Didgori - Georgian Tachanka

“Anyone can take their car and hang armor on it in the workshop. They do that. ” With such words, the experts appreciated the novelty of the Georgian defense industry, presented at the parade in Tbilisi. The main goal of the innovation is to demonstrate the powerful industrial potential of the Georgian defense industry.

A military parade took place in Tbilisi on Thursday, during which Georgian military equipment was demonstrated for the first time.

According to "News-Gruziya ”, units of the 1, 2 and 3 infantry brigades of the Ministry of Defense of Georgia, whose military personnel took part in peacekeeping operations in Afghanistan 4 was also prepared to participate in the operation in Iraq, and in August 2007 was redeployed to fight against Russian troops.

After the passage of foot columns past the audience went military equipment. The procession began by the Georgian Didgori armored personnel carriers (named after the place where the Georgians won the greatest military victory in their stories).

The Ministry of Defense of the country reported that two types of vehicles were presented at the parade: “Didgori-1” and “Didgori-2”. They differ in capacity and weapons - MINIGUN or machine gun caliber 12,7. The weight of the machines is about 7 tons, the armor of the machines protects against hits from rifle weapons. Capacity - from seven to nine people.

The vehicles, the Defense Ministry reported, are assembled at a Tbilisi tank factory, taking into account modern international standards. Especially for journalists and guests to inspect them, the passage of the column was suspended. President Mikhail Saakashvili came down from the podium, personally inspected one of the cars and talked to the crew.

After heavy armored vehicles and artillery systems, aircraft took part in the parade. Aviation It was represented by helicopters UH-1H (Iroquois), Mi-8, Mi-24, I-39 fighters - Albatros, Su-25, Interfax reports.

Note the production plant tanks Tbilisi has never been. This is a tank repair plant.

“Anyone can take his car and hang armor on it in the workshop,” Konstantin Sivkov, first vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, commented to the newspaper VIEW. - They do that, that is, it is all at the level of handicraft production. For serious production, they do not have the capacity, and most importantly, there are no engineering and design personnel - they all ran away.

There was a wonderful Kutaisi Automobile Plant where KAZ cars were made. By 1993, he was completely crushed. I do not think that something was better with a tank factory. What can you say about the tank factory, which stood 20 for years, was plundered during the times of Gamsakhurdia, uses the old technical base, its power is very limited both in volume and in product quality. At best, this enterprise is capable of producing such cars adapted from civilians to the military sphere, ”he noted.

“They could just as well take a car service and do something at its base,” the expert continued. - But they took the building of this enterprise, probably bought new machines and constructed something there. The main thing is to demonstrate that at least something is there. They do not have their own small arms - even to equip this machine with machine guns, they are not there, they are not being produced, ammunition is not being produced. As for the armor - in our case, private companies make collection vehicles, then they can also be called a military machine. Is it possible to use a collector’s car, even if of high maneuverability, for conducting combined-arms reconnaissance in the event of serious opposition? ”

“This is a lightly armored jeep based on a Ford vehicle, apparently with a reinforced suspension,” concluded Sivkov. - I do not think that it differs in any special tactical and technical characteristics. The car has a reservation from bullets of caliber 7,6 mm and less. Apparently, it uses an engine capacity of about 150 l. s., which provides a speed of the order of 80 – 90 km / h, if not less. Patency is very limited, given that the chassis is almost a passenger car. This is a machine for solving limited sabotage and reconnaissance missions, nothing more. In Libya, put machine guns on jeeps. Here is the same. ”

Didgori - New Era of the Georgian Military Industry

The main surprise was the Didgori armored vehicles assembled in Tbilisi. This statement was made by the chief editor of the military-analytical magazine "Arsenal" Irakli Aladashvili.

According to him, the "Didgori" is assembled on the basis of a pickup of the type of American "Ford".

“The assembly process took place at the Tbilisi Aviation Plant since the beginning of 2011. The pick-ups were armored there and equipped with the six-barreled American Minigun machine gun. The assembly process continues, ”Aladashvili said.

The expert notes that "Didgori" can be used for reconnaissance purposes or as an armored personnel carrier. According to the class, they are close to the Turkish “Cobra” acquired earlier by Georgia.

Created 2 versions of Didgori. One transport and the other reconnaissance. For comfort, she avoids both the Cobra and the Wolf.

On the machine, you can install 2 versions of the machine gun M-134 minigun and 12.7mm NSV Cliff.
In general, the car was designed exclusively for the needs of the Georgian military.

I am very pleased that Georgia has begun such an important process - the production of national military equipment. Will it be a one-time occurrence or just the first steps in this area, time will tell. In the meantime, congratulations to all the patriots of Georgia. This is a very important fact in our recent history!

Source:
http://www.vz.ru
http://blumgardt.livejournal.com

Comments

[datur]

pretty. select!

[Goldpirate]

What a damn smart comment on and pump up other people's achievements (albeit a little bit minor) and even so caustic, all the voyaks themselves drive armored Kombats and Wolves, and even so cool that they decided to refuse them and buy even cooler, Iveco, kindergarten Yes, in the same northern Caucasus, they still ride in simple UAZs))))))))))))

[mitrich]

Judging by the avatar, "The Golden Pirate" is clearly one of those places. My answer is simple: your armored cart with a Lincoln-like radiator grille does not cause envy. All of you there are little Americans!

[Goldpirate]

But in any case, better than a UAZ or the same "hussar" in the army of the Russian Federation

[Cheese]

Come on Mitrich, leave this pirate, even if they develop like this. And if again they want to learn from us military affairs, we will take these carts as payment.

[SOLDIERru]

The technique is not serious. Clearly high center of gravity. This suggests that the chassis was not developed specifically, but was adapted from a civilian version. The radiator grill is generally funny. Such a design was abandoned already in the 30s of the last century (it does not protect against lead spray). Explicit homemade.

But we also deal with light armored vehicles, the situation is not much better. Alterations of UAZs, Gazelles, Urals are just ridiculous. Yes, and all sorts of Watermen and Tigers, etc. in all respects except design inferior to BRDM-2. However, Western engineering does not offer anything other than thickening the armor.
In my opinion, engineers should have focused on the following aspects when designing light armored vehicles.
1) Confrontation with a close detonation of a high explosive charge. (in particular, not completely closing the case, or other ways to resist a sharp increase in pressure inside the machine, may help)
2) Reducing the damaging factors of cumulative ammunition (for example, not completely closing the hull, or other ways to resist a sharp increase in pressure inside the car, dividing the internal space of an armored object, special tanks, a reasonable location of the ammunition shell)
3) Mine resistance (when a wheel hits a mine of contact action, the blast wave should not directly affect the body, the mine resistant shape, shock-absorbing seats, anti-splinter inner coating)
4) The ability of the crew and landing to leave the car as quickly as possible

[PSih2097]

You should not compare the mess with the tiger and the waterman, these are different classes of cars, although a direct hit from an RPG or a queue from a KPVT will equalize them.

[CARTRIDGE]

go hunting

[georgia army]

crew - "Didgori 1" - 8 + 1 (machine gunner), appointment - reconnaissance armored military vehicle,
crew - "Didgori 2" - 6 + 1 (machine gunner), engine - 450 horsepower, twin turbodiesel, speed -100-120 kilometers per hour, fuel tank allows the car to cover 500 kilometers, armor - the car is armored according to the requirements of the 2nd rank NATO standards. This class provides protection against bullets of caliber 7.62 / 54. Weight - 7 tons, armament - machine gun of the "MINIGUN" system (rate of fire from 12 to 15 thousand rounds per minute), the second type of "Didgori" is equipped with a 12.7 caliber machine gun. Both models can be equipped with weapons of other classes.

[Ural]

Great thing to break up demonstrations. For war - no better than UAZ, with such and such a reservation.

[Passing]

Quote: georgia army

machine gun of the "MINIGUN" system (rate of fire from 12 to 15 thousand rounds per minute)

In fact, 3-6 thousand rounds per minute.
In general, doubts arise about the ability to hold a rifle cartridge at seven tons of weight.

[david89]

This class provides protection against 12.7 a ne 7.6 bullets

[datur]

georgia armywell all scared give up !!

[mitrich]

datur
Have you noticed how your opponent or the same Goldpirat positions himself on the forum (if they are Georgians, of course, and not "trolls" of domestic bottling).
One with the avatar of a fighter of the 82nd Airmobile Division of the USA, the other called himself the army of the state of Georgia (they like that the name "Georgia" coincides in English with the name of this poor American state). No, to "Vano" or "Mimino" to be named and a cap - to show the airfield. An obvious degradation of the Georgian national self-awareness, while the Pindos are also dishonored.
This "Didgori" - another "bunch" of Sukashvili, not the military-industrial complex, but only his profanation. Previously, under the USSR, in Tbilisi, Su-25 attack aircraft were made, and now it is some kind of fucking cart that will become unusable from a machine-gun burst, not to mention an RPG. We don’t need their Didgori even as a free trophy, we have much better cars.
You treat all the messages from Georgia as if you came to the circus, sat in the front row and watch a fascinating performance.

[datur]

mitrich, You treat all messages from Georgia as if you came to the circus, sat in the front row and watch a fascinating performance .------------------------ ---- sinful indeed.

[mitrich]

datur
in the word "treat" I emphasized the letter "and". But your answer suits me perfectly.

[Max79]

Remember the Turkish "Cobra". During 2008, when the hostilities were taking place, our troops captured one "Cobra". And what do you think? She was shot through and through (I think from the SVD) BOTH! A bullet entered one door, and came out of the other. And here they say that Didgori does not even reach the cobras. By design, yes, beautiful. But quality? Gov..o!

[Passing]

Our commandos from a 12,7 mm caliber sniper shot at the Cobra draped from the front.

[david89]

tut uvas informacia xren .. ano ne pravilnoe davaite ia vas asveshu .. The smaller armored vehicle "Didgori-2" can transport 7 soldiers, while the larger "Didgori-1" has a compartment for additional accommodation of two more equipped troops. The Didgori-2 is equipped with a 12.7mm NSV heavy machine gun, while the Didgori-1 has a 134mm M7.62D machine gun supplied by Dillon Aerospace. Both machine guns are partially protected and manually operated. "Didgori" has a weight of 7 tons and is built on the chassis of the Ford-F series tractors. The twin turbodiesel engine has a power of 450 hp. The car can reach speeds of 10-120 km / h and has a range of up to 500 km with one refueling. The Didgori's armor is thinner than the NATO level 2 STANAG 4569, which provides protection against 7,62 mm bullets. Bullets of this caliber are used, in particular, in the Russian large-caliber PKM machine guns and SVD sniper rifles. The machine has a faceted body for increased ballistic protection. Mine protection "Didgori" corresponds to the level 2b STANAG 4569, which provides survivability of the crew in an explosion up to 6 kg TNT. "As for the armor protection of the lower part of the vehicle, it is a 3-layer sandwich system. The middle layer provides protection from the blast wave, while the other two layers protect the crew from shrapnel," said a spokesman for the Ministry of Defense. The armored vehicles have front and rear view thermal imaging cameras supplied by Flir Systems. Information from the cameras is displayed on three displays, two for the driver and commander, and one for the infantry. The armored vehicle is equipped with three doors: one in the back and two on the sides. Side doors "Didgori-1" have large bulletproof glass. i ano prevasxodit kobru

[APASUS]

I'd like to get such a serious car to the landfill.

[111]

mitrich
Why do you dear write in this tone? georgia army politely wrote the technical data of the machine, someone criticizes the machine, someone does not, but you need to communicate with great respect.
And as for Georgia, this is not the name of the state which for some reason was appropriated by Georgia as you say, Georgia was called Georgia in ancient times, as it was called by the Greeks and later Europeans, and the name was fixed to this day. Neither the state of Georgia nor the state of America existed when Georgia was called Georgia. Although in Georgia itself, their country is called Sakartvelo. So before you write something that you are not sure about, it’s better to clarify and then write.

[mitrich]

Mr. 111,
here I am POLITELY and wrote about the lack of national identity among Georgians, as well as that "Didgori" is shit. I AM RUDELY speaking in a completely different way. Or do you, dear, saw some calls in my words? Then read your Sakartvelian press, or listen to your president ... To be completely honest, Georgia does not evoke any emotions in me at all, unlike the silly, but still fraternal Ukraine.

[mishan]

It is written:
"Aviation was represented by helicopters UH-1H (Iroquois), Mi-8, Mi-24, fighters I-39 -" Albatross ", Su-25, reports" Interfax "."
Albatross is an aged training aircraft, and the Su-25 is an attack aircraft. But no matter how not the fighters ...
And yes! Do not blame the Georgian people, hite their president and his entire government. There are good people among Georgians.

[mitrich]

MISHANA,
but one should not forget that the Russian peacekeepers were shot not by Saakashvili personally, but by ordinary Georgians. Although I agree with the fact that there are good people among them. I know two personally, and not thieves. But these people live in Russia and sincerely love our country. But as in Sakartvelo itself, I don’t know and don’t want to check.

[111]

mitrich

You are just great. They managed to offend both Georgia and Ukraine. My advice to you, learn to be respectful to people who may have a different opinion. And if you don’t learn how to somehow try to say all this in the face of a citizen of "stupid" Ukraine or a citizen of Georgia with a "degraded national identity" and believe me, very quickly then you will become very polite.

[mitrich]

Well, Mr. 111 gives himself a damn thing! It turns out that I insulted the Georgians and Ukraine at the same time?
Are not your fellow tribesmen, along with the Ukrainian users of the site, from day to day they send Russia from x..ya to x..y? Don't you always boast of your "Europeanness" and "Americanness", you call Russia "Rashka", and there are many other things that can be remembered in Georgia since 1991? And I have to be tolerant, polite and smile at 32 teeth. So, Mr. 111, I am tolerant, and most Russians are already tired of being. Now I profess the principle "who is not with us is against us," regardless of nationality. In practice, it looks like this: since you disagree with me on the issue of Georgian-Russian relations, then you are my enemy. Your last proposal, apparently, according to the author's idea, should have scared me. My answer is this: I said the same thing as I wrote above, not only to Russians, and so far no one has dared to hit me in the face.

[Goldpirate]

Well, you and a strange type, if you like Georgia do not care, then sho you here whipped? If I don’t care, I ask you to pass by, Yes, Georgia is with America, we will have a new path and we will see what it will lead to, I would advise you to turn around and look back to your country, but stop whining that without Russia they will disappear ................ your hobbits will not be harassed by anyone, so you should calm down))))))))))) Georgia has turned its back on Russia, it's all an enemy, Ukraine is not will enter into a taiga union, everything, the enemy, Belarus ......... mmmmmmm were almost brothers, but just that, about the dad it was launched on TV, horror and the mafia, just a guard)))))) )))

[4 brigade]

Didgori imeet namnogo silnuiu bron chem otocar cobra ili israelskii volf, ona bolee ... Didgori po tem porametram katorie poka izvestni o nem opeerejaet otocar-cobra ... sravnite sami, i smotrite na didgori kak na bronitansporto ev ne gruzie

[Ural]

If the previous Turkish armored car "Akrep" was unified with the "Land Rover", then the "Cobra" is made on the basis of the design of the American all-terrain vehicle HMMWV. The steel body of the armored car is newly developed, it provides protection for the crew from hits of ordinary bullets of 7,62 mm caliber; the installation of additional armor plates capable of protecting against armor-piercing bullets of the same caliber is provided.
And what is better? HMMWV adapted for the citizen, and not vice versa as Ford. In addition, the wedge-shaped bottom protects better from mines (I'm talking about cobra). True, it is more expensive than Ford, and Amer insurance is much more than a Georgian. No, it's a police car, no more.

[LEKHA]

I wonder if with RPG SANDAL IN A CAR WHERE where will the genatsvale jump out of?

[Commander 2008]

Of course, like a cul ...

[111]

mitrich

Yes, you insulted and it seems you don’t even understand it. What you wrote is bad, not only for a normal relationship between people, but also for health, from so many negative emotions, you can even reach a heart attack. But, all this is not the topic, they are discussing the car and it’s better to talk about the car and not fill out the page with non-relevant messages.

[LEKHA]

haha saakashvili clearly told everyone what he thinks about us, and the Georgian people chose him as president. didgori - a machine designed to kill us
from this point of view it is necessary to consider it.

[figwam]

Four-wheeled carts are not suitable for our country, they are stuck like the Germans in '41.

[figwam]

http://www.kaput.ru/files/gallery/257817478465471da45756.jpg

[figwam]

[figwam]

[mitrich]

And what will Mr. 111 write to Mr. Goldpirat? Or does he have a selective approach to politeness and tolerance in the Internet? Or do we just don’t like Mitrich?

[figwam]

[figwam]

In Russia, they have been doing this for a long time for fun!

[fantast]

5 balls!

[mitrich]

Figwam
I applaud you. This is really the BEST comment on the topic!

[figwam]

Georgian motorized parts (joke)

[Max79]

figwam, Bravo! A joke successful

[David]

da bratji kak vidno vi vabhe daloki ot istini esli intiresno jto praizvodit atstalaia sakartvelo to zaxodite na etot sait ................ http: //tam.ge / ...... ........... kstati te samaloti katorie bombili gruziu proizvodilis v gruzii ...... kstati ruski narod ojen najitan bil a jto has svami proizohlo jto vi tolko karlikov sluhaite i vso

[David]

da bratji kak vidno vi vabhe daloki ot istini esli intiresno jto praizvodit atstalaia sakartvelo to zaxodite na etot sait ................ http: //tam.ge / ...... ........... kstati te samaloti katorie bombili gruziu proizvodilis v gruzii ...... kstati ruski narod ojen najitan bil a jto has svami proizohlo jto vi tolko karlikov sluhaite i vso

[Anatoly]

Wah! you look how Georgians became indignant! straight for the living hurt them this photo! apparently declassified their secret development.

[clean]

You know, no matter how anyone laughs at the new Georgian technology, but I am ready to pay tribute to the leadership of Georgia. Although I relate to Saakashvili without obvious sympathy. Of course, these armored vehicles cannot be called the high-tech equipment of the ground forces, but for a destroyed Georgian industry this small step is possible to raise and further develop it. All the more so since some developed technologies are still thrown to them by developed Western countries, because they didn’t suck the concept of this armored car out of hand, and all the more so, like a twin brother, it was similar to the Turkish armored car used by Georgian troops in the aggression against South Ossetia in 2008. And the release of this equipment does not tell me anything, at which plant it was made, at what equipment it is important, there is a product and you can fight on this product.

[dvid89]

tut uvas informacia xren .. ano ne pravilnoe davaite ia vas asveshu .. The smaller armored vehicle "Didgori-2" can transport 7 soldiers, while the larger "Didgori-1" has a compartment for additional accommodation of two more equipped troops. The Didgori-2 is equipped with a 12.7mm NSV heavy machine gun, while the Didgori-1 has a 134mm M7.62D machine gun supplied by Dillon Aerospace. Both machine guns are partially protected and manually operated. "Didgori" has a weight of 7 tons and is built on the chassis of the Ford-F series tractors. The twin turbodiesel engine has a power of 450 hp. The car can reach speeds of 10-120 km / h and has a range of up to 500 km with one refueling. The Didgori's armor is thinner than the NATO level 2 STANAG 4569, which provides protection against 7,62 mm bullets. Bullets of this caliber are used, in particular, in the Russian large-caliber PKM machine guns and SVD sniper rifles. The machine has a faceted body for increased ballistic protection. Mine protection "Didgori" corresponds to the level 2b STANAG 4569, which provides survivability of the crew in an explosion up to 6 kg TNT. "As for the armor protection of the lower part of the vehicle, it is a 3-layer sandwich system. The middle layer provides protection from the blast wave, while the other two layers protect the crew from shrapnel," said a spokesman for the Ministry of Defense. The armored vehicles have front and rear view thermal imaging cameras supplied by Flir Systems. Information from the cameras is displayed on three displays, two for the driver and commander, and one for the infantry. The armored vehicle is equipped with three doors: one in the back and two on the sides. Side doors "Didgori-1" have large bulletproof glass. i ano prevasxodit kobru

[David]

clean,
vaidi na etot sait ..... www.tam.ge ...............

[Escander]

Don't do it.
We can learn to work.
And then slack at Scoop - caps, women, Lada ...
Pobratratche.

[Vladimir]

This is not the issue of Didgori. This Ford Bronco with armor plates hung on it is a symbol. A symbol of the fact that Georgia is already torn away from its traditional cultural and mental area and is drawn into the games of adults and big uncles. Never a "kid" drawn into such games did not end well. First, this kid is encouraged with meager sums for the elite and then, in debt ... Then - cuffs, and at the very end it becomes a bargaining chip. As a result of some chaydzh, everything returns to normal, but during this time period, the baby loses a lot. In this case, the well-being of all the people. Here is where a comrade proudly declared that "Georgia is with America." No, dear. This is not at all true. They tell you this illusion, create an appearance by hanging posters on the streets and naming the streets in honor of their presidents and late ambassadors-neocons.When the standard of living drops, when only memories and tears remain from the former prosperous republic, then what difference does it make to you with whom you are, where you and when? It remains only to remember where.
"Georgia with America" ​​is just as long as Azerbaijan is hesitating. You have nothing to do with it. If it were not for the territory of Georgia as a transit for the Baku-Ceyhan oil pipeline, then these same Americans would not remember you more often than Mongolia or Laos. Saakashvili understands this, therefore he is ready to create with Aliyev even a confederation, providing Kakheti with a large share of Azerbaijanis, a cultural autonomy. But Aliyev is not ready for such a scenario. They asked him politely not to get involved in this adventure.
So the point is not in this car and not even in the Iroquois.

[Goldpirate]

Here you are all kind of kicking Georgia together, who is rude and who is in a milder form, you just need to understand that Georgia alone can not do anything. It used to be here, the USSR drove everything here with cars, well, yes, the resort, fruits, consumer goods, everything was free in the shops, from and to. Cars could be bought without a queue, and bam, then everyone forgot how to work, thieves, speculators, traders and the type of thieves with an empty but very hyped ego ........ and this degrades the whole culture and perceptions of the Georgian nation as a whole from its neighbors who were Georgians before and how everyone behaved remember who remembers the times of the USSR and remember how Georgians were when this G. Amsakhurdia came with a gang of Mkhedrionists. Before kicking others, you first need to understand everything for yourself and not be hysterical just because they said on TV that the Georgians are enemies, fascists and stuff like that .................

Georgia right now alone will not survive, Russia does not want to help Georgia, does not want and does not, so what's the point of reproaching ????????????

[PSih2097]

Georgia will not survive alone, Russia does not want to help Georgia, does not want and cannot, so what's the point of reproaching ????????????

So Georgia itself chose this path, no one has thrown it by the scruff of the USSR.

[Goldpirate]

If Georgia remained a part of the USSR, so to speak, then now it would be another parasite for Russia, but do you need it? you have enough of them .........

[Commander 2008]

it’s not a will, but the current government, and specifically your fascist president

[longbergi]

ne nado umnichat, vam russkim eto ne idet)) zanimaites azami xranenia luka v chulkax iv kolgotkax. vot vsia rossia))))

[Anatoly]

Judging by the content of the text, a fourth-grade student wrote with a humanitarian bias.
Sit down, Vano - five!

[Goshan]

All of Georgia is churchkhela strung on an American pipeline!

[PSih2097]

It looks like "Shot", well, there is nothing sacred ...

[Escander]

Goldpirate

Freeloader - freeloader. And the enemy is the enemy.
It is necessary to differentiate concepts.
In Chechnya, they fought against gangs.
But in Georgia - with the regular troops of the Georgian army - do you feel the difference?
Georgia is alone, while Ssakashvili is at the helm, which you have been made to understand more than once. Russia will not tolerate such a neighbor on its Caucasian border (it’s already restless). Is it really incomprehensible?
Georgia is an ancient Orthodox country with a rich history and culture. Where did it all go? Lay under the eccentric leader of the "revolution (type) of roses"?
Did you study history?
Well?

[Commander 2008]

fully support

[mishan]

mitrich
Look at the situation in Georgia with the dispersal of the apposition! The cops do not hesitate to beat their own people, as well as their military in 2008. In Georgia, "siloviks" are in high esteem, high salaries, prestige, good working conditions (see what new barracks have been otbabahali, uniforms, medicines, to hell with him, that all because of the hill, but still), full of social services. package, plus people are brainwashed, and for non-observance of the order they will immediately be cleaned out of the ranks. And look at the reaction of ordinary people (not apposition) to the actions of the police, they themselves are in shock !! And did the Georgians really partisan in 2008, captured the pilots who ejected on Georgian territory? I have not heard this ... All this is government, but if you impose an idea for a long time, sooner or later you begin to believe in it, so far the majority of Georgians do not consider us enemies, but for now ...

[Nodars]

eskander .. nu to nachudil zdes ..
netu granic russkoi licemerii i zlobi :)

etomi ne poterpim takova otnashenia k nam ot rosii.
ne mi vrivalis dibil u vas v starnu.
i mne naplivat chto tebe tam po teleku dokazivaiut kremliovskie shakali
200 let rossia tolko i tvorila zlo dlia gruzii.
a teper.vobshe axueli .. sperbvo voorujili separatistov a potom kakbudta pod priglod zashiti svaix grajdan vorvalis zdes u ans. kakova xuia bvi imeite pravo razdavt pasporta separatistam a potom zashishat ix suki
i kogda speak o provoslavie ..sam pochitai istoriu dibil.
ni rossia li unichtojila avtokefaliu gruzinskoi cerkvi v 19 veku ?? ograbila cekvi .. i .. ubivali vsx kto soprativlialsia etomu.
tak chto votkni vjopu svaiu drobanuiu propagandu.

[Gecko]

What was given and taken away. Georgia still owed much to the Russian Empire. And say thank you for not taking everything.

[Winchester]

You’d better keep silent there in Russia; about the dispersal of the opposition — you wouldn’t be dishonored)

[Anatoly]

Oh, someone, but not you Bandera talk about shame!

[mitrich]

MISHANA,
Do you believe in the Georgian opposition, in Nino Burjanadze and Irakli Okruashvili? Hypocrites are worse than their president. Do you think if the opposition had won last week, and their leaders "on the wings of love" would immediately fly to Moscow to make friends with us again? No matter how it is. Their common master is Washington. I will even write to you this "sedition": Saakashvili is BETTER for the Georgians themselves than the "opposition", with him there is more order.
The Georgian "people" have always been a special ethnos on the territory of the USSR and in particular in the Caucasus, all thanks to their extremely nationalistically educated and, I would even say fascist, intelligentsia, from which Gamsakhurdia was a native and Saakashvili is. You can love or not love Georgians, this is your right, but I remember everything, starting in April 1989. And one more thing: no social package and repression by the authorities would have forced me to shoot in the back, say, Ukrainian servicemen, if I had not defended myself, and attacked. If they did this for the sake of a salary and the opportunity to stay in the army, it means criminals. In short, I do not see Russians and Georgians as part of a single state - neither in the near future, nor in the distant one.

[Goldpirate]

Well, yes, Georgians are nationalists, they made me laugh too, you can write this if you forget how Jewish cemeteries and synagogues are being destroyed and desecrated by fascist symbols when people are deported from the nat. the sign, when skinheads are running around the streets with the permission of the authorities and killing visitors, but you can continue almost endlessly, the mere fact that your future generation has beaten and thrown a peasant into eternal flame suggests that this future generation does not have everything at home .... ................

[mishan]

mitrich
And yet they are criminals, and not "ordinary Georgians" as you said earlier. I don’t think ordinary people would pick up a machine gun. No questions, I understand you.

[SOLDIERru]

What upsets me is that there is a lot of politics in the comments. Georgia is undoubtedly an opponent of the Russian Federation. And the hostile attitude of the Russians towards the citizens of Georgia is understandable and is only a response to the abhorrent behavior of the latter (comrades of the Georgians, but on what you expected to be the first to start killing Russians).

But my opinion is that those who communicate on this site should be more interested in the technical part of the issue, rather than the political component.

And on the account of the fact that “Didgori” does not hold a 12.7 mm cartridge, so “Vodnik” with “Tiger” is not much better in this regard. And in general, given that this cartridge was originally developed as armor-piercing, it is difficult to expect light class armored vehicles to resist it. The thing is different. Just even according to the data that is. It can be seen that “Didgori” is a pure homemade dog.

But I repeat BRDM-2 plugs in a belt as a "Tiger" and "Vodnik". But “Didgori” is not suitable for the BRDM-2.

[Joker]

I want to clarify which BRDM-2 is meant?

Original or after upgrade?

+ can swim, a tower with a 12,7 mm machine gun.
but if we are talking about the original - the possibility of dismounting, even if there are 3 people of landing, is doubtful, then you need to ride on the armor.

If about the modernized, then some options provide for the elimination of sliding rollers side hatches. I think if you want, you can put the module there and put it on the BTR-80A, with a cannon, with a machine gun, put it on the BTR-80B.

Speaking of the Tiger, a new body was developed for it with a protection level of class 6 (or 6+), so given the engine in front of the crew (with a detonation caused by mines, a big plus) and the ability to quickly dismount the crew, the car is good.

IMHO: cars of different classes, for various tasks.

[Goldpirate]

Sorry, I can’t understand what kind of murder of Russians you are talking about. And the second, why did you get that Didgori does not hold 12,7 mm?

[Gecko]

Shelling of Russian peacekeepers is no longer considered a murder?

[longbergi]

mirotvorcami schitautsa te kto mir delaut a ne zanimautsa tam kontrabandoi i torgovlei oruzhia i narkotikov. banditov nado mochit uzh izvinite nas.

[GTI]

Where did you get this information? What kind of nonsense, do you even read what you write? Or so you think when you write?

[Commander 2008]

the murders of Russian citizens and peacekeepers appear, are they not war crimes?

[cVM]

vyb still M113 called

[MichaelVl]

It seems to be the Tigers-BTRs-BRDMy - they are all of a different class of machine, as many here say. Did you watch the report? I don’t know the Georgian language, perhaps just a few words, but in the report they show this very Didgori next to the armored personnel carrier. As I understand it, the Georgians themselves are comparing this car with an APC.

[SOLDIERru]

I spoke out a little incorrectly, comparing modern models of light armored vehicles specifically with the BRDM-2, and not with the armored vehicles already in service with the general one. I just don’t see the fundamental advantages of new products of the military industry over what is. And in fitness for large-scale hostilities, even inferior. Than in a hurry to accept damp new samples, it is much more useful to repair and tidy up what is.
For example, I don’t understand why reinforce anti-tank weapons in an armored personnel carrier. Infantry has its own standard means of fighting tanks. A APC, should only deliver personnel to the forefront.
Of course, all of the above does not mean that it is not necessary to develop new equipment. Just a newly adopted technique should be fundamentally better than what it is.

[Gorec]

what for nervous people here if someone did not understand then this machine is not designed to break through the front

and what concerns armor then BTR80 with armor-piercing bullets 7.62 it is free to break through without talking about RPG

so don’t strain, the time will come to bury all Russian soldiers in Georgia

[nmd_1]

Yes, you had a chance, the current is that your fighters, like your prezik, broke out in a panic from one noise, they were fighting with neither women nor the elderly.

[David]

da bratji kak vidno vi vabhe daloki ot istini esli intiresno jto praizvodit atstalaia sakartvelo to zaxodite na etot sait ................ http: //tam.ge / ...... ........... kstati te samaloti katorie bombili gruziu proizvodilis v gruzii ...... kstati ruski narod ojen najitan bil a jto has svami proizohlo jto vi tolko karlikov sluhaite i vso

[gadagtyanit]

oeeeeee .... !!! davai vse zamalchite iob vashu mat !!! davno ne traxal vashix mam !! zaibali ujee !! svio vremia gruzia gruzia, iesli ktonibut interesuitsa gruzii idite sasite kak vashi mami iesli vi vragi! a iesli vi lubite drujbu i mira priejaite v gruziu i uznaite kto zdes i kakoi narod jiviot zdes !! vi mudaki i chlenasosi iob vashu mat s vashim putinam i medvedavam !!! vi praid chlenagalovix iob vashix jivix i miortvix !!!! tttfuuuuuuuiiii .. mogityanit yvelaferii !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Winchester]

Konstantin Sivkov is burning)
If he had even rummaged a bit on the Internet, he would have found out that there is a 450 hp turbodiesel on the Didgori (as for me, the power is excessive for 7 tons), not 150 hp.
And where did they find such an "expert"?)

[tsu78]

Goldpirat that holds 12,7 pierces 20mm armor with 500m in didgori 7-8mm does it withstand armor-piercing bullet from akm

[Denis]

everything can be
But did you often see the "Colchis" driving, the same wonderful KAZ?

[k2v2137975]

Gorec "... the time will come to bury all Russian soldiers in Georgia ..."
And you apparently forgot, bitch, how did your prez tie chew with fear in front of everyone? When he realized that no one from the Western coalition supported him in this military adventure.
Goldpirat - and you that were silent when you were reminded of the execution grew. peacekeepers? ...

[Dmitry.V]

In which case, Georgia will spend all the money for the whole existence only on cartridges for minigun, unless of course their big peacekeeping brother will support the candy wrappers)

[Commander 2008]

Apparently Georgians want to be cool and decided to show off. Like we are so cool that we can make our own technique, apparently they got it again. It’s a pity that we didn’t reach Tbilisi in August and stop this bacchanalia.

[barakuda]

Georgian people don’t like to brag, and those military models that we released in all respects bypassed the racist equipment and this is a fact

[Goshan]

If you dig a qvevri out of the ground and put it on wheels, it will not be worse than a Didgori tin can!

[Burj_Arab]

Vsem priveti s solnichnogo safari.
Dlia menia ochin interesnaia mashina. xotia mne ne poniat adno....

pochemu vse tak sporites s gruzinskoi straani.
ved Georgia malenkaia country. "shame for RUSSIA shame,

Russia have half of earth and she cannot manage the country properly so I thing it's better tu think about own territories and people than to bother such small countries as Georgia. so.....,,,

you guys you better think about the real things and stop fuching your salf to finde way to push for pain ok?

by the way Russian millitary is no longar as wel it was in 60 ies... sooooo,,,, you can not even compare with ass with Arabic militerry and finaly not Georgian not Russian wepon acsept the nowadaies tecnologies :)

[Burj_Arab]

by the way Russian millitary is no longar as wel it was in 60 ies... sooooo,,,, you can not even compare with ass with Arabic militerry and finaly not Georgian not Russian wepon acsept the nowadaies tecnologies

[barakuda]

joke as much as you like, but the whole world knows that Russia is in a state of war only with such small countries as, for example, Georgia and what about our military technology?