Main battle tanks (part 7) - Merkava, Israel

Israel has begun developing its own tank in 1972, in 1977, the first photographs of prototypes of the Merkava tank were presented to the press. The first public display of the tank took place in 1979 on the day of the independence of the Israeli state. The specifics of Israel and special design ideas led to the creation of a rather unusual main battle tank, which has a number of interesting features.

Features of Israeli tank building

This may seem strange, but the main restrictions on the weight and dimensions of tanks are imposed by rail transport standards. Tank units need to be quickly deployed over long distances, OBT should not create problems for railway platforms, pass under bridges and tunnels. In Israel, they initially expected to use the tank only in their compact territory and to carry out transport using special auto platforms. Dimensions and weight do not hang over the designers, so the Merkava is today one of the heaviest tanks in the world. The mass of the Merkava Mc4 modification reaches 65 tons, in a number of sources the value in 70 tons is indicated.

The features of the proposed theater of operations set the narrowness of the geographical and climatic capabilities of the tank. "Merkava" is not intended for operations in conditions of winter cold, off-road in the middle lane, tropical humidity, swamps. Its element is gently sloping mountains, dry desert and subtropics, which reduced the export potential of the car to a minimum.

Influenced by the construction and the fact that the Israelis prefer to conduct defensive actions from the positions located on the slopes of heights. Based on this method of firing, it was assumed a high probability of hitting the shells in the tank turret. That is why the designers tried as much as possible to move the combat compartment from the tower into the body and reduce its frontal silhouette.

Another factor was the increased concern for the survival of the crew of a combat vehicle. The crew was placed slightly lower and behind than on most modern tanks. The front of the tank is fitted with an engine and transmission, which are protected by heavy cast armor plate, on the inside of which a second armor plate with a thickness of 60 mm is installed at some distance. The cavity between them occupies the fuel tank. For the engine is mounted another armor plate thickness of 20 mm. Because of this, the crew of the tank was provided with serious protection from frontal hits.

Much attention during the development of the tank was paid to the issue of convenient work of tankers. The designers, in fact, proceeded from the concept that a tank is a crew house during a war. In particular, a very controversial concept of round-the-clock use of a tank was proposed, for which the 2 crew was supposed to be placed in it - one is fighting, the other is resting. If necessary, the wounded could take the place of the backup crew. This concept led to the creation of an unprecedented in the modern world tank building zabronevogo volume of the hull, which in turn affected the size of the tank. The possibility of transporting people inside the MBT put a number of experts at a standstill, some of them at one time even tried to separate the Merkava into a separate subspecies of the BMP tanks. The fighting compartment of the tank can be used to transport military personnel and their property, and also allows the wounded to be evacuated from the battlefield. In the stern armor sheet is a hatch width in 600 mm., Which opens access to the fighting compartment.

Merkava Mk1

To date, known 4 modification of the tank. The very first "Merkava Mc1" is no longer in service with the Israeli army. The main tanks of the Israel Defense Forces are the McNXX, Mc2 and Mc3, respectively. The first models of the tank Mk4 and Mk1 were armed with 2-mm American gun МNNXX, had less powerful engines with a total power of 105 hp, a simpler FCS, and also, as shown by the fighting, in which they had to take part, insufficient booking. In the process of upgrading the tank, Israeli experts took the path of increasing all the listed parameters and ridding the machine of the identified childhood diseases. Consider the most modern models Mk68 and Mk900.

Merkava Mk3

According to British experts, the Merkava Mc3 appeared almost new tank, and not the modernized Mc2. Still, the key issue for the Israelis was the increased protection of the combat vehicle. At the MBT "Merkava Mc3" modular armor was used. The modules - special armored blocks - were fastened to the hull and turret of the tank with bolts. They were strengthened almost all vulnerable places of the machine. Onboard screens received more advanced armor. Unlike the West German Leopard-2 or the Soviet T-80U, in which the reinforced armor of the onboard screens is located only in the driver's zone, on the Merkava the resistance to onboard screens is the same over the entire length of the hull. The turret of the tank is covered with modular armor on the top and sides.

One of the advantages of using modular armor is the ability to quickly replace the affected elements even in the field. Regarding the use of modular armor, Israeli General Israel Tal noted that this tank will always be forever young, it will not grow old, its armor can always be replaced with a newer and more perfect one. Particular attention was paid to the full range of protection of the machine, which was made in view of the fighting in Lebanon in 1982 year. The security of the tank from the stern was increased due to the installation of armored fuel tanks in the stern armor sheet instead of battery and FBU compartments (ventilation and filtration unit). At the same time, the batteries were transferred to the nadgusenichnye sponsons, and the filtering unit was installed in the aft niche of the tank tower.

Merkava Mk2

As the main weapons The 120-mm gun was installed on the tank, which significantly increased its firepower. This tool is in many respects similar to the German Rh-120 and the American M-256, while the barrel rollout system on the Israeli gun is more compact. Shooting from this weapon is possible by all types of ammunition of German and American production. Ammunition guns consists of 48 shots. The barrel of the gun has a thermo-insulating casing, and in its middle part an ejector is used, which serves to remove powder gases. Its dismantling does not require the removal of the thermal insulation casing, and the replacement of the gun barrel is made without dismantling the turret.

Tank shots are stored in individual containers for greater reliability. Five shots are immediately ready for battle and are located on the rotating polik of the tower. The shop and the semi-automatic ammunition supply system for the gun are part of the AZ being developed. Now the loader loads the ammunition shop from individual containers. Raising shots is carried out using a foot drive, after which the loader manually sends them to the breech. Israelis believe that such a scheme allows to achieve a compromise between the relatively simple loading mechanism, which facilitates the work of the gunner and increases the rate of fire, and the requirement of the military insisting on the presence of a tank crew of 4 people.

The tank was improved fire control system, produced by Elbit. The gunner received a new sight with the possibility of automatic tracking of the target, with axis stabilization independent of the position of the gun barrel, with an 12-multiple increase and a laser rangefinder. Night channel sight gunner has 5-fold increase. The commander also received a stabilized periscope sight with 14-4 multiple approximation and an independent night channel. The sight of the tank commander is connected with the gunner's sight by the optical channel and allows the commander to target. Electro-hydraulic guns and reversal of the turret were completely replaced with electric ones, to increase safety.

Merkava Mk3

For the first time in stories Western tank building, the tank received an electromagnetic radiation warning system. 2 wide-angle sensors are installed along the sides of the aft part of the turret, one is above the gun barrel. All 3 sensors provide a circular coverage, transmitting information about the azimuth of the radiation source to a small display located next to the commander's workplace.

For the mobility of the tank answered more powerful forced engine AVDS-1790-9AR - 1200 hp (models Mk1 and Mk2 had engines hp power 900) and advanced hydromechanical transmission. The use of such an engine allowed the 63-ton car to accelerate along the highway to 60 km / h. The first tanks of this model began to arrive in service with the Israeli army at the beginning of the 1990-s, the cost of one tank was 2,3 million dollars.

Merkava Mk4

The new Israeli MBT Merkava Mc4 was first shown to the public in 2002 year. In 2004, the army received the first battalion equipped with these tanks. The configuration of the armor modules of the turret was significantly reworked on the tank, the tank gun received a mask. The reservation of the roof of the tower, which now covers the entire roof, and not just the front part, was significantly strengthened. As a result of these measures, the loader lost the hatch, only the hatch of the commander remained on the roof. The mass of the tank reached 65 tons.

In order to maintain mobility in the tank, the diesel 12-cylinder water-cooled engine (all previous ones were air) was installed for the first time in 1500 hp. The components of this diesel engine are manufactured by the German company MTU, then assembled in the United States under a license from General Dynamics Land Systems and exported to Israel under the name of the GD 883 propulsion system. The engine is mounted in a single unit with a Renk RK 5 325-speed automatic transmission.

Merkava Mk4

The tank was equipped with an improved 120-mm gun, designed for increased pressure of powder gases. Together with the gun, the new improved electric drum mechanism is now working, feeding shells to the loader and 10-designed shells, the rest, as before, are stored in individual refractory containers in the stern of the tank.

The tank control system has been improved. In particular, the thermal imaging channel, the automatic target tracking device and the panoramic sight of the tank commander were further developed. A video camera was placed in the stern of the tank, which helps the driver navigate when reversing.

For the first time in the history of Western tank building, the Merkava McNUMX received a complex of active defense against anti-tank missiles - Trophy. The complex works in automatic mode and tracks targets in the 4 degrees sector. At a distance of several tens of meters 360 radar mounted around the perimeter of the tower detect anti-tank ammunition and give the command to destroy it. The estimated cost of the tank is 4 million dollars, the estimated cost of the Trophy active protection complex is no more than 3,7% of its value.

Sources used:
www.btvt.narod.ru/4/morkova/merkava.htm
www.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/Merkava/mer1/
www.iraq-war.ru/article/100887
www.army-guide.com/eng/product2050.html

Comments

[LESHA pancake]

it would be nice to beat him with a fly and see how the Jews will jump out

[Insurgent]

your fly is only for Mers Shevardnadze to beat for the merkava the fly is all the same that for the elephant the bite of the chamber

[dmitri077]

a fly in Grozny was already fucked in January 1995

[mitrich]

Heavy, powerful, aesthetically beautiful...
Only during its virtually only lost war in southern Lebanon in the summer of 2006, the IDF OFFICIALLY admitted the loss of almost 50 Merkavs, including a dozen Mk4s. Hezbollah listed about 170 tanks as Israeli casualties, I think. Applying the principle of the "golden mean", it can be assumed that the losses of the IDF amounted to approximately 70-100 vehicles. After all, as a rule, both sides of any conflict lie.
The main culprit for such unexpected (even according to official statistics) high losses in equipment for the Israelis was the Russian-made Kornet-E ATGM. What else? The Palestinians do not have helicopters for fire support and tanks, and we have never heard of Arab heroes tied with a bunch of grenades and throwing themselves under enemy tanks. Moreover, the IDF recaptured several ATGMs from the Palestinians. The Jews then took offense at Russia, they even explained their support for Georgia with the "Cornet" (according to the media), although the complexes were provided to the Palestinians not by Russia, but by Syria.
In general, the combat use of these tanks is not impressed. You can fight them in the conditions of combined arms combat.

[Sasha]

hello mitrich I already led a discussion with you about the m16-kalash. there are several facts that I think are not entirely true. 1. about the loss of 50 merkav - please specify the irrecoverable losses)) then it sounds at least incorrect. 2. "Cornet-E" I will not argue about the defeat, I do not know, but about the Palestinians about what they do not have. firstly, not the Palestinians, but the Hizbals, and they represent the state of Lebanon, respectively, the Lebanese; in the second, I think, having studied what the Hizbals have, they themselves would be immodestly surprised. 3 regarding resentment against Russia, more than one military industrial enterprise does not conclude export deals without the knowledge of state structures, but to say that having sold something to Syria did not know that the complexes would end up in Hizbala, this is already at the kindergarten level. and Israel by the way that sold Georgia can you say?

[viruskvartirus]

3 tanks were irretrievably lost in which the ammunition detonated .... and there were no Kornets ... there was an RPG-29 vampire.

[tsun]

mitrich pots, you better tell me how much Russia lost in Chechnya, and in the Lebanese war there were only 4 irretrievable losses, and the Jews also learn from their mistakes, unlike the Russians, for each merkava I install active windbreaker protection

[slan]

A strange reaction, given that mitrich did not write anything negative. Although, given the statistics on mental illness among Jews, nothing surprising.
ps the tank is designed exclusively for the fight against civilians. Because no one has bought it so far, but for Israel it is certainly an ideal tank.

[Sasha]

study the history of the Israeli wars and we will be able to talk about the "civilian population"))

[dmitri077]

"ps the tank was designed exclusively to deal with civilians." - this is something new in tank building ... apparently an expert

[Lech e-mine]

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Imagine that even ideal MERKAVAs burn no worse than TIGERS.

[MichaelVl]

Tsun
an article about Merkava was written, people give out comments on it ... What does our losses in Chechnya have to do with it? And in general, who told you that Russians do not study? :) By the way, who are you? Korean?

[almost demobil]

Well, a clear pots Korean! He wrote more mistakes in the commentary than words.

[mitrich]

ZUN
I also referred to your Jewish data, so you should not be offended. Your General Staff voiced the information, so everything is official.
Apparently, "poz" something offensive? Is it time for me to get offended?
I read what "pots" is. I really have a member, quite suitable to click on your forehead.

[Sasha]

idiots are everywhere. but after reading the comments, I think that it can be assumed that a person was hurt to the quick.

[tsu78]

slan- pots and you have already recovered? congratulations on your discharge deer you care about the jews like pikina doggy style mitrich hey you save your dick if i get you stupid maskal

[tsu78]

slan -and you have already recovered, congratulations on baking you mitrich -pots you better remember 73 years when your Israeli military pilots were hit on the forehead with a member or in Lebanon in 82 they scolded you like jerboas in the desert, we are not Georgia, if you take a merkava, then in most cases the crew will chew why can’t you say a t-72 or t-80

[His]

You owe us your life that we saved you from Hitler, and you are hooligans on our website. It’s not good, they can change temporarily, the Americans come and throw their vassals

[Sasha]

I don’t quite understand where such a widespread opinion comes from that America is pulling Israel, but could you not admit that this is a completely normal phenomenon, provided that the Arab neighbors were also helped. Now the question is about being saved. it was not YOU who saved us, but our grandfathers, my grandfather, who died long before my birth, reached Berlin, this is along the Jewish line.
and even more specifically for you to think about .... a quote from a fairly well-known person "A fool is one who tries to cover up his own insignificance with the merits of his ancestors"

[MichaelVl]

Sasha
based on your "quote from a fairly well-known person" about a fool, it turns out that the fool is Tsu78, because he started a polemic here about who clicked where to whom ... As I understand it, here again the "Flying Dutchmen" flew to a site that Russians do please :) If you want to argue about what bad Russians are and how they don't learn from mistakes, and how YOU snap them, then bark and brag among yourself, Tsun, Tsu78 and Sasha. We have already read here about how bad and flawed Russia is, and so on, and so on. Ride one another, and we will honor and laugh, over who of you is cooler than Russia's "villainous" ass kicked :))))) All these screamers-heroes got bored ... Although, again, it is always nice to smile at such: ))))

[Sasha]

probably in literature you had a deuce)).

[MichaelVl]

Sasha
where does such a conclusion about literature come from? )

[almost demobil]

And Sashok studies Heine all his free time, probably taught the saying for a week. And he didn’t even realize that it worked just against him , with his Jewish grandfather

[slan]

T-72 is a breakthrough tool, IMHO is very effective for mass use. Merkava is a cross between a hyper-armored armored personnel carrier and a conditionally movable checkpoint. In the context of a full-scale war with a worthy adversary, the surviving crews of Merkav will become prisoners of war, and they will stay in this status very briefly, judging by the attitude of burry degenerates to themselves.

[His]

They are used to flying with the natives on their Merkavs

[datur]

slan, and the young man perfectly attached these payson-bearers !!!!!

[figwam]

When creating their tank, the developers relied on the experience of Soviet designers.
So not only did the RUSSIANS save their lives, but they also took our work.

Automatic Galil, does not remind you of anything?

[Sasha]

The Galil assault rifle not only reminds, but no one hides this, that it was developed on the basis of Kalash.

[mitrich]

TsUN, TsU78, how else are you,
1) Israel has the best army in the Middle East, I declare this as a specialist, and not out of a desire to make friends with you. To deny this fact, at least, is stupid. Love or dislike for the Jews does not matter here;
2) Israel has a rich military history. I know the course of hostilities and the results of the Arab-Israeli wars better than you (I am sure of this), thus the country has proved its right to exist by force of arms;
3) The 2006 war did not lead to the achievement of the declared goals by Israel, and taking into account the losses suffered by the Jewish state, it can be considered lost. In I-net there are data on losses up to the name of every Israeli soldier. It's easy to find them, if you want, I'll tell you where to look;
4) you can run into Arabs as much as you like, but how Soviet military specialists fought both during the Yom Kippur War of 1973 and during the first Lebanese war of 1982, and who drove whom, Russians or Jews, it’s not for you to sell me. Here I would tell you a lot of interesting things, but there is no space in the comments.
It is necessary, dear, to rely on knowledge and facts, and not talk in vain. Especially insulting without good reason.

[Sasha]

I agree to all 100%
according to clause 3, there is no war without losses ..... unfortunately ...

as one good man said ..... I prefer that you try not to die for your homeland in the war, but help your enemies die for their homeland.

[mitrich]

SASHA,
Hello! You are right, this is a typo. Of course, I meant the combat defeats of tanks officially recognized by Israel. I will not rummage through the I-net, but the order of numbers is approximately as follows (according to the IDF):
- about 50 vehicles were hit, of which up to 10 Mk4;
-recognized as lost (with the death of the crew) 5 or 6, including 1 Mk4;
-recognized as lost (without the death of the crew) 3-4 cars.
I can't answer for literal accuracy, but something like this.
Arab statistics can be disregarded, there is only pathos, but we can agree with the defeat of 70-100 cars as a true figure. After all, even their American friends took the IDF's statistics into question, given the loss rate: 120 Israelis against 600 Arabs (this is all official). Here you can talk a lot about this, there is a lot of evidence that Tel Aviv was deceiving, but even relying on the officialdom, we can say that the "Cornet" is a strong weapon even in inept Palestinian hands. I believe that in many respects such losses of the Israelis served as the basis for the fact that the war both began in the foreground and ended there, the Jews did not go deep into Lebanon, they confined themselves to bombing and scattered mines everywhere.
What else? About Israel's assistance to Georgia? 40 UAVs, 15 MLRS LAR-160, 7000 TAR21 assault rifles were supplied, avionics were installed on Su-25KM attack aircraft, up to 1000 Israeli military specialists worked in Georgia (for example, Major General of the IDF Israel Ziv and Brigadier General Gal Girsh), then their own stuffing our T-72s have stuck what exactly, the tankers will tell you better. Yes, they helped a lot, probably, and "Clean Field" developed too. Here are just no luck with the charges. I had to skip, but can you catch up with a Georgian ?!

[Sasha]

I honestly didn’t know .... if the supply data is true, then it’s not good (I put it mildly). I was only aware of the supply of reconnaissance UAVs and body armor. dig.........

[cVM]

40 UAVs? links can throw something old, Israel has not sold so many UAVs in its history, even in Turkey it has sold no more than 20 units

[Leshy]

I think that the weight of this machine is an obstacle to its export.
They wrote on Army Guide that the active protection system installed on this machine prevented an ATGM from getting into it in May. But I think this is a temporary success. Surely manufacturers of anti-tank weapons will find a solution to this problem. And then this system and the German active defense system undergoing military tests in the Bundeswehr will become useless.

[efear]

As for me, it's all a cookie that Merkava, that Abrams, that Leo. Not a single machine participated in a truly serious collision when they were opposed by a well-trained, prepared for defense and armed to the teeth enemy. This is for those who are talking about our tanks in Chechnya, ours, with a few hits, themselves got out of the battle, and your whole spin after the first hit can not do anything. In general, this is my opinion, all these foreign tanks are garbage, a set of show-offs and a show off.

[datur]

efear, not for the war with the natives, that’s it. because they prefer to do business with them.

[efear]

I really believe that we will not become the same natives.

[datur]

efear, still haven’t. GOD willing and we’ll break through further !!!

[provodnikbdsm]

The article clearly states-
In Israel, they initially expected to use the tank only on their compact territory. The Merkava is not intended for operations in the conditions of winter cold, off-road in the middle lane, tropical humidity, and swamps. Its element is gently sloping mountains, dry desert and subtropics, the Israelis prefer to conduct defensive operations from positions located on the slopes of heights.
Hence the following, it can only be considered a good tank in Israel and only against the Palestinians. And comparing it with the T-80 and T-90 is like comparing green with a square one.

[almost demobil]

Absolutely to the point. If the Jews didn’t have to ride monsters to neighbors to intimidate, then they would simply surround Israel around the perimeter with a continuous strip of pillboxes with a wall thickness of 6-7 m. And so the tank is purely for defense and to save the lives of the crew There are not enough fighters, you need to take care of them.

[tsu78]

My grandfather near Smalensk died at 41. Jews also fought inappropriately to say who rescued whom, fought the entire Soviet Union, and when they put nationality in a tank, they didn’t ask

[PSih2097]

near Smolensk - this is 1e
Israel organized a temporary detention center - this is the 2nd

[tsu78]

mitrich - you compared Georgia and Russia in terms of population in terms of territory and it couldn’t be that it was worth defeating the warriors of such Georgians if Russia defeated, say, Poland, Turkey in a couple of days would be something to be proud of

[mitrich]

TSU78,
The forces of the Russian military group, introduced into the territory of South Ossetia, were approximately equal to the armed forces of Georgia, introduced into the territory of the republic. +- values ​​do not play. In addition, Tskhinval was surrounded by Georgian villages, where it was convenient to create defense centers.
In the end what? Complete DESTRUCTION, flight. And it's also good that the Russian president diplomatically called it "forcing Georgia to peace." It could have been called differently.
And what if we go that route? Is Israel bigger than Georgia? And he does not take offense. Here the other day I saw the film "Munich" and was very impressed. We would like to kill Umarov and his accomplices.
And I have nothing against the Jews. Benjamin Netanyahu is a Jew for me, and Elena Bonner is a witch, a filthy Jew. Do you understand the difference?

[mike]

Hezbollah fighters fired more than 2006 ATGMs during a month of fighting in southern Lebanon in 1000.
A total of 52 tanks were damaged. In 24 cases, the armor was pierced. In 3 of these cases, the ammunition detonated. Not a single tank caught fire. Five tanks were recognized as unrepairable: two blown up by land mines and three hit by ATGMs (one Merkava-2, Merkava-3 and Merkava-4 each).
Of the 208 crew members of the destroyed tanks, 23 people were killed.
In total, up to 400 Merkava tanks of various models were involved in the conflict.

[Professor]

1. The Merkava has never been offered for export. One Mk1 was sold to the museum. There is a photo of him at the Frankfurt airport and from demonstration performances in the Czech Republic.
2. The main emphasis in the layout of this tank is the protection of the crew. And in this he has no equal.
3. As for the losses in Lebanon - in Israel it is impossible to hide the death of even one soldier. And if the losses corresponded to the Arab statements, then there would be much more victims.
4. Now about the "defeat" of Israel in that war. Most of the goals set were achieved, the conclusions were drawn, for 5 years now it has been quiet and calm on the Lebanese border - so what kind of defeat is this?

[mitrich]

Gentlemen, the Jews are ready to refute even the statistics and conclusions of their own General Staff. Well, well, patriotic!

[Professor]

The gentleman is not a Jew, so as not to be unfounded, will it not be difficult for you to provide a link to the conclusions of the General Staff you mentioned?

[mitrich]

Mr. PROFESSOR,
I hope that your nickname reflects the content of the subject sitting at the computer.
So, Israel might not mind selling its tanks, including the Mk4, to other countries, but the trouble is, they don't! The article correctly noted that its weight and maneuverability allow the use of the machine in a theater of operations, characteristic of those wars waged by Israel - deserts and semi-deserts, sandstone. Its use in mountainous and wooded areas is ineffective, which was proved by the second Lebanese war. In addition, for example, for example, unknowingly or deliberately, you forgot to mention the failed deal with the sale of 200 Merkavs to Georgia, and after all there was everything on the ointment, and only an open protest by the Russian government demanding compliance with the UN resolution banning the sale of offensive weapons to Georgia this deal.
Further, the number of defeats of this tank through the passage of a cumulative jet through the side speaks in favor of the fact that the vaunted tank is not as effective as it might seem at first glance.
Third, Israel is no better or worse than any other state that tends to exaggerate its victories and downplay its defeats. Apparently, you are inspired by the example of Gelat Shalit, the sensitivity and concern for which the Israeli government is constantly demonstrating.
The fact of failure to achieve the stated goals was indicated at a special press conference of the leadership of the General Staff of the IDF. If I am not mistaken, Prime Minister Olmert has flown from his post for this very reason. I’ll also add on my own that you are very lucky with your opponents. Military specialists working in the Arab countries have always noted the poor military and technical training of the military units of these countries and the weak fighting spirit.

[Professor]

Merkava has never been put up for sale, these are tales about Georgia (otherwise, give a source of information). Last year and this year, it was exhibited at an exhibition in Europe, but purely to demonstrate the capabilities of the Israeli military-industrial complex.
"Israel - deserts and semi-deserts, sandstone. Its use in mountainous and wooded areas is ineffective" - ​​are you kidding? The Golan Heights, and most of the Negev is hilly (up to 2500 m above sea level) rocky rocky terrain. The sand is mostly around Gaza.
"only an open protest by the Russian government demanding compliance with the UN resolution banning the sale of offensive weapons to Georgia disrupted this deal" - and who adopted such a resolution? Can you tell me her number?
"Further, the number of defeats of this tank through the passage of a cumulative jet through the side speaks in favor of the fact that the vaunted tank is not as effective as it might seem at first glance." - and of course you have statistics on the penetrated side of the Merkava by the cumulative jet? I’m sure not. I have by date and by name. Moreover, show me a Merkava with a torn off tower when the side is pierced by a cumulative jet.
"If I'm not mistaken, this is why Prime Minister Olmert left his post." - you're wrong. There were elections and his party flew by (this happens in some countries...). On July 17, 2006, Olmert, whom you mentioned, announced the aims of the war. They were:
Return captured soldiers
Introduce international observers to southern Lebanon
Pull Hezbollah away from Israel's borders
As you can see, the goals were largely achieved.
"I'll add on my own that you were very lucky with your opponents. Military experts who worked in the Arab countries have always noted the poor military and technical training of the l / s armies of these countries and the weak morale." - again words, words.
1. Where are the links of specialists in 2006?
2. Hezbollah was armed to the teeth, including the Cornets, operated on its territory under the leadership and unlimited funding of Iran.
"Apparently, you are inspired by the example of Gelat Shalit, the sensitivity and concern for which the Israeli government continuously demonstrates" - what does Shalit have to do with it? He was taken prisoner by digging a tunnel under the fence when the tank was idle, and the crew was resting outside the tank.

[Redfox71]

Wow! Did they find kimberlite pipes in Georgia?! Already 200 Merkav wanted to buy! (and why not two thousand at once?) Or in installments for 50 years?!...

[Professor]

Here is the list all Security Council resolutions on Georgia:
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/544/25/PDF/N0854425.pdf?OpenEleme
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http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/306/29/PDF/N0830629.pdf?OpenEleme
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http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N09/238/26/PDF/N0923826.pdf?OpenEleme
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And it must be the same there is no "UN resolution on the ban on the sale of offensive weapons to Georgia." Your memory is failing you though.

[Professor]

Strange, a comment came by mail, but it does not appear on the forum ...

Posted by: mitrich
Date added: July 10, 2011 13:29
Link to the news: http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=5472

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PROFESSOR,
about memory - I had in mind the press conference, the link to which you asked to make.
As for tanks, I quote:
"Georgia and Israel were close to concluding an agreement on the purchase of 200 Merkava tanks, but it was not signed as a result of the fact that Israel, at the request of Russia, refused to export offensive weapons to Georgia."
Source: "The defeat of the Georgian invaders near Tskhinvali" (Moscow, "Yauza", "Eksmo", 2009, p. 48), hard copy. As for the UN resolution, maybe he got excited.
Enough to pick me up ... be. I participated in the above war, for your information. I know better than you..

Dealt with the resolutions. Now with 200 tanks for Georgia. Here is a quote:
"It was also reported that Georgia and Israel were close to concluding an agreement on the purchase of 200 Merkava tanks, but it was not signed as a result of the fact that Israel, at the request of Russia, refused to export
offensive weapons to Georgia. Israeli military instructors trained Georgian motorized infantry units, including Major General Israel Ziv and Brigadier General Gal Gir"
Firstly, even the source does not say where it was "reported" and whether it is possible to believe the source. Maybe it was the site kavkaz.org?
Secondly, nowhere did I find "Russia's open protest" about the sale of 200 Merkava tanks to Georgia. Was it, like the failed sale?
Thirdly, there is information about individual advisers, in particular, the gentlemen cited here, but nowhere is there information "up to 1000 Israeli military specialists in Georgia" mentioned by you.
Well, God bless her with Georgia, not an article and discussion about her, but about the Merkava tank.
Now about the press conference with "statistics and conclusions of our own General Staff." Don't bother looking, you'll never find a link to a press conference that doesn't exist. Alas, here, too, you were, to put it mildly, inaccurate, however, like most assessments of the tank.

[mitrich]

Mr. PROFESSOR,
Memory. Own and never yet deceiving memory. And I don’t see the need to rummage through the Internet or other sources.
By the way, you were offended in vain. I have a normal attitude towards Jews, if you deigned to read me, I don’t like Jews. For me, these are different concepts.

[Professor]

1. I was not offended at all. For what?
Your attitude towards the Jews is your own business. Here is the analysis of a specific tank and nothing more. If you have interesting information (precisely information, not allegations), then I will be very glad to pick it up. This is called a civilized forum discussion.
2. Here you cite a lot of all sorts of fables, but "I don't see the need to rummage through the Internet or other sources." So it can be argued, for example, that aliens fought on the side of Israel or that the Tsakhal soldiers had 3 hands. Why not? There is no need to provide evidence.

[Professor]

"Apparently, you are inspired by the example of Gelat Shalit, the sensitivity and concern for which the Israeli government continuously demonstrates" - what does Shalit have to do with it? He was taken prisoner by digging a tunnel under the fence when the tank was idle, and the crew was resting outside the tank.

[mitrich]

Mr. PROFESSOR,
if inspiration comes to me tomorrow, I will try to prove you wrong with the required references. If you don't find it, don't blame me and stay with your opinion.
I must tell you that the opinion is formed not only from I-no and newspaper sources, to which you demand to refer

[Professor]

Good luck in your search and may the inspiration never leave you. I'm looking forward to it.
Concerning formation of opinion not on the basis of the information. It's like not loving the way Chaliapin sings without ever hearing him sing...

[Professor]

"So far, I can only report that aliens did NOT fight on the side of the IDF and that Israeli soldiers have 2 (two) hands."
Thank God this is sorted out, now let's get down to the statements from 17:51.

[mitrich]

PROFESSOR,
about memory - I had in mind the press conference, the link to which you asked to make.
As for tanks, I quote:
"Georgia and Israel were close to concluding an agreement on the purchase of 200 Merkava tanks, but it was not signed as a result of the fact that Israel, at the request of Russia, refused to export offensive weapons to Georgia."
Source: "The defeat of the Georgian invaders near Tskhinvali" (Moscow, "Yauza", "Eksmo", 2009, p. 48), hard copy. As for the UN resolution, maybe he got excited.
Enough to pick me up ... be. I participated in the above war, for your information. I know better than you..

[mitrich]

With the exception of a couple of words, I expected just such a reaction. I see no point in continuing the discussion.

[Professor]

Well, well, this is also a tactic, to be caught in an outright lie and stand in a pose. Usually they get personal, but you're kind of offended.
Discussion (from lat. ... - consideration, research) - discussion of any controversial issue, problem; dispute. An important characteristic of the discussion, which distinguishes it from other types of dispute, is argumentation.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1

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It’s just that you don’t have any arguments at all, so that, by definition, there was no discussion, but as you wanted.

[CARTRIDGE]

MERKAVA has many disadvantages, but the main one that many consider it a BIG plus is crew protection, so for me this is a fundamentally erroneous opinion. The best crew protection is the lack of a crew! And as we see, Soviet designers managed to implement this better

[Professor]

If you mean 3 tankers instead of XNUMX, then this is not a solution to the defense problem.
However, a tank as a drone (the complete absence of a crew) is not such a distant future. The army already has automatic patrol vehicles and remote-controlled D-9 bulldozers.

[SCORPIO]

A man wrote about a specific tank, and here, who learned what from whom ?? Although it’s possible to argue for a very long time who created and invented something for anyone and everyone knows whose heads worked during the councils and now too. Spread your brains. And in general, why are you not grateful rejoicing at the successes (successes of which, in principle, are absent) of the Arabs? Do not forget to rejoice at the success of the Arabs in Chechnya, although the Jews are not happy with them. Fools!

[slan]

Who is happy here? What are obsessions?

[tsu78]

mitrich - you say that Israel lost this war, that you offer this war, it is impossible to win Israel for almost 20 years, it was sitting there, that is, it is necessary to occupy Lebanon again and sit, and the losses are not great, war does not happen without losses

[His]

In Russia, Israel is of little interest

[Professor]

Why are there always so many comments in the news related to Israel?

[slan]

Half of the comments here are yours and, apparently, you consider yourself obliged to leave the last word) Mitrich was sick of demands to justify something, to answer for something. But the person just wrote initially that they say a powerful and beautiful machine, but vulnerable to modern anti-tank systems, and then squeals began as if he doubted the Holocaust itself ..

[Professor]

You flatter me ...
In other threads and in other forums, too, am I 'half'?
And I didn’t zadalbal Mitrich, but only caught him in an outright lie so as not to mislead the gullible members of the forum.

"But the man just wrote initially that they say a powerful and beautiful machine, but vulnerable to modern anti-tank systems, and then squeals began as if he doubted the Holocaust itself .."

Not certainly in that way. No one claims that the tank is not pierced. IHMO against Cornet there is no armor today, but he dragged in here not existing press conferences, UN resolutions, Russian open protests and the list goes on.
If you wish, then let the last word be yours.

[mitrich]

Mr. PROFESSOR (although, in my opinion, you are clearly not up to a graduate student; I believe that daily sitting in front of the monitor and victorious games in the simulator on Merkavs inspired you to call yourself a "professor")!
After scanning your weekly comments since my absence, it occurred to me that you, dear, are a YID, and not a JEW. Constantly praising the advantages of Israeli military thought will not lead to anything good either for this state or for you personally if you are a resident of this country (as I understand it, from our former ones).
I don't know who you are, but I see that it doesn't cost you anything to accuse a person of unprofessionalism and even lies if he did not give you confirmation from the Internet. I have already written to you that for your sake I will not rummage through beech, papers and books if I don't want to.
Once again I tell you that you, the Jews, are very lucky with your opponents - Palestinians, Arabs, etc. I can also add that Iran (Persians), and even more so Russian warriors, are much higher than Jewish ones in their fighting spirit, which is the main thing, therefore they give you such STARS that your mother will forget to grieve. Without amers friends, you are nothing at all.
Yes, your tank is SHIT, Mr. PROFESSOR! No respect, Mitrich.

[Professor]

Bravo, in my diagnosis to you, young man, I was right: July 10, 2011 17:39 Usually they get personal ...
Even my nickname was not left without attention;)
It happened.

A lie is a statement that obviously (or not obviously) does not correspond to the truth and is expressed in this form consciously (or unconsciously). In everyday life, a lie is the intentional transmission of factual and emotional information (verbally or non-verbally) with the aim of creating or maintaining in another person a belief that the transmitter himself considers contrary to the truth.

So, as long as you can provide information to support your claims, they can be considered lies by definition. Otherwise, it was necessary to write "IHMO". So you're a liar, young man.

[Denis]

Israel initially expected to use the tank only on its compact territory.
I wonder if the one who brainwashed me with "Israeli militarism and aggression" was soaring heavily?

The designers, in fact, proceeded from the concept that the tank is the home for the crew during the war. In particular, a very controversial concept of round-the-clock use of the tank was proposed, for which it was supposed to place 2 crews in it - one is fighting, the other is resting.
and here they even bypassed the Germans, with their very comfortable cars

The fighting compartment of the tank can be used to transport military personnel and their property, and also allows you to evacuate the wounded from the battlefield
well done, they are known for the fact that they never abandoned their own

Quote: slan

for Israel, this is certainly an ideal tank.

so the machine, for which it was made, is in its place