Americans are afraid of Russian "Bulava"




The other day all the Russian media with triumph and the world with some apprehension flew around news: in the White Sea, the strategic submarine cruiser Yury Dolgoruky, commanded by Captain 1-rank V. Shirin, launched the Bulava ballistic missile. The Russian Ministry of Defense officially announced that the launch of the rocket on all monitored parameters was successful. The warheads were delivered by a Bulava ballistic missile at a given time to a specified area in the Kamchatka Territory, the Kura test site. The crew of the submarine during the test launch showed high combat skills and professionalism.

The current test launch of the rocket was 15. Previously, it was planned for 17 December 2010, but then it was postponed due to the unavailability of the submarine. According to the official version, the reason was the difficult ice situation in the White Sea. Tests conducted on Tuesday, were held in the same area.

Of the previous 14 “Bulava” test launches, seven are considered successful or partly successful, the rest are emergency for various reasons, which the Defense Ministry prefer not to talk about. The preliminary test launch of the Bulava missile was carried out on October 29 2010 from the onboard of the strategic nuclear submarine cruiser Dmitry Donskoy, previously converted to launch a new missile.

According to Viktor Litovkin, editor-in-chief of the Independent Military Review, after the current triumph, there is a belief that, until the end of this year, both the Bulava missile and the nuclear submarine with such a high profile historical the title - "Yuri Dolgoruky" - will be introduced into the Naval Fleet Russia.



“You need to understand that the rocket is not one involved in the launch, there is also a launcher located on a submarine, and then the whole system of guidance, flight control, launch and other - all this is installed on the boat,” notes Viktor Litovkin. - Actually, if to speak figuratively, the submarine cruiser "Yuri Dolgoruky" seemed to have gotten married on the Bulava tactical missile. That is, this launch is really their wedding march of Mendelssohn and nothing else. The rocket and the boat have all the prerequisites that until the end of 2011, they will be introduced into a single weapon system. But before that, 5-6 launches of the Bulava rocket from this boat will be conducted, one of which should be made in one gulp. That is, not one launched missile, but not less than two or three, which should almost simultaneously start from the board of a submarine. ”

At the same time, in the Ministry of Defense of Russia, they prefer to keep silent about their nearest plans. The reason for this secrecy remains a mystery, and many are wondering if the 15 th launch of the Bulava was so successful?



In connection with the test launch of the Bulava rocket, the US military was somewhat nervous. In response to the Russian sailors' testing of a completely new ballistic missile, which, by the way, some experts called - “a rocket that cannot fly”, the US military announced the beginning of a new missile defense system test, which would be able to intercept the Bulava.

The problem with the Americans is that if Russia has proven that its rocket can still fly, their interception complex cannot please its government with such successes. In the US, this is not the comic scandal that is starting to flare up. The fact that the multibillion-dollar project, as it turned out in practice, is not a worker, became known literally the other day, and the senators of the upper chamber speak rather sharply about the misappropriation of budget funds.

But that's not all. Overseas senators, who had hitherto remained in unshakable confidence that in a few years the United States would receive a truly invulnerable "nuclear roof", were to experience an even more significant shock when they first learned that the existing sea-based anti-missiles did not have the ability to shoot down outdated ballistic missiles possible enemy classes. Or rather, as it turned out, praised by high officials from the Pentagon, the anti-missiles SM-3 cannot perform their task in the early stages of flight.

After the end of the evening hearings in the upper house of the United States Senate, Senator Richard Shelby was the most outraged: "Throughout this time, we were forced on a defense system that does not work." His associates also expressed their negative opinion about the work of military experts in the field of missile protection.

It is obvious that the successful launch of the Russian Bulava and the fact that the missile defense was inoperable put the Americans in an awkward position. They spent billions of dollars on the creation of an anti-nuclear umbrella, refused to install an anti-missile defense system in the UK, and as a result, they lose to Russia in all respects in the eternal leadership dispute in the world. For us, of course, this is like a balm, and for the Americans it’s like salt on a fresh wound.
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  1. mitrich
    mitrich 30 June 2011 10: 05 New
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    It becomes clear why, in general, the usual, planned launch of this wonderful MKP “Bulava” was so “publicized” in the Russian media. After all, the rocket itself has not yet been accepted into service, and the potential enemy has already begun such anxiety.
    Most likely, this successful launch without any quotes is one of the steps of the Russian leadership, pushing the Americans, in particular, and NATO as a whole to reach a compromise on the deployment of American missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, which they categorically disagree with at present. This, of course, is a violation of the GSP (military-strategic parity) between the United States and Russia, although it is far from fatal for our country. We will have to take 2 divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces to other areas of deployment, which is not good for the country's budget. Well, the prestige of the state, of course, matters.
    Let the amers get nervous, maybe they will back down, because they only recognize strength and recognize it as arguments. And if they go to additional allocations to missile defense systems, which are already furious, then we are even better. After all, it is cheaper and faster to create attack tools based on old ones than to create all new defense systems. And the state of the world economy is not contributing to thoughtless spending. That's what I think.
  2. The Soviet
    The Soviet 30 June 2011 10: 19 New
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    .. you think well ..)))
  3. Cedric
    Cedric 30 June 2011 10: 27 New
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    To be afraid of the Mace, the boat itself must be invulnerable, and I strongly doubt that it will be given the opportunity to launch all missiles in one gulp. So the Americans are unlikely to be afraid of it, they’ll just spend more resources on surveillance, and given that We are armed with a copy of the torpedo Mark 3 antediluvian, then we can’t talk about the integrity of the missile system.
    1. karbofos 21 November 2011 12: 39 New
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      what prevents her from making a full salvo from the dock?
  4. Stavr
    Stavr 30 June 2011 10: 51 New
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    The senior sailor mitrich expertly described the benefits Russia received of including new strategic missiles. Only now, as if Mr. Putin did not have to repeat his phrase "she drowned" after a salvo of these missiles from the submarine "Yuri Dolgoruky." Tests show that the Mace is a raw product. How in the future this "dampness" will affect the final acceptance - time will tell. In past years, at least alternative options were developed and the best of them was chosen. Now there’s nothing to choose from: even if it doesn’t fly, they will nevertheless be forced to sail towards the enemy coast. This is the motto of our Navy today: "not by washing, so by skating."
    1. DAGESTAN333 30 June 2011 11: 30 New
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      Stavr, since you are such a realist, why don’t you highlight the positive aspects of the Mace, or is it not interesting?
  5. mitrich
    mitrich 30 June 2011 11: 04 New
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    Stavr
    I nevertheless naively hoped that after my answer to you on the death of General Achalov, you would begin, if not thinking adequately, then at least adequately responding. If you are not satisfied with such our correspondence, let's just stop noticing each other.
    1. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 30 June 2011 17: 43 New
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      according to Achalov, too little accurate information is nothing to discuss
  6. frame5 30 June 2011 11: 14 New
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    And then! All Americans are sitting under the table and can’t eat, they are so afraid of maces.
    1. DAGESTAN333 30 June 2011 11: 42 New
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      Agree frame5, sit at the table, and eat normally, but the eyelid of the eye then twitches Malenko ...
  7. Superduck
    Superduck 30 June 2011 11: 21 New
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    In order for carrier boats to ensure guaranteed launch of maces even with one of them before they are sunk by American and English hunters, they need at least a dozen (boats). This Russia is afraid not to pull the dough. Considering the almost unlimited possibilities of the Americans in recruiting naval personnel and civilians, I think that practically none of the boats will have the opportunity to go out under the ice without a tail.
    To be honest, I am an amateur in the field of submarines with ICBMs, but it seems to me that it was not worth it to engage in garbage and leave Sineva in service with all her shortcomings, at least there are at least some boats for her. just understand, given the fucking situation with financing, personnel and quality in the Russian military-industrial complex, I do not really believe that it is capable of producing the right number of boats and missiles with acceptable quality.
    It is worthwhile to understand that this racket with pens on the cogs was assembled 5 times and disassembled again, everything was checked, this is not a serial product, because they all knew how the career of their predecessors ended, so of course they tried very hard. I know something about quality systems; the ability to produce a single copy does not guarantee the possibility of mass production in the right quality.
    1. Stealth
      Stealth 5 January 2012 20: 10 New
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      Quote: SuperDuck
      In order for carrier boats to ensure guaranteed launch of maces even with one of them before they are sunk by American and English hunters, they need at least a dozen (boats)

      1. Nothing prevents SSBNs from releasing ICBMs without departing from the walls.
      2. Russia has significantly more than 10 SSBNs
      3. There are many ways to ensure survivability SSBNs:
      -cover with multi-purpose boats
      anti-submarine aviation
      - anti-submarine helicopters from those same Mistrals around which there was so much stink.
      Quote: SuperDuck
      it was not necessary to engage in garbage and leave in service with Sinev

      Sineva will be replaced by a more modern "Liner"
  8. mitrich
    mitrich 30 June 2011 11: 36 New
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    More for STAVRa,
    Excuse me, dear, but your comments do not contain either a DEEP knowledge of the subject or a superficial study of them. One continuous rally of "dissent". One empty chatter. More than anything, he has never loved empty-headed nonsense all his life. On this site there are users who write what I do not agree with, but at least they justify what they write about. And you? Continue to write what you see fit, it's up to you.
    If you consider it necessary for yourself to answer, write how old you are. At least I will know which generation you belong to.
    1. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 30 June 2011 17: 49 New
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      let people let off steam
  9. Rico1977
    Rico1977 30 June 2011 13: 10 New
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    And I am satisfied. We can again, since they are afraid - and fear, we have already written articles. And about them - the same as he did with us - an unnecessary project for crazy money. As I understand it - ideally, it should hit up to 80% of missiles and warheads (!). The state was actually destroyed by even 20 percent remaining (and if we take into account the “do”, then the kirdyk will be accurate). And the Americans knew it, but continued, maybe they hoped for a technological breakthrough, but for me - this is fundamentally not the right principle - to knock a stone with a stone ... here, probably, a different path is needed. But their crisis didn’t notice their military industrial complex, and the arms giants made record profits - for this, everything was done. As said, in my opinion, Eisenhower "Fear VPK" well or something like that
  10. orth
    orth 30 June 2011 13: 16 New
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    The main thing is that the amers do not for a moment doubt the inevitability of a thermonuclear strike of retaliation. Only this can cool their excessive aggressiveness. Impunity corrupts.
    1. His
      His 30 June 2011 13: 23 New
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      Their mass propaganda hammered the local population that this cannot be in principle
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 30 June 2011 13: 33 New
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        That's why it is propaganda :-) The work is ...
    2. Michael
      Michael 30 June 2011 20: 56 New
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      Are you personally sure that the first person of the Russian state will give an order about pressing a button? A donkey loaded with iPhones for the so-called elite will solve all American problems in a foreign country much faster and better. (approx. - humpback-tagged, always drunk, a fan of de-Stalinization)
  11. orth
    orth 30 June 2011 13: 31 New
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    The population - well, let their leaders know it. It is necessary that they regularly observe the arrival of war blocks in a given area.
    1. His
      His 30 June 2011 14: 04 New
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      The leaders will hide where necessary, and the people will burn
  12. Stavr
    Stavr 30 June 2011 13: 38 New
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    Corporal mitrichy: "How old am I, how old am I? As much as winters!"
    mitrich, you are more like a representative of the EDRisni party: the same opinions and the same cheerful comments about the great future. And I'm a pragmatist. As for the Mace, it will fly and how! I just know.
  13. mitrich
    mitrich 30 June 2011 13: 58 New
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    VadimIS,
    I ask YOU for the next favor. Either remove the "corporal" tag from me, or hang it with STAVR. In my opinion, this circumstance annoys him greatly. Make a decision. I can wait for Junior Sergeant.
    1. Smirnov Vadim 30 June 2011 15: 15 New
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      The rating and title system is in test mode and is assigned automatically; we are not able to manually influence the rating. Rating depends on the comments from the vote for them.
  14. Stavr
    Stavr 30 June 2011 14: 15 New
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    Ok, mitrich, don't be offended. I apologize if I hit something. I already understood who you are and why you often visit the site. I’ll try not to disturb you anymore.
  15. mitrich
    mitrich 30 June 2011 14: 20 New
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    Hush up, buddy STAVR.
  16. provodnikbdsm
    provodnikbdsm 30 June 2011 14: 40 New
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    The news of the launch of the mace from a standard carrier was very pleasing. Yes, and plans for the salvo are also pleasing. If I’m not mistaken, then no one has done such a thing except Russia. In 1991, exactly before the coup, the second corps of the BDRM staged a hippo. All 16 missiles, and nothing, it’s normal, though for a couple of years the dock was under repair after that, but this is normal, after such a salvo the boat most likely becomes a target, but there are chances to go under the ice, and there look for how much it will fit.
    About the copy of mark3. The missile carrier, in principle, is not intended for the destruction of anyone by torpedoes, they are there for every fireman. The main weapon of the missile carrier is autonomy, secrecy, the ability to deploy ammunition in the right place at the right time.
    In order for American or British hunters to destroy at least one missile carrier, it must be found, and this, even with the fame of the patrol area thereof, is a very complicated thing. In 1992, the BDRM at the exercises in the Barents Sea (together with WOLF) ran into the destroyer URO Sheffield, who had just gone to sea after modernization. So what? The wolf disappeared instantly, and 667, despite 2 helicopters from Sheffield, and 2 more from Norway, also took off within 2 hours. .
    There is no need for panic, amers do not poke their way into the Arctic, Russia is hosting it.
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 30 June 2011 19: 56 New
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      Well, as far as I read, in the days of the USSR, they had a standard that every Soviet missile carrier should be on the fly of a hunter boat with a probability of 80%, they respectively had special boats for this (I don’t remember the class), with low noise, cool systems detection and great autonomy. I really don’t know how much they got these 80%, but this was the task and the actual concept of nuclear safety was calculated on this type of value. Those. in short, approximately 80% of our missile carriers must be destroyed before launch. Therefore, all bases (there are not many of them) were lined with Merikos sensors with other crap. The schedule for the boats to go on duty, although it was a strict military secret of the USSR, was easily predicted, everyone knew how many boats were on duty and how many boats were at each base. My uncle served in the Northern Fleet as a submariner - he recently talked about this. Each boat, immediately leaving the base, began dancing with a tambourine over there with turns, bedding, and so on, i.e. the conscientious doctrine proceeded from the fact that any boat that left the base was already being led. In general, the missile carrier is not a kayak, the shit is healthy and noisy, it’s not easy to hide it. But when it has already crawled out under the ice in the arctic ocean - everything, of course, becomes much more complicated, the depths are huge there, you cannot attach buoys to ice, and so on. Those. under the ice, if lost - then consider the kayuk.
      1. PSih2097 10 July 2011 22: 48 New
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        Well, as far as I read, in the days of the USSR they had a standard that every Soviet missile carrier should be on the fly of a hunter boat with a probability of 80%, they accordingly had special boats for this (I don’t remember the class),

        class hunter, she’s a multi-purpose submarine
  17. mitrich
    mitrich 30 June 2011 15: 16 New
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    PROVODNIKBDSM,
    I also think that finding an underwater target is much, if not impossible, more difficult than an air target. I am not a specialist in this field, but I am familiar with the laws of physics. In fact, do not guard the boats of the Navy of the warring states of our opposing submarines going on a military campaign in our own bays? And then: dive even under the ice, at least where. And try to find her.
    Do I understand correctly the main problem of the NATO Navy, PROVODNIKBDSM?
  18. provodnikbdsm
    provodnikbdsm 30 June 2011 17: 13 New
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    MITRICHU
    Exactly, you understand. Destroy is not a problem, it’s a problem to find. And when the commanders are completely crazy like ours, another problem arises, they do not fight according to the training manual. There are at least a lot of such examples, I won’t give them many in the network. But I’ll give one. In 1992, in the very north Atlantic, for 20 days of patrolling in the area of ​​active opposition of the NATO Navy, acoustics recorded about a thousand contacts, of which about 120 were classified as NATO navy ships, but for some reason no one found the submarine. In fairness, I must say that the nuclear submarine was crawling in silence mode at a depth of about 200m.
  19. sancho 30 June 2011 17: 49 New
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    Mitrich well and correctly substantiated in the primary text! Why is he +1! Personally, do not pay attention to your comments! Not a thankful job! You can have a snack with a schoolboy on a pot. And, on the topic there is such an idea. In principle, diplomats and scouts have such a thing as "multi-pass". Those. you take a step, stir up the enemy, let him know the direction of your subsequent blow. The enemy throws all the forces there, and with his head goes into solving this problem. And, WE, in fact, were not going to play sand there! And, slowly we developed a completely different weapon (rocket), etc. But, at the same time, of course, they put some effort into washing their eyes. Pindos tear and toss with their missile defense, break a bunch of dough in the development of missile defense, bury money in the construction of bases, turn on the printing press and devalue their currency. And, in the end, WE go out and say “guys”, but what are you doing here? We don’t play here! Our real weapon is here! And, we demonstrate ... well, maybe for example a military space hyperlaser! Pindos prietom in ah ... e! No money! Missile defense is ineffective! Base tries ... not needed! Currency denominated, rabid inflation, international debt! And, one can’t keep up with the opposition ... Something like this. So let the Mace be developed! In any case, this is no worse.
    1. His
      His 30 June 2011 20: 02 New
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      Unfortunately, they print money, how much is needed and give any dough. If their army budget averages $ 700 billion per year
      1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 July 2011 19: 17 New
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        There is a chance they won’t have time!
  20. sancho 30 June 2011 17: 52 New
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    In pursuit of the present. Pindos fly into space there is nothing and delivery vehicles hu ... well!
    1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 July 2011 19: 39 New
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      But the bases will enclose any space!
  21. Joker
    Joker 30 June 2011 17: 54 New
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    I absolutely agree on the undetectability of a submarine during underwater travel.

    Examples of the Kursk nuclear submarines are not correct since there was a betrayal.
  22. Sergey M.
    Sergey M. 30 June 2011 18: 01 New
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    Too lazy to look, only amers still climbed under the Arctic ice - you will find in the internet.
    And they claim to divide the Arctic - when there the ice melts year-round. Although to the Arctic - no sideways.
    Uncle Sam is a commander on the planet. The weaker we are, the more impudent.
  23. Victor 30 June 2011 18: 34 New
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    The successful launch of the Mace is not only a blow to the shaking American mentality of superiority, but, and I think this is the main thing, is one more step in restoring the healthy self-consciousness of our people, the people who have not forgotten how to believe, build, do for the good of the country. Skeptics can arbitrarily say that there is not enough money to build a powerful fleet, army, etc. I want to remind you that, even eight years ago, even one tank delivered to the troops was a joy. Now everything is going much faster, albeit with a fair amount of sloppiness. The project "Borey" and "Mace" are the "Ilyusha" that he sat on the stove, and then got up and like .......... l !!!!! This complex is the germ of the new strategic fleet of Russia. I believe. I always believed. Even when it was really bad. Now I see how, little by little, the Great Country rises from its knees and proudly raises its head. But the trouble is, not every commentator has enough vision to see it.
    1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 July 2011 19: 45 New
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      I agree, but let me correct a little: "..one step in restoring the healthy self-consciousness of our people, .." not only yours, people still remained in the postSSSR (in the sense, not everyone has died out under the onslaught of DerMokratov).

      and do not believe the Danes ... who are the leaders in your states !! (in the USA - FED, and you ???). here I’ll become mine ... So sho do not wishful thinking ... although it is really HOW YOU WANT to return to the Country!
  24. mitrich
    mitrich 30 June 2011 19: 19 New
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    Hit - not a little will seem to ANYONE! That's all arithmetic.
    And we will defeat everyone, if necessary - and in the forehead, and stripping, and subsequent stripping just in case.
    I can justify any war, from the point of view of our modern losses, except for the storming of Grozny on the night of December 31.12.1994, XNUMX. And still, I think that the boys died in vain, I never believe that in vain.
    We will have a joint Slavic army - the Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusian-Serbian - I believe in this, then not a single shit will come to war with us.
    1. His
      His 30 June 2011 19: 46 New
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      If the Slavs understood this. Nothing is stronger than the Slavic union.
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 30 June 2011 20: 14 New
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        The Slavs actually understand everything, you would choose an adequate president for yourself and everything will work out bully
        1. Victor 30 June 2011 20: 27 New
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          SuperDuc Adequate presidents are needed in all Slavic states, this is also our common problem.
          1. His
            His 30 June 2011 20: 28 New
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            The problem is that when you become president you will never cut back your powers in favor of another
        2. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 July 2011 19: 51 New
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          Pancake!!!! Pancake! Pancake!! What are you talking about???? What are the Slavs!?!? Ethnicity stripped and diluted beyond recognition! All the strategies that my grandfathers inherited, I can hardly find in tyrnet ???? What an "adequate president" !! We ourselves have lost our ACCURACY !!!!!!
      2. Victor 30 June 2011 20: 15 New
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        Russia is doomed to restore the Slavic community. nobody canceled the historical spiral of recurrence of events at a higher level. Another conversation is how fast this process will go. It is necessary to poke each other less on the site, such as who is cooler, Ukrainians or Muscovites. Less will be done on provocations of scumbags from intra-Slavic nationalists, and more to seek common ground. And Russia, the more powerful it becomes, the more attractive it becomes for ordinary people of the Slavic peoples. Therefore, the Anglo-Saxons are shaking. The conciliar soul of Russia is drawing more and more true Slavic souls into its orbit. And the Serbs, and Belarusians, and Ukrainians, and strangely enough, even partially Poles with Czechs began to turn around and remember that they were Slavs. We must again learn to build the Slavic world, including at the level of communication on the Internet. We will learn, others will learn. I believe.
        1. His
          His 30 June 2011 20: 22 New
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          After all, in fact, what a prosperous Ukraine was under the Soviets. It all gives merged
          1. Superduck
            Superduck 1 July 2011 12: 14 New
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            The merger does not guarantee anything at the moment. I’ll tell you as a resident of Ukraine that it’s just the idea that we’ll unite and everything will become well in Ukraine only for ancient pensioners and youngsters, imbued with the Russian idea, but not understanding its essence. Most citizens among those who positively assess this prospect and do not dismiss it by definition do not yet see this idea of ​​filling and essence. If the future president of Russia (and who else?) Will be able to formulate it at an understandable level, without hatred and chauvinistic rhetoric, calmly and with dignity, then there will probably be a chance.
            So far, most of the supporters of this idea are limited to empty theses such as: Break the pendos, Glory to Stalin, Death to the Czechs.
            Those. a destructive ideology is immediately laid down, while not weakly revanchist. We need a positive and creative ideology, only it can be sold to the masses.
            1. His
              His 1 July 2011 21: 37 New
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              Wait and see. See your default
            2. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 July 2011 20: 11 New
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              You (or You) land SuperDuck shos a lot of TV watching! Although it’s not allowed, I’ll say (I ask no offense) did you yourself understand what you wrote in this post ??? What kind of idea are you talking about if degradation has reached the limit: shit in your house !! The idea is education and raising! Raising and educating your personality !! Look at tyrnet Germany at the time of Hitler's rise to power: the trampled identity of the nation and, against this background, Hitler's proposal. So the people went after him .... And most likely they will go after anyone who will not give a damn and crap in the soul of the people !! I read the article in horror: http://zhurnal.lib.ru/w/wereshagin_o_n/vospitanije.shtml
              and in many ways I can choose "co-religionists" with respect to the axioms of the article.
              Read, you can understand me that before you ring about philosophy, you need to get up from your knees to get out of the waste bin, respect yourself, and there you will understand how and where to go. And without this, a talk is a bum about how he could live well ....
              1. Superduck
                Superduck 28 July 2011 21: 17 New
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                Hello fellow countryman. I do not have a TV :-)
                I read it.
                I will now speak absolutely seriously, who knows how to hear, he hears the rest; they don’t read the way, I warned in short.

                Do you know what fascism is? I'm talking about the true meaning of this word and not about what is written in the history textbook for the 5th grade. For example, what the heck is Yushchenko a fascist, that would be a compliment to this mess. So, fascism is an optimal system of social and political government for the interests of the state. So now the Russian idea has been replaced by the fascist one. Why you ask. I will answer on points: leaderism, intolerance towards representatives of other peoples and races, revanchism, intolerance towards the opposition, pedaling the idea of ​​an external threat, the idea of ​​returning the ancestral lands, well, and something else in detail, but a complete set.
                Is it good? I don’t know yet, this system ensures the optimal functioning of the state and the titular nation.
                So, what you gave to read is an instruction for the education of a fascist, but at the same time I educate my son on these principles.
                So what is the difference between the modern Russian idea and fascism? I ask myself a question and can’t always give myself an answer. The difference lies somewhere in the depths of the history of our ancestors, in what is already hidden behind the id_r-astic powder of the court chroniclers and servile historians who are afraid of their own pen. This is something that is no longer there, that sometimes pops up in our minds with misty images of wild hunting and uncontrolled leaps along the steppe. Although no, she is free! The one who returns this to the people will be the great Russian and not the next Duce filled with megalomania and inferiority complexes! But there are no such people and it’s not visible, it’s a pity ... And yet, the Russian Federation is not able to carry the Russian idea because it is not a country of Russians, but a country of hundreds of nations that cannot be united by an idea, except for oil tankers.
                He himself did not fully understand what he said, but said from a pure heart, do not hold evil who offended.
            3. bistrov. 24 January 2012 14: 40 New
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              In all likelihood, you use the results of “sociological” surveys of all Razumkov’s centers, Gorshenin’s institutes, which are funded by the US State Department and “shape” public opinion in certain interests. Is holding a referendum weak? Still, because then you have to fulfill the will of the people!
        2. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 July 2011 19: 53 New
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          ... I believe ....

          there is such a saying: Blessed is he who believes. Strong who knows. Here is the second part lost ......
    2. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 July 2011 19: 49 New
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      Read here: http://zhurnal.lib.ru/w/wereshagin_o_n/vospitanije.shtml

      Your (I believe that Mine) joint Slavic Army begins there, but until you have comprehended it yourself and DO NOT UNLOCK yourself for ACTION (see link) NO ARMY IS BORN FOR YOU !!!!!!!!!
      1. kenvas 5 June 2012 19: 46 New
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        + 100 I absolutely agree with the pack
  25. 916-th
    916-th 30 June 2011 20: 41 New
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    Slavic brothers, what about other former fraternal republics, such as Kazakhstan. After all, there the Slavic population is about 40%.

    These are the same Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians who got there not for their own sake, but in the interests of the Russian state. Who is in the Soviet Union, and who is earlier - the same city of Alma-Ata (Almaty) is known in history as Fort Verny.

    Or, as Vladimir says in one of his comments, why attach to ourselves again everything that we were so hard to reset in 1991?
  26. figwam 30 June 2011 20: 54 New
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    Well early to rejoice.
    That's when the boats really will be 8 pieces and the Bulava launches will be equal in reliability to the Topol, then we will laugh at the Pindovskaya missile defense.
  27. Victor 30 June 2011 22: 56 New
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    916-th, This is actually a serious problem. Therefore, adequate presidents are needed in all Slavic states in order to jointly protect the interests of the Slavs in an alien environment. Lord, how strong and rich Russia is needed so that we can calmly and with dignity accept our children from a foreign land!
  28. Marat
    Marat 1 July 2011 01: 39 New
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    I am grateful to 916 mu for remembering about Kazakhstan. Almost half of the population and most of the average command staff of the army are Slavs. In recent years, 44 Russians mistakenly returned to Kazakhstan. Most Kazakhs support unification with Belarus and Russia.
    There are no interethnic conflicts in the republic. I am not a Slav by blood, but a patriot of not only Kazakhstan, but also Russia and people like me most.
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    1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 July 2011 20: 13 New
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      I agree! Bush in Kiev - write in advance .. for a walk on beer ....
  30. Stavr
    Stavr 1 July 2011 07: 00 New
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    A good comment, Rico 1977, feels that you can really rely on such people, they won't let you down. So the Russian poet Nikolai Zinoviev writes:

    How rejoices abroad
    And howls of happiness howling,
    That we knelt.
    And we knelt
    Pray before the battle.
  31. MichaelVl
    MichaelVl 1 July 2011 08: 14 New
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    I have not seen more positive comments on this site! It’s so nice to read when people are positively charged :) It is very pleasing!
  32. Joker
    Joker 1 July 2011 09: 42 New
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    I agree with everyone.

    Glory to the Great United Russia !!!
  33. 916-th
    916-th 1 July 2011 10: 40 New
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    Marat, Victor, thanks for the support.

    This is a really important and relevant topic - the relations of the former Soviet republics, and now sovereign states, and the fate of former USSR citizens scattered in the post-Soviet space.

    It requires a separate discussion, and not in the margin of an article on the "Mace". If the respected community is interested in continuing this topic, I could, for the seed, express my opinion, in particular about Kazakhstan, in a separate block. There is something to talk about ... Approval?
  34. mitrich
    mitrich 1 July 2011 10: 45 New
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    916 th,
    if you decide to write, do not refuse courtesy, tell us how the Russians live there in conditions of independence. Do indigenous people offend? And then in my circles, opinions differ, and are not always pleasant for the Kazakh ear. Thanks in advance.
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      mitrich, I sent a letter to the mail - answer pliz.
  35. 916-th
    916-th 1 July 2011 11: 20 New
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    Accepted, Mitrich.
    1. MichaelVl
      MichaelVl 2 July 2011 00: 32 New
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      916 th,
      Will there be a separate article about Kazakhstan or will you write about it in the comments on the current topic about the "Mace"? Kazakhstan excites me, I was born there, I would be very glad to read it. In particular, Mitrich got to the point with his own question.
  36. Ivan Caesar
    Ivan Caesar 1 July 2011 23: 18 New
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    People need hope that the country will recover and become a great power like the USSR was ... The fact that the Bulava is finally flying and will soon be put into service is the first step towards creating Great Russia ...
  37. Svyatoslav
    Svyatoslav 2 July 2011 01: 30 New
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    God forbid, if the “Mace” is launched not on the exercises, but on a real purpose.
  38. 916-th
    916-th 3 July 2011 20: 02 New
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    MichaelVl,
    I want to write in the form of "opinion", there seems to be such an option here, and not as a comment on any article. I understand your request, I will try to satisfy. Just give me some time now in time trouble.
  39. Vova
    Vova 10 July 2011 05: 33 New
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    The first time I see unanimity in the comments. I talked about the Pan-Slavic idea with ordinary Poles. Everyone agreed, they say yes, the potential of such a Slavic state is huge, but the West will not allow unification, and the Slavs, like 1000 years ago, will be dogged between themselves for any reason and without. And personally, I think that the problem is also that WE, i.e. Russians do not recognize themselves as a NATION, and also a state-forming one.
  40. One of many
    One of many 10 July 2011 11: 14 New
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    "mace" blah blah blah ... how many years have this Soviet experience been experienced and everything is not going well ??? right ... to hell. it is unlikely that anything worthwhile will come of this.
    and “long-armed”, without the Fleet, is just a box. yeah ... I see comments about the fact that this box can put on the ears of the continents and all that ... get on. no one is afraid of us.
  41. Nikolay-
    Nikolay- 10 July 2011 20: 07 New
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    The meaning of this weapon is the same - "not to meddle." And they don’t bother! So it works. Everything else is lyrics.
  42. Pinocchio
    Pinocchio 18 July 2011 14: 24 New
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    The launch of the "Mace" is a kind of "kuz'kin mother" ... in Russia's foreign policy. The appearance of such a destructive force of weapons to protect our country is simply a mystical phenomenon ... after such a destructive tsunami that swept over the country. It only remains to competently, slowly doing their business and not letting themselves be bound by all sorts of obligations ....... type .... urgent disarmament or reduction of strategic weapons .... Enough ... it's time to protect our country from good allies ...... Cheers to Russian weapons !!!
  43. Sasha15
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    no ..mace ..- do not scare the Pindos, despite the fact that their unit is, so this is the usual dusting of brains with us, the Ministry of Propaganda
  44. Motherland
    Motherland 14 October 2011 10: 24 New
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    They have not an official order for ships with Bulova not to approach
  45. nemo778 22 December 2011 07: 06 New
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    Lord of the rings!!!!! YOU !!!!!! NOT !!!!!! WILL PASS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNDERSTAND THE END !!!! THEY ARE !!! EVEN DO NOT FUN !!!! FOR THEM PERHARBORL AND SEPTEMBER 11 !!!!! PIZDETSTSTSTSTSTS !!!!! FOR US THE FAR EAST !!!! AND PROTECTION AGAINST A POTENTIAL ENEMY IMPORTANT !!!!! K & T A Y !!!!!!! COMING BILLION POPULATED !!!! WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS !!!! THIS IS AN ENEMY !!!!! HINDERS HOW MUCH PLEASANT TO ARMS !!!! A CHINESE !!! WHERE!!! BRAINS !!!!!! am
  46. mind1954
    mind1954 9 March 2012 04: 11 New
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    You have euphoria from the fact that not everything is dead, but they just
    trump card in the game on the right to plunder and sell our country!