S. Shoigu visited KAPO them. S.P. Gorbunova

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On Wednesday, June 4, Defense Minister S. Shoigu arrived in Kazan on a working trip. The trip plan was attended by visits to enterprises, a meeting and the opening ceremony of the monument to A.N. Tupolev. President of the United Aircraft Building Corporation M. Pogosyan and commander of the troops of the Central Military District N. Bogdanovsky arrived in the capital of the Republic of Tatarstan together with the Minister of Defense. At the airport of the Kazan Aviation Production Association. S.P. Gorbunov (KAPO) they were met by the President of Tatarstan R. Minnikhanov and other leaders of the republic.



The first event during the working visit of the Minister of Defense was the solemn opening ceremony of the monument to the great aircraft designer A.N. Tupolev. Under the leadership of Tupolev were developed more than a hundred types of aircraft, some of which were built in Kazan. Speaking at the opening of the monument, President of Tatarstan R. Minnikhanov recalled the role of Tupolev in the development of KAPO and the Kazan Aviation Institute. It should be noted that the monument in the Kazan square Gagarin is the first monument to the great aircraft designer. Earlier in honor of A.N. Tupolev busts were installed in several cities.

The Minister of Defense and the President of Tatarstan paid a visit to Kazan aviation production association and the KAPO-Composite plant, which produces some parts for it. In the KAPO workshops, Minister S. Shoigu was shown the process of repairing and modernizing long-range bombers. During a visit to the KAPO-Composite factory in the capital's delegation, they showed the production of composite parts for SSJ100 passenger aircraft. In addition, a presentation was made of several enterprises of Tatarstan that can participate in the construction of new aircraft.

The main event during the business trip was a meeting dedicated to the development of Russian long-range aviation. The Minister of Defense noted that the condition of the KAPO workshops pleasantly surprised him. The leadership of the military department is satisfied with the pace of repair work on Tu-22М3 bomber. Restoration and repair of long-range aircraft was the main topic of the meeting. S. Shoigu demanded that the industry continue to repair aircraft and set a goal for it: by 2017, the level of serviceability of long-range bombers should reach 80%.

According to the minister, it is necessary to discuss the possibility of increasing the volume of repairs and modernization of equipment. In the meantime, the industry is required to maintain the current pace of work. This year, air force units should receive 10 repaired and upgraded Tu-22М3 bomber. In 2015-16, it will be possible to speed up the work, so that 12 aircraft will be repaired every year. In a similar way, according to the leadership of the military department, it should be the case with long-range bombers of other types.

An important issue related to the upgrade of long-range aviation is the cost of components and work. Addressing UAC President M. Pogosyan, Minister S. Shoigu paid special attention to the need for reasonable and transparent pricing of various components for aircraft. The Ministry of Defense and the KLA have already reached a common opinion on this issue and intend to conclude new contracts in the light of the agreements reached. The contracts under which work will proceed in the next 2015 year will be signed within the next few months.

In the continuation of the repair and modernization of long-range aircraft, not only the Ministry of Defense is interested, but also the Republic of Tatarstan. According to R. Minnikhanov, 13 plants and 20 research organizations of the defense industry operate in Tatarstan. The total number of their employees is about 46 thousand people. In 2013, the total volume of state orders in the defense sector placed on Tatarstan enterprises exceeded 41 billion rubles. In 2014, this figure should be 47 billion rubles. Over the past year, production volumes increased by 12%. In the first quarter of 2014, an increase of 10% was achieved.

The President of Tatarstan also noted that there are certain prospects for the development of Kazan Aviation Production Association named after him. Gorbunova and other defense enterprises. R. Miniahnov promised to do everything possible so that KAPO could perform all the tasks assigned to it.

During the meeting, UAC President M. Poghosyan stressed that the fulfillment of orders of the Ministry of Defense is a top priority task for Tupolev OJSC. In order to comply with the repair schedule, some measures were taken that helped balance the component supply system and synchronize contractors' plans.

M. Pogosyan told about the latest events in the life of the United Aircraft Building Corporation. 31 May ended the merger of the two organizations that make up the KLA. Firm "Tupolev" and KAPO them. Gorbunova are now a single structure. The leadership of the aircraft industry believes that this association will significantly improve the efficiency of the two organizations. In addition, the KAPO production capacity upgrade program is already underway. Spending about 3 billion rubles, it is planned to upgrade production, as well as reconstruct the runway of the enterprise.

The results of this modernization will be visible in the very near future. According to the UAC President, this year it is planned to double the production volumes of KAPO and increase the plant's revenue to 20 billion rubles.

The latest event during the visit of the Minister of Defense and the head of the KLA to Kazan was the acceptance of the next aircraft that was repaired. In the presence of the heads of the military department and aircraft building industry, the air force was handed over to another repaired long-range Tu-22М3 bomber. Immediately after the transfer, the plane returned to its aerodrome.


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  1. +5
    9 June 2014 08: 23
    Repair for sure with modernization. At a pace of 12 vehicles a year for ten years, you can bring ALL those in service with the Tu-22 to the level of M3M. Given that PAK YES is unlikely to go into the series before the middle of the next decade - a perfectly reasonable step.
  2. arthur_hammer
    +3
    9 June 2014 08: 34
    better to Tu-22M4
  3. Andrey44
    +5
    9 June 2014 08: 44
    Did the condition of the workshops pleasantly surprise him? He would have seen how it was in the USSR, how these most powerful factories and research institutes were destroyed and CONTINUED to destroy. Would you be surprised? Probably he would have ordered to shoot half of the "persons" accompanying him right on the takeoff of the 22nd plant. Ugh, disgusting ...
    1. 0
      9 June 2014 22: 16
      Quote: Andrey44
      Did the condition of the workshops pleasantly surprise him? He would have seen how it was in the USSR, how these most powerful factories and research institutes were destroyed and CONTINUED to destroy. Would you be surprised? Probably he would have ordered to shoot half of the "persons" accompanying him right on the takeoff of the 22nd plant. Ugh, disgusting ...


      I support, Andrey. But all this is now called modernization.
  4. +1
    9 June 2014 08: 44
    Upgrading is good but need a new bomber
  5. +2
    9 June 2014 08: 55
    Shoigu is not an inspector or an excursionist. So why did you come? Could the news be concretized? After Kazan, Astrakhan suggests itself with the Caspian flotilla and ... good conditions for fishing.
    I am also interested in the opinion of Kazan workers. Does Mr. Poghosyan lack enough rags, tools, etc. of consumables?
    If Shoigu somewhere personally arrives, then do not listen to the digital, I hope.
    1. +2
      9 June 2014 10: 42
      I built on the 39th Be-200. And in the area of ​​the Angarsk farms there is the so-called educational base of the Ministry of Emergencies with a hydrodrome. So Shoigu, being the Minister of Emergencies, when he flew in, with Shifrin in this car they were fishing in Lake Baikal. A freighter was opened to them on the water, and from there they cast fishing rods.
    2. +1
      9 June 2014 22: 20
      Quote: shurup
      I am also interested in the opinion of Kazan workers. Does Mr. Poghosyan lack enough rags, tools, etc. of consumables?


      Interests you, and some more of "us", but not "retinue". I am already silent about the advance payment of the site master at KAPO.
  6. +2
    9 June 2014 10: 03
    A good monument to Tupolev is the production of Tupolev airplanes. And all other options, incl. modernization, half measures.
  7. Bugiman
    +5
    9 June 2014 10: 22
    I was at the 22nd plant, and at KAPO, though not the most modern buildings, workshops, but they impressed me with their reliability. Built for centuries.
  8. +4
    9 June 2014 12: 12
    The leadership of the military department is satisfied with the pace of repair work on Tu-22M3 bombers

    And how many of them rot at Russian airfields ?! Sorry for the technique! crying
  9. +2
    9 June 2014 14: 12
    All the same, I am interested to know if this is a scheduled repair or modernization? And if to In 2017, the operational level of long-range bombers should reach 80%. then what is the level now? It turns out that most of our bombers are in the ranks waiting for repairs? A bleak picture is obtained.
    PS And then Poghosyan - our wandering everywhere ripened!
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      9 June 2014 14: 22
      Quote: edeligor
      Is it a scheduled repair or modernization?


      And then ... and another ... though "modestly" they keep silent about the information on the repair of NK engines wassat .
      And the day before yesterday was fellow article about the UEC .... the weight of the motors are, acrome .. Kuznetsovskih crying

      Quote: edeligor
      . then what is the level now?


      You better not know crying

      Quote: edeligor
      It turns out that most of our bombers are in the ranks waiting for repairs?


      Unfortunately, but you are right +! soldier
      And about 12 a year ... this is only in Gazprom ... "dreams come true" wassat
      The official report of KAPO in open access ... read ... how much, what and ... how.
      And after reading, you can ask the Inspector General .... what, again, didn’t you report correctly to Plyuk? lol
      1. postman
        +3
        9 June 2014 17: 21
        Quote: vaf
        "modestly" they are silent about the information on the repair of NK engines

        hi Serge, in my opinion, the NK-25 resource can’t be extended anymore (extended, extended, and again, etc. ..)
        Can "lift" Tu-22M4 (or better 5), and not NK-32, but NK-321
        Quote: vaf
        And about 12 a year ... this is only in Gazprom ... "dreams come true"

        well, at least they didn’t tear it to China (like)
        2013: Russia agreed to sell 36 Tu-22M3 bombers to Beijing in the amount of $ 1,5 billion, Western media reported citing unnamed Chinese Internet resources.

        In Chinese naval aviation, the machine will be called the H-10, writes Business Insider.

        The deal with Russia involves the transfer of 36 vehicles to China in two batches - 12 and 24 bombers each.
        In China, the car is being upgraded, in particular, increasing the range, which will allow it to become a serious threat to many modern weapons systems, the newspaper notes.
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +1
          9 June 2014 22: 14
          Quote: Postman
          Can "lift" Tu-22M4 (or better 5), and not NK-32, but NK-321


          Hi Vasily fellow Not possible, because must be tested, and then run.
          They can't do 32M, and you're talking about 321 ... eh .... "dreams don't come true."

          It is impossible for the Chinese .. they will make such a sweet of it. That .... you know what they made of the old Tu-16 and An-12 .... you can only lick your lips.

          At your extreme remark, those in this edition cannot understand in any way that "a serious threat to many modern weapon systems" is not the range of the carrier, but the RANGE and capabilities of the PRNK, as well as the RANGE OF LAUNCHING THE ASP soldier
          1. postman
            +1
            10 June 2014 13: 35
            Quote: vaf
            and you mean 321 ... eh .... "dreams do not come true."

            this is my dream since "those" times, when they started, but did not finish

            Quote: vaf
            they can’t understand in any way those in this edition,

            Sergey, this is
            Quote: Postman
            Western media referring to unnamed Chinese Internet resources.
            - do not demand much from them
  10. Leshka
    +1
    9 June 2014 15: 31
    I think that they also withdraw from conservation
    1. postman
      +2
      9 June 2014 17: 14
      Quote: Leshka
      I think that they also withdraw from conservation

      There is nothing on conservation (if we mean by k- "conservation")
      150 units - 40 combat ready
      1. 0
        9 June 2014 21: 04
        Quote: Postman
        150 units - 40 combat ready
        In general, almost like in Ukraine ...
        1. postman
          +1
          9 June 2014 22: 11
          Quote: Dikson
          In general, almost like in Ukraine ...

          -on (in) Ukraine they are not at all (what, probably regret, on the Maidanchayk you can only shake the air)
          - we squeezed their "partners" (vile word) from the USA under the contract
          According to US officials, on February 26, 2013 a Russian Tu-22M3 bomber (Backfire) carried out simulated cruise missile firing at a ship equipped with the Aegis system deployed near Japan as part of the US missile defense system, Washington Free Beacon reported.
          The second such strike was carried out on February 27 at the ground position of the missile defense system located in Japan

          Officials said they were "not clear" why the Russians carried out the training strikes. wink
          ========================
          That’s why the Americans are following?
          after all it was possible to "convert"

          2006, St. Petersburg Design Bureau "Arsenal" completed the development of a unified small space platform "Neva" as a module of service systems for small spacecraft. It is adapted to operating conditions as part of the Skif aerospace complex, which includes the carrier aircraft Tu-22M and space accelerator. Based on the platform, it is planned to create spacecraft weighing up to 300 kg to solve a wide range of scientific and socio-economic problems. The purpose of each particular device will be determined by the module of the target systems.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +2
            9 June 2014 22: 27
            Quote: Postman
            Officials said they were "not clear" why the Russians carried out the training strikes.


            Vasily, I’ll correct ... not training blows, but training starts.

            The bad thing is that they calmly discovered and calculated. that it is Tu-22M3 (PNA operation frequencies) and launch (PG or PMG missile head operation frequencies).
            Conclusion, they will see far to the launch line, they will interfere and ..... When they worked on missile defense ground targets, then this is generally very easy prey for fighter jets, and if there is also an aircraft carrier group, then ... excuse me, but .... .. banan dumb! soldier
            Those. therefore, officials do not understand ... why go it alone on ... request
            1. postman
              +1
              9 June 2014 22: 50
              Quote: vaf
              Vasily, I’ll correct ... not training blows, but training starts.

              Serge! Nope, it’s not I wrote
              Quote: Postman
              According to of american officials
              -I quoted our potential "partners" fellow

              Training missile strike (BUT NOT shot !!!)
              training missile launch(so true, by logic and yours)

              You "rejoice" that pSSAki did not work at that time and did not tamper


              Quote: vaf
              The bad thing is that they calmly discovered and calculated. that it is Tu-22M3 (PNA operation frequencies) and launch (PG or PMG missile head operation frequencies).

              Well, they are unlikely to confuse the 22nd with something else (specific, and our choice is not great), do not forget that it was:
              -sea
              off the coast of Japan in Kyoto Prefecture, in the central part of Honshu Island


              plus more
              AWACS E-767 and E-2C Hawkeye


              \ Then it will be even worse
              -TOKYO, February 26, 2013. Second American Radar to track launches of North Korean missiles will be deployed on the basis of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces in Kögomisaki on the coast of the Sea of ​​Japan.
              -Japan intends strengthen air patrols in the East China Sea. For this purpose, the Ministry of Defense of Japan requested funding from the government in the amount of 1,3 billion yen (13,3 million dollars), which can be provided in fiscal 2014 (starting April 1, 2014). In particular, it is planned to increase the frequency of patrolling by AWACS aircraft E-767 and E-2C Hawkeye.
        2. VAF
          VAF
          0
          9 June 2014 22: 20
          Quote: Dikson
          In general, almost like in Ukraine ...


          This is in the sense of standing in museums in Zhulyany and Poltava? so there, including 0-ki and MO .. 5 pieces barely typed wassat
          1. +1
            9 June 2014 22: 40
            No, I'm not talking specifically about the 22nd, I'm talking about the ratio "stands on concrete" - "is able to rise into the air"
            1. VAF
              VAF
              0
              9 June 2014 22: 50
              Quote: Dikson
              I'm talking about the ratio "standing on concrete" - "able to rise into the air"


              Then, +! drinks True, now Ukrainians are doing everything in their power to restore .. restore.

              Here is a photo of the freshest "resuscitation" UB-shki



              The truth is that with helicopters it will be more difficult.
      2. VAF
        VAF
        0
        9 June 2014 22: 18
        Quote: Postman
        150 units - 40 combat ready


        wink but combat-ready or all the same ... combat ready wink drinks
        1. postman
          +1
          9 June 2014 22: 53
          Quote: vaf
          or all the same ... alert

          I’m waiting for you to write.
          I’m all on top, and you know the roots.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +2
            9 June 2014 23: 27
            Quote: Postman
            , and you know the roots.


            Well it would be foolish .. don’t know soldier about the extreme ... let's not talk about ..... "disclosure" .... The chief said .... "lumin". then it will be ... "lumin" fellow and .. the main thing is that .. "more caps" wassat
            1. +1
              9 June 2014 23: 35
              Quote: vaf
              Well, it would be stupid .. not to know the soldier about the extreme ... let's not talk about ..... "disclosure" .... The chief said .... "lumin". then there will be ... "lumin" fellow and .. the main thing is that .. "more caps" wassat


              That would be your words, but a goldfish in your mouth! There would be no price! drinks Realities say that the "car" is stepping on the handbrake .... Russia has always needed not "effective", but FOREVERLY DEVOTED, such as Korolev, Glushko, Chelomey, Yangel, Myasishchev, Sukhoi, Mikoyan, and Tupolev too. A worthy monument, no doubt ...
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      9 June 2014 22: 16
      Quote: Leshka
      they also withdraw from conservation


      Not from conservation, but from .. temporary storage. wink
  11. +3
    9 June 2014 18: 23
    Shoigu is, of course, one of the most respected ministers of Russia. One EMERCOM is worth something. In addition to creating forces and means capable of promptly and effectively responding to emergencies not only in Russia but throughout the world, he created a service for modeling and forecasting man-made and natural disasters at the Ministry of Emergencies, which allows the Ministry of Emergencies to prepare in advance for "pleasant" surprises. The same creative approach on his part is observed in the post of the Minister of Defense of Russia. Naturally, not everything he conceived turns out as he wants. even if sufficient funds are allocated to him (ie, MO), there is often simply no one to master them. his predecessors managed to destroy not only the USSR, but also the entire mighty military industry of the Union, and the debris of this industry was permeated with such corruption that it would take a long time to get rid of it, it was too absorbed everywhere and became an integral part of life. The fact that she, the war industry of the USSR was mighty, was verified by myself more than once or twice. Another thing is that this industry was not always set the tasks that it had to solve and ordered what would need to be ordered. And when they caught up and ordered something, the time was either wasted or submarines made in a hurry and handed over at the end of the year and other waterfowl and pedestrian pieces of iron all burned and exploded from an elementary marriage admitted in this haste because the slogan was always one "Hand over on time at any cost" otherwise party card on the table and walk Vasya. And handed over where to go. Another feature of those times was the visits of distinguished guests to the defense industry enterprises and the presence of these guests at the exercises. What did this lead to that the opinion of a high but absolutely "off topic" guest became the general line of entire industries, often running counter to what was really needed and important for the army at this period. I would like to hope that Shoigu and his inner circle are not and will not become such guests in the future. Everyone should be engaged in business corresponding to his level in the hierarchy of the state administration system and his competence. Otherwise the trouble
  12. -4
    9 June 2014 20: 56
    In vain hope. Shoiga is the same guide as the previous ones. He did not serve in the army. Already talking about something.
    1. 0
      9 June 2014 21: 09
      Shoigu managed to create a militarized mobile structure capable of functioning within the limits of the planet Earth in a ruined country, solving many problems. So no songs needed ...
      1. +1
        9 June 2014 22: 31
        quote-The first event during the working visit of the Minister of Defense was the opening ceremony of the monument to the great aircraft designer A.N. Tupolev.

        Quote-The Minister of Defense and the President of Tatarstan paid a visit to the Kazan Aviation Production Association and the KAPO-Composite plant, which produces some parts for him.

        1. VAF
          VAF
          0
          9 June 2014 23: 07
          Quote: Apollon
          quote-The first event during the working visit of the Minister of Defense was the opening ceremony of the monument to the great aircraft designer A.N. Tupolev.


          Arolon, welcome drinks ! The monument is very beautiful and worthy! soldier



          In the film ... on 3.11, Carcass takes off in case of failure of the right engine ... almost from the "extreme" plates left ... the jet was already hitting the ground of the safety strip recourse and so .. pancake pancake in a set
          .
          And they wanted, as always ... to accelerate after the "detonation", to remove the landing gear and flaps, and at the end ... the shast and .. on the "cross" and a combat turn ... but .. "did not fuse" ... it happens recourse

      2. 0
        11 June 2014 00: 10
        Quote: Dikson
        Shoigu managed to create a militarized mobile structure capable of functioning within the limits of the planet Earth in a ruined country, solving many problems. So no songs needed ...

        Here, let's say, I didn’t do worse, which was more than relevant for the 90s. The USSR Civil Defense System was not so beautiful, but no less effective.
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    2. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      9 June 2014 22: 30
      Quote: 16112014nk
      Shoiga is the same guide as the previous ones


      Nah, well, it’s you very wrong soldier
  13. +1
    10 June 2014 00: 16
    This is all junk! For 20 years, not a single fundamentally new unit of technology. All that Russia has is all the past century. The genius of Soviet designers laid a huge reserve of modernization in our technology, but even this has a limit and without new developments and technologies we won’t win the survival race.
    1. 0
      10 June 2014 15: 12
      What does old mean? If the machine has been brought to the level that ensures the fulfillment of combat missions in the forecast period and has a sufficient resource for this period to be in service, then this is what is needed at this stage, because it is better to have the required amount of this junk here and now than it is not known what, it is not known when and how much ... After all, even such dinosaurs as Tu95 and B52 still serve and no one complains about them. And they will serve for a long time. And besides them, hundreds of aircraft from the Vietnam War are on storage in the same States, and if necessary, they will undoubtedly be put into operation. We can also recall the return to our world of seemingly completely archaic vacuum electronic tubes. And they turned out to be much more resistant to EMP, and the sound of consumer radio electronics with them will be cooler than with transistors and microchips. So the term "old" is a relative concept. Especially in military equipment, which, as a rule, is a one-time thing and which needs a lot in a war, but there will be nowhere and no one to do. And there will hardly be time to "do".
      1. postman
        +1
        10 June 2014 16: 45
        Quote: gregor6549
        If the machine is brought to the level ensuring the performance of combat missions in the forecast period and has a sufficient resource to allow this period to be operational

        1. The BZ has changed since then, substantially, and the means of counteraction (when fulfilling the BZ) are the same. How much time has passed.
        2. There is just no resource NK-25 squeezed out (according to the resource all), vaf will tell you more about the fatigue of the glider.
        Quote: gregor6549
        Indeed, even such dinosaurs as Tu95 and B52 still serve and no one complains about them.

        These are "other" machines. Global, are expensive, they will be "pulled" until the very last, and their knowledge base has changed.
        Well, who could suggest that the B-52, created against the USSR, as a carrier of nuclear weapons (The main task for which the B-52 was being developed was to deliver two thermonuclear bombs of high power to anywhere in the USSR.)
        will bomb targets in Afghanistan, Iraq and Serbia
        By the way, it is easier for us that the USSR produced, then it practically produces (to a lesser extent) the Russian Federation.
        But the American Air Force is a terrible problem with spare parts.
        On B-2 for sure (they don't know where to stick to), and B-52H CEM - "hangs"
        1. 0
          10 June 2014 17: 27
          I don't see any particular problems in replacing engines that have exhausted their resource with "fresh" ones after overhaul or with new ones. The problem is, of course, that those engines were not particularly economical, but one must not forget that these are still not civil aviation aircraft where maximum profit is required from them. In addition, at one time they were equipped with a system for refueling in the air, allowing these cars to fly where necessary even on uneconomical engines> This system was therefore partially dismantled by agreement with the "minke". they were very much afraid of this "litak". There are no particular problems to restore this system.
          On the strength fatigue of the glider.
          This fatigue concerns aircraft that have been in operation for a long time. Yes, and it, this fatigue, has long been learned to "remove". In any case, the technology of extending the service life of the airframe of a very old F111 was very successfully used in Australia, which allowed it to keep this "old" in service until recently. Naturally, outdated aircraft models that are rebuilt should not have particular problems with fatigue by definition.
          What else? Replace morally obsolete avionics and weapons with modern ones is also quite capable.
          Yes, now there are other interfaces, software, element base, etc., but all this "kibenimatics" is within the understanding of even average-level specialists, and its implementation and modification is now much more accessible and simpler than when all these machine codes were written by hand and they were "stitched" almost tightly, which made it very difficult to carry out the necessary changes and required the presence of installers of the highest qualifications.
          1. postman
            0
            10 June 2014 23: 39
            Quote: gregor6549
            In replacing the engines

            on new yes ... but they are not
            on austauschmotor (overhaul) .... how do you imagine a thorough overhaul on a turbojet engine?
            everything that could be "capitalized" already to the holes (as far as I know)

            Quote: gregor6549
            but we must not forget that these are still not civilian aircraft where max profit is required from them.

            maximum combat load and max. speed / range
            Quote: gregor6549
            Restore this system, too, no special problems.

            Yes. I wonder why GDP has not spat yet
            Quote: gregor6549
            and this fatigue has long been learned to "remove".

            fly in a civilian plane - pay attention to the behavior of the wing.
            take elastic steel, strip (spring): alternating cyclic loads, sometimes shock =
            microcracks, metal fatigue, microcorrosion = finish.
            don't take off
            Quote: gregor6549
            in Australia, which allowed her to keep this "old"

            Well, not quite old and approx. F-111 was designed and made a little differently
            Quote: gregor6549
            What else? Replace morally obsolete avionics and weapons with modern ones is also quite capable.

            Expensive.
            Personally, the story is hard: Hungary joined the EEC, Mercedes offered to buy actresses at a **% discount (I can’t).
            I AM :? and what is wrong there?
            MB: safety, bars, something
            Me: so this is a penny, and you give me a **% discount, where is the logic?
            MB: pick it up, bring it to the plant, check out the land, people, install, test, get Gthntmigung, take it .. = 50% of the cost, we don’t need

            and business something.
            And that and avionics, the interface (there will be a phonite), hydraulics, power lines, new generators, interfaces ... and so on and so on.
            CHEAPER NEW TO MAKE.
            1. 0
              11 June 2014 14: 32
              What new are we talking about? If about the PAK of long-range aviation, then the process of its creation has already begun, but when it will be finished with a big question. Even in the heyday of stagnation, such a process required at least 10 years, and now, when many of the production of components and materials are far from the then level, and others have disappeared in the fog, this process may well drag on for 15-20 years and it is still not known what kind of "miracle -div "will appear at the output of the process. After all, the plane itself is of very relative value. A lot more is needed for it to become a full-fledged and effective aviation armament complex (weapons itself, ground infrastructure, simulators, etc.). And even assuming that in the end everything with PAK YES will be OK, what will the "truckers" fly on before it appears. After all, the TU22M3 today is the main striking force of the Russian Navy against the AUG of minke whales, and so far there is nothing to replace this force, either qualitatively or quantitatively, especially if we recall the fact that up to several regiments of long-range bombers / missile carriers were supposed to be used to destroy only one AUG. TU160 and TU95 are aircraft of a different class and have different tasks. Therefore, I would not be so categorical in terms of “we don’t need the old one, give us a new one”. to give a lot and cheaply?
              It’s good to part with time with illusions, as well as with innocence (forgive me, old lady)
              Yes, and the "situevina" in the world today is such that the above-mentioned "old" ones are needed today and in sufficient quantities.