Americans are afraid of Russian "Bulava"

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The other day all the Russian media with triumph and the world with some apprehension flew around news: in the waters of the White Sea missile The strategic submarine cruiser Yuri Dolgoruky under the command of Captain 1st Rank V. Shirin launched the Bulava ballistic missile. The Russian Ministry of Defense officially announced that the missile launch was successful according to all monitored parameters. The warheads were delivered by the Bulava ballistic missile on time to the designated area in the Kamchatka Territory, Kura testing ground. The submarine crew demonstrated high combat training and professionalism during the test launch.

The current test launch of the rocket was 15. Previously, it was planned for 17 December 2010, but then it was postponed due to the unavailability of the submarine. According to the official version, the reason was the difficult ice situation in the White Sea. Tests conducted on Tuesday, were held in the same area.

Of the previous 14 test launches of the Bulava, seven are considered successful or partially successful, the rest are considered emergency launches for various reasons, which the Ministry of Defense prefers not to talk about. The preliminary test launch of the Bulava missile was conducted on October 29, 2010, from the board of the heavy nuclear-powered strategic missile submarine Dmitry Donskoy, which had been previously re-equipped to launch the new missile.

According to Viktor Litovkin, editor-in-chief of the Independent Military Review, after the current triumph, there is a belief that, until the end of this year, both the Bulava missile and the nuclear submarine with such a high profile historical the title - "Yuri Dolgoruky" - will be introduced into the Naval Fleet Russia.



"It is necessary to understand that the missile is not the only one involved in the launch, there is also a launcher located on the submarine, and then a whole system of guidance, flight control, launch, and more - all of this is installed on the boat," notes Viktor Litovkin. - In reality, figuratively speaking, the submarine cruiser Yuri Dolgoruky was as if married to the tactical missile Bulava. That is, this launch is really their wedding march of Mendelssohn and nothing else. The missile and the boat have all the prerequisites that by the end of 2011 they will be introduced into a single weapons system. But before that, there will be 5-6 launches of the Bulava missile from this boat, one of which should be carried out in a salvo. That is, not one launched missile, but at least two or three, which should be launched from the submarine almost simultaneously."

At the same time, in the Ministry of Defense of Russia, they prefer to keep silent about their nearest plans. The reason for this secrecy remains a mystery, and many are wondering if the 15 th launch of the Bulava was so successful?



In connection with the test launch of the Bulava rocket, the US military was somewhat nervous. In response to the Russian sailors' testing of a completely new ballistic missile, which, by the way, some experts called - “a rocket that cannot fly”, the US military announced the beginning of a new missile defense system test, which would be able to intercept the Bulava.

The problem with the Americans is that if Russia has proven that its rocket can still fly, their interception complex cannot please its government with such successes. In the US, this is not the comic scandal that is starting to flare up. The fact that the multibillion-dollar project, as it turned out in practice, is not a worker, became known literally the other day, and the senators of the upper chamber speak rather sharply about the misappropriation of budget funds.

But that's not all. Overseas senators, who had hitherto remained in unshakable confidence that in a few years the United States would receive a truly invulnerable "nuclear roof", were to experience an even more significant shock when they first learned that the existing sea-based anti-missiles did not have the ability to shoot down outdated ballistic missiles possible enemy classes. Or rather, as it turned out, praised by high officials from the Pentagon, the anti-missiles SM-3 cannot perform their task in the early stages of flight.

After the end of the evening hearings in the upper house of the United States Senate, Senator Richard Shelby was the most outraged: "Throughout this time, we were forced on a defense system that does not work." His associates also expressed their negative opinion about the work of military experts in the field of missile protection.

It is obvious that the successful launch of the Russian Bulava and the fact that the missile defense was inoperable put the Americans in an awkward position. They spent billions of dollars on the creation of an anti-nuclear umbrella, refused to install an anti-missile defense system in the UK, and as a result, they lose to Russia in all respects in the eternal leadership dispute in the world. For us, of course, this is like a balm, and for the Americans it’s like salt on a fresh wound.
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  1. mitrich
    +17
    30 June 2011 10: 05
    It becomes clear why, in general, the usual, planned launch of this wonderful Bulava MCR was so "promoted" in the Russian media. After all, the missile itself has not yet been adopted, and the potential enemy has already begun to worry.
    Most likely, this successful launch without any quotes is one of the steps of the Russian leadership, pushing the Americans, in particular, and NATO as a whole to reach a compromise on the deployment of American missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, which they categorically disagree with at present. This, of course, is a violation of the GSP (military-strategic parity) between the United States and Russia, although it is far from fatal for our country. We will have to take 2 divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces to other areas of deployment, which is not good for the country's budget. Well, the prestige of the state, of course, matters.
    Let the amers get nervous, maybe they will back down, because they only recognize strength and recognize it as arguments. And if they go to additional allocations to missile defense systems, which are already furious, then we are even better. After all, it is cheaper and faster to create attack tools based on old ones than to create all new defense systems. And the state of the world economy is not contributing to thoughtless spending. That's what I think.
  2. The Soviet
    0
    30 June 2011 10: 19
    .. you think well ..)))
  3. Cedric
    -5
    30 June 2011 10: 27
    To be afraid of the Bulava, the boat itself must be invulnerable, and I strongly doubt that it will be given the opportunity to launch all the missiles in one volley. So the Americans are unlikely to be afraid of it, they will simply spend more resources on surveillance. And given that in service we have a copy of the Mark 3 torpedo antediluvian, then there is no need to talk about the integrity of the missile system.
    1. +1
      21 November 2011 12: 39
      what prevents her from making a full salvo from the dock?
  4. Stavr
    Stavr
    -1
    30 June 2011 10: 51
    Senior seaman Mitrich expertly described the benefits Russia was gaining from the inclusion of new strategic missiles. However, no matter how Mr. Putin would have to repeat his phrase “she drowned” after a salvo of these missiles from the Yuri Dolgoruky submarine. Tests show that "Bulava" is a "raw" product. How in the future this "dampness" will affect the final acceptance - time will tell. In the past, at least alternative options were developed and the best one was chosen. Now there is nothing to choose from: even if it doesn’t fly, it will still be forced to sail towards the enemy coast. This is the motto of our Navy today: "do not wash, do it by rolling."
    1. +3
      30 June 2011 11: 30
      Stavr, since you are such a realist, why don't you cover the positive aspects of the "Mace" theme, or not interesting?
  5. mitrich
    +2
    30 June 2011 11: 04
    Stavr
    I nevertheless naively hoped that after my answer to you on the death of General Achalov, you would begin, if not thinking adequately, then at least adequately responding. If you are not satisfied with such our correspondence, let's just stop noticing each other.
    1. LESHA pancake
      0
      30 June 2011 17: 43
      according to Achalov, too little accurate information is nothing to discuss
  6. -5
    30 June 2011 11: 14
    And that's it! All the Americans are sitting under the table and can't eat, they're so afraid of the mace.
    1. +9
      30 June 2011 11: 42
      Agree frame5, sit at the table, and eat normally, but the eyelid of the eye then twitches Malenko ...
  7. Superduck
    +2
    30 June 2011 11: 21
    In order for the carrier boats to ensure the guaranteed launch of maces from at least one of them before they are sunk by American and British hunters, at least a dozen of them (boats) are needed. This Russia I'm afraid will not pull the dough. Considering the almost unlimited possibilities of the Americans to recruit naval personnel and civilians, I think that practically none of the boats will have the opportunity to go under the ice without a "tail".
    To be honest, I am an amateur in the field of submarines with ICBMs, but it seems to me that it was not worth it to engage in garbage and leave Sineva in service with all her shortcomings, at least there are at least some boats for her. just understand, given the fucking situation with financing, personnel and quality in the Russian military-industrial complex, I do not really believe that it is capable of producing the right number of boats and missiles with acceptable quality.
    It is worthwhile to understand that this racket with pens on the cogs was assembled 5 times and disassembled again, everything was checked, this is not a serial product, because they all knew how the career of their predecessors ended, so of course they tried very hard. I know something about quality systems; the ability to produce a single copy does not guarantee the possibility of mass production in the right quality.
    1. Stealth
      +1
      5 January 2012 20: 10
      Quote: SuperDuck
      In order for carrier boats to ensure guaranteed launch of maces even with one of them before they are sunk by American and English hunters, they need at least a dozen (boats)

      1. Nothing prevents SSBNs from releasing ICBMs without departing from the walls.
      2. Russia has significantly more than 10 SSBNs
      3. There are many ways to ensure survivability SSBNs:
      -cover with multi-purpose boats
      anti-submarine aviation
      - anti-submarine helicopters from those same Mistrals around which there was so much stink.
      Quote: SuperDuck
      it was not necessary to engage in garbage and leave in service with Sinev

      Sineva will be replaced by a more modern "Liner"
  8. mitrich
    +4
    30 June 2011 11: 36
    More for STAVRa,
    Excuse me, dear sir, but your comments do not contain either DEEP knowledge of the subject or superficial study of them. One continuous rally of "dissenters". One empty chatter. More than anything in the world, all my life I have hated empty-headed liars. There are users on this site who write things that I do not agree with, but they at least substantiate what they write. And you? Continue writing what you consider necessary, it's your business.
    If you consider it necessary for yourself to answer, write how old you are. At least I will know which generation you belong to.
    1. LESHA pancake
      0
      30 June 2011 17: 49
      let people let off steam
  9. Rico1977
    +4
    30 June 2011 13: 10
    And I am happy. We can do it again, since they are afraid - and they have already written articles about being afraid. And about them - the same embezzlement as ours - an unnecessary project for crazy money. As far as I understand - ideally it should hit up to 80% of missiles and warheads (!). Even with the remaining 20 percent they actually destroyed the state (and if you take into account the "before" - then it will be a complete disaster). And the Americans knew this, but continued, maybe they hoped for a technological breakthrough, but in my opinion - this is a fundamentally wrong principle - to knock down stone with stone ... here, perhaps, a different path is needed. But their military-industrial complex did not notice the crisis, and the arms giants received record profits - that's what everything was done for. As Eisenhower said, I think, "Fear the military-industrial complex" or something like that
  10. orth
    +9
    30 June 2011 13: 16
    The main thing is that the amers do not for a moment doubt the inevitability of a thermonuclear strike of retaliation. Only this can cool their excessive aggressiveness. Impunity corrupts.
    1. His
      +4
      30 June 2011 13: 23
      Their mass propaganda hammered the local population that this cannot be in principle
      1. Superduck
        0
        30 June 2011 13: 33
        That's what propaganda is for :-) That's the job...
    2. Michael
      +2
      30 June 2011 20: 56
      Are you personally sure that the first person of the Russian state will give the order to press the button? A donkey loaded with iPhones for the so-called elite will solve all American problems in a foreign country much faster and better. (note - hunchbacked-marked, eternally drunk, lover of de-Stalinization)
  11. orth
    0
    30 June 2011 13: 31
    The population - well, let their leaders know it. It is necessary that they regularly observe the arrival of war blocks in a given area.
    1. His
      0
      30 June 2011 14: 04
      The leaders will hide where necessary, and the people will burn
  12. Stavr
    Stavr
    -3
    30 June 2011 13: 38
    Lance corporal mitrichy: "how old am I, how old am I? As old as winters!"
    mitrich, you are more like a representative of the EDRisni party: the same opinions and the same cheerful comments about the great future. And I'm a pragmatist. As for the Mace, it will fly and how! I just know.
  13. mitrich
    +1
    30 June 2011 13: 58
    VadimIS,
    I very much ask YOU for the next favor. Either remove the "corporal" stripe from me, or hang it up to STAVR. In my opinion, this circumstance greatly strains him. Make a decision. I can wait for "junior sergeant" too.
    1. 0
      30 June 2011 15: 15
      The rating and title system is in test mode and is assigned automatically, we do not have the ability to manually influence the rating. The rating depends on the comments, on the voting for them.
  14. Stavr
    Stavr
    -2
    30 June 2011 14: 15
    Ok, mitrich, don't be offended. I apologize if I hit something. I already understood who you are and why you often visit the site. I’ll try not to disturb you anymore.
  15. mitrich
    0
    30 June 2011 14: 20
    Hush up, buddy STAVR.
  16. provodnikbdsm
    +5
    30 June 2011 14: 40
    The news of the launch of the mace from a standard carrier was very pleasing. Yes, and plans for the salvo are also pleasing. If I’m not mistaken, then no one has done such a thing except Russia. In 1991, exactly before the coup, the second corps of the BDRM staged a hippo. All 16 missiles, and nothing, it’s normal, though for a couple of years the dock was under repair after that, but this is normal, after such a salvo the boat most likely becomes a target, but there are chances to go under the ice, and there look for how much it will fit.
    About the copy of mark3. The missile carrier, in principle, is not intended for the destruction of anyone by torpedoes, they are there for every fireman. The main weapon of the missile carrier is autonomy, secrecy, the ability to deploy ammunition in the right place at the right time.
    In order for American or British hunters to destroy at least one missile carrier, they first have to find it. And this, even if the patrol area is known, is a very difficult thing. In 1992, the BDRM during exercises in the Barents Sea (together with VOLK) ran into the guided missile destroyer Sheffield. Which had just gone out to sea after modernization. And what? The Wolf disappeared instantly, and 667, despite 2 helicopters from Sheffield, and 2 more from Norway, also broke away within 2 hours. And mind you, from a surface position. Which once again proves that finding and maintaining contact is not so easy.
    There is no need for panic, amers do not poke their way into the Arctic, Russia is hosting it.
    1. Superduck
      0
      30 June 2011 19: 56
      Well, as far as I read, in the times of the USSR they had a standard that every Soviet missile carrier should be in the sights of a hunter boat with a probability of 80%, they accordingly had special boats for this (I don’t remember the class), with low noise, cool detection systems and high autonomy. I really don’t know how much they got this 80%, but such was the task and, in fact, their concept of nuclear safety was calculated on this value. That is, in short, approximately 80% of our missile carriers should be destroyed before launch. Therefore, all bases (there are few of them) were surrounded by the Americans with sensors and other crap. The schedule of submarines going on duty, although it was a strict military secret of the USSR, was quite easy to predict, everyone knew how long each submarine was on duty and how many submarines were at each base. My uncle served in the Northern Fleet as a submariner - he recently told me about this. Each submarine, immediately leaving the base, began dancing with a tambourine on there turns, lying and other things, i.e. Soviet doctrine proceeded from the fact that any submarine that left the base was already being led. In general, a missile carrier is not a kayak, a big and noisy thing, it is not easy to hide it. But when it has already crawled out under the ice in the Arctic Ocean - everything of course becomes much more complicated, the depths there are huge, you can't attach buoys to the ice, and so on. That is, under the ice, if you lose it - then consider it a goner.
      1. 0
        10 July 2011 22: 48
        Well, as far as I read, in the days of the USSR they had a standard that every Soviet missile carrier should be on the fly of a hunter boat with a probability of 80%, they accordingly had special boats for this (I don’t remember the class),

        class hunter, she’s a multi-purpose submarine
  17. mitrich
    0
    30 June 2011 15: 16
    PROVODNIKBDSM,
    I also think that finding an underwater target is much, if not impossible, more difficult than an air target. I am not a specialist in this field, but I am familiar with the laws of physics. In fact, do not guard the boats of the Navy of the warring states of our opposing submarines going on a military campaign in our own bays? And then: dive even under the ice, at least where. And try to find her.
    Do I understand correctly the main problem of the NATO Navy, PROVODNIKBDSM?
  18. provodnikbdsm
    0
    30 June 2011 17: 13
    MITRICHU
    Exactly, you understand. Destroying is not a problem, the problem is finding. And when the commanders are completely reckless like ours, then another problem arises, they do not fight according to the manual. There are many such examples, I will not cite them on the Internet, there are many. But I will cite one. In 1992, in the very northern Atlantic, during 20 days of patrolling in the area of ​​active counteraction by the NATO navy, acoustics recorded about a thousand contacts, of which about 120 were classified as NATO navy ships, but for some reason no one found the submarine. In fairness, it must be said that the submarine was crawling in silence mode at a depth of about 200 m.
  19. +3
    30 June 2011 17: 49
    Mitrich has substantiated it well and correctly in the original text! For which he gets a +1! Personally - do not pay attention to your comments! A thankless task! You can have a snack with a schoolboy on the potty. And, on the topic, I have such an idea. In principle, diplomats and intelligence officers have such a thing as a "multi-move". That is, you take a step, stir up the enemy, let him understand the direction of your subsequent attack. The enemy throws all his forces there, and plunges headlong into solving this problem. And, WE, in fact, were not going to play in the sand there! And, quietly developed a completely different weapon (missile), etc. But, at the same time, of course, they put some effort into blurring the eyes. The Yankees are tearing and throwing with their missile defense, breaking a ton of money into the development of anti-missiles, burying money in the construction of bases, turning on the printing press and devaluing their currency. And, in the end, WE come out and say, "Guys," what the hell are you all making a fuss about? We're not even playing here! Here's our real weapon! And we demonstrate... well, maybe, for example, a combat space hyperlaser! The Yankees are in shock! No money! Anti-missiles are ineffective! Bases are fucking unnecessary! The currency is denominated, there's rampant inflation, international debt! And we can't keep up with the counteraction... Something like that. So, let the "Bulava" be developed! In any case, it's no worse.
    1. His
      0
      30 June 2011 20: 02
      Unfortunately, they print money, how much is needed and give any dough. If their army budget averages $ 700 billion per year
      1. 0
        28 July 2011 19: 17
        There is a chance they won’t have time!
  20. -1
    30 June 2011 17: 52
    In pursuit of the present. Pindos fly into space there is nothing and delivery vehicles hu ... well!
    1. 0
      28 July 2011 19: 39
      But the bases will enclose any space!
  21. Joker
    0
    30 June 2011 17: 54
    I absolutely agree on the undetectability of a submarine during underwater travel.

    Examples of the Kursk nuclear submarines are not correct since there was a betrayal.
  22. Sergey M.
    Sergey M.
    +1
    30 June 2011 18: 01
    Too lazy to look, only amers still climbed under the Arctic ice - you will find in the internet.
    And they claim to divide the Arctic - when there the ice melts year-round. Although to the Arctic - no sideways.
    Uncle Sam is a commander on the planet. The weaker we are, the more impudent.
  23. +6
    30 June 2011 18: 34
    The successful launch of Bulava is not only a blow to the shaking American mentality of superiority, but, and I consider this to be the main one, another step in restoring the healthy self-consciousness of our people, the people who have not forgotten how to believe, build, and do for the good of the country. Skeptics can talk as much as they like about the lack of money to build a powerful fleet, army, etc. I want to remind you that eight years ago, even one tank delivered to the troops was a joy. Now everything is going much faster, albeit with a fair amount of sloppiness. The project "Borey" and "Bulava" are the "Ilyusha" that sat on the stove, and then rose, and like ё .......... l !!!!! This complex is the embryo of Russia's new strategic fleet. I believe. I always believed. Even when it was really bad. Now I see how, albeit little by little, the Great Country rises from its knees and proudly raises its head. But the trouble is, not every commentator has enough sight to see it.
    1. 0
      28 July 2011 19: 45
      I agree, but let me correct it a little: "..one step in restoring the healthy self-consciousness of our people, .." not only yours, there are still people left in the post-USSR (meaning not all have died out under the onslaught of the DerMocrates).

      and do not believe the Danes ... who are the leaders in your states !! (in the USA - FED, and you ???). here I’ll become mine ... So sho do not wishful thinking ... although it is really HOW YOU WANT to return to the Country!
  24. mitrich
    +5
    30 June 2011 19: 19
    Hit -it won't seem like a little to ANYONE! That's all the arithmetic.
    And we will defeat everyone, if necessary - and in the forehead, and stripping, and subsequent stripping just in case.
    I can justify any war, from the point of view of our modern losses, except for the storming of Grozny on the night of December 31.12.1994, XNUMX. And still, I think that the boys died in vain, I never believe that in vain.
    We will have a joint Slavic army - the Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusian-Serbian - I believe in this, then not a single shit will come to war with us.
    1. His
      0
      30 June 2011 19: 46
      If the Slavs understood this. Nothing is stronger than the Slavic union.
      1. Superduck
        0
        30 June 2011 20: 14
        The Slavs actually understand everything, you would choose an adequate president for yourself and everything will work out bully
        1. +3
          30 June 2011 20: 27
          SuperDuc Adequate presidents are needed in all Slavic states, this is also our common problem.
          1. His
            +1
            30 June 2011 20: 28
            The problem is that when you become president you will never cut back your powers in favor of another
        2. 0
          28 July 2011 19: 51
          Pancake!!!! Pancake! Pancake!! What did you mean???? What are the Slavs!?!? Ethnicity has been cleaned and diluted beyond recognition! All the strategies that my grandfathers received by inheritance, I can hardly find in tyrnet ???? What an "adequate president" !! We ourselves have lost OUR ADEQUACY !!!!!!
      2. +6
        30 June 2011 20: 15
        Russia is doomed to restore the Slavic community. The historical spiral of repeating events at a higher level has not been cancelled. Another conversation is how fast this process will go. We need to poke each other less on the site, like who is cooler, the hohols or the Muscovites. Less succumb to the provocations of the scumbags from the intra-Slavic nationalists, and more look for common ground. And the more powerful Russia becomes, the more attractive it begins to be for ordinary people of the Slavic peoples. That is why the Anglo-Saxons are shaking. The conciliar soul of Russia is drawing more and more real Slavic souls into its orbit. And Serbs, and Belarusians, and Ukrainians, and, strangely enough, even some of the Poles and Czechs have begun to turn around and remember that they are Slavs. We must learn to create the Slavic world in a new way, including at the level of communication on the Internet. If we learn, others will learn too. I believe.
        1. His
          -1
          30 June 2011 20: 22
          After all, in fact, what a prosperous Ukraine was under the Soviets. It all gives merged
          1. Superduck
            +1
            1 July 2011 12: 14
            The merger does not guarantee anything at the moment. I’ll tell you as a resident of Ukraine that it’s just the idea that we’ll unite and everything will become well in Ukraine only for ancient pensioners and youngsters, imbued with the Russian idea, but not understanding its essence. Most citizens among those who positively assess this prospect and do not dismiss it by definition do not yet see this idea of ​​filling and essence. If the future president of Russia (and who else?) Will be able to formulate it at an understandable level, without hatred and chauvinistic rhetoric, calmly and with dignity, then there will probably be a chance.
            So far, most of the adherents of this idea limit themselves to empty theses like: Tear up the Yankees, Glory to Stalin, Death to the Czechs.
            Those. a destructive ideology is immediately laid down, while not weakly revanchist. We need a positive and creative ideology, only it can be sold to the masses.
            1. His
              -2
              1 July 2011 21: 37
              Wait and see. See your default
            2. 0
              28 July 2011 20: 11
              You (or you), my dear fellow SuperDuck, watch too much TV! Although it is not allowed, I will say (please, no offense) did you understand what you wrote in this post??? What idea are you talking about if degradation has reached the limit: they shit in their own home!! There is only one idea - education and rise! Rise and education of YOUR personality!! Look on the Internet at Germany during the time of Hitler's rise to power: the trampled self-consciousness of the nation and, against this background, Hitler's proposal. So the people followed him.... And most likely they will follow anyone who will not let them spit and shit in the soul of the people!! I read the article with horror: http://zhurnal.lib.ru/w/wereshagin_o_n/vospitanije.shtml
              and in many ways I can choose "fellow believers" in relation to the article's axioms.
              Read it, maybe you'll understand me, that before ringing about philosophy, you need to get up off your knees, get out of the garbage bin, respect yourself, and then you'll understand how and where to go. And without that - a homeless person's conversation about how he could live well...
              1. Superduck
                +5
                28 July 2011 21: 17
                Hello fellow countryman. I do not have a TV :-)
                I read it.
                I will now speak absolutely seriously, who knows how to hear, he hears the rest; they don’t read the way, I warned in short.

                Do you know what fascism is? I'm talking about the true meaning of this word, not about what's written in the 5th grade history textbook. For example, why the hell is Yushchenko a fascist? That would be a compliment to this weakling. So, fascism is a system of social and political governance of the country that is optimal for the interests of the state. So now the Russian idea has been replaced by a fascist one. Why, you ask. I'll answer point by point: leaderism, intolerance towards representatives of other peoples and races, revanchism, intolerance towards the opposition, pedaling the idea of ​​an external threat, the idea of ​​returning ancestral lands, and a few other little things, but the whole set.
                Is it good? I don’t know yet, this system ensures the optimal functioning of the state and the titular nation.
                So, what you gave to read is an instruction for the education of a fascist, but at the same time I educate my son on these principles.
                So what is the difference between the modern Russian idea and fascism? I ask myself a question and can’t always give myself an answer. The difference lies somewhere in the depths of the history of our ancestors, in what is already hidden behind the id_r-astic powder of the court chroniclers and servile historians who are afraid of their own pen. This is something that is no longer there, that sometimes pops up in our minds with misty images of wild hunting and uncontrolled leaps along the steppe. Although no, she is free! The one who returns this to the people will be the great Russian and not the next Duce filled with megalomania and inferiority complexes! But there are no such people and it’s not visible, it’s a pity ... And yet, the Russian Federation is not able to carry the Russian idea because it is not a country of Russians, but a country of hundreds of nations that cannot be united by an idea, except for oil tankers.
                He himself did not fully understand what he said, but said from a pure heart, do not hold evil who offended.
            3. 0
              24 January 2012 14: 40
              You most likely use the results of "sociological" surveys of various Razumkov centers, Gorshenin institutes, which are financed by the US State Department and "shape" public opinion in certain interests. And holding a referendum is too weak? Of course, because then you will have to carry out the will of the people!
        2. 0
          28 July 2011 19: 53
          ... I believe ....

          there is such a saying: Blessed is he who believes. Strong who knows. Here is the second part lost ......
    2. 0
      28 July 2011 19: 49
      Read here: http://zhurnal.lib.ru/w/wereshagin_o_n/vospitanije.shtml

      Your (I believe that Mine) joint Slavic Army begins there, but until you have comprehended it yourself and DO NOT UNLOCK yourself for ACTION (see link) NO ARMY IS BORN FOR YOU !!!!!!!!!
      1. 0
        5 June 2012 19: 46
        + 100 I absolutely agree with the pack
  25. 916-th
    +3
    30 June 2011 20: 41
    Slavic brothers, what about other former fraternal republics, such as Kazakhstan. After all, there the Slavic population is about 40%.

    These are the same Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians who got there not for their own sake, but in the interests of the Russian state. Who is in the Soviet Union, and who is earlier - the same city of Alma-Ata (Almaty) is known in history as Fort Verny.

    Or, as Vladimir says in one of his comments, why attach to ourselves again everything that we were so hard to reset in 1991?
  26. +2
    30 June 2011 20: 54
    Well early to rejoice.
    That's when the boats really will be 8 pieces and the Bulava launches will be equal in reliability to the Topol, then we will laugh at the Pindovskaya missile defense.
  27. +2
    30 June 2011 22: 56
    916-th, This is a really tough problem. That is why adequate presidents are needed in all Slavic states, so that by joint efforts they can protect the interests of the Slavs in a foreign environment. Lord, how we need a strong and rich Russia, so that it can calmly and with dignity accept its children from a foreign land!
  28. Marat
    +3
    1 July 2011 01: 39
    I am grateful to 916 mu for remembering about Kazakhstan. Almost half of the population and most of the average command staff of the army are Slavs. In recent years, 44 Russians mistakenly returned to Kazakhstan. Most Kazakhs support unification with Belarus and Russia.
    There are no interethnic conflicts in the republic. I am not a Slav by blood, but a patriot of not only Kazakhstan, but also Russia and people like me most.
  29. The comment was deleted.
    1. +1
      28 July 2011 20: 13
      I agree! Bush in Kiev - write in advance .. for a walk on beer ....
  30. Stavr
    Stavr
    +8
    1 July 2011 07: 00
    A good comment, Rico 1977, feels that you can really rely on such people, they won't let you down. So the Russian poet Nikolai Zinoviev writes:

    How rejoices abroad
    And howls of happiness howling,
    That we knelt.
    And we knelt
    Pray before the battle.
  31. MichaelVl
    +3
    1 July 2011 08: 14
    I have never seen more positive comments on this site! It's so nice to read when people are charged with positivity :) It makes me very happy!
  32. Joker
    +2
    1 July 2011 09: 42
    I agree with everyone.

    Glory to the Great United Russia !!!
  33. 916-th
    +1
    1 July 2011 10: 40
    Marat, Victor, thanks for the support.

    This is a really important and relevant topic - the relations of the former Soviet republics, and now sovereign states, and the fate of former USSR citizens scattered in the post-Soviet space.

    It requires a separate discussion, and not on the margins of an article about Bulava. If the respected community is interested in continuing this topic, I could, for a seed, express my opinion, in particular about Kazakhstan, in a separate block. There is something to talk about here ... Ok?
  34. mitrich
    +1
    1 July 2011 10: 45
    916 th,
    if you decide to write, do not refuse courtesy, tell us how the Russians live there in conditions of independence. Do indigenous people offend? And then in my circles, opinions differ, and are not always pleasant for the Kazakh ear. Thanks in advance.
    1. 0
      1 July 2011 11: 23
      mitrich, I sent a letter to the mail - answer pliz.
  35. 916-th
    0
    1 July 2011 11: 20
    Accepted, Mitrich.
    1. MichaelVl
      0
      2 July 2011 00: 32
      916 th,
      Will there be a separate article about Kazakhstan, or will you write about it in the comments on the current topic about Bulava? Kazakhstan worries me, I was born there, I would be very glad to read it. In particular, Mitrich got to the point with his question.
  36. Ivan Caesar
    +2
    1 July 2011 23: 18
    People need hope that the country will recover and become a great power like the USSR was ... The fact that the Bulava is finally flying and will soon be put into service is the first step towards creating Great Russia ...
  37. Svyatoslav
    Svyatoslav
    0
    2 July 2011 01: 30
    God forbid, if Bulava is launched not during exercises, but for a real purpose.
  38. 916-th
    0
    3 July 2011 20: 02
    MichaelVl,
    I want to write in the form of an "opinion", here it seems there is such an option, and not as a comment on any article. I understood your request, I will try to satisfy. Just give a little time, now in time trouble.
  39. Vova
    +1
    10 July 2011 05: 33
    The first time I see unanimity in the comments. I talked about the Pan-Slavic idea with ordinary Poles. Everyone agreed, they say yes, the potential of such a Slavic state is huge, but the West will not allow unification, and the Slavs, like 1000 years ago, will be dogged between themselves for any reason and without. And personally, I think that the problem is also that WE, i.e. Russians do not recognize themselves as a NATION, and also a state-forming one.
  40. One of many
    -1
    10 July 2011 11: 14
    "mace" blah-blah-blah ... how many years have they been experiencing this Soviet backlog and everything is not going well ??? right ... to hell. it is unlikely that something worthwhile will come of it.
    and "long-handed", without the FLEET, it's just a box. yeah ... I see comments about the fact that this box can put continents on the ears and so on ... calm down. no one is afraid of us.
  41. Nikolay-
    0
    10 July 2011 20: 07
    The meaning of this weapon is one - "so as not to meddle." And they don’t fuss! So it works. Everything else is lyric.
  42. Pinocchio
    +1
    18 July 2011 14: 24
    The launch of Bulava is a kind of "Kuzkina Mother" ... in Russian foreign policy. The emergence of such a destructive force of weapons to defend our country is a mystical phenomenon ... after such a devastating tsunami that swept over the country. It remains only to competently, slowly do their business and not allow themselves to be bound by all sorts of obligations ....... like .... urgent disarmament or reduction of strategic arms .... Enough ... it's time to protect our country from good allies ...... Hurray for Russian weapons !!!
  43. Sasha15
    -2
    29 July 2011 09: 54
    no ..mace ..- do not scare the Pindos, despite the fact that their unit is, so this is the usual dusting of brains with us, the Ministry of Propaganda
  44. Motherland
    0
    14 October 2011 10: 24
    They have an unofficial order not to approach ships from Bulova.
  45. +1
    22 December 2011 07: 06
    Lord of the Rings!!!!! YOU!!!!!! WON'T!!!!!! PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNDERSTAND THIS FOR THE END!!!! THEY!!! WON'T EVEN FART!!!! FOR THEM IT'S PERHARBORLE AND 11/XNUMX!!!!!FUCKING CRAP!!!!!FOR US IT'S THE FAR EAST!!!! AND PROTECTION FROM A POTENTIAL ENEMY IS MORE IMPORTANT!!!!! CHINA!!!!!!! THE NEAREST WITH A BILLION POPULATED PEOPLE!!!! WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!! THAT'S THE ENEMY!!!!! WE NEED TO ARMAMENT AS MANY HINDUS AS WE CAN!!!! AND WHERE ARE THE CHINESE!!!!!! BRAINS!!!!!! am
  46. mind1954
    0
    9 March 2012 04: 11
    You are euphoric because not everything has died yet, but for them it’s just,
    trump card in the game on the right to plunder and sell our country!