
      It is to him that we owe a 5-day working week

      Five-day was introduced in 1967! 50 years have been waiting, however.
  8. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 12 September 2014 10: 00
    +2
    I understand that the Americans stupidly listed all their types of ships?

    *** except the first from the end of two
  9. smershxnumx
    smershxnumx 12 September 2014 10: 05
    0
    Liked. Plusanul.
  10. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 12 September 2014 10: 13
    +5
    And submarines are no longer boats or they did not shake the world at all, maybe the Komsomolets that conquered the depths of hydrospace does not impress someone ??? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
    1. 12423 student
      12423 student 12 September 2014 10: 58
      +4
      Quote: kapitan281271
      But submarines are no longer ships or they didn’t shock the world at all.

      Do you remember such a boat U-9? That's who shocked the world
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 September 2014 18: 46
      +2
      Quote: kapitan281271
      "Komsomolets" who conquered the depths of hydrospace

      On August 4, 1985, a boat under the command of Captain 1st Rank Yury Zelensky set an absolute world record for diving depth of 1027 meters. The Komsomolets submarine has been resting for a quarter of a century at a depth of 1650 meters at the bottom of the Norwegian Sea.
  11. d-shvets
    d-shvets 12 September 2014 10: 31
    +4
    Something one-sided some kind of review
  12. brn521
    brn521 12 September 2014 10: 42
    +1
    Submarines, in other words, submarines, then they are not on the list?
  13. Roland60135.
    Roland60135. 12 September 2014 10: 57
    +1
    The larger and larger the auxiliary ships, the more obvious and impressive will be the repetition of the Goya and Wilhelm Gustloff. (Do you remember the history?) And who said that our boats will not gnaw off pieces of this mighty fleet? One will be drowned with 5-10 thousand s and the world marches will begin across America. Vietnam passed
    1. Assistant
      Assistant 14 September 2014 16: 24
      0
      The larger and larger the auxiliary ships, the more obvious and impressive the repetition of the Goya and Wilhelm Gustloff will be.


      The larger - I agree completely. But if they are like ships of the "Liberty" type, which were riveted by 2,7 thousand pieces? And now in the USA they don't even build transports, but buy ready-made ones and re-equip them.
  14. Max adelheid
    Max adelheid 12 September 2014 11: 30
    +7
    I hope that Yamato will come first ... tongue
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 12 September 2014 14: 49
      +1
      Quote: Max Adelheid
      I hope that Yamato will come first

      NOT, most likely it will be Isaac ... Although knowing Oleg’s dislike for aircraft carriers maybe not .. but certainly not Yamato.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 12 September 2014 19: 20
        +1
        Wang the Baltimore in first place. "Zamvolt" and "Visby"
  15. Cristall
    Cristall 12 September 2014 11: 35
    +2
    the second issue and the criteria by which the nominees were chosen is strange ..
    Even if like Dreadnought, Iowa centenarians, well, Orly Burke .. I would have understood .. but here
    and heroically dead (Bismarck) and simply existed ..
    There are many heroic ships ... significant ones too ..
    Such collections are good for Discovery .. there is almost English-American.
    Although it should be recognized that the United States has the best fleet to date ... and since the Second World War they have been holding the mark.
  16. Good cat
    Good cat 12 September 2014 11: 43
    +4
    All the same, I will once again draw your attention to the title of the article "10 ships that shook the world." In my opinion, there should be examples of ships that have changed something in the world, and if I agree with the "dreadnought", then the rest of the examples are past the box office for now. Aurora, Columbus caravels are more suitable. And the article is completely different, and pro-American 100%
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 12 September 2014 12: 21
      +2
      Quote: Good cat
      In my opinion, there should be examples of ships that have changed something in the world and if I agree with the "dreadnought", then the rest of the examples past the checkout while.

      and aircraft carriers, didn’t they change the concept of the fleet ???
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 September 2014 18: 49
      0
      Quote: Good cat
      And the article is about something else, and 100% pro-American

      So write your own - 100% pro-Russian!
    3. Raphael_83
      Raphael_83 12 September 2014 19: 11
      +2
      And the article is about something else, and 100% pro-American

      And the "Bismarck" mentioned in article 1, which forced almost the entire British fleet to chase after him, and "Tirpitz", which caused the enemy convulsions by the mere fact of heating the boilers, are the brainchild of the American military?
      PS
      As for the shaking of the world: Oleg, I think, needed to clarify what was shaken precisely in the applied sense, with regards to the naval theme and the application of this theme to the further history of both the fleets themselves and their tactical and technical development. From this point of view, the shot of the Aurora has nothing to do with it, it's like a flare gun shot on a treadmill - the infantry (well, dismounted sailors) took the Zimny ​​one on land too ... If you are gnawing at injustice to the Russian fleet , put forward worthy arguments. For me personally, from the worthy surface Russian creations of the 20th century, only Noviks and BOD pr. 1155 and atomic Kirov come to mind.
      P.P.S
      Oleg, thank you. The selection may be pretentious and controversial, but not bad anyway. For a long time the good old "kaptsov" materials were not there. From SW. hi
  17. jayich
    jayich 12 September 2014 12: 04
    +4
    I’m wondering why they forgot about the "Kirov" when he went to the test all NATO managed to the full program.
  18. Nayhas
    Nayhas 12 September 2014 13: 19
    0
    This is unexpected! Thank you Oleg, the patriots are furious, as it is, not a word about the Soviet ships!
  19. qwert
    qwert 12 September 2014 14: 17
    0
    Quote: slavbag
    Yes, no sweetheart, he is right. It is here on this site that the idea that the main thing is cheap simple mass is constantly untwisted and added. And all American-Israeli-German bullshit because it is expensive complicated and requires staff training. Let's be honest sometimes.

    The most massive weapons in comparison with strangers in Russia (the USSR) have always been tanks and Kalash. Where have you seen comments that Soviet tanks are better than American or Merkav because they riveted an order of magnitude more ???? The same thing about the machine. They always say that Soviet weapons with the same characteristics turned out to be simpler and more reliable. This is always written, but about excellence due to volumes, only about T-34. But there, too, it is debatable that he was worse than the Germans. The best optics on the tank, as well as the better radar or other single parameter, cannot make the technique better.
    Moreover, they reproach Yakovlev and Stalin for the fact that "they" riveted to the heap before the war, frankly nonsense Yak-2. So, investing in a large series of mediocre cars is also not gut.
  20. Mooh
    Mooh 12 September 2014 14: 29
    +4
    Pig at the very beginning
    A total of 62 squadrons destroyer as part of the U.S. Navy

    And the article, as always, is super.
  21. qwert
    qwert 12 September 2014 14: 29
    +2
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    they only determined the appearance and concept of the development of destroyer-class ships in all the navies of the world

    What is it that they did not have before ???? Well, except for Aegis, who still hasn’t shown himself in real battles ....

    About submarines. Well, maybe they wanted to include them in the rating. But there will be only one American submarine - the world's first nuclear-powered one. And on the part of the USSR and Germany ships 7. Somehow for the Americans, not a "sugar" rating will be released.

    Therefore, again, ships are not taken whose feat has rendered the world. Again, the rating will not be American. What can they oppose to the Varangian and Goeben ???

    They turned on New Jersey and did not turn on Yamato ... It's generally funny. The author of the massive character of the series is guided by ???? In short, the rating is some really Discovery. Like, the Anglo-Saxons were always the best, and they are chocolate themselves, and the rest are from d @ -ma.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 12 September 2014 15: 01
      +3
      Quote: qwert
      What can they oppose to the Varangian and Goeben ???

      The cruiser Varyag honestly as a warship was not something outstanding, and its fate is rather complicated, heroically fought, flooded, then raised and the service for those with whom he fought ... there are more myths around him ... Geben is possible only for his longevity, 48 years in the service ...
      Quote: qwert
      Turned on New Jersey and not turned on Yamato ...

      Yamato, as it were, didn’t become famous for his dimensions, but also for heroic death ...
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 September 2014 18: 55
      0
      Quote: qwert
      . What can they oppose to the Varangian and Goeben

      The cruiser "Varyag" was laid down in 1898. Construction was carried out in Philadelphia at the William Cramp and Sons shipyards. In 1900, the ship was transferred to the Navy of the Russian Empire and in 1901 entered service.
      The Göben is a German battle cruiser of the Moltke type from the First World War. It was commissioned on July 2, 1912. In 1914-1917 he conducted operations on the Black Sea against the Russian fleet and the Caucasian front of the Russian army.
    3. Raphael_83
      Raphael_83 12 September 2014 19: 20
      +3
      Turned on New Jersey and not turned on Yamato ...

      Excuse me magnanimously, but what else did Yamato become famous for, except for its heroic death, being mercilessly beaten by enemy carrier-based aircraft and unable to use its monstrous artillery for its intended purpose? I clarify this specifically in case of disputes around the "Bismarck": he just had time to shoot before his death and is much more effective than the British. If you look from the point of influence on the further development of the fleet, he had only one sistership, and more such monsters were not built at all.
      I would then have insisted that Shinano be included in the rating according to the same criterion - to be drowned by a single modest Archer Fish is certainly not too heroic, but the largest aircraft carrier of that period of the war, after all. Let's be objective!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 13 September 2014 07: 33
        +1
        Quote: Raphael_83
        Forgive me magnanimously, but what else has Yamato become famous for, besides his heroic death,

        Yamato ”- a type of battleship of the Japanese imperial fleet of the Second World War. Two ships of this type were built - Yamato and Musashi, and the hull of the third ship was converted into the Shinano aircraft carrier. The largest battleships in history.
        1. Raphael_83
          Raphael_83 13 September 2014 16: 18
          0
          Guilty for misunderstanding. Too vague comment turned out. recourse
          So I know about these ships, of course, I read everything I could about them in due time. And "Shinano" used only as an example of the fact that it is not necessary to shove everything into the rating, although as a spherical aircraft carrier in hydrospace, besides, it was also rebuilt from the largest battleship of that time (okay, okay, one of three battleships!) deserves a mention too. But it is absolutely not applicable to this rating. From SW. hi
  22. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 12 September 2014 15: 35
    +3
    Well, if you take the author's impressionability of the quantitative component of the series, then the transports of the "Liberty" type cannot be brought in, who remembers them there something about 2500 spanked, so according to the ENTHO criterion "Burke" just sucks.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 12 September 2014 16: 31
      +2
      Compared the pelvis with a high-tech ship.
  23. supertiger21
    supertiger21 12 September 2014 16: 19
    +1
    Finally, Kaptsov started writing articles again!
    This one-sided article, of course, didn’t amaze me very much, but in general everything is well written. good , we will wait for an article about military aircraft.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 12 September 2014 17: 19
      0
      Quote: supertiger21
      We will wait for an article about military aircraft

      Discovery already has it.
  24. patsantre
    patsantre 12 September 2014 16: 29
    +7
    I do not understand the disturbances patriots about the paid article. It may not be completely objective - Oleg shoved the Nimits here for their amazing power, declaring meager combat experience and worthlessness (it was not worth doing this even because it wasn’t, but in order not to cause a new portion of indignation and frustration, it already looks like to trolling), but Iowa is still the same. So, the patriots are outraged by the lack of our ships in the ranking, but our fleet has always been behind the American, and this is logical. Amyrians have a fleet - a priority, while we are placing the ground forces, and the doctrine is more defensive. Nevertheless, in our fleet there is or was something to show, maybe there is something for the rating, but the overwhelming predominance of their ships in the rating is quite logical.
    Judging by the chronology and knowing the author, we can conclude that in the third part of the article we will see type 45 and zumwalt.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 12 September 2014 22: 17
      0
      Quote: patsantre
      Judging by the chronology and knowing the author, we can conclude that in the third part of the article we will see type 45 and zumwalt.

      Although Oleg has a clear sympathy for type 45, they will not be in the top three.
      1. patsantre
        patsantre 13 September 2014 00: 42
        +1
        I also do not consider this ship worthy of being in the top three, but it will find arguments like "unprecedented super radars, missiles with AGSN and finally a perfect air defense / missile defense".
  25. Yozhik
    Yozhik 12 September 2014 17: 27
    +3
    Personally, my opinion, as an absolutely non-naval officer, is an interesting article. To the author plus. P.S. About Aurora it is no longer interesting to read comments, as well as about the 19th century and that we are getting better at times.
  26. silver_roman
    silver_roman 12 September 2014 17: 42
    +1
    I will correct the author a little:
    the word "destroyer" stands for destroyer.
    in article slips
    destroyer squadron
    .
    it's like a destroyer squadron! buttered oil))

    ps and yet we are waiting for "Peter the Great". author, don't be angry public)))
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 12 September 2014 18: 09
      -1
      Quote: silver_roman
      ps and yet we are waiting for "Peter the Great". author, don't be angry public)))

      "Peter the Great" would take first place in the ranking of shipbuilding incidents ... I understand that now in the Russian Navy it is the largest, but size does not always matter. It’s just that everything is loose from the chain, is there really nothing to remember except Peter / Andropov? In my opinion, etc. 58 and 61 are the most worthy of getting into this rating.
      Pr.1144 is a disgrace to domestic shipbuilding, money thrown overboard ... As an indicator of the current situation with them, when Peter came into operation, his three brothers went to the crap and most likely forever (all projects to restore them are nothing more than populism). While not much inferior to them in the effectiveness of pr.1164 EVERYTHING! still in service!
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 13 September 2014 02: 15
        +2
        Quote: Nayhas
        Project 1144 is a disgrace to domestic shipbuilding, money thrown overboard.

        I do not agree with you. the issue in the scope of application 1144. It was originally planned that these ships would cover domestic AUGs. Two cruisers per aircraft carrier. Unfortunately, no luck was to implement this.

        What then to say about them? for some reason, everyone believes that if he can carry an air wing of 80 aircraft, then he uses these aircraft instantly. This is a blunder. Until the latter takes off, the former will already run out of fuel. AUG is a political tool, no more. And what will happen to any boat of the boat if even a powerful anti-ship missile hits the deck? all systems are immediately broken and 100 tons of useless trash are in the sea.
        and about the rest of 1144. *:
        they are going to be converted into carriers of cruise missiles, and this is a force. By type as a submarine in syshya with carriers of tomahawks. plus if the ship has in its armament a full-fledged marine air defense system of the s-400 or s-500 type. this is a huge deal. From the eastern Mediterranean you can cover a huge radius of airspace.
        1. Santa Fe
          13 September 2014 06: 55
          -1
          Quote: silver_roman
          he can carry an air wing as part of the 80 LA

          Can not

          See the area of ​​the flight deck and hangars, layout and location of spotting
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 September 2014 08: 17
            +2
            Maybe Oleg, maybe :)))))
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 14 September 2014 14: 36
          +1
          Regarding the vitality of Nimitz, you are mistaken.
          The Americans thought of both hitting torpedoes and hitting
          RCC in the case. This is tested on models and on older
          decommissioned aircraft carriers. They are shot by torpedoes, and then
          special rescue teams (from existing aircraft carriers) eliminate holes,
          eliminate the roll by flooding the compartments on the other hand.
          The aircraft carrier will not only not sink, but will continue to function.

          You are also mistaken about the pace of aircraft take-off. They take off
          in pairs at a phenomenally high pace. Take-off and take-off carousels
          fuel thought out. Sitting down do not interfere with the take-off.
          Maritime aviation has the largest flying hours and continuous rehearsals
          takeoffs and landings in the most difficult conditions "storm, night, etc.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 September 2014 18: 59
      0
      Quote: silver_roman
      it's like a destroyer squadron! buttered oil))

      There is also "... knots per hour"! These are the bloopers ...
  27. sebast
    sebast 12 September 2014 17: 58
    +1
    Can a harpoon from MK-41 be launched? If so, what is 2 pu closer to the stern?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 September 2014 18: 02
      +2
      Quote: sebast
      Can a harpoon from MK-41 be launched?

      No way
      Quote: sebast
      If yes, then what kind of 2 poo is closer to the stern?

      Harpoon is :)
      1. sebast
        sebast 12 September 2014 18: 05
        +1
        Thought so. thank wink
    2. Santa Fe
      12 September 2014 21: 51
      +2
      Quote: sebast
      A harpoon from MK-41 can be launched

      Harpoon is not included in the BC of modern Berks

      For their place, the new anti-ship missiles - LRASM, which are just the same launched from MK.41
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 13 September 2014 19: 50
        0
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        For their place, the new anti-ship missiles - LRASM, which are just the same launched from MK.41

        Only LRASM-A was done, LRASM-B was never mastered, and it very much resembles a description of their characteristics (flight in a flock, choice of the main target).
  28. romashki74
    romashki74 13 September 2014 08: 13
    +2
    Here is a ship that really shook the world ....

    http://kobtv.narod.ru/documental/taran.html
  29. Florist
    Florist 13 September 2014 11: 08
    0
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Quote: sebast
    A harpoon from MK-41 can be launched

    Harpoon is not included in the BC of modern Berks

    For their place, the new anti-ship missiles - LRASM, which are just the same launched from MK.41


    Are these LRASMs already adopted? I do not know how things are with them (
  30. brn521
    brn521 13 September 2014 11: 13
    +2
    Quote: kapitan281271
    Well, if you take the author's impressionability of the quantitative component of the series, then the transports of the "Liberty" type cannot be brought in, who remembers them there something about 2500 spanked, so according to the ENTHO criterion "Burke" just sucks.

    Moreover, ships of this type also distinguished themselves. Grankan destroyed Texas City, destroying and overtaking a lot of people and equipment. He even shot down a couple of planes. And this despite the fact that he was not yet fully charged. Had it been loaded with saltpeter to its full capacity, it would have overpowered the city to make it even bigger with the ground.
    Quote: Good cat
    Aurora, Columbus caravels, are more suitable.

    Aurora is a late Bolshevik mythology, when they began to bring the bloody mess of history into a romantic form. Columbus caravels - no one even really knows what they were, even the name "caravel" is conditional. There are only a few words left in the descriptions, and that's it.
    Quote: romashki74
    Here is a ship that really shook the world ....

    I am still more impressive brig "Mercury". A combination of clear management, well-coordinated team actions and luck.
  31. 89067359490
    89067359490 13 September 2014 11: 21
    +3
    Destroyers Arly Burke? It was not fate that the destroyers of the Novik type were laid out. They were ours first. Secondly, it was a revolutionary ship for its time. And thirdly, ships of this type fought for real.
  32. Alexander
    Alexander 13 September 2014 12: 30
    0
    Wow! So Bismarck shook the world, but Yamato didn’t? Where is the logic, the author? Some little Burke shook the world, but our Orlan (Kirov, Peter ..) didn’t ?! Where is the logic, the author? !!!! But I am generally silent about the barges; then I could give bulk carriers as examples or tankers, they are much larger. Ship selection is nothing at all!
  33. MAX2014
    MAX2014 13 September 2014 12: 36
    0
    I think this article was written by the Yankees. And according to my logic, the GLORY TO AMERICAN WEAPONS should be called am
  34. xomaNN
    xomaNN 13 September 2014 15: 52
    +1
    I must admit that the Orly Burke destroyers are a great success of the Yankee supr. Hat-covering is inappropriate here. At different times we also produced good series of BODs (both 61-b and 1135!) But the Yankees, by their "frenzied" replication of these ships, also show us what a SERIES of similar and fairly universal ships is. fellow
  35. patsantre
    patsantre 15 September 2014 12: 10
    +1
    the third part will be?